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Speaker 2: Episode fourty four with Marcus King. I'm a fan mostly

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Speaker 2: popped up on my algorithm on TikTok, and I knew

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Speaker 2: But like, man, the guy just plays and it's got

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Speaker 2: He's got an album called Mood Swings. It came out

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Speaker 2: in April. He did a song with Brooks and Dunna

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Speaker 2: on Reboot two Rock My World Little Country Girls opening

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Speaker 2: for Stapleton at twenty twenty five. And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: say this because I think Stapleton's greatest, but Stapleton is

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Speaker 2: stremely secure to put Marcus King in front of him,

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Speaker 2: because that would be like a dude. It was like

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Speaker 2: when Zach Brown was playing in front of Chesney and

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Speaker 2: I was like, there's no way I put Zach Brown

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Speaker 2: Like Stapleton is the greatest, and that's how secure he

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Speaker 2: is because Marcus King is like that dude. So I

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Speaker 2: mean not country, but like he grew up in the country.

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Speaker 2: How would you what he's like soul blues count.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Americano makes you feel like it's acoustic, but man, he

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Speaker 2: goes hard. Born in Greenville, South Carolina, musical family. His

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Speaker 2: dad Devin blues guitarist and songwriter, his grandpa he talks about.

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Speaker 2: I watch him on TikTok all the time, playing a

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Speaker 2: bunch of tour dates. So go check out an intimate

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Speaker 2: acoustic evening featuring it's Marcus King, also Drew Smithers. So

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Speaker 2: he's playing acoustic, he's playing with Stapleton, He's all of

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Speaker 2: it is up. Go follow on Instagram at real Marcus King.

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Speaker 2: And I will say this, I did not know Marcus

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Speaker 2: in anyway, and this is one of those that I

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Speaker 2: how this would go, just because in country music there's

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Speaker 2: I get to be on this podcast which does really well,

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Speaker 2: and they're talking to me, and I've been around long

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Speaker 2: of cool. But he's so removed and I didn't know

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Speaker 2: if he was like super cool guy. But I feel

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Speaker 2: like in a boxing match, it takes the first couple

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Speaker 2: you figured it out and you go Yeah, by the

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Speaker 2: end of this, you guys, dude, we were like best

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Speaker 2: friends forever. No microphones around would have been the same thing,

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Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, love him. Marcus King enjoyed the interview.

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Speaker 2: Go search him Up'll put all the stuff in the

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Speaker 2: notes that we just mentioned, and if you do like it,

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Speaker 2: please let me know. That's it. Here we go, Marcus,

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Speaker 2: good to see you, man, Thanks for coming over.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: So how long have you lived in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: I've been here since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: So what are we in twenty twenty four? Oh so

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Speaker 2: it's like home ish now to me, like five years

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Speaker 1: Yeah, five years just long enough to see something you

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Speaker 1: like and then it inevitably get torn down bench. Once

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Speaker 2: How often are you in town though, because I would

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Speaker 2: Our country artists Friday Saturday. Do you you're out longer

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Speaker 1: Yeah? We we we kind of do the rock and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my treat to myself, is you know, I

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Speaker 1: get on eBay. I don't. I wouldn't say I have

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Speaker 1: So I get on eBay and I go to all

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Speaker 2: that's cool. I buy a bunch of baseball cards off eBay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's a pretty natural thing.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about an old instrument I was watching.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably been a couple of weeks. And

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Speaker 2: forget me for not knowing the exact name, but you

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Texas can Bowl Freddy King.

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Speaker 2: Okay, pardon my ignorance on this, but what I remember

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think you know, to your point that

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Speaker 1: Well, it kind of depends on the collector. And if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my favorite guitar things that I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: And when he tunes his he restrings his guitar as

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Speaker 1: is actually going pretty good. Everything's like false to shit,

433
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, don't don't have that pride

434
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: and don't have that, you know, humorous about yourself or whatever.

435
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, that's a good example what

436
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Speaker 1: you did. And it happens to me a lot is

437
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: like you kind of fight or flight, and you got

438
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Speaker 1: to go into just your natural ability to get out

439
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Speaker 1: of a situation. And I think a lot of us,

440
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's the way we were brought up

441
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, but when you're really good at what you do,

442
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: you can fight your way out of it. Because someone

443
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: inexperienced the pick up falls out, they would have just

444
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: like ah and ran off the stage, you know, or

445
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Speaker 1: like you know, like hold out off the stage, like

446
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Speaker 1: I always you see that that clip from sn L

447
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: years ago, and like I saw somebody talking about that recently.

448
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Speaker 1: She was she was so new in her music were

449
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: and like she just she truly didn't know what to do.

450
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: And it's just God, that clip just makes me feel

451
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: so much empathy and just hurts my spirit to watch,

452
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: because you know, inexperience will really, you know, fuck you up.

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454
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Speaker 2: In a really counterteitive way because I'm listening to what

456
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: you're saying. I think a situation like that when I

457
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: survive it, and then I believe it has to be

458
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 2: the people that I believe telling me it's good, because

459
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: I won't believe just anybody saying something was good, because

460
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: anybody will say anything right. But if it's somebody at trust, like, hey,

461
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: that wow, that was really good, it gives me confidence

462
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: again to know that even in the worst of times,

463
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: my instincts are usually good enough not just to survive,

464
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: but I won't say to thrive, but to actually like

465
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: keep me in the game and keep people satisfied they

466
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 2: came to watch something. So in a weird way, like

467
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: a situation like that makes me feel better about what

468
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: I do and that I've been through it and done

469
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: it wrong so many times and I can get through

470
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: it if everything else goes wrong, which again is just

471
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: a confidence builder in general. Yeah, like I've been through

472
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: the bad to I've been I don't know if you

473
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: ever had this. I've done a show and I'm like,

474
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: this is not going good. I'm thirty eight minutes into it.

475
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: I feel like and I'm like, it's fine these jokes,

476
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: and then I look down. I'm only twelve minutes in

477
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm forty in yeah, and can I

478
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: keep a timer because I need And I'm like, this

479
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 2: show's got to be over and it's like twelve minutes

480
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god.

481
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of that's off the energy of

482
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Speaker 1: the crowd too. I've had that many times where I'm like, well,

483
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: they're hating this so.

484
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: And they're not, and you know it's we're separated from it,

485
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: they're not.

486
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: But yes, absolutely, yeah.

487
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Speaker 2: Do you ever watch faces?

488
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: I try not to sometimes, like because I can't see

489
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Speaker 1: very good at all, and I wear my glasses on stage,

490
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: and it actually it was jarring when I was able

491
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: to see people's faces for the first time, and I

492
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like this, so you'll see me.

493
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: I take my glasses off when I play, because the

494
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: only time I have my glasses on is if I

495
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: have to read lyrics that night, if we're throwing something

496
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: in the set and I don't know the lyrics all

497
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: the way. But seeing faces is God, you see somebody

498
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: yawn or you see somebody just like so miserable, and

499
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: like I actually saw it just the other night, and

500
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: one of my bandmates saw it too, Like it was

501
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: actually the reverse of what usually happens. We saw a

502
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: young lady who was enjoying the show, whose husband or

503
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: boyfriend whatever was not having a good time, and like,

504
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: we do a three song encore, so when we got

505
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: into that third song of the encore, he was like,

506
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, and she was like pomped and like

507
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: slapped him on the arm. And I saw that. I

508
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we did not win him over.

509
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: Today, I've had to do a bit of internal and

510
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: even external therapy with not assigning my emotions with other

511
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: people's perceived emotions. Yep, because I'll see somebody like h

512
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: and then if I happen to see them the men,

513
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: you go like, that's sure, it was great, And I'm like, no, no,

514
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: you look like you were having a miserable time. But

515
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: that's the face I would have had if I was

516
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 2: having a miserable time. But that doesn't mean that's everybody's miserable.

517
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's really important work that you're doing.

518
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: Man, I just turned the lights off. Now it's not

519
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: even working. My work has been just turned every light off,

520
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: and see's not a single face. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,

521
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: do you have that issue where you're like, Okay, that's sad.

522
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Face must be sad. Turns out they probably weren't sad.

523
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I signed that on to people all the time,

524
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: and like, I mean, you know, you go out and

525
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: you meet people like I mean, even like last night recently,

526
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: I met someone an artist who I really respect, an

527
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: it Meyer. I was like, oh, she'd never want to

528
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: talk to me, and I was, and then we ended

529
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: up at the same party and I was like, really

530
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: loving music that you say, really, oh my gosh, thanks

531
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot, and then it was like really kind and

532
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: really sweet. So I try to make the effort to

533
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: go out of my way, out of my comfort zone,

534
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: to you know, tell people. I mean, I've just I've

535
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: met my heroes before and they've been kind of lousy

536
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: to me. But I try not to let that, you know,

537
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: get to me. Now, why do you think why do

538
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: you think that is? Do you think it's specific to

539
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: your industry, like or the art that you create? And

540
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: are is it because your heroes are really old? Like

541
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: that is that part of it? I mean, honestly, is

542
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: that part of it too? Yeah? I mean every time

543
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: I meet a contemporary who's roughly my same age, they're

544
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: always really kind. But there was a time growing up

545
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: where maybe it is because they were really.

546
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: Old, different time then, and also they probably like arthritis

547
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know.

548
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just in a shit mood.

549
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're old. Because I will be too.

550
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: When i'm old, I'll probably be cry.

551
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: I'm a different world back then, too, right, Like you

552
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: didn't have to be nice. Yeah, I mean, no one's

553
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 2: gonna write on TikTok or Twitter or Instagram that they

554
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: met I won't even say. But his name Frank Wilson,

555
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: and he was a real dick. That didn't happen then.

556
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: So they if they weren't, they weren't.

557
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean where.

558
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: Now, if you don't tip somebody, you're gonna get rid,

559
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: You're gonna get railroaded. Yeah, it's gonna be everywhere. So

560
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: you have to be nice.

561
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I just kind of I was

562
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: raised to be that way anyway, which I think is

563
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of nice. Like people have to be nice.

564
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: Now, give me a hero of yours that was cool, a.

565
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: Hero of mine that was cool. I mean there's been

566
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, I'd say Jackson Brown was one

567
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: of the top shelf, just just most humble and just like,

568
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, I met him and he was very kind.

569
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: And then the next time I saw him, I was

570
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: actually in Australia and I knew a lot of his

571
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: band members who were just incredible. I knew like his

572
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: whole band just from like work that I'd done. And

573
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: when he came over to say hello on the side

574
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: of the stage before he went on for his set,

575
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, Marcus Jackson, remember me? And I

576
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I do, I really do. I remember you.

577
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: You're one of my all time heroes. And he's just

578
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: so sweet and so humble, and like when you see

579
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: people like that who, like, you know, even the things

580
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: that people aren't aware that he did is so groundbreaking breaking,

581
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: like you know, producing Warren Zevon and stuff like that,

582
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: and he's he can he can be kind and he

583
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: can be gentle and humble. You know, I think everybody can.

584
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: You know, what about the new age version of that?

585
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: And maybe hero is not the word, but who has

586
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: followed you on social media and you're like that's legit?

587
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, uh let me think I think the post

588
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: Malone followed me, I was like doing something right, that's cool.

589
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: And he wears my wife's hat a lot to a

590
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: little bird trucking hat that she makes, and he just

591
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: we haven't had the opportunity to work together and meet,

592
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: but he just seems like a really genuine cat.

593
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: I always wondered the protocol because I often don't follow

594
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: the correct protocol a bit awkward just in general, Like

595
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm just oh and a couple of days ago, and

596
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the comedian Tom Green

597
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: way back in the day on MTV, like he had

598
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: his groundbreaking what he was doing right his tea talk

599
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: show and he'd have songs my bum is on your Head,

600
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: And so he followed me on Instagram, and I'm like, well,

601
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: now what do I do, Like is the move to

602
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: go follow him back? I don't even know he was

603
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: on Instagram. I don't know he know he was like

604
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: back doing stuff, and so I follow him back and

605
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: then I'm like, do I need to go like to

606
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: second base? And so then I message it, but all

607
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: of us follow me and it might even be an

608
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: accidental follow too. So then I'm like, oh God, and

609
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm like going through all the steps in my head

610
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: like a So I messaged Tom Green and I'm like,

611
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: hey man, big fan I hope you're well, and then

612
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: I just wait. I keep checking to see that scent

613
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: when scent turns to red. And so I'm doing this

614
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: like I'm fifteen trying to ask a girl to go

615
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: on a date. You know I'm doing dude.

616
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: It's so funny you bring that up, because I have

617
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: felt like a fifteen year old girl. It's so many

618
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: recent cases with people who have reached out to me

619
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: on Instagram and I won't say their names or anything,

620
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: but they've reached out to me and they're like, oh man,

621
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: I really love what you do. I'd love to work together.

622
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, all right, yeah, let's get together.

623
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: I'd love to And it's crickets and it's having like

624
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: two or three times, and I'm like, what am I

625
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: doing wrong? And I just I'm being left on red

626
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is how those poor girls must feel.

627
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: And I do the same thing. But it's funny when

628
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: you talk about it. I have all the answers. Just

629
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: like if I were to tell you would have great advice,

630
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: because it's not you. You would say to me something

631
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: like hey Tom, great like a normal dude, like just

632
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: say what up? And maybe you guys will like be

633
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: and so I did. I said what up? And he's like,

634
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm coming to Nashville and so on and so on,

635
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: and he's like, let's get together. And I'm like, just

636
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: freaking crazy.

637
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

638
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: Now, if that were to happen to us on your situation,

639
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: and if you don't ask a question back, because there

640
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: may be wondering like, oh he said this, but does

641
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: he mean it? He didn't ask me a question back.

642
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: He wasn't like what, how, when? Where? So I mean

643
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: they could possibly be feeling the same thing about you,

644
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: you responded, But unless you've given some sort of like

645
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: indicator or an opening of arms to like, hey, let's furt,

646
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: they may be doing the exact same thing.

647
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I take I take cues from people

648
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: like I mean, it's funny, like it actually happened. On

649
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: my way here. I ran into somebody that I knew

650
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, we should get together, and

651
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: they're like, what are you doing tomorrow? I was like,

652
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that. Nothing. Let's get together.

653
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: And wasn't that You're right jarring? But awesome, yes, because

654
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: it actually fell legitimate because everybody does let's get together.

655
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Smoothie one o'clock. What kind of smooth you have there?

656
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: What is it? Wow?

657
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: Because I like all fruit, thank you.

658
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: This one is mostly protein I get so. Yeah, this

659
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: is the liquid lunch, so I do. That's what I

660
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: do for lunch every day, is a protein shot for you.

661
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: I do like candy worms and nerds. If it's not

662
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: that I have nothing to do with it, I needed

663
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: to be full candy. But yeah, when someone does that,

664
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: when someone's hey, if it's like get together, it feels

665
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: very very formula for this town. Yeah, where it's like

666
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: a placeholder just in case.

667
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: We call it church top. Yeah, it's like, oh, we

668
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: gotta get together. We got to have dinner.

669
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes ninety numbers in the time every Sunday, nothing ever happens. Right. However,

670
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: when someone goes, yeah, how about tomorrow Tuesday, you're like, whoa, yeah, okay,

671
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: And even if you can't, you know, they were at

672
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: least serious about it. Yeah, and you go to the

673
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: next thing. That's pretty cool and you want to send tomorrow.

674
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah anyway, Yeah, man, you want to see a movie?

675
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to go up? Okay, look I got

676
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: a couple of things.

677
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

678
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.

679
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: First of all, I was watching you play in Europe.

680
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: Is there a different vibe there?

681
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Yep.

682
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a gratefulness from that play. Just

683
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: watching your show specifically, I feel like there's a different

684
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: energy in those European audiences. Why do I feel that way?

685
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I think there totally is. There's a I think there's

686
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: maybe a deeper appreciation because it's almost like playing Nashville

687
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: really because this being my home market. Like when you

688
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: do play here, people know it's special and they know

689
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: like or like playing at the Bluebird, They're like, I

690
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: mean there's only a limited amount of seats, and like

691
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: in Europe, it's kind of the same thing. They're like,

692
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: it's a long ass fly. You know, you had to

693
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: go through customs to be here, and you had to

694
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of you know, backline gear that

695
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: didn't work, and we appreciate it. So there's a deeper

696
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: appreciation and they're listening more intently. But like we were

697
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, I'm like, they are not having a

698
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: good time, but they really are, and they're very sweet

699
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: after the fact.

700
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a bunch a bunch of like tiktoks

701
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: that you had posted it, and I watch a lot

702
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: of your stuff anyway, I'm like, I'm a legitimate fan,

703
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: and well thanks. When I was watching those European videos,

704
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: not that I didn't see it before, but I just

705
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: never had noticed. It just seemed like a density of

706
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: like love. Yeah, and a lot of my friends that

707
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: will tour Europe the places they play there, But I

708
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: think generally it's more compact there anyway, right are those places,

709
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Are those venues they're a little Are you playing the

710
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: same size venues or are you being introduced there at

711
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: a different stage and level than you are here.

712
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: We felt a shift this time around. We felt like,

713
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, something's caught on over here. We're not sure what,

714
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: but people are showing up and it felt like, you know,

715
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: next time we go, it'll be considerably larger rooms, because

716
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, it is a little bit more compact.

717
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: Everything is. I mean, you know, you'll be hard pressed

718
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: to find a commode that you fit on properly, you know,

719
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: being an American, but you know a lot of these

720
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: venues and it kind of varied from town to town too,

721
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting because we go from like

722
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, in Belgium, we played like this massive place

723
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: and it was beautiful, and then like the next night

724
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: it's like five hundred people and there's no dressing room,

725
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, well we got to break

726
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: this market.

727
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: What was your house like South Carolina? Like, what was it? Well,

728
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't know the physically, what was the house like

729
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: a couple of bedrooms.

730
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I initially grew up in a ranch, three bedroom,

731
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: one bathroom house with a side room where I had

732
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: my drums set and my guitar, and I would just

733
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: spend hours in there, either playing drums. My grandfather taught

734
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: me how to play a train beat, and he'd play

735
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: along with me.

736
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: What's the train beat? Can you oh like it got

737
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: it gotta get out. I hear the train coming. That's

738
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: what I think when you do that. H yeah. Yeah,

739
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: maybe just because we're trains in it and I'm very slow.

740
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, I mean that that's the train be

741
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: that's the quintessential. And he taught me, you know, because

742
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: it's all about the timing and like not letting it drag,

743
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: not letting it rush, just keeping it right there. And

744
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: I started on drums actually, so I just I spent

745
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: a lot of time alone. But it was you know,

746
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: next door was my grandparents house, and I just hang

747
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: out with them while my dad was at work and

748
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: just play guitar all day or drums to sing.

749
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: We'll just call it the blues before your voice hits puberty?

750
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: What do you I don't know, man, And.

751
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: How bluesy can you be with a high pitch voice?

752
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you'd have to ask, Like like Tina Turner,

753
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was the and like Aretha Franklin,

754
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: Like I liked soul singers. I feel like, you know,

755
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: even like bb King after like sixty eight sixty nine

756
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Bibe was putting out like soul records.

757
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: But did it change for at some point where you

758
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: were singing but your voice had hit puberty and then

759
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: after it.

760
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: Was Well, I started singing when I was when I

761
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: was thirteen, So I think that's why I made before

762
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: that naw, Wow, I just played guitar. I was too

763
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: bashful to sing.

764
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, first time singing. Then then why in public?

765
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: Why what got you there?

766
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: Well, you know I had always kind of expressed my

767
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, drama or whatever it was just through the guitar.

768
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: And you know, when I was thirteen the girl I

769
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: had a crush on died in a car accident, and

770
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: it really fucked my head up. And I had I

771
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: had all these abandonment issues anyway, and they all just

772
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of like came to a head, and I was

773
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: really not able to, you know, find a way to

774
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: comfort myself, you know. And we didn't have the distractions

775
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: like we have now, you know, so I wasn't on

776
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: an iPad or anything to like fully escape and immerse

777
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: myself in something else. So that's when I decided to

778
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: start writing and start singing, you know, just so I

779
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: had two more vessels to put my pain through. And

780
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: I think the first time I sang publicly, I sang

781
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: not my Cross to Bearer by the Alman Brothers band.

782
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: Well that's not an easy one. It's not an easy

783
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: so you decided to just go. Yeah, I mean it's

784
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: I'm a little teapot.

785
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: That's how I learned to swim, you know, I'll just

786
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: get thrown into the deep end.

787
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in therapy. I got

788
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: some crazy abandonment issues myself. Dad left when I was

789
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: five or six. Mom died drugs in her forties, and

790
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: so you know, mine are to the point where they're

791
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: built in, like they're cooked in. But I can acknowledge them,

792
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: and I can see them, and I can see it

793
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: affect and I can feel it affected me. But I

794
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: can ignowl it. Right like forever I didn't even know. Yeah,

795
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I was just wanted to be

796
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: by myself or you know, everything told me I loved

797
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: them tomorrow about my wife a few years ago. But

798
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: I was just always like, this is who I am,

799
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: is who I am, this way am But that's that

800
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: was like what mine were rooted in. What was yours

801
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: a parent thing? Was yours a home type thing?

802
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom left when I was very young, and

803
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: that was really hard for me, and that was it's

804
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: still something that I really struggle with.

805
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: You know, is she alive now?

806
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: She's still alive. Her health's not very good, but we

807
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, we've as things up and we're a lot

808
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: closer now.

809
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: You know that you're a better man than I am.

810
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: Like my real dad's still alive. I don't talk to him.

811
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's challenging.

812
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: You know, how old were you?

813
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like five, so like that age is really

814
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: really tough because you know, I'd go to school every day.

815
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: I'd get sent home from kindergarten every day because I'd

816
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: cry so hard that I'd throw up. And this was

817
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: a daily thing because you don't know where her mother's at.

818
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: It's you know, just as a as a mammal, a living,

819
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: breathing mammal, You're just instinctively you're gonna need your mother's

820
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: affection and love and attention. And I didn't have it.

821
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: And I have my grandmother, who was, you know, really

822
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: like my mother.

823
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: My grandma adopted me. We might be the same person. Yeah,

824
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: we're except for that smoothie. That's too much I need again,

825
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: I need lots of sugar. Yeah. Yeah, So your grandma

826
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: was very instrumental and your your upbringing, huh.

827
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: And she was, you know, just a really sassy German

828
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: woman and was very loving, very affectionate, and it almost,

829
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, kind of balanced it out. How affectionate she was,

830
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, made up for the fact that my mother

831
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: had left. But you know, I still I love my

832
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: mother and I try to take care of her the

833
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: best I can. It's funny, like what you said. Like

834
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: my friend Dan Soder is a great comedian and he

835
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: he's another guy who's like, he's very similar to us

836
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: upbringing and everything. He's like, in one of his specialty

837
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: he said, you don't think I'm out here seeking strangers

838
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: approvals every night because things went well in my childhood,

839
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: and that really resonated with me. I'm like, every night,

840
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, please love.

841
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: Me, that dude. That's what I say about why I

842
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: even do what I do. Yeah, it is literally for love.

843
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: If it's on a microphone, if it's on a stage,

844
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: I didn't get it. Therefore I search for it and

845
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: I think, and I still do. I still do every day.

846
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: The weirdest part for me, I think where it would

847
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: punch me in the gut was, let's say I would

848
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: go when I would do a theater and it was

849
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: a good night. I would, you know, do a few

850
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 2: thousand people in the theater. Tickets ain't cheap in the theater,

851
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: so it was a great night. I was on. I'm

852
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: feeling the highest of high and I'm feeling that love right,

853
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: that love. But it's it's so temporary because then you

854
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: go back to your room and you're just buy your

855
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: freaking self. And it is the juxtaposition of like even

856
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: thirty minutes and that's when I started to kind of

857
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: one of the best things was to get because I

858
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: wasn't sad about it. Forever it would just be like, man,

859
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: I guess this was going to be. When I started

860
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: to get sad about it was when I had done

861
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of therapy and I realized, you

862
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 2: know what what's valuable is if I actually do find

863
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: like some real love. I still don't, don't get me wrong,

864
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: I still I go to the stage for love. But

865
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: like meeting my wife.

866
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: That was a.

867
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: I was thirty eight, we've married a few years, maybe

868
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: thirty either night. But again, no one ever said, no

869
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: one used the love word growing up for me, no

870
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: one was around, right, it's just what. It wasn't that

871
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: nobody loved me. It was just you know, other things

872
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: hat like you gotta eat, right, you know, I got

873
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: grandparents raising me.

874
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: It's more important things.

875
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a. But when I met her,

876
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: everything kind of shifted a bit to where I just

877
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: actually wanted to be a more full, like humane being,

878
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: like have human How did how did how does your

879
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: wife affect? Like who you are as a person?

880
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Dude? Same thing she made me want to uh, because

881
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: I always say like, I treated my body like an

882
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: outhouse for a long time. I didn't expect to live

883
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: to thirty. So it's like, why would I worry?

884
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 2: Why would you say that? Though?

885
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you just thought that there was

886
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: just something in me that was like, you know, I'm

887
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: gonna go hard and burn out. I don't know why.

888
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: I felt like that's all I deserved, I guess, And

889
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: in meeting her. I met her the day after I

890
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: quit doing cocaine. And I quit doing cocaine because I

891
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: ran out of cocaine, which I think is an important clarification. Uh,

892
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: it's not like I wouldn't have kept going.

893
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: Did you not have any more money?

894
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: No, I was just out of town and my guy

895
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: was here, so I was like, well, I guess i'll

896
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: just stop.

897
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: So you met her in the middle of between you

898
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: stopping and going back more than after you quit. I

899
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: never went back, right, But she may have been a

900
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: reason that you didn't.

901
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: She was yeah, I'd say that, you know, at the time,

902
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: she was the only reason. And that was the first

903
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: time I had felt incapable of putting on a show

904
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: worthy of my standards because of how I felt, because

905
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: of how I was treating my body. And the second

906
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: show of that tour, she you know, came back and

907
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: I met her, and just in meeting her, I was like, Oh,

908
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: I just want to make this woman proud of me,

909
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, man?

910
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: That is it. We were watching a show the other

911
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: night and I think it's weird for my wife because

912
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you're saying so many things that are like

913
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: needle pokema, because I resonate so hard, and like the

914
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: do you watch the show from have you ever seen from?

915
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: No?

916
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Okay, a whole different topic, but there was one point

917
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: where the wife told the husband in season one, She's like,

918
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you, and I remember thinking like,

919
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: I can be told, I can be given awards, be

920
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: given money, I can be given. But the one thing,

921
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: because she does not throw it around, it's not meaningless

922
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 2: when she says that. When my wife says that, dude,

923
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: that's that's one hundred gold bars, yeah, because she doesn't

924
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: she doesn't throw it around. She doesn't say it if

925
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: she doesn't mean it. But when she means it, she

926
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: really means it. And she's also the hardest person to

927
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 2: impress in the best way.

928
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: Yep.

929
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: So when she says something like that, I think those

930
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: are like the only her words are like the ones

931
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: I value.

932
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds very, very identical, similar to my wife in

933
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: my situation, because I remember that, you know, with her,

934
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: she was the first one to be like what, No,

935
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: don't mine too, because I was like, hop on the

936
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: bus come to DC with us. She was like I

937
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: have a job. No, and she said, no, you're crazy.

938
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: Get your shit together and we'll talk.

939
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Okay, I'm gonna ask a really dumb question,

940
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: and I'm not asking it for any reason other than

941
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely curious. And I only am comfortable enough to

942
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: ask this because now I feel like we're like the same.

943
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: I've never had a drink of alcohol because I've everybody dead,

944
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of addicts. I would love to I'd love

945
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: to drink. I'd love to do all the drugs. Never

946
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: done a drug. It would be awesome. I have such

947
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: anxiety and they don't sleep well, but I would love

948
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 2: to do drugs. It sounds awesome like it does because

949
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: I don't know how to relax. I don't know I

950
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: can't relax based in again, a lot of the stuff

951
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: that's manifested itself over the years, and I am afraid

952
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: to do it because I think I will be addicted

953
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: because my mom died of drug overdose. All family. What

954
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: is cocaine like, I mean, it's pretty great, and that's

955
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: what I hear. Yeah, that's what I hear.

956
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. But it's it's not something that I

957
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: would I have terrible anxiety. It's it's really strange that I,

958
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, enjoyed this drug so much. But I think

959
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: it's because I liked drinking so much, and at a

960
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: certain point you can't. You just can't drink anymore. But

961
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: if you have a performance en answer and you take

962
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: that and you feel great, you're your fork and you

963
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: can keep drinking. I mean, that's that's it for me.

964
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: I don't like viazine in my eyes. I don't think

965
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: I like anything of my nose though. I mean, you

966
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: get used to it, and I'm not. I'm not glorifying

967
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: it at all. I just have I have genuine questions

968
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: because I've never had one drink of alcohol. I would

969
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: love to be drunk. I'd love you drunk right now.

970
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: I'll be awesome.

971
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, like, yeah, like that's just weird.

972
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: Like you get pretty. If I get water on my nose,

973
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: I'm over. Like I'm over it. Like two days to

974
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: bounce back from just getting water on I jump in

975
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: a hold of my nose. I don't like stuff on

976
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: my nose. Uh. When you get anxiety, where do you

977
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: feel it physically?

978
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: I feel it here in my temples and I rub

979
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: my temples. But when I get it, I I just

980
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: started to get inside my head and I get really manic,

981
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I just know I need to

982
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: get out of that situation.

983
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: And I don't know how where did awareness come from?

984
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: Because again you're talking like somebody who's been who has

985
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: learned about himself.

986
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you gotta do that. I mean, the

987
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: awareness came from just a lot of reflection, a lot

988
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: of meditation, a lot of therapy, you know, and also

989
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: just you know, cutting out the drugs that numbed all

990
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: those feelings and those emotions, stopped running from it and

991
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: just accepting it. Also, like you know, if you want

992
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: to do drugs.

993
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: I would I'm not going to do drugs.

994
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: I would say that my producing psilocybin mushrooms I think

995
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: is probably the best.

996
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: How do you microdose a mushroom, take a small into

997
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: your tongue. Yeah, well you can't like inject.

998
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Now, so you so you you grind them up basically,

999
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: and they make capsules and they have some that are

1000
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, legal because they're not psychotropic like lions Maine

1001
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Because mushrooms, you know, really are

1002
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: just like they're very healing. And there's even like the

1003
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: stoned ape theory about like, you know, Neanderthals taking mushrooms

1004
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: and kind of like learning how to evolve as like

1005
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: a like as a civilization and all this. Mushrooms are

1006
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: a very powerful thing. And I actually microdosed for the

1007
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: first time when we were recording a portion of our

1008
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: new record, and it really helped me get out of

1009
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: that anxious hole that I was in because I couldn't

1010
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: reckon it for a minute. And I really attribute a

1011
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: lot of it to that. And it was also a

1012
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: really self reflective time. But you know, you're gonna think

1013
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm crazy. You know where I get that when I

1014
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: get they laughing gas of the dentist.

1015
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the greatest There are two places where

1016
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: I get most creative. In the shower. Yeah, I'm just

1017
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: buttoning acking hot waters on me, and I can't go anywhere.

1018
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: I can't get on my phone. And when I am

1019
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: on laughing gas and crank it up, it's like I'm

1020
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: floating in space. And I remember once going like, you know, man,

1021
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 2: it felt like I was like Bob Marley or something.

1022
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, man, it's just all about love. Everything's

1023
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: about love. I came out of the dentist oh t

1024
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: though it was it's just all about love. It's like,

1025
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: what are you talking about. I was like, I had

1026
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: a vision. Man, I had a vision. But I think

1027
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't get there unless I'm totally relaxed. And I

1028
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: don't relax. I don't really and I and no one

1029
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: people listen to this know me. Which, by the way,

1030
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: I think they should legalize weed. I think there's a

1031
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: lot of natural things that are opening that we run

1032
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: from because of whatever the consequences, what they say the

1033
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 2: consequences are, which the government has created these consequences in

1034
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: many ways sixty seventy years ago. I mean, it's prohibition

1035
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: alcohol but not weed, you know, And there's the whole

1036
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: story of why it was one and not the other.

1037
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: And you know, they wanted the hemp. It's a whole

1038
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 2: thing right, Like everything is selected, and so I think

1039
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: people take it a little weird for me when I'm like,

1040
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: I never touched anything, but I think it should be

1041
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: legal because I think there's a Steve Jobs LSD. Yeah,

1042
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: they talk about that it opened them up in ways

1043
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: that he had never been opened before. I have friends

1044
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: that do that. Do have friends that maybe do is

1045
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: the word ketamine? Yeah, dude, They're like it it opens

1046
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: their mind their creators. They're like, if I do I

1047
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: don't even know how you say I do ketamine. But

1048
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: if they take ketamine that for like three weeks, it's

1049
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: like the walls have been moved back five feet in

1050
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: every part of the room, right.

1051
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: I Mean, my my experience with ketamine was very different

1052
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: because it was it was not under the supervision of

1053
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: a professional, and it because you can get it in

1054
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: a white powder and I thought it was something else,

1055
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: and it took me a whole different direction. I was

1056
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: on a cruise. I was on a jam cruise and

1057
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I was about to go sitting with some friends of

1058
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: mine from New Orleans. It's a band called Naughty Professor

1059
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: and there's some of the most just just impressive musicians

1060
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: that I've ever known. And earlier in that day, we'd

1061
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: gone snorkeling and I just I just raw dogged it,

1062
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: just a mask and swimming trunks, and I was just

1063
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: like drunk on rum and snorkeling with my girlfriend at

1064
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: the time and the bass player from let Us whose

1065
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: name is Jesus, and we were just snorkeling. And then

1066
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: when we finally came up, they were tripping on acid.

1067
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: We realized that we had drifted like a mile from

1068
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: the boat, so we were just in open water and

1069
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: they were still partying. They didn't realize we were missing.

1070
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: And basically, you know, we were treading water and like

1071
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: storm rolled in and then the waves were crashing over

1072
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: us and we were dying and I couldn't tread water anymore.

1073
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: And finally like they swam out and there was like

1074
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: a whole rescue effort. It was a whole thing. So

1075
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: when we came back to shore, needless to say, we

1076
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: were celebrating our survival. So we started, you know, drinking hurricanes.

1077
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: And this was in like the Grand Caymans, Cayman Islands,

1078
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: and we got back on the boat. Anyway, I was

1079
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: supposed to sit in with Naughty Professor, and I'm like well,

1080
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm wasted, and these guys are some of the most

1081
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: impressive musicians I've ever heard in my life. So I

1082
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: don't want to go up there and sound stupid. I

1083
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: better do drugs, right, this is the rationale. So it

1084
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: was like it was literally like cheech and Chong because

1085
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: this guy's like, well, cause who as you go?

1086
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: Here?

1087
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: You go man on a big spoon and it was

1088
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: like I was like more and it was like a

1089
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: small mountain, you know, and I just like toutored it

1090
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: and then my whole face was like burning, and I

1091
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: was like, what did you just give me? And he

1092
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it was just a little too man,

1093
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: just a little blow. I was like, no, it wasn't.

1094
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: And then he was like no it was. And I

1095
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: like grabbed him by the shirt and I was.

1096
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck did you give me, you stupid hippie.

1097
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: And he's like oh no, and he's like, hey, which

1098
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: bag did you give me too?

1099
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, now he's asking that's the guy.

1100
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: Which bag was that that you gave me? He was

1101
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: like the blue one. He was like oh shit. I

1102
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: was like, what was it, motherfucker? And he's like it's

1103
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: kidd of me, and I was like, oh boy, And

1104
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: I was like, as soon as I ask it, I

1105
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: just like like I became part of the boat. Like

1106
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: my feet felt like they were in the boat.

1107
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 2: It was like heavy. Everything felt heavy. Oh yeah, wow, yeah, see,

1108
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, it feels pretty cool.

1109
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds pretty cool.

1110
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 2: That's not pretty good. I mean all the stuff leading

1111
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: up to it sucked every bit of it.

1112
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: It was a bad day. It was a bad time.

1113
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah for me.

1114
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: I mean I really acted out in a big way

1115
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: because I just I just felt like, you know, I

1116
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt like I didn't deserve any

1117
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: better and nobody would really care. So I feel a

1118
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: lot better about it now.

1119
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell. That's why I feel comfortable asking

1120
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: you about it. Yeah. Uh, do you ever feel did

1121
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: you ever feel like once you started to be on

1122
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 2: we'll just call it wellness, do you ever feel like

1123
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: you were going to lose some of your creative edge

1124
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: if you got too right?

1125
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: Hell? Yeah. And I realized only in retrospect I was

1126
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: able to realize I have the clarity to write about

1127
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: those feelings, and a clarity I didn't have in the moment,

1128
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: And I thought I did. But even if I went

1129
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: back and told myself me my time traveled and went

1130
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: back and told myself myself, then I still wouldn't have

1131
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: been able to receive it. You know. It's only something

1132
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: that I could me personally, could have learned with experience.

1133
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I struggle with this. I struggled with going

1134
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: to therapy and like really getting into my brain because

1135
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: I thought, well, I'm so messed up, but that's my

1136
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: superpower and if I lose that, then I will not

1137
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: have a superpower anymore. Scared scared of death of it. Right.

1138
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, it took me doing it to realize maybe

1139
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: being messed up in a way it was holding some

1140
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: of me back that there was some stuff that I

1141
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: could unlock. And then also, it's pretty cool to have

1142
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: empathy because you don't get empathy for free. Yeah, Like

1143
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: you gotta go through crap come out the other side,

1144
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: and empathy is one of the tools that you can't

1145
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: just go by. They have to develop. And I feel

1146
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: like when I can actually use that with somebody I

1147
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: care about, like that's extremely valuable. Like that's what I'm

1148
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: proud of, I think the most. Because I was very

1149
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: worried about it. If I go get right, whatever that means,

1150
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: there's no right. But I say that if I go

1151
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 2: get right, everything I've ever done is because I haven't

1152
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: been right. And I feel like if I were the

1153
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: same thing, if I were like or it's like Kurt Cobain, right,

1154
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: it would use cliches ample like he's created all this

1155
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: on drugs. What what's he gonna do? How's he going

1156
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: to create a not on drugs? You know that, Yeah,

1157
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 2: that would be a concern. But I've found if anybody's

1158
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: listened to this, that it's actually unlocked things that I

1159
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: did not even know were in there. Yeah, and I

1160
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: can still be messed up, Like I still hold on

1161
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: to that if I need it.

1162
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's there's arguments to be made. I think,

1163
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's certain acoustic versions of songs from the

1164
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: nineties after someone's gotten sober that don't really compare to

1165
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: the drug addult versions that they did. Yes, maybe thirty

1166
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: years prior. I would agree, but I don't know. I

1167
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: mean it's hard to say. I mean, a lot of

1168
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: the a lot of the creative, Like in the late sixties,

1169
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: people were designing cars, you know, just on LSD. Like

1170
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: you said, like Steve Jobs.

1171
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: You know, I keep something on my phone and I's

1172
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: got a couple more questions for you, And then I

1173
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming to do this again just because I'm

1174
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: a big fan. This is exciting for me. I get

1175
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: to talk to people all the time, but not really

1176
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: people i'm a fan of, So really, thank you and

1177
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: thanks for being so generous and open and forever. I

1178
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: did not think that I had or could experience anxiety

1179
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: because I never had in the daytime, meaning I would

1180
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: I just go right. And I think a lot of

1181
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: that just me going is in a sense running from

1182
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: everything I did not want to face, but on a

1183
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: daily level, like it was just if I work myself,

1184
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: and first of all, I'm successful, I won't be in

1185
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: poverty anymore. That'd be cool. I want to go back

1186
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: to that. Secondly, if I work really hard and I

1187
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: keep going, people are I'm celebrated for that. Loot me.

1188
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: You're the guy that works hard. And the other one

1189
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: is I have no time to worry or to have

1190
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: any sort of introspective time. I don't have to deal

1191
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: with it. So what happens is now when I go

1192
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: to sleep, I wake up. I sleep like two hours

1193
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: and I wake up not purposefully my neck and my hands.

1194
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: That's where mynxiety comes. Neck in hands. Yeah, I have

1195
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 2: like two hours. I wake up and I'm just like, oh,

1196
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: it's been tough for the last few years. But I

1197
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: have this that I keep it on my phone and

1198
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: it says your anxiety will scale proportionally to your ambition.

1199
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: And the whole point of this is the anxiety sucks.

1200
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: But you know why you have it because you either

1201
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: want to get out of a bad situation to something

1202
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: good or you want to get from a good situation

1203
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: to something great. Like you have huge dreams, and people

1204
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: that don't have huge dreams don't have huge anxiety.

1205
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, man. Yeah, you'll have to send

1206
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: me that so I can hold on to it. I mean,

1207
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: it's it's really crazy. I mean I've only heard a

1208
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: few people speak about it the same way. But like,

1209
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: even before the show, the thing about my anxiety is like,

1210
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: it's such a liar. It takes me and it's like,

1211
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: you're very tired, you probably shouldn't go on.

1212
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: Do you have any the sick one? Does it? Ever?

1213
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: Till you're sick, It's.

1214
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: Like you gotta go to the bathroom. You know you're

1215
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: going to piss yourself right now, you're very sleepy. Drink

1216
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: three red bulls. So I drink three red bulls. I'm like, Okay,

1217
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: I did it, and I'm still very tired. But then

1218
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: I get up there and then after the gig, I'm like,

1219
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: there they are. They hit me, and you know, I

1220
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: don't want to be alone at all. I'm the same

1221
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: way like I usually just I usually try to fall asleep,

1222
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: like while the rest of the band's watching a movie.

1223
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: You know, I don't like to have any time just alone.

1224
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: And like you got to face that. You know, that's

1225
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: crazy to have something going on. Like, you know, I

1226
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: didn't pitch it as an idea, but I even told

1227
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: my bandmates. I was like, you know, I really see

1228
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: how people could get into the group shower thing, you

1229
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because like we're playing these arenas

1230
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: and they got like a like a hockey team, like

1231
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: showers all the way around. I'm like, I really get

1232
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: it because the camaraderie is still carrying over. We're just

1233
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: getting clean. But we're talking about how the gig went.

1234
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, I still want the conversation to

1235
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: be going. I don't want to be alone in the.

1236
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: Two Birds One Stone. You gotta get clean. I'm saying,

1237
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: might as well live and.

1238
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: Maybe I should pitch this yeah, you know as.

1239
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: A web series soon, you know, while you're out, I

1240
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: get the content. One thing I wanted to bring up

1241
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: where your acoustics shows. Yeah, when you talk about, hey,

1242
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: you got to be up on stage, I usually have

1243
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: your guys. This is just you and one dude, So

1244
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 2: I mean this is that you have your instruments, of course,

1245
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: but but you've got to now communicate with the audience.

1246
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: If you're doing an acoustics show, you can't just get

1247
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: up there and jam.

1248
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: I know it's it's scary, but it's really exciting. Man.

1249
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the first time that I can sit

1250
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: and talk about what the songs are about, you know,

1251
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: Like Goodbye Carolina is a good example of a song

1252
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: that I wrote about a friend of mine that committed suicide,

1253
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I felt like it was a letter

1254
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: that he left through me, you know, because he was

1255
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: a songwriter, and a lot of people just think it's

1256
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: about you know, moving from South Carolina, and it's not

1257
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: at all. So it's an opportunity for me to speak

1258
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: with the audience and give a better description of what

1259
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: the songs are about and where I was when I

1260
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: wrote them.

1261
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: It's gonna be self fulfilling. I'm excited about it, Yeah,

1262
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: because they'll be hanging on every single word, I hope

1263
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: as much as they are lyric solo. Yeah, that'd be awesome.

1264
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: And we talked about the tour before you came in.

1265
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: So but uh so two final questions, Brooks and Dunn.

1266
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: You're you did the song with those guys?

1267
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1268
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: Man, love those guys, big friends of both of them,

1269
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: love them. How did that come You did rock my World?

1270
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: I rob my Little country Girl? What happened there? How'd

1271
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: that come together?

1272
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: So? So, that's a Kicks tune and they and they

1273
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: sent it. They asked me Kicks wanted me to do

1274
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: that one, which meant a lot to me that he

1275
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: he specifically requested that I do that song, and you know,

1276
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: I was. I was really excited to bring my band

1277
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: in and do it as a unit. And they were

1278
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: just really so kind and so welcoming.

1279
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: And they give you any like, hey, this is how

1280
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: we want you to do it, or they go like

1281
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: you just do you.

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Speaker 1: They just said go for it. That's awesome, and I

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Speaker 1: felt really empowered by that. I mean, they obviously offered

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Speaker 1: me direction and the producer was really great, but they

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Speaker 1: were like, just go, just just go. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I look back on that now, it's like a time

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Speaker 1: when I was really struggling with my weight, and so

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Speaker 1: I can't even enjoy because we recorded that like a

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Speaker 1: year ago. I can't even enjoy like the promo of

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Speaker 1: it because I'm like, you know, because of my self

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Speaker 1: image issues. But listening to the track is really special

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Speaker 1: for me because I'm really excited with how it turned out.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last thing, the Experience Hendricks show that we were

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Speaker 2: also talking about a little before you got here. So

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of a lot of excellent musicians,

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Speaker 2: a lot of them I've seen too, which is super cool.

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Speaker 2: But how did you get involved in this?

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Speaker 1: Man? My uh my manager who's here pretty hit me

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Speaker 1: up and was like, do you want to entertaining I

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Speaker 1: did doing this Experience Hendrick thing, and I really jumped

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Speaker 1: at the chance because I mean, just like anybody who's

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Speaker 1: a guitar freak or fanatic like myself is, you know,

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Speaker 1: just enamored by Hendrix at an early age, and Hendrix

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Speaker 1: is just one of the all time greats and just

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Speaker 1: to be you know, mentioned alongside him in any ways

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Speaker 1: as an honor. So it also maybe gives me an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to uh have an excuse to buy a new

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Speaker 1: strat or an old strat that's new to me.

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Speaker 2: Do you have anything he ever had?

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Speaker 1: I played a couple of things he had, and that's

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Speaker 1: always really how'd.

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Speaker 2: You do that? Because he played left handed but flipped right?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I've had somebody in Japan brought me

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Speaker 1: one of his strats.

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Speaker 2: How could you do you? Well, they just brought it

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Speaker 2: cause I'm like tande, they strung it normal. Oh they

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Speaker 2: did for me. Well that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Then that's you could have just stopped me like five

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Speaker 2: seconds ago when I'm like bending my arm trying to

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Speaker 2: figure it out. Uh, Marcus, thanks for coming over, man,

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Speaker 2: this is uh man.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's cool that you're cool, and I mean that in

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Speaker 2: the best way, because, like I'm a fan. Sometimes you

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Speaker 2: don't want to meet people you're a fan of because

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Speaker 2: you're you know, like you said, you don't know, but

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Speaker 2: maybe you just have to be nice and I'll accept

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Speaker 2: that too. Yeah yeah uh. You guys follow Marcus Real

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Speaker 2: Marcus King on Instagram, on TikTok at Marcus King. There's

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Speaker 2: so because I follow you on TikTok. There's so much

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Speaker 2: great live footage and your dogs, he's the man. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: your dog. Thanks Marcus.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production