1
00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,520
Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

2
00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:19,239
Speaker 1: I've never told you, protection of iHeart Radio. And welcome

3
00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,640
Speaker 1: to another edition of Female First, which means we are

4
00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,599
Speaker 1: once again joined by the worldly, the well traveled Eves.

5
00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,840
Speaker 1: Welcome e Hi, thank you, Thank you for the introduction,

6
00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,080
Speaker 1: always always, thanks always for being with us as you

7
00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,239
Speaker 1: travel the world. I feel like you could have your

8
00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,200
Speaker 1: own Where in the world is Eaves right now?

9
00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:40,800
Speaker 2: Oh?

10
00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

11
00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,440
Speaker 1: Show? But yeah? What have you been up to since

12
00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,680
Speaker 1: we last spoke, Eve?

13
00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,879
Speaker 4: I have been a couple of places. I have been.

14
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:52,760
Speaker 5: House sitting.

15
00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,240
Speaker 4: I've been in Asheville. I'm currently in Seattle, and I

16
00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:58,320
Speaker 4: have been really chilling.

17
00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,320
Speaker 5: Oh, y'all. I have been sewing.

18
00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,480
Speaker 4: And I don't know if I brought it up to y'all,

19
00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,800
Speaker 4: but I have three sewing machines. So I have one

20
00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,600
Speaker 4: that I got in high school. I have one that

21
00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,640
Speaker 4: was my grandmother's that I don't use, but it's one

22
00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 4: of those old table ones.

23
00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,880
Speaker 5: And it's in the house.

24
00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,680
Speaker 4: And then I have another singer one just because I

25
00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,319
Speaker 4: liked the old wooden singer ones with the iron bases,

26
00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,679
Speaker 4: and so I have one of those two. And when

27
00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,880
Speaker 4: I got that one, I got it from my husband

28
00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,840
Speaker 4: got it from me from an estate sale because I

29
00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,200
Speaker 4: had wanted it. I had seen it previously years before

30
00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,399
Speaker 4: in a good will and just was so sad that

31
00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,320
Speaker 4: I never got it from the good will. I just

32
00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,399
Speaker 4: missed my opportunity to buy it. And that's not a

33
00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,000
Speaker 4: normal thing to find in a good will. And so

34
00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,399
Speaker 4: he got it for me when he saw it in

35
00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,720
Speaker 4: the state sale. And that one actually had a bunch

36
00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,680
Speaker 4: of the owner's old supplies in it, so it already

37
00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,320
Speaker 4: had like chalks, it had bobbins, it had needles, it

38
00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,600
Speaker 4: had just you know, threads. It had some stuff in

39
00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,960
Speaker 4: there too, so I got some different colors of thread

40
00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,040
Speaker 4: from that. But yeah, so anyway, I was like, let

41
00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,359
Speaker 4: me you know, I was making some books will, getting

42
00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,239
Speaker 4: back into book binding as I was before, slash more

43
00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,560
Speaker 4: into it than I was before, because I had always

44
00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,800
Speaker 4: wanted to. And I was like, why not make some

45
00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,280
Speaker 4: like some covers for the books to keep them safe

46
00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,639
Speaker 4: because it's easy for the fabric to get I made

47
00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,520
Speaker 4: one for myself and I put fabric on them. It's

48
00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,160
Speaker 4: easy for it to get a little bit dirtier when

49
00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,000
Speaker 4: you carried it around everywhere with you. That turned into

50
00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,079
Speaker 4: drawstring bags, and so I was like it was one

51
00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,480
Speaker 4: of those things where I started and I couldn't stop.

52
00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,160
Speaker 5: I couldn't do anything else.

53
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,040
Speaker 4: I just became obsessed with it for the period of

54
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,720
Speaker 4: time because I had, like some people I wanted to

55
00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,520
Speaker 4: make them for. So I was just you know, in

56
00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,880
Speaker 4: the grind, nose down, foot on the pedal literally and

57
00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,400
Speaker 4: like just cranking them out. So I actually like I

58
00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,440
Speaker 4: was spending a lot of time doing that when I

59
00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,120
Speaker 4: was in Ashville. And just like when I go places

60
00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,519
Speaker 4: I like to kind of especially if it's a place

61
00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,360
Speaker 4: I've been before and I just like the feel of

62
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,400
Speaker 4: that place. I can be chill like I can just

63
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,760
Speaker 4: I cannot try to go out and do something every

64
00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,840
Speaker 4: single day. And it's nice when like the neighbors are cool,

65
00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,680
Speaker 4: the neighborhood is cool, and I'm hanging out with cats

66
00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,639
Speaker 4: usually so very cool too.

67
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,960
Speaker 2: Man, you just threw me back. Like I remember my

68
00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:36,320
Speaker 2: mom had her grandmother's old sewing machine that was more

69
00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,080
Speaker 2: decoration and it was one of that flipped up with

70
00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,680
Speaker 2: the foot pedal, and I would go pretend I knew

71
00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,520
Speaker 2: what I was doing and act like I was sewing.

72
00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,760
Speaker 2: I do not, and I'm so envious of people making things,

73
00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,040
Speaker 2: Like I really wish I could just crap things and

74
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,320
Speaker 2: make things for people, But I don't have the patience

75
00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,960
Speaker 2: or attention span apparently. But that's amazing. That's a great

76
00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,560
Speaker 2: fine jealous. I'm gonna need a drawstream back soon.

77
00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:01,920
Speaker 5: Okay, I got you.

78
00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440
Speaker 4: Look, I'm as soon as I can sit back down

79
00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,240
Speaker 4: there and get a bunch of them done. Now I

80
00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,040
Speaker 4: know how to do it by heart, Like, hopefully I

81
00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,640
Speaker 4: start getting better at the execution of the craft, because

82
00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,960
Speaker 4: you know, there's some things I'm like, I don't know

83
00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,080
Speaker 4: why the straight line is so hard? Like why is

84
00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,360
Speaker 4: a straight line so hard?

85
00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,640
Speaker 5: So really is a talent.

86
00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,599
Speaker 4: It's a talent, and I realized that I like to

87
00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,080
Speaker 4: be good at things quickly. But it's so it's nice

88
00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,280
Speaker 4: to actually have something to focus on being good at

89
00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,520
Speaker 4: because now I have the motivation.

90
00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,440
Speaker 5: So I've started.

91
00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,000
Speaker 4: I'm not great at it, so I think that's part

92
00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,719
Speaker 4: of the other thing that was pushing me. It's like, Okay,

93
00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,840
Speaker 4: I'm not good at this. I gotta get good at it.

94
00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,599
Speaker 4: But it does still feel very intimidating because that's a

95
00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,760
Speaker 4: whole world and so so so many people have been

96
00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,120
Speaker 4: doing it so long just as part of their own sustenance,

97
00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,000
Speaker 4: like not not even commercially. A lot of people do

98
00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,559
Speaker 4: it commercially, Like I know it's not an uncommon task,

99
00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,760
Speaker 4: but it's also one that or skill, I should say,

100
00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,479
Speaker 4: But it's also one that has so much context, like

101
00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,640
Speaker 4: there are so many stitches, there are so many fabrics,

102
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000
Speaker 4: what weight of thread and what needle?

103
00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,880
Speaker 5: This machine does this? This does this? So yeah, it can.

104
00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,120
Speaker 4: It can be intimidating, but I think it's like a

105
00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,640
Speaker 4: worthwhile It's a worthwhile hobby for me, and that's what

106
00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,800
Speaker 4: it is right now. It's not anything but a hobby.

107
00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,039
Speaker 4: And I really like making making gifts for people, Like

108
00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,440
Speaker 4: I've stopped giving gifts in the last like three years.

109
00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,719
Speaker 4: I don't really give gifts for like occasions anymore, but

110
00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,159
Speaker 4: I like giving gifts just because so especially himmade ones.

111
00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,880
Speaker 5: I love that. And it is true, like.

112
00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,080
Speaker 1: That kind of entry level can be tough because people

113
00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,680
Speaker 1: use terminology that if they've been in the realm for

114
00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,000
Speaker 1: a while, they don't realize the newcomer might be like,

115
00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean by any of this,

116
00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,240
Speaker 1: but it is it's really rewarding to make your own things.

117
00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,000
Speaker 1: See it come to fruition. I would love to just

118
00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,640
Speaker 1: look at what you've created. I'm so excited by this.

119
00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,160
Speaker 1: Oh oh, do you want to see it?

120
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,800
Speaker 4: I know the people listening won't be able to see it,

121
00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,440
Speaker 4: but I can describe it if y'all want to see

122
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:12,880
Speaker 4: it right now.

123
00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I had two different covers.

124
00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:22,479
Speaker 4: So the backstory on these is I made them orange

125
00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,920
Speaker 4: because a couple of these were the bags these were going.

126
00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,760
Speaker 5: To like some monks and.

127
00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,120
Speaker 4: Some of the people that are part of the organization

128
00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,600
Speaker 4: that I go to. So that's why they're orange.

129
00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 5: It's like saffron is the color of robes. It's like

130
00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,160
Speaker 5: the monk color. And this is one of the cover.

131
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,000
Speaker 4: The this is to Tangey fabric from I got this

132
00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,919
Speaker 4: from Zambia. The fabric, so I had a bunch a

133
00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:56,520
Speaker 4: boatload of fabric that I hadn't used because I wanted

134
00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,520
Speaker 4: somebody to make clothing with it. But the price is

135
00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,760
Speaker 4: here for clothing, just like the tailoring prices. Finding somebody

136
00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,240
Speaker 4: to do it, like I would go to places that

137
00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,640
Speaker 4: sell things with the fabric, but they'll be like, no,

138
00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800
Speaker 4: we don't tailor, we don't tailor things from scratch. And

139
00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,000
Speaker 4: then I know that the price for a custom outfit

140
00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,400
Speaker 4: here would be like outrageous as compared to it would

141
00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,160
Speaker 4: be if I were like on the continent of Africa.

142
00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,920
Speaker 4: So I just I'm like, I'm just gonna wait, and

143
00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,200
Speaker 4: in the meantime, the ones that I'm the fabrics that

144
00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720
Speaker 4: I'm down for making book covers with, I'll just do

145
00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,400
Speaker 4: that instead. So I'll probably make try to figure out

146
00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:38,120
Speaker 4: what else I can make with the fabrics. Yeah, And

147
00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,080
Speaker 4: so it's orange and blue on the cover. It's got

148
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,400
Speaker 4: like kind of like a snaking pattern and some chevron ing.

149
00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,600
Speaker 4: It's like black orange and blue. And then the end

150
00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,440
Speaker 4: papers inside of the book are like orange.

151
00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,440
Speaker 5: I don't know how to explain it.

152
00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,200
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the water it's UNSETI water colory situation.

153
00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,000
Speaker 4: And it's a coptic stitch bind so you can see

154
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,520
Speaker 4: the exposed signatures of the book on the side of

155
00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,400
Speaker 4: the book and some three stitches with orange thread going

156
00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,320
Speaker 4: down the side. And then the bags have just like

157
00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:20,720
Speaker 4: a little cloths or cotton drawstring on it. And there's

158
00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640
Speaker 4: like a leaf stitching because the my machine has a

159
00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,280
Speaker 4: decorative leaf.

160
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,440
Speaker 5: Stitch on it. So I decided to do that for it.

161
00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,720
Speaker 5: Thank you great job. Yeah, that's awesome.

162
00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,760
Speaker 2: I want one.

163
00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:41,320
Speaker 5: That's like it's fine. Order where do I go? Make place?

164
00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:41,800
Speaker 2: Order?

165
00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:42,120
Speaker 5: Please?

166
00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,760
Speaker 1: This is I mean when it's funny, because when Samantha

167
00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,160
Speaker 1: got into punch needling, it was almost the opposite.

168
00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,559
Speaker 5: It was like, you're taking this.

169
00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I was forcing people to take coasters, which I

170
00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,960
Speaker 2: still have a thing for Annie that I haven't completely

171
00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,720
Speaker 2: finished because I don't like hot glue guns.

172
00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,959
Speaker 5: Oh but I gotta fig at it because they're so dangerous.

173
00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,320
Speaker 2: Well like yes, and also I'm just I feel like

174
00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,680
Speaker 2: I'm a toddler when it comes to craft. So it's

175
00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,240
Speaker 2: gonna have like glue everywhere, or it's gonna be puffy,

176
00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,319
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be very upset when it's puffy instead

177
00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,840
Speaker 2: of looking like the picture. It's kind of like how

178
00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,880
Speaker 2: you're talking about you. I do not I'm not good

179
00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,040
Speaker 2: at not being good at it immediately. And if I'm

180
00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,600
Speaker 2: not immediately good at it, I pretty much quit when

181
00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,080
Speaker 2: it comes to stuff like that about myself.

182
00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,920
Speaker 5: But the steaks are lower though that's the thing.

183
00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,679
Speaker 2: It should be, But in my head I fell that.

184
00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,920
Speaker 2: I quit. Yeah, good attitude, I know, No.

185
00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,520
Speaker 5: I get it. I really do well.

186
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,240
Speaker 1: I would say the person we're talking about today did

187
00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,120
Speaker 1: not really get it. And this is another story where

188
00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe I've never heard of this.

189
00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited, this is I'm just really angry. I'm it's

190
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,880
Speaker 1: never been on my radar before. So who are we

191
00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,880
Speaker 1: talking about today? Today we'll be talking about Nanna ya

192
00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,600
Speaker 1: as Santois. So I'm doing my best to pronounce.

193
00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,720
Speaker 4: I am really excited to talk about her though, because

194
00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,679
Speaker 4: she is a big figure in Ashanti in Ghanaian history,

195
00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,760
Speaker 4: because she was the first and only woman to be

196
00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,000
Speaker 4: a war leader in Ashanti history. So her story is

197
00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,520
Speaker 4: really fascinating, and this is one of the cases where

198
00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,400
Speaker 4: her legacy.

199
00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,199
Speaker 5: Has been celebrated.

200
00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,600
Speaker 4: You know, after everything that she accomplished, after her life story,

201
00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,280
Speaker 4: she is still being talked about and considered as a hero.

202
00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,680
Speaker 4: So I am you know, we're talking about her today,

203
00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,120
Speaker 4: but I'm looking forward to learning more about her too,

204
00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,240
Speaker 4: because you know, her history is very rich, but it's

205
00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,520
Speaker 4: also really tied into the history of imperialism, the history

206
00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:05,680
Speaker 4: of colonialism, the history of the Ashanti people, the history

207
00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,319
Speaker 4: of Ghana. I mean, there's a lot of political history here,

208
00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,440
Speaker 4: in social history, cultural history that is a part of

209
00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,760
Speaker 4: the story that we're not going to fully be able

210
00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,880
Speaker 4: to talk about today that I would like to delve

211
00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,800
Speaker 4: deeper into as well. So yeah, that's who we're talking

212
00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:39,240
Speaker 4: about today. Shall we get started, Yes, So a lot

213
00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,560
Speaker 4: of the life of y'ah ascentois has been passed down

214
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,720
Speaker 4: through oral history. She was born in Bessiase near Eduiso,

215
00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,800
Speaker 4: which is near Kumasi, which is what's in now southwest Ghana.

216
00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,520
Speaker 4: So it's not clear exactly when she was born, but

217
00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,480
Speaker 4: there are estimates that she would have been born around

218
00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,600
Speaker 4: eighteen thirty and it is known that she lives to

219
00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,439
Speaker 4: an older age because of records of how old she

220
00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,120
Speaker 4: was at specific periods of time or how old she

221
00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,160
Speaker 4: appeared to be at specific periods of time, like, for instance,

222
00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,240
Speaker 4: according to a census in say Sales, which is where

223
00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,000
Speaker 4: she ends up later in nineteen twelve, since it's there

224
00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,760
Speaker 4: in nineteen twelve, she was estimated to be about eighty

225
00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,079
Speaker 4: years old at the time, so from that we can

226
00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,679
Speaker 4: kind of estimate how old or when she was born.

227
00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,520
Speaker 5: So her mother was part of.

228
00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,839
Speaker 4: The Asona matrilineal royal clan of that Westo state, and

229
00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,559
Speaker 4: she had one sibling who was a brother. She also

230
00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,080
Speaker 4: grew up in Bessisa, so she stayed there for a

231
00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,720
Speaker 4: while and she and her brother worked the land near

232
00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,240
Speaker 4: their home. And she was married and she and her

233
00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:02,560
Speaker 4: husband had one child. And at some point yah Centoi

234
00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:08,040
Speaker 4: moved and she continued to maintain and extend her farms.

235
00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,840
Speaker 4: Her brother became ed Wesso haney Our ruler of Edwssu

236
00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,600
Speaker 4: under the stole name of Afran and Panin. And when

237
00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,480
Speaker 4: her brother was king of Edusso, he appointed her queen

238
00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,720
Speaker 4: mother of Edusso of the Ashanti Empire. Her brother, though,

239
00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,760
Speaker 4: died in eighteen ninety four and she used her right

240
00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,880
Speaker 4: as queen mother to nominate her grandson as ruler of

241
00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:39,319
Speaker 4: Utwssu So. A little bit on that history of the area,

242
00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,559
Speaker 4: which is that the Gold Coast which is in present

243
00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,559
Speaker 4: day Ghana. It became a British Crown colony in the

244
00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,800
Speaker 4: early eighteen hundreds. The Ashanti people controlled much of present

245
00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,920
Speaker 4: day Ghana and Kumasi was the Shanti capital. So throughout

246
00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,160
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds, the Shanti people they fought wars against

247
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,679
Speaker 4: British colonization as the British attempted to expand their territory

248
00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,960
Speaker 4: as they do just come to a place and say

249
00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,360
Speaker 4: this is mine and more of this will be mine.

250
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,800
Speaker 5: So not a new story.

251
00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,160
Speaker 4: That was the case in this area, and the Ashanti

252
00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,920
Speaker 4: people were not having it. They were like of course

253
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,040
Speaker 4: there were people who were more accepting of it, but

254
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,920
Speaker 4: there was a lot of resistance effort to British rule.

255
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,600
Speaker 4: And in eighteen ninety three, the Colonial Secretary and acting

256
00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,840
Speaker 4: Governor of the Gold Coast Colony, whose name was Frederick Hodgson,

257
00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,080
Speaker 4: he invited the Ashanti people to become a British protectorate.

258
00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,680
Speaker 4: But Nana Prempa, the first who was the Sante Henay

259
00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:51,760
Speaker 4: or the ruler, rejected this offer. And in eighteen ninety six,

260
00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,440
Speaker 4: Sarah William Maxwell, who was Governor of the Gold Coast,

261
00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,640
Speaker 4: went to Camasi and had the Santa Henay his mother

262
00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,720
Speaker 4: and other rulers and advisors arrested. They were shipped off

263
00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,480
Speaker 4: to other places. So they were sent to Almina, Freetown

264
00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,080
Speaker 4: and they went to say sales and yeah Assantoi's grandson

265
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,720
Speaker 4: Frane was arrested and exiled along with Nana Prempe and

266
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,680
Speaker 4: yeah A. Santois then became the queen mother of the state.

267
00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,080
Speaker 4: She had rule over the area after he was exiled,

268
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:34,040
Speaker 4: so the Ashanti Kingdom was then declared a protectorate. Kumasi

269
00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,480
Speaker 4: had to be administered by a representative of the Gold

270
00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,520
Speaker 4: Coast Governor and supported by a committee of local chiefs.

271
00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,560
Speaker 4: And of course the British continued to put forth measures

272
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,480
Speaker 4: where they exerted their will and their force to establish dominance.

273
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,840
Speaker 4: So they did things like instituted ways to collect money,

274
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,840
Speaker 4: making people labor for public works, which apparently was not

275
00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,000
Speaker 4: like that's not they weren't into that. So even if

276
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,040
Speaker 4: they were at you know, a higher level of rule,

277
00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:16,520
Speaker 4: but also everyday people didn't want that for themselves, and

278
00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:22,320
Speaker 4: so the British also wanted possession of the Golden stool,

279
00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,680
Speaker 4: so you'll also see this war called the War of

280
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,000
Speaker 4: the Golden Stool. The golden stool is very important in

281
00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,880
Speaker 4: a Shanti and for the Ashanti people. It's believed to

282
00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,760
Speaker 4: be a really sacred symbol of the Shanti people. It

283
00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,200
Speaker 4: holds their souls, it unifies them, it brings them together,

284
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:48,080
Speaker 4: it gives them prosperity and strength, so it's it's really important.

285
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,800
Speaker 5: It's guarded, it's held close.

286
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,239
Speaker 4: The British thought though of course without regard to to

287
00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,120
Speaker 4: to to cultural history and to status quo of the

288
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,119
Speaker 4: people that they claimed were inferior and that they came

289
00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,280
Speaker 4: to rule over. They were just like, I think we'll

290
00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,399
Speaker 4: take control of this. You know, this will be great

291
00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,240
Speaker 4: if we capture this golden stool. We take this golden stool.

292
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:14,520
Speaker 5: It'll be.

293
00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,720
Speaker 4: Symbolic of how much dominion that we have over you. Also,

294
00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,800
Speaker 4: it would have the effect of perhaps destroying a shanty

295
00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:30,879
Speaker 4: morale in unity and so. On March twenty eighth, nineteen hundred,

296
00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,680
Speaker 4: the Gold Coast Governor Frederick Hodgson addressed Ashanti rulers and

297
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,760
Speaker 4: he told them that they had to surrender, among other

298
00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 4: things in the address, but he told them that they

299
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 4: had to surrender the golden stool to British authorities. Yeah,

300
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,320
Speaker 4: A Centois was at the meeting. She was like, how

301
00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 4: how y'all just going to sit here and listen to

302
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,560
Speaker 4: these ridiculous demands like this is not okay. So that

303
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,920
Speaker 4: evening the chiefs had a meeting in Kumasi Yah. Centoine

304
00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,399
Speaker 4: was there and they discussed how to fight the British

305
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,800
Speaker 4: and how to bring back the sante Hena or the

306
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,480
Speaker 4: king who had been exiled and it was clear that

307
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 4: the Ashanti were being demanded, they were being forced to

308
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,160
Speaker 4: give up their institutions and their rule and bout down

309
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,119
Speaker 4: to the British. But they were resolved not to submit

310
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,239
Speaker 4: to British rule. And so at the meeting, y'ah as

311
00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,199
Speaker 4: Santoine was like taking a back that some of the

312
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,359
Speaker 4: chiefs and so there's not I'll say that there's not

313
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,320
Speaker 4: perfect record. There's not like play by play, line by

314
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,360
Speaker 4: line record of what happened in this meeting. So there's

315
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,600
Speaker 4: there's not an official record of what happened in the meeting,

316
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,879
Speaker 4: but there are some people who have recounted what happened

317
00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 4: in the meeting. But yeah, Santoine was taken aback by

318
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 4: the fact that some of the chiefs wanted to ask

319
00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,359
Speaker 4: the British to restore the king, like just ask them.

320
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 4: She said, quote, is it true that the bravery of

321
00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,399
Speaker 4: the Ashanti is no more? I cannot believe it. It

322
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,800
Speaker 4: cannot be. I must say this, If you, the men

323
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,159
Speaker 4: of Ashanti will not go forward, then we will we

324
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 4: the women will. I shall call upon my fellow women.

325
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 4: We will fight the white men. We will fight until

326
00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,880
Speaker 4: the last of us falls in the battlefields. So undoubted

327
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:32,159
Speaker 4: that's probably a paraphrasing of what she said during that time,

328
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 4: but that is what is recorded as what she said

329
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 4: now the very least is the sentiment of how she

330
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 4: felt at the time. So it's unclear to what extent

331
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 4: her her sentiments and how she vocalized them really how

332
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 4: much that was a factor in how that pushed people

333
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 4: to move forward and their resistance effort. But it seems

334
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 4: like it did encourage people to push forward in their

335
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 4: resistance effort in addition to people his own feelings about

336
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,440
Speaker 4: resistance and how they would move forward with it, and

337
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 4: also other leaders sway. So they ended up choosing her

338
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 4: to leave the resistance though, and she did accept the role.

339
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 4: So there is a two thousand and seven essay by

340
00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 4: TC McCaskey and the author says this. In the essay,

341
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 4: the author says, quote, Yeah, a Centois military involvement was

342
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 4: inspired in part by patriotism or a comprehensible xenophobia and

343
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 4: her embittered family feeling. Nevertheless, the reason she took such

344
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 4: a prominent role against the British was that she did

345
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 4: indeed desire the return of Agamin Primpa, which was the

346
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 4: king who had been exiled.

347
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 5: That's the end of the quote.

348
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 4: By the way, so yes, I was trying to understand

349
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 4: the context of why they chose her in that moment,

350
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 4: which seemed its his historians and scholars who have commented

351
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 4: on why she was chosen. It wasn't if she was first,

352
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 4: but it wasn't fully uncommon for women to have positions

353
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 4: of power. It wasn't fully it wasn't completely rare. It

354
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 4: wasn't like it was non existent that women had a

355
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 4: say in certain things and had rule in certain ways,

356
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 4: but this was a role that had never been inhabited

357
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 4: by anybody before yeah Centoi. So there's there that is

358
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 4: a little bit of insight into why she might have

359
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 4: chosen to be the war leader. It also could have

360
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 4: been that choosing a high figure from Kumbasi, where the

361
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 4: British colonial administration was would have been risky, but clearly

362
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 4: Nanaya Ascentoi had proven that she would be a highly

363
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 4: capable leader and so thus begins the Yahs and TWA War.

364
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: She would have been around her fifties or sixties when

365
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 4: she led the Yeahs and TWI War, which lasted from

366
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 4: around March until September nineteen hundred. As I've seen it

367
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 4: put in essays. It was like it was like it

368
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: was like a back of the force position. She wasn't

369
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 4: on the front lines per se as the war leader

370
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 4: that she was.

371
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 5: The role was.

372
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 4: Actually to plan strategy, to strategize, to come up with

373
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 4: tactics for war, to mobilize the forces, to gather the

374
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 4: materials for it, to declare agreements like the truces, and to.

375
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 5: Negotiate for peace.

376
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 4: So over the course of her time and the position,

377
00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 4: her support from the Ashanti grew. The resistance late siege

378
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 4: to Afford at Kamasi that the British were posted up in.

379
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 4: But after a couple of months the British did't to

380
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 4: force them to shut down the uprising and the British

381
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: did end up capturing Kamasi and eventually the Shanti territories

382
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 4: became a British Crown colony. But the Ashanti did what

383
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 4: they set forth in doing. Their mission was to protect

384
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: the Golden Stool, and they did They did do that.

385
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: So it became known as the Yasinwa War because the

386
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: Queen Mother was the leader of the effort to fight

387
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 4: the British rule of the Ashanti Kingdom. But it's also

388
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: been called the War of the the Golden Stool, also

389
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 4: seen it referred to as like Ashanti Uprising or things

390
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 4: like that, noting the significance of their their resistance. Basically

391
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: first so Yeah, in nineteen oh one, yahs and TWA

392
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 4: and the other chiefs were arrested and they were sent

393
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 4: into exile in Sechel for twenty five years. So the

394
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 4: Shanti territories became British Crown colonies and Ya Centoi ended

395
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: up dying in seychell in October of nineteen twenty one.

396
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 4: A few years after that, King Prempe the First was

397
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 4: repatriated back to Kumasi and in nineteen twenty eight he

398
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 4: was able to negotiate for the remains of all the

399
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 4: people who had died in exile to be exhumed and

400
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: returned back to Ghana, so that included ya Centoi. In

401
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 4: nineteen thirty her remains made it back to Kamasi. She

402
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: was buried in her royal lineages cemetery in Eduso and

403
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 4: it wasn't until nineteen fifty seven, which would have been

404
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: over the last thirty five years after Yasintwa died, that

405
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 4: Ghana gained its independence, and it was at that point

406
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 4: when the former Ashanti and Gold Coast colonies became part

407
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: of the newly independent Ghana, and there was a museum

408
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: that was dedicated in her name that had a lot

409
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 4: in two thousand that had a lot of her belongings

410
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 4: in it. A fire did destroy it and then there

411
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 4: was later an effort to bring that museum back. There

412
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 4: have also been documentaries about her, and she has been

413
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: honored and is still honored and celebrated as a hero

414
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 4: and warrior queen. That's the story of Yasinta.

415
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, this whole story, I'm so angry that

416
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard it before. That's really really interesting and

417
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: I do wish we had more more information and maybe

418
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: it's out there, but like more of the first hand accounts,

419
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: because I'm just so intrigued by her and her personality

420
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: and to be like, what what are we talking about here?

421
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: That's not what we're going to do. I'm just so

422
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm so interested in her and how she became this

423
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: leader or was this leader but got people to be like, yes,

424
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: you so it's always Eves. Thanks for bringing these stories

425
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: to us.

426
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 5: You're welcome.

427
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I uh too, was like I really I feel

428
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 4: like I should know a lot more about her and

429
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: about her story, and I should have known it for

430
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 4: a while, so it's nice to be able to share it.

431
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: And also it's like, I'm always interested in what where

432
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: a person derives their courage from.

433
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 5: Because.

434
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: There are so many instances when we're talking about these

435
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 4: women in history when they are singular and they're pioneering.

436
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: So I would imagine that it takes a lot of

437
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: a lot of guts and a lot of skill to

438
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: be able to take on these roles and be so

439
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: forward about it and be so outspoken. So yeah, but

440
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: in Ghana, there are still plenty of people who know

441
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: way more about her story than I do, and people

442
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: who are in her lineage who can speak speak to that.

443
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 4: But I think there is always something missing when there

444
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: isn't first hand accounts to help us be able to

445
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 4: characterize a person in their own words. So there's always

446
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: something missing there, And I always to part of y'all

447
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: know that part of something I love about out hearing

448
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 4: people talk about themselves in their own words is all

449
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 4: the last they have themselves, Because I'm just always interested

450
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: in people creating their own mythology. So yeah, it would

451
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 4: have been cool to have more of that from Yasini,

452
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: but fortunately there are there are many many people who

453
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: are preserving her legacy there today, and descendants and people

454
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: in her lineage who are there to tell her story.

455
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 4: And then because they do so, I'm able to talk

456
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: about it today.

457
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and we always appreciate the people doing that work.

458
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: And I do also love the lies people tell about themselves,

459
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: like presumably sometimes you would think no one even is

460
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: ever going to read this, but still this is the

461
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: story I'm crafted through. Yeah, it's great. I actually run

462
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: into this a lot over on the Food podcast. I

463
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: do savor where and like, I feel this company should

464
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: have a more concrete answer to when did they start?

465
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: But it's like it told was an idea the fifteen hundreds,

466
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: Like no, when was it? But it's in their interest

467
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: to kind of tell this, like yeah, this story. So

468
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I find that interesting too.

469
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 5: I wonder do you.

470
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: You probably run into a lot of the origin stories

471
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: for names as well, so not just like company when

472
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: a company was created, but like how did their name

473
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: come up?

474
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: And it is kind of weird.

475
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: I see stories about people being like I think it

476
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: came from this, or it might have come from this.

477
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: It's like how did somebody not know where the name

478
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 4: came from? That seems like a big part of the

479
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 4: founding of a company. Oh yeah, half the.

480
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: Time we were like, nobody knows. Here's a fun story

481
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: people like to tell, but nobody knows. Yeah, but you

482
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: would think somebody somewhere would, but they often don't. And

483
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's interesting to hear the stories people or

484
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: companies tell. Yeah themselves for sure.

485
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: Why I'm an advocate for everybody listening telling their own

486
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: stories in some way and like memorializing them, documenting them

487
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 4: because I know that you know, sometimes it can seem

488
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: kind of self indulgent for us to tell our own

489
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: stories in a way where we're like or self aggrandizing,

490
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: like where it feels like, oh, we're talking about us,

491
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: I'm talking about myself. Why would anybody want to read

492
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: my story? But it's like you have no idea, like

493
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: or maybe you do, but most people that I know

494
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 4: don't know when they're going to die, so there's not

495
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: really a point in waiting. And especially our memory feels

496
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 4: us and it changes as we age. So you know,

497
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: the story that you tell about yourself in your twenties,

498
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: when you're seventy would be different than the story you

499
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: tell about yourself when you're in your thirties about your twenties.

500
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

501
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, tell your story now tell it now, lie

502
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: about yourself, lie about it.

503
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 5: I love it yourself up now. I keep it every

504
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 5: time I travel.

505
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: I like, every day I write a journal entry and

506
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, you know, years later, looking back,

507
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I did, because I'll forget something and

508
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: then i'll read it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I do remember,

509
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: yeah this thing. So you know, I guess in that way,

510
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: you can lie to yourself even in the future, but

511
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: you should also be truthful if you would like.

512
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like these options. You can lie about yourself,

513
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: you can be truthful, just just just write it.

514
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.

515
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: And I feel like she specifically was a woman of action,

516
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: so she was probably like, nag, I get this done.

517
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 2: I don't have time for this, which is sad for

518
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: us because we want more. But she was so larger

519
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: than life on her own actions that it's kind of like, yeah,

520
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: I got as she told them, Oh fine, I'll do it.

521
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: You don't have the courage. I got this mm hm,

522
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: which I'll want.

523
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're named after.

524
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, yeah, yeah, well, thank us always, Eves

525
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: for joining us, for bringing this story.

526
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Where can the good listeners find you?

527
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 4: Y'all can head to my website first, so that's Eve's

528
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: Jeffcote dot com. My name is spelled y V E

529
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: S j E F F c O A T dot com. Uh.

530
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 4: For those of y'all who already know how to spell

531
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: my name, you're probably sick of me here is spelled

532
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 4: sick of sharing me. Spell that every single time, but

533
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: just in case for those of y'all because my name

534
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: is kind of spelled differently, you can also go to

535
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: my Instagram at not Apologizing. You can go to many

536
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: other episodes here Sminty a female first talking about women

537
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: in history who were pioneers, their achievements, their accomplishments in

538
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 4: their life stories and you. On my website, you can

539
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 4: sign up for my newsletter as well if you're interested

540
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 4: in getting updates and being on the email list.

541
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you've always has so much going on, so

542
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: go check it out, listeners. If you haven't already, and

543
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: if you would like to conduct us, you can you

544
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: can email us at Hello at stuff Onnever Told You

545
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: dot com. You can pride us on Blue Sky. I'm

546
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: also a podcast or on Instagram and TikTok at Stuff

547
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: I Never Told You for us on YouTube and we

548
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: get the book you can get wherever you get your books.

549
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Constenior executive prescer

550
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: My and your contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks to

551
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: you for listening. Stuff I Never Told You is production

552
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: by Heart Radio. For more podcasts or my Heart Radio,

553
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: you can check out the art Radio app Apple Podcast

554
00:33:49,960 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to favorite shows