WEBVTT - It Was a Kayak: John Darwin aka Canoe Man 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:02.760 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.160 Zaren. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.040 Oh Hey, hey, sorry, I was just napping on my bike. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:08.840 That's not a bike, that's the intern. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.920 Oh, Mickey, Hey, what's up? Mickey's kind of cool, it's. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.600 So warm, temporary intern. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.400 Yeah, Mickey rud dude, Yeah, I like it. Yeah, your buddy, huh. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.439 I borrowed a dog for the week, and I'm feeling 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:22.080 good about it. 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:22.400 Nice. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:23.639 You know, I missed my dog. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:25.320 Emotional support, a. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.560 Little dog sitting, and I just I have to have 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:28.600 them with me all the time. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:29.720 I get it. I totally get it. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:30.480 Those are the rules. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.239 Yeah, mama, Mama makes rules. Why do you have all 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:33.839 the geese? 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:34.680 Do mask? 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:35.200 Okay? 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.199 I saw it on the back and I was like, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.360 those are Elizabeths, totally mine. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:41.280 Do you know what's articulars? 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.639 Oh my god? Yes. Do you ever heard of people say, oh, 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.120 you only use ten percent of your brain? Yeah, right, totally. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.960 That's total nonsense, right right, so I figure you know that. Yeah, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.080 there's another one. W people say like, oh, you're ninety 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.080 percent bacteria. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.960 I've never heard that. I've heard like your ninety percent 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:57.240 water or something. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.520 Roughly seventies in the high sixties, yes, but uh, sometimes people. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.600 Say ninety percent bacteria. Yeah, that's also wrong, I would say, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:06.720 so who says that. 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.600 It was a common science pop side thing? Right? So 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.080 apparently if you count up all the bacterial cells, there's 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.680 been a recent rather scientific and I will say just scientific. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:18.959 I'm putting the rather on there because I'm sure it'll 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.880 be wrong later. Yeah, but you know, anyway, fifty six percent, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.480 that's the new estimate. You, Elizabeth, are fifty six percent bacteria? 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:33.040 Oh, me Zarin, fifty six percent bacteria, Dave forty six. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.360 No, he's fifty seven. He's got an extra one for. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:36.520 Fifty eighty six. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.199 Now, by by by weight, you know, like not by volume, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.280 but by weight, you would be ninety nine point seven 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:49.120 percent human cells and only zero point three percent bacterial 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.120 cells by weight, So they're not taking up a lot 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.160 of your your you know, sense of who you are, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.480 got it? That makes still fifty six percent. 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.840 That's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, that is ridiculous. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.560 How's your moonwalking pneumonia doing? You're ready to rock this one? 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.120 Oh buddy, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. But you know, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.600 we'll see, we'll see how it plays out. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.360 Well, that's all I got for you, so we hit it. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.040 Well, you know what else is ridiculous? What canoeing into 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:39.359 the great beyond? But not really who This is ridiculous 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:44.000 crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's heis and cons. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.080 It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.440 percent ridiculous. 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:49.640 Oh, I know you don't heard that. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.799 You know. The Darwin Awards. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.800 Yeah, being dumb, Well, it's like nominating. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.920 Charles Darwin and it's a riff on survival of the fittest. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:02:58.120 Yea. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.560 So the project says, quote in the spirit of Charles Darwin, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:06.080 the Darwin Awards commemorate individuals who protect our gene pool 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.680 by making the ultimate sacrifice of their own lives. Darwin 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:14.200 Award winners eliminate themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner, thereby 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.440 improving our species chances of long term survival. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.640 Yeah, you know, like the MacArthur Genius Awards and they 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.560 give you like a a million dollars, a half million 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.480 dollars or whatever it is. I've actually been given three 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:25.760 Darwin Awards and you. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.519 Get you can't because you have to die to get them. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.840 You don't know about my pastors. You we have to 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.520 die for a little while. I see you can come back. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.560 Darwin. Ords are like dumb ways to die basically, and 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:39.760 there are some parameters. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.440 I've done some dumb stuff. You were like, you didn't 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.480 die well. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:48.120 Accidental self sterilization also qualifies for an award, so exactly 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.480 why Yeah, but it's actually you know, it's usually awarded posthumously. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.960 The candidate is just qualified. Though if quote innocent bystanders 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.960 are killed the process the spifuse, they could have like 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.000 helped the geneop who have been some of. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.640 The winners, who have been some of the winners. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.920 Thank you for asking. Gary Hoy, who fell from the 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.200 twenty fourth story of the Toronto Dominion Center while trying 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.080 to demonstrate to a group of students that the windows 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:14.800 were unbreakable. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.720 All the one throws himself against the glass and then 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.560 the glass goes out, and everyone's like, well, I guess 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:19.000 he was the wrong. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.600 Yeah, John teacher, dude, Like, imagine your teacher throw against 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.400 the How traumatic I shouldn't last. John alan Chow, who 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.360 on his own behalf tried to convert an isolated indigenous 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.279 group in on the North Sentinel Island to Christianity and 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:36.760 then they killed him recently, like the. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.520 Last few years. He went out there and everyone's like, 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.279 don't go out there, and he's like, I'm going with Jesus. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.360 They're like, it are coming back. 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:41.640 Yeah. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.960 It's dark stuff, dark stuff. But what would happen if 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.159 a guy whose last name was Darwin did something to 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.600 earn himself a spot. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:51.599 Oh double Darwin, double Darwin. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.719 John Darwin is the guy's name. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:54.080 Nice. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.359 He got in a kayak and he paddled out into 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:02.480 the ocean, only to never return. It's not a foolish 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:03.600 way to go. It's tragic. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:03.920 Yeah. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.039 But here's the thing I want to play off a 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.479 quote from the great Eli Cash from one of my 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.920 favorite films, The Royal Tenebouce. All right, well everyone knows 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.320 John Darwin died off the waters of County Durham in England. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:25.919 What this podcast presupposes is maybe he didn't. Wild Sarah, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.640 we got ourselves a good old fashioned faked death. 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:30.880 Oh my goodness, Yeah. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.240 So John Darwin. John Darwin is a boomer born around 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:39.200 nineteen fifty. He studied biology and chemistry in school, and 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.760 in nineteen seventy three he married a woman named Anne Stevenson. Anne. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.200 He was a science and math teacher for eighteen years, 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.760 and then he worked at a bank, and then he 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.479 became a prison officer, a CEO at I guess it's 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.040 his majesty's not her majesty's now, but at the time 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.200 it was her majesty's prison home house. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:03.360 That's a strange paths ole teacher, banker, ceo. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.159 Yeah, exactly. His wife was a receptionist at a doctor's office. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.520 Those two had another side hustle. They rented out rooms 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.040 or bedsits to people. And they had twelve houses at 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.200 one point, and so they'd rent these rooms out to people. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.160 One of the houses was even attached to the one 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:21.800 that they lived in. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.920 So basically they were running a little Airbnb. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.039 Empire completely, but like more long. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.719 Term Yeah, sure, I mean more dignified. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.919 In two thousand, they bought two houses in Seaton Carew. Okay, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.040 and that's where the trouble started. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.080 In relation to Rod Carrow. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.040 Yes, it's the town. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.160 Is his father, I mean, maybe pronounced that wrong. It's 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.040 Rod Carew Carew, Seaton Carew. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.599 On lots of debt, debt, debt, debt, debt, I don't 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.520 want debt. Yeah, the couple they overextended themselves. They couldn't 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.560 keep up. They were about to start bankruptcy proceedings and 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.359 there didn't seem to be a solution. And then John 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.280 John Darwin he had ideas. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.040 She's like, what if there was one less John Darwy. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.080 Thursday March twenty first, two thousand and two, he figured 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.360 that was the perfect day to disappear. Okay, Yeah, So 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.160 four times during the day he calls his wife Anne 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.160 at work, and you know, she's at a receptionist job, 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.320 and one of the calls he tells her this is 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.960 it pick me up later. And so he's at work too, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:24.560 at the prison. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.240 So he's like whispering, he's calling a prison line. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.559 Yeah. So when he gets off his shift, he goes 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:36.080 home to Seaton Carew Seaton Carew seatan honestly, I don't 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.160 even know. So at about four point thirty in the afternoon, 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.200 he goes to a storage shed and he gets out 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.240 his red kayak called the Orca. And please note that 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.600 this is a kayak, not a canoe. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:48.760 Yes and closed top. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.240 Yeah, So he takes the Orca and he heads down 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.840 to the beach in front of the house. Six o'clock 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.680 at this point, and it's dark and she was now 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.760 home from work. She meets up with him as a 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.040 race near this beach, Northgere. It's a long sandy beach. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:08.000 There's like low sand dunes and beach grass and it's 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.480 at the mouth of the River Tees where it meets 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:18.880 the North Sea. So it's popular with bird watchers and 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.520 like the marsh land behind the beach just comes alive 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.480 with wild flowers in June and July. Yeah, it's lovely 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.440 and so it's understandable that someone would want to kayak 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.199 out in the little mini bay off your beach at night. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:35.559 Let's see a photographer going for moonshots. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.280 Who knows so Anne, she rolls up to the beach 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.520 and her bitch in Scota. She got a little scuz 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.880 skit John. He's standing there in jeans, a black jacket 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.840 and a black hat and he's got on a backpack 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.559 full of supplies. He turns away from Anne and gives 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.120 his empty kayak a little push out into the sea 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.240 and then they hop in the car and drive forty 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.400 minutes away to the Durham railway station. It's way out town, 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.880 away from many more convenience stations. He needs to get 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.560 out of the area, so he tells, Anne, when you 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.000 get home, call the prison and ask to speak to me, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.600 just like she normally would. And that's what she did. 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.600 Like they she calls up, they say you know what 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.680 he left already. She's like oh, So she calls the 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.160 cops and she reports him missing. When everyone discovered that 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.640 the kayak or later as the press is going to 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.080 keep referring to it as a canoe, but friend, it 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.160 was a kayak. I have seen the picture. That is 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:38.920 not a canoe. Whatever. I am very upset. They look 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.360 and they see the kayak with a canoe is missing kayak. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:42.760 I'm with you. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.560 I'm going to say canoe because that's where it goes from. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:50.199 It is fun canoe can ayak. So they find out 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.880 it's missing from the shed. So the rescue crews from 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.080 the police, the coast guard, they head out to the beach. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:00.520 They put on their red shorts. They start running John John, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.120 They're yelling. They go up and down the coastline and 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.640 they're out in boats. They find a single paddle on 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:11.079 the beach, but nothing else, and then the search gets 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.199 called off the next night, so they searched all through 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:14.880 the night the next day. Then they're like you know 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.160 what where was John? Where is mister d Thank you 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:21.480 for asking. He was hiding out in the lake district. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.600 Oh, it's a beautiful place to hide out. 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.600 Beautiful and knew where he was. He called her on 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.760 the regular to get updates. Are they still looking for me? 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.160 And then what. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.880 Are the locals saying about all this? She's like, well, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.600 I was still at the tea shop, and so she's 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.319 telling him, you know how people are all reacting about this. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.160 Then the two of them, they think the coast is clear. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.280 So she goes to Koumbria to pick him up. And 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.160 it had only been about two weeks, that's how long 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.000 he stays a way. And apparently this man's beard game 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.800 was strong, because he comes out sporting a full beard 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:01.120 that apparently he didn't have when he left town. Weeks. Yeah, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.440 and he's wearing totally different clothes and he's doing this 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.600 whole like I'm an old man who limps and uses 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:16.640 a cane. Like, sure, let's say he was disguise. Yeah, choices. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.480 So a quick trip down the motorway John's home. A 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.719 couple of weeks later, his canoe kayak, all bashed up, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.439 washes up on a nearby beach. Oh no, And and 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.080 she's playing the distraught wife and she's like, well, my 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.520 husband's remains ever be recovered? And they're like you don't 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.880 think maybe? Okay, you jumped there. Okay, Remember how I 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.000 told you that one of the homes that the couple 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.439 rented out his bedsits was attached to their home. They 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.520 were at number three the cliff And the cliff is 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.400 the name of the street. Oh yeah, wow, number three, 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:52.319 the cliff. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:54.880 So, and that's your address, Like you get your mail 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:56.119 at number three, number. 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:56.640 Three, the Cliff. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:57.200 So. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.280 And she's in the family home at number three, and 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.480 so is John. He'sn't the house, but like when people 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.839 would come over, he used a secret passageway to sneak 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.079 into his hiding place in number four, right next door 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.720 through a secret garden. He's like a little rat, scurrying 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:16.280 back and forth. Rat like he even there. There was 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.840 one of the passageway parts had wooden floorboards and they 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.080 were creaky, so he paved it over with concrete so 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:24.240 that it wouldn't make any noise. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.040 That's an answer. How would have gone with carpeting? 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.760 Right, Well, he didn't just limit himself to numbers three 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.800 and four. Of the cliff. He had a disguise. Baby. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.000 Oh yes, we just limped all over town, like he 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.840 would walk down to the beach the scene of the crime. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.640 And then he even went On April twenty second, two 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:45.760 thousand and two, just one month after his disappearance, he 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.760 went to the library and got himself a library card. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.079 Why he just needed books. Yeah, I guess I couldn't 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:52.480 have his wife. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.040 See you'll see why he gets it. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.920 Oh wait, I mean that's new identity. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.559 Yeah. So it's like he's in this little fishing village. 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:00.400 I forgot people can. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.480 Like seven thousand people in town. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.000 Yeah, I figured that was not going to be a 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:04.839 big population. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.040 And you think that like strolling around would be a 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:07.680 little dicey. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.520 I'm thinking some of these people know well enough that 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.800 they could smell him, you know, like that smells like 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:12.480 John Darwin. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.280 Yeah, and so you know he, like you were saying, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.320 he's working on getting this new identity. So he poked 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.480 around some graveyards and like checked out headstones. He went 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.960 through the local newspaper archives looking for a man who 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.400 was born around his birth year and died as a child. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.080 So that wouldn't be a man, a boy, a boy child. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:34.600 He's looking for a male. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.760 You want to pick someone who doesn't didn't get a car, you. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.199 Know, well, bingo John Jones. Okay, so you find someone 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.240 also named John. The real John Jones was born the 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.080 same year as John Darwin, but twenty five miles away 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.520 in Sunderland, and he died when he was only five 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:55.839 weeks old from enteritis perfect at the city's Hospital for Infectious. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.000 Diseases an ideal candidates. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.600 Yeah, buried nineteen fifty. Okay, So John Darwin takes the 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.280 kids information, goes to get a duplicate birth certificate. He 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.400 got a black and white picture of himself sporting that 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.280 big old beard, took it to the library for the 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.840 librarian to sign with a statement that he was a 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.720 regular customer. Yeah. Then he took all the new documents 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.960 and he went to get a passport. So that's why 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:21.000 he got the library card. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:21.720 Yeah, got it. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.320 The address on the passport h number three the cliff. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:25.760 No. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.160 Yeah, it wasn't as undoing though, that's just bold, that's 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:35.480 just access bold. A year later, April of two thousand 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.360 and three, he gets declared dead. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.960 Okay that part. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.640 Yeah, So and she takes the death certificate. She takes 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.560 the evidence from the police. The whole smashed up canoe 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.040 thing goes to the banks. She did not carry the 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.720 smashed up canoe with her to the bank. And at 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.480 some point a body washed up on the beach and 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.480 we know it's not John. The cops they were like, oh, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.360 and it goes around town. A body's on the beach. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.880 So they're like, okay, we gotta be really careful. Treadslight 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.520 with Anne. Of course, they identify the body is not John, 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.520 and so when they're sure of it, they go to 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.440 tell Anne, like, I know you've heard. She gives the 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.920 performance of a lifetime. Really Oh yeah, she turns it on. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:13.960 She is Emmy. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.840 Worthy, Susan, watch out, you're losing again. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.480 She breaks into tears. She's wailing in sorrow, and you're thinking, well, 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.960 that's not John, right. She's like, I just wish it 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.200 were him so that I could finally have some closure. Barry, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:29.800 I just am the not knowing. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:31.720 She just seems reasonable. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.120 Yeah, and you know who else thought John was dead? 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.200 John his two sons. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.480 He had two adult sons. 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.440 They're not good actors. I don't think they can commit 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:42.840 to the bit. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.400 They had two adult sons that were not in on it, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.840 and she later admitted that lying to her sons was 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.560 quote something that I will live to regret for the rest. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.360 Of my time, you think as a mother. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.760 Yeah, so Anne, she uses the death certificate to claim 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.960 her husband's twenty five thousand pound life insurance policy. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:01.880 Okay, there you go. He's got some fraud is. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.560 Twenty five thousand pound teacher's pension. Okay, his fifty eight 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.600 thousand pound prison service pension, four thousand pounds in payout 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.520 from the Department of Working Pensions, and then another one 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:17.360 hundred and thirty seven thousand pounds from a Norwich Union 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:18.520 mortgage insurance policy. 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.040 She's just cashing out. She's like, let's leave this casino. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.000 Yeah, she gets two hundred and forty nine k out 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.560 of it. So now John Darwin is John Jones. He 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.880 has a new identity, He's got a lot of cash. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.040 What's next. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.640 I hope it's we leave England and go live somewhere 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:34.760 nice off of this money. 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.960 Oh that's really interesting. You should mention though, let's take 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.680 a break. When we come back, we'll find out about that. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.960 Where were we We were about to leave England hopefully 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.200 and go somewhere tropical with all this money. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.360 So we're talking about John Darwin aka John Jones aka 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:13.440 Canoe Man. He doesn't have to go to work. He 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.359 can't leave the house that much. So like, what's the 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.359 guy to do? He hops online? He hops online and 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.359 he plays interactive role playing games, one in particular called 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:24.840 Asheron's Call. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:25.919 Oh actually I know. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.399 Yeah. He goes like deep in and according to the 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.240 game's website, it is quote where thousands of players and 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.639 having a beautiful three D fantasy world to make friends 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.359 and seek out perilous adventure. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:41.320 Yes, I they call a massively multiple online role playing game. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.040 And I had a front and a roommate actually who 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:44.520 played it. And he used to like going off and 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.680 like get like a shield or a sword or whatever 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.400 and then sell it to strangers. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.480 On em exactly. So Anne was like, que, we made 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.200 a ton, and says the people that played it became 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.600 characters in this world. They had money, they could buy 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.720 and sell things, they could buy and sell property, and 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.560 they can cast spells on one another. 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:01.560 But he also turned it into real world cash, like 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.240 I'll meet you at this tree and give you my store, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:04.639 and the verse is like I'll give you five hundred 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:05.480 dollars us. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.600 Yeah, and things like you're saying, it turns into real world, right. 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:12.359 So John his character is a druid of course. And 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.040 then on there he interacts with this forty year old 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.399 woman who's been married three times. Her name is Kelly 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.920 Steele and she lives in Kansas City, Missouri, USA. Y. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:23.399 Yeah. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.640 So they start with like on the game, and then 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.800 that moves to emails and then internet calls and he's 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.480 keeping this a secret from Ann. So they're like using 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.600 the phone over the internet. Yeah. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:36.120 Wow. 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.439 So John send money to Kelly. Oh no, and he's like, 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.320 use this money and go buy me a rundown ten 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.800 acre farm just outside of Kansas City, and she's like, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.359 will do. Then he takes his John Jones passport and 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.679 he flies to the States. He tells Ann, you know what, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.000 I just need a break from what. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:18:59.400 Bak. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.920 I ended a sit and you play video games. He's like, well, 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.760 I'm also there's a possible business venture there. So it's 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.399 like fine, whatever, go. Things didn't go so great. He 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.840 got out there and the relationship immediately fell apart with Kelly, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.879 so he goes back to the UK. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:17.960 She's like, I thought it was the accent it's not 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:18.640 the excent no. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.119 And she's like, oh, you're not really a druid. And 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.800 so then he comes back. He's like, Ann, i just 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.159 lost thirty k in my business venture. I'm not getting 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.920