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Speaker 1: Hey, Club Shade listeners. We'll be back soon with weekly

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Speaker 1: episodes featuring brand new interviews with exciting roster guests. Until then,

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this special rewind episode with one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: moments from Club Sha Shade so far, all my life, grinding,

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Speaker 1: all my life, sack fights, hustle, back, price, one slice,

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Speaker 1: got the brown, the dice swap all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding all my life than you get on the

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Speaker 1: Shannon shot. Oh you know that? So you are? You?

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Speaker 1: Are you saying it's Devin helps to telling me here

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Speaker 1: to go? Most definitely put out what I wanted to hear?

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Speaker 1: Are they what I wanted to hear? Oh? Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 1: And I've under the believe So you know when you

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Speaker 1: look at the stats, right, you look at the tech. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the things that I do has never been done before,

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Speaker 1: never in the National League Football. And the position that

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Speaker 1: I played, I took. I took it at another level,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And to be honest, when

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Speaker 1: you when it's time to pick a returner, I do

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Speaker 1: believe I should be the first one when it's time

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Speaker 1: pulling up kick returning. It doesn't matter if you return

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Speaker 1: to the ball. Devin has the name should be called

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Speaker 1: first most definitely, I truly believe that, and I know

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Speaker 1: that everybody that knows the game of football. I love football. No,

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Speaker 1: when they mentioned the best kickoff and part returning, if

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Speaker 1: you were a real true football player, well you know

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Speaker 1: in Chicago, if you got a number twenty three, you

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Speaker 1: know what that you know what that is. So in

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Speaker 1: other words, you're trying to say you to join the returners,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be to join a return It's good look

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Speaker 1: at Chicago when you want twenty three. Man, what would

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Speaker 1: it mean for Devin Hester a returner basically a special

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Speaker 1: teams player, because they're not very many, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: Martin Anderson, Ray, Guy Jan Steneru, George Blander who started

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Speaker 1: a part. He was a kicker and a quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: you were primary a returner. What would it mean for

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Speaker 1: Evan Hester to get into the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 1: to be honest, man, it would mean a lot to me. Man,

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Speaker 1: this is is son that we're just not talking about

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Speaker 1: an award that anybody gets. Right when you talk about

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Man, this is the greatest among

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Speaker 1: the greatest. It's just like when you go back to

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Speaker 1: every dream come true for a kid. Man and for

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Speaker 1: me to make it. Man, it really not only for

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Speaker 1: of fame for me. That's very special. To open up

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Speaker 1: doors for the younger ones coming up, but not only

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Speaker 1: for myself, but to put a chair on top of

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Speaker 1: my career. Man, you want to said, Jay Cutler is

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Speaker 1: the worst leader you've ever played with. Why would you

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Speaker 1: say that? I would? I think just because his leadership,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I had an interview with

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Speaker 1: Knowledge of the game was better than anybody. His own

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Speaker 1: leadership he lacked. And that's why, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: But when you're around a guy nine ten hours a day,

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Speaker 1: You can't fool them. You can't fool your teammates. You

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Speaker 1: making take a early. You don't wait till your senior year, right,

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Speaker 1: I said, coach, you know what I say. I had

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Speaker 1: Actual scores, you score higher than that person. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: You don't you don't want to reveal that college. You've

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Speaker 1: been saying that. Yeah, I'm good. I'm just gonna let

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Speaker 1: I just wanted him look in my faith. That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's why I did that. If you if you go

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Speaker 1: we're good. Now. You didn't play you entire for you

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Speaker 1: didn't you? So you weren't allowed to practice, Were you

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Speaker 1: Listen that that drive home, Man felt like I was

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Speaker 1: You FeelA get caught up, right, you feelna get caught up? Man,

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Speaker 1: And you're looking at that though, I said, boy, it's

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Speaker 1: My Mama made me. She liked, you gotta get up, man,

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Speaker 1: you say, brain, you show I kept everything. Brain, you

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Speaker 1: practicing with him being on the scout team. Man, you

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