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Speaker 1: A day three of our coverage here from those events

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Speaker 1: and kind of settling into a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: of a v T. Yeah, Yeah, enjoyable one too. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of action and then frankly when

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Speaker 1: of here and extend their their long holiday weekends and

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff too. But there's still a bunch

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Speaker 1: another spirited day here on the South Side for sure. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you made mention this earlier and Bill Barnwell mention

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Speaker 1: team has improved in decline? Which what went right? What's

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Speaker 1: went and what's next? Yeah? There, really well done article.

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Speaker 1: Uh So I did want to talk about he had

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Speaker 1: This is a good radio. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling and

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Speaker 1: scrolling twenty back three. See. I think it's more building.

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Speaker 1: Rebuilding is the wrong word, but I think it's more

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Speaker 1: here were So he has the Steelers at best off season. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so slightly below average. He said what went right? Frantically

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Speaker 1: You then, you know, go get Trabinsky immediately, obviously the

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Speaker 1: The other part of the equation. And he mentions, he

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Speaker 1: where this team is going. Yeah, Pittsburgh also rebuilt it's

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Speaker 1: won't fight him on You don't love the chuck situation,

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Speaker 1: you know, but he's still super young. That contract won't

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lali. Were with Matt Williamson and Matt were

441
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Speaker 1: just talking about the Zoe Farmwell article on your d

442
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Speaker 1: K on ESPN regarding the off seasons here and he

443
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Speaker 1: ranked thirties two to seventeen today to finish up with

444
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Speaker 1: the top sixty next Wednesday. I guess, so a big project. Um.

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Speaker 1: Interesting to note that while the Steelers coming at nineteen

446
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Speaker 1: on that list, Um, it's a it's a situation. None

447
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: of the other a f C North teams are below

448
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: the Steelers, so they all had better off seasons and

449
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: pictures what he's saying, Yeah, okay, I suppose I get that.

450
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean the Ravens draft is a huge influx of youth,

451
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Speaker 1: and I like the Marcus Williams signing. Just talking about

452
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: editions because there were some subtractions there too. Um, we

453
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Speaker 1: did talk about Watson. I mean, if if you land

454
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Speaker 1: your long term star, top ten quarterback, it's a good offseason,

455
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Speaker 1: assuming it doesn't rock the boat in other ways. Again,

456
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: that's a unique situation, and I don't think either one

457
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Speaker 1: of us are gonna fight the Bengals is having a

458
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: good off season. I don't know that any of them

459
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Speaker 1: are better than the Steelers, but I like what the

460
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Speaker 1: Bengals did. They addressed two key areas. Four teams in

461
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: the division got better. Now, maybe it's not to the

462
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: level of I know everybody's trumpeting. You know, the the

463
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: the f C West, and well look at how better

464
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: much better these teams in the FC westcot Um, they're

465
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Speaker 1: doing a huge splash moves except for the Watson deal. Um. No,

466
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: I hear you, But I don't know. The Ravens do

467
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: this every year and they're really stable organization and everyone

468
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: likes their draft every year and I understand that. And

469
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: they did add more than they lost, especially if you

470
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: accumulate guys coming back from injury. Um. I think there's

471
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Speaker 1: more holes with the Browns than people want to maybe

472
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Speaker 1: give them credit for when they had Lois the offseason,

473
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Speaker 1: and part of that because you go all in you

474
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Speaker 1: on the first round pick, you want a second round pick,

475
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Speaker 1: you know, you go all in with your resources on

476
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Speaker 1: one guy and that guy has to hit again. I mean,

477
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Speaker 1: you're he's going to change the organization positive negative for whatever,

478
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Speaker 1: ugly whoever. You know, but that's gonna change. And I

479
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: think Cincinnati was smart just because they were kind of

480
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: slow and steady. It wasn't like where you have all

481
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Speaker 1: our money to draw on armstead and be done, you know.

482
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Speaker 1: I mean they spent their money last spread it out

483
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Yeah, Yeah. Actually, it's been

484
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: three off seasons in a row. One of them was

485
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Speaker 1: on defense. This year was about the offensive line, where

486
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 1: I think they spread their money out pretty well. They

487
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Speaker 1: don't want one huge ticket item in free agents. Yeah,

488
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: because you know, they also know that they've got the

489
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Speaker 1: contracts of you know, Burrow and Chase. Right, you can't.

490
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: You can't go out and spend million dollars on a

491
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Speaker 1: player knowing that you've got that situation. You know, what's

492
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Speaker 1: Burrow going to command? What's Chase going to command? Can

493
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Speaker 1: you keep Bates? You know, things like that are looming

494
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: to these other guys problems they didn't have in the past. Yeah,

495
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: So I get that. Um, but you know, I look

496
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Speaker 1: at this and I mean, I I'm not gonna talk

497
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Speaker 1: out of both sides of my mouth. I like what

498
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Speaker 1: the Steelers have done this off season. Yeah, I mean,

499
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Speaker 1: I think it's been a very good off season for them,

500
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Speaker 1: and it's been one of major major changes, major major

501
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Speaker 1: changes without rocking the boat too much though, you know,

502
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not a civil level changes and things

503
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, there's still a slow, steady course,

504
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: even with Kevin Colbert stepping aside. You know, it and

505
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: they didn't sign the big ticket items. No, right, right, right.

506
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not massive personalities coming into the locker room.

507
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and that could be good or bad. There's

508
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: not massive coaching changes there are, you know, things like

509
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: the flora is hiring. Who's a big personality that could

510
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: change things behind the scenes. But it's not like, oh,

511
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: Tomlin's jobs in Troubleboco Flora's is here, you know, any

512
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: of that kind of people have suggested that too. It's

513
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: most like there was a lot of those, a lot

514
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: of people out there. Why don't they make Tomlin the

515
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: GM and you make Brian Flora's the head coach because

516
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: you probably get worse with both spots. Why are you

517
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Speaker 1: asking someone to do I mean unless I mean we've

518
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: seen coaches do that in the past. I mean, if

519
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Speaker 1: coach Tomlin was like, I don't want to the grind

520
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: of coaching every week and I still want to be involved. Sure,

521
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: but not Hey, Kevin or Mike, you're doing such a

522
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Speaker 1: great job, let's change what you're doing. It doesn't make

523
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Speaker 1: any sense, right, Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I

524
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: think you know. And Mike Tomlin it's just again continues

525
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: to be this perception out there that he is somehow

526
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: a bad coach. He's somehow goodwinked everybody in the league

527
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: into thinking he's a good coach. Right. It's amazing to

528
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: me that he doesn't get more credit locally, really, because

529
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Speaker 1: really the people to know nationally realize he's a top

530
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: five type of coach. You but you always hate, you

531
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: always hate the you know you hate this you're starting

532
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: quarterback if he's not a star, and everybody thinks the

533
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: head coach should have done this or that, because well,

534
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: that's the way I do it on Madden right, right,

535
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: the same reason when he loves the backup him. You know,

536
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: it's it's fourth and two, and I stop, I get up,

537
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: I go have a sandwich, maybe get a drink. I

538
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: come back, and then I run my fourth or two

539
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: play because I've had some time to think about it. Yeah,

540
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: and my running backs, I don't know. I don't play Badden,

541
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: but I created my running back out of thin air,

542
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: and he's got a hundred strength and speed and oh

543
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: he picked it up. I run this play every time

544
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: in the computer can't cover it. So every time my

545
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: right guard is just blowing out this tackle, and yeah,

546
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: there's no wind or crowd or pressure. It's it's it's

547
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: the same thing that doesn't work for me with analytics

548
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and football. I get it. I get analytics. I believe

549
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: in analytics. When I'm coaching baseball, I am as analytically

550
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: driven as anybody out there. I'll go through my books.

551
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: I'll see who does what and what situations. If we're

552
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: playing it's a team that we've played before, I'll look

553
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: and see how guys did against certain pictures, what they did,

554
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: things of that nature. And look and see where does

555
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: the player if we played them again we played it before,

556
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: Where did those guys hit the ball at? Where they

557
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: where they put the ball. And I know very little

558
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: about baseball except for being a fan, you know, growing up,

559
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: Baseball makes more sense game management, you know, football, there's

560
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: so much involved in this that you know. First of all,

561
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's more people, beings, twenty two people involved baseball.

562
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: You don't play baseball and bad weather. You might play

563
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: in cold weather. If it's pouring rain, you're not playing

564
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: baseball or freezing out or super hot, and my guys

565
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: are tired or those type of things. If those things,

566
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: If it's snowing and there's accumulation on the ground. You're

567
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: not you're stopping the baseball game. In football, you're continuing

568
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: to play. Oh yeah yeah, and in the ninth inning,

569
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: aren't much different. You know, there's a weather front coming in.

570
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Everybody's from right, right, right, or boy, it's hot as

571
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: can be, and my defense is spent. I can't I

572
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: can't punt here because I can't put them back on

573
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: the field because they got nothing left in the tank.

574
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: You know your right fielder doesn't get tired, right, Yes,

575
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he's really those two fly

576
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: balls that he cut in this game? Did he hit

577
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: a double three innings ago? Now? Your picture is a

578
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: different matters different, right, And I think basketball and hockey

579
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: either fatigues a big deal too. And I don't know

580
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: how you would measure that from a analytics perspective, but

581
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: even in those sports, like a guy who's a guy

582
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Speaker 1: who's a thirty eight percent three point shooter, he may

583
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: miss his first four or five shots by the end

584
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Speaker 1: of the game, were by the after seven through or

585
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: seven game, serious, he's probably gonna shoot right around that number. Yeah,

586
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: he may have a hot streak and he may be

587
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: better than that number. Uh, you know, but there's all

588
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's things like the clutch factor and things

589
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: of that that you're which I believe it. Oh, I

590
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: do too. I mean, especially at quarterback and you know

591
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: Larry Bird hitting up the game winner or Jordan or

592
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Speaker 1: somebody like that. I mean, I want you want the

593
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Speaker 1: ball in your hands. That's the clutches guy. I mean

594
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Speaker 1: I think there's something to that. I mean, I always

595
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: will never wrap their head around. I always wanted the

596
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Speaker 1: ball and I always wanted to take that last shot

597
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: when we're when we're playing you know, different pickup games. Yeah,

598
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: not everybody does. I want, you know, I want to

599
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Speaker 1: just okay, I'm gonna bury this and we're gonna be done.

600
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: We got next. Yeah, and the whole stadium knows Jordan's

601
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Speaker 1: getting the ball or whoever you know, and you know,

602
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: to get double old and you still have to overcome

603
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, And as much as hard I think,

604
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Speaker 1: I think it has a place. Oh, I'm a big

605
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: fan of anietics. Everyone knows that, but I mean they

606
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: do have coaches. I mean it's also a very broad term.

607
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: You see what happened in in with the Chargers last year,

608
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: you see what happened with Harbord in Baltimore going for

609
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: it on on this fourth Well, you know, and you

610
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: know again, I don't want to talk out of both

611
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Speaker 1: sides of my mouth. Her. I get. I get what

612
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: like Harbor did last year to a better more of

613
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: a degree than I get what they were doing with

614
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: the Chargers hard body towards the end of the season,

615
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: started going for the Okay, we're close. I know my

616
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: defense stinks, right, he was covering up a weekness. Yeah,

617
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Speaker 1: I know that we can't. You know, if this game

618
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: goes to overtime, we're not We're probably not gonna win

619
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Speaker 1: if we lose the toss, and we don't have Lamar Jackson,

620
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: so the offense isn't as good. So we're gonna we're

621
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Speaker 1: gonna go for two here and see if we can

622
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Speaker 1: end this game now. And that makes sense. Whereas Brent

623
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Staley just went he just went forward every single time. Yeah,

624
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go forward, no matter what. Right, we're at

625
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: our own twenty hell with it, I'm gonna go for it. Yeah,

626
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just silly, and I bet he learns his lesson.

627
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: But I bet there's also some analytic folks this offseason,

628
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: it'll say, I don't know how many times to stately

629
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: go for it yesterday the last year, I'm guessing fifteen times.

630
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, more than anybody else. But

631
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Speaker 1: it's still not fifty times, you know. I'm sure the

632
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Speaker 1: analytics community will be like, Okay, over the course of

633
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Speaker 1: his career when he when he has a hundred options

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Speaker 1: to do it, they went for a thirty or four

635
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: times last kay wow, I mean it has to be

636
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: the most of the lake. I was laughing, it can't

637
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: be fifty. But it was to a game. Now it's

638
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: two a game, right, So I bet the analytics community's

639
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: gonna tell you, though, give us five years of him

640
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: doing that, and it'll come back to the mean. He

641
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: just got unlucky. Well he he got. He converted. They

642
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: converted sixty four point seven percent of the time. And

643
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure most of those are fourth and ones a

644
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: fourth and twelves, you know, but you have to their

645
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: situational stuff. Not all fourth and ones are created equal,

646
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: not even close. You know, one of them is fourth

647
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and one of them is fourth in in you know,

648
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: a foot and a half. The other one's fourth in

649
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: four and a half feet right right, right, right right.

650
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: One of them is fourth and fourth and two from

651
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: your own twenty. The other one is a fourth and

652
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: two from the opposing twenty. Those are completely different situation.

653
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: Back to your point. One of them is in a

654
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: dome in New Orleans and the ones in a driving rainstorm.

655
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: And it was a driving rainstorm on the road in

656
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: Green Bay. And you don't have your starting running right

657
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: and you're in your kicker you have no faith in

658
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 1: it all, or or you're the best kicker. It's involved

659
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: with football. I mean, if I have Justin Tucker or

660
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the kicker I picked up off the street, is going

661
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: to influence what I do on fourth down? You know?

662
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Um yeah, They're one of the things that makes me

663
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: crazy because this is list season and we've all done

664
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: our lists this time of year, and you'll get you know,

665
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: who are the best coaches in the league. And the

666
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: last couple of years. No one would have written written

667
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: this ten years ago or even five years ago. Probably

668
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: everyone will kill Tomlin because his fourth downd percentage isn't

669
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: he punts too much? And I I'm like, that's fine

670
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: if you want to mention that I don't have a

671
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: problem with that, or if you want to talk about

672
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: fourth downds. But I promised you if you asked, especially

673
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: the Rooneys, but if you ask any owner in the league.

674
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: So what's your criteria for hiring your next head coach?

675
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: You know, let's go through the list of what's most

676
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: important to you. Fourth down percentage is like you know

677
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like game management is big. You know,

678
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: how do you handle things on game day, time outs,

679
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: all those things. But you know, in terms of who

680
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: do I hire to lead my organization and be the

681
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: CEO of my massive corporation, here his abilities on fourth down,

682
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: whether he punts a little more, you know, five percent

683
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: more than he should or goes forward five percent more

684
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: than he should is way down my criteria. Yeah, I agree.

685
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: I think you know that the analytic part of this

686
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: game is has gotten again. I see the value in it. Yeah,

687
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: there's a great market for it. I think it's a

688
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: wonderful tool, you know, and you should use it to

689
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: to self scout and things of that nature. Um, but

690
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: it can't be the soul driving No, it can't be

691
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: the engine that drives the bus. Right. Yeah, I'm interested

692
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: in some of these newer gms like the Vikings come

693
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: to mind. I mean that it was hired because of

694
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: his analytic background. Well, I mean, I'm not saying he's

695
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: a bad higher. I don't know much about him except

696
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: that he's you know, very very bright, very mathematically inclined.

697
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: But a lot of people gave him a hard time

698
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: because he traded from what eleven or twelve with the

699
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Lions back to thirty two, and by the trade value chart,

700
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: he didn't get as much as he gave up. But

701
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: analytics say trading down smart than trading up. But me

702
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: giving you ninety cents for a dollar, or me giving

703
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you a dollar for ninety cents in return doing that

704
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: with a team that's in your division, which he did

705
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: that way twice, right, right, right, So maybe he proves

706
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: to be right. Maybe the whole key to drafting is

707
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: just making as many picks as you possibly can and

708
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: figuring out from there. But if you keep taking ninety

709
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: cents on the dollar, it's gonna cost you, you know,

710
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: and and then other teams are gonna know it too,

711
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: And then the Steelers are called next year and give

712
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: them a d five cents on the dollar because you

713
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: know you want to trade back right right, yes, and

714
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: you know by the same token. You know, when you

715
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: look at that and then you look at what the

716
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: Saints did gave up to go get Crystal Lovey, total

717
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: complete opposite. Which team is going to be more successful

718
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, or for five years, because it's all

719
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: about you know what what happens on the field, that's

720
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: what you know. When people would talk about bringing up

721
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: the Browns again a few years ago, when they kept

722
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: trading back in the first round and they kept accumulating

723
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: all these picks, and I remember, I can remember you

724
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna make a pick. Yeah, I had that conversation with

725
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: David Toddy's I really like what the Browns are doing here.

726
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but David, at some point they have

727
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: to pick players. Yeah, you can't just keep trading back

728
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: and accumulating all these picks and say, boy, look at

729
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: all these picks we've got. Yes, and this is an

730
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: extreme example, but I heard this, this conversation was being

731
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: had in conversation was listening to, and somebody really smart said,

732
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: a hundred seventh round picks don't ever equal first round pick.

733
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: You know, there's eventually there's a point where you may

734
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: get lucky with one or two. You may get lucky

735
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: with one or two, but you could have or no

736
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: other ninety guys here this week, and they're all seventh

737
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: round picks, so you don't have any for you, you know,

738
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: and maybe ten of them hit, but they're not gonna

739
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: hit like the first rounders, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

740
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: you got value left and right, but eventually you gotta

741
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: make a pick. You gotta make the picks, and they

742
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: get a hit. We're gonna take another break. He is

743
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: Matt Williams and I am Dale Ally. You're listening to

744
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: the drive here on Steelers Nation. Ridy don't even know

745
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: how we went down that rock, right. We had a

746
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: nice conversation about it. We did. And what's interesting is,

747
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, with o'mark han taking over as the GM,

748
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: will they be more analytically based or not? I mean,

749
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers, let's talk about that because you know they're

750
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: gonna announce there. They're gonna introduce Omar Can tomorrow. Of course,

751
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: he was hired yesterday as the GM. Andy Widel from

752
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: the Eagles is going to be coming any course, and

753
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: he has a background. Begin his cart with the Steelers,

754
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: went to Baltimore, then to uh to Philadelphia, yea, which

755
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: I like both those front officers. Actually he spent a

756
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: year in year two in this briefly in between there, right,

757
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: so you know when you look at it for good

758
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: organizations that he's that he's very much and they each

759
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: have very distinct ways of team building. Not every team does,

760
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: but that those three teams do. Ye. We'll talk about

761
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: that in the return. He is Matt Williams and I

762
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

763
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We are live at the UPM c

764
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: rooney Sports Complex for Steeler O t A session. We'll

765
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: be back with more right after this, and we're back.

766
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williams, and we

767
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: are alive at Steelers O t A sessions here at

768
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: the UPM c rooney Sports Complex. And Matt, as I mentioned,

769
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: the Steelers will UH introduce not that they really have

770
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: to because he's been here for twenty one years, but

771
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Omar Khn is their new general manager at ten am

772
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: tomorrow in a press conference on Frinday. By Friday, if

773
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, UH later on this weekend comes

774
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: out in podcast absolutely um and UM there are reports

775
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: out there that they're going to hand. Uh, they're gonna

776
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: have Andy Wide will come in as the assistant GM.

777
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Wide'll amount Levin and uh graduate like yourself, myself, he's

778
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: you're younger than I am, right, um. And so in

779
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: my eyes, what what this is, What this means is

780
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: that Omar Kahn will continue to be the guy who

781
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: negotiates all the contracts. Yes, I would imagine, and Wide

782
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: will will be the guy that when uh, you know,

783
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is going out to a pro day, why,

784
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: it will be the guy that's there with him analyzing

785
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: the Yeah. And I would imagine. And he's going to

786
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: continue to watch a lot of tape right reports, you know, um,

787
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: both row and college. He'll be at a game several

788
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: saturdays per fall, you know, and then come back and

789
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: be here for the Steeler game or whatever. Um where

790
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how much tape Omar has watched in

791
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: his career or if he will at all, or but

792
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be his forte either way. My hunches.

793
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: He will get all the data, all the reports, all

794
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: the different scouts will state their case on players. And

795
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: that's a situation where analytics comes into play, right, finances

796
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: if we draft, uh, you know, a cornerback in round one, okay,

797
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: that the analytics say he'll last for eight years in

798
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: the league and he'll make this this much money, you know,

799
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: or something along those lines, and so you know, but

800
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: this this position has better value because these guys last

801
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: ten years and they you know, that kind of stuff.

802
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: And to take a step further, it's even more like, well,

803
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: if I have a corner who's cost controlled for four

804
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: or five years as a fur round pick, that means

805
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: compared to and he's an average starter. I mean, that's

806
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: a good way looking at You have to look at

807
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: everybody as an average, right. If he can become an

808
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: average starter after his rookie season and if he getting

809
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: more with that him, that's great. What does it cost

810
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: me on the open market to get an average starting

811
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: corner a lot more than does the draft one, you know. So,

812
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's I'm sure a big partion of

813
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: of what Omar will be looking at is, well, that's great,

814
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: but the contractual value isn't high for this particular position

815
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's the biggest argument about running back in

816
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: one ring round one, honestly is they don't last particularly long,

817
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: and I can go get an average starter on the

818
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: market of Melvin Gordon for a couple of million, where

819
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, if Chuck's a core for is

820
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: a below average starter right now, that could develop him

821
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: the more. And he's eight million and Melvin Gordon's three

822
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: million for a year. I mean, you can understand the

823
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: economics of it all, you know, in terms of positional

824
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: value and ability to find you know, different spots. Yeah,

825
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: to me, this move by Art Rooney largely keeps the

826
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: status quo because Omar Khan is going to continue. He

827
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: he does all the contract negotiations, now that's what he does.

828
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: And he handles the team's finances and does does those

829
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: things and he does that job very well. So to

830
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: me that the whole idea of this was, you know,

831
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting myself in Art rooney shoes here for

832
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: a moment um, as long as he doesn't come down

833
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: and stop me. Uh you look at this, Okay, I'm

834
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna hire a guy from the out, from outside the

835
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: organization to do the job that Kevin did, yes, or

836
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: a percentage of it, high percentage of what Kevin did.

837
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: But I don't want to put that guy in a

838
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: position where it looks like he is in charge of Omar,

839
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: which is what Kevin basically. I mean they they were

840
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: both both vice presidents. They worked very closely together, but

841
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Kevin had the GM title. So really, what you've done

842
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: if you've given the GM title to Omark Con you're

843
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: getting him an assistant GM. So now you've created that

844
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: hierarchy to Con who's been here? But why do We'll

845
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: still handle the draft stuff I would imagine and the

846
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: majority of that not the Colm won't be involved in

847
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the personnel stuff. Yeah, I think, well he'll have this.

848
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll be the strongest influence in the building

849
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: with team building. Maybe not team building might be the

850
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: right word, but player evaluations, yeah, both pro and college.

851
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: And the thing that people need to remember is that

852
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: there's one person at the top of the pyramid, right,

853
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: the team. It's the team pyramid, and so you know

854
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: you've still got two that's that's the owner slash team president.

855
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Everything runs throughout Rooney here, right right. That's just that's

856
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: the way it's worked. It was that way when Dan

857
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: Rooney ran the team. Uh, you know, that's just the

858
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: way that the Steelers have always done things. And I

859
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: don't know if this is true or not, but Mike

860
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: Tomlin has a lot of influence on more than just

861
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: if you go for it on fourth thound or not

862
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: to and he should. I mean, he's the head coach.

863
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's no different. Are you telling me

864
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh doesn't have a lot of influence on what

865
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens do, right? You know? Read you know these

866
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: guys have been around obviously the GM slash head coach,

867
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: but there's a lot that don't. I mean, there's probably

868
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: a dozen head coaches that have no say on the

869
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: first round pick, which is which to me is silly

870
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: because he's the guy, you know, he's the cook. Yeah, right, right,

871
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: you can't just throw him. Okay, here you go. I'm

872
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna give you this, uh this this venison and some

873
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: red beats and some peanut butter, peanut butter something that girl.

874
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: All on their own, They're all I would eat all

875
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: of them right, mixed together? Not so much. Yeah, here's

876
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: here's marshmallows, bottle of vodka and spam. Daughter. Uh, you

877
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: know when we get something and she's like, oh, I

878
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna like this I'm like, well,

879
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: you like chicken and you like cheese, and you like

880
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, like, why wouldn't you like them all mixed together? Well,

881
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: dot's always work that way, right, But that's a good

882
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: way of pointing, you know. And Tomlin is gonna have

883
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: extreme say in things, of course, and I get that

884
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: in terms of free agency, acquisitions and draft and he's

885
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: earned that because and he's good at it. People don't realize.

886
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: I've never been in the war room with them, but

887
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: people that have say, Wow, he's very impressive. And he's

888
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: not just a figurehead or a blowhard in there. He's

889
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: done the work. He's watched a lot of the tape.

890
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he grinded how Picket Ritter Corral,

891
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, all those guys, and had a lot of saying, boy,

892
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: I really don't like this about him, or boy I

893
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: like this aspect of them. You know. So it's gonna

894
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: be a group decision or a group project, and it

895
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: always is that. That's, you know, as I get you know,

896
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: the Steeler's success under Kevin Colburn, and I'm not trying

897
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: to discount that at all, No, it's but every move

898
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: that they make is a Steelers move has been said

899
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: a few times this offseason. You know, we or it's

900
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: always said, and you know, early in my career I didn't.

901
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't. Somebody's gonna have somebody's gonna have

902
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: the final say, well, the finals say always comes down

903
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: to Art Rooney if there's a debate. I can remember asking,

904
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, talking to him when we talked to him

905
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when they when they made

906
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: him make a Fitzpatrick trade, and he says, you know,

907
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Kevin came to me and said, we had this this

908
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: option and he said, I said, well, how how difficult

909
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: was that decision to to make? And he said, I

910
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: did a lot of pacing and you know there before

911
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: we made it because it was it went against the

912
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: organizational philosopher, but he made it, made the final decision. Yes,

913
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: this is what's best for us in the long term.

914
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I assume how this went and you probably

915
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: didn't go make the trade and then say, hey, maybe

916
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: we just made this deal. But he was in favor

917
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: of it, took a proposition to his boss and said

918
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: I think this is what's best for the team, and

919
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: his boss respects Kevin and says, okay, I'll listen to it.

920
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: That's not what we do. But convinced me, and he

921
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: convinced the you know what I mean, And that's the

922
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: way the organization works. So Omar, you know, Omar Khan

923
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: does not have He's not over top of Mike Tomlin. Correct,

924
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: They're they're basically equals in in in footing there this

925
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: they're the second level of the pyramid. That's where it

926
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: starts to go down in the triangle. And maybe this

927
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: is me not knowing Omar well enough for his background,

928
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: because there's a difference between being a salary cap guy

929
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: and a numbers guy than an analytics guy too. You know,

930
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: like he might not be looking at well, I'm trying

931
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: to come with some example you should throw more on

932
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: first downs because analytics tell us that he might just

933
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: be saying, well, in terms of contracts, you should spend

934
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: your money here and here so you can build a

935
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: contractual puzzle of a fifty three man roster. You know,

936
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that all of a sudden it's gonna

937
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: look like Brandon Stately, you know, I mean like he's

938
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: gonna have an influence, But I don't know if he's

939
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: analytically driven or not. I know, his numbers driven and

940
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: finance driven. Then that's not the same thing. No, it

941
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: certainly is um but you know, I do think that that, uh,

942
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: it's going to be largely the same moving forward. I mean,

943
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a different set of Eyza Whitel. Uh

944
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: think you're running the department, But you still have Tom

945
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: one there. Con has always been involved and at the

946
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: top of the pyrad and do you still have aren't

947
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: Rooney and are going to philosophically because White is coming

948
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: out of people. Well, you know, the Eagles are one

949
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: of the most aggressive teams in the league in terms

950
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: of trading. Right, Okay, that's that's all well and good,

951
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: But he didn't make those decisions either. Right. It's funny

952
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: because the Saints were longer ago in Whitel's career, the

953
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: Ravens and especially the Eagles are the most recent. So

954
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: of course you look at things and that say, he'll

955
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: probably do it like he was taught and like the

956
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: last organizations did and they were successful. You don't know that,

957
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you don't know that he'll do

958
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: the same thing. But I do think there's some interesting

959
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: trends with those organizations. More so than others in that

960
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: Philly really stresses the line to scrimmage. You know, they've

961
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: drafted a lot of sievers high lately, but I think

962
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: that's more because they've been missing on them. They always

963
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: invest in lineman, always, always, always. They never invest in

964
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: second level linebackers. They have en drafted a first round

965
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: corner since Leedo Shepard. So they have some strong trends.

966
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: And the Ravens do too. You know, the Ravens are

967
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: more best player available in any team in the league,

968
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: and there they do invest in back end players. Say

969
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: they invest in corners too, and it took Patrick Queen

970
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: the first round, you know, and they're the best comp

971
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: picked team in the league. You know, So which what

972
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: what routes is he What's he gonna pluck from his

973
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: own right? In both organizations, you bring your own arguments

974
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: to the table, and so, you know, maybe a little

975
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: bit different way of doing things. We'll see if the

976
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: Steelers do change things up in that direction. Um, but

977
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: it's it's all part of the process here. You know,

978
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert brought his own processes to the to the equation,

979
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: not right away as I did the story. You know,

980
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago before the draft and spoke

981
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: to some guys who had been there. I spoke to

982
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: Bill Cower, I spoke to to Doug Whaley, guys who

983
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: had been in the room with Kevin during those those

984
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: early drafts. He said, no, we just carried over what

985
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: we had been doing because he got started so late

986
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: in the process. But then he put his own touches

987
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: on it. I'm sure it's gonna be very similar to

988
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: like as you said that an example, or Mike Tomlin

989
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: was hired. Like the only problem I have with the

990
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Tomlin hiring at the time, not knowing much about him,

991
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: was like, are they going to be a strict cover

992
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: to too high safety? That's not what this defense says

993
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: at all. That's gonna be a rough transition as you

994
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: know what, what's Aaron Smith gonna? What's you know? Does

995
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: are a spot for Casey Hampton? And that goes down

996
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: to just coaching and doing and that's not at all

997
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: looking at what you have and saying, Okay, this is

998
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: what we do best and this is what we're going

999
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: to continue to do. This is what this is what

1000
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: I have, it's set up to do this, this is

1001
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: what we're gonna continue to do so that to me,

1002
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: that comes down to the owner saying we love you,

1003
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: but your system isn't gonna get implemented here overnight. We're

1004
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: not dumping Cam Heyward because he's not a four three

1005
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: player you know or whatever. You know what you getting right?

1006
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: We want your wrinkles, but they're gonna be slower. Yeah,

1007
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: it's the top of the hour here, so we're gonna

1008
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: take another break. Here is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally.

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00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,160
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1014
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1015
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