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Speaker 1: we gonna seek. We're gonna kick the show off, get
Speaker 1: right into it with football. And I actually like this
Speaker 1: topic because it's not many of us in this role.
Speaker 1: And you'll see where I'm going. So Tom Brady says
Speaker 1: he's a sounding board. He will be a sounding board
Speaker 1: for anything the Raiders wonder need. I mean, you're a
Speaker 1: part owner, you should be. But my question to you is,
Speaker 1: would you have any interest of being part of the
Speaker 1: front office. Zip zero donata. I don't want none of that.
Speaker 1: Would you have to have known the team? No no interest?
Speaker 1: So playing is enough of a headache. Now you gotta
Speaker 1: control everything else combined with that and every Tom Dick
Speaker 1: and Harry who thinks he knows better than you and
Speaker 1: can do this defense offense because he played you know,
Speaker 1: this video game and he does well on it. It's nah,
Speaker 1: I'm I had no desire. You you got a desire
Speaker 1: to do that? I mean other than the money, it's
Speaker 1: nothing else I would do it. I wouldn't say I
Speaker 1: have a desire to do it. I just feel like
Speaker 1: if I was in the front office now, it just
Speaker 1: it depends on your role in that front office. Look,
Speaker 1: the role in the front office like like a scout. No,
Speaker 1: you have no say. So you go scout a guy.
Speaker 1: You may like a guy that gim may not like him,
Speaker 1: they don't draft him. But if I'm a decision maker,
Speaker 1: if my words mean something has like and mean I
Speaker 1: can pull some weight around. I thought yeah, because I
Speaker 1: feel like I understand talent. I know talent.
Speaker 2: At every position.
Speaker 1: So what happens when you get that talent in there
Speaker 1: and don't paying out the way that you thought it
Speaker 1: was go paying out. That's okay, everybody. Now, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to batter. I'm not going to bat a thousand.
Speaker 1: Nobody I ain't said you go bat a thousand. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of people, don't nobody better thousand.
Speaker 2: I'm a bad at least seven hundred. Stop it, I'm telling.
Speaker 2: And when you sit.
Speaker 1: Down and meet with these dudes and number one, you
Speaker 1: can tell who genuinely loves the game or they just
Speaker 1: playing the game for what the game brings them, whether
Speaker 1: there's money, attention women like you, you don't know. But
Speaker 1: talent wise, oh, I'm meiling that. I'm meiling that. Okay, talent, talent.
Speaker 1: What you're doing in the off field can overshadow your
Speaker 1: your talent, and you're a person that has tremendous talent.
Speaker 1: But when you off the field, you you out in
Speaker 1: the club, you out in the strip, club, you out
Speaker 1: in the streets, and your night life is just as
Speaker 1: fantastic as your playing field. Your career is going to
Speaker 1: be shortened. You can only do You can only burn
Speaker 1: a candle from both ends so long. I agree with
Speaker 1: that to a certain extent. I don't care if you're
Speaker 1: out in the club. It's what you're doing in the club.
Speaker 1: I don't care. If you're in the strip club, are
Speaker 1: you going all the time? Are you getting drunk? It's
Speaker 1: people that go out, they don't drink. They just hanging
Speaker 1: out with their teammates. So what are you doing when
Speaker 1: you go out? For me, the percentage of those people
Speaker 1: that go out, how many of them don't drink?
Speaker 2: I didn't like I was. I didn't say. I'nna say.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say probably that don't fifteen to twenty. It
Speaker 1: ain't even that high, bro, It's more like five to ten.
Speaker 1: It may be fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 2: Stop it.
Speaker 1: You get ten, you get you get ten of your
Speaker 1: homeboys together right now.
Speaker 2: No that they'll drink.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is each time they go out, each
Speaker 1: time they going out, And then how often are you
Speaker 1: going out? It depends like if you're playing in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: how often you going out? You're playing in Cincinnati, how
Speaker 1: often you going out? Now you're playing in Miami, you're
Speaker 1: playing in New York, you playing in LA you're playing
Speaker 1: in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: That's different, but you not gonna bat a thousand.
Speaker 1: I just feel like if I'm giving that opportunity, I'm
Speaker 1: drafting some talented players, now, am I gonna miss him?
Speaker 2: Are in there? Absolutely? But how many of us are
Speaker 2: in that position? That's the problem. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't want the responsibility of being in that position.
Speaker 1: I'm good me personally, I'm jumping two feet in. But
Speaker 1: they they're not giving us those positions. When I say
Speaker 1: us people of color, we don't. We don't get those
Speaker 1: type of opportunities to advance up the rates. They want
Speaker 1: you to start in the basement. They want you to
Speaker 1: start in the basement, like you don't want to start
Speaker 1: in the basement. Though, I don't need to start in
Speaker 1: the basement. I'm my accolade. I'm I should start above
Speaker 1: at Hey, man, some people can play the game, but
Speaker 1: tackler and can't just talent to say their life, I
Speaker 1: ain't some people that that's the difference. I'm not so you,
Speaker 1: I said. Some people I know were speaking between you
Speaker 1: and I. Now, you wouldn't even want to own a
Speaker 1: team like our owner. No, none of that.
Speaker 2: I don't know none of that, man.
Speaker 1: I see, I love playing the game, man, I love
Speaker 1: playing the game. When I played the game, after I
Speaker 1: was done playing the game, you know that was that
Speaker 1: was sort of it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I watch you know here
Speaker 2: and there.
Speaker 1: If it's something I need to you know, talk about
Speaker 1: or whatever, I'll pay more attention to it.
Speaker 2: But other than that, I love to play the game.
Speaker 1: Everything else that comes with it, I'm good, especially if
Speaker 1: I'm not playing it.
Speaker 2: For sure, coaching is nothing, no desire on you at all.
Speaker 2: It's too much time. That is very like.
Speaker 1: That's my biggest reason because I've been off for jobs
Speaker 1: in the league. That's my biggest reason that I want
Speaker 1: coaches because one, I want to be around my children.
Speaker 2: I want to see my kids grow up.
Speaker 1: Like you have all the money in the world, does
Speaker 1: it matter when you don't have a relationship with your
Speaker 1: loved ones, because ultimately the mama's going to be the
Speaker 1: doing all the raising. Your wife or their mother is
Speaker 1: gonna raise them because you're not around. We know from
Speaker 1: our coaches, like Bruh. Let's say Sunday, you see them
Speaker 1: Sunday night. If you play a home game Monday night,
Speaker 1: they have the facility all day game planning Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: then the facility all day game planning Wednesday night, then
Speaker 1: the facility all day game planning. You'll see them a
Speaker 1: little bit Thursday. You'll see them a good portion Friday.
Speaker 1: Now if you playing away game, they flying out Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you really don't see them. And then you know,
Speaker 1: you get them coaches that they don't like day White.
Speaker 2: So now they.
Speaker 1: Standing in the Yeah you smiling and laughing because you
Speaker 1: know exactly what I'm talking about and talk about. They
Speaker 1: got it, They got a game plan. Wasn't until eight,
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. They could have left at seven. The nine
Speaker 1: o'clock them dudes, is today day like this?
Speaker 2: Yeah coach?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to sit in here till yeah time
Speaker 1: about eleven eleven thirty twelve. So yeah, I'm probably just
Speaker 1: gonna sleep on the air man, Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: See you tomorrow. Like that's what they doing. They're not
Speaker 2: even going home, and so I ain't doing that, Like
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to coach with a coach and the
Speaker 1: coaching staff where they in there till like ten eleven twelve.
Speaker 2: Sometime they in there till one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: Bro, are you getting you getting? You're getting teen on
Speaker 1: Mondays and Tuesdays?
Speaker 2: Easy.
Speaker 1: But from what I've been told, like that's the old
Speaker 1: school coaches. That's the Bill Cowers, the now the Sean
Speaker 1: Payton's all the coaches that came under Parcels probably Dan Campbell,
Speaker 1: them new age coaches, the Sean mcbays, the Matt Lafleor's no, no, no,
Speaker 1: they out of there like eight o'clock, nine o'clock.
Speaker 2: Max, that's still eight nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: You got to realize something like you're in there now
Speaker 1: for me, like, okay, you're in there.
Speaker 2: They're in there most of.
Speaker 1: Time before the players get say him five and at
Speaker 1: the lady and then they're there. Are another at least
Speaker 1: three to five hours after the players league, especially once
Speaker 1: you get into it into the season. Now they got
Speaker 1: to break down and practice stuff. They got to do
Speaker 1: all that, get ready to prepare something else for the
Speaker 1: next for the next day. Like it's not I'm not,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't love it like that.
Speaker 1: I do, but I'm I don't love it enough to
Speaker 1: not have a relationship with my kids. And it could
Speaker 1: be because I never met my dad or damn my life.
Speaker 2: I'm a junior. I'm Taraj Schuschmanzaein junior. I never met senior.
Speaker 2: I don't even know him. I don't know what he
Speaker 2: looked like.
Speaker 1: I don't know him, and so that could be why
Speaker 1: I am the way that I am. Never met him.
Speaker 1: And I want to make sure that I'm present for
Speaker 1: my kids. I don't want to just be around. I
Speaker 1: want to be present. I want to go watch their games.
Speaker 1: I want to go to school activities. When my kids
Speaker 1: is playing bro, me and my wife, we ain't miss
Speaker 1: a practice or game, like we sitting there and practice
Speaker 1: chilling like all the parents drop their kids off, they gone.
Speaker 1: We just sit there and were watching practice. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: ain't going to mean for with our son, like I'm
Speaker 1: not the only part of it. Like ownership, Oh I
Speaker 1: for sure. I like that also because I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the owner that people want to work for me.
Speaker 2: Like I believe when you own.
Speaker 1: Anything, if you treat your employees like they matter, you
Speaker 1: treat them with the purpose, you make them feel appreciated,
Speaker 1: they gonna go above and beyond.
Speaker 2: And that's the type of owner that I would.
Speaker 1: Be, because your employees are gonna be a reflection of
Speaker 1: how great or how bad your business is and how
Speaker 1: it grows. And so I'm a treat I kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of disagree with that in
Speaker 1: the football terms, because rather you like or dislike your owner,
Speaker 1: I can still advance myself by making sure the players
Speaker 1: that are under my tuolage do well, and I can
Speaker 1: get out of that situation and advance myself. When you're
Speaker 1: talking about a different kind of business, then yeah, I
Speaker 1: understand that you.
Speaker 2: Make sure they do well.
Speaker 1: And add if you I credit my linebacker coach Keith
Speaker 1: Butler with my development, he should I consider he is the.
Speaker 2: Coldest colders linebacker coach I ever had.
Speaker 1: He was able to teach me the game so that
Speaker 1: I could I could understand it because he played the position.
Speaker 1: He understood when he was asking me to do something
Speaker 1: that was difficult, and you know what, you might not
Speaker 1: be able to get it done all the time, but
Speaker 1: this is what you need to do. He gave me
Speaker 1: different things that I could do at the position that
Speaker 1: still translated. He played back in the seventies, eighties, whatever
Speaker 1: it was, he's still translated.
Speaker 2: No, he's done now. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then when you went to you left Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: went to Cincinnati, who was your linebacker coach? You got
Speaker 1: me racking my head now, okay, don't lie though. Was
Speaker 1: he trash or was he good? I really didn't have
Speaker 1: to learn anything then, to be honest with you, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You, So everything that you were taking Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: you just kind of carried that.
Speaker 2: You already had. Yeah, already had with me, it already had.
Speaker 2: So I guess position it varies, man, this ship varies.
Speaker 1: Gunthers. That sound right, Gunther guna ye yeah, PAULI che yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I guess it's different about positions because at the
Speaker 1: receiver position.
Speaker 2: You on your own. Bro, you are on your own.
Speaker 1: If you don't get better outside of the building, Man,
Speaker 1: you done.
Speaker 2: Thanks teaching to snap down and to come back and
Speaker 2: all the other stuff.
Speaker 1: How they gonna teach it? They ain't never done it.
Speaker 1: They YouTube coaches. Hey, I ain't gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: That's something that I really believe helps players is getting
Speaker 1: a player to come in and coach. But jack players
Speaker 1: can know in respect. We talk about this all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you unlike the h A chat
Speaker 1: with like some of your former teammates, like a text
Speaker 1: thread or.
Speaker 2: Yall got man, listen, I got up out of there. Man.
Speaker 1: You get into one of them. Man, you look at
Speaker 1: your phone. You know, you don't check the everything. You
Speaker 1: go back ten minutes later, it's one hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 2: Ta, you ain't got to read them. You gotta read
Speaker 2: them all just to catch up.
Speaker 1: Nah, I don't do that, So I'm in. I'm in
Speaker 1: those right, chat, Ain't it?
Speaker 2: Also?
Speaker 1: Sometimes like me and everybody don't always comment, But I
Speaker 1: say that to say is we talk about that all
Speaker 1: the time. Is coaches are intimidated by former players. If
Speaker 1: they weren't a former player, they a intimidated by that pause.
Speaker 1: The current players are going to listen to you more
Speaker 1: than they listen today, coach, and they feel threatened.
Speaker 2: They feel threatened, like.
Speaker 1: Bro, if Buddy plays well, you getting all the credit,
Speaker 1: they not gonna get me nonhing, Like why do you
Speaker 1: feel threatened?
Speaker 2: I'm not taking your job? That to me is the
Speaker 2: like the receiver position.
Speaker 1: It's probably five good coaches in the league, Bro, five
Speaker 1: the rest of them.
Speaker 2: Get on YouTube.
Speaker 1: They'll see so and so run a really good route
Speaker 1: and think that's how you run all your routes. No,
Speaker 1: that was just a mistake play Literally, DV played that position.
Speaker 1: That's what he needed to do. Like, you can't run
Speaker 1: every route like that that d d ain't gonna.
Speaker 2: Play that thing the same way.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've seen it first had and I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna name the team.
Speaker 2: I'm not No, I'm not do that. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do it, even name the coach. But what teams you
Speaker 2: played on? No, No, I didn't play for this coach
Speaker 2: and I didn't play for this team. Okay, what teams
Speaker 2: did you play for? Then? I played?
Speaker 1: I went Sinci, Seattle, Baltimore, the Raiders. My last year
Speaker 1: with the Raiders, I should have played.
Speaker 2: So we know it ain't them.
Speaker 1: No, it ain't none of those teams. Okay, too many teams.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna figure this one out. But this coach,
Speaker 1: bro saw him there I'm watching and he started to
Speaker 1: implement drills and teach guys how to do this. Noah,
Speaker 1: don't get me here, man, No, this is a truth.
Speaker 1: This is a true story. I know what you're about
Speaker 1: to say. Man, he got you doing the drill that
Speaker 1: don't even correlate to anything that's gonna happen on one player.
Speaker 1: And believe me, I know I've seen it. And so
Speaker 1: hold up though. So one of the players, one of
Speaker 1: the starters, was he wasn't practicing. So I'm standing watching.
Speaker 1: He's standing next to me and he talking like this
Speaker 1: with his hand over us. Now so the coach nobody
Speaker 1: can read his lips because you know it's cameras, and
Speaker 1: he was like, you agree with this?
Speaker 2: I was like nah. He was like, I know you
Speaker 2: don't agree with this. Bullshit.
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know why he got us doing this.
Speaker 1: And so then the other players he come asking me
Speaker 1: throughout the day and the next day because I went
Speaker 1: to a couple of the practices and so then the
Speaker 1: coach asked me, like what do you think? And I said,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with it, but I won't undermine you.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna teach them something different than you teaching
Speaker 1: because this is your job.
Speaker 2: I won't do that.
Speaker 1: But they feel so threatened that they don't want you
Speaker 1: a ram. That is the problem. Like you gotta get
Speaker 1: receiver position. If you don't get better on your own,
Speaker 1: it's a rap. And that's why I think the receivers
Speaker 1: coming in are much better now because they are getting
Speaker 1: better on their own.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: They may run into a trash trainer here and there,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, these dudes is getting better
Speaker 1: on their own because coaches, and they know this. Offensive
Speaker 1: line coaches, they don't want to bring in a former
Speaker 1: player because the majority of the former player is gonna
Speaker 1: teach something different than what the old line coach is
Speaker 1: teaching because.
Speaker 2: He ain't never done it.
Speaker 1: There's some good ones, but the majority of them mark
Speaker 1: the receiver coaches though, bro, I promise you, man, it's comical.
Speaker 1: It's comical. Like oh no, no, no, no, believe me. I've
Speaker 1: I've heard, I've heard of things that nods.
Speaker 2: That I trained.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Literally, man, I can show you, text me, I put
Speaker 1: up here, but then you'll see the name and they'll
Speaker 1: figure out who the coach is. But like they literally
Speaker 1: will call and text me and be like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: this dude don't know anything. He's like nothing.
Speaker 2: Man, listen, listen, just listen.
Speaker 1: I've seen I heard I heard a linebacker drill where
Speaker 1: they had the linebackers like you shuffle, punch over the bag,
Speaker 1: then you then you then you passed russ, you stripped
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and then you dropped for it.
Speaker 2: Then you dropped for a pass to pick it off.
Speaker 2: That was all that, Yeah, that was all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I'm like okay, and then you know, everybody
Speaker 1: trying to reinvent the whell you know what I'm saying, like, no,
Speaker 1: stick with you know, stick with or work you want
Speaker 1: to come up with this, you want to be the
Speaker 1: mastermind in this new defense that got fifty thousand gaps
Speaker 1: in it. You know it's not gonna work. If people think, oh,
Speaker 1: you in the NFL, it's the best of the best.
Speaker 1: When it comes to coaching, that's not the case. No,
Speaker 1: You've got some great coaches, but you got some terrible
Speaker 1: l ass co Like there's good doctors, there's bad doctors.
Speaker 2: Yes, you have police officers. There's bad police officers.
Speaker 1: There's good teachers, there's bad teachers, and some of them
Speaker 1: coaches are bad teachers. And they don't realize that. I
Speaker 1: just know at the receiver position, it's very few, and
Speaker 1: they the ones they know who they are. Yards with
Speaker 1: the Rams, great mccardal with the Vikes, great a Dub
Speaker 1: with the Saints, great, uh, Sean Jefferson great.
Speaker 2: I don't even know where Sean at now, and I
Speaker 2: probably left out like two more. That's it, Troy.
Speaker 1: Everybody else, everybody else is trash and they and they
Speaker 1: know it. They know it. They okay, they getting on YouTube,
Speaker 1: Instagram and teaching some that ain't realistic, but they think
Speaker 1: they right. They really be thinking they're right. And I
Speaker 1: just believe me, man, I totally. I've seen I've heard
Speaker 1: of it sometimes I've seen it, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: down near every position, but one TJ. He would like
Speaker 1: to get in the front office. TJ would like to
Speaker 1: get on. I'll be a called ass on. You also
Speaker 1: got to realize, like some some coaches that are in
Speaker 1: that position may not hire a guy that they that
Speaker 1: could do a better job because maybe they're threat you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want to have they don't want to have
Speaker 1: to have any pushback, you know, at any of their
Speaker 1: you know, coaching positions, at any of their you know,
Speaker 1: coordinator positions.
Speaker 2: They want to be able to do what they want
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: So you know, you get you know, you may get
Speaker 1: guys that are getting hired and the like, who is that?
Speaker 2: Who is that? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's probably somebody that can do the job,
Speaker 1: but they're going to be easily pushed around. They're not
Speaker 1: going to push back on anything. And you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta realize you get hired by somebody. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't do too much pushing anyway unless y'all have a
Speaker 1: relationship built already where y'all have an understanding because you
Speaker 1: can lose your job when he said, coaches talk to
Speaker 1: you like you the son and they the daddy.
Speaker 2: And that's another reason.
Speaker 1: Like if I'm not highly up here, like man, ain't
Speaker 1: no way ahead a grown man that's gonna yell at
Speaker 1: me and disrespect me. And I don't second nothing. I'm
Speaker 1: not sitting there taking that. I'm not sitting there taking that.
Speaker 1: So I'm getting fired first, second, third day, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know you. I'm gonna look at it. Who the
Speaker 2: fuck are you talking to?
Speaker 1: That's the first That's what I would get your They're
Speaker 1: gonna be called a security argument, but it is a
Speaker 1: lot of that, and we're gonna transition then is it's
Speaker 1: out confrontational, but it's confrontation on the business world. This
Speaker 1: is we doing this for Chad because my boy Chad
Speaker 1: is a huge soccer fan. In Europe, they call it
Speaker 1: football killing. Ibope, you watch a little soccer, you know
Speaker 1: that is who the fuck is ut?
Speaker 2: Okay? He a little light skin he called in soccer
Speaker 2: though he called.
Speaker 1: So he sues PSG for sixty one million dollars in
Speaker 1: unpaid wages. Now sixty one thousand, sixty one elms in
Speaker 1: unpaid wages. I don't know like the ins and outs
Speaker 1: of it, but sixty one million. So I bring that
Speaker 1: up to say, at one point in time you was
Speaker 1: up for contract negotiations, did you ever have any moments
Speaker 1: where you just was heated and it just went less? No?
Speaker 2: I let I really let my agent take care of
Speaker 2: all of that. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk directly to anybody, because you know, that's
Speaker 1: what you're aident is there for to be the middle man,
Speaker 1: to be to be the person that I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say something reckless and crazy to him
Speaker 1: and he go put it into good words, you know,
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 2: So I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to I didn't talk to anybody when
Speaker 1: I when I did my contract negotiation, when you would
Speaker 1: actual agent like hey, what's going on, and he would
Speaker 1: tell you like it didn't kind of piss you off
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: It just depends on what it is. And and a.
Speaker 1: Lot of the negotiation stuff that you know I was
Speaker 1: going through, it was you got to realize you start
Speaker 1: they starting low, they starting low, they low balling you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they low balling you. And like my first time ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was hot. He was like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: This is what this is how it goes. This is
Speaker 1: what happens. You know what I'm saying. So you know,
Speaker 1: once I realized that, you know, you just go back
Speaker 1: to them real fast, like Nope, not happening, come back
Speaker 1: with something else. I don't know if it happened to
Speaker 1: me like that, but when I when I left the Bengals,
Speaker 1: I had a certain number in my mind, like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna compare me to this receiver. Cool, I'm gonna compare
Speaker 1: myself to that same receiver. Oh, my stats are now
Speaker 1: better than that receiver. I'm doing more than this receiver.
Speaker 1: So now I'm gonna compare myself to this receiver. And
Speaker 1: I think what happens is when you see yourself here
Speaker 1: and the team sees you here, it starts to get
Speaker 1: a little personal. I know when I left the Bengals,
Speaker 1: I left it was strictly a financial decision.
Speaker 2: It wasn't you. I'm a dude.
Speaker 1: I get comfortable and if I can make it work,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it work, and that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. But it was like I was drafted late.
Speaker 1: You were undrafted. We we got to get every dollar
Speaker 1: a week and get finally be taking those discounts. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm getting frustrated about, like, y'all really offering
Speaker 1: me this. I was underpaid the last three years, so
Speaker 1: y'all got me at a discount for three years.
Speaker 2: Now you're really gonna try to load. So I was.
Speaker 1: I was frustrated, and so that's why I left Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and went to Seattle. And then the Bengals turned around
Speaker 1: and they signed Antonio O'Brien. Antoniobrian went to Pick and
Speaker 1: there they basically gave him what you want to be, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a little more more than they offered me, but
Speaker 1: a little less than what I wanted, right. Okay, he
Speaker 1: played there one year, one season, so he got like
Speaker 1: thirteen thirteen million guaranteed, one season done. They released me,
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing. I don't know if he was hurt
Speaker 1: or not, because he was a baller. Then the next year, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm off they signed Laverniest First. They sign Lavernius Coles first,
Speaker 1: got rid of him after one year. The next year
Speaker 1: they signed Antonio Bryant. That's what it was. So those
Speaker 1: two seasons was twenty four million in guaranteed money that
Speaker 1: they gave both of them. If they would have given
Speaker 1: that shit to me, I would have walked from California
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati to sign that guy straight up. And so
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a like a baden. It was just
Speaker 1: like I couldn't believe it because that year, the year
Speaker 1: that I left, they actually made the playoffs and they
Speaker 1: played the Jets, and that's when they put Reavis on
Speaker 1: Chad and the other receiver couldn't get open. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I was there, we would have won because I
Speaker 1: for sure gonna get open. That's a nick in tea.
Speaker 1: I'm getting open. And all y'all had to do was
Speaker 1: slide me a few more millions. But y'all end up
Speaker 1: giving these dudes twenty four over two years, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: that hurt me in the pocket, and it hurt them
Speaker 1: on the field and in the pocket because they didn't
Speaker 1: get no return on their investment the playoff game, so
Speaker 1: they had made more money off of that. And so
Speaker 1: that for me was like the only time that I
Speaker 1: went through a negotiation that I felt like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Is kind of pissing me off. And then you see
Speaker 2: what happens, like you I left here, that's a little different.
Speaker 2: I never went to I never went through anything like that.
Speaker 1: And like no loud or it kind of pisses you
Speaker 1: off because you're calling your agent like, hey, what's going on.
Speaker 2: Ah, they at this number. You think they're gonna get up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Then they call you a couple of
Speaker 2: days later. You see that. You'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: something that happened. What's up? Same thing.
Speaker 1: So then you start to get frustrated because every time
Speaker 1: you talk to him, it's the same thing. Nah, I
Speaker 1: ain't move yet. Nah, it ain't move yet. So then
Speaker 1: at a certain time you're like, man, they don't even
Speaker 1: take they calls. No more fucking we leaving, don't take
Speaker 1: their calls. I don't get the fuck Like. It starts
Speaker 1: to make you rangy. So then when you're regn, you
Speaker 1: happy that you resigned, but you still had that animosity
Speaker 1: over the months of them bs and thenh fuck him.
Speaker 1: Na So for me, yeah, but damn I'll show I
Speaker 1: know they regret that because twenty four million over two
Speaker 1: years at that time, that's twelve many year.
Speaker 2: The highest paid receiver in the league.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken back then was probably twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 2: And then I go to Seattle and I was making
Speaker 2: eighty year.
Speaker 1: I think I was like the sixth seventh highs paid
Speaker 1: receiver in the league at that point. But the Bengals
Speaker 1: could have had me, and they gave that money to
Speaker 1: two other guys. And it was just unfortunate because Leburnie
Speaker 1: his cause when he was with the Jets and at
Speaker 1: the time the Reskins, he was a baller. And then
Speaker 1: then On o'brown was a baller also. He was just
Speaker 1: a hot heir. You remember when he threw this jersey
Speaker 1: and Bill Parcell's face. They had that all on ESPN,
Speaker 1: no id CA. Yeah what Bill Parcells says, something crazy
Speaker 1: Tantonio Brian and he wouldn't take he he was the
Speaker 1: original a.
Speaker 2: B Okay, Okay, he was the original a b.
Speaker 1: He took his jersey off, bro, you gotta took his
Speaker 1: jersey through a right in Bill Parcell's face. And you
Speaker 1: know Bill Parcells at that time, he had a reputation
Speaker 1: like run up on him if you want to.
Speaker 2: Type of coach.
Speaker 1: He ran up on him and call security got him
Speaker 1: up out of there when he was with the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you google that, Yeah, I want to check that out. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think we have a clip of this man.
Speaker 2: This is crazy. What what a father? His son is.
Speaker 1: A about to play Pop Warner football?
Speaker 2: Right then?
Speaker 1: When he found out how much much it costs. I
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't say he went crazy, but he was.
Speaker 2: He was. He was a little upset about the cost
Speaker 2: of it. So how much? World? Look? Check it out?
Speaker 3: Why does it cold so much to play pop winning football?
Speaker 3: Why is it six twenty for one of my kids
Speaker 3: one to play taco football? I know him a little
Speaker 3: bit older. When I was coming up, it was fifty dollars.
Speaker 3: That was a special to my mama at the time.
Speaker 3: But being realistic, that was not a spensive But six twenty.
Speaker 3: What is money going? This money going somewhere? Somebody please
Speaker 3: tell me?
Speaker 2: Why is is this? What you do you think that's
Speaker 2: a lot?
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of money. Like you said
Speaker 1: when we played it was it was a lot cheaper.
Speaker 1: But also I don't think it was Listen but.
Speaker 4: Changed fifty dollars inflation number one? Yes, times of time,
Speaker 4: and we both of us and we older than him.
Speaker 4: He looked like he young, we both older than him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but now you know, times haven't change. You got you
Speaker 4: got different sets of rules in place. You gotta realize,
Speaker 4: like is it uh, like are they paying.
Speaker 2: For the uniform? Do they get to keep the uniform?
Speaker 2: The helmets? Like the helmets themselves? The helmet.
Speaker 1: Everybody got to get their own helmets, shoulder pads, cleats.
Speaker 2: You that you have to get on your own.
Speaker 1: They got to get that by themselves without the team
Speaker 1: giving it to them. Shoulder pads and helmets and cleats. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's only win my kids. My kids get shouler pass
Speaker 1: and helmets from the school, high school, from the organism
Speaker 1: or from the organization that they're playing with.
Speaker 2: Pop Warner.
Speaker 1: That's like pee wee, right, yeah, the same thing. Nah,
Speaker 1: not out here or that now here. You you getting
Speaker 1: a uniform and a field to practice at.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: So you got to buy your health. That's not with
Speaker 1: helmet and shoulder pasts. No, that's crazy. They got to control.
Speaker 1: Somebody's stealing, somebody putting money in their pocket. They feeding
Speaker 1: the kids, and what are they doing? Are they feeding
Speaker 1: the kids out there are they like it gotta be
Speaker 1: something else going into that. If you look at it,
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be twenty to thirty kids. Right, twenty
Speaker 1: to thirty kids, uh at six hundred. Let's just say
Speaker 1: as thirty kids. That's eighteen thousand, right, eight ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You're practicing two to three times a week. How much
Speaker 1: you think they charge you for the field per day?
Speaker 1: Let's say one hundred dollars an hour because you got
Speaker 1: the lights that right there. If you just practicing two hours, uh,
Speaker 1: three days a week, two four six, that's twenty four
Speaker 1: hundred just the practice field and you're going for four months,
Speaker 1: So that right there is down near ten grand just
Speaker 1: with field. We'n through just to practice ten grand. So
Speaker 1: now we're working with eight thousand dollars. Now what that
Speaker 1: intels maybe is to get them the snacks after the
Speaker 1: game or pregame. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 1: I think now and today's that's about right, because this
Speaker 1: is what happens.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: A lot of the coaches that coach you football, they
Speaker 1: end up spending their money. Oh yeah, there are money
Speaker 1: on these kids. And granted, some coaches can afford it.
Speaker 1: Others can't. But I don't know how it is in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: But out here my son is not. He's yet to
Speaker 1: play tackle football. He will be playing next year, but
Speaker 1: he's yet to play it. But I just know from
Speaker 1: people that I've talked to, Oh man, these parents have
Speaker 1: no loyalty to zero.
Speaker 2: So soon as you do something wrong, even your team, they.
Speaker 1: Going to somebody else. But you don't put two three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars into her or his son. But you piss
Speaker 1: him off, or they feel like another team is better,
Speaker 1: or they son has now gotten better, so we can
Speaker 1: go get on a better team.
Speaker 2: Keep leaving. Well, that's what the fee for. You want
Speaker 2: to leave, go ahead and leave it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold onto this money exactly exactly. But now
Speaker 1: you get a coach that's kind of footing the bill
Speaker 1: out his pocket and then they leave. Now it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's how they're gonna do me, cause so I don't
Speaker 1: that's six hundred dollars feet I don't remember how much.
Speaker 1: If you're footing the bill for a kid, the talent
Speaker 1: is worth you taking a chance of footing that bill,
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why you foot it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the chance you take.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know when you going and you know what, Oh
Speaker 1: you can't afford it. Okay, listen, let me do this.
Speaker 1: You know, I got it, I got I got it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take care of this. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take care of that. So now like sick time come
Speaker 1: they upset he didn't get enough snaps, he didn't get.
Speaker 2: This, or or I don't in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if you can go from team
Speaker 2: to team.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the rules work, like if you
Speaker 1: leave in the middle of the season, can you play
Speaker 1: for another team? But that that is I didn't play
Speaker 1: Pop more than coming up, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: But if I thought it was.
Speaker 1: Like one hundred dollars, bro like one fifty, but six
Speaker 1: hundred day, like that's that's it. If it was a
Speaker 1: hundred right now, dude, it's a it's still a fee.
Speaker 1: My kids, you know they played the public school. Still
Speaker 1: a fee, and it's you know, it's it's a little
Speaker 1: less than that, but it's six hundred though, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's to me. I think that spirit Buddy Act
Speaker 1: like like he was flat fifty dollars. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they feed them and all that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like fifty dollars worth, Like he talking about it, he's
Speaker 1: used to being fed one where you're playing man two
Speaker 1: at the parking lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to get a park, a field, a
Speaker 2: high school.
Speaker 1: Now if you practice there are certain cases I know
Speaker 1: out here when you have a really good organization and
Speaker 1: a really good team you get you use one of
Speaker 1: these high schools out here to practice that because your
Speaker 1: team is so good and your players are so good,
Speaker 1: they hoping that some of those players attend the high
Speaker 1: school that you practice at, so they'll let you use
Speaker 1: their fields. Outside of that, man, you football, just being
Speaker 1: a coach is expensive. And like I coached my son
Speaker 1: seven on seven. Uh, this past spring we went ten
Speaker 1: and oher won the championship. We went blow them out
Speaker 1: thirty five zero the championship game. You know, Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: a brag a little bit, but we beat the ass.
Speaker 1: Beat the ass, right, wow, you beat the kids out.
Speaker 2: Okay, but the cup but this no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: The coach really was like talking shit, like I think
Speaker 1: they thought they beat my homie team.
Speaker 2: In a semi theyve been So you gotta realize this.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 1: They weren't. They weren't beating your kids. They were beating
Speaker 1: you exactly. They were beating you. It has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the kids. Yes, it's now I get an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go out here as a coach, but my
Speaker 1: kids is playing and I get to beat Hugh sman Zada. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tear his ass up because I know better
Speaker 1: than him. I could have played in the league. And
Speaker 1: you know what, now's my chance and opportunity for my
Speaker 1: son to do what it is I should have did
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: If they had just gained me his shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you they I know it's I know it's
Speaker 1: like that. They'll tell their kid to really go at
Speaker 1: my son. So that's why my son know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like they I told. I told my kids that. I said, listen, man,
Speaker 1: it's people right now. It's telling their son to try
Speaker 1: and tear your head off. You hold on, Hey the
Speaker 1: luck boy, I'll be at the game.
Speaker 2: Dominate the ass dominate.
Speaker 1: They asked, my son got a bad baketball game that
Speaker 1: he's going to when he about to leave, So yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as we've done with this podcast, I'm going
Speaker 1: to the gym. Hey Foot on throats, boy foot on throats.
Speaker 1: We ain't playing no games today. So yeah, yeah, sorry
Speaker 1: y'all they walk off, Carol, Yeah, yeah good. So we
Speaker 1: did the seven on seven right, and we had some
Speaker 1: kids that come from the inner city, cool parents and
Speaker 1: they probably could afforded it too, even though they come
Speaker 1: from the city.
Speaker 2: Parents were successful, and so uh me and another coach.
Speaker 1: The other coach got the uniforms and then I paid
Speaker 1: the entry fee.
Speaker 2: Because the majority.
Speaker 1: But the parents could afford it, but not everybody, right,
Speaker 1: So he was just like, I get the uniforms, and
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, then I got the entry
Speaker 1: feet in entry fee was more than the uniforms. Cool,
Speaker 1: but when it comes to like, it's expensive and it's
Speaker 1: hard for parents to budget that, Like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the entry fee was. Was it fifteen fifteen or
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred? And it was only six weeks. You play everyday,
Speaker 1: you play every Sunday. You get two games on a Sunday,
Speaker 1: two games on a sunner's total or per kid, no, no,
Speaker 1: no total total total. But we only playing with seven
Speaker 1: eight kids, eight kids. We probably played with eight, sometimes
Speaker 1: we'd be at seven. And so that's a little over too.
Speaker 1: If we had divided it, it's a little over two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per kid. And then you do the uniform.
Speaker 1: It's probably the uniforms I think ended up being like
Speaker 1: nine hundred, So everybody's uniform was about a hundred. So
Speaker 1: then now that's three hundred dollars per kid. But it's
Speaker 1: only a six week season. Parents can't afford that, and
Speaker 1: so I was like, yeah, yeah, I got it, not
Speaker 1: a big deal.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: That's just seven on seven for that sixth period, I
Speaker 1: mean six week ton frame. What happened when you go
Speaker 1: play top what happened if you go play basketball, what
Speaker 1: happened if you try to play other sports? And that's
Speaker 1: what I do want to get into is the one
Speaker 1: sport athlete. So just bring that up when you talk
Speaker 1: other sports. But the six hundred dollars, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was I don't think it was an out way.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't, I don't. I don't think that
Speaker 2: was out of out of pocket.
Speaker 1: It wasn't astronomical too, you know, to think that it
Speaker 1: would be uh to think it would be fifty dollars
Speaker 1: is out of control though, you know it is astronomical
Speaker 1: because when you go get a helmet, like you get
Speaker 1: a good helmet, that's probably six hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
Speaker 1: That you get you get you get that new one.
Speaker 1: What is it the flex something Steve Flex. No, it's
Speaker 1: a different one, dude. It's the one where they actually
Speaker 1: put it on their head and uh they three D
Speaker 1: image it and then go make the helmet. So that's
Speaker 1: like that's like eight hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So you gotta go lie that when
Speaker 2: you James Harrison, they're gonna give you that ship for free. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it costs, so just ain't paying it.
Speaker 2: You know, you're usually you paid for it, but you
Speaker 2: don't know what I paid for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like your shoulder pads, like yeah, lay sports is
Speaker 1: expensive and a lot of time the coaches take on
Speaker 1: that expense. So your parents that's listening shows some type
Speaker 1: of loyalty because they doing it for your kid. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they doing it because the kid is good, but it's
Speaker 1: some kids that aren't good that they also doing it for.
Speaker 1: Because the kid, it keeps him off the streets, it
Speaker 1: gives him something to do and maybe he'll develop.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: I was a zero star recruit coming out of high
Speaker 1: school and played a long time. You run drafted and
Speaker 1: you're about to you're gonna be in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and so you just never know.