Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, sitting alongside my partner in crime,
Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. The Packers wrapped up their
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen season on Sunday at lambeau Field, and
Speaker 1: to be brutally honest, it just wasn't pretty. Thirty one
Speaker 1: to nothing a loss to the Detroit Lions. The Packers
Speaker 1: finished the season six nine and one. It's one of
Speaker 1: these games that started poorly and just continue to get worse.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers leaves with a concussion, backup quarterback to Shaun
Speaker 1: Kaiser already in a fourteen to nothing hole, isn't able
Speaker 1: to get anything going offensively, and the Lions just kind
Speaker 1: of kept tacking on some points here and there, and
Speaker 1: the result was actually the Lions first shutout of the
Speaker 1: Packers at lambeau Field since nineteen seventy if you can
Speaker 1: believe that. Yeah, actually I looked that up after the
Speaker 1: game last night. So um, yeah, just a rough way
Speaker 1: to end what had been a rough season for Green Bay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no if fans or butts about it, Mike, and
Speaker 1: not the performance the Packers were looking for, I said,
Speaker 1: and Saturday's inbox and I mentioned it on Friday. You
Speaker 1: wanted to finish strong. It was a pretty simple mindset.
Speaker 1: You built some momentum winning two of their last three.
Speaker 1: It was a small moral victory, but yet you got
Speaker 1: the wins that you were looking to get. They just
Speaker 1: were not able to carry it over. And once Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers left the ball game. I'm not saying that that
Speaker 1: took anything out of the team or anything or it,
Speaker 1: but it did, you know, I mean, you could just
Speaker 1: see there was a deflating kind of aspect to it.
Speaker 1: To Rogers credit, and Corey Linsley spoke about this in
Speaker 1: the locker room afterwards. Rogers was was very emotional when
Speaker 1: he got taken out of the game and had to
Speaker 1: go back to get the concussion protocol to start that process,
Speaker 1: and Lindsley said, I mean that really spoke volumes about
Speaker 1: him and in some extent this Packers season, and that
Speaker 1: the game was meaningless other than really draft position. That
Speaker 1: was the one thing. You're trying to build some moral victories,
Speaker 1: You're trying to get some you know, give you something
Speaker 1: to feel good about going in the off season, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day in the win lost
Speaker 1: column and had no bearing on what things are gonna
Speaker 1: look like today, whether or not the Packers wanted lost
Speaker 1: that game. Aaron Rodgers though, it was more than that
Speaker 1: to him. He wanted to finish this thing on a
Speaker 1: high note. It made David Bakti want to stay on
Speaker 1: the field. Corey Lindsley played every offensive snap. Those guys
Speaker 1: were motivated to be out there. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you have to be able to play well.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to win the game, and
Speaker 1: the Packers just not did not do that against the Lions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of a lot of disappointment in
Speaker 1: terms of how this game went, and not not just
Speaker 1: that Rogers left with a concussion. We haven't really been
Speaker 1: given any updates on on that um in the concussion protocol,
Speaker 1: Rogers doesn't speak to the media and and there haven't
Speaker 1: haven't been any discussions of of how he's doing. But
Speaker 1: when you look on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it, Wes. It just it
Speaker 1: seemed like it seemed like this defense under Mike Petton
Speaker 1: was was showing a lot of strides on a lot
Speaker 1: of progress. And granted, they're playing with a lot of
Speaker 1: young guys out there, a lot of backups, you know,
Speaker 1: reaching into the depth, but so were the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: on on both sides of the ball, quite frankly, and
Speaker 1: it just it felt like even the defensive side, which
Speaker 1: I thought was was really the uptick for the Packers
Speaker 1: this season in took a step backward as well. We
Speaker 1: were seeing miss tackles and and just you know runs
Speaker 1: by you know, let's face it, a number three running
Speaker 1: back in Zach Center that he's just kind of pushing
Speaker 1: the pile and the Packers can't get him on the ground.
Speaker 1: And Detroit was really just controlling the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: And it was the it was the kind of defensive
Speaker 1: effort that we really hadn't seen because of the progress
Speaker 1: that had been made, and and just everything kind of
Speaker 1: took a step backward in this final game. I don't
Speaker 1: want to disrespect anybody, because these guys are going out there,
Speaker 1: they're laying it on the line. There was a young,
Speaker 1: hungry players that were trying to prove themselves in this atmosphere,
Speaker 1: but realistically, Mike and really the last forty five minutes
Speaker 1: of regulation that ballgame, it almost seemed more like a
Speaker 1: preseason game to me, just with the you know, the
Speaker 1: guys that are being rotated in and you know, again,
Speaker 1: I give credit to Capri Bibbs, I give credit to
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys that have just been came
Speaker 1: in within the last couple of weeks and have been
Speaker 1: you know, thrust on the field. But that isn't the
Speaker 1: way that this team was set up back in September,
Speaker 1: back in August, and unfortunately for them, just so many
Speaker 1: different dominoes happened. Now, No, don't get me wrong, Packers
Speaker 1: didn't play well. There's six nine and one. Because they
Speaker 1: didn't play well. I I'm not gonna you know, think that,
Speaker 1: oh just because you know, fifteen guys ended up on
Speaker 1: I R and they went through all these things. This
Speaker 1: is why they were Yeah, does it affect you, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But it's a hundred percent injury rate, as everyone always
Speaker 1: likes to say, every team deals with. The Packers were
Speaker 1: not able to respond to it this season, but it
Speaker 1: is I mean I looked at that defensive front. You
Speaker 1: tip your cap to Tyler Lancaster, You tip your cap
Speaker 1: to Dean Lowry. Those guys stepped their game up. Lowry
Speaker 1: had the best year of his career in my estimation,
Speaker 1: but they weren't the starting defensive alignment at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year. Kyler Facral stepped up, but you didn't
Speaker 1: have Nick Perry. It's just it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where it was a trick. It was a war of
Speaker 1: an attrition for Packers this season, and in losing thirty
Speaker 1: one and nothing in the end result in what the
Speaker 1: product looked like in the players that were available in
Speaker 1: that last one. Unfortunately for the Packers, it it was almost,
Speaker 1: i think, to some extent of self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and even from a statistical standpoint, a big letdown finding
Speaker 1: out ninety minutes before kickoff that Davante Adams would not
Speaker 1: be able to suit up for this week's seventeen game.
Speaker 1: We had talked about it for, you know, all week long,
Speaker 1: coming off the Jets game when he had eleven catches.
Speaker 1: He needed two catches in a hundred and thirty four
Speaker 1: yards to set a couple of single season franchise records.
Speaker 1: Certainly the opportunity would have been there, but the knee
Speaker 1: injury from the Jets game just never, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you want to call it. Never loosened up ever.
Speaker 1: You know, the sore net didn't go away. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: medical staff decided it was just, uh, there was too
Speaker 1: much risk to put Davantae Adams out there in this
Speaker 1: final game, as much as I'm sure he would have
Speaker 1: wanted to play and finish this thing out and try
Speaker 1: to get those records and uh. And that was just
Speaker 1: another certainly disappointing footnote that that Davante Adams wasn't able
Speaker 1: to finish a remarkable season for him in the way
Speaker 1: that he would have wanted. Yeah, it was unfortunate because actually,
Speaker 1: you know, Adams when he was talking to his locker
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, I mean, everybody's gonna say they're gonna try
Speaker 1: to play and they're optimistic, but Adams legitimately seemed like
Speaker 1: he thought he was gonna be able to get through
Speaker 1: this and be out there. Ye I, you gotta give
Speaker 1: a lot of credit to Pat mackenzie and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Brian Angle, everybody on the training staff side of things.
Speaker 1: They're doing the right thing for the player. You want
Speaker 1: to protect him. There's a bigger picture and play here,
Speaker 1: it's it's not you know, as far as win loss,
Speaker 1: there's no implications there, I'll be honest, though, I still
Speaker 1: wanted to see a quick wide receiver screen on the
Speaker 1: first play and get him out of there if he
Speaker 1: didn't have to catch the ball, and now he could
Speaker 1: just whip it out of bounce right away after he
Speaker 1: caught it and pull himself out for a hundred and twelve.
Speaker 1: But um, now, I mean, they're they're not going to
Speaker 1: cheat the system. If he's good to play, he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: If he's not, he's not. What a heck of a
Speaker 1: season though for him a hundred eleven catches, six yards,
Speaker 1: thirteen touchdowns. Um, I think if you asked Davante Adams
Speaker 1: and he wasn't in the final locker room session that
Speaker 1: you and I were just a part of. But I
Speaker 1: think if you ask him, I'm guessing he's not sweating
Speaker 1: this because I think in his heart of hearts, he
Speaker 1: thinks next year he's gonna come back and actually top
Speaker 1: that record, maybe all three of them. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows that the sky's the limit for this guy
Speaker 1: in his career. Certainly another statistical note definitely worth pointing
Speaker 1: out Kyler Factral gets the sack that puts him in
Speaker 1: the double digit category, and we finished the season with
Speaker 1: ten and a half sacks, and um, you know, again,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about throughout the year, a tip of
Speaker 1: your cap to this guy. Because the fan base was
Speaker 1: down on him, a lot of people outside the building
Speaker 1: were down on him. He showed up in his third season.
Speaker 1: A couple of three sack games certainly contributes a lot
Speaker 1: towards a double digit sack season. But hey, anybody who
Speaker 1: finishes with ten and a half, that's uh, that's something
Speaker 1: to be proud of. And and hopefully it's just the start,
Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg, as they say, maybe
Speaker 1: for Kyler Facula. Yeah, he said we were. I was
Speaker 1: talking with him in the locker room the final locker
Speaker 1: room session. Uh. Yeah, he wants to do it again
Speaker 1: next season. That's already his goal. He wants to sustain
Speaker 1: that success. He wants to get better against the run.
Speaker 1: Those are the challenges for him. There's a standard as
Speaker 1: far as the pass rush he has to set, and
Speaker 1: he knows that that getting better against the run is
Speaker 1: is one of those things. On the gold I do
Speaker 1: think he actually improved fastly in that capacity. This year.
Speaker 1: You can tell he was stronger. He held the edge.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only you know Nick Perry. To me,
Speaker 1: I think it is still the gold standard when he
Speaker 1: comes to holding the edge when he's healthy in that capacity.
Speaker 1: Because he's just such a big, powerful guy, it's hard
Speaker 1: to move him off the spot. But I think Facral
Speaker 1: at his size with what he brings also as a
Speaker 1: zone dropper, he talked about that. I mean, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I think rarely gets talked about with
Speaker 1: Kyler Facral's game is he might be the most natural
Speaker 1: zone zone dropping outside linebacker they've had. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: in the same breath I think with Clay Matthews in
Speaker 1: that capacity when that's required of him to fulfill that assignment.
Speaker 1: I was asking him though about this because he mentioned
Speaker 1: I've kind of sort of become the beat writer for
Speaker 1: these Mike Petton writing down your goal things at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season, and it came up again. Facral
Speaker 1: actually did have on his goal sheet for this year
Speaker 1: what he talked about with Petton for double digit sacks,
Speaker 1: and Bill Huber and I from Packer Report, we asked him, like,
Speaker 1: you really thought that was an attainable goal. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know you only had three and a half the year
Speaker 1: before you had to I think the year before that
Speaker 1: you thought that that was He's like absolutely, He's like,
Speaker 1: that's why their goals. You want to set something up
Speaker 1: for yourself that you want to strive for, regardless you
Speaker 1: know of whether or not it's realistic, that's what you're
Speaker 1: looking to achieve. So, while it was a very difficult
Speaker 1: game on Sunday and very disappointing and disheartening to end
Speaker 1: it on that note, Fatral said that that sack, when
Speaker 1: he got it there, that held a lot of meaning
Speaker 1: for him because it meant that he achieved that one
Speaker 1: individual goal that he had for the season, and whether
Speaker 1: or not he wants to admit it, he did silence
Speaker 1: a lot of doubters and critics and skeptics who some
Speaker 1: were clamoring trying to say he shouldn't even be on
Speaker 1: the fifty three this year. Imagine what happens if Brian
Speaker 1: Gooda Kunston that coaching staff doesn't have the faith that
Speaker 1: they did in Facral to be there. He ended up
Speaker 1: being their leading soccer in two thousand and eighteen and
Speaker 1: one of only four guys Mike, I thought this was
Speaker 1: a crazy stat. Only one of the four individuals over
Speaker 1: the last decade that's had double digit sacks for this defense. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the list, the list isn't that long. I mean some
Speaker 1: of those guys with the double digit sacks, like Clay
Speaker 1: Matthews and others have done it multiple times. And that's
Speaker 1: the new challenge now for Kyler Facral to add himself
Speaker 1: to that list of guys who not just do it once,
Speaker 1: but but potentially do it again. Um quickly, here West
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Speaker 1: As the Packers head into the offseason West, the big
Speaker 1: story over the next several weeks will be the new
Speaker 1: head coach and and the coaching search. We are going
Speaker 1: to essentially table that discussion until a head coach is hired,
Speaker 1: because we aren't going to hear from Mark Murphy and
Speaker 1: or Brian Goudakun until that happens. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: news reports out there about quest for interviews and guys
Speaker 1: that the Packers want to talk to. I think you
Speaker 1: and I have talked before. They might interview twelve fourteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen guys here throughout this process before it's all said
Speaker 1: and done. So um, those will be discussions for another day.
Speaker 1: But I do want to get your thoughts on just
Speaker 1: exactly what went down in Week seventeen in the NFL
Speaker 1: with these last couple of playoff spots we saw in
Speaker 1: the NFC, Um, my prediction was wrong. I thought the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, We're gonna find a way to steal that
Speaker 1: number six seed. But boy, that that Chicago Bears defense
Speaker 1: went into US Bank Stadium completely throttled that Vikings offen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say this, the Packers offense playing on
Speaker 1: the road at Soldier Field looked like it had a
Speaker 1: much better shot to beat the Bears than that Vikings
Speaker 1: offense that was in Minneapolis yesterday. Yeah. Absolutely, I do
Speaker 1: want to point out I think I actually was right
Speaker 1: on my prediction the Philadelphia Eagles squeaking into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You did, you called it? The Eagles get in, they
Speaker 1: take care of business against Washington, shut them out to
Speaker 1: be for nothing or whatever it was. And uh, the
Speaker 1: Eagles and Nick Foles, they are the six seed in
Speaker 1: Minnesota's on the outside looking at. So obviously these are
Speaker 1: professional football players, and I want to talk about the
Speaker 1: Bears here in for a second. We'll get back to that. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of taking this thing off the rails a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it's the end of the season. That fun.
Speaker 1: Did you see the thing about so Nick Foles ended
Speaker 1: up getting kind of banged up. He had to with
Speaker 1: like a rib injury or something. Right, it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be okay, but he had to come out
Speaker 1: for a little bit. He had a clause in his contract,
Speaker 1: again citing reports here, if he played thirty three of
Speaker 1: the offensive snaps for the season, he got like a
Speaker 1: one million dollar bonus. Now, hey, nick Foles is being paid. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to you know, no tears here or anything.
Speaker 1: He was he had to go out of the game.
Speaker 1: He was four snaps away, four kneel downs away from
Speaker 1: being able to to get that to get that to
Speaker 1: trigger that clause, and it is unfortunate, but hey, kudos
Speaker 1: to him. He gets a playoff bonus. Now anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, here's an extra grant to enjoy yourself, go create.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, Foles did what he does and
Speaker 1: he's by far going to be the most intriguing free
Speaker 1: agent this officer because there were some questions you know,
Speaker 1: the season and go quite how they wanted to out
Speaker 1: of the gate. It made it pretty clear that when
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was back, he was going to be the
Speaker 1: guy again. But Nick Foles is reminding everybody that there's
Speaker 1: still some magic left in those beans. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited to see what can happen for him,
Speaker 1: especially in what is going to be a quarterback star
Speaker 1: of market. There's gonna be a lot of teams that
Speaker 1: are looking for guys um, so that'll be fun to
Speaker 1: watch to see where he can take this team in
Speaker 1: the offseason. Going back to the Bears, hey man, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. They remind me a lot of the
Speaker 1: Raiders from two years ago. I know the parallels there
Speaker 1: with Kalio Mack, it makes sense, but when the Raiders
Speaker 1: went twelve and four, this Bears team reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of that. Now. Mitchell Trobinsky still has some room
Speaker 1: to grow. He still has to protect the football, but
Speaker 1: they're getting the running game going now. They are getting
Speaker 1: their pass rush going now. And to go in there,
Speaker 1: you and I have been in that environment. To go
Speaker 1: in there and just extract all the energy out of
Speaker 1: that building and dominate the way they did. I know
Speaker 1: there's a lot of angry Packer fans out there rightfully,
Speaker 1: so I get it their division rival, but the Bears
Speaker 1: are playing some really entertaining football right now. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Bears are playing some good football and that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a really good wild card matchup at Soldier Field against
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. Quickly on the a f C side
Speaker 1: of things, really entertaining the way this thing wrapped up
Speaker 1: in the a f C North, because as I was
Speaker 1: sitting at my desk working on our coverage on the
Speaker 1: website post game after the loss to Detroit, I've got
Speaker 1: my phone set up next to my computers, you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm watching UM. I was watching Bears and Vikings
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I flipped it to watch
Speaker 1: the end of the Ravens Browns game and the Steelers
Speaker 1: who need to win, and they need the Browns to
Speaker 1: beat the Ravens in order to win the a f
Speaker 1: C North to get in. The Steelers win on a
Speaker 1: walk off field goal, and then they're showing these clips
Speaker 1: of the Steelers players at Hines Field. They don't leave
Speaker 1: the field, they don't go to the locker room. They're
Speaker 1: out there standing on the sideline anywhere on the field
Speaker 1: with the fans why ching on the JumboTron as the
Speaker 1: as the Browns and Ravens game comes to a close,
Speaker 1: the Browns are down by two. They have the ball,
Speaker 1: they get across midfield, a couple of replay reviews on
Speaker 1: receptions catch no catch kind of stuff go, both of
Speaker 1: them go Cleveland's way, and they're about five to six
Speaker 1: yards away from a legitimate long field goal shot to
Speaker 1: win the game by one point. And it comes down
Speaker 1: to a fourth and ten. There's just a little too
Speaker 1: far for the field goal. They had to go for it.
Speaker 1: The Ravens end up getting the stop, so Baltimore wins.
Speaker 1: The a f C North Pittsburgh is is out of
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The drama there to me, you know, and
Speaker 1: people talk about wanting to expand the playoffs and let
Speaker 1: more teams in or whatever. The way that finished for
Speaker 1: the a f C. Other than having the Ravens and
Speaker 1: Steelers go head to head for the division title, it
Speaker 1: doesn't get any better than that. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a fantastic I thought it was a fantastic finish to
Speaker 1: uh two week seventeen in the a f C. Well,
Speaker 1: and the thing I love about it too is so
Speaker 1: many fans we dealt with this a lot in in
Speaker 1: bout We're talking about what's the point of trying to
Speaker 1: win out this stretch? Look at what the Browns did
Speaker 1: the last month of the season. They're going to get
Speaker 1: a new head coach, it appears. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: Greig Williams is still in that conversation, but that franchise
Speaker 1: right now, Man, they are not going in next year
Speaker 1: with winning aspirations they have are going in with playoff
Speaker 1: you know, run aspirations, no estructure. They're gonna be fired up.
Speaker 1: The question I guess I have for you the watching
Speaker 1: this game is what Lamar Jackson doing? Is that tenable?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Because I mean he's carrying the ball
Speaker 1: twenty times a week right now, He's getting more carries
Speaker 1: than the average NFL running back that's starting in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now. Yeah, I mean that's the thing. If
Speaker 1: you want, if you want Lamar Jackson to have a
Speaker 1: quote unquote long career in the NFL, I just don't
Speaker 1: see how you can continue to play. Maybe it works
Speaker 1: right now when he's a rookie and he's young, but
Speaker 1: by the same token West, we all saw what happened
Speaker 1: with r G three. He was playing the same way
Speaker 1: he's on the rest and yeah, but suffered, you know,
Speaker 1: in new horble injuries after getting the Redskins to the
Speaker 1: playoffs his rookie year, and he was the talk of
Speaker 1: the town in d C. And Washington was back and
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, but then health wise it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. I mean, there's a there's a huge
Speaker 1: risk to playing this way. Right now, Baltimore is playing
Speaker 1: this way and they're gonna take their best shot because
Speaker 1: they have a running quarterback, they have a defense that's
Speaker 1: as good as any in the league, if not the
Speaker 1: best in the league, and they're gonna take their chances
Speaker 1: and see what happened. And I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: there is no better mid major college offense right now
Speaker 1: than what the Ravens are doing. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: forty seven carries yesterday for Twitter at ninety six yards.
Speaker 1: You had Gus Edwards and Kenneth Dixon both had twelve
Speaker 1: carries in that game. I mean, I'm excited to watch
Speaker 1: him in the playoffs. Hey, I talked on Friday right about, Hey,
Speaker 1: I want some entertaining football games to watch. You got
Speaker 1: Indianapolis squeaking with Andrew Luck. You got Baltimore playing the
Speaker 1: way that they're playing in Philadelphia looking to keep that
Speaker 1: magic going against Chicago. This this false first slate of
Speaker 1: wild card matchups is gonna be to watch. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: right after the new year, you and I are going
Speaker 1: to do another show here on probably on Wednesday, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a look at the whole playoff picture,
Speaker 1: lay it all out, maybe see what other terrible predictions
Speaker 1: I can make and and good ones that you can
Speaker 1: make here about that the month of January. But uh,
Speaker 1: we will get to that in a couple of days,
Speaker 1: and for now, we're going to call it a wrap
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