1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling an iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, how are you? 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 3: I'm good? 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: How are you? I am doing well? Okay, Yeah, I 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: just got to say I'm like a hero in my 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: house today because my two girls love you so much. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: That is so sweet. Oh my gosh, that is so nice. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: How old are you? How old are your girls? 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: Fourteen and seventeen? 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness? Okay, amazing, amazing? Are they answers to? 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: They are not, but they love it love. I mean 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: they've seen every episode. Like I mean, I'm not gonna lie, 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: I have to, but I can't believe you start on 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: that show when you were nine. What the heck? 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: That's crazy, isn't that? Isn't that just wild? 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, just putting it, just relating it to my life, 17 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: Like my youngest is eight, he'll be nine in March. 18 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: Like being in that world and one of my best friends, 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: her daughter is she's twelve, I believe, and Kiki and 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: she competes professionally, and just seeing that world first of all, 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: I'll watch it with you on TV, but then having 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: being able to see it in real life with my 23 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: friend and what they have to go through. 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 3: It is. 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: It is not normal No, it's not. It is the 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: craziest pressure. I get pressure just living through my friend's 27 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: daughter's life, like it. 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: Is, you get like secondhand pressure. 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were so you are you the only 30 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: cast member that was on every single season of that chop? Uh? 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, not including the eighth season. But the eighth 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: season had like a totally different cast. 33 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Wait what, I don't remember this. 34 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: There was like a season eight, but it was like 35 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: a year or two after the show had like ended and. 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: Then, so no one cared about that. 37 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say that. I know people like it. 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 3: I just like that wasn't I'm the only one who 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: like finished out their contract, like one through seven was 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 3: there from the very beginning. 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, it literally watched You grow up? Okay, 42 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: so age nine through fifteen? Correct, I don't do math. 43 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: Uh yes, yes, nine through fifteen. 44 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: Wow, Like those are literally your formative years. 45 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 46 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: Do you ever? Do you ever watch the show back? 47 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: No? I actually so, I watched the show back for 48 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: but like to write the book. But I don't watch 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: the show back just for like fun, because it honestly 50 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: agitates me, like. 51 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: It No, no, no, unless. 52 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: Like I have to and I did for the book 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: so that I remember things correctly to see what the audience, 54 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: like the viewers actually saw because I remember things a 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: certain way, but I don't know how they played things 56 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: out on the actual show and your story, Yeah, exactly exactly. 57 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't watch it back unless I have to. 58 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: But I'll see clips on on social media sometimes and 59 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: they're funny, like usually like they're very funny you brought 60 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: a pocket sometimes, But I think that's kind of like 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: the charm of the show. 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: Like I just gotta say I met ay Lee Miller 63 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: and and we did like it was like a women's 64 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: conference thing. And I never say hi to people because 65 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: just because I get nervous. Is it's not like I 66 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: don't know, I think growing up in this business and 67 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: being a celebrity, I always respect other celebrities and like, oh, 68 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: they get a million people coming up to them. So 69 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it. But for my kids, I'll 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: do anything. I've become mama Bear, So I knew my 71 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: kids loved the show, and I was like, I just 72 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: got to guess, you know, ask her for a photo 73 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: and she was super nice and she sent them merch 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: and everything. But like reading your book. Now I'm pissed. Now, 75 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm I I like the merch. I'm gonna keep the merch, 76 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: but I'm getting rid of that photo on my phone. 77 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: Merched. That's totally fine. My relationship with Abby is like 78 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: it's it's you know, like non existent anymore. Bunch. 79 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: I'm glad you didn't say complicated. Oh when I hate 80 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: when people are peacey. I've known, I've done it for years, 81 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's complicated. It's like, it's not complicated, 82 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: you know what it really is. Okay, you know what 83 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 2: I mean. 84 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know what you mean. But the thing, 85 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: you know, there is truth to that as well, Like 86 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: I don't have a relationship with her anymore, but our 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: our past relationship was complicated. You know, I was her 88 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: dancer since I danced under her name for since I 89 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: was like three years old. So we did have some 90 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 3: sort of relationship and bond during during those early stages. 91 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: But but you know, it just it got ruined and 92 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: and it was definitely tainted. And I you know, people's 93 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: true colors show. Uh, So it is very complicated and 94 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: and I do talk about a lot about that in 95 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: the book because you know, you know it is. I'm 96 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: not trying to defend her anything, but you know, there 97 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: were good moments and there were really bad moments, and 98 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: unfortunately the bad outweigh the good. So it's hard to 99 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: to even think about some of those good moments sometimes. 100 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: But but yeah. 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: Just chills. But you know what, that's that's with any 102 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: relationship personally and professionally, like, and that is so brave 103 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: of you and strong of you to admit, like, there 104 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: are bad moments that outweighed, but there were good moments, 105 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: so and acknowledge those because with any relationship with a 106 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: family member, and in some sorts she was a family 107 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 2: member to you, there's gonna be bad and good. You're like, nope, 108 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 2: not family, Nope, nope, not saying okay, fine, I'm being nice. 109 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: But she was. She she was an authority figure in 110 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: my life. You're in and teachers are supposed to be 111 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: people that you can look up to. They're supposed to 112 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 3: be role models and yeah, and she wasn't that. So 113 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: it's so it's very it's a complicated, reallyationship, you know. 114 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Uh. 115 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know, I don't I'm 116 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: not friends really with people that still talk to her. 117 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: But the thing is at the end of the day, 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: like she is this character that was on a huge 119 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: TV show. So I'm never gonna be like upset with 120 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: someone for wanting to take a picture with her because 121 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: she's I mean, she's abby and she was on this 122 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: huge television show. You know, most people are gonna want 123 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: to take a picture with someone like that. I'm happy 124 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 3: she was nice to you, though. 125 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: She was because I thought I thought she was gonna 126 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: be scary from watching the show, and she was really nice. 127 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: How much of what was on that show with her 128 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: was a character as opposed to how she was in 129 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: real life or she was always that hard in real 130 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: life as well? 131 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: As I always say that they made her look likable 132 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: for TV. They no, yeah, yes, yes they did. Whoa Yeah, 133 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: I think. I mean, I think you can even ask 134 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: dancers like that dance there that were that weren't on 135 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: the show or pre show. I think they could like 136 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: attest to that as well. But but yeah, no, that's 137 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: who she really is. They had to edit a lot 138 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: of stuff out, cut a lot of stuff out, you know, 139 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: when it when it came to like the things she 140 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 3: said and the things she did, the show protected her 141 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, because you know they're there. 142 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: They want to make sure that their show keeps running. 143 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I feel like some of the stuff that 144 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: happened probably would have could could have done some damage 145 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: to the show itself if if it was aired. 146 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: Got it? So a lot of the stuff that you 147 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: talk about in your book regarding racism, was that actually 148 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: in the show that aired? 149 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 3: Well? Actually some of it. Yes, there's a lot of 150 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: things in the book that I that I talk about 151 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: that were literally aired on television. 152 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: How did that not getner canceled? 153 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: You know, it was a different time. I think in 154 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: a post twenty twenty world, everyone kind of like I 155 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: think more people are receptive to just conversations about race 156 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: and racism. I know that for me and my mom, 157 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: we knew when these things happened. But for viewers, I 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: would say, especially like non black or like white viewers 159 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: who were watching the show, they wouldn't have really picked 160 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 3: up on some of the racism that happened. But there 161 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: are very like there there. It is documented the things 162 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 3: that happened on the show, and I go into that, 163 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: and I also go into stuff that that wasn't air 164 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: on the show as well. But a lot of a lot. 165 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: There were a lot of examples that I could have 166 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: that I used because it was on the show, and 167 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: no one really did and no one picked up on it. 168 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: No one picked up on it because back in the day, 169 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 3: those things kind of just flew over everyone's head and 170 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 3: you know, you know, things were funny and things were 171 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: acceptable back in the day. But now people are more 172 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: willing to have these conversations and are more like in 173 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: tune with with racism and microaggressions and in everything surrounding that. 174 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: So that's been really interesting as well. For just even 175 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: before the book came out, I like, I saw like 176 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: I saw people posting about dance moms with a different 177 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: point of view, which I found really interesting. And that's 178 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 3: not the reason why I felt like it was a 179 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: good time to write the book, because people started to 180 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 3: see things for what they actually were. Not everyone, but 181 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: people started seeing things and watching now that you know, 182 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 3: the kids watch it and now they're adults looking back, 183 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: they're like wait, and after you know, like the Black 184 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: Lives Matter movement, and you know, people watch the show 185 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: back and they're like, wait, actually that wasn't okay. Actually 186 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: that you know, we thought this was funny, but it's 187 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: not as funny as I thought, like as I remember 188 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: it to be, or even just certain things like it's 189 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: People can still watch it, but I've heard some people 190 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: say that they can't even watch it anymore because, you know, 191 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: it's it's hard for them to watch. Uh. So, yes, 192 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: there's still people who can watch it and take it 193 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: for what it is and and and giggle and laugh 194 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: and have spewed about it. You know, it's it's so 195 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: wild and crazy where you can absolutely just like watch it. 196 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: It's very calming for some people. I don't know why, 197 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: but it is. But other people have a very different 198 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: reaction now and and it's hard for them to watch. 199 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I understand that. And for future generations, it's setting a 200 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: different standard. And it's so I'm so sorry what you 201 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: went through as a kid a young adult. And I 202 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: think it's so important though that you're putting your view 203 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: out there now looking back on the experience, because while 204 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: my seventeen and my fourteen year old love the show, 205 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: these are the conversations which you're referring to, that teenagers 206 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: now are having. They're so evolved and elevated that they 207 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: won't be quiet anymore. They can't be exactly, and that 208 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: will only affect future generation for their kids and for 209 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: your kids one day. You know, it's just do you 210 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: want kids? 211 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, Well, I haven't. I'm like, I genuinely 212 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: don't know. I haven't really gotten that far. I haven't 213 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: really thought too much about it, which I know at 214 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: this age people start I'm like, I haven't really thought 215 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 3: about it. But I would say for you, I know 216 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: you said sorry, and I appreciate it. But also at 217 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: the same time, I I I don't view myself as 218 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: a victim. You know, I don't think I have a 219 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: victim mentality, which I think is really important, but at all, 220 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: you know, like I just I don't feel like I'm 221 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: a victim. I think that I did the best what 222 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: I could do in those situations, and I I see 223 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: myself as someone who's resilient and you know, coming out 224 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: of those things with like strong. But also it's interesting 225 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: too because with me releasing the story, you were saying, 226 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 3: You're like, I'm so happy you're able to talk about 227 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 3: this now and share your story, you know, not all 228 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: like I received so many positive responses and feedback, but 229 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: also there's a lot of people that still question me. 230 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: And are in ask me questions like well, why do 231 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: you wait so long? Why did you why are you 232 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: just talking about it now? Why? You know, like just 233 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 3: all questions, and I it makes me realize, like I 234 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: understand why sometimes victims wouldn't come out and say things, 235 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: or why people stay quiet because they they blame they victim, 236 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: blame people for for being in these situations, even though 237 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: it's it's not their doing. So yeah, it's interesting, Like, yeah, 238 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: I don't I don't see myself as a victim, but 239 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: I have gone through a lot, and you know, I 240 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: I'm proud of my story. It's it's who I am. 241 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: It's made it made me who I am today. And 242 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: the whole point of the book was just to finally 243 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: share my side of the story. And I know that 244 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: sometimes people still have that people are gonna say whatever, 245 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: Sometimes people don't care. Sometimes people, you know, we'll still 246 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 3: question what I have to say, and and you know, 247 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: and that's okay, Like I'm totally okay with that. That's 248 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: part of being human, that's part of being in this world. 249 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: But I do think as a whole, like I think 250 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: people just need more empathy. And and you think. 251 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: Empathy is the it's the key thing missing, in my opinion, 252 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: from the world. People want the empathy for them, but 253 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: they don't have it for others. Right, Yeah, it's so 254 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: beautiful to realize that and have that. 255 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: If you've been ghosted, divorced, or left for someone else, 256 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: snap out of it. It's not for you to get 257 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: some help by listening to us said, I do part two. 258 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 4: Listen to I do Part two on the iHeartRadio app, 259 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 4: Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 260 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Now, I'm hearing you, and I'm proud of how resilient 261 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: and strong there has to be, though somewhere inside still 262 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: the pain, the hurt. Oh yeah, for sure, words at 263 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: least through my journey, I've realized, and we all have 264 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: a different journey, and it's you can't unhear words, and 265 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: you can move past it. You can work on yourself, 266 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: you can make those words make you stronger and be 267 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: you know, guide others through it. Insightful. But you know, 268 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: words that were said to me when I was young, 269 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: I still hear them. I work hard to get past it, 270 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: but I hear them in my you know inside, they 271 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: affect me for sure. 272 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I'm I'm I always say that like I 273 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: don't care what anyone says. Words still do hurt. Words 274 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: still do hurt, and they are powerful. They are powerful, 275 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: and that's the reason why I wrote my book, because 276 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 3: I know words are powerful and I know that words 277 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 3: have meeting. And also to that as well, like for me, 278 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: as someone who is resilient is someone who you know, 279 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: you know has just overcome a lot, I would say 280 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: for me, like, yes, I do still get hurt by 281 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: things sometimes. I and you know, writing the book has 282 00:17:55,080 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: been super healing, but at the same time, yeah, very 283 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 3: but still at the same time, it doesn't mean that 284 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: things don't sting. Sometimes things don't, you know, every once 285 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: in a while come up. 286 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: You know. 287 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: I'm I'm strong, and I think sometimes people think that 288 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: and this is something that I have I've I had 289 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: to work on as well because an abbyism that she 290 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: had or like one of her sayings was like savior 291 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: tears for the pillow, meaning like if you cry, like 292 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 3: that makes you weak. Never let anyone so you see 293 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: you cry, because that makes them have more power and 294 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 3: that makes them, you know, like you lose if you 295 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: if you cry, and you. 296 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 2: Know, believing that crying crying with a sign of weakness. 297 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, And for me, I've had to really unlearn 298 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 3: that because for me, I want to be strong. I'm 299 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 3: a strong person. So I equated crying with being weak, 300 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: which I've learned that that's not the right way. Crying 301 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: is very normal and it's good for you. It's a release. 302 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: So nowadays, when I talk about being strong, I don't 303 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: think I I think that crying and being vulnerable and 304 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: showing your emotions is part of also being strong. That's 305 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 3: part of it. Being strong doesn't mean you don't cry, 306 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you don't get hurt by things. It 307 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: just means that you can navigate that that hurt and 308 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: redirect it. It means that you can get through those situations, 309 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: you know. So it's taken some time. But yeah, I 310 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: don't I don't think being strong means that you can't 311 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 3: also be hurt. And I think it's good for people 312 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 3: to know when you're hurt because they should. They people 313 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: should know when they hurt your feelings otherwise notice otherwise 314 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: they think it's okay. It's good for for people to 315 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 3: know that you're hurt because that's also because it also 316 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: means that you're a real human, you know, I agreed. 317 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm crying right now. I'm like, oh see it's no, see, 318 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: I have to just retreat my brain. Sorry, I'm crying. 319 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: I'm crying because this feels good to hear this from 320 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: someone else. You are redefining words and that are archaic 321 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: that have such like being strong. We were taught always 322 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: like exactly what you're saying. You can't do this, You 323 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: can't do that if you're strong. And I love that 324 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 2: you were speaking to humans out there and so many 325 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: young women and they are learning like, yeah, that's not 326 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: what this means. I can redefine a word and make 327 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: it mine and make it my journey. And I you 328 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: know what, if anyone says, why did you take this long? Why? 329 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: Now it's your journey, you can tell it when you want. 330 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: To tell it exactly. 331 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all sorry, sorry, but. 332 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 3: It's true though, Like it's what do you like? What 333 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 3: do you mean? Why am I sharing my story now? 334 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 3: Maybe because I'm not nine years old anymore, like because 335 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I'm an adult now. 336 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: I can actually advocate for myself in this way. I 337 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 3: can actually uh like write how I'm articulate, how I'm 338 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: feeling you know, whereas when you're in it you can't 339 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 3: really see everything. And also I was a child, you know. 340 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: Now that I'm an adult, I can actually write about 341 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 3: these things and write about it with a pretty level 342 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: head as well. So so yeah, it takes it takes 343 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: time to just process everything that I went through as well. 344 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: And as far as I'm concerned, which is something that 345 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: I'm very like, very grateful for, is that people do 346 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: still care about Dance Moms. People are still talking about 347 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: the show. I would even argue that Dance Moms is 348 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 3: probably even more prevalent now than it was back in 349 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: the day when it was airing. So I like, absolutely, 350 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: but I'm like, people are still watching it, you know, 351 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: people are still streaming it, which is great and I 352 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 3: love that, but I but I also want to recognize, 353 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: like it's not that it's not relevant, Like this is 354 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: still relevant because people are still talking about. 355 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: It, absolutely, And nostalgia is such a big deal. So 356 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: I feel like people that originally watched the show, it's 357 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: something that's a comfort on some level, Yeah, to go 358 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: back to watching it if you loved it then, and 359 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: then young people are just finding it. I mean, God 360 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: blessed TikTok making all of us relevant. I mean, wait, 361 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: five point eight million, No, baby, you're doing great like 362 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: it's eight years. No, you're such an inspiration. Wait, I 363 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: gotta just I love your mom. And this is just 364 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: from watching yeah, because because when I watched the show, 365 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 2: I was already having kids and like, so, well, you 366 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: guys were awesome. I was always like, looking at the mom, 367 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that's gonna be me 368 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: one day as my kids get older. Not a dance moment. 369 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: I could never do that. Oh my god, I can't. 370 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: I can. I can barely get my kids to school. 371 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: It's like, I think somewhere deep down, I never pushed 372 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: my kids into sports because I was like, I can't 373 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: do it. But I also have five so but and 374 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: I feel like your mom wasn't that either. She wasn't 375 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: like the like in it so like she was just like, yeah, 376 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: you go great. I just I don't know the ones 377 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: that used to like go like balls to the wall. 378 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: I used to just be like, that is not the mom. 379 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: I want to be like your mom. She was always 380 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: just so she had her own shit going on. You know, 381 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: this wasn't yeah you know what I mean, Like she's sorry. 382 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 3: It's like she's like, I love my mom, And I 383 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 3: always I always say this, like I don't know how 384 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 3: she did it, Like genuinely, I don't know how she 385 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: went through seven seasons without cursing at anyone, without like 386 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 3: totally losing her mind. And you know what I mean, 387 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 3: because they really did push her buttons push. 388 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a career. I mean, it's not just 389 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: it's not like she was just a dance mom exactly. 390 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 3: You know, she she had had a career. She was 391 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: a principal, she was an education She also has you know, 392 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: two other kids besides me. She's married, you know, like 393 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: we we there were so many things like she had. 394 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: She was also working on her dissertation, you know what 395 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 3: I mean. So there's so much that she was doing. 396 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: I don't know how she kept her composure the whole time, 397 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 3: but she did. And I'm really grateful that I had 398 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 3: a good role model to look up to in those moments. 399 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: And anytime I hear something about like if anyone, you know, 400 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: like blames my mom for some that happened on the show, 401 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: or get mad at her for keeping me in that environment, 402 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: I I always push back on that. I always resist 403 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 3: that because I'm like, why I for me? And that's 404 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: the real another reason why it's so important for people 405 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: to read the book, because you really do get perspective. 406 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: It's something that I wanted to do. She really took 407 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 3: my lead on everything. If I didn't want to be there, 408 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: she would make sure that I was out of there, 409 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: you know, Like if I did not want to do that, 410 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 3: she would have never kept me in that environment. But 411 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: I wanted to stay. I wanted to prove a point. 412 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: I wanted to make it to the end. I wanted 413 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: to honor my contract, you know. 414 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: And she still answer, it was your passion, it. 415 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: Was my passion. And I saw this opportunity and I 416 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna take it. I'm not gonna let 417 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 3: anyone pulling me out of this opportunity that everyone else 418 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 3: is able to do. So I I you know, I 419 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: just I really appreciate my mom sticking buy me through 420 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: that whole thing, because it wasn't easy. And I know 421 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: it was hard for her as a mother seeing me 422 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 3: go through that and me continue in wanting to continue 423 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: my my my time on the show, even whenever it 424 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: did get toxic. I know that was hard for her. 425 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 3: Seeing me upset, seeing me being torn down by someone 426 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 3: who's supposed to be building me up. 427 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: You know. 428 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: So I I and you know, it's like I understand 429 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 3: where people are coming from. But at the same time, 430 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 3: this isn't the normal or like the typical story of 431 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: like you know, the child actor being forced by their 432 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: family to like it wasn't that. It wasn't that at all. 433 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: So it's it's it's different. But I just appreciate her 434 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 3: standing with me the whole time, and she's endured so 435 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 3: much and I can't believe like we all went through it. 436 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: But she's the reason why I'm able to one write 437 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: about my experience today. And she's the reason why I 438 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 3: have self self worth and in confidence and like I'm 439 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: very in tune to myself and I very much am 440 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: uh like I I like myself, you know, and I'm 441 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 3: and I'm well adjusted and and that's because of her. 442 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: It's a it's a it's a testament to my my 443 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 3: parents and how they raised me. Hm. 444 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: Okay, that just inspired me so much because I hope 445 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: I am half the mon that you were. What you're saying. 446 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: I want my kids to speak of me that one day, 447 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: like that's such a legacy and so important and above 448 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: anything she taught you you're worth. She'd she raised a 449 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: good human. 450 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 451 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 2: Give her a hug for me. Oh my god, Well 452 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: I will. When there were dark moments during the time 453 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 2: when it was toxic, when she didn't speak out on 454 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: the show but would speak privately to you, How have 455 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 2: those conversations changed how she would frame it to you 456 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: then as opposed to does now. But she just like, 457 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I know she'd encourage you to write the 458 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: book and everything, but just like the conversations of what 459 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: really went on, Like how brutally honest is she now? 460 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: Looking back? Privately? 461 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: She still, I mean, very honest with me. She you know, 462 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: she'll always if she sees someone talking crazy online, she's 463 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 3: gonna she's gonna say something. She is she is. But yeah, 464 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: she she always kind of just has those talks with me. 465 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: Even nowadays, whenever I'm upset, I get overwhelmed, I get 466 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: hurt by by something or someone, and you know, she 467 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: she always keeps it real with me, you know, like 468 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: she she wants to build me up, and you know, 469 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: she we we have that relationship where we can talk 470 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: about those things openly and I'm grateful for that. But yeah, 471 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 3: she keeps it very, very candid, and and yeah, she's 472 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: very she's very She doesn't just tell me what I 473 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: want to hear. She she tells me the truth, you know. 474 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 3: And I think that's the reason why I'm also able 475 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: to kind of right in the way where it's like, 476 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: I'm not bash people. I'm not trying to like ruffle feathers, 477 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 3: Like if it does ruffle feathers, it's not intended to, 478 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: you know. So so yeah, but we we even on 479 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: the show, on the show, and still now like we 480 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: still have conversations about certain things that had happened, and 481 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: and we will go back to those. Sorry, that is 482 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: my door dash just a salad, just a salad, but. 483 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: So sorry, I'm hungry. I left food. Tell me about it. 484 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 3: Have you heard about what is it called? Oh my gosh, 485 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: California Chicken Cafe. I love Sorry, yeah, yeah. 486 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: I got a Chinese chicken salad or no, that's the one. 487 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: It's my favorite. 488 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: It's so good. 489 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: Sorry, good, very passionate about foods. 490 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: I really needed it today. I just really needed it today. 491 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: I rediscovered it last week. I was like, oh my gosh, 492 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: I forgot about this place for I haven't had it 493 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 3: in so long. 494 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: Except you know what, I don't love that they put 495 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: pasta in it. That's the only thing. Really, I love 496 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: that part. And I'm a little bit more something. 497 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: Oh. 498 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: I always get the past to remove. And it's not 499 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: like I don't want carbs. I just like it like 500 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: drops me off anyway. 501 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: Really, I like it's just something kind of different. I 502 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 3: get the texture of him, like I laughing it. 503 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I won't keep you that much on her 504 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: because I want you to go eat your salad. 505 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: You're so good. 506 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is how like I get about food. 507 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm now going to have. 508 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 3: To order that salad after we get off. 509 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: Like, once you hear it, you're like, oh yeah, I'm like, 510 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: my mouth's watering. Are you talking about such serious stuff? 511 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: But I just went there. I'm so sorry. Welcome to me. 512 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: No, it's good because that solid is worth talking about. 513 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: Really, I'm literally drooling right now. I gotta like swallow 514 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: my spit. Okay, sir, where I'm just kidding. How did 515 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: your book take you to write? 516 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 3: It took me, well, it took me about like two 517 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 3: and a half years to write and then but it's 518 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: been like a three year process. Like now that it's out, 519 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 3: it's been like three years since I started the process 520 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 3: of it. But yeah, I finished it back in June, 521 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: but it took a while. I started like my sophomore 522 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: or sorry, my junior year of college and I'm a 523 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: year removed from college now, so so it's taken about 524 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: three years. 525 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's Did you enjoy it? I mean, 526 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: I know it was therapeutic and you got it out 527 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: there and the reaction, I mean I read online reaction 528 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: you're having, like, it's incredible. Does it make you want 529 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: to write it another one? 530 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Actually, it does make me want to write another book, 531 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: just to see the impact that it's had on people. 532 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: To see my words resonate with people like it, It 533 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 3: truly means a lot. And if there's more ways to 534 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 3: to continue that, I would love to do that. So 535 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: at some point I would love to write another book, 536 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it's also kind of like what 537 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: I went to school for, Like I went to college 538 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 3: for American literature, so like I went for typically an 539 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 3: English but I'm I love I love reading, I love learning, 540 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: I love hearing about people's stories, like I love a memoir. 541 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: So like I I just I'm just that kind of 542 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: person who loves that kind of stuff. So yeah, I 543 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 3: definitely think in the future, hopefully I'll be able to 544 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: write more. But I've been so grateful for all of 545 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 3: the support that I've received through this book, because it 546 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: is hard, and it is scary releasing something like this 547 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: when I know that, you know, you know, it's it 548 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 3: feels like sometimes I'm alone in this. Not that I'm 549 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 3: alone alone, but like publicly alone in this, you know, 550 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: so to have Yeah, So the fact that people have 551 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 3: enjoyed the book. People have gotten a lot out of 552 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: the book, not just clarification on the show itself and 553 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 3: how that affected me, but a way for them to 554 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 3: learn how to get through difficult situations and to not 555 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 3: back down and to fight through and to push through, 556 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 3: and to learn how to not let anyone like bully 557 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 3: you out of anything. It's resonated with a lot of people. 558 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: It's in its affected people, and I love seeing people's 559 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 3: messages because they're all so positive. And I think one 560 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: of the things that for me, like that I love 561 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 3: the most about you know, what people say about the 562 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: book is that they have you know, they they're they're 563 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 3: learning how to be more confident, they're learning how to 564 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: advocate for themselves through my story. They see themselves in 565 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 3: my story, and that's helping them get through whatever they're 566 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 3: getting through. And that has been therapeutic, and that has 567 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: been amazing. And you know, that's like the whole reason 568 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 3: why I even really wanted to put the book out 569 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 3: is because I know that I'm not the only one 570 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: who has been through things like this. You know, although 571 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 3: very like unique, it's a very universal experience as. 572 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 2: Well, right, it is, but it isn't. So there's that 573 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: connection that no one, no one can truly understand. I 574 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: know I'm hearing you when you say you're alone publicly 575 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 2: because they only you were in that world, in your 576 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 2: shoes and the people around you. But the message goes 577 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: so far beyond, yes, the connection. By the way, I 578 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: could listen to your voice all day. You have the 579 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 2: best point. It is so sweet too. 580 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 3: I think mine. I don't know. When I hear videos 581 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 3: back of me talking, I wouldn't say the same, but 582 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 3: thank you. That means a lot. 583 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 2: Like public speaking is your jam, Like you have such 584 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 2: a calm, beautiful, strong but kind voice. It's so warm 585 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: and genuine. That is so sweet, honestly, and that I 586 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 2: always go with my gut and that's how I feel. 587 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: So but I just, oh, my gosh, what's next for you? 588 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: What do you want to do next? 589 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 3: Well, it kind of goes hand in hand and with 590 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 3: me loving stories, but I just want to I just 591 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 3: want to tell stories, you know. I'm a storyteller. I'm 592 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 3: a performer. I want to get back to performing because 593 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 3: I took some time off for college because I wanted 594 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: to focus on my education. But I want to get 595 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 3: back into acting and music and just everything. I want 596 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 3: to get back on a stage, onto a set and 597 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 3: just do what I do. Like I'm a performer, I'm 598 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: I'm someone who loves to tell a story. You know, 599 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 3: That's just who I am at the heart. So getting 600 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 3: back into all of that. 601 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 2: What Okay? I know you like Broadway shows. What Broadway 602 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: show would you love to start in? 603 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 3: Probably The Wiz because The Wiz is my favorite movie. 604 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 3: So probably The The. 605 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 2: Wiz as a kid. 606 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 3: I love The Wiz as a kid, like genuinely loved it, 607 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 3: probably or like Mama Mia even yeah, I feel like The. 608 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: Wiz was in not just the movie, but I actually 609 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 2: saw it like. 610 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 3: Tour, did you Yes, that's cool. I saw the tour. 611 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 3: I think it was like a couple of years ago 612 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 3: when it was at the Pantages and in La so 613 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 3: I saw it then. 614 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 2: I think that's where I don't know it was. I 615 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: saw yes when I was a kid. I mean, I'm 616 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: like a million years older than you, but like, oh 617 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 2: my gosh, it's so interesting. I had such a yeah, 618 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: very special. 619 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 3: I grew up loving the Whiz, so that would be 620 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 3: that would definitely be probably like number one. 621 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: But okay, cooler manifesting that what's. 622 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 3: Next that I was gonna say, Mamma Mia. I loved 623 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 3: Mama Mia. Yeah, let's see. My gosh, that's some of 624 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 3: my other favorite. I just love Broadway, like I just 625 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 3: I love theater. I'm a I'm a theater kid. Oh 626 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 3: when I'm older, When i'm older, Chicago, I can't do 627 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 3: that role yet, but like Chicago, when I'm older, that 628 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 3: would be probably like a dream. I saw Brandy in 629 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 3: Chicago years ago. I also saw actually Graham in Chicago 630 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 3: earlier this year, which was pretty cool. 631 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's so funny. I was speaking Chicago, but 632 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 2: I like that. I forget how old I am. So 633 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm like talking to you like we're equals, and I 634 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: was like, you should be in Chicago, but I forget 635 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 2: you need to be older to be in Chicago. 636 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 3: Chicago. Though I. 637 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 2: Have ideas. I'm an idea person, imagine wait wait okay, 638 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 2: I'm a focus for a second doing a version of 639 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 2: mean Girl. But it's your experience with Dan. 640 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 3: It would be like. 641 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,959 Speaker 2: Kind of self deprecating, kind of like that, it's little 642 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 2: fun but resonating ideally of like what you went, like 643 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 2: a combination? 644 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 3: I mean, should we make it happen? Wait? 645 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 2: Really? 646 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? Why not? 647 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. No one wants to our idea we 648 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 2: said to here, Yeah, we're on it. Oh my god, 649 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 2: woo Like, so do we gotta get lawyers with this? 650 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 2: I'm going to produce this, but we can do a 651 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 2: teav Okay wait wait, okay, we'll talk about this afterst 652 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm very excited. Okay, anyway, you know 653 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, right, I. 654 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 3: Know what you're saying. 655 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: Okay, it's like, yeah, and we can't get the right 656 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 2: to mean Girls, so whatever, but we can make it 657 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,479 Speaker 2: our This is so good. I just think it really 658 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 2: and just hearing you speak today. It's like really really 659 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 2: inspired me. I love this, okay. Sorry, And you're a foodie, 660 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 2: Oh god, I am. 661 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 3: I am, Oh my gosh, I love myself a good meal. 662 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 3: I do. 663 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 2: Do you like sushi? 664 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 3: I do. I just started liking sushi like a couple 665 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 3: of years ago though. Yeah, but it's not because of 666 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 3: the raw fish part. Like that doesn't bother me. It 667 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: was more just I'm foodie. I'm foodie, but I'm also picky. 668 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 3: But I'm like, I call myself. 669 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 2: I like that, Okay, go on, because. 670 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 3: I didn't like I don't like a ton of stuff 671 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 3: in it. Like I don't like seaweed, I don't like cucumber, 672 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 3: I don't really like avocado, and it's like that all 673 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 3: that stuff is usually in sushi. But like I like sashimi. 674 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 3: I like the I think it's been the gary the 675 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 3: or like I'll use like soy paper instead of seaweed. 676 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 2: That's okay. But I'm a little foodie. 677 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 3: But yeah, I like sushi. Do you have a good 678 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 3: spot that you like to go to? 679 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can tell you. Oh my god, wait 680 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 2: where do you live? Sorry, we'll edit this out. 681 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 3: I live in North Hollywood. 682 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 2: Oh oh my god. Wait, I just went to the 683 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 2: best place. It's on Kuwanga and oh my god, it's 684 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 2: right near you. I'll slide into your DMS later and 685 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:43,919 Speaker 2: tell you it's it's okay t mokey to Liam, it's 686 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: this chef and he has places like you know, downtown, 687 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 2: he has ones on Satel. This is like his fourth incarnation, 688 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 2: I think, but it is incredible. 689 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 3: Talking about I don't know what it's called, but like, 690 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 3: I like, now, is that worth like kind of near? 691 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 2: Where that in and out? 692 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 3: Oh? Sushi mochi? Yes, okay, I'm writing that down. 693 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have to go. 694 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to go. 695 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 2: I'll go with you. As we discussed this, this play 696 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 2: mu show, we're going to do cool. It's really good, 697 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 2: like good and you don't have to get all the 698 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 2: like stuff in the roles and stuff and all that 699 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 2: like whatever. It's like fresh and they it's incredible. Sorry, 700 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 2: I get very excited. So do you like what other 701 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 2: foods you like? Italian? 702 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? I love Italian? Sorry? 703 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 2: What's your favorite words in your mouth? Sorry? I'm telling 704 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 2: you what I like. Well, I. 705 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 3: Love everything, like genuinely, like I love everything truly. I 706 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 3: love tie. Let's see Chinese food is probably my favorite. 707 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 3: Like I just I love Chinese food. I also love 708 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,880 Speaker 3: like like I don't know no where is that. 709 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 2: It's uh maybe West Hills, like deep maybe near north Ridge, Omos. 710 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 2: It's like okay, Asian fusion, but it's like it's really good. 711 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 3: Okay. Oh. I also love Greek food. 712 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 2: I love I love Greek food. 713 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 3: I love Greek food, and I love and I love 714 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 3: soul food as well in barbecue. So like everything I like, 715 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 3: I like everything. There's not really like a food where 716 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't really like that kind of like 717 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,439 Speaker 3: we do cook. I do cook, just not a lot. 718 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 3: Like I I can cook, I just don't really have 719 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 3: time to cook, so I don't really cook that much suck. 720 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's also that. But it's like when people like, 721 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 3: can you cook, I'm like, yes, I can actually, And 722 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,280 Speaker 3: when I cook, my friends like get excited because because 723 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 3: they like when I cook. But I just don't do 724 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,240 Speaker 3: it that often. I need to do it more. But 725 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 3: but yeah, I love to cook. I'm really a baker though, 726 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 3: Like I'm really good at baking. 727 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 2: Oh my daughter is a baker really yeah, so I'm 728 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 2: My thing is I'm of the belief that you can 729 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 2: do both well, but you're either truly a cook or 730 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 2: you're truly a baker. 731 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 3: Right, I'm truly I'm truly a baker. 732 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 2: I'm one science related like one. It's a different part 733 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 2: of your brain. 734 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. I I mean people always say that, which 735 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 3: I understand, but also like, I just am really good 736 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 3: at following recipes I think. 737 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: But I'm not really really because for me, I'm like okay, oh, okay, okay, 738 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: ye cook. 739 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 2: Then yes exactly. 740 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. For me, I like I can follow the recipes 741 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 3: like really, well, so what's your favorite thing to make? Oh? 742 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 3: My favorite thing the bake. Probably cookies. Those are my favorites. 743 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 3: And then last year I got really into making cinnamon rules. 744 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 3: They're really yummy too. I learned how to make a 745 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 3: really good cinnamon roll. 746 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll have to share. My daughter Stella, who I 747 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 2: feel like you, guys, I have so much in common 748 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 2: personality wise and strength, and you have a lot in 749 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 2: common so far. She is a baker and she made 750 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 2: red velvet cinnamon rules this week, and we're really good. 751 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 3: That sounds amazing, that sounds incredible. 752 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 2: Well, I want to thank you. I'm sorry. I want 753 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 2: to let you get to your salad. I'm like, very 754 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 2: concerned that your salad's gonna wilt. O. Hey, at least 755 00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 2: I care. 756 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 3: At least you care. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. 757 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 3: I totally care. 758 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 2: Anyway, everyone should get your book Bottom of the Pyramid, 759 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 2: Memoir of Persevering, Dancing for Myself and Starring in my 760 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 2: own life. You are such an inspiration and it's on audiobook. 761 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 3: And I'm actually narrating it too, as you should. 762 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 2: You have the best voice. You say your voice over 763 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,319 Speaker 2: work too. 764 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 3: I love. I want want to get into that. I 765 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 3: want to get into more. 766 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 2: You can't do everything. I have big plan. I have 767 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,720 Speaker 2: big plans for you. You've inspired. 768 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,359 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I'm like, you're on the. 769 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 2: Team honestly, Like, yeah, I'm really good at doing it, 770 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 2: like inspiring and helping and being on other seams and 771 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 2: like can't do it for myself. Like that's right. I 772 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 2: shit the bed. But I'm learning. I'm learning. Your ear 773 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 2: actually inspired me today and you're teaching me and I 774 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 2: like this. 775 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 3: I love it. Well, thank you, thanks for having me. 776 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. Wait can I slide into your DMS? 777 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 3: Wait? 778 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 2: Can you say that like friend to friend or slide 779 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 2: into DMS mean something like creepy. 780 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 3: No, no, that's fine, that's totally fine. 781 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 2: Wait one of my what are the young people say? 782 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's totally fine, that's not creepy. 783 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:35,839 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah about you guys. I'm gonna slide to her DMS. 784 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 3: With Tusian work. 785 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, Thank you so much 786 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 3: Of course, thank you so much.