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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie.

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Speaker 3: To Jericho, I'm Daniel Henderson.

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Speaker 1: And we are scos excited to be here with you

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Speaker 1: today talking about film.

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Speaker 2: No one's gonna know what that means until.

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Speaker 3: You have to explain that, or else they're going to

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Speaker 3: think you're having a stroke.

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Speaker 2: They already think that just normally by.

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Speaker 3: Every episode is us just in mental decline?

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Speaker 2: Listen?

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Speaker 1: So I know we talked about this at some point,

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Speaker 1: I think on a bonus, but somebody did email us

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Speaker 1: and it was like a funny email saying, oh, I

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Speaker 1: was listening to the podcast and then suddenly.

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Speaker 2: Millie's voice go really slow, and I thought she was

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Speaker 2: having a stroke.

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Speaker 1: And as it turns out, I accidentally pressed the button

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Speaker 1: that changes the speed episode, and.

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Speaker 3: But my voice apparently didn't change at all.

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Speaker 2: Which.

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Speaker 3: He's just wonder like, how do I sound in general?

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Speaker 3: That's that's part.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: And then because like when I read the first part

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Speaker 1: of the email, I was like, oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: started freaking out because I was like.

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Speaker 2: What if that happens?

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Speaker 1: What if somebody listens to an episode and is like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she like has an inoperable brain tumor.

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Speaker 1: I can hear it in her voice, like you need

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Speaker 1: to go to the doctor immediately.

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Speaker 2: It's like that show What's that?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know the show, but it's like an

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Speaker 1: HGTV show where the guy apparently what are the hosts

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Speaker 1: of this HGTV show, had like some kind of bump

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Speaker 1: on his neck and this viewer was watching the show

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Speaker 1: and said, I'm a nurse, you should get that checked out.

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Speaker 2: And as it turns out, it was like a cancerous tumor.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know.

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Speaker 1: And so since I heard about that story, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh no, Like what if what if somebody listens to

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Speaker 1: an episode and was like.

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Speaker 2: I can hear it. She's her hairlines receding.

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Speaker 4: Like what if our listeners are like those cats that

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Speaker 4: sit on beds at nursing homes and they're like, you're

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Speaker 4: the next one that's gonna die?

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Speaker 1: Yes, like some like again, like that old lady from

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Speaker 1: the Banshees of ben A shearange just like this this

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Speaker 1: extra sense.

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Speaker 2: I'm just freaked out by that.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that it was literally just somebody pressing a

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Speaker 1: button wrong and.

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Speaker 4: Not but you still, you still have to tell them

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Speaker 4: what skhost is or else they're gonna be Okay, fire

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Speaker 4: up those feline deathmongers.

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Speaker 1: SKOSK stands for serial Killer or self Care once again.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god. But

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Speaker 3: it's my turn. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know it is your turn.

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Speaker 1: The last time we played serial Killer or Self Care

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Speaker 1: aka SKOSK, it was like an big oversized episode because

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Speaker 1: you did it for summer. It was ten questions. We

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Speaker 1: got a lot of feedback about it, as we always

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Speaker 1: do so and.

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Speaker 4: You got a lot of them, right, You got most

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Speaker 4: of them right, Yeah, all but one that nobody knows me.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows me like you, Milly.

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Speaker 2: Wow. That's I'm honored.

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Speaker 1: And that's just because we have to talk to each

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Speaker 1: other on a podcast so often that I've picked up

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Speaker 1: so many details.

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Speaker 4: I can't stop sending you just in our work, yes,

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Speaker 4: but in our friendship. I can't stop sending you those

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Speaker 4: weird baby doll videos on Instagram. Like you get the

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Speaker 4: sense of my humor and what's going on in my

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Speaker 4: head through the memes I send you all the time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, for these folks, I have no idea what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about once again.

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Speaker 2: So Danielle sends me memes constantly.

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Speaker 1: It's a pure source of joy for me every day.

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Speaker 1: Somehow Danielle has gotten on this algorithm on Instagram of these,

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Speaker 1: I want to say, a South.

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Speaker 2: American, I don't know where these videos are being.

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Speaker 4: Either either, And there multiple sources, not just one source.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely basically somebody is taking like an actual doll that

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Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And the music is like super

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Speaker 1: duper fast, like electronic music, and it's so fucking funny

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Speaker 4: My algorithm is so permanently fucked and I love it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny because anytime I've sent those

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Speaker 1: videos to other people in my life, they're like, what

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Speaker 1: is wrong with you? I'm like, clearly, it's just a

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Speaker 1: Danielle And I think then really only two people.

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Speaker 2: On earth that thinks that that think that that's funny,

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Speaker 2: and everybody else thinks we're broken.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, we.

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Speaker 4: Have these, we have these two things. We know each

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Speaker 4: other well, and I can't wait for this round.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's this is a fast one. It's only five questions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but more potential for you to get things wrong

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Speaker 1: or right. I will say I have a feeling you're

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Speaker 1: going to breeze through all of them just because.

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Speaker 3: No pressure. No no pressure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So serial killer or self care question number one?

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Speaker 1: Not doing the wobble when it comes on at a

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Speaker 1: party or family.

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Speaker 4: Reunion, Oh for you, serial killer, Absolutely correct. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: you do the wabble in the grocery store if the

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Speaker 4: music hits right.

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Speaker 1: I get so fucking pissed when you're like at a

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Speaker 1: thing and then the wobble comes on and people are like.

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Speaker 2: No, out that I don't do it.

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Speaker 4: There are songs that are designed for you to shake

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Speaker 4: your ass and a fool and you have to just

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Speaker 4: go with it, like let go of yourself and just

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Speaker 4: just be part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I went to one of my one of my friends

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Speaker 1: in my dance class, Patrise, the best, simply the best.

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Speaker 1: Her and her twin brother had this like fiftieth birthday

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Speaker 1: party a while ago, and it was so fucking fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, our dance teacher was the DJ. He was

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Speaker 1: like totally all the way up, He's awesome. But then

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Speaker 1: like you know, obviously we were doing like the wobble

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Speaker 1: least three husbands with like this shitty look on their face,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not getting up and dancing. I don't dance

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Speaker 1: in public. I don't do And I was just like,

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Speaker 1: and it's just like it's an easy dance to learn.

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Speaker 2: If you just watch people do it for five seconds,

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Speaker 1: And it's just like a fun way to like, I

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Speaker 2: And so if you're if you are being that shitty

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Speaker 2: person that's like I refuse to do it. You're a

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Speaker 2: serial killer. That's some concern.

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Speaker 3: I'm right there with you. And you know me, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't have the kind of joy in my heart

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Speaker 4: that makes me want to dance on the rigs. I

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Speaker 4: just don't have it. But at a party, if there's

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Speaker 4: At most parties, I will still dance and make a

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Speaker 3: I'm very bad at it. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: But you don't need moves.

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Speaker 3: For like the wobble, no for the electric slide.

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Speaker 1: Really you don't need you know, I'm just saying like,

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, it's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: To me, it feels like, just do it, Just fucking

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Speaker 1: do it. It doesn't even matter. It doesn't require any

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Speaker 1: like intricate dance moves. It doesn't even really require joy.

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Speaker 1: Like there are people in there going all right, fine,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it. Fine, they're not loving it, but they're

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Speaker 3: So No, you could be a mean drunk and still

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Speaker 3: do the wobble you can.

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Speaker 4: How about this for a for a SoundBite, for a

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Speaker 4: ring tone, just do the stanky leg, Well, you just

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Speaker 4: do the stanky leg?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: Will you do it?

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Speaker 3: For me?

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Speaker 1: For all of us, for humanity? I love the stanky leg.

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Speaker 1: Don't even get me started. The stanky leg is harder

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Speaker 4: So I make it anyway, a T shirt just for

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Speaker 4: you and me that says I love the stanky leg.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I got it. Nobody else buys our merchant. It's

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Speaker 1: just us buying our own merch. I'm okay.

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Speaker 2: So you got one right, Oh my god, you at.

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Speaker 1: Least got twenty percent. Okay, here we go. Number two

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Speaker 1: serial killer self care screaming at people who are massively

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Speaker 1: jaywalking from the open window of your car.

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Speaker 3: For you, that is a serial killer move.

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Speaker 1: Ah, actually, don't care, it's self care, babe, self shit.

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Speaker 4: Okay, explain massively jaywalking. Maybe that's the hold up.

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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, that's a hard one because it can go

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Speaker 1: truly either way.

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Speaker 2: I personally, Okay, this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: About moving back to Atlanta that I have really it

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Speaker 1: has really become very clear that literally nobody.

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Speaker 2: Goes to a crosswalk like ever.

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Speaker 1: Ever, and it happens in all parts of town, all

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Speaker 1: parts rich, poor, you know, busy, desolate, whatever you want to.

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Speaker 2: Nobody crosses out a crosswalk.

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Speaker 1: And I guess it's because I've adjusted my perspective on

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Speaker 1: that because of living in LA and it's like everybody

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Speaker 1: tries to follow the rules there because if you don't,

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Speaker 1: if you jaywalk, you will get killed, like period.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in Atlanta that's the same scenario too, where you're

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Speaker 1: just like, yo, there are people who like breeze through

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So when people are jaywalking, it enrages me because I'm

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Speaker 1: just like, you are ruining the flow of traffic. But

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Speaker 1: also you're putting yourself in danger. Yeah, and I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you right now. I live across the street from a

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Speaker 1: giant golf course, so there are drunk white dudes massively

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Speaker 1: jaywalking all the time.

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Speaker 3: No, see that that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes perfect sense because I think I was thinking, Oh,

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Speaker 4: they're just in a crosswalk and they're slow, or they're

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Speaker 4: talking to a friend. But like, there's no crosswalk involve

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Speaker 4: there's just people zombie walking all over the roads.

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Speaker 3: I was just screaming out my window too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And that's so that's what I did.

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Speaker 1: Like the other the other week, there was some event

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Speaker 2: Like five bros who were who didn't even really look.

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Speaker 1: They were like just hey, guys, we own the world,

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Speaker 1: so we get to walk wherever we want to. And

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Speaker 1: I literally down my window and was like, you know, motherfuckers.

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Speaker 4: Ah. I think that's why it's also surprising to me

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Speaker 4: because I've never seen you shout out of a car window.

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Speaker 1: Oh I listen alone, I have I kind of all

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Speaker 2: Rest of the week.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like and then one of them like does the

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Speaker 3: They know what they're doing, they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they just think they can get away with it,

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm yelling at them for jaywalking is self care to

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Speaker 4: So anyway, I'm sad I got it wrong, but I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, Okay, So you're one and one right now,

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Speaker 1: no one correct, one wrong? Okay, So the third the

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 4: Did not even have to think about it? Did you

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Speaker 4: have to tee it up? Absolute serial killer. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: Also, you have your own choke on, my own hold on.

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Speaker 4: You have your own incredible sense of style. I have

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Speaker 4: And I know that we have talked about this when

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Speaker 4: and like all yes, absolute serial killer territory.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean far being from me to like call

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Speaker 1: doles out this asinine shit like socks are over guys like,

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Speaker 1: I'm against the fact that everybody thinks they're an expert.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, from your perch, in your limited existence, how

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Speaker 3: Don't tell you what to do. I like socks. I'm

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Speaker 4: And these are the same people who made like Seinfeld

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Speaker 3: Are you fucking kidding me? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I got married in sketchers and that's the only shoe

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 4: Like it's truly the I read the Strategist all the time,

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Speaker 4: of a velcrow wallet because they've been paid by a

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Speaker 4: big bell crow, the big velve crow. Because that's always

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Speaker 4: what's underlying all of these experts. It's like, how much

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Speaker 4: you have to tell us this is the new trend,

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Speaker 4: and then you start seeing them everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's totally that.

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Speaker 1: It's so insiduous and like, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: like I the friends that I have that do this

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Speaker 1: get me wrong, but they're also serial killers. Admit that

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Speaker 1: It's totally fine.

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Speaker 4: Just lead with that I'm a serial killer. Here's what

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Speaker 4: I think you should be wearing for fall. The only

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Speaker 4: from a mental health facility, like they escaped with all

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Speaker 4: of the arts and crafts, but they're they're wearing all

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Speaker 4: of the arts and crafts materials.

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Speaker 3: That's yeah, no exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I only follow the fashion advice of like

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Speaker 1: Like what's your secret? And it's like, the secret is

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Speaker 4: The secret is I have diarrhea every day and I

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Speaker 3: That's why I wear breakaway shorts.

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Speaker 1: But they're not calling themselves fashion next time, you know,

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Speaker 3: So exactly. I agree serial killer all the way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've gotten now to right one wrong. Number

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Speaker 1: four serial killer or self care? This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: easy for you. I can't even believe I wrote it,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, going to a dinner in someone's home

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Speaker 1: and decimating most of the cheeseboard by yourself within the

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Speaker 3: This is actually hard for me.

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Speaker 2: This is actually hard.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say serial killer for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, No it's not. I'm it's self care.

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Speaker 3: It's so hard because I think it's self care for me.

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Speaker 2: But I also know.

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Speaker 4: That, like when you go to someone's house with someone's party,

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Speaker 4: you're so like polite.

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Speaker 3: And joyous and with it and in it.

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine you hunching over a cheese board not

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Speaker 4: talking to people for fifteen minutes when you go to

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Speaker 1: I did it like a couple of weeks ago, which

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Speaker 1: is what inspired this pitchup. Oh my god, I truly

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Speaker 1: thought that you were gonna say it is self care.

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Speaker 4: I thought self care instantly, that was my instinct.

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Speaker 3: And then I thought she's trying to trick me.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I hate that she's.

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Speaker 1: Trying to tread for you many times.

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Speaker 4: Ah, but also again, like you at a party, Eventually

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Speaker 4: we'll get to the cheeseboard and wreck shop. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: but the first fifteen to twenty minutes. That's what threw

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I mean, listen, I normally follow

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Speaker 1: I was at a dinner party the other night, and uh,

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Speaker 1: there was this beautiful cheeseboard. I was basically friends with

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling awkward. Plus this cheese is fucking delicious, and

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Speaker 1: I just polished it. I just polished it, and I

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Speaker 1: was sort of like, wow, I really went to town. There's

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Speaker 4: That those figs are history. Well, you know, I also

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Speaker 4: like super duper self care about that is it depends

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Speaker 4: that cheeseboard is the only food you're going to see.

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Speaker 4: So if you show a hungry like go to town.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know, it's like a true moment of self

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Speaker 1: care in that way, because you're like, yeah, what if

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Speaker 1: this dinner doesn't deliver, right, I have to load up

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Speaker 1: on this charcoti and shit, because I will literally starve

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Speaker 1: at this beautiful dinner party.

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Speaker 2: And so that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like in the moment, I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I know, this looks like I'm a serial killer,

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Speaker 1: but actually I'm fucking taking care of myself. I'm like

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Speaker 1: making sure the body is fueled for all of the

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Speaker 1: wonderful conversation I'll have.

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Speaker 2: For the rest of the night.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, at that moment, I was like, self care,

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Speaker 1: That's why I answered it.

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Speaker 4: Then I am furious with myself right now that I'm dude,

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Speaker 4: only got too right, and I have gotten the fact

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Speaker 4: that I've gotten too wrong.

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Speaker 3: I have to come hang out with you. I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's been po long. I need to.

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Speaker 4: I need to reup and be around my millie for

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Speaker 4: a little while so I can remember the self care

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Speaker 4: aspects of a cheeseboard.

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking shocked.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but look, you have one more to get over

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Speaker 1: the fifty percent. Okay, so maybe if we just we

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Speaker 1: got we can do more right than wrong at this point. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is the last one.

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Speaker 2: Sarah killer or self care.

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Speaker 1: People who have chaotic front yards with tons of Kooki

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Speaker 1: folk art garden flags statuary, Trellis's Suncatchers, Gnomes et cetera, serial.

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Speaker 6: Killer, it is solf care. Wow fuck wow, the fuck that.

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Speaker 4: Never happened before is devastating to me. I cannot even

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Speaker 4: record this episode. I'm devastated.

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Speaker 3: Are you fucking kidding me?

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Speaker 1: You saw my front yard right like when you came over,

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, look at all those does not look

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Speaker 3: I haven't spa.

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Speaker 1: I had bird houses, bird feeding tubes, and it's so.

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Speaker 3: Teachful, it's incredibly tasteful.

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Speaker 4: I do not roll up to your house and think,

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Speaker 4: look at this fucking maniac in here.

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Speaker 1: I'm just scared of Maybe maybe I'm not like full

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm the I'm a dabbler. Now, I

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Speaker 1: have to say age wise, I'm like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't love a completely bare front yard.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, let's put some fucking like statuary in there,

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Speaker 1: Let's get a bird bath, let's get let's get a

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Speaker 1: garden flag let me tell you.

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Speaker 4: Why this question was so mean, because that happen into

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Speaker 4: your fucking house. Your ship doesn't even extend beyond the porch.

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Speaker 4: It's not even in the yard. It's in the yard.

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Speaker 2: What Yeah, I have Okay, in the in the yard,

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Speaker 2: I have like raised beds.

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Speaker 1: But then I have like little barrels full of things,

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Speaker 1: and it's like I'm, yes, I'm it starts in the porch,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: The porch is kind of chaotic because I.

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Speaker 3: Have all those those cactive that I.

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Speaker 1: Brought from la and all these like what is it

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Speaker 1: the tele avera pottery stuff Like I'm just like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have like the sun's like the sun things.

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Speaker 2: But then it's like it's spilling out on the on

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Speaker 3: I gotta visit now, I gotta come check this shit out.

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Speaker 1: Granted it's been a while and I want to and

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Speaker 1: I want to say, the last time that you were here,

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Speaker 1: that shit back. But look, I am so fucking close.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I noticed that on like there's an attachment for a flag,

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Speaker 1: of the porch.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, should I get a fucking flag? Dude? What

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Speaker 2: kind of flag would you get?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, And that's why the possibilities are endless.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what kind of flag are we gonna put

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00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: on this thing? And the thing is like, you know,

445
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: it's not a mini flag thing. It is a huge

446
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: like I could buy a full sized fucking flag if

447
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: I want to.

448
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 4: And I'm like, like, I could go hit up a

449
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: veteran be like, give me that fucking triangle and then

450
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 4: just fly it.

451
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 2: Off my goddamn porch.

452
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: Break in.

453
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: I know it.

454
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, should have put like a Hawks flag

455
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: on there? I love the Hawks, but that's like a

456
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: huge statement. It's a huge statement.

457
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: To have sports team flag outside of your house.

458
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: And then it's gotta be seasonal. And let me tell

459
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 4: you why. I also said serial killer. Think about where

460
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 4: I live out here in these woods. When those yards

461
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: pop up around here, you haven't those are hermits, Like

462
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 4: you haven't even seen the person who lives there for

463
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 4: seven hundred years. And it's always like, all right, let

464
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 4: me look past the garden gnome with bottle cap eyes.

465
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: And just beyond it, it's always a sign that's like.

466
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 4: Gas prices are higher than Hunter Biden, Like it always

467
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 4: has a political tinge.

468
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Speaker 3: To it, Oh my god, exactly.

469
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 4: And it's always like, oh god, we're going into the

470
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Speaker 4: mouth of madness here.

471
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: I know, dude. Okay, this one was mean.

472
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Now the time was mean because truly, Like that's the

473
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: thing is that, Like I think part of the reason,

474
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Speaker 1: like my thinking about this was that, yes, whenever you

475
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: see those yards, you're like, that's where spoon Man.

476
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 3: Lives or whoever. You know, You're like, you're like, who

477
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: is this?

478
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: Like folk artist?

479
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: Definitely a hermit, definitely like a cat horner, like somebody

480
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: is living here.

481
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Speaker 2: But that's what I'm trying to embrace is to be like,

482
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm not too cool for this. Hell, I'm I'm maybe

483
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: part of the way there.

484
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: I would never war an animals, but I definitely love

485
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: weird ass folk art. And I'm gonna be that house

486
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: that's scariest shit, and I guess that's the way it's

487
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: gonna be. But I see why you would confuse it

488
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: for a serial killer, because look pretty serial killery.

489
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

490
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: Okay, So for Christmas, I'm sending you some of those

491
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 4: cloth rainbow pin wheels you can put in your yard,

492
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 4: and a megaphone you can carry in your car when

493
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 4: you're yelling at Jaywalker's and a fucking blank diary so

494
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: you can tell.

495
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Me who the hell you are now I know.

496
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Wow, we turned a corner here, What the.

497
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: Fuck you have changed?

498
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: And I wasn't there to witness it, so I didn't

499
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: know all this information.

500
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: Look y'all, y'all have some clues the cinnamon broom fanaticism, like,

501
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: but that's.

502
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 4: Inside and your house smells delicious. It's inside the house

503
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: smell's great. You can hide a cinnamon burnmit a closet and.

504
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 3: Your house still smell awesome.

505
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: So now that they get you got three wrong out

506
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: of five, I am actually very shocked by this.

507
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: I'm fucking quitting this podcast right now. Oh we are done, but.

508
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: As we know, this game is fucking tough. I have

509
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: been there and I've gotten out of it through the

510
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: skin of my teeth. So listen next what next time

511
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: this happens, we can redeem ourselves.

512
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Speaker 4: I'm just saying that this is devastating to me personally.

513
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: Clearly we have not hung out enough this year. I

514
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: will rectify that. But I also am ready to put

515
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: you on a watch list from these things that I'm here, like,

516
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: this is the phase of life you're in. I support you,

517
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 4: but I'm also I'm ready. I'm gonna get some medicare

518
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: forms filled out. I'm gonna get you on the AARP

519
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: list and doing your will because you have skipped seventeen

520
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 4: birthdays and you're now in your sixties yelling at people out.

521
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: Of your car window and filling your arm.

522
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: With Josh Keys. You're just I'm like so many birthdays.

523
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like doing the wobble with my walker.

524
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's justus.

525
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 4: You're a loaded parties eating cheese, doing the wobble.

526
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: You're filling your yard with shit. Damn. Maybe I shouldn't

527
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: have done this.

528
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: Maybe we should have just not gone down this road.

529
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: Because now that you're now that you're saying it back to.

530
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: Me, oh, I might have revealed too much just now.

531
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: That's that's the dark underbelly of serial killer or self

532
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: care is you will have a mild personal hangover after

533
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 4: we're done recording and be like, shit, am I like that?

534
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: I do it?

535
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: Every time every time you answer, I'm like, yeah, I

536
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: gotta I gotta look into that that part of myself.

537
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: Oh god, because she came back with that yes too quick,

538
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 4: she came back with that self care too quick.

539
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 7: Well look on that note transition into this theme this week,

540
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 7: but I know I can't even take a break to

541
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 7: take a dump.

542
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 4: I already took my dump and already my diet code.

543
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: There's no healthy transition.

544
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think maybe you know what we

545
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: can say to this theme is that you know it's

546
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: a it's a recurring one. We've done it many times

547
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: before this one. I was politicking for for a long time.

548
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I cannot wait for you to tell them

549
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 5: what it is, because you really, I think from the beginning,

550
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 5: you're like, this was one of the first entries yes

551
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 5: on your list for this day one.

552
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: I was a Day one on this theme.

553
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: So our theme this week is all the way up

554
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Willem dfo.

555
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: We're finally doing him. I mean, whole career, whole career,

556
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: all the way up, dude.

557
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but like, okay, so Willem

558
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: Dafoe to me is like one of these actors that

559
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: is in like every cool movie that I've ever loved

560
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: and he seems to have the craziest sort of acting career,

561
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: like the characters that he plays. He typically plays a

562
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: lot of villains and a lot of creeps, which I love,

563
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: But he has been I read a lot about him

564
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: obviously before we were doing this episode. He's been in

565
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: like pretty like pretty close to one hundred and fifty

566
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: movies unreal in his career, and I'm like, how does

567
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: that person make so many movies and is known for

568
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: the person that he is from that actor's perspective, because

569
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: it's like most people are like you know, oh, you know,

570
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: like here's a guy that plays all the creeps in

571
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: every movie, but he's only been in like twelve movies, right,

572
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: And also, you know.

573
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Speaker 4: He plays so many different He plays creeps frequently, but

574
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: they are all different, they all have a different tinge

575
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: to them. And I was reading and listening to a

576
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 4: lot of interviews about his acting style and he's like, yeah,

577
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: like I don't approach it. He's just he's a very

578
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: down to earth and kind person. It seems from the

579
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: interviews I've listened to, like he's a hippie at HERR

580
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 4: and just like has had a very fascinating life, but

581
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 4: he's really just like, yeah, I just you know, I'm

582
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 4: there to work and make the work come to life,

583
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Speaker 4: and I don't, you know, carry a lot of ego

584
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: about it, and I'm not trying to do something wild

585
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: on purpose that if it doesn't fit the tone of

586
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Speaker 4: the film. He's like, I'm just kind of there to

587
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: help everybody. And I'm like, that's really.

588
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: A sweet way to approach these individual creeps.

589
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

590
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Speaker 1: Well, and like to maybe back that up a little bit.

591
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Speaker 1: I mean, he played a lot of creeps early in

592
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Speaker 1: his career obviously, but then at a certain point, you know,

593
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Speaker 1: he was in the Spider Man like Spiderman franchise at

594
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: one point, he was He's been in big movies. You know,

595
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Speaker 1: he has kind of working relationships with different directors like

596
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, Paul Schrader and Wes Anderson and.

597
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: Robert Egger and Lars von Trier. Oh, don't even get

598
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: me started.

599
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: But that's the thing is like, so he can definitely

600
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: play a creep and a weird dude. He could also

601
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: play nice dudes like in the Wes Anderson movies, and

602
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, stuff like that. But then

603
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: he also is like really ballsy. I mean the von

604
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Trier movies that he's been in are totally insane. Like

605
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that he was in

606
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: Body of Evidence with Donna, you know, so he can

607
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: play like an erotic thriller guy but also like some

608
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: murder biker guy but then be like a nice grandpa.

609
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it is wild, and yeah, he's he has

610
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: an incredible range, so I don't I don't want to

611
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: limit him to creeps, but he does it so well

612
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: that it's like he's he's known for specific roles because

613
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: he has brought such a specific intensity to something and

614
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: is just so good at in the character. Yeah, he's

615
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: he can do he can do anything.

616
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: I think he's proven in his career that he can

617
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: do anything and he always does it to the mechs.

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00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the first time that I really, like, you know,

620
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: basically focused on him as an actor. I mean I've

621
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: seen him in things obviously forever, but it wasn't until

622
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: I saw this movie called Shadow of the Vampire that

623
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: was released in two thousand. It was that movie with

624
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: John Malkovich where Willem Dafoe plays an actual real person,

625
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Max Shrek, who was the guy that played Count orlock

626
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: in Nosferatu, okay, And so in my mind I was like,

627
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, Willem Dafoe is perfect for this role,

628
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: because Willem Dafoe is also.

629
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: This creepy European vampire guy.

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Speaker 1: As it turns out, Willem Dafoe was on July twenty second,

631
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five in Appleton, Wisconsin.

632
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Speaker 4: That is the most stunning fact of his life to me.

633
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: I don't care if he tells me he jitterbugged on

634
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: Stalin's grave.

635
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: The fact that he's from Wisconsin is always going to

636
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: be the most shocking thing about him to me.

637
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 4: And that his name is William, Yes, William Dafoe from Wisconsin.

638
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: He's not Willem Dafoe from fucking Transylvania, like what exactly.

639
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: He's not Willem the Horrible from a crypt in Eastern

640
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: Europe like I always fucking thought.

641
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 4: I've never even seen anything that looks like his face

642
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: in Wisconsin.

643
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: I went to school there for two years.

644
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: Never saw anything even approaching this man's face in any shadow.

645
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: That to me is really interesting too, because when you

646
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: read about him, you know he he actually for like

647
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: very early in his career and kind of out throughout

648
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: his whole life. It was he was very into, you know,

649
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: experimental theater. He was part of the Wooster Group, and

650
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, he had he was actually with the director

651
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: of the Wooster Group, Elizabeth Lecompte, I think that's her name.

652
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: They have a kid together.

653
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: They were together for like almost thirty years and you

654
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: never got married, but they were together and they were

655
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: in the same kind of theater group. So it's funny because, yeah,

656
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: there's probably William from Wisconsin in there somewhere, but the

657
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Speaker 1: person we know is Willem who's an experimental actor and

658
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: plays creeps and vampires and other eccentric characters, right.

659
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again to listen to him talk, he doesn't.

660
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Speaker 4: He's not bifurcating himself at all. Like he seems like

661
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: a very cohesive, mentally healthy person. He's like, yeah, I'm William,

662
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 4: I'm Willim whatever, like it's all fine, and I'm like,

663
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: you're you're You're astounding to me.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he I mean to that point.

665
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: He has that kind of like nice sky wisconsiny vibe

666
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: any time. Even when I saw the special features on

667
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: your film this week.

668
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so sweet. He's playing the craziest dude to

669
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: ever live on film.

670
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: But he is like, he's just all schucks about it

671
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: and I love that. I love that so much.

672
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: So it is again, I don't know how he came

673
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: from Appleton and became who he is, but we are

674
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: all better off for it, and he just seems like

675
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: a really remarkable dude.

676
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Speaker 1: Yes, we are here to salute our all the way up.

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00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: King Willem Dafoe. I think you're Are you going first

678
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: this week?

679
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm going first.

680
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: My god, I cannot wait this movie.

681
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: My movie was released in nineteen ninety. It was written

682
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: and directed by David Lynch and based on the book

683
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: Wild at Heart by Barry Gifford. My movie is Wild

684
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: at Heart and go to the far.

685
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: End of the world for you, baby, man.

686
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 4: I can't ask for man.

687
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Speaker 3: This is weirdly.

688
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Speaker 4: We've talked about David Lynch before on the podcast if

689
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: you listen to our Elephant Man episode, we've talked about

690
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: his career a little bit, and there's so much information

691
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: about him out there that if you are at all

692
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: curious about David Lynch or like him even a little bit,

693
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: I highly recommend you go and seek it out. We

694
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: could do an entire season of episodes on David Lynch.

695
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: Definitely.

696
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: But what I will say, it's strange to me about

697
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: this film, which is probably one of my favorites of his,

698
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 4: This seems to me like his most narratively cohesive film

699
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: aside from Elephant Man. Yes, even though there's lots of

700
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: strange elements in it, it seems like it has the

701
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: most cohesive narrative storyline, which I appreciate because the story

702
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: is wild, and if it weren't told in the way

703
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: that that he's he's told it that he's written in

704
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: for the screen, I think it could get a lot

705
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: of stuff could get lost in translation.

706
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I totally agree with you.

707
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: I think it's probably I mean, it's like a straight

708
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: up romance, like it's a romantic film. So that in

709
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: and of it's I think is what makes it kind

710
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: of the most linear or maybe one of his most linear,

711
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: straight up narratives.

712
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And it's there's also there's so much obvious

713
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 4: there's so many obvious nods to the Wizard of Oz

714
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: in this film, and so I think that's also kind

715
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: of gives us something else to look at, you know,

716
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: with the red shoes and they're talking about Yellow Brick Road,

717
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: and there's just like the Good Witch, like there's just

718
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: so many different elements of the Wizard of Oz that

719
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: I think it kind of does something different from a

720
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: lot of David Lynch films, which it kind of forces

721
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: you to focus on the story in a different way

722
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: once you realize that that's what they're doing. So it

723
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 4: kind of adds another layer, a heightened layer for me

724
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: of as a viewer, which I which I appreciate. And

725
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: the movie is insane. It's an insane film, don't get

726
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: int twisted. It's an insane film. But because this week

727
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: we're focusing on all the way up King Willem Dafoe,

728
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to be quick about discussing what film is and.

729
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: Then we're gonna get right into it with him. Oh

730
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: my gosh.

731
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 4: So my one sentence synopsis of Wild at Heart is

732
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: a sex crazed couple of young lovers make their way

733
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: across the country and run into a variety of characters

734
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 4: as they're trying to outrun bounty hunters.

735
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: Her action, right, That's kind of.

736
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 3: What it's about.

737
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: So the cast is incredible. You've got Nicholas Cage playing

738
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: sailor and Laura Dern playing Lula, Laura Durn's real life mother.

739
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: Diane Ladd plays her mother in the film Marietta. You've

740
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: got Isabella Rossellini, Harry Dean, Stanton Gray, Sabriski, sherylyn Fenn,

741
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: like a lot of John Lurie, Like just a lot

742
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: of David Lynch's go tos are in this film. Calvin Lockhart,

743
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 4: like just all these great actors that you have seen

744
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: in other films but are just inhabiting such different roles.

745
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: Isabella Rossellini is almost unrecognizable, even though, like when she

746
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 4: starts talking you kind of realize it's who she is.

747
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: But she's got this like super bleached blonde hair and

748
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: straight eyebrow, straight thick eyebrows. And I love that he's

749
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: able to use the same ensemble.

750
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: But bore they.

751
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: I think they were dating when they end this movie, right,

752
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: I think, so yeah together?

753
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I swear.

754
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I was actually googling photos of David

755
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: Lynch and Isabella Rossellini as a couple, and I was like, damn,

756
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: this is a pairing for the ages. I don't know

757
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: what happened between them.

758
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: I hate that they busted up that union.

759
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: But sincerely.

760
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: I know, I hate it.

761
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 4: I hate to speculate about anyone else's relationship ever, but

762
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: I kind of they is Isabella Rossellini and David Lynch and.

763
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: Angelicy Houston and Jack Nicholson.

764
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, you couldn't make it work, y'all.

765
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I wish. I wish they had stay

766
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: together for fifty years. But you know what, sometimes it's

767
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: too hot, the pairing is too hot, and.

768
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: We got so much great art out of it, so

769
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: I'll let it lie.

770
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 4: We got something, They gave us something in the process,

771
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: so thank you for that. But the movie also starts

772
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: out in such a distinctive storytelling way, so within the

773
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: first two minutes of the movie, you have a full

774
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 4: scope of not only what the story is, what the

775
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: impetus for the story is, but who each character is.

776
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 4: And he does it so swiftly that it's almost amazing

777
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: to watch and rewatch. So we're we start out with Sailor.

778
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Speaker 3: And Lula kind of leaving a dance.

779
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: This guy comes up to Sailor, who's the Nicholas Cage character,

780
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: and it's like, Hey, I Marietta just told me that

781
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: you tried to, you know, make a pass at her

782
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 4: and I'm going to kill you, and instead what happens

783
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 4: is Sailor commits violent manslaughter on the spot while Lula

784
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: is shouting in the background and her mom's looking on.

785
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: Just instant violence. They have this one. I also think

786
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: the soundtrack of this film is crucial because they have

787
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 4: this one song they for or a couple of different songs,

788
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 4: but one really fast paced song they play for the

789
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: Sailor and Lula going like kind of wilding scenes. And

790
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: it's also it's not like another movie that we've covered

791
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: on the podcast Natural Born Killers, like that the focus

792
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: of their life isn't violence in Mayhem, it's they're trying

793
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: to be in love and be together in a world

794
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: that doesn't that wants to keep them apart. So I

795
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: think that, you know, a lot of the violence we

796
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: see is in reaction to that. So it starts out

797
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 4: wild and from the beginning we understand that Marietta does

798
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 4: not want Lula.

799
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Speaker 3: To be with Sailor at all.

800
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: He goes to prison after this this manslaughter that he's committed,

801
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 4: gets out two years later, immediately hooks up with Lula

802
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 4: and she runs away with him, and he's basically like, hey,

803
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: you know it's movie cool. I've been thinking about like

804
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: skipping parole and just going to California with you, and

805
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: she's like, I'm on board.

806
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I'm twenty years old. This makes sense

807
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: to me.

808
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: So it's really like sex fueled kind of like instantly

809
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: sexy kind of movie.

810
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: And they're on the run and Mariette.

811
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: Has hired the Harry Dean Stanton character, who's the character's

812
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 4: name is Johnny Farragut to kind of go find them.

813
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: But then there's this other guy in her life named

814
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: Santos who she's kind of hired to go after them

815
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: as well. And he's like, yeah, I'll go after them

816
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: if you let me kill Farragut because they're both kind

817
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 4: of vying for her love and attention. And it just

818
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: becomes this again, this David Lynchian road trip through southern

819
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: the southern part of America with all the dust and

820
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: lust and craziness that you you could imagine. So what

821
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 4: I really want to focus on, now that we kind

822
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: of know what the what the film is about, is

823
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: how do we get to Willem Dafoe being all the

824
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: way up in a movie that has this kind of

825
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: shit going on. So we have Sailor again, Nicholas Cage,

826
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 4: who in real life idolizes Elvis Presley kind of dressed

827
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: and looking like Elvis Presley.

828
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: And this is.

829
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: Also where for me anyway, the first time I saw

830
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: him doing like karate kicks as dance moves, which has

831
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: since become parodied. But he really let loose in this

832
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 4: film in a way that I feel like was very

833
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: close to who he might be as a person.

834
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was like, yo, this is the role

835
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: I was born to play.

836
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: It like alvious, obsessed, like rockabilly adjacent dude with the

837
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: snakeskin jacket.

838
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going full on here, sol the fuck on.

839
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: And he has the funniest lines in this movie that

840
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: are and again, I've seen it several times.

841
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 3: I own it. I love it.

842
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 4: It is and you might have a hard time finding it,

843
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: so check out internet archive if you need to, if

844
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: you don't have the physical media. But he says things

845
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: like he's having this conversation with Lula and she's talking

846
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: about how she used to sneak cigarettes from her mom

847
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 4: when she was in like sixth or seventh grade, and

848
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: he goes, I think I started smoking when I was.

849
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: Four, and he just pose is in a way like what.

850
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: Is he gonna say?

851
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: And he says four years old.

852
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 7: I scream every time that that sentence is uttered, because

853
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 7: I was like, man, I figured we would talk about it.

854
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: Says I was like four. He started smoking in four,

855
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: and he's.

856
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: He's very thoughtful about it, but he's not apologetic. He's

857
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: just like, it's just the delivery of the line is

858
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: fucking perfection, and the line is hilarious and he delivers

859
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: it perfectly.

860
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: But he's that constantly in the film. Oh absolutely.

861
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: There's the other line where he's such a great simple

862
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: line read. But when Laura Dern is talking about cousin

863
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: Dell and the and the cockroaches in his underwear and

864
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: like he's just like his reaction to that is so

865
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: fucking funny.

866
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: And he constantly says shit to her, like she'll be

867
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 4: going off on a tail and he's like, the way

868
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 4: your mind works is a fucking mystery.

869
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: Like he'll just say shit.

870
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 4: It's like like I don't always get you, but but

871
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: I love that you are who you are. He's so

872
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 4: funny and he just really I also I want a

873
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 4: gift of them. In the car driving and he's just

874
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: like saluting constantly. They're just driving and smoking and he's

875
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: just saluting and like it's just he just embodies this

876
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 4: character in a way that you don't know his origin

877
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 4: story fully, but you can understand who he is fully

878
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 4: because of how Nicholas Kge is playing.

879
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Him in this film.

880
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

881
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: It is beautiful.

882
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: So you've got Sailor, and again he and Lula are

883
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 4: just absolutely like physically and they're just like psychotically in

884
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 4: love with each other. Yeah, and we get again just

885
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: a little bit of a glimpse into how they met,

886
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 4: or we don't really get a glimpse into how they met,

887
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: but we know that they've been together for you know,

888
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 4: a couple of years, and that you know, it's always

889
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 4: been chaos for them, primarily because Marietta doesn't want them together,

890
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: and we find out the reason why as the film progresses.

891
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: I will not ruin that for anybody. So then you

892
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 4: have Lula, whose father died by suicide by pouring kerosene

893
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: on himself and lighting himself on fire in their home

894
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: while she was in it.

895
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: She is very youthful, but she's not very young, if

896
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

897
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 4: Like she's very youthful, but she has a real darkness

898
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 4: to her as well. And part of her storyline, which

899
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 4: we do see play out, is when she was thirteen,

900
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: she was raped by one of her father's business partners,

901
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: and you know, that plays out in a way that

902
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: it's haunting and effective for her. So I appreciate that

903
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 4: in the world of David Lynn, she doesn't treat that,

904
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 4: he doesn't gloss over that. But it's also kind of

905
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 4: crucial to the storyline of who she is because you

906
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 4: can see her kind of searching for love and embodying

907
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: her physicality in a way that I think she had

908
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: to do in order to gain control and power again

909
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 4: in her own life. Because she's a very sexy character,

910
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 4: but she plays it in a way that it's not

911
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: she's not intentionally sexy, like she's not sexy for anyone else.

912
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: She kind of just is sexy for herself. So she

913
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: just has got so many incredible fucking looks in this movie,

914
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: like when she's dancing on the bed after she paints

915
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 4: her toenails and the cotton balls, or she's just dancing

916
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: and bouncing around.

917
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: So fun.

918
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: But it's also you know, it's a very young Laura Dern,

919
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: and she's just like this statuesque giraffe like beauty who's

920
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: just floating through this world, kind of unaware of anyone

921
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: but Sailor, like she only has eyes for him.

922
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: And she is.

923
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 4: Trying to make it work with her mom, trying to

924
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: have her mom in her life, but her mom's a

925
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: real fucking buzzkill for her, so she's we're also watching

926
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: her as the film progressive kind of slowly realize that

927
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: her mom is more detrimental to her life than she

928
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: is helpful.

929
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,479
Speaker 3: We have Mom again.

930
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: Diane Ladd her real life mother playing Marietta, and Marietta

931
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: is a fucking wild one. At one point, she's like

932
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 4: always having these little breakdowns in this kind of Southern

933
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: lady way where she's just like, it's very alcohol fueled.

934
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: But then she'll just start painting her whole face with

935
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 4: red lipstick out of nowhere and like screaming into phones.

936
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 4: And she's balancing these two men, you know, between Farragut

937
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: and Santo. So she's really interesting and overbearing and overpowering.

938
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 4: But the more we come to learn about her, you

939
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: kind of realize why she can't stand Sailor.

940
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: We also Eventually everyone kind of ends up in New

941
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: Orleans and we get to meet.

942
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: Grace Sabriskie, who's always playing a wild character. And in

943
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: this again we're getting to the reason why Williem Dafoe

944
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 4: is all the way up in this cast of characters,

945
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: because Grace Sbriskie is like, I got a leg brace

946
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: and a cane and I'm gonna be screaming about hunting

947
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: buffalo and making out with a bunch of dudes. She's

948
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: just like this dark like witch doctor, almost in a desert.

949
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: I know.

950
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: And it was funny because I watched an interview with

951
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: her all that special features of I mean, I still

952
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: have the standard def DVD right because I know it's

953
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: it's unavailable, because I'm like, oh, I need to keep

954
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: this DVD in case I want to watch it again.

955
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: So I have throughout the years. But there's an interview

956
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: with Grace of Briski, and I think she's so sweet.

957
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, this was a challenging character.

958
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: I was like, no shit, lady, Oh my god.

959
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 4: To say the fucking least, because she doesn't even show

960
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: up that often on screen, but every time she does

961
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: it is bonkers town mm hmmm. And then we have

962
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 4: Crispin Glover, who plays a man who puts cockroaches in

963
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: his underwear and makes sandwiches sandwiches, screams about about it

964
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: not being Christmas, and he is not the all the

965
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: way up character in this film.

966
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: See that's that's I mean to your earlier point about

967
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: this being one of the most cohesive, you know, linear

968
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: narrative David Lynch films, He's like, Okay, I'll do that,

969
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be some weird ass characters in my film.

970
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: Sorry.

971
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm gonna put a mister, a man named mister

972
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: Reindeer in here who gives out silver dollars as a

973
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 4: signal to murder.

974
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: While we show him kind of building a harem like

975
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: it is.

976
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 4: He just puts his own stamp on everything, and I

977
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 4: fucking love it. But this is the cast of characters

978
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: we're working with. So when Willem Dafoe turns up, which

979
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: by the way, isn't until like half of the film

980
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 4: is over, one like, he does so much were intense work,

981
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 4: all the way up work, and such a short amount

982
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 4: of time that it's kind of remarkable.

983
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: So, I mean, he is kind of the main thing.

984
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: Yet I remember about this film, and you're right.

985
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: The fact that he doesn't even come until it's halfway

986
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: over tells you. I think that he is the all

987
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: the way up King because he does a lot in

988
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: that short amount of time.

989
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So Sailor and Lula end up in this town

990
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: called Big Tuna. That's where they're driving so that he

991
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 4: could meet Isabella Rossolini and ask like, Hey, is there

992
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: a hitout on me?

993
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: By the way, and she's like, nope, everything's cool.

994
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: So they're kind of stranded in this town because Lula

995
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 4: is starting to feel roadsick.

996
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: And they're running out of money.

997
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: In Big Tuna, we meet people like Pruitt Taylor Vince.

998
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 4: And if Pruett Taylor Vince is showing up on your screen,

999
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: shit's about to go down.

1000
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: I don't care how you shake it.

1001
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: I know he's a versatile actor who's done several several

1002
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: different roles, But if Pruett Taylor Vince is showing up,

1003
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 4: you're in a weird place.

1004
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: You're in an abnormal geographical state.

1005
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: And Bobby Peru shows up one night, whether all just

1006
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 4: sitting around and talking, and everyone's kind of telling him

1007
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: what Big Tune.

1008
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: Is all about.

1009
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 4: And Bobby Peru's look is almost the most all the

1010
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: way up thing about him. This is an all the

1011
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: way up role that relies heavily on the teeth of

1012
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: this character. So Bobby Peru wears a fringed black leather

1013
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: jacket and a bolo tie with his black shirt and

1014
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 4: black pants, slicked back hair, I mean slicked back hair.

1015
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 4: He has a USMC tattoo on his his hand, the

1016
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 4: back of his hand, so sailors like, oh, you're.

1017
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 3: In the marines, huh.

1018
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: And he's got he's a little bit off kilter when

1019
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 4: he talks to people. He's very creepy when he stares

1020
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 4: at them. He's a little bit too intense, and he

1021
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 4: does this weird kind of intensity. It's a mix of intensity.

1022
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 4: Then he also just breaks into laughter instantly, which I

1023
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: think the character thinks is meant to put you at ease,

1024
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: but actually just heightens the fear a lot.

1025
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: So he just kind of puts people off.

1026
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 4: And sets them on edge instantly. And a large part

1027
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: of it is because he has these little corn nub

1028
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 4: teeth that are all gums, and it looks like his

1029
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 4: teeth were set on fire with a fucking lighter while

1030
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: they were in his mouth, and you know, I.

1031
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: Have genetically terrible teeth.

1032
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 4: I have to put a lot of time and effort

1033
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: and money into my fucking teeth. But these teeth were

1034
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 4: strugs to funk ha, and a pure indicator of someone

1035
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 4: who does not give a shit about themselves in any way,

1036
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: shape or form.

1037
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, I'm gonna post a video on

1038
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: our Instagram of Willem Dafoe, the actor, talking about wearing

1039
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: these teeth for the role of Bobby Peru, because it's

1040
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: so funny having him talk about, like, you know, having

1041
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: to wear them. You know, apparently he could even really

1042
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: talk with them in so the idea that he managed

1043
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: to form.

1044
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: Sentences in this film is kind of remarkable.

1045
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: But like, this guy is, beats permitted, one of the

1046
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: creepiest film characters ever for all of the things that

1047
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: you just set.

1048
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: It's like, here's this.

1049
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Like real mercurial ex marine living somewhere in Texas in

1050
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: a rural environments with these crazy ass teeth, you know,

1051
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: obviously dabbles in the crime world. And I'm like, that

1052
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: is truly everything that scares the shit out of me

1053
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: in one person.

1054
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: Like every time I get in my car, I'm afraid

1055
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 4: I'm going to run into Bobby Bird.

1056
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: It's like that's the kind of guy that, like, you

1057
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: and your high school friends are just like fucking.

1058
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: Around one day and then you run into somebody like

1059
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: that and it changes the trajectory.

1060
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: Of your life.

1061
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 4: You know.

1062
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, let's party, and you're like, no, not

1063
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: that guy.

1064
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 2: Holy shit, No, it's so true.

1065
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 4: We have run into that dude at them all and

1066
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: we're just like fucking around at the big letters in

1067
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: front of the kids place or the children's.

1068
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: Place or whatever.

1069
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 4: We're just taking pictures and being silly, and then here

1070
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 4: he comes and he's like, looks like you're having fun,

1071
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh my god, I have made a

1072
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 4: mistake with my whole life to end up in this

1073
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: place at this time meeting this man.

1074
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1075
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: It's like that's the second guy when you like are

1076
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: a high school ding dong.

1077
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: Stoner type that goes to the byweed and.

1078
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: That's like the second guy that's at the weed guy's

1079
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: house and you're like, dude, he's crazy, like Juna hang

1080
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: out and to that. Like that's the thing about when

1081
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: he comes into the scene when they're all outside kind

1082
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: of having beers in big tune or whatever, like Nicholas

1083
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: Cage and Laura Dern's characters are both like, oh hell.

1084
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 4: Oh we gotta go, We gotta go and lock the

1085
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 4: door immediately.

1086
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is.

1087
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 3: It's that gut instinct.

1088
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: But again, the visual of him also matches his countenance.

1089
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 4: And how like you said, you meet people like this

1090
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 4: occasionally in life and you just know to run away.

1091
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 4: There's nothing about them that indicates anything but get.

1092
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 3: Out this life. And this is before we even.

1093
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: See his little fucked up face with a fucking pantyhose

1094
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: on it, mushing all those shit down into an even

1095
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 4: creepier fucking look.

1096
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, Like just when you.

1097
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 4: Think it can't go up anymore, like he's brought it

1098
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 4: all the way up just by appearing in the film.

1099
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 4: He throws some pan he was on his head because

1100
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 4: he convinces Sailor to take part in a robbery, and

1101
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: it is just so disconcerting, but also would be the

1102
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: most amazing Halloween costume.

1103
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: I know.

1104
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: I uh, if I could stand to look like that

1105
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: for even five seconds as a joke, I would, I

1106
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: would try it, But like, damn, it's like it is

1107
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: creepy as shit like and and like they really like

1108
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: get a bunch of like good close ups of him

1109
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: when he's got the pantyhose.

1110
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah on his head.

1111
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 4: There's also a close up of him terrorizing Lula where

1112
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: they get real close and those teeth are doing.

1113
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: All the all the way up work.

1114
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1115
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: That scene I think is so creepy and disturbing obviously,

1116
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, with like the mouth and the thing,

1117
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god, it's just ar Yeah.

1118
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: He just like Ratchet.

1119
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 4: He keeps ratcheting up the all the way upness every

1120
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 4: time you see him on screen. And again, he's not

1121
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 4: in the movie until halfway through, and even then not

1122
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 4: for a very long time.

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00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: He is a scene stealer. He is an all the

1124
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: way up king. For this reason, it does.

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00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 4: Not take him many beats to reach the point where

1126
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 4: he will be emblazoned on your brain for the rest

1127
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 4: of your life.

1128
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: I saw this.

1129
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 4: The first time I saw this movie, I was like,

1130
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna not be able to see that motherfucker

1131
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 4: when I'm alone in the dark having my worst thoughts.

1132
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: No way, and the.

1133
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: Fact that he will go from like being an absolute

1134
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: psycho to like a.

1135
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: Jokester, like he like tells a joke and you're.

1136
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: Like, no, what's like because then I laugh, and then

1137
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm like why am I laughing? This is so fucked up. Anyway,

1138
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: it's perfect and in the world.

1139
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: Of the Wizard of Oz that they are again constantly

1140
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: referencing in this film. I was trying to figure out, well,

1141
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: what character would he be if if Marietta is the

1142
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 4: Wicked which of the East, you know, and Lula is Dorothy,

1143
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: who would he be? And I feel like he's the

1144
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: monkeys on roller skates.

1145
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like the monkeys with the Witch, with the

1146
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, like everything. He's just he's that that you know,

1147
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: plot point of the film that's just like preventing them

1148
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: from moving forward with their relationship and their and their journey.

1149
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: And it's just such a last like a last bit

1150
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: of like holy shit, like they're I hope these two

1151
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: make it.

1152
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. This guy's coming in.

1153
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he takes it.

1154
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 4: All the way up and he adds a layer of

1155
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 4: terror and fear to the lives of these characters. Just

1156
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: like you said, it's you truly start to you start

1157
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: to worry for them in a way that I feel

1158
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 4: like I hadn't worried for them prior to this, even

1159
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 4: while they're being chased by these two guys and Marietta like,

1160
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 4: I didn't have fear of what would happen to them,

1161
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: And I thought, well, if anything bad happens to these

1162
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 4: two characters, it'll be of their own doing. And then

1163
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 4: Bobby Perru comes on the scene and you're like, oh shit,

1164
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 4: there are people in this world who are threatening to

1165
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: even the most to the strongest and wildest people.

1166
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 5: You know.

1167
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm not even to talk about what happens

1168
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 4: to him, because it is absolutely incredible. You have to

1169
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 4: see it and be shocked by it. But this is

1170
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 4: like just one of the first things I'm There are again,

1171
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 4: so many options to choose from in the career of

1172
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 4: Willem Dafoe, Romanian vampire from Appleton, Wisconsin. Ah, but this

1173
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 4: was the first one I thought of when I thought

1174
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: all the way up, because it's the first time after

1175
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 4: seeing him in Platoon and then seeing him in this,

1176
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 4: my young world was rocked.

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: Yep.

1178
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: If you were gonna pick it, I was gonna pick

1179
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: It'll just say that it's maybe the creepiest role he's

1180
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: ever played. I mean, like I said, I think like

1181
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: early in his career he was doing a lot of

1182
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: It was so funny because I used to call him

1183
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: like his rockabilly vampire roles, like he was like, you know,

1184
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: he was caught guy in Streets of Fire, and you

1185
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: know he was in the Love List where he played

1186
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of another like psycho biker kind of rock and

1187
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: roll guy. So it's kind of this funny like little

1188
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: bit of his career, and I feel like this might be.

1189
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

1190
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: For me when it comes to David Lynch. I love

1191
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 1: any of his work that is kind of in that

1192
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: nostalgia fifties sort of rock and roll thing. So you know,

1193
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: I tend to love Blue Velvet and the First Twin

1194
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: Peaks and wild Heart. I just love that kind of

1195
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: retro Americana.

1196
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: Type of stuff.

1197
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, this movie alone makes him in All the

1198
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: Way Up King, just by itself.

1199
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: Doesn't even matter if I go next or not.

1200
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: Oh I love it.

1201
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 4: I love it, And I love any chance to talk

1202
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: about Willem Dafoe and to hear about him because your

1203
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: movie also.

1204
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: All the Way Up King.

1205
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty, he's pretty cuckoo in my movie I

1206
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: have to say so my film for the theme.

1207
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: All the Way Up.

1208
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: Willem Dafoe is a movie from nineteen eighty five. It

1209
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: was written by Gerald Pettovich and William Friedkin, based on

1210
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: a book of the same name by Gerald Pettovich, directed

1211
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: by William Freakin, of course, and it's called To Live

1212
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: and Die in La.

1213
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 5: You can't come up with the front money, you're not

1214
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:27,439
Speaker 5: for real.

1215
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: So so I rewatched this movie obviously because William Friedkin

1216
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: passed away not too long ago, and I had seen

1217
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: it before, maybe once or twice, but then after he died,

1218
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: I watched it like three times, and that wasn't that

1219
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: long ago.

1220
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: So I don't know. To Live and Die in La

1221
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: is like a comfort movie for me to like, one

1222
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: of those weird comfort movies.

1223
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: But is this is it your favorite? Freedkin?

1224
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to say. I mean, it's definitely

1225
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: up there, definitely up there. I don't know it might be,

1226
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, I really love the Extorsies too,

1227
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: but it's just you know, I want I've been watching

1228
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: all of it. I mean, I watched Cruising again, I

1229
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: watched obviously, we had watched the extorsis semi recently because

1230
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: we did it for an episode.

1231
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, Jade, I was like, I was Jade again,

1232
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: Why the fuck not? I don't know. I just wanted

1233
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: to kind of go through his filmography again.

1234
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 4: But I think I think you secretly yearn for a

1235
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: life that is filled with Wang Chung soundtracks. It's so

1236
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 4: true and it's okay to admit it because this soundtrack

1237
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 4: is fucking dope, dude.

1238
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: So good, like you said, done by the music duo

1239
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: Wang Chung, and they really set the stage for it

1240
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: because if you've not seen this movie, I to me,

1241
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of a quintessential LA movie, but it's also

1242
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: like an eighties movie. It's kind of it relinds me

1243
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of like, you know, I don't know,

1244
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: the Michael Mann's stuff that was in the eighties, Like

1245
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: it's just got that shet of like eighties neon soaked, sleazy,

1246
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: grimy crime world stuff totally.

1247
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know.

1248
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it came from a book, so it was

1249
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: written by The book was written by Gerald Pettovich, who

1250
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: was a Secret Service agent, and the book was brought

1251
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: to William Friedkin and Freakin thought, man, this is really

1252
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: interesting because just like me in this very moment. He

1253
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: did not realize that the Secret Service is not just

1254
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: in charge of protecting the president and heads of state,

1255
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: but that they also deal with counterfeiting and bank fraud.

1256
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: I did not know that. Did you know that?

1257
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 4: Know? And when I saw it in this movie for

1258
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 4: the first time, I was like, that's a stretch.

1259
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: Yes.

1260
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 4: I also thought that in the way that most people

1261
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,919
Speaker 4: think that Quicksand was going to be a big deal

1262
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 4: in our adult lives because all the cartoons we watched

1263
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: as kids, I thought counterfeiting was going to be a

1264
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 4: cornerstone of my adult life. I don't know how, but

1265
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 4: I thought, well, I'm going to be running into counterfeit

1266
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: money all day long.

1267
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was a huge that seemed to

1268
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: be I think it's because it's the eighties, and you know,

1269
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: there was a lot of emphasis on money in the eighties,

1270
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: but that seemed to be kind of like a running

1271
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: motif and a lot of entertainment was like fake money.

1272
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but not once, not once that they mentioned that

1273
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 4: the Secret Service was the people who handled it.

1274
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: Right, And so I was reading I had to read

1275
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: about it because I was like, this is so fucking crazy.

1276
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: But you know. So the Secret Service was actually formed

1277
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: in you know.

1278
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: The eighteen hundreds because there was widespread counterfeiting happening at

1279
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: that time in the US, and they were actually when

1280
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: this movie was made, and up until two thousand and three,

1281
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: the Secret Service was under the Treasury Department, and then

1282
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three they got moved to like

1283
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: Homeland Security or something. But yeah, because that's the thing

1284
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: is that you watch this movie, and the beginning of

1285
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: it is where you know, these characters who are in

1286
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: the Secret Service are like, you know, basically guarding the president.

1287
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: But then they go through the rest of the movie

1288
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh wait, I forgot. They're just Secret

1289
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: Service agents. They're not FBI or.

1290
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, DA or whatever. I'm like, that is so weird.

1291
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: But William Freakin thought that was weird too, which is

1292
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 1: why he made the movie, which I think is awesome.

1293
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: But so, the lead of this film is William Peterson,

1294
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: whom if you watched Man Hunter, speaking of Michael Mann,

1295
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: he's the lead in Manhunter. So when he made to

1296
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: Live and Die in la at the time, he was

1297
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: just some working actor in Chicago and he was picked

1298
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: by Freakin to play the lead of this film, which

1299
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 1: was his very first film.

1300
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: It never acted in a film before.

1301
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: And you know, part of it was that Freakin was

1302
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: doing this movie pretty cheap and he.

1303
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: Wanted to do it really fast.

1304
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: So of course he's like, I don't have money for

1305
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: famous actors. I'm just going to hire some you know,

1306
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: some unknowns or whatever. And you know, and to that point,

1307
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, Friedkin hired Robbie Mueller, who was you know,

1308
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: worked with Vin Venders, and so it was that kind

1309
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: of thing where he was like, we're gonna do this

1310
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: movie really fast, really cheap.

1311
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: Everybody's got to be on board with it.

1312
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: And you know, they were doing a lot of these

1313
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: kind of like one take shots, and they were doing

1314
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: the thing too where they would Friedkin would tell the

1315
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: actors like, hey, rehearse this scene before we shoot it,

1316
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: but then they would actually secretly shoot it, and a

1317
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: lot of it was in the movie, like a lot

1318
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: of that ended up in the final print. So that's

1319
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of child. Yeah, and William Peterson,

1320
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, the lead actor, you know, he's from Chicago.

1321
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: He actually got one of his friends from Chicago, this

1322
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: other actor, John Pankow, to also be in the movie

1323
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: and he plays you know, Vukovit or whatever, the other.

1324
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: Guy in his in his unit.

1325
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: So it's funny because the two leads of this film

1326
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: are from Chicago. Freedkin is also from Chicago, and there's

1327
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: a lot of like Midwestern accents in this film too,

1328
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: which is so weird because you're like you're in LA

1329
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like, like, I don't know,

1330
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: I like checking out these gays from Chicago in LA.

1331
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 3: Supposed to be a Chicago accent.

1332
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 4: Don't do us here, South girls, don't do you know?

1333
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 3: Who will be on you? Like, why not Rice? Chicago

1334
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: just unmass unfollowed us. They're like, oh, come here for tour.

1335
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 3: We love to see you. What does she just say,

1336
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 3: cancel listen?

1337
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 7: I have family from Chicago. I felt like I should

1338
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 7: take a chance.

1339
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: But you know that was Chicago bad accents on this podcast,

1340
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: so I had to.

1341
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: I just had to.

1342
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 4: It's my favorite because you just did a Chicago accent

1343
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 4: with a Southern twin and that is hilarious.

1344
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 2: But but they're.

1345
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: Great, Like John Pankow and William Peterson's movie are totally great.

1346
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: William Peterson has this like swagger to him. That's really

1347
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: enjoyable to watch. You know, his like physicality is like,

1348
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: he's just kind of a fast moving type of guy.

1349
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: And I don't know, there's a lot of like ad

1350
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: lib moments in the film too, because they again they

1351
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: were filming these rehearsals.

1352
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: And putting them in the movies.

1353
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: So this movie feels kind of organic and real to me,

1354
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe that's why I like it

1355
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: so much. But a one sentenced synopsis of To Live

1356
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: in Diane, La. A secret service agent goes above the

1357
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: law attempting to bust the artist turn counterfeiter who has

1358
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: just murdered his part nder.

1359
01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: That's a hu.

1360
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: That's a huge reason to go above the law is

1361
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: when your partner gets murked and put in a dumpster.

1362
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I've killed for less.

1363
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: So Richard Chance, that's the name of the lead character,

1364
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: played by William Peterson. He's a secret service agent in La.

1365
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: He's working on this case involving this I said, artist

1366
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: slash counterfeiter named Eric Rick Masters. Okay, Masters is played

1367
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: by the star of our episode, Willem Dafoe. Now, honestly,

1368
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: having said what we said about him in the prior movie,

1369
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: who else could you get to play this fucking creep?

1370
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1371
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty six, you had no other.

1372
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: Options, no other options. Rick Masters is a psycho. He's

1373
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: a psycho and a creep. And it's funny because he

1374
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: does all the crazy bad guy things. It's like he

1375
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: shoots people in the face and he shoots people in

1376
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: the dick. But he's also a pretentious snob and he'll

1377
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: tell he will literally tell you that he hates your

1378
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: art collection and and he'll say to your face, your

1379
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: taste is in your ass before before killing you in

1380
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: cold fucking blood.

1381
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: Like that's the kind of guy he is.

1382
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: Oh good, He's like, I can't let you leave this

1383
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 4: world thinking that you actually have good taste?

1384
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: Yes, Like why did you collect this pottery? You're a

1385
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: fucking moron.

1386
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: Goodbye and you're dead. That's it. That's a psycho thing

1387
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 2: to do.

1388
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 4: And he's he's he's like a seething, quiet kind of

1389
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: psycho where like he'll do these weird, over the top

1390
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 4: things but he's not yelling at all.

1391
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's this thing too where he's also

1392
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: just kind of generally creepy, Like he films himself having

1393
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: sex with his artsy modern dancer girlfriend, you know, like

1394
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: and it's like that creepy cam quarter shit where.

1395
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 4: You're like old tech, old tech is you know, we

1396
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 4: think old tech is discussed. Although you know what, I

1397
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 4: as much as I loathe old tech, I love old money.

1398
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 4: I love looking at the counterfeiting scenes. Oh my god,

1399
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 4: why I just have a very reference for old bills.

1400
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And like that's the thing.

1401
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 4: Is that.

1402
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: So there's this pretty famous scene towards the beginning of

1403
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: the movie where they show I mean, Willem Dafoe is

1404
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:41,839
Speaker 1: actually doing a lot of this work.

1405
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: But then you know, it's.

1406
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: Basically the kind of like play by play of how

1407
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: counterfeitters make money. Okay, So it's like they're using all

1408
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: this big printing machinery and because remember Rick masters the

1409
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: character as an artist, a visual artists, you know, they're

1410
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: showing him kind of like using kind of photography plates

1411
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: and painting and doing things.

1412
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 2: It's very precise.

1413
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: And Freedkin actually found real counterfeiters, like people who used

1414
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: to actually counterfeit money, and they consulted on the film

1415
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: because he wanted to make this so real, like he's like,

1416
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: I want to make this as real as possible, and

1417
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: I saw that in one of the documentaries on the

1418
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: Blu ray. If you have it, you should get it.

1419
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Apparently, so they made for the film. They

1420
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: made roughly about a million dollars in a face just

1421
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: for the film, okay, and they were supposed to burn

1422
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: it all after the film was over, right, because it's

1423
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: like obviously really well made fake money, and then they

1424
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: burned it all in the you know, at the end

1425
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,839
Speaker 1: of it. They're like, we can't have this floating around. However,

1426
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: somebody on the set apparently took some of the bill

1427
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: home with them as a souvenir, because that is what happens,

1428
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: I suppose on movie sets sometimes we're like, oh, I

1429
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: want this fake money. And then what happened was whatever

1430
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: crew member took the money home, apparently their son tried

1431
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: to use the money at a convenience store to buy

1432
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: snacks with his friend.

1433
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 4: It's so that's what you get for Fredid in your

1434
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 4: fucking parents' room.

1435
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: I know, And so freaking actually got visited by the

1436
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: fucking police, ah, because they're like, this money is trying

1437
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: to be used by some fucking little kid at a

1438
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: convenience store.

1439
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: So I just think that's so fucking funny.

1440
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, that scene is really fantastic.

1441
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,919
Speaker 2: It's really it's really cool to see.

1442
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: It made, so, you know, without kind of drawing out

1443
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: all the beats of the film, because honestly, it moves

1444
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: pretty fast. I mean, you know, at the beginning of

1445
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: the film, Chance's partner is like two days away from retiring.

1446
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: He decides that he's gonna try to stake out this

1447
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: warehouse that Masters is printing the fake money in, and

1448
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: he goes by himself and he gets killed by Masters

1449
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: and his goon or whatever. So that is what sets

1450
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: into motion Chance being like we're gonna get him no

1451
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: matter what, like and I don't care if we're gonna

1452
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: go dirty. We're actually we're going dirty, and you're just

1453
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to not be a snitch about it. And

1454
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: he's telling this to the Vukovich character, you know, John

1455
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: Pankow's character, because he's like, you're if you're gonna be

1456
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: my new partner and you want to take down Masters,

1457
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to.

1458
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 3: Play by my rules, not dirty rules. I'm gonna bring

1459
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: you into the underworld.

1460
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes and so, and Chances like like the character is

1461
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: crazy because he's like a base jumper.

1462
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: He's like an adrenaline junkie.

1463
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 4: Those bass jumping scene look old tech, and old bass

1464
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 4: jumping can go straight to hell. I'm like, they just

1465
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 4: tied a rope to that man's leg. He could have

1466
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 4: ripped off his hip out of the socket.

1467
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1468
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that thing like the Aerosmith video with

1469
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: Alicia Silverstone that was like, guess what, my harness can't

1470
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: even see the harness for a.

1471
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: Lot of it. And I'm like, I think they just

1472
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: put him on a piano wire and just said if

1473
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 2: he dies, he dies.

1474
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 3: I guess just threw a stuntman off.

1475
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 2: A bridge with piano wire. Yeah, and so and.

1476
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: So That's the thing is that Chances is like he's

1477
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: his own kind of psycho in a weird way because

1478
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: he's like so intent on getting Masters.

1479
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 2: And there's all these other characters that are tucked in

1480
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: the film.

1481
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you've got this guy Cody, who's

1482
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 1: played by John Tuturo, who's amazing in this movie.

1483
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 2: He's really great.

1484
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: Then you know, Dean Stockwell plays this crooked lawyer that's

1485
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: working for Masters because as has this entire criminal setup,

1486
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: Like he's got mules, you know, plugs, like all these

1487
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: people to help him kind of move this counterfeit money.

1488
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: And so you know, basically Chance and Vukovich are trying

1489
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: to take it down. At one point they go undercover

1490
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: as these like Palm Springs businessmen and they go to

1491
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: meet with Masters, and Masters makes them go to his

1492
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: gym and work out with him, which.

1493
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 4: I guarantee people are still doing to this day. Yeah, oh,

1494
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure, especially in Los Angeles.

1495
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: Shady shit.

1496
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: But then there's like it's funny because I mean, I

1497
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: actually think this is a freaking thing. But there's a

1498
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: lot of like kind of maile butts and like you know,

1499
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: guys like changing out of clothes. Actually you want to say,

1500
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: you want to talk about donaissants. There's a moment where

1501
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: you see a William Peterson donaissance. There is, And so

1502
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I kind of love that about freaking.

1503
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 2: He's like giving you a little something.

1504
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 3: He's like a little some butts, and you want to

1505
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 3: see these unkempt eighties pubes. Go for it, go for it.

1506
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: But so the thing is is that they're kind of

1507
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: going undercover and then Masters is like, well, I'm gonna

1508
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: need thirty grand upfront. They obviously can't get thirty grand

1509
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: because they're the Secret Service, so they they come up

1510
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: with a plan. Chance comes up with a plant, which

1511
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: is basically, let's rob this this other mule of his

1512
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: money and then we have the money to get to Masters.

1513
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: And then of course that whole thing goes horribly deeply wrong,

1514
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: but sets up probably like one of the most famous

1515
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 1: car chase sequences in film history, which, as you know,

1516
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: this is the director of The French Connection, so you

1517
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: know it's stunning.

1518
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: If you watch the special features on the.

1519
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: Blu ray, they interview the stunt coordinators and everybody who

1520
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: like set up this entire sequence at every like this,

1521
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: one guy was basically like, oh freakin basically told us

1522
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: if it's not better than the French Connection, it's not

1523
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: going to go in the film, so make it good,

1524
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: which I love. And it is wild the way this

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Speaker 1: whole thing rolls out, because like I had heard in

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Speaker 1: some of the interviews that John Panko is in the

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: back seat and William Peterson is actually driving a lot

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: in the seat in the sequence, which is crazy. It's

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: like in the River Basin and then it wrong way

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01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: on the freeway kind of shit. It's really really intense,

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01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: but apparently John Panko was like actually freaking the fuck out.

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01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:42,440
Speaker 8: There's the point where he's making these sounds that cannot

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01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 8: be faked, Like he's in the backseat moaning and freaking

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01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 8: out in a way that it felt way too real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, and it's just yeah, it's just really

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: part of the whole aura of this film was that

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01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 1: it's just really like keyed up and you know, really exciting.

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01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's this surprise ending which is really shocking.

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01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give that away, but I just love

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01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: this film and like to salute our all the way

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01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: up King. I mean, it's like, again, this was kind

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01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: of another moment in his early career, I would say,

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01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: where he was just totally weird and bonkers and like

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01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 1: he has the slick back hair. He's like like the

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01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: whole sequences with like him and his girlfriend who are

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01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: are doing the like there she's like a modern dancer,

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01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: and then they're in the dressing room and he just

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01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: starts like trying to have sex with her in front

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01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: of her coworkers and stuff, and like what the fuck?

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01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 3: Who by the way, is Daphne from Frasier.

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01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 1: Yo, b god, I just put that together.

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: You saying that, yeah, it's just clicked.

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01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: Jane Leaves, oh my god.

1554
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 4: And Eric Rick Masters is like, I will try to

1555
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: bone you in front of Jane Leaves.

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01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 3: You ain't gonna stop me.

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01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: I cannot believe Daphne, Oh my god, because there's this part,

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01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 1: there's like an epic part where she's like spread egg

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01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: on a couch wearing like a little uh Frederick's of

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01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: Hollywood number.

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Speaker 2: I am scandalized by that. Oh my god, spread eggs.

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01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: Wow, considering I've seen this movie five times now, I

1563
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,879
Speaker 1: completely did not know that was her. That is crazy,

1564
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: but I you know, but that's the thing is that

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01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: he's such a perfect actor to play this kind of character.

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01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: And you know, he's perfect in that kind of art

1567
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 1: world creep way. But then in a psycho murdering, I

1568
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: will put burns money naked in front of a fireplace,

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01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 1: and I'm like.

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01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: This crouch you have to say, just crouching and burning.

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01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,520
Speaker 2: I'm naked burning money in a fireplace.

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Speaker 4: And I think in both of our films there's like

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01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 4: this this theme of fire or this connection to flames

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01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 4: and fire that I didn't realize until I watched both

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01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 4: of them back to back, but it's yeah, he's really

1576
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 4: all He is so all the way up in this

1577
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 4: movie in a very sinister way.

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01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 3: And something else.

1579
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 4: That I really loved that I learned about him and

1580
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 4: doing research for this show is that he doesn't usually

1581
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 4: have a stand in, so he's very much like a

1582
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 4: workhorse kind of actor where he's like, no, I'm here.

1583
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm here to do the work. I'm here to

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01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 3: do this.

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01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't surprise me at all if he was

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01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: doing a lot of the stunts, or doing a lot

1587
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 4: of the running, or like doing a lot of what

1588
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 4: was required of him for this role because he likes

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01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 4: being in it.

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01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, well, listen, I really think we I think we

1592
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: fleshed out our points about Willem defoebe in all the

1593
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: way up King. Both of these movies, I swear to

1594
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: god like together is such a great double feature. I

1595
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: had so much fun watching them back to back.

1596
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:06,799
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1597
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,240
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