1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday and Holly 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Tracy B. Wilson. We talked about Rose 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Mackinburgh this week. We did I'm so glad that you 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: picked her, because I had her on my list a 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: while ago, some years ago, and at that point I 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: really struggled finding information and moved on to other things. 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: And yet here she's back. She's back. Yeah. It's one 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: of those things where you do have to piece together 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: a lot of disparate newspaper accounts and whatnot, but it's 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: so fun. Um. There's an interesting side story that I did. 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: It didn't feel right to include in Rose's story about 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: Madame Marcia, who we mentioned during those those Senate committee hearings, 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: and she had been very entwined with the Harding White 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: House uh and said that she had predicted um Harding 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: selection and some other stuff. But what was very there 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: is a creepy note in here, which is that during 18 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: all of this conflict that was going on around whether 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: or not fortune telling and psychic consultations were going to 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: be outlawed in Washington, d C. Madam Marcia predicted that 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: Houdini would be dead by November, and he died on 22 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: October thirty one of that year, so it made her 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: definitely looked like she was at least a good guess er. 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm not laughing that he died, obviously, but it was 25 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: a it's it's one of those good like who moments 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: in the midst of a lot of people yelling at 27 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 1: each other. Uh during a Senate committee hearing. I also 28 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: couldn't find verification of it, but I did like the 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: quote that I came across where Rose once claimed in 30 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: the press that because of her there had been a 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: million dollars worth of lawsuits against Tu Deanie of people 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: that were trying to sue them for having been exposed 33 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: and deprived of their income, which is a lot of 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: money in the nineteen twenties. UM, very very interesting. Her 35 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: description of gross men is gross. Let me just say 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: up front, I don't think anyone should accept that kind 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: of behavior. I'm not saying that in saying how much 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: I admire her ability to be like this is absolutely gross, 39 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm gonna barth, but I really 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: need to get evidence, so I'm going to keep going. Uh. 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: She had bravado in abundance is what I will say. Yeah. Yeah. 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: I also I like how much care she took the 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: point out like this is not about people's religious beliefs, 44 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: It is about people defrauding other people, which is like, 45 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: that's something that I've run into a bunch of my 46 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: own life, having worked as a massage therapist, which is 47 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: a field that attracts people who may have like really 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: sincerely held spiritual beliefs or beliefs in various alternative forms 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: of treatment and things like that, and like walking the 50 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: line between respecting people's beliefs but also seeing when people 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: are taking advantage of somebody who was grieving or somebody 52 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: who is very ill, and and the medical industry is 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: not helping them but also selling them a bunch of 54 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: fake supplements to make moneys, also not helping them. Yeah yeah, 55 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean it really stood out to me, and we 56 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: mentioned it in the episode. You know that one of 57 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: her earliest investigations, like she was basically like presenting herself 58 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: to that particular medium as a woman whose baby had 59 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: died just weeks earlier, and his behavior was I'm going 60 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: to try to get you to undress, and I just 61 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: it's so gross to know that he would do that 62 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: to someone who was genuinely in an emotionally vulnerable point 63 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: in their lives. It makes me want to hiss at 64 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: the very most minor response. Um, it's so gross, And 65 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: I do like that she pointed out how to hurt. 66 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: Some of these moments were funny, but then she remember like, no, 67 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: this could happen to someone who's really genuinely experiencing what 68 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: I am claiming to experience, and then it becomes very 69 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: tragic and upsetting. Um, that seems to be something that um, 70 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, Houdini also did, and she carried on in 71 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: their work which after he was gone, which I have 72 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: immense respect for. Right to remember, it's not just your experience. 73 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: You're doing this because there are people who need that 74 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: help who are not, you know, fortunate enough to necessarily 75 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: have have been exposed to all of the information that 76 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: you have, or you know. She mentions at some point, 77 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: like people who are very poor and desperate are most 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: at risk because they just don't they don't have the 79 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: resources to to know that these people are frauds, or 80 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: they are in such financial ruin that they're a little 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: bit blinded to what the possibilities are in terms of 82 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: people defrauding them. Um, it's very noble. But she is 83 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: also very funny, which I love. I love her thing 84 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: of like everybody seemed so happy and there afterlife that 85 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: wasn't real. But it's not very nice to me, right, 86 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: Do any of my fictional children miss me? Oh, she's 87 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: very funny. It's very very funny. I really like her 88 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: a bunch. I wish I wish I couldn't find any 89 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: evidence that any version of her unpublished book manuscript exists anywhere. 90 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: If it does, if it ever turns up, I'm going 91 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: to devour that thing because you know it would be 92 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: hilarious as well as very cool. Um, and probably not 93 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: very flattering to a lot of people love Rose Rose. 94 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to, but we do have a lot 95 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: of Houdini content going off because I have some more coming. 96 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be part of our October 97 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: stuff or not. Um, But you know, he was an 98 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: important and pivotal figure in the Spiritualist movement because of 99 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: his work against these sort of fraudulent folks. And I 100 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: like the fact that he liked Rose is like no, 101 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: I would love to believe I would love to find proof. 102 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: I want that comfort as much as anybody. I just 103 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: haven't found it. Um, which is nice Udini Rose Mecenburg 104 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: and Madam Marcia, who also would be an interesting subject 105 00:06:53,600 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: maybe in the future, Tracy. This week we got to 106 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: talk to the people that made Till Yes, Um, which 107 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: was really really a delight for me. Um. I mean 108 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: when I love talking to people, But two, I might 109 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: have a lady crush on ch know you. I just 110 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: think she's incredibly gifted. And and also I mean when 111 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: you hear her speak about how she makes films, she's 112 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: clearly just so smart about it. And I loved the 113 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: way she talked about she does all of her technical 114 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: planning ahead of time so that she can just be 115 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: present on the day. And I think that is a 116 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: brilliant way to live your life if you're doing creative projects. So, Um, 117 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: I thought it was astonishing. But you and I both 118 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: were lucky enough to get to see the film even 119 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: before it came out in limited release. Yeah, Um, and 120 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: I was legitimately completely blown away by how good it is. Yeah. Yeah, 121 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I think it's extremely well done. There were I think 122 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: you and I were each at a media screening with 123 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: a handful of other people, and even though there were 124 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: I think fewer than ten people in the auditorium with me, 125 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: it was clear I think everybody was familiar with like 126 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: the basics of the story, but also there were people 127 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: who clearly weren't aware of a lot of the aftermath. 128 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Uh as a lot of films of this nature do. 129 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: At the end, there are some like title cards that 130 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: say things that happened later, and there were just like 131 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: audible explanation exclamations at a few of them. We also 132 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: have a little fire alarm in the middle of ours, 133 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: which has nothing to do with the movie itself. Um, 134 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: something folks might not know is that this film was 135 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: in the works forever, a very long time. I mean 136 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: I talked a little bit with she know you about that, 137 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: but she came in pretty late, even in that whole game, 138 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: because you had mentioned that you had back to Kickstarter 139 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: for it even way before that. Yeah, I backed to 140 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: Kickstarter for it in so more than seven years ago, 141 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: because that Kickstarter funded in something like August or September, 142 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: I think, and I like the things on Kickstarter that 143 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: that takes so long, like they evolve over time, and 144 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: films evolve over time. So there were various things along 145 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: the way where there would be updates that would be 146 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: sort of about like announcements of people who were going 147 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: to be involved with the film, and like over time 148 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: that that has all changed. But something that was consistent 149 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: from the very beginning was that one of the people 150 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: who was involved with it heavily from the beginning was 151 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: one of Emmett's cousins who witnessed everything that happened in Money, Mississippi, 152 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: Um Simeon Wright, who actually passed away a couple of years. Oh, 153 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: but it was like a consultant on the film up 154 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: until his death, and UM like the way the Kickstarter 155 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: characterized things included like his extensive involvement. So I think 156 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: whenever there's a film like this it's about something really 157 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: traumatic for a family, there are questions that people have 158 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: that are like what, okay, well, how does the family 159 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: feel about this? And at least in terms of of 160 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: mtt's cousin, I mean, you can't speak for everybody who knows, 161 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: but like there was family involvement, like from the beginning, 162 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: going back for years, UM wanting this story to be 163 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: shared in this format. Yeah, I mean it's um. We 164 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: both discussed afterwards too, And it came up in my 165 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: interview like this is when that I think we were 166 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: both a little bit scared of just because it is 167 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: so dark, and I don't think either of us wanted 168 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: to see the violence being per portrayed. Um, because it's 169 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: just a lot. We don't need more images of that. 170 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: And like I said, it came up in my in 171 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: my chat with Tonnoyance specifically, um, and I came away 172 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: sort of in shock at how incredibly deftly this very 173 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: difficult material was handled in a way that is still 174 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: has incredible gravity and you still feel the pain of it. 175 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: But it isn't it would have been so easy for 176 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: this movie too shock us with the visuals of what 177 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: was going on and the violence that happened against Emmett 178 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: in a way that I think would have left us 179 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: a little unable to process the rest of the movie. Yeah, Um, 180 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: which is not that if you are afraid of seeing 181 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: that police know, if you didn't already figure that out 182 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: from from our our Wednesday episode, that is, that is 183 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: not what you get out of this. There are some 184 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: very difficult images in it, but the way it's handled 185 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: is just so careful and smart. Yeah, and I was 186 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: just like I said, I was blown away by the 187 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: skill of the filmmaking. Yeah. So the photographs that that 188 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: Mami had taken of Emmett's body after his death are 189 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: such a central part of that whole story and of 190 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: her story and of the civil rights movement as it 191 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: evolved after that, that, in my opinion, like leaving out 192 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: that depiction would have been weird and jarring. But also 193 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: she's talked a lot about Tonnoia has talked a lot 194 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: about making like the conscious choice not to have a 195 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: depiction of the actual lynching as it happened, which I 196 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: also felt like it was a really thoughtful decision about 197 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: how how to portray all this. Yeah. Um, I also 198 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: had a moment one I'm and I will I'm very 199 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: superstitious about things like this, so I I don't want 200 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: to say anything specific, but I literally came out of 201 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: this movie going, They're going to be a lot of 202 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: mentions of this during Awards season. I don't know how 203 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 1: they won't. But actually they also wanted to say on 204 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: a slightly later note, which obviously is not to make 205 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: light of the story at all, is that, um, I 206 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: have to give Hayley Bennett props for taking the role 207 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: of Caroline Bryant, because that is a person that it 208 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: is very easy to dislike, and her portrayal is very 209 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: good and makes it very very easy to see how 210 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: manipulative of the truth she was. Um, I mean, the 211 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: good news is she doesn't look like her normal self 212 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: very much in the film, so hopefully no one will 213 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: see her in the street and have a gut reaction 214 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: of um. And if you you may remember, I spoke 215 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: with Haley when we did our syran No coverage and 216 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: she was super delightful, So um yeah, I mean, she's 217 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: just a delightful person and I really love talking to her. 218 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: And I didn't know she was gonna be in this 219 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: role then, but yeah, like that is a brave role 220 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: to take because that's not just taking a villain role. 221 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: That is taking a really I don't know if revilable 222 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: is the word, but it is today. Um yeah, that's 223 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: not a not not someone you would really want to 224 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: be associated with. And she does a really good job. Wow. 225 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: Jaln Hall is charming. I'll just say that again. He's 226 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: so good in the movie and he I spoke with 227 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: him about it during our interview. But it's really beautiful 228 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: to see that that more joyous aspect of who Emmett 229 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: Till was. Obviously what happened to him is super important, 230 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: but that's not his whole life story. And so it 231 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: was really nice to see, you know, that relationship with 232 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: him and Mami and the joy that they shared together. 233 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: And I was very grateful to have an actor who 234 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: was able to do that so beautifully. It's hard. Historical 235 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: stuff is hard. This is one of those things, though. 236 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: I know you and I have talked about historical films 237 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: in the past, and we often walk away and go, well, 238 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: they sure did play around with some stuff. I did 239 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: not feel like that at all, know and having researched 240 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: our episode on it and having made some similar decisions 241 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: about like where to place the focus in the episode, 242 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: because I thought it was a really important episode for 243 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: us to do, but I also didn't want it to 244 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: be exploitive in anyway. I remembered a lot of the 245 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: details and things would happen in the film that I 246 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: would be like, that is exactly how we understand that 247 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: that happened. Yeah, um, anyway, uh, yeah. We don't do 248 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: a lot of of a lot a movie coverage on 249 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: the show. Like when we did See You. No, we 250 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: did that as a bonus episode. But this movie is 251 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: um so tied to how much you know to the 252 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: kinds of themes that we talked about in a piece 253 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: of history we have discussed on the show that I 254 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: felt pretty comfortable using it as a regular episode because 255 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: it is interesting to also just hear how other people 256 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: interpret and and visit that history and how they talk 257 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: about it and um and share it and retell it 258 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: in a way that is um that feels to me 259 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: very important. Like I feel like this is a film 260 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: that could be shown in history classes and I wouldn't 261 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: feel the least bit like, oh, they're not really getting 262 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: an accurate portrayal of what happened. That's not gonna happen 263 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: with this one. So that's kind of why we were 264 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: pretty comfortable slotting it in a regular Wednesday slot. Uh. 265 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: If you see it, I hope you are as moved 266 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: by it as I was. Um. I think I saw 267 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: it with four other people and there was one woman 268 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: in our screening. She left for a little while in 269 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: the middle. Um, I think it was just a lot understandably, 270 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: and then when she came back. There were a few 271 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: times where I thought I could hear her kind of 272 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: sniffling and possibly sobbing, And it took every part of 273 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: my will not to try to go comfort her because 274 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: she might not want that and that might be weird, 275 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: but I wanted to. The impulse was there, so be 276 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: ready for that. But it is so beautiful. I hope 277 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: nobody skips it. Uh, that's the scoop. If you are 278 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: headed into your weekend, that's a great time to go 279 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: see a movie or whatever it is that you need 280 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: to do, to take care of yourself and get some 281 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: rest and relaxation. If you have responsibilities cropping up this 282 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: weekend and it's not necessarily a time of rest and relaxation, 283 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: I hope all of those responsibilities are easily managed and 284 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: you can tick off your list and maybe squeeze in 285 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: a little time for yourself. We will be right back 286 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: here tomorrow with a classic episode, and then on Monday 287 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: you will have another brand new one. We'll see you 288 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: right back here. Stuff you missed in History Class is 289 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: a party suction of I heart Radio. For more podcasts 290 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: from I heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 291 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. H.