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Speaker 2: the BDE the Beage bashtard indeed. But no, that's not

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas. Right there, you're looking at two of the

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Speaker 2: Kings of Connecticut, of Connecticut Combat Royalty. It's basically us too, Glover,

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Speaker 2: Vince McMahon, the carcass of Willie Pep. That's Chuck Mindenhall,

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Speaker 2: the man in the damn at Chuck. Luke is away

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Speaker 2: with some much needed schedule family time.

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Speaker 2: But anytime we can slide you in to replace some

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Speaker 2: Usual live from your office there somewhere in connecticutt Is

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Speaker 2: that is that a big cock you have on the

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Speaker 3: It's actually two big cocks cock fighting. So yes, thank

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Speaker 3: you for noticing that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, very very on brand.

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Speaker 2: Well there it is all right quickly, Chuck, just to

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Speaker 2: But then Saturday, you know post and Ganu gone, You're

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Speaker 1: That's that's what we want to know right now.

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Speaker 1: Up. People aren't here necessarily, Chuck, to see us sell shit.

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Speaker 2: Saturday night, it went down in Anaheim, California, UFC two

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Speaker 2: To me, it adds to the the overall you know, amazing, ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: And it turns out there was you know, at least

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Speaker 1: Now on Twitter, they were as shocked as we were.

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Speaker 2: Francis's offensive wrestling would be a deciding factor in the fight.

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Speaker 1: Didn't really surprise me. Well, Chuck, it turns out you

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Speaker 1: And when we find out, Chuck, what we.

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Speaker 2: Found out afterwards that those knee pads were not there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I want to get to gon in

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Speaker 1: DC lost it, obviously, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: It's never that cut and dry because all the factors

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Speaker 2: But what is more true that Francis and Gano won

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Speaker 3: Oh God, that's a tough one. But I would say

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Speaker 3: I could have done this different. I was winning this fight.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of things he learned. He came out

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: For I feel like it's a certainty that he will

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Speaker 2: All right, let's quickly talk. I want to hit everything

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Speaker 2: here because this matters. This was a monstrous fight. The

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Speaker 1: I didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: I scored it one and two for Gone, final three

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think there is, because honestly I thought

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Speaker 3: you're getting gone piecing them up a little bit here

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Speaker 3: was nothing like that. It was more like hail Mary's

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean that we're coming from the bottom,

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Speaker 3: I felt like he was doing enough. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: I just didn't feel like he had the skill set

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Speaker 2: Look, at the end of the day, Cyril Gon has

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Speaker 2: all that, But you nailed it.

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Speaker 1: That just control is.

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Speaker 2: Enough and being you know, really offensive with fists in

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Speaker 1: Round three to the end of it, in god never being.

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Speaker 2: The same and let's look at Juliana Panya on her

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Speaker 3: Ulifying right, like you're nullifying the other guy's offense, like

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Speaker 2: Now. Look, I want to limit the bad things we

436
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Speaker 2: can say about cyril Gon because it's so new, but

437
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Speaker 2: you know, and I also want to limit the amount

438
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Speaker 2: of times I just dropped big dougies on Luke's face here.

439
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Speaker 1: But here's the deal, chuck in.

440
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Speaker 2: An air of very horror, whitzing myself enough, here's what

441
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Speaker 2: I got to say. What was my biggest question coming

442
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Speaker 2: in for anybody that watched Friday's pregame show. You know,

443
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Speaker 2: I certainly questioned whether I'm gone who could use wrestling offensively,

444
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Speaker 2: But my biggest question was, even though cyril Gon looks

445
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Speaker 2: to be in the fights leading up to this, like

446
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Speaker 2: everything and more of heavyweight two point zero, the future,

447
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Speaker 2: all that stuff, even.

448
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Speaker 1: Him being the betting favorite at the end of the day.

449
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gone that way, but I get it.

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Speaker 2: But my question was when you hear fer nand Lopez

451
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Speaker 2: talked to Luke or anyone else. He did a great

452
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Speaker 2: interview with Luke back in October. He's said gons striking

453
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Speaker 2: was so advanced for having so little experience that he

454
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Speaker 2: chose to teach him how tobe how to stay away

455
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Speaker 2: from situations in which it can be taken down or

456
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Speaker 2: hit clean in close proximity.

457
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Speaker 1: And he basically taught him in.

458
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Speaker 2: Avoidant style chuck that wins when you are completely controlling

459
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Speaker 2: the terms of the fight, which Cyril Gohn did forevery

460
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Speaker 2: UFC fight and the first two rounds against Anghanhu. But

461
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Speaker 2: I had questions about what would happen. Would he implode

462
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Speaker 2: if the if the scales shifted, they shifted. We just

463
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Speaker 2: don't have evidence outside of his submission wins early in UFC.

464
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Speaker 2: We'd never seen him taken down. We don't have evidence

465
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Speaker 2: that he could not only have to come back from

466
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Speaker 2: adversity but make key adjustments on the ground. A lot

467
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Speaker 2: of it was assumptions because of how stink and dynamic

468
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Speaker 2: he is with things like speed, timing, game planning IQ

469
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Speaker 2: and even what we thought stamina because he had gone

470
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Speaker 2: the distance five rounds coming in, do you throw any

471
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Speaker 2: shade at him? And coach Lopez, who after rounds three

472
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Speaker 2: and four did say, you're down on the cards.

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Speaker 1: You need to win, you know, you need to come.

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Speaker 2: Back, and maybe that fueled that giant fifth round mistake

475
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Speaker 2: that a lot of people are harping on where cyril

476
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Speaker 2: Ghan went for the leg submission, ended up losing the position,

477
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Speaker 2: end up losing the fight.

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Speaker 1: How deeply are you going to throw some shade on everything?

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Speaker 3: I just said, I think it's fair to criticize for

480
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Speaker 3: nand on this because you know it's fair to do it.

481
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, nobody knows their charge, nobody

482
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Speaker 3: knows their principal fighter quite like the trainer right, like

483
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Speaker 3: this guy's been with him since the beginning, And I

484
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Speaker 3: think that one of those types of situations where you

485
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Speaker 3: kind of have to understand the mental makeup of your guy.

486
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Speaker 3: So if you're telling him, hey, you're losing this fight,

487
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Speaker 3: you need to go out there and do something, And

488
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Speaker 3: maybe that did play into him making a stupid mistake.

489
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Speaker 3: But I would like to think that he was dialed

490
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Speaker 3: into his guy and maybe that's how he thought he

491
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Speaker 3: could best motivate him or give him a situation dour

492
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Speaker 3: or whatever it is, that he was going to go

493
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Speaker 3: out and get an optimal performance those in that last round.

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Speaker 3: It's a weird one, man. I think the reason we

495
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Speaker 3: can question it, although, is like you're mentioning some of

496
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Speaker 3: the confidence that was coming out of it, uh with

497
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Speaker 3: with the style, saying is the best striker three years

498
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Speaker 3: in all those things, basically playing a little more defensive

499
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Speaker 3: with his his way and preventing the takedown. Those things

500
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Speaker 3: kind of backfire, right, and everything. It's all brilliant. It

501
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Speaker 3: looks brilliant until it doesn't work, and this is one

502
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Speaker 3: of those situations where it didn't work. So it's fair

503
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Speaker 3: to criticize him. Man, that's the fight game. That's what

504
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 3: the great thing is. You can criticize them.

505
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Speaker 2: I paint in broad strokes, right, and people have bad

506
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Speaker 2: about me, right. Oh, SPC just started watching MMA last year.

507
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at his paintings. It's just broad chuck.

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Speaker 1: You see.

509
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Speaker 2: You can you can see the butterfly forming in this cocoon, right,

510
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Speaker 2: this is this is MK.

511
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Speaker 1: We're coming anyway.

512
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Speaker 2: I texted Luke, you know, after the fight, I said,

513
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Speaker 2: look and Gan who found a way to get Gone

514
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Speaker 2: into the deep waters and Gone couldn't swim out of

515
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Speaker 2: the inexperience.

516
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Speaker 1: He said, No, that's a mistake you missed.

517
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Speaker 2: It is that casual general take true in this case.

518
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's a mistake. I mean, Luke's

519
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Speaker 3: convinced of his opinion. See that's the thing, that's that's

520
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: his flaw, right, that's that's the flaw in his game.

521
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Speaker 2: But I spend the rest of the show just kind

522
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Speaker 2: of breaking down the flaws.

523
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would love to have heard Luke's

524
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Speaker 3: take on this show, to be honest. But I'm with you,

525
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Speaker 3: d C, I'm a VC, DCBC, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I go by RC RC. Thank you all right, Chuck.

527
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Speaker 1: Finally on segment one here, never.

528
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Speaker 3: Call you that, by the way, that's just that's why

529
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Speaker 3: I stumble. I never actually call you that.

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Speaker 2: You know you don't you use you call me Brian

531
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Speaker 2: by my government name. Both Connecticut guys, although you know

532
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Speaker 2: you're Colorado by by Burt, I am Colorado.

533
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Speaker 3: I relate to the three oh three come.

534
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Speaker 2: On, yeah you Micha Alvarado, Cowboys, all those guys chuck Finally,

535
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Speaker 2: on this savior analysis on what this means into into

536
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Speaker 2: Gano's future, meaning, God, his knee injury was so severe,

537
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Speaker 2: but he hates the USC so.

538
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Speaker 1: Much that he was like, I don't care, I'm fighting anyway.

539
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Speaker 2: But in terms of the relation to keeping your title

540
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Speaker 2: and being in this fight, do you consider Francis and

541
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Speaker 2: ghana decision to fight through disastrously potential major injuries? Meaning

542
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: he claimed his doctor told him a week before the

543
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Speaker 2: fight that you're gonna you're risking permanent damage on this

544
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Speaker 2: knee if you fight. Now, look at it's not he

545
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: won't be the first guy to fight hurt.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but.

547
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Speaker 2: Look, there's a heavyweight title fight. You're you're in a

548
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: key negotiation spot for your future. He chose to gamble.

549
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Speaker 1: He pulled it off.

550
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Speaker 2: But is this is this reckless? Or was this like,

551
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Speaker 2: hey man, this is betting on yourself and just leaning

552
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Speaker 2: on your toughness.

553
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Speaker 1: How do you see that?

554
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes to both. I feel like it was reckless,

555
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Speaker 3: but I also feel like it speaks to a little

556
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Speaker 3: bit about who he Is and his situation. I think

557
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Speaker 3: that he wanted to go through with this cum hell

558
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Speaker 3: or highwater, because honestly, if he loses this fight, he

559
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: also has the same excuse, right like, well, my knee,

560
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: my knee was compromised. I couldn't do everything I wanted

561
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Speaker 3: to do. And then, right he's a free agent or

562
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Speaker 3: he has a he's basically out of the contract. But

563
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: in this situation he's able to win it. He was

564
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Speaker 3: gambling on himself and it paid off. And now you

565
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Speaker 3: I mean, now this is what this is the fascination

566
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Speaker 3: in most historical contexts with the UFC guys who are

567
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 3: gambling on themselves, the UFC wins it for whatever reason.

568
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 3: The UFC always comes out with the desired result, and

569
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Speaker 3: the guy who you know, was betting on himself, you know,

570
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Speaker 3: ends up leaving or whatever it is, or you know,

571
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: compromising because he didn't win that fight. So this is

572
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Speaker 3: one of those rare hurdles that gets cleared. And now

573
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Speaker 3: it becomes fascinating to see how twenty twenty two plays

574
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Speaker 3: out for Francis and Gano. But it was reckless. I mean,

575
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 3: let's face it, man, like you go in there. It

576
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: was a calculated risk, but it was reckless in that sense.

577
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: I mean where his mojo was at. We were talking

578
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Speaker 3: about this after his last fight with Miochiic. I mean,

579
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: like where he's at and where he's capable of getting.

580
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 3: You don't want to lose that. That's where he you know,

581
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: that's where he's can be transcendent. So to lose this

582
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: fight in some bad way would have hurt him, but

583
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 3: he didn't, so it did pay off. Good for him. Man.

584
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have done it in

585
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 3: that position, but I think it speaks to who he is.

586
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Speaker 2: Man is a competitor, easy time and a unique situation

587
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: being the champion, being at the end of his contract

588
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: fighting the management just as much as you're fighting your

589
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: own injury and your opponent. I mean, this is central

590
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: casting in a lot of ways. And you know, good

591
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: buddy of this show. Otel Berberg's the basis for Dead

592
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Speaker 2: Company was lightening me up after the fight, going like, how.

593
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Speaker 1: Is Francis not your favorite fighter ever?

594
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Speaker 2: After watching his story and this this is sort of

595
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: like a monster plot line added into the movie about

596
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Speaker 2: his life that'll one day be made. I mean, I

597
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: don't want to go too far without stopping and just

598
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,479
Speaker 2: being like, whether it was reckless or not, Francis being

599
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: here right now at thirty five is the result of

600
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Speaker 2: some reckless decisions to go after his dreams in life.

601
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Speaker 1: No matter what I mean, it's it's sort of it's crazy,

602
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Speaker 1: but it's on brand. It's consistent.

603
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell him, Hey, you

604
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: can't fight Fury. You know, like if he his trajectory,

605
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: where he's come from, where he's ended up, and just

606
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: what he's been able to do, I mean, the guy

607
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: should be given those types of chances in life at

608
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: this point, you know what I mean, that's kind of

609
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: the that's kind of the lifetime award for having survived

610
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: where he came from to get to where he is.

611
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Speaker 2: And so and also, sir, like we talk about Gon

612
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: will be better for this, and I believe that if

613
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Speaker 2: you're asking me what's next for Gon, He's gonna get

614
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: right back in line.

615
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna learn from his mistakes.

616
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: He's you could tell that the intangibles are there, so

617
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: this will be his steep A losing the Jds in

618
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Speaker 2: their first fight over five rounds, or even in Ghano

619
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Speaker 2: losing too Steepe over five rounds in their first fight.

620
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Speaker 1: But for Francis, it's damn man, I love him. I

621
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Speaker 1: love the man because.

622
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Speaker 3: Because you have a higher stock them, because you were

623
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Speaker 3: at the highest point of your if you're in Ghana

624
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: stock going into going into this fight. So did it

625
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 3: move up some?

626
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: It did, but in an unintended way, because I thought

627
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 2: he was gonna come out and be extra predator, like

628
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: next level, like what we saw in that steep A

629
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: rematch was the teaser. But watch the ship go full bloom.

630
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Speaker 1: Is he gonna be doing head kicks? Is it going

631
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: to be taking guys down and grind him?

632
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there is so much potential, just as the

633
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: same gone to grow in huge ways, and yet he

634
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: comes out and wins one like the back Doorway, the

635
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: heart Way, the it look. Is it not similar to

636
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: even brock Lesnar against Shank Carwin, where you're.

637
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Speaker 1: Like, you know, he's really not that good.

638
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: I think so, But brock Lesner just found a way

639
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: to bite down and figure this out.

640
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Speaker 1: And Gano's stock in that.

641
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: Regard, in the superhero regard, it couldn't be higher in

642
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: my mind, which is the perfect transition into what the

643
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Speaker 2: hell happens next topic?

644
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Speaker 1: Too.

645
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Speaker 2: I want to talk Tyson Fury. I want to talk

646
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: John Jones. I want to talk UFC brass contracts, free

647
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: agency and all that. But let's start right here. Two

648
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: exclamation points came out of the end of this. Dana White,

649
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: UFC President, not in the cage after in Gano's win

650
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: to put the belt around his waist, which he did

651
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: the fight before when Davison Figuredo defeated Brandon Moreno. And

652
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: of course we'll get to that later in the show,

653
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: and all it was McK mayner the matchmaker, and also

654
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: Dana one no showing the post fight press conference, Chuck.

655
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: If we find out after whether it's.

656
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: True or not, you know, Dana had an illness in

657
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: the family and had a run off, certainly I'll apologize

658
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: in hindsight, but as this stands right.

659
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sorry. It's hard not to say. This is unprofessional,

660
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: This is a little bit gutless.

661
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: And this is majorly telling in terms of this larger

662
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: soap opera, in terms of like this is a real

663
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: fight for leverage for everything for Francis and Gano's future.

664
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: How else could you look at Dana White not showing

665
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: up as anything but what I just said Chuck, I.

666
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: Don't think you can, man, that was a really really

667
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: bad look. It's patty. It means that the road is

668
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: never too low, right like he's he will take that

669
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: low road. And it is the last word you said

670
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: is the biggest one telling. It just tells you exactly

671
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: where he holds now. Is it just in Ghana, I'm

672
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: not sure, but his management, the situation, somebody kind of

673
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: publicly butting heads with him in these ways. He hates

674
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: when his business is aired, you know, even in the

675
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: ESPN era, even with the sale the cell of the

676
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: and everything. He just does not like when somebody negotiates

677
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: in the public and he doesn't like it when that

678
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: guy wins. Let's face it, man. So I feel like

679
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: it was just a you know, it was telling. It

680
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: was telling. I was a little bit surprised because usually Dana,

681
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: Dana does what he's supposed to do, even if he like,

682
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: he'll swallow the bitter pill here and there and he'll

683
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: still go through with this. So for him not to

684
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: do that, man, it must be on another level what

685
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: he's encountering here with in Ghano.

686
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: Do you know what we ask of these athletes? Cheryl

687
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: Ghan showed up we asked that even in defeat, even

688
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: a knockout defeat, unless you have to go to the hospital,

689
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: we asked them to come back to the podium and

690
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: sit there and talk about what just happened. They put

691
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: their emotions, their life on the line into these fights,

692
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: and we ask them, hey, man, you lost, come in,

693
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: tell us about it. The fact that Dana can't do that.

694
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: And look, some people tweeted at me with this, I

695
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: have to I don't know, you have to go back

696
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: in real time and relive it to see if it's true.

697
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: But the UFC Twitter account, which tweets so often during

698
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: fights to kind of pull people in to try to

699
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: tune in last minute, they tweeted like crazy during the

700
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: Cole Maine event.

701
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: Not a single tweet from the end.

702
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Of the Moreno fight through Francis winning it until finally

703
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes later putting out that that picture of

704
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: Francis and saying winner chuck.

705
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: That it's called a promotion, right, Like the idea is

706
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: to promote, So when they're doing stuff like that, obviously

707
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: it's just it's other level petty against your own guys.

708
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's very strange. But honestly, also

709
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: does is really feed the nature of this beast because

710
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: when bisbeing was not bisbeing, When Ben Askron was fighting

711
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: in his first fight against Robbi Lawler in the UFC

712
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: after all those years being out, the sentiment was that

713
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: he was fighting the sub I guess the subplot of

714
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: that fight was that he was fighting the UFC, was

715
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: fighting Dana White. Ben Askron sees it. He was like,

716
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: he completely bashed Dana White and made it about him

717
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 3: versus Dana White. I feel like and Gon wasn't doing that,

718
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: but that the UFC was doing that, that they were

719
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: making it more of a storyline and only flex better

720
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: on Anganu. And it's going to make the UFC look

721
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: way worse as time goes on if this continues, because

722
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: who's the petty side here, Like, who's the one, you know,

723
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: bullying and who's doing all the bad stuff. We have

724
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: a sentiment right now because it's been roaring up for

725
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: a long time just about fighter pay, fighter treatment, equal,

726
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: you know, equal distribution of all that profit and everything

727
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: that's going to the TV deal unions. We talk about

728
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: this stuff. Well, here's a here's an example of a

729
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: guy being mistreated. Here's an example of it, and I

730
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: know as this year goes on and Ghano, he's going to, like,

731
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: besides him just being a transcendent figure and the quintessential heavyweight,

732
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: I think he's going to curry fan sentiment bigger than

733
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: we've seen from other fighters.

734
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: I think he should be a hero in so many ways,

735
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: especially after this performance too, but just him standing up

736
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: for what he believes. I know a lot of people

737
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: clown the Tito or tease tweet that he put out

738
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: there supporting in Ghanu because it had typical Tito errors

739
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: and changing the meaning. But like we're the fighter pay era,

740
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: this guy arguably in the power position that a fighter

741
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: could be short of being Con McGregor's level of pay

742
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: per view star.

743
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: He's the damn heavyweight champion.

744
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: He just beat the guy that they were hoping would

745
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: would would you know, take him out and end this

746
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: debate and you're not promoting him and and you've.

747
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: Got the biggest fight possible on Well let's.

748
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: Talk about that.

749
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: So I said Chuck before this that you know, I

750
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: think winning cures all ills, It cures locker room pettiness

751
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: and jealousy and all that. I think winning just says, Look,

752
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: he wants more money. If he beats Joel.

753
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: Ghan, he'll demand more money, He'll get it. Everybody will

754
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: be happy.

755
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: But Francis's comments afterwards, when they told him during the

756
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: press conference in real time that Dana didn't show up,

757
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: it didn't put the belt around him, he was sort

758
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: of like, oh, man, you guys are gonna.

759
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: Have to ask him. I didn't know about this.

760
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: And then France is saying, you know which he said

761
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: leading up, that he's wanted to sit out until December

762
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: and just become a free agent. With all this wildness

763
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: going on, I stop myself because we've never been here

764
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: in this exact situation. But like, I'm not sure just

765
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: money fixes this, because Francis said in the post fight

766
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: press conference, it's about respect. I've been treated with respect,

767
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: Like you know, I've been treated like a whatever for

768
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 2: so long.

769
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: The John Jones fight is massive. It's massive.

770
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: People think I'm overblowing the idea that it could even

771
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: compete with the pay per view record because they both

772
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: don't have history selling on this level. But it's still

773
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: freaking massive. After this to seventy main event, Is there

774
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: just naturally enough money.

775
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: In that fight?

776
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: Chuck that if the UFC just stop being so stubborn

777
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: and meets Francis in the middle, you know, maybe not

778
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: even involving a boxing fight at all, and just pays

779
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: him not six hundred to show with no win bonus,

780
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: but pays him three and a half million to fight

781
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: John Jones and pays John four five whatever.

782
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: They're underpaid to me, Chuck, tell me if I'm wrong.

783
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: The whole card on Saturday, the payout was one point

784
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: million to the entire card.

785
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and four you have four you have two title fights,

786
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: you know, two considers two champions. It is absurd, right

787
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: like when you kind of think of it this way,

788
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: but it's especially under particular scrutiny when the event arrives,

789
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: and that's what people are talking about. I mean, it's

790
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 3: just people are talking about this because Francis and Gano

791
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: is in this situation. It's ridiculous, man. I you have

792
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: one of the biggest fights possible, and I mean in history.

793
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 3: I think that this is one of the biggest fights

794
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: possible because John Jones for the longest time has not

795
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: been doubted going into a fight. Basically, Vegas lines are

796
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: always putting him at minus three point fifty minus four hundred.

797
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 3: He's fighting woodwork guys out of the meritocracy because he

798
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: beat everybody in two o five, So he's fighting the

799
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 3: dominic Reyis figures. You know, he's fighting those types of guys.

800
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: He's beating him, he's barely beating him. But it's like

801
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: the thing is going into it because all of this

802
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: plays out all pay per views in prospect, you're what

803
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: are we going to earn? Him? Being cast as an

804
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: underdog pschologically for a public that has heard John Jones

805
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: and knows that he hasn't legit lost a fight yet.

806
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: You know, he has not lost a fight yet, going

807
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: into situation where the doubt is cast on him whether

808
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 3: or not he can actually fight a guy like Francis

809
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: and Gano, and how does he withstand? You know, this

810
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: big bodied guy, he's with all this power at a

811
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: heavyweight division he's never fought in. Then you get in

812
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 3: Ghano's side of it, it's just huge. I mean, it's

813
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: as big as it gets. I can we I thought

814
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: about this fight a lot, and I just think that

815
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: it really doesn't get bigger. I don't know if it

816
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 3: would hit the Namaga madeoff McGregor scale, but I think

817
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: that it would if if not, it would be second

818
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: to that only. It would be second to that one only.

819
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: I think it has. It would have potential to do

820
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: one point seventy five to two million.

821
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: I mean it would.

822
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: It would have potential. You'd have to.

823
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: Promote it, right, John would have to be a very

824
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: willing public player verbally and and but you know, again,

825
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: you made a great point that the hate, the casual

826
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: fan candy that Connor versus would be was, but it

827
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: was also you know, the two greatest lightweights maybe of

828
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: all time in the champ who never lost his belt

829
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: against the.

830
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: Guy who has.

831
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a lot of things, but you're

832
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: not going to be able to compete with that hate

833
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: and the violence outside the cage and all that. But

834
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: it's still heavyweight fighting, and it's still I mean, is

835
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: John Jones trying to win a second title from this

836
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: version of France and Ganho more impressive than GSP coming

837
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: back from four to five years off and moving up

838
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: and wait and trying to do the same against bisbeing

839
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: it's in the category.

840
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: If not, I mean, it's right fricking there.

841
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: I think it's bigger. I think it's bigger because GSP

842
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: was very calculated, right. I think he looked I mean,

843
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to discount what he did, but I

844
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 3: think he looked at Michael Bisbee as a guy he

845
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: could beat.

846
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: I think, aren't you the judge who just put him

847
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame on high Court?

848
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: Aren't you judge? Okay, just just checking here, thank you.

849
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: No, that was my evil toy. But I do think

850
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: that this one's bigger because John Jones. I just feel

851
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: like John Jones, he's an athlete in being held in

852
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: a very special place that he's not descended from or

853
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: ascended from. Like, right, he was the first guy to

854
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: have Nike on his trunks, He's the first guy at

855
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: the Gatorade, Like he was the first guy that we

856
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: were talking about as like, you know, a guy like

857
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: who is a you know, big time player in a

858
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 3: sport that didn't have them that other sports did. He

859
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 3: was that guy that you could put on Sports Center

860
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: because he was like that. This was early on. He's

861
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: never really gone above it or below it. This forces him, right,

862
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: This forces him out of that space. It puts it's

863
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: I hate to use these ali things, but to me,

864
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: it's almost like the Zaire one, right, like so Rumblin

865
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: the Jungle or something, because Allie had to go beat

866
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 3: this guy who is like a massive favorite, and everybody thinks, wow,

867
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: this is when it all goes to hell. And if

868
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: he goes in there and does it, this is John

869
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: Jones's moment. So anytime the stakes are like that, I

870
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: just I love it because you know, whoever wins that

871
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: fight is really on a different level from where they

872
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: went in. So to me, this one is a whole

873
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: different thing. I just kind of I think that a

874
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: lot of people suspected that GSP would beat this thing.

875
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: That's all. So there's a lot a lot more doubt.

876
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: They're not too dissimilar.

877
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: So me even saying three and a half million to Francis,

878
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: you know, four or five to John, obviously that's still

879
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: absurdly low paid compared to you know, boxing where Canelo

880
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 2: and the.

881
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: USC doesn't want to pay you the one of them.

882
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: I feel like, no, they're bigger with John two.

883
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think they actually deserve here?

884
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Not where are they going to get, but what do

885
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: you think they actually deserve for payouts? I mean, is

886
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: it ten million apiece? Because in boxing they begetting for

887
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: a fight this big. They're begetting guaranteed forty to fifty each, right,

888
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's.

889
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: It's it's just because of the model the UFC has

890
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: and the way that the distribution of the pay per

891
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: view words. Even though they're they're still banking so huge

892
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: on everything. I just it's never been in their model.

893
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: The other thing is they're so cautious to not set

894
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: a precedent, right. They don't want to set a precedent

895
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: of like boxing where it's like guys can make that,

896
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: because once they do that, you're going to have everybody

897
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: who thinks that they deserve more money.

898
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: I just counter in July, right, Conor in July an

899
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: International fight Week will be like, okay, Dan and now

900
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 2: we were now we play, and now let's good.

901
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: Let's do.

902
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: But what they deserve, I'm like, they deserve what you

903
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: just said, they deserve, you know, they deserve that ten

904
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: million dollars bucks. They deserve that. That's that's the type

905
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: of the type of fight it is. But what they'll get,

906
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: I don't think it's anywhere near that. I think that

907
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: the conference and they they may get a couple of million, right, Like,

908
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 3: I think that that's more in the range and it'll

909
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: be interesting to see how this how you know, how

910
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: the UFC compromise, because that's the fascination of being Ghana winning.

911
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 5: Now.

912
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: I feel like we have to see how the UFC responds.

913
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: But my guess is that they work something out more

914
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: in that range. It's not going to be what they

915
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: should be.

916
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: A rapid fire question here, because I do have a

917
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: lot of questions about this from all the facts you have,

918
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 2: from what we learned Saturday, before, during and after this fight.

919
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: Is it more likely that Francis and Ghanhu and the

920
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: UFC settle on a financial middle ground and he fights

921
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: John Jones next in twenty twenty two, or is it

922
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: more likely that Francis waits until December and walks on

923
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: his own and figures this out.

924
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: I think it's more likely that he gets John Jones. Now,

925
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: I say banking that the UFC knows its business and

926
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 3: they've always made sound business decisions for the most part

927
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 3: through their career. That's why they ended up where they are.

928
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: I just think you can't throw that away. I can't

929
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: imagine that you're gonna let this guy sit there this

930
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: amount of time. But the stubbornness of some of the

931
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: USC officials, especially Dana White, knows no bounds, so I

932
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: won't be surprised if we see the latter scenario, But

933
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: as of right this second, I would be banking more

934
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: on the former.

935
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: There.

936
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: I like your point that they're too savvy to f

937
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: this up. So maybe this large public statement of Francis,

938
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: we don't support you post fight Saturday night is just

939
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: a way to get three to five million off the

940
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: final deal when they do sit down to do I

941
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: mean it's probably true, all right. Another rapid fire one

942
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: is John Jones was very confident. I didn't send in

943
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: all his tweets because he deleted a lot of them,

944
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 2: but he was very confident.

945
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: I was wondering about that.

946
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: I think about his.

947
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: Chances, yeah, against both fighters? Should he be based on

948
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: what he saw? Or do you like me realize Okay,

949
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: that's compromised me, Frances. I want to see healthy Francis

950
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: again because I still remember the steep A rematch.

951
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: Okay, who is Should John be more confident than he

952
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: was coming in after watching this?

953
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: But I think he should be. I think he should be.

954
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: But what's what the the tweet at the very end

955
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: where he's like, maybe I'll just retire earlier. Whatever I

956
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: mean to me, I'm like, I don't know, are you

957
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 3: reading into the doubts he might be having.

958
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: I imagine Richard Schaefer texted him and was like, Hey,

959
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: don't seem too eager or the UFC is gonna offer

960
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: you one million to fight Francis.

961
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think you're right. I would

962
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: if I think John Jones should feel confident, you know,

963
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: I think he should feel confident. I mean he is.

964
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: He's a good stand up fighter, man. I think he

965
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: has a chin and all this stuff. I think he

966
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: should feel confident where he's at going into that fight.

967
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: All right, I think I think John comes closer.

968
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: Whereas when when Francis blew away step A in the rematch,

969
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, for the first time ever, I don't think

970
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: John Jones is gonna beat every single heavyweight like I

971
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: thought he would. Like now I'd easily favoring Ghanu.

972
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: It's John.

973
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. When he first was coming up, it was like

974
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: you thought that he would go into it would be seamless,

975
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: he would be able to beat whoever the champion and

976
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 3: a heavyweight, and he would be one of those guys

977
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: who has a second belt that is not the case anymore.

978
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, if you're if you're if you're John, and you

979
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 2: watch Gone, you're thinking, Okay, you know I shouldn't point

980
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: fight this guy for twenty five minutes. That's where I'm

981
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: setting myself up to lose. But I think John saw

982
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: that and goes, I have better in tangibles than him.

983
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: I can also take him down. You know, I'll just

984
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 2: out grit him and I'll figure it out. John, looking

985
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: at this versions of Francis, you gotta be careful though,

986
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: because that knee I mean, god, it's a mcl injury

987
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: like no one come, no one takes short of Caine,

988
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: making that, you know, questionable decision to to to take

989
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: the first fight with JDS, even though you had that

990
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: bad knee injury on Fox. I mean back then you

991
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: have no leverage. You got it, you gotta you know,

992
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: you gotta do it.

993
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure John Jones was watching this fight and he

994
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: sees those knee braces and he's thinking, I would be

995
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 3: oblique kicking the hell.

996
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: Ship, you know what I mean, he would with elbows

997
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: to the kneecap. He'd be going after that ship. You know,

998
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: look at this at the end of the day, I'm

999
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 1: fucking the both of I want to see that energy.

1000
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: By the way from John, so I like those tweets

1001
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: closing on in Ghano's future. This is obviously Chuck not

1002
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: the perfect tryout fight to get people excited about Nghano

1003
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: versus Tyson Fury.

1004
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: So my question to you now is would you want

1005
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: to see it?

1006
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: Like we're like, no, we don't really want to see it,

1007
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: but it seems to be really important to France. It's

1008
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: the level that Joe Rogan actually asked him about it,

1009
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: so that Joe's credit in the cage afterwards. Do you

1010
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: think this has a way a potential of ruining negotiations

1011
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: because Francis wants this too much, where if you're a UFC,

1012
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: you probably want nothing to do with this, right So

1013
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: so how is this going to be a problem in

1014
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: Francis accepting what they're gonna offer.

1015
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I do think that this could

1016
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 3: be a big part of negotiation is saying let's go

1017
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: through the John Jones or whatever scenario this should be

1018
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: John Jones, but whatever the scenario is, and the stipulation

1019
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: being that he can to do that as a one off.

1020
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: It's it's uniquely arranged and he's uniquely set off to

1021
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: actually get something like this done. UFC has never really

1022
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: you know, them promoting McGregor in the Flight Mayweather whole thing.

1023
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: That's a separate type of situation. But I think that

1024
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: if they really want to be in the Francis and

1025
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: Gano business, they're probably going to have to address that.

1026
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: And if they're going to do that, I would make

1027
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: sure that he's fighting John Jones right like that. You

1028
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: try to get the fight you want and then maybe

1029
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: you set something up where they compromise and they allow

1030
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: that to happen. But I agree with you, though, I

1031
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 3: think that the outcome I'd rather much rather like see

1032
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: John Jones. I would just I just want to see

1033
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: him compete against that guy, and then he can do

1034
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: what he wants, you know what I mean. I want

1035
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: to see that fight and then he could if he

1036
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 3: wants to go on a lark and take on Fury,

1037
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 3: go for it. From my own personal perspective.

1038
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair.

1039
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: And we're going to transition in a second to this

1040
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: co main event, in which we're going to talk about

1041
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: Henry s Hudo's role in that tomorrow Usman's role in

1042
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: in Ghan Who's corner obviously with the saw, with the

1043
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: wrestling and the confidence in doing that. We want to

1044
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: talk so positively about Extreme Couture and Eric Nixon and

1045
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: Dewey Cooper, and they had a great They were incredible

1046
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: between rounds in the corner, encouraging Francis and and you know,

1047
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: everything was great. But I wonder if Camarrow had a

1048
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: bigger impact in this when we realized and as much

1049
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: as this looks like BC Stern the pot up. Do

1050
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: you remember when Luke rock Hold throughout that comment in

1051
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: his interview with Ariel a couple months back where he's like, man,

1052
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: I think Francis, Kamaru and Adasania should join up as

1053
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 2: three African brothers and together make a stand against UFC

1054
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: to change contracts and fight or pay, because it'd be

1055
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: a lot harder for the UFC to fight off your

1056
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: three of your biggest stars, especially three strong black men

1057
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: saying enough is enough against the white owner.

1058
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was delivered in a way

1059
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: that you could go off forget that. I think there's

1060
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: something there, Chuck, there's something. There's something there.

1061
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Union, Yes, UFC take away my fight credential,

1062
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I wonder.

1063
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: I wonder.

1064
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: First off, I don't watch the show that you're talking about.

1065
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: But secondly, like you know, truthfully, there's something to that, right,

1066
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: I do think there's something to that, dude. It's just

1067
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: fast as fascinating times that all of the things we're

1068
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 3: talking about, all these iterations, it just feels like there's

1069
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: a moment like after so much talk of fighter treatment

1070
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: and stuff, that there there's actual action being taken right

1071
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 3: and this now is just a matter of what happens next.

1072
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: And to me, that's fascinating because we've covered this sport

1073
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: a long time. You've covered boxing too. When you get

1074
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: into these moments, new precedents are set, man. New things happen,

1075
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: and things get moved one way or another, or somebody

1076
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: digs in and it starts getting ugly. But it's just

1077
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 3: gonna be very interesting to see how it plays out, man.

1078
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: And it's not all gonna be perfect for fans. We've

1079
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: been down that road before.

1080
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: Fighters getting a piece of it is gonna slow down

1081
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: the momentum. UFC has an expansion and putting on the

1082
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: best fights consistently no matter what.

1083
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: But it's it's a necessary change.

1084
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: All right, Topic three, Chuck, before we get too deep

1085
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: in the show, is Davison Figuredo regaining the UFC Flyway

1086
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: title in this co main trilogy title about it turned

1087
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: out to be another great fight in this rivalry, A

1088
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: five round I guess you can say thriller, but it

1089
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: was very It was very very technical though it was

1090
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: a technical thriller, meaning you had action and that's what

1091
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: you love out of these guys. But there was a

1092
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: lot of patience, poise, set up, game planning nuances, and

1093
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: I think in the end, Davison Figureedo came out with

1094
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: the performance.

1095
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: Why didn't he come in?

1096
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: Not for a guy who has trouble making weight in

1097
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: this division, not for a guy who's been so aggressive

1098
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: going for finishes each fight. He took the advice from

1099
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: Henry Shudo and Eric Albera Sin and turned that into

1100
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: a weapon in this fight, Chuck. There were leg kicks.

1101
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: There was I mean, a thirty four year old for

1102
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: this division to beat the guy that just stopped you

1103
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: in the rematch. There's a big ass win and you know,

1104
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: and one that we really have to respect from Davison Figureedo, and.

1105
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: History has not reflected well on the guy who's lost

1106
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: his belt. In a trilogy bout going back to get

1107
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: it right, it usually favors the Morinos side of it

1108
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: because that guy then carries momentum, he carries some kind

1109
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: of psychological edge in a situation like this. A lot

1110
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: of that was in play. I think that Moreno, you know,

1111
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: showing up and really putting on that last performance. You know,

1112
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: Figuredo was something like a two to one underdog going

1113
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: into this fight, which was a little surprising. But I

1114
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: think the first real thing that you saw was on

1115
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: the scale. He looked good. He actually that extra poundy

1116
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: shed was almost like a statement, you know that we're

1117
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: like reading too much into the weight thing. So he

1118
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: comes in one twenty four. I thought he looked great. Man,

1119
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: he goes in there, there was something reassuring. I think,

1120
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: like you're mentioning about seeing suhudo, and you know those

1121
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: guy's in the score is very poised. He goes into

1122
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: a building that wants him to lose. He embraced that,

1123
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I think he had Moreno

1124
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: kind of right where he wanted him in the sense

1125
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: of Moreno was kind of out of character too, so

1126
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 3: to speak, like he was I felt like he was

1127
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: on a he was acting in ways that he hadn't

1128
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: previously acted. I didn't really care so much really for

1129
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: some of the theatrics that were going on in the case,

1130
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: like basically stopping and smiling, putting his tongue out, all

1131
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 3: that stuff like it. It seemed a little weird to me.

1132
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: But I just felt like Figuredo was a rock man,

1133
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: very poised. He was doing exactly what he needed to do.

1134
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, there's a ton of nuance. I felt

1135
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: like he kind of had him dialed in and he

1136
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 3: got stronger as the fight was going on. Dude, its

1137
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: hats off to the guy, right Like, it's say that

1138
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: kind of performance. I'm like, it's what you hope for

1139
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: a guy who's a champion who thinks, you know, things

1140
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: went against him and he still believes in himself. That's

1141
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: the kind of performance you'd hope to see. So it

1142
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: was alting.

1143
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: Odds were so close because even if he's over the

1144
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: hill by a certain degree at thirty four, Figurado can

1145
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: still finish you. So that's why the odds are close.

1146
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: They've got a history of close fights. But it was

1147
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: Marino who made all those adjustments in the second fight. Yeah,

1148
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt Chuck if he looks back and says,

1149
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: I was a little bit overconfident in terms of what

1150
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: I thought Figuredo was capable of. Because you heard that

1151
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: pod when Moreno entered that southern California arena of Mexican

1152
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 2: American you know, boxing fans most likely saying, no, this

1153
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: is our guy. And by the way, he still may

1154
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: end up being that guy because he's so young, and

1155
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: for all we know, they could do a fourth fight

1156
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: in Mexico in front of two hundred thousand people. I mean,

1157
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 2: like he could still end up being that guy.

1158
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: But on there trumpeting up, you know, Mexican. He's the

1159
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: first Mexican champion, like next toom born champion. They have

1160
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: a whole video feature put out on him about his childhood.

1161
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: He's going into a situation where he is, you know,

1162
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: being kind of a hero in that market and everything else.

1163
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: I really believe he became self aware. That's what I

1164
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: didn't like, is like he was so self aware. It

1165
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: was almost like he was viewing himself from a from

1166
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: a from a seat and watching his own performance. Very weird.

1167
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: Some will say that's happened to me, you know, I

1168
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: think Moreno's personality is so great that you know, once

1169
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: he saw how much people liked it, he's like, oh,

1170
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: I could be this guy all the time. And then

1171
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: suddenly as a clown in front of a camera in

1172
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: his basement, you know, with this haircut.

1173
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: I've been there, you know, I know what it is.

1174
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: But I didn't want to draw the comparison. But that's

1175
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: what I was thinking, Okay, exactly.

1176
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would not have predicted this performance with Figaredo.

1177
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: It speaks huge volumes of what he's capable of as

1178
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: a fighter, as a as a warrior, as a student

1179
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: of this game, and whether like we don't know the

1180
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: percentage of the credit that goes to celebrity coaching coming

1181
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: in like Albarracin and Suhudo, but if you see what

1182
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: this duo of a coaching team did with Waaley Jong

1183
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: and the Rose rematch, if Chuck fans are jumping at me,

1184
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: I know you have to take the fan reaction whether

1185
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: good or bad, like John wouldn't said, and just to

1186
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 2: avoid them both.

1187
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: But a lot of fans, like BC stopped trying to

1188
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: say Rose.

1189
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: Had a case or Wayley had a case on the

1190
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: scorecards in that rematch, would you would you be the

1191
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: judge in this high court situation? Did Henry Shudo guide

1192
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: Wayy Jong to the point where you could have scored

1193
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: it for her in that Rose rematch?

1194
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: Yes? Right, I think so. I think so, Thank you,

1195
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: I think so.

1196
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: All right, back to this fight, it ends up being

1197
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: three rounds to two on all three scorecards in the end,

1198
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 2: which which.

1199
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: Is the score I had.

1200
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: I do believe though, that these rounds were so close

1201
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: it could have gone either way. You mentioned a key

1202
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: piece of analysis early on in this where Moreno just

1203
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: looked different in there? How much were the calfkicks just

1204
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: something that he did not believe he would have to

1205
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: contend to? And maybe that sort of because you gotta

1206
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: give her in a credit. He still finished a five

1207
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: round fight with a case on the scorecards and was

1208
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: an a fighter in there. But he was not leading

1209
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: the dance like the like the Angano gan, right, he

1210
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: was the one following constantly.

1211
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And I think that a couple of

1212
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: those calf kicks are like they were early in the fight,

1213
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: and you could tell that they're like, oh shit, what

1214
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: am I gonna do? Because it was it was disruptive, right,

1215
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: and those hurt, you know, And I think that that

1216
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: set up some of the bigger shots too that were

1217
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: coming from Figuredo down the line. I just you're one

1218
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 3: hundred percent right. The dance was being led by Figuretta.

1219
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: That's why I really wouldn't have a problem with that scorecard.

1220
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: I had it won three five, I believe for Figuredo,

1221
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 3: but I did think he was leading the dance. But

1222
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 3: I think you mentioned a good thing there, like Moreno

1223
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: had his moments, and actually Moreno probably could have got that,

1224
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: you know, could have got that nod. That's a lot too.

1225
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: Like just the kid has a lot of heart. I

1226
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: just think that he was knocked just off his moornings

1227
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: enough and whether that comes from him being self conscious,

1228
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: him feeling pressurized by the moment, whatever it is, or

1229
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: if it was just something that Figaredo was doing. It

1230
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: all came in there just to tilt it and Figurata's way.

1231
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how close that fight was. And this

1232
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: is one of those rare moments where you get through

1233
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: a trilogy and you're like, did they do a fourth?

1234
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: Are we doing a fourth fight? You know what I mean?

1235
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: And I think fight forever Chuck.

1236
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: Afterwards, Figuredo said Look, I'll do it in Mexico.

1237
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: Let's do a fourth fight right away. He did, sort of.

1238
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: He changed his tune a little bit since then, saying, well,

1239
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: maybe not Mexico, you know, I mean, why give away

1240
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: such leverage? Right?

1241
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: They want to make it, Yeah, they want to make

1242
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: the most funny Look.

1243
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a reason why UFC has lusted after

1244
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: this Mexic American Mexican American fan base and Mexican fan base, chuck.

1245
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: They carry boxing.

1246
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes, when you think boxing's on life support, it's the

1247
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: loyal Mexican fan base that are buying these pay per

1248
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: views no matter what I'd put it in Mexico. But

1249
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: the quicky question I have for you is should the

1250
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: fourth fight be next? They're already the first rivalry to

1251
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: go one, two three in succession with no other fights

1252
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: thrown in.

1253
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: Is there any reason not to go right back for

1254
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: a fourth.

1255
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: The only reason you might not, well, it is because

1256
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: of the guys coming up, right But you got Ascrops

1257
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: already got a coming up he would have to get through.

1258
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: So it's a little complicated. It's it's not as dialed in.

1259
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: I think that you go with it because you lose

1260
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: kind of the build up of what's happening. I think

1261
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: you just kind of feed off of that. The division.

1262
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: They tried to shutter it, right, They tried to shutter

1263
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: this division not that long ago. And here we are

1264
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: in a situation where tons of people are paying attention

1265
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 3: to this vision. It's treated like every other division. And

1266
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: you got two guys that are kind of bringing that

1267
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 3: faithful together and have rooting interests, national interests, all this stuff.

1268
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 3: I think you throw it together for fear of losing

1269
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: it down the line. I don't think you'd want to,

1270
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: you know, lose the potential of how big it could

1271
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: be for them.

1272
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a fight you could make at any point,

1273
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: even when they're old guys. But yeah, Theagaredo's thirty four

1274
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: not getting the younger just had maybe the biggest win

1275
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: of his career. I mean, maybe it was more satisfying

1276
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 2: to win the title by stoppage, But with all things considered,

1277
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 2: in this one, this is Figuredo's. You know, this is

1278
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 2: his moment, and if you're a UFC business, you can

1279
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: get Marino.

1280
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: Right back on track as a massive draw.

1281
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: I mean, what if people love more than anything a

1282
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: second chance them back, and when they don't which which

1283
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: would be great This legacy, the legacy of this rivalry, Chuck,

1284
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: is it in pantheon?

1285
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: Leve them out?

1286
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. It's weird because I feel

1287
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: like in the lead up to this fight it grew,

1288
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 3: but I feel like it was still more of a

1289
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: diehard's delight, you know, it was. I still in that,

1290
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, the Fight game center. I would need to

1291
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: see it kind of expand into the broader country. I

1292
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 3: want to see people talking about it who normally follow

1293
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 3: the game for it to enter that. But if you're

1294
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 3: talking strictly from the standpoint of fans, you know, fight

1295
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: fans and all that stuff, I would say that it's

1296
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: got to be real close to that because I felt

1297
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 3: like this had then the way it played out, I

1298
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: just feel like the whole thing has been It's got

1299
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: the storylines, it's got the competitiveness, it's had a little

1300
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: bit of everything. You have the corner, the factions, like

1301
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 3: these guys like you're mentioning coming in and tweaking things up.

1302
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: I just I think it has all those cool elements

1303
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: that make it that way, you know.

1304
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: I think, look, if you're Figurato, you thank Henry Sahudo

1305
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: for his interest. If your fans, you thank Henry Suhudo

1306
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: for keeping this division alive in the UFC because the

1307
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: post Mighty Mouse to Hudo era is wild. And even

1308
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: if they don't go next with the fourth fight, I

1309
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: gotta see Askar Askarov in there.

1310
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: I've gotta see. I mean, who who just beat?

1311
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: Uh?

1312
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: Oh? Roy vald just had a great one up a Bonterine.

1313
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean there, look there. I love this division.

1314
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: It's suddenly great again, so let's keep the show going, Chuck,

1315
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: UFC two seventy was not the deepest card, but as

1316
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: typically happens when a pay per view card gets shit

1317
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: on for not being deep, those hungry ass fighters looking

1318
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: for opportunity and pay and attention tend to you know.

1319
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: I mean, UFC wants to keep underpaying these guys. They

1320
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 2: keep them hungry down there. This was a fun fight

1321
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: card in the end, Chuck, when you look up and down,

1322
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: there's a few names that jump out to talk about.

1323
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: Which were you most impressed with coming off of this undercard?

1324
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: Oh Man, there were some good performances, I mean the

1325
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: Perrero one, and maybe it's just because it was the

1326
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: lead up. It was kind of the catapult fight right

1327
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: before we got into you know, the comane and all

1328
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: that stuff. But that struck me because I felt like

1329
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: he was he was weathering some adversity, and I think

1330
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: there was questions that everybody knows he's this crazy striker.

1331
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 3: He does crazy things, he's bombastic, he goes in there,

1332
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: he does you know, somersaults all so I just felt

1333
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 3: like he weathered enough stuff there and he still was

1334
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: getting off that way, throwing the flying knees, you know,

1335
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: coming off the fence with the superman punches, doing the

1336
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: somersault stuff all in that second round as part of

1337
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: the arsenal. I just love watching a fight man, and

1338
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: I think that that was a nice spotlight moment for

1339
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: him to get that victory. So I would probably say

1340
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: he stands out.

1341
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: All right, you're talking about Michelle Padeda, who I've been

1342
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: very critical at times. His opponent, Andre Fiallo Portugal, was

1343
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: in his UFC debut and was tough his nails and

1344
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: kept coming. Yeah, this show the full basket of tricks.

1345
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: That that is the you know, the Michelle Padeda experience,

1346
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: which I tweeted, is like the only I mean, he

1347
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: creates fast and furious movies within his fights. I think

1348
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: he showed though too much of the good and the

1349
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: bad that he is.

1350
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: Chuck.

1351
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: I didn't coming into this fight, even having one three

1352
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 2: in a row, and this is now his fourth. I'm

1353
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: just not sure if he is or will become a

1354
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: look welterweight title contender. And I'm less sure after because

1355
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: he got handled in round one, surprisingly and his nose

1356
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: is bloodied. Then he does all the crazy shit in

1357
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: round two that you love, and then he almost gases

1358
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: out in round three and and gets a timely kick

1359
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: of the nuts to his opponent to kind of take

1360
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: a break.

1361
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 3: I mean, Chuck, Yeah, but I don't feel like he's

1362
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: one of those those guys who's really chasing a title.

1363
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that.

1364
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: I feel like he just after attention. He'll say it.

1365
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: He's two in love again.

1366
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 2: You could compare him to me on this show, Chuck,

1367
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: And maybe I'm turning off a portion of my of

1368
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 2: our audience by Darren all right, but this guy cannot

1369
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: stop trying to make people happy. And in the end

1370
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: of the day, what's that great saying that the old

1371
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: wrestlers and pro wrestling always tell the.

1372
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: New ones coming in. They could could.

1373
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: You can either make money or make friends in this business,

1374
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: but you gotta pay one, you.

1375
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

1376
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 3: No, he's definitely he's definitely going to suffer from that.

1377
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, he will start he's gonna

1378
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 3: start losing because he's gonna keep trying to please. You know,

1379
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: he's going to start losing.

1380
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: He's physically talented enough, Chuck, I mean, he's a freak.

1381
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: He's physically talented enough.

1382
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: With that one fight we saw him wrestle that if

1383
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: he decided to go all in, Yeah, he can.

1384
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: He can make a run. He can make a run.

1385
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: Remember that NOS commercial I wasn't a NOS whatever that

1386
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: energy drink was where the dude comes in and he's

1387
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 3: like doing flips and he's doing all this stuff and

1388
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: the fans are going crazy and his opponent's just waiting

1389
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: for him, and then the guy goes out and one

1390
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: punches him, knocks him out. That's always Michelle Putato for me.

1391
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's that guy, he's that guy showing off.

1392
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: The airplane scene with Indye There, Yeah, no question about it.

1393
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: I wish him well, but I saw enough to love

1394
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: and enough to hate it. In the same fight.

1395
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: But but Chuck, you know who is back from a

1396
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: long wayoff, sayid nor Maga Madoff, And it turns out

1397
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: he's not related to any of those other guys with

1398
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 2: the same surname that we love the other.

1399
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

1400
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, sorry, good point sad a lot no, not

1401
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: related as well.

1402
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: But Chuck, he made a monster statement.

1403
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: Cody Stamen is nobody's easy fight, and he beat the

1404
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: bags off him in forty seven seconds getting a sick

1405
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: guillotine choke. I mean it's the most general, casual thing

1406
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: you could say, is you know the A. B. Lincoln

1407
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: bearded guys from Augustan area extended the schmesh factory.

1408
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: Guy's always bet on them. Yes, I mean that's not that.

1409
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: This seems even way more than that, Like we've been

1410
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: sleeping on this guy. But he's good as shit.

1411
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: Chuck, I have no objection to anything you just said.

1412
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: I actually believe that. To me, I was like, I

1413
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 3: felt like he might I felt like he'd win this fight,

1414
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: but I thought he might struggle a little bit because

1415
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: like Cody is a sturdy veteran man who has wrestling chops.

1416
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: He has like those types of things. I thought we'd

1417
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 3: see some situations where said would have to kind of

1418
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: work out of things to watch him breaze right through

1419
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 3: like that was I mean, this was his mom right.

1420
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 3: I feel like this was his moment thrust, because there's

1421
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 3: what nine fights canceled off this card. He ends up

1422
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 3: in a situation where you know, he's kind of getting

1423
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: a spotlight and he handled it. So people weren't really

1424
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 3: talking about him going in, but I feel like they

1425
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 3: will be talking about him going into his next fight.

1426
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 3: That's all you can ask, right, But he looked freaking

1427
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: great man.

1428
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: Especially with Cody Stamen saying in the pre fight, you know,

1429
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: Sizzle package that like, I cannot lose another one.

1430
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's just coming off the last two.

1431
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: So was it Ridell that he lost to where you're like, like,

1432
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: so he was coming guns blazing and the fight ended

1433
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: in forty seven seconds. So the embarrassment of Riches at

1434
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: bantamweight across both UFC and Belatoor is that pools only

1435
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: getting deeper here and it's another Schmesh Factory product. He

1436
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: seems a little bit more chill and cerebral and not

1437
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: as much like I'll just you know, bite your aorta

1438
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: but he'll.

1439
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: Get you out of their chuck.

1440
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: Also for a late replacement Victor Henry staying in this

1441
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: bandamweight division. He went in there against Barcellos and gets

1442
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: a three run unanimous decision. But people tweeting as if

1443
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 2: like the next Saviors here was it was it warranted?

1444
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: How important and impressive was this win?

1445
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 3: I think Joe Rogan aids this sort of thing because

1446
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan was just beside himself. In fact, he was

1447
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 3: still instagramming about the guy. I thought the performance was

1448
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 3: really good, right. I think everybody expected him to lose.

1449
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 3: He was something like a five to one underdog going

1450
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: into it. I didn't really know that much about him,

1451
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: you know, so like to see him reveal kind of

1452
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: who he is. It was the volume, right, It was

1453
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: the willingness the game, you know, like he was going

1454
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: in his chin seemed right. I think he caught the

1455
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 3: other cat off guard a little bit. I think he

1456
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 3: just went in there and he was, you know, way tougher,

1457
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: way tougher of an out and once he got rolling,

1458
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of like anything any underdog in any sport,

1459
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 3: Like you give him belief and they bring like they

1460
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 3: give it their full thing. As the fight as the

1461
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: thing goes on. So I felt like he was getting

1462
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: better as the fight was going on, based on the

1463
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: fact that he was kind of feeding off the energy

1464
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: of every expected him to lose. It was a very

1465
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: cool performance and it was it was fun to kind

1466
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: of learn about the guy because I'm being honest, man,

1467
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: I didn't really know that much about him going into

1468
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 3: this fight.

1469
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'm sure somebody on a sure Dog

1470
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: message board did. But he wasn't just he didn't just

1471
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: out tough. I thought, you know, technically, he was very

1472
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: sound for a replacement fighter on this sort of situation.

1473
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: He looked ready by the way, Hanni Barcelos, I think

1474
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying that right.

1475
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: Always makes fun fights.

1476
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Want to always see more of him here in this

1477
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: Danamwaite division as well. I finally chuck the name I

1478
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: want to highlight is our down Underfans were going sick

1479
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: for this Jack Della Maddelena.

1480
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: He put it on.

1481
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 2: Pete Rodriguez needed just three two minutes and fifty nine

1482
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: seconds to get the TKO. But like talk about confident,

1483
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 2: explosive athletic, he's charismatic too. I Mean, this guy was

1484
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: like he seemed like he wanted to become a star

1485
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: on this one.

1486
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: Night he did. I mean, we did have a lot

1487
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: of that, you know, like if you're going to have

1488
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 3: a card where everybody's like, oh it's sop heavy. We

1489
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 3: have two good fights, the rest suck, but these guys

1490
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 3: kind of show up and prove that, like, hey man,

1491
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 3: we're we're fighters too, you know whatever. I thought that

1492
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 3: he really stepped what is he like twenty five years old?

1493
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: He's very young. But I always look at the poise

1494
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: right like you look at a guy's poison that he

1495
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: hit that left hand that drops the drops the guy,

1496
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: and he the way he just kind of surveyed him

1497
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 3: as he hit the ground and casually mosied in to

1498
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 3: finish the job. That always tells me that a guy

1499
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 3: is envisioning him first of all, is envisioning this very scenario,

1500
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: visions himself winning these fights, has the right mindset, but

1501
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: also that he's just not you know, he treats the

1502
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: spotlight right, like the spotlight and him are going to

1503
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: make sense together. There was a lot of revelation there. Man.

1504
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 3: I thought that that kid looked great. So now, I mean, like,

1505
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 3: is another guy that suddenly is on your radar that

1506
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 3: maybe wasn't before. But yeah, I mean there were several

1507
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 3: people on this card, but I thought maybe his performance

1508
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: Michelle we already mentioned like, his performance stood out to

1509
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 3: me quite a bit.

1510
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: No, this is eleventh win in a row.

1511
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: To be fair, this is Pete Rodriguez, who took the

1512
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: fight on like a couple of days. Notice, meaning Jack

1513
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: flew to the States without an opponent after his first

1514
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: one pulled out.

1515
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I forgot the situation.

1516
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 2: So this guy looked a little bit Rodriguez like a

1517
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: default template creative fighter on UFC four truck. To be fair, right,

1518
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean that the hair was a little regrettable, you know.

1519
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: But look, mister Maddelena, mister Jack Madeleine. You know I

1520
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: was gonna tweet out that Delva funky Homo sapien nineties joke,

1521
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: but it's so obscure that no one would have gotten it,

1522
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: and I would have looked like it like a old dad.

1523
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: I would have gotten it.

1524
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: Got it, Thank you very much? Right there?

1525
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 2: All right, Chuck, We've been a little more than an

1526
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: hour through the show, and we have so much.

1527
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to keep you here all day.

1528
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: To close on our main.

1529
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: Topics of the week's Showtime Championship Boxing was back to

1530
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 2: kick off the new year, Atlantic City at the Borgata

1531
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: in a very interesting main event which has some weird

1532
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 2: sort of gone and Ganu parallels from the standpoint that

1533
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: the longest reigning active male champion of boxing, Gary Russell Jr.

1534
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: Brought his WBC featherweight strap in there against big punching

1535
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 2: h Filipino and promoted by Manny Pacio. He loves him some,

1536
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: Manny Pacio. It was Mark Magso, but chuck. It turned

1537
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: out Atlantic City it was upset City as Gary Russell.

1538
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: Who teased in the week.

1539
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 2: Leading in that he had an injury that he wasn't

1540
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: going to disclose. Turns out it was his right shoulder.

1541
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: He would go on to claim it was an old injury.

1542
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: It got activated when he landed a counter jab in

1543
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: the third round.

1544
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: The rest of the fight he fought with one arm. Yeah, Chuck,

1545
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 1: he felt really well with one arm.

1546
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: Thesame man, I could beat you with one hand, tie

1547
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: behind my back, although he had to try it right

1548
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 3: at the end of the.

1549
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 2: Day, a majority decision win from the much more active

1550
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: Mark Magsio. Big win for the Philippines for Mannipacio Promotions

1551
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: all that, and it was you know, Maxo's big for

1552
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: the division, he's aggressive, he's all that. But the story

1553
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: is kind of like Francis and Gano's knee injury where

1554
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: it could have gone south.

1555
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: And for Gary Russell, it's like, like he.

1556
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: Said afterwards, he gave this kid a boxing lesson, but

1557
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: two of the three judges didn't fully agree, going seven

1558
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 2: rounds to five in Magxo's favor. Do you think Gary

1559
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: Russell Junior should have gone forward with this fight given

1560
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: the injury suffered in training.

1561
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: Kit Well, I think part of it kind of speaks

1562
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: to who he is, right, like going in there and thinking,

1563
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: I mean, the guy fights once every blue moon, right,

1564
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: he's fighting the mandatory. So we were talking a little

1565
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 3: bit before this, but like he's in a situation where

1566
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 3: I think he believed he'd beat him anyway, and I

1567
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: don't think he really thought it would be an issue.

1568
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: I honestly don't think he thought it would be an issue.

1569
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 5: Now.

1570
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: That could be either stupid or that could just be like,

1571
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 3: I think I've got him either way, I think that

1572
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 3: we saw him. He still out boxed the kid, right,

1573
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: But at the same time, when you're doing it with

1574
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,879
Speaker 3: one hand, that's a tough situation.

1575
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: But he showed. He showed you like all the intangibles.

1576
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: He's thirty three, he's terribly inactive, but he's quick to

1577
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 2: be able to keep a big puncher off of you

1578
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: for nine rounds with one arm and just land clean

1579
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 2: counterpower shots. I mean, from that standpoint, he's always tough

1580
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: as nails. He took that beating against Lomachenko and his

1581
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: only pro defeat, and came back strong, won the title

1582
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,480
Speaker 2: in his next fight by knockout, but not against Lomachenko.

1583
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: But you get my point.

1584
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just.

1585
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: Sort of like, you know, yeah, he liking Goan.

1586
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: We would had an excuse if he lost, and he

1587
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: still does have somewhat of a built in excuse, I said,

1588
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: using it. But you know he wants a rematch. He

1589
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 2: thinks a rematch would make sense here. But you know,

1590
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: if he's fully healthy, I think he pieced his Maxao

1591
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: up and I think that this is the type of

1592
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: style that he feasts on.

1593
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: Yes, he's getting a little bit older.

1594
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: I was only happy he did this because he never

1595
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: fights and he's so good and you hate that you

1596
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: hate those two things collide.

1597
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 3: He's thirty three years old too. You'd better get busy.

1598
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 2: You're in the I wonder, Chuck, if this loss doesn't

1599
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: turn out to be a great thing for him, because

1600
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: maybe they run this back in a few months or

1601
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 2: whenever he's fully healthy.

1602
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: He said, he may or may not need surgery.

1603
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you go six, eight, nine months, and then maybe

1604
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: other people go, he's vulnerable, we can get him. Maybe

1605
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: he gets the fights he's looking for now.

1606
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I do think that

1607
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 3: we'll see him fighting more often. You know what it's like.

1608
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: It's like either if you don't have the if you

1609
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: have the belt, you can kind of get by with

1610
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: being selective. You can wait, you can do these things

1611
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: when you don't have the belt. You gotta stay busy.

1612
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: And remember the last time he lost. You're just mentioning

1613
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 3: this Liman chicken in twenty fourteen was the only time

1614
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 3: he fought twice in a calendar year. So I think

1615
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 3: we'll see soon. Yeah, So let's hope that, if nothing else,

1616
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: will see him in there more.

1617
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1618
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But he did show you a lot despite the loss.

1619
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: I thought the judges got it right. Max Sale was

1620
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: busy here. He did it, I mean like he had

1621
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: a great fight. I think he could have done even better.

1622
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: He's a much younger fighter, not the same fighting IQ,

1623
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 2: but he's got Freddie Roach and Marvin Simodio in his corner.

1624
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: He's got Manny Pachaio backing him. So if they do

1625
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: a rematch, I'm here for that, absolutely, Chuck. Normally we

1626
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 2: transition out of our five topics and go to DMS

1627
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: from Donks.

1628
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: I want to pump that.

1629
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 2: I want to pump that to Wednesday. We'll have a

1630
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: heavy segment with Luke out this week on fan Questions.

1631
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: So you know, BC, I gotta f around so last minute.

1632
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: Thanks to our production crew for scrambling for me because

1633
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: I made them on a Sunday night. I've created a

1634
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 2: new segment, Chuck.

1635
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, am I always part of the new segments.

1636
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: Come on now, A new segment guinea pig for you

1637
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 2: guys to put Chuck in the hot seat here. I

1638
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 2: like to call it truth or trivia.

1639
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 3: Oh man, okay, all right, no dramatic music.

1640
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: No, not yet. We're gonna add to that, Chuck. Here's

1641
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: the premise.

1642
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: I have five mm A trivia questions for you a

1643
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: master of this game, respected long time.

1644
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: Because I'm and historian.

1645
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 2: You will have thirty seconds per question. Each question will

1646
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 2: escalate in difficulty. But the hook to make to make

1647
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 2: old DC happy here is any question you get wrong,

1648
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 2: you must answer truthfully, a personal type question that I'm

1649
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: sure you came on today hoping you didn't have.

1650
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: To talk about.

1651
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 3: All right, I'll do my best.

1652
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate your willingness here.

1653
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: No, there's no wheel. You don't have to drink out

1654
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: of anybody's shoe. But here we go.

1655
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me, I'm almost there. Let me call

1656
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: up my notes. All right, here, there we go. Number one.

1657
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, cheat, I'm using my phone to film myself. I

1658
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: can't even cheat.

1659
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, even cheat?

1660
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 3: All right.

1661
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,959
Speaker 2: Of the fourteen different men to where the undisputed UFC

1662
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: Light Heavyweight Championship, thirteen of fourteen were born in the

1663
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: United States or Brazil. Who is the loan two oh

1664
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 2: five champ from outside of those two nations? Thirty seconds starting.

1665
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 3: Now at two five, Yes, I would say, uh Yon Bloovich.

1666
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck, you got it all right?

1667
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 2: You know you always start out one of those halftime

1668
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 2: segments where you gotta shoot they start out with a layup.

1669
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: Right, and then you go to the free throw, then

1670
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: you go to the three point harder from here, all right,

1671
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: then you trying to hit a half court shot to

1672
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: win your tuition. All right, here we go. Number two. Oh,

1673
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 1: that personal question would be great, damn all right, Number two.

1674
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 2: Chuck Connor McGregor has reached the end of the third

1675
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: round in three different pro fights, all of which came

1676
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 2: inside the octagon.

1677
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: Name the opponents. You'r thirty second starts now.

1678
01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 3: So he hit the end of the third round in

1679
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: three fights. Okay, D has one DS two? Is that

1680
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: just one opponent?

1681
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: Uh, there's separate fights. I need three separate fights from you.

1682
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 3: Okay, So those two fights, those two fights, and I'm

1683
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: trying to remember their maga, madam. I'll say, I don't

1684
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: think of that one. The Holloway.

1685
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 2: Okay, D has one DS two in Holloway, Chuck, that

1686
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: is incorrect.

1687
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: The DAS one was a second round submission. Rightfully.

1688
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: Got the only decision when in Connor's career when he

1689
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 2: beat Mac I'm sorry, the first one when he beat

1690
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: Max Holloway. The other answer was the second decision when

1691
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: went five rounds with Nate Diaz. The third answer was

1692
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: habib Normalga Medof was finished in the fourth round.

1693
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: Chuck.

1694
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 2: Alright, here we go, Chunk, It's time to get personal

1695
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: onn truth or Trivia.

1696
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 3: Try Chuck, what was the most.

1697
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: Difficult personal moment of your first twenty five years on

1698
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 2: this earth and what did you pull upon for strength

1699
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 2: to get through it in order to become the man

1700
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: in the hat that we know in love.

1701
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 3: To God, Good God. What a question, man, uh man?

1702
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 3: That is tough. Well, I would say in the first

1703
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 3: twenty five years, like, especially with writing side, like that's

1704
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: what I really wanted to focus on. I think I

1705
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 3: knew that fairly early on, and I was batted back

1706
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: quite a bit through those years. I would say, my

1707
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 3: biggest adversity has been finding editors and stuff like that

1708
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 3: who want to help and to build you and all that.

1709
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: So in the question your most difficult personal well.

1710
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 3: Personal, yes, all right, the most difficult personal one, I

1711
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 3: don't know, man, I don't would you have an answer

1712
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 3: to this one?

1713
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to You had those those meth years in Kansas, right, Oh?

1714
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: Say that?

1715
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 3: Yeah? See man, Now, I'm like that's just being revealed.

1716
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,799
Speaker 1: How square I've been Yeah, that legitimate child in uh

1717
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: in Dayton.

1718
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 3: No, No, No, I don't. I mean I was. I

1719
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 3: was with a girl for nine years who I didn't

1720
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 3: end up with uh in the end, So I would

1721
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 3: say that was a personal that.

1722
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: That will hurt bad at the end of it. Chuck, Yes, Chuck,

1723
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 2: what did you draw on for strength? This is what

1724
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: people want to know how you got here?

1725
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 3: You know, self belief, Brian, self belief.

1726
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 2: All right, we're getting close, We're getting personal. Is this

1727
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: like an odd way for me to create a therapy

1728
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: couch from my guess?

1729
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 1: All right?

1730
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 3: Trivia questions I was expecting, Like like these are like

1731
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 3: real philosophical and heart I know what to expect.

1732
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 2: That guy as always Chuck, it's a mixed bag when

1733
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: you play. Okay, they're both sometimes sweet, sometimes sour.

1734
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: Here we go, Jesus Chuck.

1735
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 2: Max Holloway earned Consensus Fighter of the Year honors in

1736
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and likely cemented his Hall of Fame resume

1737
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 2: with a pair of third round t KO title wins

1738
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 2: over former wait legend Jose Aldo. The two events were

1739
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: UFC two twelve and UFC two eighteen. Which cities did

1740
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: those two pay per view? Cards take place in.

1741
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, so second one was definitely in Rio. Uh

1742
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 3: the first one, Chuck, I will help you with this.

1743
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: The first one was in Rio. You have two twelve.

1744
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, you're right, You're right to eighteen was Uh?

1745
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 3: I want to say Detroit.

1746
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: What is your final answer?

1747
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 3: Be it Detroit?

1748
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh, Chuck, that's a big poll, right there.

1749
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 2: Well done, UFC two eighteen and destroy Wow, Chuck's like,

1750
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: I will never offer up anything personal again, or if

1751
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: you're on this show, thank you very much.

1752
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 3: I just I disappoint when I give you my personal information.

1753
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, all right, all right, trivia question

1754
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 2: number four on truth or trivia, Here we go.

1755
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: Hold on, I lost my notes. I'm resetting. I got computer.

1756
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: There we go, number four. You want a young j

1757
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: check Chuck. She owns UFC record five defenses of her

1758
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: women's former women's strawweight title name all five opponents. God

1759
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 2: that yo wanna defended her UFC strawweight title against Oh

1760
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: my god, you're thirty seconds beginning.

1761
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be a tough one, uh, Claudia Gadelia, Yes, Uh,

1762
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 3: let's see. God, I'm totally blanking on this right now,

1763
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: Jessica Penney.

1764
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: Yes, two of five fifteen seconds ago.

1765
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm blowing.

1766
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: I have a blank here, Chuck, Very good attempt right there.

1767
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: But it was Jessica Valerie Laturnu in Australia on the

1768
01:17:54,240 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 2: Rhonda rous Clausa in the rematch, Carolina coval Kaevis and

1769
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: Jessica andrage Inas. All right, Chuck, let's get personal here

1770
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: we go. All right, Given what you learned from our

1771
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: good friend Luke Thomas's failed attempt at keeping the MMA

1772
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: Hour on the tracks for Vox Media in twenty eighteen

1773
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,839
Speaker 2: after the exit of Ariel Hawane, what do you believe

1774
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: was Luke Thomas's biggest mistakes in trying to follow Aeriel?

1775
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: And how would you have done it differently?

1776
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: In hindsight, had MMA Fighting offered you the keys to

1777
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: the car with the same existing set up Luke had

1778
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 2: just four years ago?

1779
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 3: This is incindiaria, isn't it. I wouldn't have done it.

1780
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 3: That's the thing. That's why I wouldn't have done it.

1781
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 3: That was just that type of situation. Man. You can't

1782
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 3: win you know what I mean, You can't win that situation.

1783
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. I know that there was a certain

1784
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 3: amount of defiance in the air about like, well we

1785
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 3: just we got to keep rolling. That's from the MMA

1786
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: fighting side of things. Luke, I think was cast in

1787
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: the position and it was unfortunate, man, but he did it.

1788
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 3: He's got to do it like that was a that

1789
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 3: was a big moment for him. It just sucked because

1790
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 3: it was the same name. I don't know, I dude,

1791
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have I just wouldn't have done it. I

1792
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 3: would have just flat out said no.

1793
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: So what do you think went wrong for Luke in

1794
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: the end. He's always he's been honest about it, So

1795
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm not here just on him.

1796
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 3: Well, I think it was just destined to not work,

1797
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's something that he did wrong.

1798
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 3: If I recall though, he did try to sort of

1799
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 3: reinvent some of the show, right, Like he tried to

1800
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 3: kind of give it some spruce it up with some

1801
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 3: updates and do some different things. But man, it's just

1802
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: when you have something that's already established like that and

1803
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 3: you're trying to you know, kind of resume it or

1804
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 3: take over or whatever the situation is, it was just

1805
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: do him to fail. You know, in my mind, what.

1806
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: If they had offered you stupid money, and they're like,

1807
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't care. This is the way we're doing it.

1808
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what could you do in that case? What

1809
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 1: could you do? Show your power?

1810
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 3: I would tried if they came up with the right price,

1811
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, a mercenary, right like. But I mean, if

1812
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 3: they come up with the right price, I would have

1813
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 3: given it the old frosh effort. I would have tried it.

1814
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: But I honestly, if Luke can't salvage something. Luke is

1815
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,879
Speaker 3: a very good at what he does.

1816
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: And if he gives, good lord, if he can't.

1817
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 3: Do it, man, I can guarantee you that I would

1818
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 3: have failed at it. That's his forte.

1819
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 2: And then answer, Chuck, you didn't dodge it. He went

1820
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 2: after Bill. He dodged a little, but he went after it.

1821
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck. One more.

1822
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if the second ends our friendship. We'll

1823
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 2: see what happens. Here's the final trivia question in the

1824
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: debut of Truth or Trivia?

1825
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck.

1826
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: The inaugural inaugural the first ever Bellatour MMA card titled

1827
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 2: Belatour one, took place on April third, two thousand and nine,

1828
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, Florida. The card, though, featured a future UFC

1829
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: champion on it, a future Ultimate Fighter champion on it,

1830
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 2: and two fighters who went on to challenge unsuccessfully for

1831
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 2: a UFC title, including one of them in his UFC debut.

1832
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: Chuck named three of the four fighters on the Bellatour

1833
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: One card. It says, it's all four there, but I

1834
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 2: want to give you a shot here. Name three of

1835
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: the four fighters on the Bellatour One card. Three of

1836
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 2: the four went on to fight for a UFC title,

1837
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 2: one of them winning it, and the fourth and went

1838
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: on to win an Ultimate.

1839
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 3: Fighter Eddie Alvarez. That card, Michael Chandler.

1840
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: I'll Chuck, you had a good run.

1841
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: We were looking for, uh, we're looking for Eddie Alvarez.

1842
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: Jorge Mosvidal, Oh god, Joel Joe Soto, who, of course

1843
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: that's a late replacement, fought for a UFC title on

1844
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 2: his debut against TJ. Dilla Shaw and don't forget about

1845
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: Tough Season twelve champion Jonathan Brookins.

1846
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 3: How could you get, dude? You want to get so

1847
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 3: come on?

1848
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: He wait they did escort.

1849
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 2: In difficulty and personality, you know, personalized, all right, Joe?

1850
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 3: Joe?

1851
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: Wait?

1852
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, real quick, Joe Soto. That's funny that

1853
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 3: you mentioned him. Joe Soto is the one reason I've

1854
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 3: got You were talking earlier that Dana White wasn't in

1855
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 3: the press conference. That could mean a lot of things,

1856
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 3: but because one time he missed a press conference in here,

1857
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 3: right here in the state of Connecticut when they when

1858
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 3: they had a card at Foxwood's and he missed it

1859
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 3: because he took me backstage and dressed me down for

1860
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 3: something I'd wrote about Joe Soto. And I remember right,

1861
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 3: because Joe Soda was fighting a Joe Soda was fighting

1862
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,799
Speaker 3: for the title, like you mentioned, and I'd written something

1863
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: that they took, which is funny in respect, it's a

1864
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: funny story now at cocktail parties. But they I said

1865
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 3: that Joe Sodo could I said that who is a TJ. Dillashaw?

1866
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 3: Was that who is fighting TJ. Dilishaw could go in

1867
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 3: there and shoot red beams from his eyes and disintegrate

1868
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 3: and everybody would just say yeah, But it was Joe Soto.

1869
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 3: It was Joe Soto. I'd written this in a column

1870
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 3: and dude him and Dana White and Josovha missed the

1871
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 3: press conference to pull me on the back and dressed

1872
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 3: me down for about twenty minutes. That was, Okay, the

1873
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 3: highlight of my MMA life right there.

1874
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: Listen if you had fear of what personal question was

1875
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 2: coming in number five, because they escalate and that's why

1876
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 2: you decided to open.

1877
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: This personal chapter.

1878
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 2: But this, this this segment was designed to get the

1879
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: fence to know you better, Chuck, this is a great

1880
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: ass story.

1881
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: What was their tone like? Was it like principles?

1882
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 3: Mostly it's mostly that Dana White was uh, you know,

1883
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 3: Dana White was kind of actually, Dana was kind of

1884
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 3: the the voice of the reason. He was like, why

1885
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 3: what you know, come on, you know, blah bla blah.

1886
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 3: You guys don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

1887
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 3: You guys don't know what you're talking about, and that

1888
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: sort of thing. The guy who was really doing fuming

1889
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: was Joe Silva marching around the room, uh, coming at

1890
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 3: me pretty hard, just basically reading back to me what

1891
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: I wrote, you know, that sort of thing. Just uh,

1892
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 3: it was it was. It was hilarious in retrospect because

1893
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 3: everybody has has a story about an encounter, especially from

1894
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 3: the old days like with with when Dana really really

1895
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 3: cared about like his product and everything like it was.

1896
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: It was pretty funny. But Joe, but it was really

1897
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 3: Joe Silva Man, he was the one who was fuming,

1898
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 3: and I think Dana was kind of the good cop

1899
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 3: in that situation.

1900
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: Love it. Wow, great story. Yeah, they didn't pull your

1901
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: credential though. That's good to see you.

1902
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 3: No, they did not.

1903
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 2: All right, Chuck, we get person all the final time.

1904
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 2: All right, what was the biggest regret, misstep or miscalculation

1905
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 2: you have endured during your professional career that either still

1906
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 2: eats at your crow today in regrettable ways, or maybe

1907
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 2: taught you a valuable lesson on maneuvering the shark infested

1908
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 2: waters known as the mma journalist in broadcasting space. I mean, really, Chuck,

1909
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 2: what are the biggest lessons you've learned in managing this career.

1910
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: You've been a part of major companies like ESPN before,

1911
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 2: you've also succeeded on your own. What can you teach

1912
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 2: the audience here about what you know you've endured and

1913
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: learned along the way.

1914
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 3: Biggest misstep was agreed to do this truth or trivia? Brian,

1915
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: I'm kidding they Uh, you know what. I I've thought

1916
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 3: about this because I think it was a misstep for

1917
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 3: me when I went to MMA Fighting from ESPN uh

1918
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: and spent six years there. I think that was ultimately

1919
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 3: a misstep. There was just we were never aligned. I

1920
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 3: don't think me and the editor there on what my

1921
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,839
Speaker 3: role should have been, you know, because I fancy myself

1922
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 3: at ESPN, I was a basically a columnist, a blogger.

1923
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,919
Speaker 3: I was writing all the time, I was filling the page,

1924
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 3: and as going over to MMA Fighting, I was doing that.

1925
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 3: But they they have a way of kind of making

1926
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 3: it more that you're just writing MMA or recaps, or

1927
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 3: you're doing Hey, can somebody grab this little this tweet

1928
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Speaker 3: that Connor just put. They start doing that sort of thing.

1929
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Speaker 3: So it was a discounting. Yeah, it was a yeah,

1930
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 3: it was just kind of like you're discounting yourself. I

1931
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 3: wanted to I should have gotten out of there a

1932
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 3: lot earlier, to be honest, so that I would say

1933
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 3: that knowing that that was not going where I wanted to,

1934
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 3: I should have that that should have been like a

1935
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 3: three year timeline, not six. So I feel like I

1936
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 3: wasted some of my prime years in that place.

1937
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: That's a very fair and honest take truck this. I

1938
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: think this worked. I mean, what an episode we're given.

1939
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, thank you for trying. Thanks for bringing the crowbar,

1940
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 3: like the.

1941
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 2: The reason I give all this stuff under my cap

1942
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: for no one to see about me. Chuck, let's uh,

1943
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: let's also do a segment that we love doing. You've

1944
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 2: done this before from the studio many times. I scot

1945
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: with the Globe personally each weekend. And by the way,

1946
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: the fans are so good at helping me get the

1947
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 2: fuel for these segments. I want to shout out the

1948
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: drunken swan. That guy on Instagram is just a river.

1949
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: This stuff you should, Chuck. I always say you should

1950
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 2: see the ones that I don't put in the show.

1951
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: All right, right, Yeah, I searched the highs and lows,

1952
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: the good and bad, the ugly, the in between of

1953
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 2: combat sports and beyond.

1954
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 1: From the past week. It's called have you seen this shit?

1955
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 3: O oh god, here we go, my favorite segment.

1956
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck, let's get let's get buckle up. Here

1957
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: we go, Chuck.

1958
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Gaff, Gaff, are you there? I forgot we're

1959
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 2: skipping this first one, right, you're good with that.

1960
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: We'll do it. We'll show it later, Gaff all good

1961
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: with that? All right? So we'll skip that.

1962
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Here we go, Chuck, it starts UFC two seventy in Anaheim.

1963
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 1: We broke down the card.

1964
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,520
Speaker 2: But let's face it, brother, for better or worse, Vanessa

1965
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 2: Demopolis was the.

1966
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: Big winner this weekend. Chuck. This was at the weigh in.

1967
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: That's a very uh flexible pose right there. That's interesting,

1968
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: Uh does the split? Chuck your reaction to her celebration

1969
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: after submitting Silvannah Gomez Warez.

1970
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 3: Just kind of jumping on Joe Rogan and all that stuff.

1971
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so first she went out there,

1972
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 2: she gets dropped by a massive right hand.

1973
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm reading this stuff out of order.

1974
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 2: Here, get to the sub but look at this celebration,

1975
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 2: Chuck your thoughts.

1976
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 3: Well, let's put it this way.

1977
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: There it is.

1978
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just painful. And then they're like the arms

1979
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 3: striking to heaven. I love it, dude. I was sort

1980
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 3: of Again, it's just somebody that I hadn't really gad

1981
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 3: attention to knowing her backstory. Man, in the fight game,

1982
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 3: we have so many unique things going on. That is

1983
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 3: not a backstory that I feel like I've heard before.

1984
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: So we'll get to that backstory, Chuck.

1985
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 2: We're talking we're gonna live this real time.

1986
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, in real time.

1987
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 2: It was a great win because she got dropped early

1988
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 2: by a big puncher, yet never gave off, hung on,

1989
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: found a way out with that submission.

1990
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 1: Uh, it was great. The split was wild.

1991
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 2: But then we get to Joe Rogan by this is

1992
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: like the weirdest night for people being like in awe

1993
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: of Joe Rogan celebrity, which I understand, but nobody else

1994
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 2: did this.

1995
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 1: First of love the hog, the pick up, and then

1996
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: we get to the end of it. She would say

1997
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: after the.

1998
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 2: Fight that she planned this, uh, this hug pickup coming

1999
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: up here?

2000
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 1: Gaff can we go there?

2001
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god?

2002
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 1: Uh do we do we not have it? Do we

2003
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: skip it?

2004
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: All?

2005
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Right? Let's go to the video at least here's the

2006
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: let's just let's just play the audio.

2007
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:07,839
Speaker 3: Here gymnastic background or is it just karate? Or how

2008
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: do you do that so amazingly?

2009
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my stripper guard right there. So I don't

2010
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 6: think it's a secret. I was an exotic.

2011
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 3: Entertained for thirteen years. Hands.

2012
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 6: I didn't actually say this on the mic, but I'd

2013
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 6: like to say it right now. I walked away from

2014
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 6: being a stripper to continue this camp. I quit dancing

2015
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 6: about like six to eight weeks ago just so I

2016
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 6: could focus full time on MMA. Take this extremely seriously

2017
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 6: in the gym every single day. So yeah, but that's

2018
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 6: that's where that background comes from, and that's where those

2019
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 6: splits come from, and a lot of my jiu jitsu

2020
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 6: actually comes from. My expertise is a poll dancwer.

2021
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Chuck, Oh my god. First of all, she's a

2022
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: two sports star.

2023
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 2: We didn't realize that, but Chuck, you know, we've seen wrestling.

2024
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,560
Speaker 3: That question was already over at the turnstat getting like

2025
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and ones. You know what I mean.

2026
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: We've seen our wrestling.

2027
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 2: Karate boxing be great for bearers to get good at

2028
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 2: this sport. Here's the picture of her getting picking up

2029
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: by Joe. I don't know, maybe this starts a trend

2030
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 2: for for a transition from stripping to to this.

2031
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean thirteen years, dude.

2032
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 3: Thirteen years and as of Thanksgiving, which wasn't that long ago,

2033
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 3: she was still stripping. Come on, going in the holiday,

2034
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 3: she's still stripping. That's crazy, man.

2035
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Put it behind her to take the sports serious. Got

2036
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 1: a big win. Look.

2037
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 2: Look, I've seen this energy before a lot of people

2038
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 2: tweet at me that that's a factorytown MMA fighter. If

2039
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 2: I've ever seen it, I've I've been around this energy before, Chuck.

2040
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: But this crazy is fun. This kind of crazy is

2041
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 1: pretty fun. You gotta hear this.

2042
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 3: A lot of strip joints in Connecticut maybe you know

2043
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 3: of them, but not near me.

2044
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh there, Yeah, I mean I would never go anymore.

2045
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 1: But Chuck, I will say this, she tried to win

2046
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 1: the weekend. She damn near did. Right. That's a strong

2047
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: overall performance.

2048
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 3: Correct, that was a very strong performance, and especially getting dropped.

2049
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're talking about a competive getting dropped

2050
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 3: and then turning that into a victory thirty seconds later,

2051
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 3: that was pretty impressive.

2052
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: That's big, big, big win for for old Demopolis.

2053
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 3: There.

2054
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going on.

2055
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 2: Two seventy A real recognizing, real, you know, I love

2056
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 2: these power broker moments. Frances and Ghan who takes the

2057
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: decision from Cyril Ghan and look at Justin Gaechie like yeah.

2058
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, motherfucker right, I'm brizzy. Wat's that that fist pump?

2059
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: We'll run it back?

2060
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 3: All right? All right?

2061
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: All right? Who let that fan close to the fighters? Chuck?

2062
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 2: I mean you may have heard the story when we

2063
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 2: won the award at World MMA Awards, Gay Chie grabbed

2064
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 2: my arm as I was walking past her.

2065
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: Was like, yeah, dude, yeah, it was basically the thing. Yeah,

2066
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,799
Speaker 1: he was a congratulations you guys are awesome.

2067
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that dude's a berserker. Man. I was in a

2068
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 3: room once in Orlando and he came in with all

2069
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 3: the abdella za's I was talking to. I was talking

2070
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: to U Joe Solva. Actually again, I was talking to

2071
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 3: Joe Silva. I forget about what, but we were sitting

2072
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 3: up in his room and those guys came in and

2073
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 3: it's like one am, you know, and I don't know

2074
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 3: what they've been out doing, but he came in with

2075
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 3: that exact same energy. It's hilarious that he I think

2076
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: that's just who he is.

2077
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: Man.

2078
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 3: He comes in there and he's always just like he's

2079
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 3: fucking drinking pot of coffee, you know what I mean.

2080
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: That's the spirit he brings to this. I bring that

2081
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: same thing to the show, Chuck. Okay, they eventually do

2082
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: that is well wow wow, okay, but I hope I

2083
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: don't end up with ct uh Michelle Padata.

2084
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: Chuck delivered everything and I think this is the first

2085
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 2: time I've seen Harold Howard try this before. I don't

2086
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 2: think I've ever seen somebody land it this good. Michelle Paeda,

2087
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 2: what do you call this? What do you call this kick?

2088
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 3: It's not a uh what do you call those? It's

2089
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 3: not an iminari roll or whatever? Right, that's not that I'd.

2090
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 2: Call it a fireworkickick. I don't speak like the terms that.

2091
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 3: The don't you know, I don't either, But I mean

2092
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: I was thinking that exact same thing he's he lands it.

2093
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 3: He lands it on the top of his head. But

2094
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 3: he does land it because we've seen guys try this

2095
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 3: kind of stuff before and it usually just looks funny,

2096
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 3: you know, because the guy just says a somersaul in

2097
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 3: front of the other guy like backs up that actually

2098
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,440
Speaker 3: hits him on the top of the head. So all

2099
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 3: part of that very unique second round he had chuck.

2100
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 2: Referee Mike Beltron had a tough night on social media

2101
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 2: for letting fighters be warriors in the cage.

2102
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:13,759
Speaker 1: But what do you think.

2103
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 2: About this body lock he put on Trevin Giles after

2104
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: Michael Morales gets a stoppage win.

2105
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 3: I noticed this in real time. I was like, what

2106
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 3: the hell is he doing, man, I mean he's used

2107
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 3: to detaining people. I think he's a detective in his well.

2108
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 2: If you if you have facial hair like that and

2109
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 2: you flaunt it, you can handle yourself.

2110
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: There's like there's rules, right, nature has rules.

2111
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 3: I mean it's a little invasive, you know what I mean. Yeah,

2112
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 3: I don't even see the conclusion. We just see like

2113
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 3: we just see the beginning of that.

2114
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like Showtime softcore. Yeah, polish MMA

2115
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: always gives us special stuff. This is a true Kuposa special.

2116
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Did you see this brutal ground and pound ko to

2117
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 2: the body?

2118
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 3: Brother, Okay, let me see here.

2119
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: I don't know the fighters to look at that agony.

2120
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 3: Oh god, Oh I didn't see this. Wow man, that

2121
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 3: is Oh, I just it's right to the that's filthy.

2122
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:07,560
Speaker 3: That is that's a thrax.

2123
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, put a hole in them.

2124
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 3: Mouthguard comes out. That's insane footage right there. Man.

2125
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: Chuck unified Jesus unified one hundred and twenty two pounds

2126
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 2: boxing champion Stephen Fulton Junior. You may have seen him

2127
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 2: on Showtime. He got to ring the bell out the

2128
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,839
Speaker 2: seventy six ers game. He was also in the crowd

2129
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 2: Saturday in the Gary Russell fight and said to Jim

2130
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Gray he's looking to either Unified Belts again next or

2131
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 2: do a rematch with Brandon Figueroa. Good to see somebody

2132
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 2: from my team boxing get the shine here at the

2133
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 2: seventy six ers game. Did you see that Fulton figaroa

2134
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 2: fight from just a couple months back on Showtime Ship.

2135
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 3: I am sad to say that I have not. But see,

2136
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 3: here's the problem now that I'm dealing with you guys

2137
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 3: at the Showtime again. I want to watch all the

2138
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 3: fights again, but I have not been doing it. I've

2139
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 3: been so stuck in the MMA world.

2140
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's very hard to do both at a

2141
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 2: high level.

2142
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:55,719
Speaker 1: Chuck, Okay, that's why.

2143
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 3: There's only one of us who can do that, Brian,

2144
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 3: and I think we know who that is.

2145
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 2: It's a few unicorns out there like Andreas Hale and

2146
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:01,919
Speaker 2: your boy BC.

2147
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, Chuck.

2148
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Saturday Showtime Boxing comin event was all action, all the

2149
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 2: time as Subrio Mattias gained revenge over his only pro loss,

2150
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 2: stopping Petros Ananion. Chuck, here's just a little sample of

2151
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: the savagery. Can we go full screen here? Gap This

2152
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 2: fight was a wow a war. Give me that blown

2153
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 2: up shit here. Yeah, damn, Taos was the winner there

2154
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 2: in the gray trunks. But uh, they're just two guys.

2155
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 2: They sold out the whole fight. They just sold out.

2156
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 2: You'd love to see it, Okay.

2157
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 3: I do love to see that. Ah. They're just both

2158
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 3: right in each other's wheelhouse there too.

2159
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, all night long, as Lano Richie used to say.

2160
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, Chuck, Let's face it, that's enough fighting for

2161
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: have you seen this ship? People just want to see

2162
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 2: injuries and drunk chicks, okay in this segment.

2163
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: So that's what we give them. Let's go to the poll.

2164
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 2: Speaking of what we were, you gotta be careful on

2165
01:35:58,560 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 2: the pole.

2166
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 3: Chuck, who do we got here?

2167
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh that's who did we have here? Chuck? That's

2168
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: o kao oh.

2169
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Lord. You know who has a pool like that in

2170
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:13,639
Speaker 3: their house? Fifty probably. But the guy who's gonna mention

2171
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 3: was Chuck Leadell. I did a piece on himson in

2172
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 3: the second floor. He had a stripper bowl right in

2173
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 3: the middle of his floor. I was like, man, he

2174
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: must have some wild parties back in the day.

2175
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right, let's keep it going. We'll skip

2176
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 2: over the one that doesn't work. Uh, you gotta be careful. Uh,

2177
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 2: there we go full yeah seven, let's go there you

2178
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 2: go bingo. Uh, you gotta be careful. You know, you

2179
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 2: got to plan your dives correctly. Some people want to

2180
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 2: go all in on life, chuck. But you gotta you know,

2181
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 2: you gotta check the pool below.

2182
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 3: You hell is going on?

2183
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's not.

2184
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 3: Yea, I survived that. I wouldn't.

2185
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: You want to see a real alpha.

2186
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 3: The water splash off of the sand.

2187
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: That's hiri yea. How do you walk that walk of

2188
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: shame off? Speaking of a real man?

2189
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 2: Check out Ronaldinho, Brazilian soccer legend.

2190
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: I probably just butcher. You think I care?

2191
01:36:58,880 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 3: Is it?

2192
01:36:59,080 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Holnaldino?

2193
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Ronaldinho meeting some of his female fans.

2194
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Chuck, all right, how do we get this famous?

2195
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 5: Yuck?

2196
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean I've had this happen a couple

2197
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 3: of times, but usually they're signing me.

2198
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: It's not yeah, yeah, he should forget his name. He's

2199
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: just right. Yep, that's a D. That's definitely a D.

2200
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 1: All right, let me just sign that again.

2201
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 3: Hey, he's game, you know what I mean? See I

2202
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 3: bet you would do the same thing in his position.

2203
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 1: I'm a family man.

2204
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: I know you're but you know he's would would you

2205
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 2: pay four ninety a month just to read his DM

2206
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: You can't screenshot it, just read him?

2207
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 6: Right?

2208
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 3: Oh god?

2209
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, okay, all right, let's go uh check out

2210
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 2: this guy speaking of hunger. Wow, Chuck, Wow, this is

2211
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 2: man ship right here. You know, you take the girl

2212
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 2: the take the girl of the game by the slice

2213
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 2: of pizza.

2214
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's wrong.

2215
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 3: What was he doing?

2216
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: I'm on, I mean, that's not for everybody. Chuck.

2217
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you know what, man, if they put you

2218
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,560
Speaker 3: on the jumbo tron, make the most of it, you

2219
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

2220
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: Got it? You got it automatically.

2221
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 2: When I used to get on the jumbo tron, like

2222
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 2: at minor league hockey, am I like, you know, drunken

2223
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 2: early twenties days, instantly you got like d X chop

2224
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 2: or do the gross sign or something gross?

2225
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: Right, you got it?

2226
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: You got it. What's the what's the You keep posting

2227
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 3: this thing where you're like playing a flute but it's

2228
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: like a drumstick or something. The hell's going on?

2229
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2230
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: That was That was on a cruise in two thousand

2231
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: and two, and I was very drunk with.

2232
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 3: The laugh every time I see it.

2233
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2234
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 2: So it was a flute that I bought in the

2235
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 2: gift shop and I just would play it in public

2236
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 2: to annoy the relatives that were with me, to embarrass them,

2237
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 2: and like large groups of like the you know families,

2238
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 2: be walking by. They'd stop and they turn around, and

2239
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm going after it, Chuck.

2240
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 3: Right, So he's always been this way, I think, is

2241
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 3: what the story here is.

2242
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well, Chuck, you mentioned you're from Colorado, so

2243
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 2: you could probably appreciate this. I don't know what they

2244
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 2: call this the water jug bong, but uh, could you

2245
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 2: survive this?

2246
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: Move here? Cypress has always given us the good stuff there.

2247
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 1: I mean that, Why, that's commitment, Chuck, that's commitment.

2248
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, I would not survive this.

2249
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 1: You think he'd pass out instantly.

2250
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 3: I would. I'm a lightweight man. It comes to this.

2251
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 3: This is hilarious, though.

2252
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Wagenheim walks away right.

2253
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 3: Oh, Wagonheim, he's if for him.

2254
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 2: If Luke Thomas was here, he would probably say, oh God, yes,

2255
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: I need this on my house.

2256
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Give this to me right now. We got.

2257
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: Let's go back to regional mma, Chuck, because anything can happen,

2258
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 2: including incredible face.

2259
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: Verst Ko's well yeah, this ship. He's like, you don't

2260
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: need a shovel. I'll start digging for you, right man.

2261
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck.

2262
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 2: There's usually a lot of love on this show for

2263
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,759
Speaker 2: big booty Latinas because that's that's Luke's taste.

2264
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 1: But does this crazy lady turn you on or turn

2265
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: you off?

2266
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 3: Chuck?

2267
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: I want I want to really, I want the public

2268
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: to know what you prefer.

2269
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:13,799
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was like c G I, Yeah, that's.

2270
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 1: Rock like oh man, yeah, that's not your thing.

2271
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, no Street Fight of the Week. Oddly enough,

2272
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 2: it took place right outside of an RBS. Yes, sir,

2273
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 2: it is an RBS. Check out this road fight road

2274
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 2: rage pulling over and we're going after it. Yes, it

2275
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 2: can't be Florida, can't I Oh wow?

2276
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: One power power is the last thing to go, Chuck.

2277
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 3: All right, if you fight, dude, throwing up your dukes,

2278
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 3: if you have no idea what the hell you're doing

2279
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 3: like that? It's just what are you doing?

2280
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Like?

2281
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 3: I mean, like there's all squaring off. I'll work the jab,

2282
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 3: work the jab, and then and.

2283
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: Then the first chuck, he is wearing a hat very

2284
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: similar to you say.

2285
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 3: Does translate to power? I found that out.

2286
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 2: This isn't Social Justice Wednesday. But here's a boxing Twitter

2287
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 2: beef in four tweets. This was interesting.

2288
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: Dravante.

2289
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 2: Davis begins with beautiful pictures of his new child, and

2290
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 2: he's being a dad.

2291
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: He's having fun here. Look at this. By the way,

2292
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: I love Gervante's tat setup. It's aggressive, but I don't

2293
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: speak to technique like Luke does. But well, you know

2294
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot of us were touched by it. Even Walter

2295
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 1: Way Ivan Redcotch was.

2296
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations on the newborn.

2297
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 3: Right nice.

2298
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 2: Gravante's response, there we go, we go a little faster.

2299
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's that's that's pretty extreme their tank. And

2300
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 2: then here's Ivan Redcotch's comeback. I mean, there's only one

2301
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 2: way to settle this.

2302
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Right chuck.

2303
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Davis.

2304
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:07,720
Speaker 1: That escalated quite quick. Yes, they almost fought a few times,

2305
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you.

2306
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 3: Guys, this segment's perfectly timed because a social media at

2307
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 3: this point offers so much, like you know what I mean.

2308
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 3: When we first started, it was kind of harder to

2309
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: find this footage. I feel like, now you have to

2310
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 3: sift two millions of submissions, don't you.

2311
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they're usually gross and ridiculous.

2312
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't do it, all right, Hey, Chuck,

2313
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 2: you want to talk about poison under pressure? It was

2314
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Francis and Ghanu taking the fight to the matt on

2315
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 2: Saturday night. It was also this guy tea and off

2316
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 2: despite the carnage in front of him.

2317
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, that is funny as hell, man. I mean

2318
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 3: you got to play through, right, I'm guessing this is

2319
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 3: in Colorado?

2320
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 1: Yes, right, it looks like du.

2321
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man. The neighborhood I'm from is actually, uh,

2322
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 3: this is the neighborhood bro both like between Boulder and Broomfield, Colorado.

2323
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 3: It's like in that area. So the subdivision is leveled.

2324
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 3: I know exactly which subdivision that is. But that's funny, man.

2325
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't we don't cheer for this stuff,

2326
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: but don't it. Uh.

2327
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 2: Finally, Chuck, I'm so happy that you and I haven't

2328
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 2: had to, like, you know, go back to the Jersey

2329
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 2: City MK studio by taking public transportation.

2330
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh wait, don't you always take public transportation?

2331
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 3: All right?

2332
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: Well, you see stuff like this, Chuck, Our video of

2333
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 1: the week.

2334
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:27,280
Speaker 2: This one had it all. Look at these two guys

2335
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 2: just going at it in the public square. God, I

2336
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 2: don't Oh, boy Man's best friend also going at it, Chuck,

2337
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: this isiling.

2338
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 3: Up on that guy.

2339
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 5: Man.

2340
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, at first I was like, Wow, what a protector

2341
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 1: of this? Oh my god, look Grandma that Yeah.

2342
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 2: That's great, that's fantastic. That's the ship of the week truck.

2343
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 2: We close post Mondays with a little odds and that

2344
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 2: insaction what we missed over the weekend news all that.

2345
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 2: Let me go first, because I gotta hand it to

2346
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 2: our fine social staff here at Morning Combat MALCA Showtime.

2347
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: CBS Sports.

2348
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 2: This clip they put out of what went down Friday

2349
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 2: during and after our Morning Combat episode involving one Luke Thomas.

2350
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: And so it started when we shouted.

2351
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 2: Out our boy big Ee of the New Day of

2352
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 2: ww fame, who shared his public love for us. Let's

2353
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 2: throw to this well edited clip right here. I think

2354
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 2: he's a badass.

2355
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,760
Speaker 3: He's been nothing but kind to you and to me.

2356
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 4: So you know what, I guess he's my favorite professional

2357
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 4: wrestler right Because I do like the Rock.

2358
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 3: We didn't really do it anymore.

2359
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 5: Project Rock is proud to be the official footwear of

2360
01:44:48,680 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 5: the UFC, or Luke.

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01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: Can win the w this what the Rock? I mean Rock?

2362
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Chuck, could you ask for that kind of

2363
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 2: timing where Luke is like, oh, you know, probably say

2364
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 2: the Rock's my favorite wrestler and that happens the same day.

2365
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 2: Chuck be the judge, be the arbiter. Did Luke Thomas

2366
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 2: get sent to hell by the Rock?

2367
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 3: Sure looked like you did. Like that. You're right there

2368
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:54,840
Speaker 3: to provide the elevator. You hit the damn button for him.

2369
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 3: He went right down with it.

2370
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:59,719
Speaker 2: I did get a text from Luke this morning that says, anyway,

2371
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,639
Speaker 2: have a great show. The Rock is an exploitative hoe

2372
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 2: with dad sneakers. I forgot to burst my teeth. I'll

2373
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: talk to you all later. That is that is great

2374
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 2: stuff there.

2375
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 3: You guys have a very unique relationship. I like it.

2376
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 2: So, Chuck, here's the deal, Like Luke was actually right,

2377
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:19,600
Speaker 2: you know you could you could certainly make an argument that.

2378
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 2: So the deal is that the Rock Shoe Company, which

2379
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:24,759
Speaker 2: we didn't know we had, just signed with the UFC

2380
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 2: to become the official footwear provider for the UFC. That

2381
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 2: so they put out this what is like an awesome

2382
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 2: promo of like The Rock using great UFC fight montages

2383
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 2: to talk about being a soldier and being you know,

2384
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 2: I mean I was.

2385
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: I was kind of fired up coming off of that.

2386
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 2: It was pretty badass, yeah, but no mention of the

2387
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 2: sneaker and it's a sneaker commercial. So while Luke isn't

2388
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 2: wrong meaning that we're only harping on this because The

2389
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,600
Speaker 2: Rock's like the most famous person in the world and

2390
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 2: he happened to just drop that bomb on Luke. But

2391
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 2: you know what makes this situation so perfect, you know

2392
01:46:59,439 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 2: why this was the perfect edit, the perfect day for

2393
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 2: me to play this today.

2394
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: And just laugh at it. Luke doesn't get why we care.

2395
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:10,840
Speaker 1: Luke doesn't get why this is a thing. He's just like,

2396
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't care what what? I don't care. I mean, look,

2397
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't wrong. He didn't send me to hell. I mean,

2398
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:18,599
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, it's cool, Like he just doesn't

2399
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 1: get it. Chunk, I love.

2400
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 3: That, So you're from your elevated purchase even funnier. I

2401
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 3: like that, man, I think it's great.

2402
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I would mean to just keep pointing out

2403
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 2: my friend and be like everybody laugh at it.

2404
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: But it's like you the Rock.

2405
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 2: The Rock just dumped on you like after you put

2406
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 2: him over, like this is great, and Luke's just like,

2407
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't even understand why anybody cares like this is

2408
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, if you didn't even actually he was wrong.

2409
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, shout out to Luke. Enjoy your vacation. We

2410
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 1: we love you, absolutely so. Chuck. By the way, those

2411
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 1: do look like Walmart sneakers, I mean, are you kidding me?

2412
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,679
Speaker 3: They do? Or British Knights remember those Rember?

2413
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 2: I mean, just is this just like clout fucking at

2414
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 2: its worst, Like, oh we we don't have an official

2415
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 2: footwear provider?

2416
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, ok, yes it is, it is.

2417
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 1: And what percentage of this deal do you think the

2418
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:06,600
Speaker 1: fighters get you?

2419
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, go back and watch the opening segments of our show.

2420
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 3: Come on.

2421
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, odds and ends. Indeed, Chuck, what he has.

2422
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 3: Well, mine pills completely in comparison to yours, man, Mine

2423
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 3: is nothing like that. I just wanted to give a

2424
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 3: shout out to my boy, who's my neighbor here. He

2425
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 3: lives very close to where I'm at here in Connecticut Glover.

2426
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 3: To Shera, who now has his first title defense set

2427
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 3: up for the light heavyweight belt. May seventh. I'm thinking

2428
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 3: it's going to be real. That seems to be what

2429
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:37,759
Speaker 3: he believes it's going to be. Against Yuri Prahashka again,

2430
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 3: he will be the installed as the underdog in a fight.

2431
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 3: I think that'll be three or four in a row

2432
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,639
Speaker 3: that he'll be the underdog. And man, I got to say,

2433
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 3: I don't know how it feels for YOUBC, like out

2434
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 3: where you are in Connecticut, but in my section in

2435
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 3: western Connecticut, this is Glover Country. Man, I feel like

2436
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 3: they separate everything that goes on with this guy. They

2437
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 3: had a parade for him when he came home from

2438
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 3: his last fight when he won the title. Every restaurant

2439
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 3: here like red Carpet Center for him. Like it's just

2440
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 3: it's hilarious.

2441
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

2442
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to Connecticut right there, because I was

2443
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 2: gonna say, Chuck, I'm looking I'm typing in your your

2444
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 2: your town to just see how far away we live.

2445
01:49:12,920 --> 01:49:14,759
Speaker 1: You know, we don't out yeah or anything.

2446
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Chuck, you and I live thirty six miles apart.

2447
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 3: And that's that's the length of the state. By the way,

2448
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 3: it's about thirty six miles.

2449
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 2: And he doesn't even have forget a footprint. He doesn't

2450
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 2: even have a you know, priest or a chance in

2451
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 2: hell that anyone knows he is out this far.

2452
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: But love love this fight. Love that they're doing it.

2453
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 2: In Brazil, Chuck Like, preparing these trivia questions reminded me

2454
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,799
Speaker 2: that Max Holloway had to travel to Brazil to dethrow

2455
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 2: in Josie.

2456
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: Although like d like, I love the.

2457
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 2: The idea of moreno figureola going to Mexico, like the figurato,

2458
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 2: the idea of that type.

2459
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,599
Speaker 3: Of that's great about it. That's what's great about it.

2460
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 3: If you're gonna be a heel, put all the to

2461
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 3: say you beat a guy, and then you put all

2462
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 3: all of the chips in his corner and you say like, hey,

2463
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 3: let's go do it again on your terms, and I'll

2464
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 3: just do the exact same thing, did you. That's that's

2465
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 3: healed him.

2466
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 1: You know what else? I loved So Glover.

2467
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if like he was in Va sorry,

2468
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:08,120
Speaker 2: he was in Anaheim uh to meet with officials and

2469
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 2: signed the deal, or if they flew him out to

2470
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 2: do a little advertisement like they do with.

2471
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 1: The fighters who have a fight coming up.

2472
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 2: So they put Glover in the front row like they

2473
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 2: do a lot of times and Chuck, you've been to

2474
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 2: these UFC fights. It is you know, it is a

2475
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 2: it's a different crowd, but it's like they're you know,

2476
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 2: if if the MMA Awards that we went to was

2477
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 2: like MMA prom this is like, you know.

2478
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 1: People flaunt it.

2479
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 2: And he shows up in like the Dad Venom UFC

2480
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 2: track suit that he probably got for free.

2481
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,400
Speaker 1: Like just total like that's Glover man.

2482
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,679
Speaker 3: He doesn't give a damn. Man, I mean, he doesn't

2483
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 3: give a damn, but that is exactly who he is.

2484
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 3: He's nobody other than that man. That's exactly who he is.

2485
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 2: So I say that beyond just living close to him

2486
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 2: and probably having interviewed him in person a few times, are.

2487
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 1: You guys like friends?

2488
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 2: Like is this like because you were friends with Corey

2489
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 2: Graves of ww fame, a great guy who Corey lived.

2490
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 3: Right down the I mean literally I could walk to

2491
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 3: his house.

2492
01:50:58,360 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 2: I could walk and when you were like, yo, bro,

2493
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 2: you should come over, like I got called Corey graveshar

2494
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh shit, Like like you know, having like

2495
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 2: Clover's not like in your basement like telling you inside

2496
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,439
Speaker 2: stories about how hot Yuanna is on Instagram or anything

2497
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:11,920
Speaker 2: like that that's not like really happening, right.

2498
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,879
Speaker 3: No, he says it. He says it right in my driveway.

2499
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 3: He talks about you wanna like but like it now?

2500
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 3: But we uh. He lives so close that we've had

2501
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 3: dinner once. He wants to do it again soon. So

2502
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I don't really know him, but dude,

2503
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 3: he knows, he knows that I'm involved in the game,

2504
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 3: and he's just so down to earth. Man.

2505
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we need the Connecticut Summit of us Power. There

2506
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 1: you go, you go com back Connecticut. Yeah to bad.

2507
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 2: Chad Dawson also in that group. Okay, he'll be fighting

2508
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 2: me tour bell for it coming up if you care.

2509
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 2: But no, I love that fight.

2510
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: Love. It's in Brazil.

2511
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 2: Glover's getting his victory lap here and whether he hangs

2512
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 2: onto the belt or not, this has been it's been

2513
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 2: a great story, Chuck, It.

2514
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 3: Really has absolutely, man.

2515
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chuck, it's been great.

2516
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 2: Great having you here. Where can people find you? Please

2517
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,560
Speaker 2: shout your entire catalog off here.

2518
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:59,719
Speaker 3: My entire count Well. I think the Twitter is probably

2519
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 3: the best when it's just at Chuck Mian and all.

2520
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 3: That's it, right, And then I do have an Instagram.

2521
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 3: Are you guys posting it. I don't know. I don't

2522
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 3: yea Instagram Instagram it just has the underscore in there.

2523
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 3: I actually need to start doing the Instagram more. Man,

2524
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 3: I feel like I neglect it.

2525
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: You should do it Instagram. You know, Luke loves it. Luke.

2526
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 1: So it was like, b see what you know? You

2527
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: don't You don't put enough social.

2528
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:22,759
Speaker 2: Posts out out there, you know, like, you know, Luke wants.

2529
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 3: It's you, it's your family, it's your dog. Yet that

2530
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 3: stuff like that, I get to see a different side.

2531
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: But we can, we can listen to you with the

2532
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: Ringer Spotify show. What should the fans?

2533
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're doing the Ringer MMA show. It's after

2534
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 3: every major pay per view, but we're trying to do

2535
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 3: it either every Thursday and every Saturday, like so a

2536
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,200
Speaker 3: couple of times a week. It's still being kind of

2537
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 3: worked out, but that's generally when we do it.

2538
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 2: Wow, imagine if we end up going head to head

2539
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 2: with that show, meaning wee Morning Combat you know something. Yeah,

2540
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 2: also a part of and and You it's like this

2541
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 2: w cwww F thing and you're showing up on one

2542
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 2: show when it's like you're Rick rud or something here, Chuck,

2543
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 2: you at that you know, at that point our people

2544
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 2: voting for you know, auser area, or they voting for

2545
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 2: you at the the you know it's gonna.

2546
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 3: Be man, I've got skin in both games, you know

2547
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like I celebrate all of our awards.

2548
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: This is great, absolutely, Chuck, great to have you.

2549
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 2: You can check out our Morning Combat merch which Chuck

2550
01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: has a few items that we gifted him.

2551
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: I hope that you'll wear it around your area in

2552
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 1: Connecticut people could be like damn.

2553
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 3: Right.

2554
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,360
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2557
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Speaker 1: We have plenty new merchandise on there.

2558
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Speaker 2: If you like the whole Luke skull line, we got

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2560
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Speaker 2: thing with the sun and the asshole, so check that

2561
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Speaker 2: out as well the fist in the sun.

2562
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2563
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Speaker 2: Hey beltur back with a bang Bader Muldowski for the

2565
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Speaker 2: undispeeded heavyweight title this Saturday night. You can get your

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Speaker 2: Guy, they got they have you know what they have

2569
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Speaker 2: a Chuck. If you get the app, then you look

2570
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Speaker 2: at them. They're on demand content for movies. They are

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Speaker 2: overloaded with great seventies neo noir crime films.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was watching Circaco. Yeah, I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was going deep there.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Nice, So check that.

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Speaker 2: Go to YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat right now

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Speaker 2: to check out Chuck joining us for high court debating.

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Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame resume of one Michael Bisbing, so.

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Speaker 2: You can check all that stuff out. You can check

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Speaker 2: out Chuck's great work. Do you have your own website?

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Speaker 3: Is at the deal Yeah, the myth dot com.

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Speaker 1: In my man in the damn hat. There he is

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Speaker 1: Chuck Hall.

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Speaker 2: For our great team here at Morning Coombat at CBS

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Speaker 2: at showtime. You see our email addressment their Morning Combat

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Speaker 2: at Gmail. For Wednesday's fans submissions, Friday's dead wrongs, and

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Speaker 2: for our great staff here gaff on the ones and

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Speaker 2: twos run on the show today. My name is Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: That is Chuck Minton Hall, Luke Thomas. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week, but give him his time, let him enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna be next to me this week. You're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to wait and see, but we got to words

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: We out