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Speaker 1: don't like your boy. I was thinking, and I want

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Speaker 1: to get to last night's Blue Jays comeback win. We'll

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Speaker 1: get on last night's NFL games, the second of which

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Speaker 1: congrats to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. But I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree ugly football game, right, like like Dan's

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Speaker 1: probably like, dude, we'll take it. Don't care. But that

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Speaker 1: was not an aesthetically pleasing game at all. No, you

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Speaker 1: don't care. You do care. That was ugly.

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Speaker 2: It was absolutely awful, Doug, it was. It was atrocious.

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Speaker 2: Anytime you said the football over four times in a

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Speaker 2: game and you have an opportunity to wrap it up,

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Speaker 2: and they failed to do so. One of the least

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Speaker 2: satisfying wins in my memory for the Seahawks, despite them

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Speaker 2: being five and two.

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Speaker 1: I would so much rather win ugly than lose pretty.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt, you know, just didn't have to be

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: No, it was. It was an ugly football like so

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Speaker 1: much so that like I knew Jason didn't text us

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Speaker 1: last night, but I know he was chuckling. And chortling's

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Speaker 1: a word, right, Like we all know what chortling is

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Speaker 1: when you like kind of snort and chuckle at the

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Speaker 1: same time. Right, Jason was chortling last night because he's

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Speaker 1: been on this zero patur the everybody watched the NFL,

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Speaker 1: even though the NFL's product isn't really any good, and

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Speaker 1: last night was one of his atta boy moments because

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Speaker 1: he was right. I was watching him like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Jason's so right. This is such a bad football game,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's and again I want to get to baseball,

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Speaker 1: give me one minute, but something you said in the

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Speaker 1: update was like the only reason to maybe pay attention

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Speaker 1: to tonight's Rockets Oklahoma City Thunder game. You said, the

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Speaker 1: thunder are gonna get their rings tonight and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: take on Kevin Durant, Right, so there are people that'll

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Speaker 1: be in the crowd, not any of the players. They'd

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Speaker 1: be like, c KD, we want to want a ring

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Speaker 1: without you. He'd be like, I have two, would have

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Speaker 1: had three if I didn't get hurt. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting. It's like he's their former great player and

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Speaker 1: tonight is a little bit of in your face, we

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Speaker 1: can win a championship here, you just weren't good enough

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Speaker 1: guess just the thing anyway, NBA season lacking a lot

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Speaker 1: And then there's the idea of the best team is

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Speaker 1: around to the fact because it's like you gotta win

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Speaker 1: win a championship. And we're stuck because Oklaoma City won

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Speaker 1: a championship before they had multiple bona fide stars, which

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Speaker 1: means we could have that there's a world there where

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Speaker 1: Back to the NBA in a second, let's get to

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. I was watching last night George Springer

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Speaker 1: and what looked like it It didn't look good. Granted,

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Speaker 1: seventh inning, that's when it usually goes bad. I thought

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Speaker 1: But that's okay because people don't respond to Dan's and

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Speaker 1: that's the most cliche cliche baseball thing ever, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Like it's the blue Jay's bottom half of the seventh,

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Speaker 1: that's the cliche, that's how it always happens. It's it's

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Speaker 1: become a guaranteed point. And in baseball, the most cliche

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Speaker 1: thing about a comeback is the lead off walk. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: the leadoff oh boy, and the pressure builds up. Now buyer,

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Speaker 1: have you and Jason? Have you heard Jason go and

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Speaker 1: do his rant about how like he's really bothered that

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Speaker 1: Springer George Springer hit the home run last night because

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Speaker 1: George Springer was the MVP of the Sully Championship, because

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Speaker 2: We have not had a conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's he he just is really struggling with it. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's smoking hot girlfriend. He can't talk to her. He's

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Speaker 1: And I get it, but it's it's like he was

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Speaker 1: this behemoth figure late in his thirties hitting out bombs,

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Speaker 1: and so whenever I see that, it doesn't sit well

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Speaker 1: with me. So were you, Jay stud just asking the question?

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Speaker 1: What is the experience like? As such an ardent Dodger

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Speaker 3: George Springer's on a short list of cheaters from the

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen World Series that cost my Dodgers a World championship.

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Speaker 3: I think the Yankee fans are even more pissed off

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Speaker 3: Bregman I saw last night and it was listed in

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Speaker 3: always give, like, you know, seven time MVP, he said,

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Speaker 3: twenty two postseason home runs, third all time, the MVP

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Speaker 3: think They included that in the graphic as an accolade,

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Speaker 3: when I think it's an albatross. And for those that

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Speaker 3: albatross is something that you should be burdened by for

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Speaker 3: the rest of your life. You were the best cheater

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Speaker 3: on a team that admitted to cheating to win the

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Speaker 3: World Series. I will never root for him. I'm glad

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Speaker 3: we're playing him because I want to see us get

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Speaker 3: him out. But yeah, he's on that short list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting experience, and I actually do like

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Speaker 1: the more you describe it to me, the more I

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Speaker 1: understand like they should carry a Scarlett letter. The issue

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Speaker 1: with it for me is, I mean, unless I'm mistaken less,

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Speaker 1: there's something all last night's achievement was based upon his

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Speaker 1: own personal skill he didn't have. He didn't know what

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Speaker 1: you've done it once and the players were never punished,

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Speaker 1: what's to stop you from doing it again? But I

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Speaker 1: so listing his past accomplishment, I get it. But rooting

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Speaker 1: again against some current day I think you're rooting against

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Speaker 1: how people have let these guys slide more than rooting

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Speaker 3: He said, twenty three home runs in the postseason. I

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Speaker 3: think that's third all the time. You guys can fact

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Speaker 3: check me. Twenty three home runs in postseason. The problem

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Speaker 3: with the cheating scandal is that all of those home

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Speaker 3: he's a chest.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's fair, Go ahead, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think maybe the

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Speaker 2: tide has turned because we all saw that viral video

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Speaker 2: eight was just verbally assaulted by a fan at Dodger Stadium.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think that that was maybe the turning point

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Speaker 2: in all of this, just verbally berated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so silver people, silver people who are are new

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Speaker 1: this the sound there? This was there was one such

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Speaker 1: know he did, Dan? He made howse L two a

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Speaker 2: I think this is where the tide turn. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if Jason agrees, but when I heard this clip

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's what that fans say, Jason, there's twenty seven

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Speaker 1: ways in which you cheated there.

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Speaker 3: Are He's number twenty seven out and that the fan

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Speaker 3: made of I think one of the most original Booze

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Speaker 3: and jeer. I don't think of two has ever heard

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Speaker 3: this year that twenty seven on the back of your

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Speaker 3: back stands for the number of pitches you knew were

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Speaker 3: cutting in the twenty seventeen postseason.

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Speaker 1: That's funny, This is funny. You're funny.

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Speaker 2: I will say this to Jason's point that even if

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Speaker 2: the Astros were significantly punished or the players were significantly

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Speaker 2: punished for their roles in it, it's still a scarlet

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Speaker 2: letter that and dug to your point about it, but

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Speaker 2: even if they were to do their time, if you will,

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Speaker 2: that it would be still a part of their career.

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Speaker 2: Like a Rod had his suspensions and it's still a

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Speaker 2: part of his career with the steroid. But but it's not.

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Speaker 1: But it's not this is this is where, this is

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Speaker 2: I don't think that we look at a Rods. Let me,

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Speaker 2: let me just make make my point before you say it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's It makes it doubly worse that not only

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Speaker 2: is their life after death that the players didn't even

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Speaker 2: feel a death. Is that fair?

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Speaker 3: Jason correct, No, that thing that maybe that was the

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Speaker 3: biggest indictment on the whole thing. They gave the players

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Speaker 1: Good to catch up with your own. Thanks so much

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Speaker 7: Like?

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Speaker 1: What is in the chronological was it in terms of

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Speaker 1: There's always this thing with Lebron where when he comes

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Speaker 7: I mean, so in in free agency, the Lakers, but

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Speaker 1: that's out and it's the Lakers. It's about the Lakers

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Speaker 7: So the reporter to the reality is they all are

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Speaker 7: come speak to the group because they bring in the

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Speaker 7: famous people that do that, and Lebron walks out. He

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Speaker 7: doesn't want to be there. He ends up being pulled

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Speaker 7: back in by Darwin Ham and then what Wilfay has

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Speaker 7: done and Lebron asks a million questions as it's happening.

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Speaker 7: Westbrooki is growing curious just watching it, and later say

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Speaker 7: so a teammate I hate that takes stuff. I can't

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Speaker 7: stand it. Right. And there's a picture you could get

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Speaker 7: a picture of the Lakers posted the team picture that

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Speaker 7: day of Westbrook of the whole team with Will Smith,

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Speaker 7: and you can see Westbrook's coowling. They're just angry and

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Speaker 7: he's right. The part I found fascinating. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm in my mentions yesterday and I'm looking because I'm vain.

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Speaker 7: Obviously I try all I mentioned, and most of the

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Speaker 7: most of the commentary is like, yeah, team Ross, go

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Speaker 7: get him Lebronz of phony, Team Ross, and you can.

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Speaker 7: I have no issue with that, And there's plenty of

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Speaker 7: examples like that. The thing that's wild is the Westbrook

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Speaker 7: Lakers partnership did not fail because Lebron's a phony. It

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Speaker 7: failed because Russ played awfully. It was a horrible fit

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Speaker 7: and and showed no willingness to even attempt to adapt, right.

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Speaker 7: And it's just to me, it's telling that, for whatever

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Speaker 7: reason is this lebron a lot of fans don't not

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Speaker 7: only do they not connect with him, but they're bothered

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Speaker 7: by him, and it's hard to fully explain why. And

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Speaker 7: that to me, it was just interesting seeing that yesterday

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Speaker 7: that like.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, no, Jeron, here's what we've We've talked about

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Speaker 1: this a lot on the show. And Jason, who's lived

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles whole life, right, I grew up in

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Speaker 1: southern California. So my feeling towards Lebron and how Lakers

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Speaker 1: fancy one, it's hard because he wasn't always arrival, was

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Speaker 1: really a rival to Kobe okay, but he was a

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Speaker 1: star that took up attention from Kobe, and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: Laker fans view him as a kind of arrival and

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Speaker 1: now we got to cheer from. It's a lot like

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Speaker 1: when the Chargers came to town and they're playing in Carson, Like,

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Speaker 1: wait a second, Carson is Raider territory and now the

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Speaker 1: rivals like our home team. That doesn't make sense. That's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of it. And I've just always felt

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the other things he's done, he

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Speaker 1: was It was one of his first couple of years

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Speaker 1: with the Lakers. You know, he get hurt, then he

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Speaker 1: had the wine. Nobody does that when he's on the bench.

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Speaker 1: There was the time when they had the All Star

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Speaker 1: Game in Cleveland and he openly talked about going back

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Speaker 1: to Cleveland. To end his careers like you're a Laker,

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Speaker 1: you don't do No one doesn't want to end their

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Speaker 1: career with the Lakers. And so here's how we worded it.

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Speaker 1: He plays for the Lakers. It's gonna be the what

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Speaker 1: the second longest tenure because the combined tenures of Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: But no one who's a true Laker fan views him

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Speaker 1: as a Laker. He's simply a guy who played for

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Speaker 1: the Lakers. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 7: You know it's not. I completely agree. And by the

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Speaker 7: way we in the book, I write about the Kobe

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Speaker 7: Lebron's economy like that there was always It's not only

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Speaker 7: that he was a challenger. They approached they approached everything

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Speaker 7: completely differently. So Kobe, Kobe wasn't leaking, and Kobe didn't

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Speaker 7: understand Lebron like that, Like Kobe wouldn't link up with

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Speaker 7: friends Lebron. Does you know Kobe was all enemies Lebron's buddies,

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Speaker 7: guys on their teams. Lebron has interest outside of basketball,

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Speaker 7: doesn't mean he takes basketball. You know, you can't do

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Speaker 7: what he's done for longevity and not take a seriously.

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Speaker 7: But Kobe was all about basketball. Even the approach on

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Speaker 7: the court, like you know, Kobe will shoot over three guys.

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Speaker 7: Lebron passed the open guy, right And even with a

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Speaker 7: Nike I read about this, they kind of they there

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Speaker 7: was different wings, right, like if they hung out with

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Speaker 7: different people, were operated by different people. So one hundred

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Speaker 7: percent you saw that when Lebron came and Lakers fans

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Speaker 7: are defacing murals. It's just so interesting and weird. And

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Speaker 7: the part that what Lebron was robbed of the fact

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Speaker 7: that the twenty twenty title happened in the bubble without fans,

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Speaker 7: and then there's no parade that would change everything because

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Speaker 7: that's an emotional connection point that could form things and

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Speaker 7: that that did not exist, and that's just and that's

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Speaker 7: where you're right, right, So the fact that his high

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Speaker 7: point of the franchise happened literally in a bubble, it

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Speaker 7: changes history on that and I do, yeah, it'd be

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Speaker 7: interesting sliding doors moment if it was like if that's

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Speaker 7: if he wins the title in front of fans and

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Speaker 7: it's a parade, and I wonder if things are different.

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Speaker 1: After best guess is this Lebron's last year?

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Speaker 7: So my answer is to this, I don't know, but

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Speaker 7: I genuinely don't think he knows, right. I think that's

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Speaker 7: what we're kind of seeing now, where he's trying to

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Speaker 7: figure out what he wants to do next. We've seen

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Speaker 7: him with the contract stuff, and he's clearly not happy

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Speaker 7: that he's not on an expiring contract, and I feel

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Speaker 7: like he feels a little boxed in because he's going

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Speaker 7: to want to do a farewell tour, but he's not

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Speaker 7: going to do it for some random team, and he

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Speaker 7: wants to get paid right. He's big on I don't

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Speaker 7: take pay cuts anymore. I think hes he represents the

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Speaker 7: player for us like that. So if this comes down

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Speaker 7: to the Lakers and Cavs, those are, to me are

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Speaker 7: the only two teams I could see him playing for.

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Speaker 7: And I genuinely I thought, honestly, I had not just

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Speaker 7: the book coming out, and it would have been good

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Speaker 7: for me. I think, like I thought this was going

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Speaker 7: to be it. I really did, but I also assumed

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Speaker 7: that I could be wrong. I always assumed that he

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Speaker 7: would announce his final season before the season started, right

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Speaker 7: like they would just be a giant's farewell tour like that,

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Speaker 7: And the fact that he hasn't done that yet makes

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Speaker 7: me think we're getting another year at least, but I yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's fine. I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The book is called a Hollywood Ending the Dreams and

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Speaker 1: Drama of the Lebron Lakers. Your own Weizman is the author. Heye,

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Speaker 1: of course audio books as well. Your own great stuff. Man.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about it. Can't wait to read it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being our guest.

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Speaker 7: Thanks dog, I appreciate you. Good talking.

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Speaker 6: Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we

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Speaker 6: didn't get to on Monday. This is Tuesday morning Quarterback

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Speaker 6: in the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Who don't wanna go out back in the afternoon? You know, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a first crack at this thing

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Speaker 1: because I know how like you just you're watching all

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Speaker 1: this game Sunday, you know you can only talk about

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Speaker 1: so many Then Monday we get to the leads, whatever

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Speaker 1: there's you have so much that ends up on the

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Speaker 1: cutting room floor. What's the one story that you most

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Speaker 1: think we have missed collectively as national media and you

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Speaker 1: want to get to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's categorized as that, but

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Speaker 2: I do think that it needs to be talked about

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Speaker 2: because we look at the worst teams in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: as the Jets because they're zero to seven, or the

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Speaker 2: Titans because they're one and six and fired their head coach.

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Speaker 2: Something happened on Sunday as I was watching the early

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Speaker 2: window of games and saw that the Raiders in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter had just three first downs against the Kansas

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Speaker 2: City Chiefs in their game, and I just thought, my goodness,

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Speaker 2: that is absurd. Kansas City dominated that game. I saw

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Speaker 2: clip yesterday of Gardner Minshew, Chiefs backup quarterback taking a

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Speaker 2: knee with two and a half minutes left in that contest?

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Speaker 2: Why why rub it in even more? For Andy Reid

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Speaker 2: and then Doug Last night when I was doing my

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Speaker 2: I Want Your Flex podcast. I went I looked at

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Speaker 2: the team stats in that game just for a second

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Speaker 2: and saw, wait a second, the Raiders ended up with

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Speaker 2: only three first downs in that game against Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Gino Smith had sixty seven yards passing in that game.

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Speaker 2: They held the ball for a whopping seventeen minutes and

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Speaker 2: fifty two seconds, completely outclassed by the Chiefs. But the

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Speaker 2: amazing thing is is, I think the Raiders are one

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Speaker 2: of the three worst teams in the National Football League,

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Speaker 2: and we just aren't talking about them because of how

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Speaker 2: bad the Jets have been and the Titans firing their coach,

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Speaker 2: And maybe we're clouded by a Week one win against

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, which I think we now look back and say,

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Speaker 2: how in the world did that happen? But the Pete

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Speaker 2: Carroll era to try to turn things around is not happening.

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Speaker 2: There is no ground game with Chip Kelly as their

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Speaker 2: Raiders has the game passed Pete Carroll and everybody by like,

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Speaker 2: this is not the start you would want if you're

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Speaker 2: a Silver and Black fan, and they do not have

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Speaker 3: Besides that, though, how was the show.

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Speaker 2: Third west worst point differential in the National Football League?

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Speaker 1: The Raiders commitment to excrement, the raid, the commitment to

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Speaker 1: extra true, Jay Stou, I think that there is a

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, where's your signature line?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, so hold on, hold on, allow me to

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Speaker 3: explain to the listener the evolution of my line. The

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Speaker 3: evolution of my line entails one thing. It entails a

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Speaker 3: fairly lengthy introduction from Doug. So when Doug starts to

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Speaker 3: introduce me, I cut him off. But Doug, knowing that

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Speaker 3: I have an introductory line, goes to me very fast

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Speaker 3: with these the least amount of words for me to

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Speaker 3: cut him off on. So now the fund's over. There's

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Speaker 3: no more fun. So I'm just gonna go along with

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Speaker 3: my Tuesday morning quarterback topic.

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Speaker 1: Doug.

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Speaker 6: I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I had to. Okay, anybody who Choseuon Barkley in

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Speaker 3: the top five or six picks of their fantasy draft

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Speaker 3: knows exactly where I'm coming from. Saquon Barkley was a

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Speaker 3: player that probably won you your fantasy league last season.

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Speaker 3: Remember he was I think like a second round pick.

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Speaker 3: Joel Shane chose to let him go to the Eagles

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Speaker 3: and all that and became the offensive player of the

645
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Speaker 3: Year and everything else. The stats this year through seven

646
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Speaker 3: weeks are astounding. And we're talking about, if you want

647
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Speaker 3: to give it contrast, we're talking about a year where

648
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Speaker 3: the familiar running good seasons. Running back, Yeah, Christian McCaffery.

649
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Speaker 3: We just saw Jamar Gibbs last night. Last night was awesome,

650
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Speaker 3: James Cook, Jean Robinson, dependable, and then you throw in

651
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Speaker 3: randoms like Rico Dowdell and Javonte Williams.

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Speaker 1: What's the running back? Did you say Swift? I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: With the Bears, he had like one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: seven yards rushing.

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Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift is another. Yeah, But for whatever reason, Saquon

656
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Speaker 3: Barkley is not has not joined that collection of running

657
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Speaker 3: backs having amazing seasons. You could put the I guess

658
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: the blame of Kevin Patullo. He's the new offensive coordinator

659
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Speaker 3: for the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Now listen, hold on. I'm I'm I hated interrup but

661
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna interrupt. Hold on, hold on, do you remember

662
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Speaker 1: the discussion everyone had We had a little different discussion

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Speaker 1: on the running backs, and at the end of the

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Speaker 1: year last year like, well, clearly the owners were wrong

665
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Speaker 1: and these guys are worth it. And my whole point

666
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Speaker 1: was the argument wasn't over paying guys for a year.

667
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Speaker 1: It wasn't really overpaying guys for two years. It was

668
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Speaker 1: how much you would pay them and for how long.

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Speaker 1: The fight for Saquon Barkley was over a second and

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Speaker 1: a third year guaranteed at what amount? And the Eagles

671
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: redid his deal in the offseason, and now here we

672
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Speaker 1: are in the second year of what would have been

673
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Speaker 1: a three year deal and he's fallen off. That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to be really consistent once you get

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Speaker 1: into your late twenties in the NFL. Sorry go ahead, Jameson.

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Speaker 3: But I would say that the old cliche of the

677
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: squeaky wheel gave the oil yep, so much real estate,

678
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Speaker 3: so much oxygen has been taken up over A J.

679
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Speaker 3: Brown and his complaints. How do we get aj involved?

680
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Speaker 3: And Saquan has been silent the entire time. He's been

681
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: a supportive, good teammate. He's the one after games that

682
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: talks about winning is all that matters, and just to

683
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Speaker 3: give the listener just kind of a look see of

684
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Speaker 3: how bad has it been. Of the twenty four running

685
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Speaker 3: backs who have at least seventy five carries this season,

686
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Speaker 3: Barkley ranks dead last three point three yards of carry.

687
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Speaker 3: Barkley averaged five point eight yards of carry just a

688
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: year ago. Last year he ran for one hundred and

689
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Speaker 3: twenty five yards a game. This year fifty two. So

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Speaker 3: if there is an indictment on this offense, I know

691
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: AJ Brown gets a lot of the oxygen. Kevin Patula

692
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Speaker 3: needs to find a way to get Saquon Barkley loose,

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Speaker 3: because I would disagree with Doug on this. It's only

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Speaker 3: been a year. I don't think that there's been a

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Speaker 3: massive degrading of talent or speed in just a year.

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Speaker 3: Something's going on in this offense that isn't just AJ

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Speaker 3: Brown Oriental, that is correct.

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Speaker 2: Their offensive line is banged up, played without Cam Jurgens

699
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: their center. There's also the Jalen Hurts question as well.

700
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Speaker 2: And if I'm a defense and I'm trying to key

701
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Speaker 2: on some thing, I'm keying on Saquon Barkley. Also from

702
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Speaker 2: a fantasy football perspective, which I think we all have

703
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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts also will take away carry's at the goal line.

704
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Speaker 2: So if Saquon isn't breaking away for eighteen and twenty

705
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Speaker 2: and fifty yard touchdown runs like he did last season,

706
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Speaker 2: then he's not going to be as effective in the

707
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Speaker 2: stat column or for your fantasy team. And he also

708
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Speaker 2: hasn't been that effective as a receiver out of the backfield.

709
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Speaker 2: So it's been a variety of things that have caused

710
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Speaker 2: to decline the Saquon Barkley Then I don't even think

711
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Speaker 2: that we can necessarily pin on him as being the reason.

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Speaker 8: Sam Well, I just wanted to add on that the

713
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Speaker 8: buzzards of the NFL media have moved on from the

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Speaker 8: passing game of the Eagles to the running game of

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Speaker 8: the Eagles, and every week there's some kind of issue

716
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Speaker 8: and whether they win or lose. But now I understand

717
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Speaker 8: what you guys are saying. Their offense is dysfunctional, and

718
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Speaker 8: so it's one week, it's something works one week or

719
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Speaker 8: all the weeks. I guess the running game in Saquon

720
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Speaker 8: Barkley don't work. I rolled these drops in. Can I

721
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Speaker 8: just say something because I think that's an interesting point.

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Speaker 8: Is we sit there and we complain about your whole deal.

723
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Speaker 8: At Jason's point of AJ Brown's taking up so much

724
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Speaker 8: error in the room and Jalen Hurts and how we

725
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Speaker 8: look at him as a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Is he a top five quarterback? Like they won the

727
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl because of Saquon, Like that's the reason why

728
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: in their offensive line. But last week against Minnesota, guess what,

729
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Speaker 2: both DeVante Smith and AJ Brown over one hundred yards.

730
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Speaker 2: Huge games, and you would think that everything is solved.

731
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Speaker 2: But to Jason's point, it's not solved. And now we're

732
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Speaker 2: distracted because guess what, Brandon Graham's coming out of retirement.

733
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Speaker 2: So when we're talking about the Eagles, it feels like

734
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Speaker 2: we're grabbing all of the wrong points and it should

735
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Speaker 2: just be like, get Saquon on track, get your offensive

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Speaker 2: line healthy, and then maybe you could try to repeat sorry, Sam, go.

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Speaker 1: Ahead, go ahead, Sammy, Jef some else.

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Speaker 8: No, I had my own thing, but no, it's I mean, yeah, well,

739
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Speaker 8: just a pivot here. I rolled these drops in after

740
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Speaker 8: the Indiana fever really pushed the Las Vegas Aces, who

741
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Speaker 8: eventually won the WNB Championship, pushed them to overtime in

742
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Speaker 8: Game five of the semi finals. I rolled these drops

743
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Speaker 8: in because the Indian NA fear would just not go away.

744
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Speaker 8: These are from a couple of my favorite movies, Batman

745
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Speaker 8: Forever and Austin Powers.

746
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Speaker 2: Too, Why to Die?

747
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Speaker 6: Why won't You Die? Now?

748
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Speaker 8: I'm not wishing violence on anyone here, This is just figurative,

749
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Speaker 8: a fun little exercise here. The New England Patriots dominated

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Speaker 8: the NFL for twenty years and to quote two face,

751
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Speaker 8: why won't you go away?

752
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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 8: The I often think that the gods, the cosmos of

754
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 8: of sports, the gods of deciding who wins and who

755
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 8: loses and who has long you know, dynasties, that that

756
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 8: Lord works in mysterious ways. I don't understand it, because

757
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 8: the Patriots dominated the NFL for twenty years, and they

758
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 8: were only really down for three seasons, and now they're

759
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 8: back with a head coach who has that twenty year

760
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 8: run DNA woven into his entire structure of how he

761
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 8: does things. And now it looks like the Patriots are back. Okay,

762
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Speaker 8: if you have it, twenty years of dominating and winning

763
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Speaker 8: what six Super Bowl titles? A lot of fans, especially

764
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Speaker 8: fans of of really downtrodden organizations like the Browns or

765
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 8: the Bills, they say, well, why not us, It's our time.

766
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Speaker 8: And now it looks like the Bill's window is closing

767
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Speaker 8: because the Patriots are back. They're back on top in

768
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Speaker 8: the AFC East, and you just have to wonder why

769
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Speaker 8: is it. It's because of good ownership. As long as

770
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Speaker 8: Robert Kraft is around, it seems like the Patriots are

771
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Speaker 8: going to be competitive.

772
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Speaker 1: But you're really you're giving, you're giving craft.

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Speaker 8: I think I think ownership matters a lot. We were

774
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 8: talked about the Eagles. Jeffrey Lourie, I think is one

775
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 8: of the best owners in sports. I think if your

776
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 8: your your owners are really invested and they're really you know,

777
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Speaker 8: connected with the team, that they're going to find reasons

778
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Speaker 8: and ways to get your team back on top.

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Speaker 1: And I'm help you out here. Sure owners should just

780
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: need to hire good people.

781
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Speaker 2: Well but yeah, that's not but that that's hard, Okay,

782
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: Like like.

783
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Speaker 1: Craft doesn't have anything to do with football, and you know,

784
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Speaker 1: they hired a guy who was completely an app last

785
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Speaker 1: year and you know, with the same quarterback they they

786
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: they managed to kind of figure it out that.

787
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Speaker 2: Though, you know, I will say the way the Craft

788
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: is massaged their down years though is really that impressive,

789
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: very impressive.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's been an adult about those massages. Yes.

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Speaker 8: So the Patriots, I mean, we don't know if they're

792
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 8: going to go on and win the Super Bowl or what.

793
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 8: What Mike Rabel's coaching ten year is going to look

794
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 8: like in you know, five seven.

795
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Speaker 1: Years their quarterback and there they go, they're good.

796
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Speaker 8: They got a dude, and you know, you just you're like,

797
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Speaker 8: you know, I Will won two Rose Bulls in nineteen

798
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 8: fifties and then they had twenty years of darkness.

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Speaker 2: That's the suffering I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: And it's not fair.

801
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 8: It's not fair that the Patriots are back on top.

802
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: I think it's a great point.

803
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 8: Good morning, Hawaii, it's ten to fifteen in the morning.

804
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 8: I'll say this.

805
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Speaker 2: I actually think that they remind me of when the

806
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: Yankees when Aaron Judge was a rookie and you're like, oh,

807
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: well that could this be a likable Yankees team and

808
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: then like that got over with really quick. I think

809
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: that this is a likable Patriots team, but if they

810
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: continue to win, that'll probably end up ending pretty quickly.

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Speaker 7: Why Won't You Die?

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Speaker 1: I love that movie, Sam. Do you know how much

813
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: I like the Austin Powers movies.

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Speaker 8: And not sure I've gathered you do like him because

815
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Speaker 8: I played you know, his drops pretty frequently and you

816
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 8: seem to respond. So we talked about Austin Powers the

817
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 8: franchise quite a bit on this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna there's two quarterbacks and they played last night

819
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Speaker 1: and it was a super super ugly game. But I

820
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: don't want to lose sight of of two things. The Texans,

821
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of stuff work. You know, you have

822
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Speaker 1: a coach who a couple of years ago, I felt like, man,

823
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Speaker 1: they found their co they found their guy, like he's

824
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: their rable, played their linebacker really good, came from San Francisco,

825
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: immediately made the playoffs. And then you have this quarterback

826
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Speaker 1: in CJ. Stroud, who great year at Ohio State. But

827
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Speaker 1: there's some people myself include, like is he that good

828
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: or is it they're just so much better than everybody

829
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Speaker 1: they're playing. He was just okay last year and he

830
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: was probably below average last night. Then they got Nick Chubb,

831
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Speaker 1: who's like, at twenty nine, I don't know if he's

832
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: rushed for more than seventy yards in the game. He

833
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: hasn't broken one hundred in the game. So it's like

834
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Speaker 1: all these three things happening, where sophomore is slump from

835
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Speaker 1: Stroud is kind of seemingly extended a little bit. There's

836
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: just not the same something from the coaching staff. And

837
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: then you know you're built around this running game and

838
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb and Nick Chubb is the shell of his

839
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: former self. I know the Texans being mid maybe hasn't

840
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: discussed enough. And then the other side, look again, it

841
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: was an ugly football game, ugly ugly. But Sam Donald's

842
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: team is five and two, and for a guy that

843
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: has been written off much like his predecessor in Seattle,

844
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: he hadn't written back then, right back. Everyone knows that

845
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: me and uh Daniel Jeremiah and to a slightly lesser extent,

846
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: cow heard huge. Sam Donald fans huge, still holding stock

847
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: and he's not the star that his stats said he

848
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: was last year. But he's definitely not a bum, definitely

849
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Speaker 1: not a bust. And I think he's plenty good enough

850
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: to get that team to the playoffs. And do you disagree?

851
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: I think there'll be a playoff team. I just thought

852
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: there were Sam Donald moments that happened in last night's game.

853
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: They do happen a lot worried about.

854
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do happen there. It is a real thing,

855
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: and you're you're, you're right to say it. I think

856
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: he's a better version of what he used to be,

857
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: but he still does regress on some of them. That

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Speaker 1: is Tuesday Morning Quarterback