1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Imagine leaving your husband and children to suffer the unthinkable, 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: to believe mommy has been kidnapped, possibly even dead, and 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 2: to let that suffering go on for weeks. Well, that 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: is exactly what kidnapp fraudster Sherry Peppini did when she 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: pretended to have been kidnapped while taking a jog, leaving 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: her entire family, including children, husband, extended relatives to suffer, 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: only to find out she was hold up at her 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: boyfriend's house the whole time, then coming up with a 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: big lie, blaming two Hispanic women for the kidnap, even 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: starving herself, losing tens and tens of pounds bruises she 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: put on her face and body, even believe it or not, 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: branding herself. She branded her own skin as if the 14 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: quote kidnappers did it. 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it goes on and on. But that said, now. 16 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: She's back in court again, demanding thirty thousand dollars. You 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: heard me right, kidnapped fraudster shehery Peppinie in court, poor mouthing, 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: demanding thirty thousand dollars. You know what she owes everybody, 19 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars for the pain and suffering she put 20 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: everybody through, much less the fact that she took away 21 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: time from real crime victims for herself centered Let me 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: just say, Lark, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Why is Sherry Peppinie 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: in court whining she wants thirty grand because she's in 25 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: a custody battle against her ex husband g who should 26 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: have custody the loving father that supported the family or 27 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: the mom that freaked everybody up she had been kidnapped. 28 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: She's in court actually demanding he pay her thirty thousand 29 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: dollars in legal fees. 30 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: And the whole time she's. 31 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: Living in a luxurious for bedroom home owned by her 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: new boyfriend. Wow does he not have the Internet? Whatever 33 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: she claims, she only makes one thousand dollars a month 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: from a job and living with the boyfriend. 35 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: You heard me right. 36 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: California's Sherry Peppini faked her own kidnap and it was 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: kind of a gone girl style plot, and now she's 38 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: chasing down the husband she hoodwinked for lack of the 39 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: better term, she faked out for thirty grand to cover 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: legal fees and for the cost of a custody fight 41 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: she started. Now keep in mind all this is while 42 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: she's living a luxury life, the entire thing bankrolled by 43 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: her big bucks new lover. Now, Peppini was jailed back 44 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two over the plot. The plot she 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: cooked up where she vanished and I'm saying that with 46 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: big air quotes for three weeks. Then she lied to 47 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: police and to her husband about the fake kidnapping. Okay, 48 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: instead the whole time she was shacked up with an 49 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: ex boyfriend. 50 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: Now now she's living. 51 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: In a nearly million dollar mansion paid for by her boyfriend. 52 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: Who is he? 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: He is a widowed car dealer from Orland, California. And ps, 54 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: she's driving a brand new Jeep SUV. Wonder where that 55 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: came from. Let's just say she doesn't have any car payments. 56 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: But let me take you back to the time of 57 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: the kidnap. Well, I can't even see kidnap, of the fakery, 58 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: what happened? Let me just jog your memory because guess 59 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: what we have today for your viewing and listening pleasure. 60 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: Videotapes of Peppini sticking to her lies. She is in 61 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: interrogation after interrogation after interrogation. 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: I just can't stop looking at the lies. 63 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: This woman just comes from her mouth and she fully 64 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: expects everybody to believe her. But this is where it 65 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: all started. Take a listener. Our friends karc R. 66 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: Keith Pappini came home last Wednesday and his wife, Sherry Pappini, 67 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: was nowhere to be found. 68 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 4: In normal days, I would open the door and my 69 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 4: families comes and runs and gives me a hug. 70 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: But there were no welcoming hugs. So he searched in 71 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: the house and their property, but learned the children were 72 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: still at daycare. He found Sherry's phone down the street. 73 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 4: That's when I knew she had been, in my opinion, 74 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 4: taken or abducted. 75 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: Now days later, family, friends, the community, and law enforcement 76 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: are still looking for Sherry. 77 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 4: It's the worst thing in the world. It's the worst 78 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: thing ever. 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: Time going by slowly and their children don't know their 80 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: mother is missing. 81 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: It's hard waiting. 82 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: You know, you're waiting. You're waiting for a phone call, 83 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 4: You're waiting for something to tell us you know, this 84 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: is the direction, or this is the house, or this 85 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 4: is the car, and that is that is very difficult 86 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: right now, but. 87 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: Keith is determined to find her. 88 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: If she was listening, I wanted to say that we're 89 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: trying the best we can, and I'm so sorry that 90 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 4: I'm not there. 91 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: The family believes she was abducted and has this message. 92 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 5: Bring her home, bring her home? 93 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Does bring her home? 94 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: Okay? I almost made a smart alic crack about waiting, waiting, waiting, 95 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: waiting for what you're lying wife to call him and say, oh, honey, 96 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: I fed up, But then I heard his voice crack, 97 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: and it reminded me of all the suffering that he 98 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: and his children and all Papini's family went through. 99 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 1: Daring your her hoax. 100 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to introduce a whole panel, but let 101 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: me go first to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor Forrensis Jacksonville 102 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. He's 103 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: a star of a brand new hit series called body 104 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart and Elsewhere. It's great, 105 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: Joe Scott, I remember, at the beginning, the very beginning, 106 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: when Pepini went missing, you and I talked and I said, 107 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: you know something that's really bothering me about this whole thing. 108 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: About the kidnap thing. 109 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Is that her phone was placed carefully on the ground. 110 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: It was placed somewhere where it would be found, and 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: it wasn't just thrown into the brush. And not only that, 112 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: the earbuds were attached with a wire and they were 113 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: wrapped very neatly around the phone and then play there. 114 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, that one detail that doesn't 115 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: fit And I'm telling you, one detail can break a case. 116 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 6: Joe Scott can and a neat little feature that was 117 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 6: involved with this were a few strands for hair that 118 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 6: were caught up in that. And I look at this 119 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 6: now retrospectively, and I wonder, you know what, I wonder 120 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 6: if this was planned as well? 121 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 5: You rip some hair out of there. Yeah, you're pulling 122 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 5: your own hair out, and. 123 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 6: You're gonna wad it up in there too, neatly place 124 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 6: it out side of the road, because they use that 125 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 6: where's my iPhone out? 126 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: I didn't even think of that Jack pulling her hair 127 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: out in addition to branding herself and breaking her own nose. Okay, 128 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: I'd love to gab with you, but let's move forward 129 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: and take a listen to Alice and sudden this. 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: Is the woman that sees BUTPEDI by the side of 131 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: the road. 132 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 7: I saw her very very quickly. Her face looked I 133 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 7: thought her face was dirty, but based on what I 134 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 7: know now, I'm guessing that what I thought was dirt 135 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 7: on her face was the bruises restraints. It was so dark, 136 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 7: I barely barely saw her. And like I said, it 137 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 7: was a flash because that area is so dark. 138 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: Four thirty in the morning, Peppini is out wandering the streets, 139 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: covered in bruises and still in restraints. So just add 140 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: that to the listings restrained herself. 141 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Now it keeps going. Listen to our friends at GMA. 142 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 8: Puppini seemingly disappeared in November of twenty sixteen, reappearing three 143 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 8: weeks later badly injured, claiming she was abducted by two 144 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 8: Hispanic women and physically and emotionally tortured, beaten, and drugged. 145 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 8: Her husband Keith, speaking exclusively to ABC News just days 146 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 8: after they were reunited at the hospital. 147 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 4: Well, the officers kind of like braced me and kind 148 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: of put his arm around me, and he said, you know, 149 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: prepare yourself. She's alive and you just got to be happy. 150 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: And they branded her and in her poor face got 151 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: like nauseat and just looking at her, it's so hard 152 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 4: for me to see her like they had And bruises 153 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: were just intends, the bumps from you know, being hitting, 154 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: kicked in whatever else you. 155 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: Know, do Doctor Angela Arnold, we're making light of it 156 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: because we know Sherry the pain. He's a big liar 157 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: and she costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to law enforcement. 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: But did you hear the husband? And what about the children? 159 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: They're going to remember the rest of their lives. Mommy 160 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: went missing and she. 161 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Faked the whole thing. 162 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 9: Well, and I think, how can you do that to 163 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 9: your children? And I think the sad thing too, is Nancy, 164 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 9: what are they ever going to believe? What are they 165 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 9: ever going to be able to believe in their lives? 166 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 10: Again? 167 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 9: She has left them all with this hole inside of 168 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 9: them that they're not going to be able to believe. 169 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 9: She is cridwolf. They're not going to be able to 170 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 9: believe as someone is telling the truth. 171 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: Hey, doctor an Doughter, Angie, you've got to hear her 172 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: words from the horse's mouth. Doctor Angela Arnold with me, 173 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: renowned psychiatrist out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold md dot com. Guys, 174 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,239 Speaker 2: take a listen to Sherry Peppini, so call super Mom 175 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: describing the chain the two Hispanic women. Remember, guys, they 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: didn't exist. She nearly got women arrested. They kind of 177 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: fit her fate composite, the imaginary Hispanic women placed imaginary 178 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: chains around her waist, and she says this with his 179 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: straight face. 180 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: Listen, these are our friends at ABC. 181 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: There was a chain around my waist. Do you know 182 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: what what you were affixed to? Was it tether? Was 183 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 5: it like a robe? A metal cable? About the bathroom? Teleclay? 184 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 5: It just was a standard. 185 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 11: There was a crack in the tile. 186 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 5: It was a light colored tile that was speckled. There 187 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 5: was a crack in the tile. 188 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Sherry Peppini just cannot stay 189 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: out of the headlines, and not in a good way. 190 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: Despite her extremely silverspoon privileged lifestyle. She has now gone 191 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: into court and planed poverty and trying to force her 192 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: ex husband, you know, the one she faked out, the 193 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: one who was crying and upset on TV begging for 194 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: her return. That guy to cough up thirty grand to 195 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: pay for her share of a legal fight for custody, 196 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: a fight that she started. Now, remember Puppini convicted back 197 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two for faking the whole thing. 198 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: What more does her husband have to endure? Now? 199 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: The husband, Keith Pappenie, is vehemently opposed to giving Sherry Pepini, 200 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: his ex any more access to their children. 201 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: He wants her to see a shrink. 202 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: Do you blame him and undergo a psychological evaluation and 203 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: be barred from seeing the children unsupervised? Now, I gotta 204 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: tell you this is conjuring up images of Josh Powell. Okay, 205 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: Josh Powell. I don't know if that's ringing a bell 206 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 2: to you. Josh Powell, I'm convinced murdered his wife. He 207 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: murdered the mother of his two little boys. His wife, 208 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: Susan Powell, a wonderful lady. 209 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: She went missing in. 210 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: The middle of the night with some bogus story by 211 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:56,359 Speaker 2: Josh Powell that they went camping in sub zero temperatures 212 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: with their little boys in toe. 213 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: Okay, that and happen She's dead. 214 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: And when friendsic Specialists asked the little boys what happened, 215 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: they drew pictures of mommy in the car trunk and 216 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: then they said, mommy's in the crystal minds. In other words, 217 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: their dad killed her and upped her body. That's what 218 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: that means. Anyway, back to Peppini in the Josh Powell case, 219 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: he was supposed to have supervised visitation with the boys. 220 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: What happened? 221 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: The ding Dong defects worker takes the boys to his 222 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: front door. He snatches them inside, then he kills them 223 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: both with an axe and blows up the house. Thanks 224 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: de Facts, you score it again in this case here 225 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: with Sherry Peppini, she needs a psychological evaluation to make 226 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: sure that she can take care of those children, and 227 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: she should never never see them unsupervised after what she did. 228 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: She treaked the whole country, Cops, all sorts of law enforcement, 229 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 2: her family, her husband, all for attention. Oh hln, No, 230 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: she is not having unsupervised visitation. But let me jog 231 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: your memory again about what happened when Sherry Peppeni quote 232 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: went missing end quote. 233 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: Wendy, thanks for making time to be with us. 234 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: You know, I always look for stories if I'm deciding 235 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: about credibility of a witness, and I have directed and 236 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: cross examined over ten thousand witnesses in one way or another, 237 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: whether it's a motion to suppress, whether it's some other 238 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: sort of preliminary motion, whether it's a witness trial. It 239 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: goes on and on. You know, they really rack up 240 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 2: Wendy when you're trying cases. But long story short, I 241 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: look for richness in detail. Like if some if Jackie 242 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: were telling me, oh, I'm going to be late to 243 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: the studio today, I'm like, why long pause? 244 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: Car problems? What kind of problem? Flat? Where are you? 245 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Big long pause? Are Mike? Wait? Weren't you taking an 246 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: ober this week? Bigger pause? 247 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: So if you question and you're looking for detail, it's 248 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: not that hard to crack a story. And this woman 249 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: is full of details, right down to the crack and 250 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: the tile. 251 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 12: And you know, Nancy, that really was what broke the 252 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 12: story for investigators is there was so much details. There 253 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 12: was an overabundance of dramatic detail that actually ended up 254 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 12: being suspicious. It wasn't an issue of pausing. It was 255 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 12: almost an issue of having precreated this, hope, this story 256 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 12: that was just a little too fantastic. And as you mentioned, 257 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 12: investigators no not only what to look for, what to 258 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 12: ask about, but then how to compare the way a 259 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 12: story changes and all of those details made her recitation 260 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 12: suspicious right from the beginning. 261 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: I never have a problem with the witness adding to 262 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: the story because under the correct questioning they may say, well, yeah, 263 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: and she gave me a diet coke, or she this 264 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: or she that under the right questioning, But to actually 265 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: change the story as a whole other can worms. And 266 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: you hit the nail on the head when you said drama. 267 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: Let's hear more from Sherry peppeni But what about this rope, 268 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: this chain, and what about the so called boyfriend, the 269 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 2: ex boyfriend she's somehow convinced to join her in her 270 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: crazy scheme. 271 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our buddy, Matt Gutman it. 272 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 13: Over the next six years, investigators would piece together how 273 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 13: Peppenie had lied about everything from her fictional abduction to 274 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 13: injuries which were largely self inflicted DNA from her clothing, 275 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 13: eventually leading them to her ex boyfriend, James Rayes. 276 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 5: I didn't get that her, you know, I just friend 277 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 5: in need asking pro and that was that? What did 278 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: she say? She was ranging away from her resident are 279 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 5: having d two here? Hasn't read for you. I don't 280 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 5: know what her jale. 281 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 14: Was look at my room in the closet, and I'm 282 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 14: sure Sip it's the same as she described it. 283 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: Ding ding ding ding ding. 284 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 9: This apartment, this closet, and this bathroom. 285 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: Looked just like the place that Sherry says she was 286 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: held captive. Wow, where the two Hispanic women hailed her 287 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: captive and starved her and bade her looks just like 288 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: the inside of her ex boyfriend's apartment where she hid out. 289 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Take a listener. 290 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 13: More authority say Pepped's allegations of abuse against her husband 291 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 13: were unfounded and that James Reyes had no knowledge of 292 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 13: her plan, and with Rais's cooperation, investigators now believed they 293 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 13: had solid proof Sheriff Peppedi's kidnapping was a hoax that was. 294 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 5: On you belongs to James Race. You talked to him. 295 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 15: We've been on a polygraph. We talked to everybody around him. 296 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 15: We have the rental agreements, phone mental the car mental agreements. 297 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 15: The reason why you lost so much weight is because 298 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 15: you stopped eating. The reason why the brand is because 299 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 15: he went to the store and bought the brand Natols 300 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 15: and branded you. The reason why your nose was broken 301 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 15: it is because of a hot stick. 302 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: Well, so she branded herself and broke her own nose 303 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: with me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave, 304 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: Where do you get a brand? I mean, I've been 305 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: in plenty of hardware stores, but a brand. 306 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 10: Actually, Nancy, it was a woodburning kit. Remember the little 307 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 10: kits we buy for our children where they can make 308 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 10: their own little designs with the little hating element and 309 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 10: little yes, a kind of that's what they used. And 310 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 10: actually they picked out it was a woodburning kit. And 311 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 10: then that kit it has certain symbols and in this 312 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 10: particular case, letters and numbers, and that's what they used. 313 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 2: Look, I know she's cost a lot of pain, but 314 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: a kid's woodburning kit? 315 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Jack, did you hear that? Do we know what symbols 316 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: she used? 317 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: It was always kind of held tight to the vest. Okay, 318 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: you pull it up, guys, I want to skip forward 319 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 2: to our cut sixty five. I've got to hear more 320 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 2: of Sherry Peppenie and you let me know when you 321 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: find out what the brand was. Anybody that finds out 322 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: what it is, jump in and remember, guests. 323 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: This is not Tea at High Grove. Okay. 324 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 10: Jump in the Bible verse was Exodus twenty one sixteen. 325 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: Exodus twenty one sixteen. I know Bob's Bible scholar. 326 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: What's Exodus twenty one sixteen? What does that mean? 327 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 10: It's actually it's actually about kidnapping the oh. 328 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: Dear Lord, and she dragged the Bible into it. 329 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 10: Yes, And the Exodus twenty one sixteen is anyone who 330 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 10: kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the 331 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 10: victim has been sold or is still in the kidnappers possession. 332 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that tidbit. 333 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: Let's go forward with Sherry Peppini under inch irrigation by 334 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: Shasta County Sheriff's detect is this is our cut sixty five. 335 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 16: She's the reason what to men that she means the 336 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 16: younger one letter ago? Right, So we're referring to we're 337 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 16: not gonna find her, and we can we can just skip. 338 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 5: To we can skip to the rock into the water 339 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: and ruffle up upon if we want to now again, 340 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: this is your last opera. This is the last time 341 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 5: if you want to do this alone or with Keith. 342 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 5: Keith spinning through this also on a different level. 343 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 15: So I'm I'm ready just to I'm ready to move 344 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 15: on and throw. 345 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 5: The dark and throw the rock and see what happens 346 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 5: for the water. But sure, look at me, what do 347 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 5: you want? I don't want her to get in trouble. 348 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 5: She's not gonna get in trouble. 349 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 17: So the DNA came back to James Rid okay, So 350 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 17: she's sticking to her story. DNA is found connected to 351 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 17: Sherry Peppenie that no doubt about it is her ex 352 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 17: boyfriend James Rays. 353 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: But she is sticking to her story. 354 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: What is she saying, Dave Max, She's saying, I don't 355 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: want her to get in trouble, and she says it, 356 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: so call me. Is she still she's going down with 357 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: a ship about the two Hispanic women. 358 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 10: Absolutely, And what she had told you that previously was 359 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 10: that the younger of the two Hispanic women held a 360 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 10: gun and told her to leave, and saying that it 361 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 10: was the younger of the two kidnappers that actually let 362 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 10: her go. And as she says, you know, giving me 363 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 10: the chance to see my children. 364 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: Now think about it. Sherry Pepinie is living in a 365 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: million dollar home. But now not only is she demanding 366 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: thirty grand, she's asking well demanding the ex husband hand 367 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: over in a ray of items from their marital home 368 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: for instance, Grandpa's truck, an inflatable water slide, go buy 369 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: one at Target, woman Alia Blower, and. 370 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: A smart TV. 371 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: You know what, As far as I'm concerned, she gave 372 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: up rights to any marital property when she pulled her 373 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: stunt an expense declaration. We managed to get our mits 374 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: on shows. Peppini claims to have an income of one 375 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: thousand grand a month. You know what, get a second job, woman. 376 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: She had been awarded ten grand in her divorce. In 377 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: order to pay half a three thousand dollars debt, she 378 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 2: racked up on a best Buy credit card. She did 379 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: that after she was arrested April twenty twenty two. Who 380 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: is her landlord? Her new boyfriend, that is her landlord, 381 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: a widowed car dealer man. This girl, she jumps from 382 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: one pot of honey into the next. The four bedroom 383 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: home where she's living has a rental value of over 384 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: three grand a month. Now, that's according to Zillo, that's 385 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: over six times what she claims to pay to. 386 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: Her quote landlord. 387 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: Mmmmm, okay again, you have to take this all with 388 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: a box of salt, and with the backdrop of what 389 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: she did to her husband and children. Let's hear some 390 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 2: more Schery pet Peeni. Okay, it's just like the SNL 391 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: quote more cow Bell, I gotta have more Shery Petpenny. 392 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen. 393 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 15: The reason why you can describe the rooms is because 394 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 15: you stayed in the room in the dark for hourd 395 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 15: for days on end. The reason why you lost so 396 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 15: much weight is because you stopped eating. The reason why 397 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 15: you got a rash on your parm is because he 398 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 15: cleaned his house. The reason why the brand is because 399 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 15: he went to the store and bought. 400 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 5: The brand and tools and branded you. 401 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 15: The reason why your nose was broken is because of 402 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 15: a hockey stick. I know all of those things, and 403 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 15: I know there. 404 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 5: Was no sex. 405 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 15: I know all of that because he passed a polygraph 406 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 15: test that said it's not an abduction. 407 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 5: She asked me to come to give her so I 408 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 5: readed a car for a loop and picked her up. 409 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: He passed the polygraph test. 410 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 15: Here. 411 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: Okay, it goes on and on and on talking about drama. 412 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: So in what kind of a mindset would she be 413 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: doctor Angie Arnold to literally starve herself. 414 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: I recall she lost I think forty pounds. 415 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: I can't remember how much weight she lost to break 416 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: your own nose with a hockey stick, and to Jackie 417 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: is very kindly, thank you Jackie for saying this is 418 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: something I can't get out of my head where she 419 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: literally burned letters into her skin. 420 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, she was telling a lie and she has 421 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 9: gotten so caught up in this lie, and I imagine 422 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 9: it became harder and harder and harder, and she felt 423 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 9: like she needed to do more things for people to 424 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 9: believe this lie. And you know what, Nancy, we don't know. 425 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 9: Maybe she got into it too. I mean, there are 426 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 9: people who self harm. How do we know she's not 427 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 9: a self harming person. 428 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: Okay, there's self harm for reasons that you as a 429 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: shrink understand, and then there is self harm to further 430 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: your big fat lie. We have no evidence she suffered 431 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 2: from self harming before she had to convince her husband 432 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: and law enforcement that she truly had been kidnapped by 433 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: two women. And she says it with a straight face. 434 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut sixty seven. She is 435 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: absolutely not giving up with this, even when confronted with 436 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 2: polygraphs in DNA. 437 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: Listen, that's not what happened. 438 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 17: What didn't happen to change, there's no way, it's change. 439 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 5: A way way DNA doesn't lie. His DNA is nasig. 440 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 5: There's no way Robert saw in the house. 441 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 15: You were down there while everything is far control, his cousin. 442 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: Why everything ran out of control on the initial There's 443 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 5: no way it's Roberts. 444 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 14: James's DNA even collected blond hairs from the room. 445 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 5: There's no way. Why are you saying it's. 446 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: Not jac Guys, I'm not a shriek, I'm just a 447 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: jd okay, Joscott Morgan, do you hear this woman just 448 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: screaming there's no way it's not James. And James is 449 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend, and they're like, ms p PENI, we 450 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: have his DNA, we have your hair in his home. 451 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: And she's like, who's Robert, And they're like the guy 452 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: that kept coming into the apartment while you were there, 453 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: and you talk to him, that's James's cousin. And she 454 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: she will not she will not give up. 455 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, she's steering straight down the barrel of mathematical probability 456 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 6: at this moment. Nancy, everybody you see all those memes 457 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 6: that float around and say math is hard, Well, this 458 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 6: is the reality of why you need to understand statistical analysis, 459 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 6: the odds that her hair would be there and that 460 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 6: her boyfriend's DNA would be on her are absolutely astronomical. 461 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: And she understands enough to know that she's staring down 462 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 6: this from an evidentiary standpoint. But Nancy, I'll shut up 463 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 6: after this. I got to tell you, I see a lot, 464 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 6: a lot of parallels between this person and that scumbag 465 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 6: in South Carolina, Susan Smith, all those years ago and 466 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 6: what she perpetrayed. Remember she called out African Americans in 467 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 6: that particular case and said that they had kidnapped those 468 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 6: babies and they had disappeared. She's pleading, asking, and she 469 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 6: gets wrapped up in this over and over again, and 470 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 6: you know, to go to doctor Angie's point. She keeps 471 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 6: playing along with it and burned deeper at the math 472 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 6: reveals and numbers reveal. 473 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 5: She was there. She knows what. 474 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Joe Scott, did I ever tell you that I 475 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: was in the middle of trying a case solo, And 476 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: of course I got into trouble in court like I 477 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: always did with the judge, and I called uh, the 478 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: guy that we were running the court together. I called 479 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: him herman Sloan and it asked him to come to court. 480 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: I said, bring the law quick, I need help. I'm 481 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: gonna get evidence ruled out. 482 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: So he races to court to help me and successful, 483 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: I might add, he's a brainiac. 484 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: And I looked at him and went herman, oh my. 485 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: Stars, you look exactly like the composite Susan Smith gave 486 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: the guy that took her children. You got an alibi 487 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: because I think somebody had already told him that, exactly 488 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: like Herma Slim, who, by the way, went on to 489 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: become a judge not connected to Susan Smith. 490 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: So yes, I mean, you're you're you know. 491 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: Another one that would just went down with the story 492 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: is Jody Arius. Jody Arius stuck to her story, un 493 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: tell she was absolutely cornered. 494 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: Then she came up with another lie. First I wasn't there. 495 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: Then okay, I was there, but they were two guys 496 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: dressed as ninjas and all black and they killed him 497 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: and I got away. Then it turned into self defense. 498 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: Yes I did it, but it was self defense. 499 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: Remember that, Remember that Joe Scott Morgan. 500 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I sure do. 501 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 6: And this idea that you know and look again, not shrink, 502 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 6: that's doctor and Angie's round. But it's almost like this 503 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 6: delusional thing they wrapped themselves in. But it's not a delusion. 504 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 6: They're playing a part. At this moment in time, this 505 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 6: woman was playing a part, you know, running off to 506 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 6: the boyfriend's apartment like this and dragging him down this 507 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 6: road with her. It's baffles mine. 508 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: I mean, apparently she tells the boyfriend, my husband beats me, 509 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: my husband rapes me, when in reality, the husband practically 510 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: worshiped her. 511 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 512 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: In the court filings, she herself described she lives in 513 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 2: a quote beautiful new home in Shingleton, California, where she 514 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: says the children will each be allowed to have their 515 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: own room and that she will redecorate them to the 516 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,959 Speaker 2: children's liking if she has that kind of money. She 517 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: doesn't need his money. She also claims to have a normal, 518 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: routine and stable job, a quote consultant position. 519 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 520 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: She says she has it with a small La based 521 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: literary agency called Lady Moon Entertainment. Okay, what is Lady 522 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: Moon Entertainment? And do they not have Google? Okay? Back 523 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 2: to Sherry Peppini's stunt that broke the hearts of her family, 524 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: let's circle back to cut sixty four. Sherry Papinia. Now listen, this. 525 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: Is what she's talking about. 526 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: She quote, I don't want you to find the person 527 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: who helped me escape, you know, the one that held 528 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: a gunt in my head. 529 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 15: Listen, we're not to a point where anybody's going to 530 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 15: jail yet. 531 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 5: We're not to a point of any anything like that. 532 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 5: We're just still at the talking stage. We're at the 533 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 5: control stage. Yeah, you seem scared. 534 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 14: Shanks scared, but. 535 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 18: When you don't answer sharing, it makes me concerned because 536 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 18: I want to heal it, shar answers, and I want 537 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 18: to be able to. 538 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 5: Understand any way to control things your throat. 539 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: You know, I don't want you to find her. 540 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 5: We're not going to find her. 541 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: She's the reason why I get to see my children 542 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 4: every day. 543 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 5: I agree, we're not going to find her. 544 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 545 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: Suddenly, several she goes up. They say, Sherry, you seem scared, 546 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: and then she says, I don't. And then remember she's hysterical, 547 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: and then suddenly she's very calm, says I don't want 548 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: you to find her. She's playing them like a fiddle, 549 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: a strativarius fiddle. Let me add that in and then 550 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: she drags her children into it. 551 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: The reason I don't want you to find her. 552 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: The woman that stood by while I was branded and 553 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 2: beaten and my nose broken, I was starved. I don't 554 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: want her to go to jail because she's the reason 555 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: I get to see my children every day. Hey, let's 556 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: hear sixty four one more time. Listen to the tonal 557 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: quality and the dichotomy and her first answers versus Suddenly 558 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: she gets calm an answer. 559 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 15: It's not to a point where anybody's going to Tralia, 560 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 15: or not to a point of any anything like that. 561 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 5: We're just still at the talking stage. 562 00:32:53,040 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 18: We're at the control stage. You seem scared, Shrek, What 563 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 18: is it when you don't answer sharing it? 564 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 14: It makes me concerned because I want to heal with 565 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 14: you answers, and I want to be able to. 566 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 5: Understand any way to control things you're threat. 567 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 4: You know, I don't want you to find her. 568 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 5: We're not going to find her. She's the reason why 569 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 5: I get to see my children every day. I agree, 570 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 5: we're not going to find her. 571 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to find her because she's not 572 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 2: real joining me right now, a private investigator renowned throughout 573 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: her area, Monyque Investigations joining us out of Omaha. 574 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: You can find her on Twitter at mona Que Monique. 575 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 2: How many times have you questioned someone and you just 576 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: keep asking them questions because you know they're lying. Did 577 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: you see the tonal quality of her answer shift? At 578 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: first she's saying, anyone, I'm scared, and then I meet 579 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: and suck it up a lot of snock into your 580 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: Then she goes very calmly. 581 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't want you to find her about twenty. 582 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 19: Seconds later, but yeah, she You know, her body language 583 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 19: tells us a lot, Her voice inflections tell us a lot. 584 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: And enough right, tell me what do you mean by that? 585 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 19: The way she's she's so calm and collected. At some 586 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 19: point she's hysterical. At other points she doesn't look at 587 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 19: the police officers, the detectives. 588 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 9: In the eye. 589 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 19: Another thing, getting back a little bit to the information 590 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 19: she's giving. She thinks she's in control, and she gives 591 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 19: so much detail, so much detail that you'd think that 592 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 19: they would be able to, you know, crack the case, 593 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 19: follow up, have leads to go on. 594 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 6: I've worked so. 595 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 19: Many cases over the years, over thirty some years, I've 596 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 19: never received this much detail from any witness. But yet 597 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 19: it's a little bit of information I have gotten has 598 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 19: led somewhere most cases. But she gives, you know, volumes 599 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 19: of very detailed information and it goes nowhere. You know, 600 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 19: they don't. 601 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 602 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: And what's amazing is they tell her straight up, we've 603 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: got DNA, we have your boyfriend, we've got your boyfriend's 604 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: cousin who will state. They're all stating you were there, 605 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: and you lie to them, and she still is not 606 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 2: giving it up. Okay, guys, listen to this. Now we 607 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: see a little crick Take a listen our cut sixty eight. 608 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 11: At the at the end of everything, once we've you 609 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 11: had to have known that this was going to come 610 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 11: at some point. But then, how did we get to 611 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 11: Costa Evanson? 612 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 5: How are we going to know it? 613 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 15: There's a big jump in a leaf from talking to 614 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 15: them in to getting in a car with somebody. Pout, 615 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 15: getting into a car with somebody because somebody you had 616 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 15: a relationship with. 617 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 5: He told us about the abortion. 618 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, abortion what abortion? Dave mac How did 619 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: I miss? Abortion? What abortion? What? 620 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 10: They don't go into detail on her nancy, but what 621 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 10: they were trying to do is a pusher to letting 622 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 10: her know they've talked to this guy, they've already gone 623 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 10: over what he's told them, and they're telling her that 624 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 10: we know that you guys were so close that he 625 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 10: knows you had an abortion. That's what they were trying 626 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 10: to set up, that you're acting like this is two women, 627 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 10: and that James Reyes is just kind of out here 628 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 10: in the periphery. But we know who he is to you, 629 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 10: and we're telling you right off, you guys are so 630 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 10: close that he knows about your abortion. 631 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Okay, now I get it. Now. 632 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 2: Remember she's saying it's my fault because as I talked 633 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: to guys. What is that supposed to mean. I talked 634 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: to guys. I talked to guys every single day of 635 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: the week. My husband talks to women every single day 636 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: of the week. How is that supposed to get you 637 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: in trouble? But here we hear more of it. She's 638 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: still sticking to her lie. Don't get me wrong, our 639 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: cut sixty nine fault. 640 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 5: My fault was flirting with other men. 641 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: It was a stupid thing to do. 642 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 20: Children's understandable. Flirting with other men not a crime. Lying 643 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 20: to me today yes, a crime. 644 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 15: Big difference telling your story of what happened to you 645 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 15: isn't a crime. 646 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 14: And I know you're scared of what Keith is going 647 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 14: to say and do, what's going to happen with you 648 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 14: and your family. Those are real concerns, but we also 649 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 14: need to understand the truth. 650 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: What about her body language? Were you noticing Moni quay, Well. 651 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 19: You know, she looks down a lot, She's kind of 652 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 19: curled up. She's not confident in what she's saying. She's 653 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 19: giving so many different detailed and so many stories that 654 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 19: she can't keep some of her stories straight, so they're conflicting. 655 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 10: And you know that's a dead giveaway. 656 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 19: And when she can't remember something, she said she sleeps 657 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 19: a lot. I mean she said she slept when they 658 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 19: picked her up. She couldn't give some details about the 659 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 19: direction the car may have gone because she was sleeping. 660 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 19: Yet she was just supposedly abducted. 661 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 10: You know. 662 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 12: Another thing that this is Wendy Patrick. Another part of 663 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 12: her body language which I found striking was she was 664 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 12: all she was closed. You know, you talk about opening 665 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 12: closed and who's approachable, and she couldn't be more defensive 666 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 12: and closed. It was almost like the way she curled 667 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 12: herself into a ball in her art and her legs 668 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 12: were crossed. There was everything about her body language that 669 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 12: just transmitted I'm stuck on corners. She was like an 670 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 12: animal in the quarner of a cage. And that is 671 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 12: one of the huge tells that really was leading these 672 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 12: detectives to agree that you know, they had all the 673 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 12: evidence they needed. This was a staging act. This was 674 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 12: not something any. 675 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 10: Part of it that was credible, right, I agree? I agree. 676 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 19: I thought her buddy language said a lot. 677 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 2: What about the husband, Keith Peppenie, who has stood by 678 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: her from the get go? Take a listen to our 679 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 2: cut seventy on the husband and stayed around. 680 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 4: The whole time all so I feel like my whole 681 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,959 Speaker 4: world being flipped outside now again? 682 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 5: Why is that? Why am always getting held out of it? Like? 683 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 5: Why can't you just hit me with it? Yeah, because 684 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 5: this happened London. You're saying you can't tell me helps. 685 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 14: That that's so ongoing investigation. 686 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 5: So you know I'm going to find an answer me 687 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 5: this a ways? 688 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 4: Can you help me get throw me a bone and 689 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 4: I go make you made it up? 690 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 5: Is that where we're going right. 691 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 14: Or is she trying to come over the whole Before 692 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 14: I can give you any invidual details. Obviously you've heard questions, 693 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 14: so you can read through some of those, and I 694 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 14: understand you've seen some of the photos, so you know 695 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 14: some of the investing. Yeah, yeah, but if you can 696 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 14: also notice your reaction compared to. 697 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 10: Her reaction, he filed for divorce. As things sit now, 698 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 10: he did walk away. You heard him right there, this 699 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 10: cut and dry. He walked into that last interview Nancy 700 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 10: as the doating husband who believed everything she said. And 701 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 10: we're talking an hour and a half later, he's he 702 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 10: is gobsmacked. You know, he doesn't he didn't know this 703 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 10: was going to happen, and boom. That's why he says, 704 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 10: you know, my whole world has flipped upside down again. 705 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 10: And then he says, you know you just heard he said, well, 706 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 10: can you help me throw me a bone? You know 707 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 10: she made it up? Is that where we're going? Is 708 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 10: she trying to come up with a whole nother story? 709 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 17: Now? 710 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 10: I mean that's this guy was rocked. 711 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 19: To his core. 712 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: You know, I was just looking through these documents. The 713 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 2: penny writes, my whole life has been planned around my children, 714 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 2: and I will continue to adjust to their needs for 715 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 2: the rest of my life. 716 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: Really, I'm sorry. 717 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: I just can't get past your big fake kidnapping where 718 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: you made them suffer. I remember being on the hunt 719 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 2: to find Sherry Pepenie, and I'm telling you this ex husband, 720 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 2: this dad has been through enough. Hey, lady, you know 721 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: what you can do with your leaf blower. Okay, I 722 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 2: won't finish that thought. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend.