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Speaker 4: We're gathering for season eight, episode sixteen. I think I'm
Speaker 4: gonna like it here. Our original air date was February
Speaker 4: twenty second, twenty eleven. That's my friend Cammy's birthday, Robert,
Speaker 4: would you like to read our synopsis for the Girls?
Speaker 5: Would love to? As the girls plan a surprise baby
Speaker 5: shower for Haley, The guys participate in tryouts for Jamie's
Speaker 5: baseball team. Meanwhile, Brook and Julian pursue adoption, and Mouth
Speaker 5: gets Milicent ready for her first day at work. I
Speaker 5: was directed by Stephen Goldfried and written by Rachel Spector
Speaker 5: and Audrey What show.
Speaker 1: I think that's correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the best. Rachel and Audrey are so great, and
Speaker 4: you feel their sort of spirit and their playfulness and
Speaker 4: their sense of humor in the whole episode.
Speaker 5: I think it.
Speaker 1: Feelt kind of flat for me. I gotta be honest,
Speaker 1: it's pretty bored. I'm sorry, it is pretty bored.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I was enjoying the pace of it
Speaker 4: because I was also making lunch while I was watching
Speaker 4: this episode, So maybe it was the perfect thing to
Speaker 4: have on while I was also doing something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mean to take away from Rachel and Audrey.
Speaker 1: I think they're both incredibly talented writers and wonderful women,
Speaker 1: and we really enjoyed having them on the show. And
Speaker 1: you never know what's going on behind the scenes and
Speaker 1: what's being rewritten outside of their names and what is
Speaker 1: what the parameters are on people that are writing things,
Speaker 1: So it's never really any reflection on the writers. It's
Speaker 1: just I couldn't And I think possibly the combination of
Speaker 1: Steve Goldfred directing, who was a very novice director and
Speaker 1: probably just didn't have the expand he didn't have I
Speaker 1: don't know that his depth of history spending time with
Speaker 1: a lot of women around each other was comprehensive, and
Speaker 1: so it felt like there was a lot of stiffness
Speaker 1: and sort of falseeness in that not in we were
Speaker 1: doing the best we could with what we had, and
Speaker 1: there were a lot of scenes with a lot of people,
Speaker 1: so that's also a big heavy lift to pull. But
Speaker 1: all the pieces just felt clunky to me. They didn't
Speaker 1: quite all stick together.
Speaker 5: One thing I will say to that point is it
Speaker 5: felt so I feel like it's hard to service an
Speaker 5: ensemble cast in forty four minutes, you know, like when
Speaker 5: you actually break it down, when you have like eight
Speaker 5: main characters, everybody's getting like five and a half minutes
Speaker 5: of screen time, so it's very hard to tell stories
Speaker 5: for everyone. So I feel like most episodes, everything it's
Speaker 5: like this scene's in here because we have to get
Speaker 5: that point. This scene is in here because we have
Speaker 5: to do it. This episode kind of felt the opposite,
Speaker 5: where it was like these three scenes are going to
Speaker 5: be for this thing, and like there was a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff that felt stretched out as opposed to like
Speaker 5: we're going to get into the scene as late as
Speaker 5: possible and leave as early as possible.
Speaker 4: I think that's what I liked though, was I finally
Speaker 4: felt like we were watching people live a life. I
Speaker 4: didn't feel like the scenes were racing. To make a point,
Speaker 4: I guess like there were certain things I really liked
Speaker 4: where the callbacks took a while to come around, Like
Speaker 4: you have that great sequence in The Morning Joy, when
Speaker 4: it's Haley and Jamie and you walk in in the
Speaker 4: Jamie's mom jersey and he's like, Mom, there's no whistles
Speaker 4: in baseball. And then it comes up so long later,
Speaker 4: like halfway through the episode.
Speaker 1: And Daphney walking in after you just got over done
Speaker 1: talking with you about prison, but it was way earlier
Speaker 1: in the episode totally.
Speaker 4: So it's like I liked that that there was a
Speaker 4: weight and then a reward because I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think when they're trying to do exactly what
Speaker 4: you're talking about, Rob where like you've got to get
Speaker 4: everybody's episodic point in. I'm like, there's literally no reason
Speaker 4: for this scene. You just needed me to know that
Speaker 4: this was going to happen to Brook and Julian or
Speaker 4: Quinn and Clay so that in the next episode it
Speaker 4: could and this whole sort of sequence of events. Maybe
Speaker 4: because it was just this you know, seven hour period
Speaker 4: of one day, I was like, Oh, I actually get
Speaker 4: to watch people talk to each other and sometimes it's
Speaker 4: awkward and sometimes it's funny, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more of a narrative style. More of a
Speaker 1: narrative style. I don't think. I don't know that there's
Speaker 1: anything really wrong with it. It just for me. I
Speaker 1: I don't tend to love those types of stories anyway,
Speaker 1: where you're just sitting in a moment of someone's life.
Speaker 1: There are some films and TV shows where I really
Speaker 1: love that, but it's done a certain way that is
Speaker 1: appealing to me personally. But I like when we do
Speaker 1: things that are really there's there's an objective in every scene.
Speaker 1: Every character has a motive, there's something that they're moving toward.
Speaker 1: There's a purpose in the scene, and we're waiting to
Speaker 1: see these things achieved throughout. And this one didn't feel
Speaker 1: like that. It was much more narrative. It was much
Speaker 1: more like, how are we feeling and discussing new things
Speaker 1: with each other that are coming up, and Austin sharing
Speaker 1: that or Julian sharing that he's going to be a dad,
Speaker 1: and how the guys are reacting to that. You know,
Speaker 1: those are It's not that it's not a story worth telling.
Speaker 1: Maybe I just wasn't in the mood for it, and
Speaker 1: it could just be as simple as.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I think kind of like to So's point,
Speaker 5: it's like it's not it's it's neither a good nor
Speaker 5: a bad thing. It's just sort of like it's the
Speaker 5: change up pitch. This show thills a lot of fastballs
Speaker 5: and curveballs and then So comes. But you know, like
Speaker 5: that that was the thing. It's like, I think we've
Speaker 5: come to expect a certain pacing on this show, and
Speaker 5: this one was just different, you know, correct? But I okay,
Speaker 5: I I love the opening song because I will the
Speaker 5: opening montage was, yes, but it worked because of that song.
Speaker 5: I thought like it was I was very happy with it.
Speaker 1: That's actually a good, good point that the opener was
Speaker 1: slow and kind of setting us up for the pace
Speaker 1: of what everyone was about to enter into for the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what I thought was sort of interesting about it,
Speaker 4: Like the very first note that I have is that
Speaker 4: Hayley's baby shower actually has everyone almost on their heels.
Speaker 4: Everyone's back in their nostalgia. People are thinking about the past,
Speaker 4: they're thinking about how it relates to the future. And yes,
Speaker 4: I think the song set the pace and what was
Speaker 4: nice for me, I caught myself kind of take a breath, like, oh, okay, great,
Speaker 4: I don't have to be ready for the trauma. This week,
Speaker 4: I remembered that it was going to be nice, and
Speaker 4: yeah it is. It's funny. You're right. I think it's like,
Speaker 4: how's your energy level? What do you need? You know,
Speaker 4: I've like got a thing of laundry going and I'm cooking,
Speaker 4: and I'm like perfect. This is gonna be an easy episode.
Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna die. I love this.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 4: It's like rom com energy.
Speaker 5: It wasn't for the viewer, it's not. It's not a
Speaker 5: challenging episode either, Like you doesn't require a lot of
Speaker 5: attention span or deduction. It's like, just sit back, we're
Speaker 5: gonna spoon feed you some fun plot stuff. Yeah, everyone's
Speaker 5: gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: You're just gonna enjoy yourself today.
Speaker 5: One of my first note was I just love Lisa Goldstein.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love her too. She should I have on here.
Speaker 1: Lisa needs her own TV show.
Speaker 5: Yes, when she was putting on lifstick in the mirror,
Speaker 5: it's such a simple thing, but she told like a
Speaker 5: whole story in it, and because we know what's going on,
Speaker 5: she killed that. She's just fantastic criminal underused.
Speaker 4: Well and to do a scene particularly one where the
Speaker 4: camera is in motion, you know, it's one maybe two
Speaker 4: shots because it's part of a teaser montage, and two
Speaker 4: without saying a single word, communicate the absolute bitter sweetness
Speaker 4: of a moment in your life. Like I felt like
Speaker 4: I knew every single thing she was thinking about, being
Speaker 4: proud of herself and nervous that it was going to
Speaker 4: hurt her relationship and scared of you know, upsetting mouth
Speaker 4: and then having imposter syndrome. I watched it all on
Speaker 4: her face and it was so beautiful. I agree.
Speaker 5: The uh, Haley coming in all kitted up with the
Speaker 5: Jamie's mom jersey, the hat, the whistle. It was so
Speaker 5: much fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just like pure Lucia Ball inspiration for me,
Speaker 1: just being a total goofball. It was really fun. I
Speaker 1: always loved doing ses with Jackson where we just got
Speaker 1: to play and be goofy. You know, it's a great
Speaker 1: day at work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to dress up with a kid always heightens it,
Speaker 4: and it works for Haley. It was such a great choice,
Speaker 4: you know, for the character, for the wardrobe department, the
Speaker 4: whole thing, everything being embroidered and customed in all of
Speaker 4: it because they gave you that line. I've got all
Speaker 4: these new terms to learn and things to you know, cheers,
Speaker 4: all the things. It's like, you have something to be
Speaker 4: really excited about and it's thematic. So to make it
Speaker 4: essentially a theme party and have a costume was like
Speaker 4: Chef's Kiss.
Speaker 5: Was there a specific reason that Haley wasn't going to go?
Speaker 5: I feel like she just walks in the room and
Speaker 5: just says, hey, are you sure you don't want me
Speaker 5: to go? But did I miss something or was that
Speaker 5: just I.
Speaker 1: Think that's just the exposition of why I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be in that storyline because I have another storyline.
Speaker 4: Because you had a bibbish However.
Speaker 5: Yeah, You're like, well, I wish I could be there,
Speaker 5: but I have to be in a b story with
Speaker 5: some other characters. Jamie, good luck making the team.
Speaker 1: But where was I wasn't going to Is it his
Speaker 1: first game?
Speaker 5: Tryouts?
Speaker 1: Oh, tryouts?
Speaker 4: Auditions?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: It was great Julian auditions. So and why did I
Speaker 1: guess I missed this too? I mean Kellerman, why did
Speaker 1: he meet you guys out at the little league field?
Speaker 1: I was confused as to why he met you out
Speaker 1: there when you had been waiting for him. Someone else,
Speaker 1: I didn't really get that.
Speaker 5: Well, he stood us up. So my only thing is
Speaker 5: like that was just him eventually catching up with us.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I kind of assumed that, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: clear to me. Yeah, he's just so suddenly nice with
Speaker 1: this kid. Oh, I'm sorry, Rob, I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: throw you off. You look like you're ready to go somewhere.
Speaker 5: Well, because there was something a very specific question I
Speaker 5: have for Sophia before we get into that part of
Speaker 5: the episode. So there's the really sweet scene of Brooke
Speaker 5: and Brook sort of talking to camera, she's rehearsing her
Speaker 5: adoption speech, and then Yah Julian, and then it goes
Speaker 5: into the bedroom where Brooke is jumping on the bed
Speaker 5: and he in Julian kind of comes in like a
Speaker 5: faux dad and is like, no jumping on the bed.
Speaker 5: It gets it gets cute, and then there's a moment
Speaker 5: where you jump off the bed into Austin's arms and
Speaker 5: I had to watch it three times because it really
Speaker 5: looked like a stunt, like you run cables, But there's
Speaker 5: no way in hell we'd bring in cables for that, right,
Speaker 5: Like that was just you jumping.
Speaker 4: Right, it was just me jumping but I jumped far.
Speaker 5: Dude, go back and watch it. I watched it three
Speaker 5: times because I was like, I think, am I seeing
Speaker 5: this right? And then there's a weird thing where after
Speaker 5: you guys fall onto the bed, you're kissing canoonling, and
Speaker 5: then he goes to like when he goes to vault
Speaker 5: himself up onto the bed. Watch that again. It's like
Speaker 5: a superhero vault where he kind of just looks like
Speaker 5: he gets yanked off the bed. And I was like,
Speaker 5: did we use cables for this? No, way, we use cables.
Speaker 5: We did see, but.
Speaker 4: I actually really appreciate that you were like, hold on
Speaker 4: because the whole point obviously was to be really giddy.
Speaker 4: He calls Brooke, you know, your little tiggery thing, saying
Speaker 4: she's got like tigger energy from Winnie the Pooh. So
Speaker 4: I was bouncing very purposefully really high and like doing
Speaker 4: the spin, you know, up in the air and the
Speaker 4: whole thing. And you guys know this. But for our
Speaker 4: friends at home, we've talked about this a little on
Speaker 4: the episode. Sets have to be like extra large rooms,
Speaker 4: so you have room for two to three cameras and
Speaker 4: the Dolly equipment. The cameras go on, so the rooms
Speaker 4: are big, they're oversized, and I remember I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I had to make it look like
Speaker 4: I just leapt off the bed but sort of cheat
Speaker 4: into almost a running start to make it from the
Speaker 4: mattress to where Austin was standing, which was like a
Speaker 4: solid eight feet away from me by the door of
Speaker 4: the outstretched room.
Speaker 1: That's great, and so it's like it.
Speaker 4: It's a really silly scene, but it actually did require
Speaker 4: like a lot of strange physicality from us both. So
Speaker 4: thank you so much for picking up on it. And no,
Speaker 4: I didn't need me Kible's rob I was just good
Speaker 4: at my job.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Sophia Bush does her own stunts. And
Speaker 5: then I do want to report a crime. Later in
Speaker 5: the scene, don't know if you noticed, Julian is wearing
Speaker 5: his boots in the house, which first of all, oh
Speaker 5: the bed god, But then when he decides to jump
Speaker 5: on the bed with you, he's still wearing his boots.
Speaker 4: Yeah, outside shoes do not go into the bedroom, let
Speaker 4: alone on the furniture.
Speaker 5: No, what you can tell it's moments like this where
Speaker 5: you can tell we were all in our twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because if a foty year old was shooting the scene,
Speaker 5: they'd be like, Oh, there's no way in hell I'd
Speaker 5: ever have my.
Speaker 1: Shoes on the yes in my house. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Director at this Steve at the time I think was
Speaker 1: probably in his really youngs early thirties. Yeah, like probably didn't.
Speaker 1: None of us. Well we owned homes, I guess, but
Speaker 1: did we were we renting.
Speaker 4: Either Either way, it's still just like.
Speaker 1: You can't walk into my I don't walk into my
Speaker 1: my bedroom carpet with shoes on, let alone climbing no head.
Speaker 1: That's just this insane.
Speaker 4: But it's exactly that thing. We talked about it whatever
Speaker 4: episode it was where remember you might have called it
Speaker 4: out Robert, you were like, why does Julian have his
Speaker 4: shoes on the couch of his napping It's the same thing,
Speaker 4: and it's it's the it's the greatest indicator that those
Speaker 4: are wardrobe shoes and you're walking to set in your
Speaker 4: slippers and then putting your shoes on on set and
Speaker 4: they've literally never touched dirt, so you're you're unconscious of
Speaker 4: the fact that they're they're supposed to be an actual shoe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's so silly.
Speaker 5: What what was Steve's position on our show.
Speaker 1: He was an assistant for one of the producers, gotcha.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then worked his way up and
Speaker 4: started shadowing and started producing, and then I think this
Speaker 4: was his first year getting to direct an episode. Maybe
Speaker 4: pretty cool.
Speaker 7: Well done.
Speaker 5: Chantell crushed the physical comedy again, as she always does.
Speaker 5: In that moment of her I think when she's made
Speaker 5: it to Brooks. Yeah, I think it's in Brooks for
Speaker 5: her and she just like a baby deer, runs across
Speaker 5: the room, dives over the couch, falls on the ground.
Speaker 5: She just always commits to that stuff. And it's so funny,
Speaker 5: especially given the fact that she does she has long limbs. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so when you play goofy and like uncoordinated, it's so
Speaker 5: damn funny.
Speaker 4: It's incredible. And what I liked about it too, is
Speaker 4: it really kept the baseball metaphor going. And I don't
Speaker 4: know if that was intentional on her part, or her
Speaker 4: and Steve disgusted or how they came to it. She
Speaker 4: dives like she's sliding into home plate. And so you
Speaker 4: go from the baseball field with all the kids and
Speaker 4: then into you know, brook and Julian's house with Quinn
Speaker 4: going for this dive It's like, I really liked that
Speaker 4: a lot of those things felt like they were connected,
Speaker 4: even even in this little slice of a day.
Speaker 5: It was cool to see Levin make her appearance. I
Speaker 5: didn't remember what she did on the show, Levin Ramblin,
Speaker 5: who plays Chloe. Yeah, but when she came to the door,
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, this is how you fit into
Speaker 5: the puzzle, okay, because I didn't remember who the parents,
Speaker 5: you know, were going to be.
Speaker 1: I thought she was on the show before. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that she came in so late, but I do
Speaker 1: remember her being there, and I remember her getting Hunger Games,
Speaker 1: like a few months later. It was pretty fast. She
Speaker 1: was getting a lot of work all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: She's exciting that we that we got her early on
Speaker 1: when we did Yeah.
Speaker 4: And she's just so good and it's you know, I
Speaker 4: was thinking about it a lot watching her because we
Speaker 4: had such a good time working together. But to have
Speaker 4: distance from it and watch the episode back. She comes
Speaker 4: in so raw, but she's not pushing, you know, she's
Speaker 4: not overdoing anything. She manages to just have so much
Speaker 4: going on right under the surface, and to be able
Speaker 4: to do that in a storyline like this eight seasons
Speaker 4: in when our fan base wanted Brooke Davis to have
Speaker 4: a happy ending, you know, to have her great love story,
Speaker 4: this fairytale moment so badly to come in and literally
Speaker 4: be the crux of that. And I don't know, I
Speaker 4: was so impressed with her then and watching her now,
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm like, my breath is taken away by
Speaker 4: how seamlessly she slides into this world and then brings
Speaker 4: such a life to it, you know, and represents this
Speaker 4: this incredibly emotional and vulnerable experience that you know now
Speaker 4: Again to your point, we were in our twenties then,
Speaker 4: I didn't know anyone who had adopted. Then. Now it's
Speaker 4: like I've I've had every friend I know become a parent,
Speaker 4: every friend who wants to anyway, in like the most
Speaker 4: incredible ways. I've watched people go through fertility. I've watched
Speaker 4: people go through IVF I've watched people go through adoptions.
Speaker 4: I've watched like it's I don't know, it's so it's
Speaker 4: so important to do it right, and she just did
Speaker 4: it so beautifully. And I'm like, I'm even more impressed
Speaker 4: now than I was in real time back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a really grounded performer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, that's exactly what I was going to say,
Speaker 5: is that there's there's a lot of noise around her,
Speaker 5: her character. There's a lot of big things going on
Speaker 5: with Brooke, and there's it's high energy, right, I think,
Speaker 5: especially as a guest star man, it's very easy to
Speaker 5: come in and just get swept up in the current
Speaker 5: of everything happening around you. But because she's so grounded,
Speaker 5: and it made because she read the room and realized, Okay,
Speaker 5: everyone around me is big, I'm going to go small. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it becomes so much more interesting when you do that.
Speaker 5: But either way, yeah, I agree that she played it
Speaker 5: very subtle and it was really effective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so real.
Speaker 4: It is beautiful too.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of shenanigans happening around, especially at
Speaker 1: the party when everything ELT's coming up and Lisa's like
Speaker 1: talking about I'd have to start doing cocaine again to
Speaker 1: keep up with it, Brooke your unemployment line, and then
Speaker 1: Daphne walks in talking about prison. I mean, the whole
Speaker 1: thing was just it was just one hit after another,
Speaker 1: and she did stay very grounded in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: She didn't play into that's actually a really difficult thing
Speaker 1: as an actor when you're in a room and everyone
Speaker 1: else is playing a certain energy. It's one of my
Speaker 1: pet peeves about auditioning. Actually, when you are reading with
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, you read with the casting
Speaker 1: director who's throwing a certain energy at you that feels
Speaker 1: completely wrong for the scene, and you have to somehow
Speaker 1: maintain what you believe the character is actually experiencing and
Speaker 1: not play off of their energy. So for her to
Speaker 1: be in a room full of people, all of all
Speaker 1: of us were doing a little wild kookie, like over
Speaker 1: the top stuff, and just to be completely solid, it's impressive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And a great choice I thought Steve made was
Speaker 5: he stayed in the wide that has Brooke in the
Speaker 5: foreground when Victoria enters. So it's so perfect because you
Speaker 5: don't need to be tied on Victoria because she's so big,
Speaker 5: and she just enters the room and shouts about prison.
Speaker 5: It was so smart of him to stay in that
Speaker 5: shot and just watch it all happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, she didn't even say a word, She just walked
Speaker 1: in the door and made some sound. And you, Sophia,
Speaker 1: you just shut your eyes completely. You just like an exhaled.
Speaker 1: It was great, Like you didn't even need to hear
Speaker 1: words out of her mouth. It was like a noise.
Speaker 5: You were just like, oh.
Speaker 4: God, it's literally like the death blow. It's like I'm
Speaker 4: holding on for dear life and then it's over. It's over.
Speaker 5: That I think was my favorite scene of the episode.
Speaker 5: It was it was so such a perfect domino effect,
Speaker 5: and every every beat of it was funny, and every
Speaker 5: beat kept getting worse, like started sort of like I
Speaker 5: lost the company. Then he said, yeah, cocaine rehab prison,
Speaker 5: and it was just like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you even get Alison Mun, who could have been like, no,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about. I'm an elementary school teacher,
Speaker 4: and she goes, well, no, not yet, like it's a
Speaker 4: badge of honor, and it's like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Also, I mean I already I started making a note
Speaker 5: because I was very upset that Alison Mun was just
Speaker 5: getting no screen time in the scene, because the way
Speaker 5: it starts is like, what the hell. You see her
Speaker 5: face for one second, then she turns out a frame,
Speaker 5: then you see the bottom half of her legs for
Speaker 5: one part of the scene. So I immediately is like,
Speaker 5: this is criminal. Give Alison months some freaking work to
Speaker 5: do and then she says like three or four lines total.
Speaker 5: But I was just like, it's a it's an uptown
Speaker 5: problem that we have so many great people on the
Speaker 5: show that you feel like they're not getting enough. But
Speaker 5: at the same time you're just like, what come, Yeah,
Speaker 5: give me more of her.
Speaker 1: We had seen, we've seen. Well, Janna wasn't in it
Speaker 1: that much either. She got a few lines, but they
Speaker 1: were all pretty meaningful. I was like, maybe we could
Speaker 1: have given some of that space to Allison because she's
Speaker 1: been on the show less than Jana, but no, we
Speaker 1: needed all of Janna's lions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like Alison's first line to you, Brooke was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: it's at least I can do after you save my life?
Speaker 5: So what's up with stuff?
Speaker 6: That is?
Speaker 4: That is one of those like speaking of that just
Speaker 4: no one would ever say, yeah, but you know what
Speaker 4: it what it reminds me of is, you know, we
Speaker 4: always had to lose so much to the cutting room
Speaker 4: for right, because when you're doing a network show and
Speaker 4: you have commercial breaks, you've got forty three minutes, sometimes
Speaker 4: forty two and a half. And this is one of
Speaker 4: those episodes when you see, especially all the girls in
Speaker 4: one room and everyone is in the comedic swirl of
Speaker 4: just the wheels beginning to fall off. You're like, God,
Speaker 4: I wish this had been a streaming show and we
Speaker 4: could have had the full sixty because where this would
Speaker 4: have gone with more time would have just been so
Speaker 4: damn funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I would have loved to have traded five minutes of
Speaker 5: the Kellerman storyline for five more minutes in that party
Speaker 5: with just you women.
Speaker 4: I don't know about a full five.
Speaker 1: I think we could have trimmed two. But Okay, I
Speaker 1: really did enjoy this storyline between the two of you
Speaker 1: because I, first of all, I just love all the
Speaker 1: reinforcements of the friendship between Nathan and Clay. That always
Speaker 1: feels good to me. And maybe there's been a ala
Speaker 1: to it that just continues to remind us of where
Speaker 1: our show came from and this connection between the guys.
Speaker 1: But I liked the dynamic you guys were doing. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call a good cop bad cop because it wasn't
Speaker 1: really a game, but Clay was much more cynical and
Speaker 1: usable reasonable and skeptical about this kid. And Nathan having
Speaker 1: grown up with a dad much like Kellerman and being
Speaker 1: a star athlete he understood this kid and was able
Speaker 1: to like. But I liked watching you be, yeah, a
Speaker 1: normal person reacting the way most people would like. No,
Speaker 1: I respect myself and my company too much. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit here and wait around for this kid
Speaker 1: and then to learn from someone that that's It's not
Speaker 1: always a hard and fast rule. Like there's nuance to
Speaker 1: different personalities and sometimes you gotta be patiently gracious. And
Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked watching that subtly happen, and
Speaker 1: you did it in a way that, again, it didn't
Speaker 1: feel over the top. It felt very grounded. And I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful that Steve sat the camera on you and
Speaker 1: let it live so that it wasn't just cutting away,
Speaker 1: but we really got to live with your reactions.
Speaker 4: I think one of the things I really enjoyed about
Speaker 4: having a little slowness in this was getting to watch
Speaker 4: people think. And I really appreciated all four of you
Speaker 4: guys at the bar having these conversations. While we don't
Speaker 4: really know a lot about Clay's parents, we know a
Speaker 4: lot about Julian's dad. We know the most about Dan Scott.
Speaker 4: We've seen Professor Kellerman, and I really liked getting to
Speaker 4: see grown men sit around and talk about family and influence.
Speaker 4: And I liked seeing Clay understand that Ian really was
Speaker 4: a young version of Nathan, not just because he was
Speaker 4: kind of a dick and a star athlete, but oh
Speaker 4: maybe he has this chip on his shoulder because he's
Speaker 4: never been good enough at home. That's interesting. That's an
Speaker 4: experience my friend has. It's something that you watch Austin
Speaker 4: not along with and you're like, oh, yeah, Julian and
Speaker 4: Paul their whole thing. You know, he was never going
Speaker 4: to be good enough, and I don't know. It's really
Speaker 4: lovely to not only as an audience member feel like
Speaker 4: you know something and you get what everyone's talking about,
Speaker 4: but it's cool to watch a group of people look
Speaker 4: at each other and get it and then be in
Speaker 4: on what they're communicating about, both in what they're saying
Speaker 4: and in what's unsaid. But that comes through the eye
Speaker 4: contact and the nod or the reference to someone like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: he gets it. I loved that, And I think you guys,
Speaker 4: you're all so good together as actors. I really enjoy
Speaker 4: watching this packet dudes hang out. It's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I found in that bar scene my one beef was
Speaker 5: that I wish we all would have had more of
Speaker 5: a reaction to Austin, to Julian sharing the news that
Speaker 5: you guys are going to adopt. However, that's forty four
Speaker 5: year old me having that thought, because the truth is
Speaker 5: at twenty eight that might have been like congrats, dude,
Speaker 5: might have been the entire scope.
Speaker 1: People don't understand the context at that age. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: I think it's also because like I like Julian and
Speaker 5: I want to root from them, like ask about his experience, hype.
Speaker 7: Them up, you know.
Speaker 5: But again that's like the more version of you. I
Speaker 5: think one thing the show has done incredibly well is
Speaker 5: that they have really shown that Nathan has an innate
Speaker 5: talent and an innate value at being an agent, because
Speaker 5: it very easily could have been this like my buddy
Speaker 5: Clay threw me a bone because my career dried up,
Speaker 5: and instead, very efficiently, like they have weaved this sort
Speaker 5: of thread of like Nathan being able to spot things
Speaker 5: in Clay's blind spot, and it's like, so there are
Speaker 5: these good things that are happening that wouldn't be happening
Speaker 5: if Nathan wasn't there, And I just think it's that's
Speaker 5: such a service to the character of Nathan, and it
Speaker 5: also makes Clay look good like Clay identified something in there.
Speaker 5: But again, it's just it just took a little extra
Speaker 5: finessing and it makes that storyline so much more rich
Speaker 5: and valuable because you're like, Okay, now I also understand
Speaker 5: why Nathan would want to do this, like he's seeing
Speaker 5: himself do well like it just I think they really
Speaker 5: nailed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad they gave him a kid that
Speaker 1: Eric client. I guess he looks like a kid to me,
Speaker 1: but that Nathan could relate to so much, and the
Speaker 1: fact that the kid was self aware enough that he's, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing all this stuff. But the conversation and that
Speaker 1: they eventually have you know, where he's talking with it
Speaker 1: both of you or is it just Nathan. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: and he says, don't try and make your kid be
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 5: I think that's on the baseball field when it's just
Speaker 5: he and Nathan, it was.
Speaker 1: Just the two of them. Yeah, yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: appreciated that the extra depth of character, this extra dimension,
Speaker 1: that he wasn't just this cocky kid who's you know,
Speaker 1: a caricature of who Nathan was, but he's aware enough
Speaker 1: to be able to make some offer some advice, and
Speaker 1: you know he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's very two dimensional, but when you
Speaker 5: realize his age and what he's been through, it kind
Speaker 5: of makes sense. Like he's he's a pissed off kid,
Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, So it works because at the start,
Speaker 5: it's like, Oh, he's the bad boy dickhead who drinks
Speaker 5: beers on the baseball field. It's like, oh, dude, come on,
Speaker 5: gave it, give him some shades. But then this episode
Speaker 5: was nice because we did sort of find out like, oh,
Speaker 5: he has baggage and there's a reason he is this way.
Speaker 1: You know, feels juicy too. What's coming up the way
Speaker 1: Nathan said, it's it's gonna make your dad upset, and
Speaker 1: he's like, great, no problem, Yeah, what's coming up next?
Speaker 4: It's an interesting theme though, I mean, even you choosing
Speaker 4: that word rob, it's like, that's what Levin Chloe says
Speaker 4: when she comes to Brooke and Julian's door. You guys
Speaker 4: seem like you have baggage, yeah, which means you're gonna
Speaker 4: understand when this kid makes mistakes. And it's really interesting
Speaker 4: that Ian Kellerman's baggage just reads his bad behavior initially
Speaker 4: to Clay, and Nathan is like, I know what that
Speaker 4: baggage is. He's basically looking at that kid going I
Speaker 4: have a set of that luggage. I know what to
Speaker 4: do with that. And it's a cool runner that they're
Speaker 4: giving these young people to be trying to process us
Speaker 4: their baggage with a group of characters that our audience
Speaker 4: has seen process their own in their youth.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Man, And it's actually very interesting watching the way
Speaker 5: Clay responds to this situation and the way Nathan responds
Speaker 5: to the situation. It feels like the way my brain
Speaker 5: processes things where it's like my first thought is usually
Speaker 5: comes from like ego or fear, and it's like, this
Speaker 5: kid's a dick, he's wasting my time. Like my first
Speaker 5: thought is usually I will make a barrage of assumptions
Speaker 5: to tell myself the full story and validate a feeling.
Speaker 5: And then the second thought is like, but what if
Speaker 5: I don't know what's happening in his life? You know,
Speaker 5: because Clay's understandably so Clay's like he's late, screwm this
Speaker 5: isn't important to him. And then Nathan is like, yeah,
Speaker 5: but if you'd done this, you wouldn't you wouldn't assign me,
Speaker 5: and I would have been a problem, you know. So
Speaker 5: it's kind of cool to watch, like it's sort of
Speaker 5: like the reptilian brain and the evolved brain. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like you don't maybe you don't know every thing
Speaker 5: going on, maybe we explore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very cool.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's get to the baseball try out, because I
Speaker 5: just want to say credit to all of us that
Speaker 5: we made it more than thirty minutes into the episode
Speaker 5: without bringing up the fact we made Julian chase a
Speaker 5: mother flipping butterfly for real. We watched a grown man
Speaker 5: like simple Jack from Chropic Thunder chase a butterfly in
Speaker 5: a field in the middle of a game, and you
Speaker 5: know what, to his credit, he committed one. And it
Speaker 5: was endearing, but like, what the shh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, super silly. It was like Sunday morning comic strip.
Speaker 1: Very silly. Yes, very silly, But in the context of
Speaker 1: our show and all the still the things that we've
Speaker 1: done it, you have to sort of take these moments
Speaker 1: and suspend reality. And so I was like, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: a director, he's going to be drawn by little random
Speaker 1: things like light and birds and butterflies, and of course
Speaker 1: he's going to be distracted. He's a little squirrely. Okay, next,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like really a hat on a hat
Speaker 1: on a hat.
Speaker 4: But you know what I really appreciate about Austin and
Speaker 4: this is even it's funny. I'm just realizing that it's
Speaker 4: sort of a parallel thing to the reference you made
Speaker 4: for Haley earlier. He's not afraid of the Lucille Ball comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like he's so unbothered about expectation, any of it. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like Austin was the guy ripping six foot waves
Speaker 4: with his toenails painted. When we were all in Wilmington,
Speaker 4: people were like, we don't know what to make of
Speaker 4: this dude who's like so tall and so handsome and
Speaker 4: like manly, but who who is like, yeah, you want
Speaker 4: to put eyeline around me, you want to paint my
Speaker 4: nails whatever? Like he just doesn't give a shit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's it's funny to see. And I think you
Speaker 4: said this a while back. Rob, It's like he makes
Speaker 4: all the stuff that I think another young actor might
Speaker 4: have felt dinged by work. It's like how did you
Speaker 4: figure out how to be charming in this thing that,
Speaker 4: like most guys would have been like what the to
Speaker 4: the writers, he was just like.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, if you bring your ego to set, you're
Speaker 5: gonna have a hard time with a lot of Julian stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like the only way to do it and not be
Speaker 5: miserable is to just like leave your ego and your
Speaker 5: trailer and just go out there and just lean into
Speaker 5: the strike zone. You know, yeah, boom baseball pun. I
Speaker 5: like Jamie. The exchange between Ian Kellerman and Jamie was
Speaker 5: was great because I didn't remember that. I'm like, Ah,
Speaker 5: where is this going to go? Is he gonna say
Speaker 5: something inappropriate? But I like that he actually gave him
Speaker 5: real advice.
Speaker 7: And then to.
Speaker 5: Watch Jackson you do what to watch watch Jamie get
Speaker 5: in Clay's kitchen on the Mound was so great.
Speaker 4: It was so funny because I had the same fear
Speaker 4: when when he bent down in front of Jackson and
Speaker 4: started being like, okay, kid, this is what it is.
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh God, is he going to say
Speaker 4: some gross thing about how when you're old enough to drive,
Speaker 4: you can like, you know, take babes out in your car.
Speaker 4: I was like, what, what's coming? It's going to be awful,
Speaker 4: And then it wasn't, and I was pleasantly surprised. I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, maybe Ian Callerman doesn't suck so much.
Speaker 4: Kid Killerman might not be public Enemy number one. And
Speaker 4: then to see an actual kid, do you know, take
Speaker 4: the advice he'd been given and throw you off the
Speaker 4: way you reacted to him, and that close up rob
Speaker 4: was so funny and it just I don't know, the whole,
Speaker 4: the whole, the whole gag of it was great.
Speaker 5: Also the fact that he he being Ian Killerman, rolls
Speaker 5: up in a shiny Porsche. I'm like, isn't this a
Speaker 5: kid who doesn't have a deal yet. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 5: college kid with a father who is a professor, professor,
Speaker 5: single parent income on a professor's salary, and the kid
Speaker 5: has a brand.
Speaker 4: New Port Highlight.
Speaker 1: Is That's so good?
Speaker 5: Like it fits with that type of character. But like,
Speaker 5: I think we're two episodes too early for the Porsche.
Speaker 5: I think you got to sign that deal first and
Speaker 5: then you get yourself the Porsche.
Speaker 4: Yes, so silly, just so silly.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: What I will say was a positive green And I
Speaker 4: have not been tracking when it changed, but I guess
Speaker 4: because we did spend all that time in Brook and
Speaker 4: Julian's bedroom. In the jumping on the bed scene, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, my bedroom's not purple anymore.
Speaker 4: It's green, though, is that true? I'm lovely all green
Speaker 4: and it made me so happy. And I can't remember
Speaker 4: when we changed it, but I do remember eventually winning
Speaker 4: that battle and feeling so thrilled.
Speaker 1: You were like enough with the purple.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't nobody wants to live in this,
Speaker 4: no adult.
Speaker 5: No, You're like, Hi, I am a woman, not Willy Wonka. Yeah,
Speaker 5: can we paint this a reasonable color?
Speaker 4: Yes? I'm not a six year old. I would love
Speaker 4: to not have a unicorn themed bedroom anymore. Thank you
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 1: You know, the whole apartment on Friends was painted purple,
Speaker 1: but the descort was like an anthropology, and they knew
Speaker 1: they it was very upscale, it was very you know, corky,
Speaker 1: and it all worked. But when you try and mix
Speaker 1: that purple with seaside, uh, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: kids call this aesthetic now, granny seaside aesthetic, it just
Speaker 1: is not just not work.
Speaker 4: Coastal grandmother is the term.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wow, didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Crisp white Wine and Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson
Speaker 4: on the beach in all White Coastal.
Speaker 1: Grandmother, Crystal Grandmother, Coastal Grandmother. But in Lavender, it's not
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 4: It was not for me. So that's the green battle
Speaker 4: that I'm quite pleased that.
Speaker 5: We one good for you way to go to battle
Speaker 5: on that hill.
Speaker 1: Thank you with mouth and Millie when he uh, she
Speaker 1: comes home and he's set up the camera and he's
Speaker 1: written stories for me.
Speaker 4: The practice it.
Speaker 1: Like, gosh, it's such a great lesson. Like he feels,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got to feel bummed, he's got to
Speaker 1: feel pushed aside, like you know, he lost the job
Speaker 1: and by accident to his girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come on.
Speaker 1: But instead of sulking, instead of doing anything else that
Speaker 1: or ignoring it or just trying to like pretend like
Speaker 1: he's happy for her, he actually is proactive for his
Speaker 1: for his own self, and like I refuse to allow
Speaker 1: myself to sulk. I refuse to begrudge her this and
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to actively find a way to put
Speaker 1: my body into a place of celebratory a celebratory season
Speaker 1: for her. It was cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really refreshing.
Speaker 5: They yet, by the way, did they have a couple name?
Speaker 5: Because in my notes I said, like, Mouth and Mille
Speaker 5: are adorable. They're such great teammates. They're starting to give
Speaker 5: Brilliant a run for their money. Did Mouth and Milly
Speaker 5: have a couple name.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they could because they had the
Speaker 4: same first initial, so you can't really combo.
Speaker 1: Milf Mythilly or Mouth Melt.
Speaker 4: Like milf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like milf. I think it's milf. That sounds right.
Speaker 5: Another thing I really liked was especially given how unhelpful
Speaker 5: Haley was to Brook with the whole monster in law
Speaker 5: of at all, Like, especially the episode at the Bridal Expo. Remember,
Speaker 5: like Brook calls her down and Haley just completely torpedoes
Speaker 5: her submarine accidentally at every turn because of her hormones.
Speaker 5: I loved that she was the one who saved the
Speaker 5: day in this bridal shower excuse me a baby shower
Speaker 5: scene with her toast, like everyone put the foot in
Speaker 5: it in a massive way, and then the last second
Speaker 5: Hailey kind of sneaks in.
Speaker 6: She's like but.
Speaker 5: Has a lovely toast that sort of saves the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, although she says there's no one to whom I
Speaker 1: trust my child more. And her sister is sitting right there.
Speaker 5: It would have been great if they just cut to
Speaker 5: Chantelle like under her breath, rude being like thanks, offense taken.
Speaker 4: Why did they not cut to her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have been a great extra, a little
Speaker 1: like a rude like I'll explain later, I'll tell you later.
Speaker 4: You know. What's also so funny is, obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: Haley's supposed to be one of many siblings, but for
Speaker 4: most of high school, Hailey was an only child, and
Speaker 4: then they were like, no, no, no, no, she has lots
Speaker 4: of siblings because like all the kids can't be only children.
Speaker 1: But when you.
Speaker 4: Think about it, yeah, like in the experience of our audience,
Speaker 4: Brooke being Jamie's godmother makes so much sense. But in
Speaker 4: the real world, if you were actually best friends with
Speaker 4: your sister, your sister would probably be the god barant
Speaker 4: to your child. And so it's it is a really
Speaker 4: funny thing. Where As the as the years went on
Speaker 4: and our world expanded in season seven and we got
Speaker 4: Quinn and Clay and we got to actually be around
Speaker 4: Hailey's sister, You're like, oh, yeah, this was a there
Speaker 4: was a big hole left here because nobody ever thought
Speaker 4: we'd get this far and now we're here.
Speaker 6: And that she's going to insult her sister and this
Speaker 6: baby shoe on definitely should have been something like oh
Speaker 6: and then you know you travel all the time, or
Speaker 6: just some acknowledgment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I have a question, did we ever, as
Speaker 5: a show, attempt to explain why Quinn wasn't in high
Speaker 5: school with Haley.
Speaker 4: She's supposed to be the older sister.
Speaker 5: So she's okay, so we'ressuming she's at least four years older.
Speaker 1: Than you, but Taylor would have been in high school
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So they hired a girl younger than any of
Speaker 4: us in season seven to play the oldest of all
Speaker 4: the James sisters nice, which literally makes no sense, but
Speaker 4: obviously she was also the best person to play Quinn.
Speaker 4: So here we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Lindsay was. I guess Taylor was two
Speaker 1: years older than Haley.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When we started, we were juniors, right, we started the show,
Speaker 1: we were.
Speaker 4: All Yeah, we started junior year because we could all drive.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. So yeah, I guess we just assumed
Speaker 1: that they were out of high school. We just never
Speaker 1: talked about them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so if Taylor's two years older than Haley, Quinn
Speaker 4: has to be at least three. Yeah, so it's not
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like a ten year age gap
Speaker 4: or anything. But it is funny.
Speaker 1: Well with all these other kids that we never met. Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: It's exactly that thing too, of especially where we all
Speaker 4: were when we were in these seasons. It's like, you're,
Speaker 4: I don't know, twenty eight years old. Probably at twenty eight,
Speaker 4: especially as a girl in our industry, you can either
Speaker 4: play a high school student or someone's mom.
Speaker 1: It's just it's ridiculous on the lighting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's something that I thought was really funny in
Speaker 1: the scene with Clay and Quinn in the car when
Speaker 1: she's being really still and stuff, after everybody's been peppering
Speaker 1: her about the engagement possibility and you're like, what's up.
Speaker 1: You're really quiet, and she says, just thinking about something
Speaker 1: the girls said tonight, and then there's just silence, silence.
Speaker 1: You don't follow up with what was that? You want
Speaker 1: to talk about it? She doesn't elaborate, it's just silence.
Speaker 5: Listen. Active listening is not one of Clay's strongs. Okay,
Speaker 5: he tried. He made one attempt, but that's about all
Speaker 5: you're going to get from oclay, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Or is it just that these two are so comfortable
Speaker 4: with each other that silence is comfortable between them.
Speaker 5: There's also a world in which you ask your partner
Speaker 5: what's up and then they say something someone said. If
Speaker 5: they don't continue to share, you can interpret that as
Speaker 5: they don't want to talk about it right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess that's true.
Speaker 5: If you have an open dialogue with your person, then
Speaker 5: that's sort of a way of going like, oh, they
Speaker 5: don't seem like they want to Yeah, you know, download
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 4: Okay. I think what felt nice about it was you
Speaker 4: guys felt so at ease, and then I didn't really
Speaker 4: know where it was going to go. When she's like, wait, wait,
Speaker 4: pull over, I was like, oh God, it started to
Speaker 4: seem like it's something wrong, and I know they wanted
Speaker 4: to flash back to you know, the in between world
Speaker 4: or whatever we want to call it. But what I
Speaker 4: liked was that it ended. That scene ended kind of
Speaker 4: the way that silence felt in the car for me.
Speaker 4: You guys just seem really solid and comfortable, and that
Speaker 4: was nice to see.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: What was that place?
Speaker 5: Same? I was like, what where are we going? What?
Speaker 5: And then it's just kind of odd because it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is the place I wanted to take. So I'm
Speaker 5: like it was this like a botanical garden that Clay
Speaker 5: had seen one day. I didn't know. Listen, it made
Speaker 5: for a beautiful setting.
Speaker 1: But you guys had never been there in real life,
Speaker 1: only in the in between, right crooky upside down?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 1: Strange and that she would recognize it at.
Speaker 4: Nighttime and with Twinkie lights.
Speaker 1: They put a lot of twinkle lights up. That was
Speaker 1: a lot of time, by the.
Speaker 4: Way, I wondered, but she said pull over, so I
Speaker 4: was like, well, it can't be. But when she's like,
Speaker 4: you know, just something the girls said and we all
Speaker 4: know it's about getting engaged, and then you guys are
Speaker 4: walking through a fairy forest, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: is Clay about to propose? And then I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: I directed that episode where you do that, so I
Speaker 4: should know that it's not in my brain. I was like,
Speaker 4: what is happening because it looks like a proposal.
Speaker 5: Scene does one hundred percent? I like, you, I know
Speaker 5: how I remember very clearly our proposal, and yet I went,
Speaker 5: did Clay have like a romantic thing planned here? Because yeah,
Speaker 5: there's some strong cheese, all that vibes going on. Oh yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm feeling a gesture. Nailed it and no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just pretty lights at night.
Speaker 5: Julian Brooke got their habby baby.
Speaker 4: I got so emotional at the end those Yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: I know, it's so sweet.
Speaker 1: I did not know where she was going with that speech.
Speaker 1: I genuinely thought they had this girl come all the
Speaker 1: way down here just to tell them. No, man, I
Speaker 1: going to justify that.
Speaker 5: Like this could have been a text message.
Speaker 1: Well not back then. I guess that's true. Phone call. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the speech turned pretty quickly to good news.
Speaker 4: I know it's sweet and it's interesting too. So I
Speaker 4: like that you didn't really know where it was going
Speaker 4: when she came to the door, and that I wasn't
Speaker 4: sure what was going to happen at the end of
Speaker 4: the shower either.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But what I loved getting to see sort of similarly
Speaker 4: now that I think about it, to Nathan knowing how
Speaker 4: to advocate for Ian Kellerman, I liked seeing these two
Speaker 4: women standing in Brook's bedroom with this photo of Brook
Speaker 4: from high school. It felt like they were reaching across
Speaker 4: their life stages to each other in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean she recognized herself in that photo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I liked that in the same way that
Speaker 4: we got to see Brooke talk to Julian about the
Speaker 4: bachelorette party and just saying, I don't know what I
Speaker 4: don't know, but essentially what I do know is that
Speaker 4: I always want us to be honest with each other.
Speaker 4: I like that this young girl was like, I get judgment,
Speaker 4: and that Brooke looks at her and says, but I'm nineteen,
Speaker 4: I should know better, and then is honest with her
Speaker 4: and tells her about her life and her journey and
Speaker 4: all the things she used to not know, but how
Speaker 4: she's always known this. It's like, I don't know, it
Speaker 4: felt it felt really lovely, and maybe it hit me
Speaker 4: a little harder because we had talked about it from
Speaker 4: the hen Night episode, but it I don't know. It
Speaker 4: just feels really cool to see some of our characters
Speaker 4: look backwards and you get to see how far they've come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, And it's always nice when
Speaker 1: they do that. I mean, it's kind of the same
Speaker 1: thing they were doing with Nathan and Ian Kelen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where they're just reminding you, hey, audience, we're bringing in
Speaker 1: this sort of younger version of these people, so you
Speaker 1: can see how far our characters have grown. So that
Speaker 1: was a good point. I didn't think about that, the
Speaker 1: way that the two of them. She kind of mirrored
Speaker 1: Brook and he mirrored Nathan. That's nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of cool to see it and to go, wow,
Speaker 4: these people really have grown. And then I guess at
Speaker 4: the end of the episode, we know the boys are
Speaker 4: going to advocate for Ian, and Chloe shows up and says,
Speaker 4: I want to pick you guys, and you go like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, we're really in these milestone moments here. Special.
Speaker 5: There's a vibe right now where you can kind of
Speaker 5: tell the writer's room is like, is this going to
Speaker 5: be our last season because everyone is kind of ramping
Speaker 5: up to a happy ending right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we thought it was yeah, because.
Speaker 5: At this point we didn't know. So it's like they
Speaker 5: were doing their due diligence of like, all right, if
Speaker 5: this is the end of it, then let's make sure
Speaker 5: we're in a position to give everyone, you know, a
Speaker 5: satisfying send off. Yeah, all right movie Mama asks if,
Speaker 5: as a parent and uncle bonus whatever, you could impart
Speaker 5: one lesson onto the kids, what would that lesson be
Speaker 5: and why do you think that particular lesson is the
Speaker 5: most important?
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so huge, that's such a massive Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a big one.
Speaker 5: I think mine would be something along the lines of
Speaker 5: just do you you know, because I know for myself,
Speaker 5: I spent so much of my life trying to just
Speaker 5: figure out what I thought other people wanted me to be,
Speaker 5: and as opposed to just being like, this is who
Speaker 5: I am, I'm going to show up as this, And
Speaker 5: I think I would have saved myself boy a lot
Speaker 5: of headaches and wasted energy had someone just been like, hey, Bud,
Speaker 5: you're great, You're enough.
Speaker 4: Just do you Yeah? I remember, you know, getting asked
Speaker 4: something like this when we were filming, and yeah, it's
Speaker 4: ironic that you choose that word, rob because I remember
Speaker 4: I remember saying it and then thinking, oh God, am
Speaker 4: I saying that for someone? Or am I saying that
Speaker 4: because I maybe always needed to hear it to not
Speaker 4: worry so much about being someone else's definition of enough.
Speaker 4: You know, when you're young, you don't really you don't
Speaker 4: have anything to necessarily understand yourself up against, which is
Speaker 4: sort of the point, right, there's only one you. And
Speaker 4: it's interesting that in my twenties I wish I could
Speaker 4: have had that, and so maybe that's why I've repeated
Speaker 4: it into my forties. But when I think about really
Speaker 4: little kids, you know what was so special for all
Speaker 4: of us about having Jackson on set, and you know
Speaker 4: now that everyone has children in their lives, it's like
Speaker 4: my wish for them would almost be that younger version
Speaker 4: of the same energy, which is, you're safe here and
Speaker 4: you're seen. You can express anything, and let's figure out
Speaker 4: how to express in the healthiest of ways, you know,
Speaker 4: where they feel empowered to say what they need to
Speaker 4: be brave, or to say the other brave thing, which
Speaker 4: is like I don't want that. I don't know, I
Speaker 4: don't want to try that. And yes, I might be
Speaker 4: encouraged to at some point, like really just to not
Speaker 4: shrink themselves, because I wonder if you had more of
Speaker 4: that when you were really little, if by the time
Speaker 4: you were in your twenties like we all were at
Speaker 4: this point, you might you might not even be so
Speaker 4: worried about the enoughness that we were all clearly questioning.
Speaker 1: Then that's safety is such a big it's such a
Speaker 1: big thing. I mean, that's the thing that causes us
Speaker 1: to make mistakes or not make mistakes, Like the fear
Speaker 1: of making a mistake and trying to be perfect you
Speaker 1: is because essentially we don't feel safe that we can
Speaker 1: just mess up and be ourselves. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: truly think that what you decide what you think about
Speaker 1: God affects everything else in your life. Everything else bleeds
Speaker 1: out from that fundamental place. So my advice would be
Speaker 1: to pursue that above everything else, Like, make decisions about
Speaker 1: what you believe in, what you think about that, And
Speaker 1: if you can find that place of safety, then everything
Speaker 1: feels free. You don't have to worry all the time
Speaker 1: about like if you're performing well enough, if you are enough,
Speaker 1: if you're accepted. If you are you're accepted, and you're safe.
Speaker 1: So everything else can just come out of a place
Speaker 1: of curiosity and gratitude. But if you don't make a
Speaker 1: decision about that, then I think there's just constant chaos.
Speaker 1: That's been my experience anyway, great question, movie, Mama.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's spin a wheel. Most likely to stay calm
Speaker 5: during a crisis. Immediate character answer is Dan Scott. Yeah,
Speaker 5: probably because he's the one who started the crisis, but
Speaker 5: he is definitely the eye of the storm.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's my default. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: guys feel when crisis things happen. It's probably from like
Speaker 1: childhood trauma. Like I just immediately go into like I.
Speaker 4: Will handle this.
Speaker 1: I must be in control, so I tend to settle.
Speaker 1: It's like go way down when there's some sort of crisis.
Speaker 1: How do you guys handle emergency situations?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get a similar. Everything kind of gets stripped away,
Speaker 5: like it gets pretty like nuts and bolts, just what
Speaker 5: need like what needs to happen, you know, I think, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I kind of slowed down, Which is funny
Speaker 5: because there are very small things that will happen around
Speaker 5: the house that I will be so tight and like
Speaker 5: worked up over, but then when something huge happens, it's
Speaker 5: like okay, X and then Y and then Z, Yeah
Speaker 5: it's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4: I'm exactly the same. It's like a noise at a
Speaker 4: pitch that is hard for me, makes me feel like
Speaker 4: someone is carving into my bones. But like there could
Speaker 4: be a natural disaster and I am like, got it.
Speaker 4: I can organize the team. This is what we're doing.
Speaker 4: You three have a job. You two have a job.
Speaker 4: This person's doing this. I'm gonna go do this. Everybody
Speaker 4: stay calm, keep your voice. And it's the weirdest thing,
Speaker 4: but I yeah, I don't know if that comes from,
Speaker 4: you know, having been a camp counselor or what. But
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't stress when something enormous is happening,
Speaker 4: but small, small things going wrong can like really trip up.
Speaker 1: Especially when it's like one after another in a day
Speaker 1: and they're just dumb little things. But yeah, it starts
Speaker 1: to great on your nerves harder.
Speaker 5: All right, next week episode No, what have we got
Speaker 5: to see? Season eight, episode seventeen, The Smoker, you get
Speaker 5: the player, you get interesting attempt at a sentence.
Speaker 4: I'm going to need some information as to how that
Speaker 4: made it.
Speaker 1: Give me a little context here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well guess what you got to tune in next
Speaker 5: week for that context is coming at you.
Speaker 4: But you have to wait.
Speaker 5: Come back, Thanks everybody, lady, see you later.
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