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Speaker 1: to investigate this case where a funeral home is running

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Speaker 1: you that are listening right now. Have you ever lost

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Speaker 1: someone so dear to you you can barely think about it? Well?

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Speaker 1: I have many times. Straight out to John Limley, Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter, joining me along with Joseph Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcock, lawyer and child advocate, and our death care

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Speaker 1: law expert. Special guest joining me, Wendy Weener. Thank you

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Speaker 1: man seventy eight years old. He had been battling brain

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Speaker 1: Donor Services. This is a what's called a body brokerage

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Speaker 1: just visually imagining you know, Wendy. Now, I know this

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Speaker 1: take it away, right Rex Dunlamp. This man in Colorado

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Speaker 1: way they've treated these last wishes. John Lemley, I still

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Speaker 1: she operated Sunset Mesa funeral home and crematory. This is

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Speaker 1: to think that someone could possibly do that to my father. Oh,

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Speaker 1: dear Lord in heaven. Oh, I don't want to hear that,

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Speaker 1: but I've heard it now and I cannot unhear it.

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Speaker 1: Is it true? Tell me what you think about this.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Wiener, death care law expert. Wendy, there is also

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Speaker 1: all day, actually going from flop house to flop house

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Speaker 1: to here to there to find this one girl, uh,

429
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Speaker 1: that was thirteen. And we finally found her and I

430
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: went in to the motel room and there were like

431
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Speaker 1: five women sitting around. I came back out to my

432
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: investigator said, Ernest, there's not a kid in there. They're

433
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: all like thirty five years old. He went, No, go

434
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: back in. It's the girl and the white boots. I

435
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 1: went in. This girl who was thirteen with the we've

436
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: and the eyelashes, in the high heeled boots. She looked

437
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: like she was thirty five. I'm not kidding. In this case,

438
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: it's the exact opposite. We police break into that home,

439
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the children are so starved. There's a child in their

440
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: twenties that they think is about ten years old. I mean,

441
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert joining me, professor of forensics

442
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, how can a twenty something look

443
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: like their ten? Well, Nancy, when when we're deprived of

444
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: everything that we need in this world, water, food, hey,

445
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: even sunlight and movement. Uh, it wears on the body.

446
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: It wears. It actually accelerates to a great degree aging.

447
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: And can you imagine these precious children being held captive

448
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: in this environment essentially deprived of all of these things

449
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: that you know that keep us going at a scientific level,

450
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: at a biological level, but also just this soul crushing

451
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: environment where it's just I mean, can you imagine it's

452
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: like being a prisoner of war where there's no hope,

453
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: there's absolutely no hope whatsoever. You know, they were they

454
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: home schooling, I mean, how did they How do you

455
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: have this many children and nobody notices they only come

456
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: out at not and no offense to the neighbors. But

457
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: if I repeatedly see children digging through trash, I'm going

458
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: to report it. Ellen, do you could you please roll

459
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: the neighbors. The older kids, they I thought they were

460
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Speaker 1: like twelve because they look so maltna, so pale. I'm

461
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: surprised there was thirteen people. They're like, I don't even

462
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: know who that. I thought they had like three kids.

463
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: They're small there. They didn't like, they didn't try to

464
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: communicate with other people. They weren't looking around, they would

465
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: look down at heartbreaking and to now to know that

466
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: there were that much kids in there and not even

467
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: know about it, then it's like, I wish there was

468
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: something that community could have done. Guilt and you can't

469
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: but feel that that this was going on. I mean,

470
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: if we had known, we would have turned this in

471
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: a lot sooner. You darn't right, I'm going to report it.

472
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: John Limley, Crime Stories investigative reporter. What did you say

473
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Speaker 1: about a neighbor saw them digging through trash but thought

474
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: they looked like they were having fun. Yeah, it was

475
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: just so out of place in this neighborhood that they

476
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: couldn't even fathom the fact that they might really be

477
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: searching for something to eat. John Lily, I'm looking at

478
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: their home. It looks like kind of a Mediterranean type

479
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: home with a nice front yard. Perfect grass, perfect shrubs.

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00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: They you know, the kind of a red roof with

481
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: the individual shingles up there like mediterranean, A two car

482
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: garage and enclosed front door, a big window in the front, manicured.

483
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: I mean, but now I know it's anything. But what

484
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Speaker 1: would you say? The parents? Um? But at lea should

485
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486
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Speaker 1: It's a house of horrors, and I don't understand how

529
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Speaker 1: outwardly it could look so normal, but inside the children

530
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,440
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00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: seen video of the mother and dad renewing their vows

532
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533
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534
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: began investigating this case, and I wouldn't let myself think

535
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Speaker 1: about my own children. I mean, just today I practically

536
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Speaker 1: had to I had to chase John David to put

537
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Speaker 1: make him put chapstick on. Okay, I had to chase him, Ashley,

538
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Speaker 1: because I was so worried that his lips might hurt

539
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Speaker 1: during school. Okay, and these children are chained to their bed.

540
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean, how could relatives not know, Ashley, somebody knew.

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Speaker 1: I do not, absolutely do not believe that no one knew, or,

542
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: like you said the neighbors, when you see these things happen,

543
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: this is what kills me. So many people say, oh,

544
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: defacts dropped the ball, the state agency didn't do what

545
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: they were supposed to. Well guess what if nobody reports

546
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: these things to them, they don't even have an opportunity

547
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: to step in and investigate all of the things that

548
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: have already been said before. Emaciated the neighbors said, they

549
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: looked emaciated. I'm like you, a, I can't imagine any

550
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: of these things happening to my children, much less doing

551
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: them be If I see children like that, I call

552
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: and make a referral because it's the right thing to

553
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: do to protect children, and nobody did it. I do

554
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: not believe relatives didn't know. There's no way you do

555
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: not torture twelve children like this without somebody knowing something's

556
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: wrong in that house, and everybody failed to protect. Let

557
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: me understand something else has a homeschooling thing or exactly,

558
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: and let me tell you something I have um a

559
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: cousin who lives in Florida, and she home schools for

560
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: children because she did not think they were getting the

561
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: education she wanted them to get in public school. These

562
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: children can quote Shakespeare. They're in elementary grades and I

563
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: mean they're way, way educated past their grade school. Okay,

564
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: So I'm not knocking homeschooling. That's not where I'm coming from.

565
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: But this is my question, Ashley Willcott, how do you

566
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: home school and nobody ever comes from the state to

567
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: check it out. I mean, I could say I'm homeschooling

568
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: and we could, you know, lay around and watch Murdoch

569
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Mysteries all day on Amazon. I mean, how do they

570
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: regulate homeschooling. I'm amazed at what they don't do to regulate.

571
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: So in the state of Georgia specifically, you go in

572
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace and say, I'm going to homeschool my children. Okay,

573
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: still out this form, that's one page. Okay, do that.

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00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: Lucy and John David are now going to be homeschooled.

575
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm gonna do, and I'm gonna do it. Well,

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00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the end of it. There is no regulation,

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00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: there is no checking to see what are you teaching them?

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00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: There's no curriculum that is one that you have to

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Speaker 1: confirm or verify your teaching, So, at least in the

580
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: state of Georgia, anybody can say their homeschool and their children,

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00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: whether they're actually educating their children or not. So I

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00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: would not assume that these twelve siblings that were padlocked

583
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: to beds have been educated. You know, I'm just overwhelmed.

584
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: Some of the neighbors didn't even know that the family

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Speaker 1: had children. Hello, there's thirteen of them. Now. The reason

586
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: you're hearing some of us say thirteen and some of

587
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: us say twelve, because when cops got there, there were

588
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: twelve there, which I'm going to explain to you. But

589
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: John Limley, investigative reporter, how is it some neighbors didn't

590
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: even know that there were children. Hello, there's thirteen of

591
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: them in there. This is testament to how little these children,

592
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: some of these adult children were let out of the house.

593
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: They were essentially prisoners in their own home. And it

594
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: was not until their seventeen year old sister, who fled

595
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: the home and alerted cops. It was not until she

596
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: took this brave move that there was any idea that

597
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: anything was really wrong, and that's when the police found

598
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: this family of children uh padlocked to their beds. Uh dirty,

599
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: starving padlock and filthy, filthy, filthy and starving, Ellen Deep,

600
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: could you please roll police? A seventeen year old rold

601
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: called nine one one from a deactivated cell phone and

602
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: reported that her siblings were being held against their will

603
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: and some were chained. Deputies met with that seventeen year

604
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: old nearby, and she explained that she had escaped through

605
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: a window from from that residence. Seventeen year old also

606
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: showed some photos uh that led the deputies to believe

607
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: that information she was provided was accurate. Deputies and a

608
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: supervisor responded to that location conducted a welfare check to

609
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: check on the additional siblings in that home. There are

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Speaker 1: a total of thirteen siblings located, six of which were

611
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: under the age of eighteen. Um deputies. When they arrived

612
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: inside the house, they noticed that the children were malnourished,

613
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: it was pretty dirty and the conditions were horrific, Allen.

614
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: When the seventeen year old girl made it to police,

615
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: they thought she was ten years old. She did not

616
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: look like she was seventeen. As the Morgan said, you

617
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: deny them water and food, They're going to age very quickly.

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00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at these the photos of their

619
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: their vowel renewal. It's not actually a wedding, but they

620
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: were renewing their vowels. They looked like they were happy

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00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: and happy a good time. Which actually think, did this

622
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: horror just started the last year or two? Oh no, no,

623
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: there's no way. It just it just because remember the

624
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: neighbors had no that had lived there for years, had

625
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: no idea that children were even in there. So as

626
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: she Wilcott, I want to go to you and Joseph

627
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. First to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics

628
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University. Joe Scott, what do you have

629
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Speaker 1: to do for a seventeen year old girl to be

630
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: starved down to have the appearance of a ten year old, Well,

631
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Speaker 1: it's deprivation, deprivation of basic necessities. Nancy, and I agree

632
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: with Alan. This is not something that you know, just

633
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: kind of occurred in a vacuum in a short period

634
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: of time. This is something that has gone on forever.

635
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: And the reason when they're talking about her her appearance

636
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: as a young child, I think at least that they're

637
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that we appear diminutive. And as

638
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: we all know, if we have children, there is a

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Speaker 1: growing curve that these kids are on. There's an expectation

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna meet nutritionally to help them grow. And

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Speaker 1: my suspicion is, my suspicion is is that they had

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Speaker 1: not in methides. If they're if they're keeping food away

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Speaker 1: from her and these other children, they might very well

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Speaker 1: appear to be diminutive. They're they're not gonna be muscled,

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Speaker 1: their bone growth that's gonna be compromised, and even down

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Speaker 1: to things like like their teeth. Uh. I'm not just

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Speaker 1: talking about miscare where they're rotten. I'm talking about where

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Speaker 1: bad nutrition promotes things like teeth falling out um, and

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Speaker 1: there's all kinds of other health issues here that it

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Speaker 1: just really it makes me sit back and just scratch

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Speaker 1: your heads. How can you sit there, How can you

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Speaker 1: sit there living in this house and watch this happen

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Speaker 1: to your kids beyond the panel and they were filthy, filthy,

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Speaker 1: starved and chained to the bed. And Ashley Wilcott, I

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Speaker 1: hope you're sitting down. You may need to lie down

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Speaker 1: for this one, Ashley. They're not like people that don't

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Speaker 1: know better. The husband was had actually worked as a

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Speaker 1: successful engineer and was earning about a hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: grand a year. His wife was listed as a homemaker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are educated people, Ashley. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: they had a break with reality. So I know that

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Speaker 1: the records indicate they declared bankruptcy. They have become sadistic

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Speaker 1: tortures of these children that clearly it doesn't happen in isolation.

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Speaker 1: These are not I can tell you statistically in the

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Speaker 1: many many cases that I've worked and that I've seen,

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Speaker 1: this does not happen one time and oh one night

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Speaker 1: we've had like our children to the bed, and this

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Speaker 1: is how the children now look. This is years of

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Speaker 1: statistic abused by these parents. And so one of the

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Speaker 1: lessons to be learned from this is child abused crosses

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Speaker 1: all demographics. It can be educated individuals, rich individuals, poor individuals.

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Speaker 1: It crosses every demographic. And here's a prime example. They're

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Speaker 1: educated earners and look what they're doing to their children.

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Speaker 1: So to you, John Limy, Crime Stories investigative reporter, what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen to these parents? I hope they rotten,

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Speaker 1: held shade to their beds and starved well. They have

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Speaker 1: been charged with torture and child endangerment UH. David Alan Turpin,

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Speaker 1: the father, is fifty seven years old, his wife forty

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Speaker 1: nine year olds, Louise Anna Turpin um As it's been

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Speaker 1: revealed of the parents followed for bankruptcy UH. He had

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Speaker 1: gone through a couple of engineering jobs. It's interesting to

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Speaker 1: point out that even family members didn't realize what was

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Speaker 1: going on. David's parents, James and Betty Turpin, said they

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Speaker 1: were surprised and shocked at the news about their own grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: This couple, they lived in West Virginia, said they had

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Speaker 1: not visited the family for four or five years, but

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Speaker 1: had spoken to them on the phone, although not with

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Speaker 1: their grandchildren. What I know is one neighbor said that

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Speaker 1: the mother, Louise Turpin, was smirking when the cops shut up,

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Speaker 1: and that she quote spat on the floor twice in

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Speaker 1: front of the cops when they arrived to raid the

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Speaker 1: home and save the children, and those children would still

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Speaker 1: be in that home starving right now. Is you and

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Speaker 1: I go about our business today, working, taking care of

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Speaker 1: our children, planning this and that and those children just

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Speaker 1: sitting there where at their stomachs in pain, the gnawing hunger.

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Speaker 1: Chained to a bed, she spat on the floor as

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Speaker 1: the cops showed up at her door with a smirk

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Speaker 1: on her face. Well maybe that's smart. Will be wiped

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Speaker 1: off her face behind bars right now. It's a nine

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Speaker 1: million dollar bill and I can only say I think

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Speaker 1: it's too low. We do need to acknowledge the courage

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Speaker 1: of a young girl who escaped from that residence to

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Speaker 1: bring attention so they could get the help that they

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Speaker 1: so needed. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,