1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful, young twenty two 2 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: year old girl missing her family now telling us she 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: was taken against her will. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 4 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. First of all, 6 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at k MPH Fox. 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: This is the flyer. They are posted all over town. 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Her family and friends have also been sharing them online. 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: I saw by the convenience store where she was last seen, 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: and I was trying to get surveillance video. Wasn't able 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: to but a woman there overheard me asking and said 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: she had just been handed one of these. So we 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: know they're getting around and they are people out there 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: keeping an eye out. But the Summa Police Department also 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: emailed a notice out this evening. Fight all of that effort, 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: still no sign of Jalissa Puenttos. Do this morning the 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Selma police problem, which is asking for the public's help 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: finding a missing woman. Twenty two year old Julissa Fuenttos 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: was lasting on Sunday around four am in Selma. Police 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: say she drives this car here, a silver Hunday with 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: tinted rear windows. Now you see the car in this 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: picture on your screen. Now you have seen Fuintas or 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: have any information about her whereabouts, you are asked to 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: call the Selma Police Department and also hearing our friends 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: at KFSN in the search for this young woman is 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Jalisa with me an all star panel to make sense 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But first of all, 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: let me go out to climoline dot com investigative reporter 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: Dave mac Dave. I understand that there is a convenience 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: store involved, but no surveillance video or is there surveillance video, Yancy? 31 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: There is surveillance video the AMPM convenience store that shows 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Julissa in the shows her in the parking lot out 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: round where she parks her car, shows her inside the store, 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: and shows her leaving. That's why we have a really 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: good timeline of her around four h six am. Well, 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct. Take a listen our forensic k SE. 37 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: Jelisa was last seen at this AMPM at Highland and 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: Nebraska Avenues in Selma last Sunday. Here's Surveland's video from 39 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: that day. Jolisa pulls up at four or four am, 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: and she's back in her twenty eleven silver Hundai Accent 41 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: by four oh six am. But then she drives off 42 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: and makes a left on Nebraska Avenue. Her parents say 43 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: she lives with Grandma and she should have made a 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: right turn to go back home. We don't know why 45 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: she turned left. Yeah, I was convinced through a surveillance video, 46 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: Dave Matt, but the first report says she couldn't see it, 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: which I found really interesting. You know what, Dave mac 48 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: we have had so Minik says, where surveillance video at 49 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: a convenience store has really started a timeline. It's incredible 50 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: how often that happens. And that's exactly what we have here, Nancy. 51 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Without this, we wouldn't have a firm understanding of what 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: was happening with Jolisa at that time. The actual video 53 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: shows her pulling in, it shows if there are any 54 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: cars around her, it shows if there's anybody watching following 55 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: her inside the store, and it shows her leaving. That's 56 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: why we know that when Julissa Flinte left the AMPM 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: convenience store, she actually went to the left, which meant 58 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: to her family that she was not going back home 59 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: to grandma's house because she would have turned right to 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: go to her grandmother's and that's why that left turn 61 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: is so significant, you know, Dave Mack specifically speaking of 62 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: a case that you and I worked on, Chase Master, remember, 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: had come home from either Iraq or Afghanistan, had PTSD 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: big time, and he had been working at a It 65 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: was a quick trip, wasn't it, Jackie. And that it's 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: like a little subculture there generally, you know, where you 67 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: work turns into a little society in itself. And he 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: had been back and forth there, and the video surveillance 69 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: of him there the evening he disappeared really was an 70 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: integral part in piecing together a timeline. And we've seen 71 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: it over and over and over. I know you remember 72 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Shasta Gronie. Shasta and her little brother Dylan were kidnapped 73 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: from their home in Encourage, Delaine, Idaho, where there is 74 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: no ring camera, there's no toll booth, there's no red 75 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: light cam. But months later we had been airing it 76 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: almost every night about Shasta, Grownie and Dylan. A woman, 77 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: a cashier, recognized Shasta and we've seen the video a 78 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: million times, walking subserviently behind her kidnapper, who also murdered 79 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: her brother. Right in front of her, and that's how 80 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: she was found. So I can't stress enough how important 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: this surveillance video is in this case. Dave, Matt and Athi, 82 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: It's interesting that I saw the same thing you did 83 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: when I was watching the video. I was looking to see, 84 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: was there somebody in the parking lot at the AMPM? 85 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: Was there somebody in the store. Well, there is somebody 86 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: inside the store that is also walking around. Again, we're 87 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: talking about four o'clock in the morning here. The thing 88 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: is is the person that is seen inside the store 89 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: isn't seen like tracing her tracking or rather when it's 90 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: when Jalisa leaves the AMPM, that that's where our last 91 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: visual contact with her ends. She actually makes that left 92 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: hand turn. So the family is concerned because of the 93 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: direction she goes and that means a lot to them. 94 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: And if she turns back right to go back George 95 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: Grandma's house, that gives us a better idea of what 96 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: could have happened. But this case, she goes left and 97 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: we have no idea why you know. To our special 98 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: guest joining us, doctor Jeff Gardier, longtime colleague and friend, 99 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: Doctor Gardier, Board certified psychologist, Professor of behavioral medicine at 100 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Turo and author of Oh my Goodness, so many great books, 101 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: including Practical Parenting, which I love, Doctor Garder, I hate 102 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: to single it out of all your books you've written, 103 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: But Jeff Gardier, I want to talk to you for 104 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: a moment about why we're so concerned that this young 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: girl turns left. Okay, let me give you an example. 106 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: The other day, I had gone out jogging, and I 107 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: had been gone forty minutes, and not only did it 108 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: start writing, which was no problem, but then it started 109 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: lightning really badly, and I mean like cracking lightning. So 110 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I called David and said a voicemail. Of course, why 111 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: does nobody pick up when you're in trouble? I left 112 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: a message, come get me. I'm out in lightning and 113 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: I need to get home. I've already been gone almost 114 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: an hour at that point. Anyway, Jeff, he went my 115 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: normal rap because normally I turned left to go walking 116 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: or jogging. That day, I turned right. It took him 117 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty more minutes to even find me because I went 118 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: against my regular routine. Right See. And that's why when 119 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: Julissa turns left, everybody goes, what that's not correct? She 120 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: never does that it's actually very significant. Absolutely, we are 121 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: creatures of habit. We adapt and almost become habitual to 122 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: the regular routes that we take. It becomes ingrained, almost 123 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: in our dna. We do it in our sleep. That's 124 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: one thing. But the second thing that's just as important 125 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: is and the point you bring up with David, is 126 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: we take these routes, we do the things that we 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: normally do because it's a clear signal to the to 128 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: our loved ones that everything is okay. And so if 129 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: we go astray or if we take a route that 130 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: is somewhat different, we may not think twice about it, 131 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: but certainly for our loved ones, it alerts us as 132 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: to wait a minute, this is not what this person 133 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: has been doing for the past five years, ten years, 134 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. And even if nothing is wrong, 135 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: it just that it just rings every alarm bell possible. 136 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: It really does, Jeff Gardier, you and I talked about it. 137 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: In so many cases where we rely on routine evidence. 138 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: I don't mean typical evidence evidence of routine crime stories. 139 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we're talking about this precious young woman, 140 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: just twenty two years old, just the apple of her 141 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: families eye and she's missing and they're desperate. We want 142 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: to help. The tipline for Julissa Flintes is five five 143 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: nine eight nine one two two forty three repeat five 144 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: five nine eight nine one two two forty three. What 145 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: more do we know? Take a listen to our friends 146 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: at k MPH Fox. My granddaughther, Julissa find has went 147 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: to a friend's house in Selma Saturday night and left 148 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: around three am. She stopped by home, but went out 149 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: again to grab a snack from a near by AMPM. 150 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: The store owner told me he gave police surveillance video 151 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: showing Melissa there at four oh six in the morning. 152 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: She added west down Nebraska Avenue when she left, and 153 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone saw her. Hey, you're 154 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: missing you. We know your mommy and we're praying for you. 155 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: She tried calling her sister just before she went to 156 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: the AMPM, and again twice around five thirty, but her 157 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: sister was asleep. So let me understand, Dave Max. She 158 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: went to a friend girls house, and it looked like 159 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: she was probably going to spend the night that night, 160 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: but instead she gets up and decides to go home apparently, 161 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: but first she stops at this AMPM. Is that correct? 162 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: Not exactly ansy what she did, but she left her 163 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: friend's house around three am. She went to her grandma's house, 164 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: and she was at grandma's house, she picked up her 165 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: bag and her purse and some other stuff apparently, and 166 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: it was then that she went from grandma's house to 167 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: the AMPM convenience store at around four am. You're right, 168 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: because I was the king, Dave Mack. What is she 169 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: doing out so early in the morning. Not that that's 170 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: a felony, but that's her not her normal practice. But 171 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: it was, as you correctly said, Dave Mack, she decides 172 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: not to spend the entire night, goes home to Grandma's 173 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: and then goes by the AMPM, grabs her pocketbook and 174 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: goes to AMPM. And I noticed again they're talking about 175 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: why she went in another direction. Tell me what you can, 176 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: Dave mac about Selma, California and the area where they 177 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: live Selma, California is it's a rural area. You know, 178 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: when we tend to think of California, we don't think 179 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: of you know, orchards and things like that. We tend 180 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: to think of cities in southern California. Hold on, just 181 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: a moment. I thought that too until I went to 182 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: go live in Redwood City for the Scott Peterson trial. 183 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: And if you go to Covina, where Lacy and Connor 184 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: and Peterson lived, you go to the end of the 185 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: street and there is like a fence and on the 186 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: other side of the fence are hundreds and hundreds of 187 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: acres of what I think to be all of orchards. 188 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you're right in the middle, just beautiful, beautiful farmland. 189 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: But I think you're right. I think typically people think 190 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: of San Francisco or La and unless you've been there, 191 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: it's hard to take in that it's really like one 192 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: of the cradles of farming for our entire country. So 193 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: this is one of those spots in Selma, California. Correct, 194 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: And that means something here, Nancy. Actually, if you look 195 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: at a map, you're gonna see Selma is in the 196 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: eastern part of the like in the middle of the state, 197 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,359 Speaker 1: in the east. Okay, funny. I'm from Orange County, California, 198 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: which is southern, and so I understand when I talk 199 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: to people and they always have a they have a 200 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: misconception about the area. Here's the deal. There were plenty 201 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: of orchards out here like it is that a faveriantly 202 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: rural area, and she actually, Jalisa, would go and be 203 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: in an orchard area to find what our family referred 204 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: to as peace of mind. There was a very calm 205 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: area for her and it was in an orchard in 206 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: the middle of this area they lived. And so that 207 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: was one of the things the family went to look 208 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: for first where because she is known to do that, 209 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: to go and repair by herself and just chill, and 210 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: so that was what they were looking at to Justin 211 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: Bourdeman joining us, the former Special Victims Unit detective and 212 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: West Valley City author of I Was Wrong, An investigator's 213 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: battlecry for change within the Special Victims Unit. You can 214 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: find it at Justin Bourman dot com. Justin thanks for 215 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: being with us. One reason I like to establish the 216 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: typography where we're talking about is it helps me come 217 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: up with a suspect pool. If you're in New York City, 218 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: basically dangers lurking at every corner. And I lived there 219 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: over twelve years, and you got to really be careful 220 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: in a rural area. You don't really think of danger 221 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: lurking in every red light. This should narrow down the 222 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: search up for suspects. But on the other hand, it 223 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: also widens the possibility of where the victim could be. 224 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely does. And I think that, you know, one of 225 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: the places where I would start looking. Certainly we have 226 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: less suspects in the rural area, right unless it's somebody 227 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: that's wandering through that that may have taken a part. 228 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: But this whole turning left thing to me signals, you know, 229 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: what was you know, maybe what was the purchase is 230 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: you're going to go share stuff beverages with somebody or 231 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: something like that. And maybe she met somebody at her 232 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: friend's house that way, It just seems like she was 233 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: going to go see someone. The friend has been questioned 234 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: and does not mention anything about her leaving with another 235 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: person or a later made up But you're right, those 236 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: are the first people you want to talk to after Grandma. 237 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: What more do we know? Take a listen to our 238 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: friends at K and pH Fox. The family knew by 239 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: that morning something was wrong. As soon as I got 240 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: out of church. I takes her and he said, Delissa, 241 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: who are you? This is? Grandma? Give me a call 242 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: and not and it takes her again and nothingness, And 243 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: I like orch. She always takes his knee back and says, 244 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: grandma'm okay, I'm fine, don't worry, I'll come home. Do 245 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: you never came? When the family calls now, the phone 246 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail. The someone police department considers this 247 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: a missing person's case, explaining to me today, this is 248 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: irregular behavior for Julissa, but so far at the department 249 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: hasn't said anything about foul play. You know what I'm 250 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: hearing right there, Sarah Ford. Sarah Ford is the legal 251 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: by director of South Carolina Victim's Assistants Network, former prosecutor 252 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: focusing on crimes against women. Sarah, I'm listening to what 253 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: the grandma is saying, and it reminds me we have 254 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: to take into account. This was a Saturday night going 255 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: into Sunday morning, so when the grandma gets up to 256 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: go to church, she starts texting and calling, and already 257 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: I believe it was going straight to voicemail. Absolutely, Nancy, 258 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: that's very unusual, especially because Julissa made several calls to 259 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: her sister after she left the convenience store, so we 260 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: know that her phone was working for at least an 261 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: hour and a half or so after she was last seen, 262 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: and then of course that morning, several hours later, it's 263 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: going straight to voicemail. And obviously at that point her 264 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: grandmother knew something, something wasn't quite right. What do we know, 265 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: if anything right now, Dave Mack about potential pings on 266 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: her phone? Where was it last paged? We don't have 267 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: that information yet, Nancy. You know, it takes time sometimes 268 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: for them to figure out what has gone on. But 269 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: something that is interesting to point out is that Jalisa 270 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: tried to call her sister Jackie three different times. One 271 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: was right around four am when she got to the 272 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: AMPM comedience story. The other two calls were back to 273 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: back at five twenty four am and five twenty five am. 274 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: Those were FaceTime calls she tried to make and her 275 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: sister was asleep, so there was no contact there. Now 276 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: we don't know what happened after that. We just know 277 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: that there were those two calls at five twenty four 278 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: and five twenty five am. Hopefully we'll get the data 279 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: from law enforcement sometime in the next couple of days. 280 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about those last calls to the 281 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: sister five five twenty six am. Sister in La did 282 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: not pick it up. I'm very, very curious as to 283 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: why law enforcement it's not releasing the location of the 284 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: last pig. So let's look at the title line. To you, 285 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: Dave Mack, We've got her on video at the am 286 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: PM and that's around four h six am. She's caught 287 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: on video. We know she is alive and calling her 288 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: sister at five twenty five am. Is that the last 289 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: thing we know of her now? This is after leaving 290 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: a party at her friends home. What do we is 291 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: that the last time we know of her? That is now? 292 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: We don't know it was her dialing that phone at 293 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: five twenty four and five twenty five am. We know 294 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: that her phone was used to try to make a 295 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: FaceTime connection with her sister at that time, but we 296 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: don't know it was her. The last time we see 297 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: her as four h six am in her card turning 298 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: left on in Nebraska, and then the two phone calls 299 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: were FaceTime calls at five twenty four five twenty five. 300 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: You know, Sarah Ford, I would like to argue with 301 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Dave Mack about we don't know that was her calling 302 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: her sister. I guess who else will be calling her 303 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: the sister's number at five o'clock, five thirty in the morning. 304 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: But we learn in the Gabby Potito case that her 305 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: killer fiance, Brian Laundry, was actually using Gabby Potito's phone 306 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: after he murdered her to throw off family and potentially 307 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: police from the trail to you know, present that she 308 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: was still alive when he knew he had left her 309 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: body to decompose and disperse camping. So Dave Mack is right, 310 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: you can't assume that this was her. But I mean, 311 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: come on, if you're gonna FaceTime the victim's sister, that 312 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: means your face is going to show up. What idiot 313 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: would do that after wrong doing? Right? Absolutely, And I 314 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: think this is where we can go back to the 315 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: routine of the individual that's missing to Julissa's routine. Did 316 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: she often FaceTime her sister? There's some people who hate FaceTime, 317 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: so if she if she did that, that would be unusual. 318 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: So kind of looking at her phone habits there I 319 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: think is important as well. You know, she often talked 320 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to her sister early in the morning. You know, those 321 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: are certainly things that that I'm questioning as to they 322 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: could potentially help expand this timeline a little bit. Now, 323 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: it's my understanding, Dave that the car she was driving, 324 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: a two thousand eleven gray Hyundai, has not been recovered. 325 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: I find that really interesting. I believe it was an accent. 326 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: It was a two thousand and eleven silver Hunday accent, 327 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: and it hasn't been found, not at all, and no 328 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: sightings either. Okay, that's crazy, guys. Take a listen to 329 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: our friend Marie Edinger at Fox twenty six. We know 330 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: Julissa's character, you know, we know Julissa's character so good 331 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: there was no question when none of us Julissa's family 332 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: and friends spend the day out looking for her. They 333 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: divided up, some driving and there's walking hoping for any sign. 334 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: We're out there searching the country, chin to see if 335 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: we see anything, if we see her card. But it 336 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: hurts because you're helpless, so helpless. Fact, I never felt like, 337 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: give come home, baby. We need to. We want to 338 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: over here, and if somebody has her, please let her go, 339 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: Please let her come home. Also, take a listen to 340 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: Natalie Vera at KSA twenty four. Her left ones. Don't 341 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: think Jolisa would disappear on her own though her phone's 342 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: been off. We've been sending text messages calling it but 343 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: it's been off since Sunday. The funtest say Jolisa's sister 344 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: had two missed FaceTime calls from Jolisa's number at five 345 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: twenty four and five twenty five am. That's about an 346 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: hour and a half after she left the gas station. 347 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: You know, doctor Jeff Guardier, psychologists joining us professor of 348 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: behavioral Medicine at Touro. The fact that the family is 349 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: saying she's never done this before, this is not like her. 350 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: That would be as if everybody was ready to start 351 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: crime stories and I just disappeared. That has never happened, 352 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: and all my years never or didn't show up for 353 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: court for Pete's sake, never happened. A lot of times 354 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: police discount that kind of evidence, but I find it 355 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: very powerful. Jeff Gardier, you can you can hear the 356 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: confidence in her family that are adamant that she is 357 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: a person of habits. She's a good girl. She is 358 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: not veering off into any situations that Mike put her 359 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: in danger, and that's why they were concerned right from 360 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: the very beginning. Look, this is a young person, and 361 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: sometimes we see with young people, you know that they 362 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: may go to a friend's home, power runs out of 363 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: their phone at some point, or they fall asleep, and 364 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: then you know, they can be irresponsible and not say 365 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: anything or not show up until the next day. I 366 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: deal with that all the time with parents in their kids. 367 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: But this family is saying, this is not this young girl. 368 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: That's not what she does. What do we know about her? 369 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: Dave Matt Where does she work or go to school? 370 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: She doesn't go to school. She does have a job, 371 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: and I was looking at earlier they were talking about 372 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: at the like a packing plant, just your regular you know, 373 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: punching and punching out kind of a job. No children 374 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: that we know of, and the closest And this is 375 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: something that I also wanted to point out Nancy. A 376 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, a friend of hers, a very 377 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: close friend of hers, passed away. And this friend was 378 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: somebody that Jalisa would go and out to the orchard together. 379 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: It was their little place of peace and where they 380 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: would just go and hang out. That's why the orchard 381 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: has been such an important part of what they're trying 382 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: to figure out that she has really been missing this 383 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: friend that passed away. Guys, there is a reward take 384 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Liz Gazales at Fox twenty 385 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: six and that was always care of business. Yeah, lost 386 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: can do nothing. A Selma family has been desperately searching 387 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: for a twenty two year old woman who's been missing 388 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: now for nearly three days. That family now offering a 389 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: one thousand dollar reward for anyone who can help them 390 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: find the missing woman, Julissa Fuentes. She was lasting Sunday 391 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: around four in the morning. That reward is now clowned 392 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: to ten thousand dollars and on Facebook you can find 393 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: the search at find Julissa Salentes. Take a listen now 394 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: to our cut thirteen, our friends Marie Anger and others 395 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: at Fox twenty six. The family mentioned Jelissa would often 396 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: go to the orchard in the countryside just to hang 397 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: out and think. They said that she had a friend 398 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: who passed away last month and she would go there 399 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: from time to time with him. They think that may 400 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: have been where she was headed, so she spent They've 401 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time over the past couple of 402 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: days looking out in those orchards, looking in the countryside. 403 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: Of course, no luck so far, and again we want 404 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: to emphasize that police are saying this is completely out 405 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: of character. She does not take off like this for 406 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: days at the time. It's interesting. We know Sarah Ford 407 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: that when she went home after the party at the 408 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: friend's house, it was in the early morning hours. She 409 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: got her purse and some money and left, so we 410 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: know she was in her car with a purse and money. 411 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: None of that has been found. But if a young 412 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: girl is sitting out where she and her friend would 413 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: sit before the friend passed away at six o'clock in 414 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: the morning, and bringing it back to the area where 415 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: it's a lot of farmland and orchards and there are 416 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: migrant workers that work those orchards. If she's sitting out 417 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: there in her car or outside of her car in 418 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: the early early morning hours, but they're just showing up 419 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: to work, that's a problem. It's so important to think about. 420 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: You know, people do see things and they often think 421 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: that what they're seeing is insignificant. But when couples with 422 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, evidence pieces on top of you know, the timeline, 423 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: it's very important that if someone just thought they saw 424 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: someone sitting out there or saw a car leaving it 425 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: at a certain time, that they come forward with that 426 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: information because it says little things that really can can 427 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: help crack a case open when you've really appeared to 428 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: run into a dead end. Here, for one thing I 429 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: think we could be doing justin Boordman is if her 430 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: car has not been found looking at every toll booth, 431 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: at every red light camp leading out of that area 432 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: wherever they start. And that became a significant issue. If 433 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: you recall the case of Alex and Murlog, his wife 434 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: Maggie and son Paul found shot dead at their hunting lodge, 435 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: a lot of money floating around there to have a 436 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: home and a hunting lodge. But into the investigation, Alex 437 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: Murdo claimed someone shot him in the head on a 438 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: rural road. Made no sense. And while we were discussing 439 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: and analyzing, we came up with the idea that cops 440 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: should go all the way down that rural road where 441 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: there is a Baptist church that has a camera to 442 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: see who if anyone turned at that stop sign, And 443 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: that is exactly what they ended up doing. And it 444 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: was determined that Alex Murdog had not been ambush. He 445 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: planned the whole thing. So there may not be ring cameras, 446 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: there may not be a lot of red lights, but 447 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: the in and out, the entrance and the exit to 448 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: those areas need to be canvassed for video surveillance. Yeah. Absolutely, 449 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a great thought. There's another one that 450 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: I think that we haven't chatted about yet either. Although 451 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: SELMA is going to be a smaller police department and 452 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: not have a lot of resources they can bring in 453 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: the state. The state also, UM, like Utah where I policed, UM, 454 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: we had plate scanners, and if you had officers with 455 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: plate scanners and their cars driving around in areas, you 456 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: might locate the vehicle a whole lot faster than how 457 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: we're just seeming like we're waiting right now for to 458 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: show up in an orchard. Also another thought is I 459 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: keep going back to her turning left and possibly meeting 460 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: up with somebody. Do we know anything about dating apps? 461 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: Good question? What do we know, Dave Matt about her 462 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: dating anyone? They haven't released information about that. They haven't 463 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: released information about dating apps, the usage of the computers 464 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: or her cloud. You know, I hate to say I 465 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: assume they have, but you know, you kind of assume 466 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: that they would have been that. You know, they reached 467 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: out to the community for asking people to help with 468 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: getting drones to fly drones over the area, which indicated 469 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: to me, we've got a law enforcement agency that might 470 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: be underfunded a little bit, and they're seeking the help 471 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: from the community. And when they did, the drone community 472 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: came out and they had so many drones up in 473 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: the air. If that car was somewhere on the ground 474 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: that could be seen by a drone, they would have 475 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: had it. The parents, the family begging for help. Take 476 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends a k see twenty four 477 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: and I pray for strength. The funtests are praying for 478 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: good news. We've been here for the past five days searching. 479 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: On Saturday, Jolisa Fuentes loft Ones carried out another search 480 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: for the twenty two year old missing woman, trying to 481 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: find anything anything that any belongs of my daughter, whether 482 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: it was her purse or any of her clothing, her car, 483 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: and I hate to said even my herself. The family 484 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: begging for help. If you know or think you know 485 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: anything about this missing girl, Julissa Fuentes, please doll five 486 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: five nine eight nine one two two three repeat five 487 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: five nine eight nine one two two forty three. There 488 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: is a ten thousand dollar reward, and remember She is 489 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: driving a gray Hyundai ACCT tag number eight mp as 490 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. You seven six six crime stories with Nancy Grace, 491 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: and now he had all the way across the country 492 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: from Selma, California to Illinois the case of another young 493 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: missing woman. Listen, it says her so bad, it really does. 494 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: Jericho lost. She went missing August sixteenth, twenty fifteen. It's 495 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: just heartbreaking. Jericho has been missing her now for all 496 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: or six years, she says. Jericho, who was twenty years 497 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: old at the time, went out for a walk, which 498 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: she did daily, but this time she didn't return home 499 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: and hasn't since on a more time it goes by, 500 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: the more I feel like I'm not going to find her, 501 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: and I really don't know where it began to start over, 502 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, to look for her. You are hearing, Jericha's 503 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: family to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Sydney Sumner, 504 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Jericha's disappearance. Jerica went 505 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: for a walk Sunday evening, which was in the ordinary 506 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: for her. This was something she did every day. Her 507 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: neighbors knew her well because she used to walk the 508 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: neighborhood so often. She said bye to her mom before 509 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: she left, and she never came home. Take a listen 510 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: to our friend Jackie Howard at crime online dot com. 511 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: As you just heard, Jeriica Lass liked to walk. It 512 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: was a regular occurrence for her. As her mother Sanconel 513 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: tells me, Teriica was one hundred and forty pounds. She 514 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: thought she was overweight, so she used to walk for exercise. 515 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: So it wasn't uncommon that she went for walk, you know. 516 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: And my neighborhood, I really thought it was a pretty 517 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: safe neighborhood, so I had no concerns about her going 518 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: full walk. You know, jos on walk and never comes back. 519 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: You know, that's really odd. And you know what it's 520 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: reminding me of justin Boardmand, It's reminding me of Stacy Peterson. 521 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: You remember her married to Drew Peterson, the former cop 522 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: not for her from here, nearly the same area. He 523 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: says that his wife, the mother of his children, just 524 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: leaves a home what on foot, leaving behind all of 525 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: her clothes, all of her stuff, and her car. So 526 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to believe that this young woman Jericho Laws 527 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: just leaves on foot and with the intent I'm never 528 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: coming back right, that's just that's just whacked out. If 529 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: you're not going to come back, you're gonna take a 530 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: few more things with you. Take a listen now to 531 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: our friends at Case Files Chicago. Next day, I want 532 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: to work that morning. And I never really checked her 533 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: room because she always calms in and if she's going somewhere, 534 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: that's going to be out late. Jericho will let me know. 535 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: But dishes were in the same and I should have 536 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: known that something was wrong because she never she washed 537 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: the dishes at night, never leave the dishes sing. Yeah, 538 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: that's another attribute of behavioral evidence, because you know, I 539 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: don't know about you, Sarah Ford, but if my family 540 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: came in our Saint was piled high with dirty dishes, 541 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: they would know something was really wrong. Absolutely, we have 542 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: to look at the patterns of behavior, you know, of 543 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: the individual, and they can really really tell you know 544 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: what what's normal, what's not. And it definitely sounds like 545 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: she went out for a walk and was expecting to 546 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: come back but didn't. And to think that this family 547 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: is still suffering, you know, years later, with no knowledge 548 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: of what happened, none what soever. Well, can you tell me, 549 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: Sidney Summers joining us from crime online dot Com about 550 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: the area where she went missing. Yeah, so this is 551 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: Park Forest, Illinois. It's south of Chicago. It's a little 552 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: suburb they actually call it a village and has that 553 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: few people. Population is about twenty thousand, and it's actually 554 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: less than five square miles of land. So it's a 555 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: pretty tight knit small community, very residential neighborhoods, homes, and 556 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: there's a defining feature of this area is called Old 557 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: Plank Trail that used to be a railroad, but they 558 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: converted it into a nature walk in a bike trail, 559 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: which is where they think Jerisa may have been walking. Okay, 560 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: you're bringing to mind Abbey and Liberty, who went missing 561 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: on a very similar trail, the Trestle Bridge in Delphi. 562 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: So do you think Sydney that this was a place 563 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: that she normally would go? Yes? Yes, definitely. Her mother, 564 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: her sisters, even investigative cops said that all of her 565 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: neighbors knew who Jericha was. She regularly walked around the 566 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood almost every single day. But they actually spent lots 567 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: of time canvassing this area and came up empty handed. 568 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: Every time. It breaks my heart to hear the mother 569 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: speaking but I want you to hear what she tails 570 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: case files Chicago. You know, her being twenty four. He said, 571 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: if she doesn't want to come home, she doesn't have to. 572 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: And I just kept telling him, you don't understand she 573 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: would want to come home. And then of course they 574 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: asked the standard questions, was there any history of domestic violence? 575 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: Does she have a boyfriend? And he just told me 576 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: he'll take the report and put her in a database, 577 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: put a report in a file. That's what they did. Justin, Boardman, 578 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: what is wrong with law enforcement when a young woman 579 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: goes missing? This drives me crazy. They're like, Oh, did 580 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: she have a boyfriend? She's probably taken off with a 581 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: boyfriend or a lover. She just wanted time to think. 582 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: Me time be asked justin, Oh, I absolutely agree with you. 583 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: And we seem to fall into these ruts as law 584 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: enforcement and into some of these sort of false ideas 585 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: of what happens out there. You know, we sometimes get 586 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 1: jaded because we've investigated a lot of mon sort of cases. 587 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: But every case is different, and everyone needs every new 588 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: case needs to have a fresh look and a fresh 589 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: start and not just jumping to conclusions that you like, 590 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: it's just so commonplace to suggest the woman has just 591 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: taken up with a man and left town. That is 592 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: not what happened with this young girl to you Sydney summer. 593 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: What time me the day or night do we have 594 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: her leaving the home. So that was at six o'clock? 595 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: It is last time six o'clock p m. Guys. Take 596 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Jackie Howard a crime online 597 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: dot com. When Jerick and Laws left for her walk, 598 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: the only thing she took with her was her cell phone. 599 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: Her mother says that should have been their first clue. 600 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: Law's large purse was still on her bed. That was 601 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: strange too, because Jerick Hohoway's had a big purse everywhere 602 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: we went. She had a life in a bed. Okay, 603 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: inside the purse all of Law's identification. I still have 604 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: a wallet. It still has the money she had in it. 605 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: I did go through the wallet because I had to 606 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: give the detective the current picture of her because there 607 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: are different pictures. She had longer hair but had recently 608 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 1: cut it. So her purse was here. So she's supposed 609 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: to leave the mouse without any of her ID or money. 610 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: Now we do have one more clue that centers around 611 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: at Chipotle Mexican restaurant. Take a listen to our cut 612 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: twenty two our friends from crime Online. The last person 613 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: to see Jericha Laws was a male friend. He told 614 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: police that the two went to dinner at a Chipotle 615 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant. I was at my high school reunion when 616 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: I got in. Jericho wasn't here yet from Malcolm, but 617 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: she came in to say and I was downstairs, so 618 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: she just when the door open. I asked who was that? 619 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: She said, it's me mother. I'm bringing my purse in 620 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: and I'm going for my walk. He says he dropped 621 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: Laws back home because she said she was going to 622 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: meet someone but didn't say who, So Malcolm dropped off 623 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 1: at home. And later what I learned was that Malcolm 624 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: stated in an interview that she told him that she 625 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: was going to meet someone, but he never said that 626 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: to my family, and he said she didn't say who 627 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: she was going to meet. Okay, right there, Sidney Summers, 628 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: Where does the Chipotle restaurant fit into the timeline? Before 629 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: or after she went on the six pm walk? Jericho 630 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: returned home from Chipotle with that male friend, said goodbye 631 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: to her mother and that she was going to go 632 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: on a walk and meet someone else, but nobody knows 633 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: who where, only that she left dishes in the sink 634 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: and told no one where she was going and left 635 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 1: without any identification exactly to Sarah Ford and Justin Border. 636 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: Let me start with you, Justin what should local police 637 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: be doing right now? Certainly i'm local police be checking 638 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: cell phone sort of stuff. They should be checking it 639 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: and getting a good history of her as if like friends, 640 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: people she hung out with, you know, talking about dating apps, 641 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. We want to go back and 642 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: retrace some steps as well. When was the last time 643 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: maybe she went to work, When was the last time 644 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: she was seeing and then recreating with surveillance cameras if possible. Well, 645 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: I know there's something at Chippotle but she was spotted 646 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: by her family after Chippotla. But I agree with you 647 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: Sarah Ford. We're hearing nothing about paying the phone looking 648 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: at her eyicloud. Maybe her phone chext would give us 649 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: an idea who she was supposed to be. If anyone 650 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: our phone to give so much information about who we are, 651 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: where we're going, who we're spending our time with. So 652 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: certainly law enforcement and should have already done a deep 653 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: dive on her phone to find out, you know, what 654 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: apps was she using, you know, her her location was 655 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: she did she have tracking on her phone? Um? But 656 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: also you know, kind of getting back to the basics 657 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,399 Speaker 1: on this, you know, talking to the neighbors she saw 658 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: her every day, did they notice anything different about her 659 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: walk and her co workers and we talked with them, um, 660 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: you know so often. Uh, you know, just in conversation 661 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: me she may have mentioned something that that could have 662 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: something to do with who she met up with later 663 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: that night. We have a whole in the detective on 664 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: the case and the whole new police keep all over 665 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: again and this is the third one. But when they 666 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: gave me conflicting places for where her phone pain at 667 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: first they said it pay on Lincoln Highway on August sixteenth, 668 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: near where she would have timed to come home, and 669 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: that would have been with Malcolm right. And then I 670 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:03,479 Speaker 1: got that it pained me Valmer Road and Western so 671 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: I don't know by the golf course. So I don't 672 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: know where her phone like last Pam. And I asked 673 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: the new detect and the new police chief and they 674 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: said they would certainly check because I need to know 675 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: if it was actually the sixteenth, or if it was 676 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: if it was by the metro station like they said, 677 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: where she would have turned with Malcolm in a car 678 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: coming home, or wasn't on Western Avenue and Valmer, you know, 679 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: because I got two different reports. You know, I need 680 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: to know where the mystery surrounding this girl, Jericho laws 681 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: has plagued the mother ever since. She goes for a 682 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: walk and never comes home. Jerif is my happy, full 683 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: of energy child. I mean seriously, sometimes I used to 684 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: come in from work and she'd be like, hello, mother, 685 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: and with all this energy, and I'm just ad as ever, 686 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: she was very funny, had a sense of human who 687 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: used to have us cracking up. She's just a boatload 688 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: of energy, a positive young lady who loves God in 689 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: the Bible, and just such a happy person all the time. 690 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: Literally never a bad day. Now I have bad days, 691 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: but not Jeriica. She's just always positive and full of energy. 692 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: After Jericho went missing, I couldn't do anything for like 693 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: nine months. My kids actually took care of me. I 694 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: have depression, of course, and I was taking appeal to 695 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: sleep because I couldn't sleep for anxiety depression. Concentration. I 696 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: was off work for about nine or ten months and 697 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 1: just laying in the bed. I lost a lot of weight. 698 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: Then I'm heavier now than seven years. But and now 699 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm very Can I say depressed if you will. But 700 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: I try to keep going for my children because I 701 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: consider suicide and I'm a guy fearing woman. But it 702 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: hurts so bad to keep living and going when you 703 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: had something such as this happened, and my therapist knew 704 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: I was. I think she knew because she asked me 705 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,800 Speaker 1: to bring my children in, who are adults. Of course, 706 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: then just hearing them talk about if they lost me 707 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: as well made me decide to live. Otherwise I wouldn't 708 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: be here. I really wouldn't if it wasn't for them. 709 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: The tipline seven zero eight seven four eight four seven 710 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: zero one repeat seven zero eight seven four eight four 711 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: seven zero one Nancy Grace m Story signing off Goodbye 712 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: friend