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Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to talk to Suzanne Lee, who played

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Speaker 1: the role of Kean for five episodes in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three two thousand and four. First appearance was in

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Speaker 1: season four, episode nineteen After Boom. Last appearance was in

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Speaker 1: season six, episode nineteen, I Get a sidekick out of You.

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Speaker 1: Kean is a Korean exchange student who for a lot

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Speaker 1: Miss Kim, but eventually befriends Lane becomes more expressive of

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Speaker 1: her personal tastes and character. A little bit about her.

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Speaker 1: She was born in New York, Texas. Susanne graduated from

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Speaker 1: Duke University with a BS in psychology, a minor in theater.

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Speaker 1: A summer drama program in London and an apprenticeship at

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Speaker 1: the renowned Williamstown Theater Festival both solidified her decision to

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Speaker 1: her first theatrical role of Kean, recurring on Gilmore Girls.

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Speaker 1: On stage, she has performed as Janet in Kim's Convenience

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Speaker 1: Concert Hall, What's Wrong with Angry at Celebration Theater, and

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Speaker 1: Madre Playhouse. TV film highlights include working on such shows

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Speaker 1: as Madam Secretary, Gray's Anatomy, Rizzolian Isles, Snowfall, and The

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Speaker 1: Soloist Opposite Jamie Fox. Suzanne Land, a dark comedic series

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Speaker 1: she co created and co wrote with her partner Andrew Oh,

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Speaker 1: Actress at Sin in Spain. Susan, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for comment on Listen. You got a degree in psychology

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Speaker 1: team in a long time ago. Yes, so it's a

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Speaker 1: long story. This is not about me, this is about you.

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Speaker 1: What was the original plan with that degree in psychology

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Speaker 3: I was always well, I got I minored in theater

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Speaker 2: But it was a bad It was a battle between.

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Speaker 1: that that part really fascinates me. Did you go to

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. So what was the hardest part for you trying

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Speaker 1: But I did right because there's so many you know,

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Speaker 2: We're great news in my family.

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Speaker 3: My sisters like, oh, she's she's she's getting married, she's

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Speaker 3: she's pregnant.

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Speaker 2: And I look at my partner. We're like, no, we

448
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Speaker 2: we got into sundance and they're like it was like,

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Speaker 2: oh gosh. Yeah. So it was a trip though. It

450
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Speaker 2: was it was like a dream come true because it

451
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Speaker 2: was on my list and it was like a I

452
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Speaker 2: just set it off without thinking.

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Speaker 1: You know, So was it in competition? Was it some

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Speaker 1: kind of in competition or I don't I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think so, I think, okay, a screening. You know,

456
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Speaker 3: that was the first year they're doing it.

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Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad? So what happened to So? What

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Speaker 1: happened to it? So it was so it was a

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Speaker 1: web series. How many episodes did you do it?

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Speaker 2: It was five? Five?

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Speaker 3: Five short their micro like micro shorts. And then we

462
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Speaker 3: have now written the pilot for it and our goal

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Speaker 3: is to see it as a TV. You know, a

464
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Speaker 3: half hour comedy, but it's that in itself. In the

465
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Speaker 3: writing was such a journey too, because you get people

466
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Speaker 3: saying you got to do this, You've got to do this,

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Speaker 3: and it changes then your your writing starts shifting. And

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Speaker 3: then it got to a place where it was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is not the show that we wanted to make,

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Speaker 3: you know, it was so far away.

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Speaker 2: From what we started.

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Speaker 3: And then we're like, got to go back, got to

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Speaker 3: go back to the you know, the original thing, Like

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Speaker 3: what are we wanting to do here? And so now

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're back roll circle and we actually

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Speaker 3: got it to a place where we're like, oh, I

477
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Speaker 3: think this is what we want to do.

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Speaker 1: So so the goal is to get a deal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that would be the deal, to get someone attached,

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Speaker 3: a producer, production company, UH, sell the pilot and UH

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Speaker 3: hopefully make the show.

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Speaker 1: Where can I Where can I see this? I might?

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Speaker 1: I might jump on board here? Oh great, well, where

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Speaker 1: where can I see this? Can I see it? Can

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Speaker 1: I just see it online? Can I go?

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Speaker 3: You can find Suzanne land dot com and you can

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Speaker 3: watch that. And and then we've had We've written the pilot,

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Speaker 3: the half hour pilot, and it won many like quarter Stummie, Finalist,

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Speaker 3: Finalists one competitions, and then we did another final rewrite

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Speaker 3: from some.

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Speaker 2: Of those notes.

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Speaker 3: And we haven't officially taken it out. We haven't officially

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Speaker 3: pitched it anywhere.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're we're excited. I mean like, I feel

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Speaker 2: like now is the time?

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Speaker 1: All right? So you have a script? I can read

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Speaker 1: a script.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you totally can.

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Speaker 1: All right. Tell when we're done here, Tell the producers

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Speaker 1: how I get in touch with you because I want to.

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Speaker 1: I'll get We'll exchange emails or something. I want to

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Speaker 1: read this thing. I do well, I do a lot

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Speaker 1: of this now all producing.

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Speaker 2: Are you on that side too?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would love to find it your sounds.

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Speaker 1: I want to see it. I want to read it.

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated. So so that's what you're working on right now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is uh, that's what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: That's your jam, that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: That's my dream.

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Speaker 3: That's my dream TV serious right yeah, like as that's

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Speaker 3: HBO Netflix.

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Speaker 2: I see it. It's there, I see it. Other than that,

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Speaker 2: I would like to continue making shorts. You know, there's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of other like ideas that I have that I

518
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Speaker 3: would just like to keep making things, you know, and theater.

519
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Speaker 3: I've gone back to my roots of theater and God,

520
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Speaker 3: it's like it's powerful.

521
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Speaker 1: Like sharing the knowledge sharing. So we're gonna do a

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Speaker 1: little section now called rapid Fire. And it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's going to be fast. There's no requirement that you'll

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Speaker 1: be fast. But I'm gonna ask you a series of questions.

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Speaker 1: You're ready, They're all Gilmore related, So here we go.

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Speaker 1: How do you How do you like your coffee decaf? Okay, yeah,

527
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: you don't really you don't need caffeine? Do you?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Are you logan Team Jess or Team Dean.

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Speaker 2: Jess?

532
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: What is your favorite Gilmour girls couple? Luke and Laurel,

533
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: Lane and Zach, Emily and Richard, Suki and Jackson.

534
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Speaker 2: H Well, I see, I feel like you.

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Speaker 3: You guys are the obvious choice because you guys are

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Speaker 3: the heart of the show. So I'm gonna go that,

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Speaker 3: given I would say Lane, I'm gonna go with them.

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00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Gotcha? What would you order at Luke Steiner.

539
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: Devil stotchy fingers.

540
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Speaker 1: Fingers Jackson or Taylor for town selectmen? Jackson, everybody says Jackson,

541
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Speaker 1: and he just he just doesn't He doesn't want the job.

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Speaker 3: But that's why, you know how when you don't want it,

543
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: you get it. I think that reinforces that lesson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he sucks at it, he's not going to

545
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Speaker 1: be good at it. Tail Tailor Taylor's a pain in

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Speaker 1: the ass, but he's actually good at it. I don't

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: mean to influence your decision anyway, shape or form. What

548
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: would you rather listen to? Hep Alien or the Troubadour's

549
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: cover songs?

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00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm biased, so hep Alien? Okay, they come on, Brie

551
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: was in it?

552
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: Come on Harvard or Yale?

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00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: Yale?

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00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like a lot of this is a

556
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Speaker 3: different one. But it's because, uh, I feel like a

557
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: lot of great actors come out of the Yale.

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Speaker 1: Well they got the they got the theater program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the strong theater.

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00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, they got it. They got that. They're going on. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Harvard doesn't, but I think Yale has

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Speaker 1: the you know, Bobby Bobby Lewis designed their program, the

563
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: great Robert Lewis. What's Rory's bigger mistake? Crashing the car

564
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: her boyfriend built for her or sleeping with her ex

565
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: who is married. Bigger mistake. There you go. Who from Gilmour?

566
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: Would you not want to be stuck on a desert

567
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Speaker 1: island with.

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00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: Missus?

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00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Can you know what that's? That really is the obvious choice,

570
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: and you the first one to mention her. Are you

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Speaker 1: serious to me?

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00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: It's a no brainer. Oh yeah, no life like straighted

573
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: with her? Oh my god.

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00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: Can you imagine something in your life that you are

575
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: all in on?

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Storytelling? Story telling amazing stories.

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Speaker 1: It has been a pleasure. Yeah, it's so good to

578
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: see you. I never I never met you. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we ever know.

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Speaker 3: You were had a little bit and then it was boom,

581
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: So we never had any scenes together.

582
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: It was just diner.

583
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: There was a little uh bit that you had with

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Speaker 3: Laura and okay, you're in that scene at the top.

585
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: Of it, and then we moved.

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00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: Was I nice? Was I nice?

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00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: You were very nice?

588
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: All right?

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00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: All right? Sometimes sometimes I was tired and anyway, Susan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. This was a

591
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Love to have you back. There's so

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00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: much more to talk about. And please make sure leave

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Speaker 1: your contact information with producers and I'll get in touch

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00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: with you. Okay, thank you so much and good luck

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Speaker 1: with everything.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing your show and reading your script.

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00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: Love it, love it. Thank you again, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Are you too?

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Speaker 2: Bye?

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Speaker 1: Do Hey everybody, and don't forget Follow us on Instagram

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