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Speaker 1: You're listening to soft Rep Radio Special Operations, military news

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Speaker 1: on straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of soft Rep Radio. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, Rad, and with me, I have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest. Now you are probably used to me talking

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Speaker 1: to somebody who's a Green Beret whose Delta Forest Navy Seals,

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Speaker 1: and that's not going to change here. We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the means of transportation over the years of conflict,

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Speaker 1: that this device, this machine, this beast, this soldier, this

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Speaker 1: warrior has been on the battlefield throughout time. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna introduce Paul, who has written a book for you

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Speaker 1: to enjoy. Paul, let's talk about jeeps. I think I

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Speaker 1: can handle that, Rad. You know, we'll see, we'll see

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Speaker 1: if I live up to your usual standards. Would you

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Speaker 1: like me to talk about First, tell me the name

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Speaker 1: of your book, No problem. I've actually written three books

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Speaker 1: what I call on early GEP history. Okay, And I

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Speaker 1: define early GEEP history because I can because it's me, right, Rad,

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Speaker 1: you know, just you know, let's make it up as

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Speaker 1: we go along. I'm so excited. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: have this conversation about jeeps. Yeah, don't worries so early

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Speaker 1: GEP history can break be broken up into three periods,

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Speaker 1: the end of War one to October nineteen forty, October

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty to March of nineteen forty one, and then

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Speaker 1: March of ninety one to November December ninety one, just

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Speaker 1: before we got in the war. Okay. And so I've

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Speaker 1: written three books. The first book is called Project Management

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Speaker 1: in History, and that covers the period up to October

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty from a project management perspective. Then I wrote

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Speaker 1: a second book called The Original Jeeps, and that covers

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Speaker 1: the period going all the way from War one to March.

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Speaker 1: So we've got two thirds covered in the second book, okay.

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Speaker 1: And in the second book, there's three jeeps on the

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Speaker 1: front where the which were the three original jeep prototypes.

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Speaker 1: And we go in and both of those books into

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Speaker 1: very fine detail of what happened to where someone on

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Speaker 1: Amazon wrote about the original Jeeps, I'll be I'll give

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Speaker 1: it clear, this is a little dry, with lots of

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Speaker 1: covers the creation of the jeep more thoroughly. So then

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Speaker 1: what I decided to do on the third book book

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Speaker 1: more accessible to people. We wrote, wrote, compiled what we

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Speaker 1: And this book is the first one that covers the

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Speaker 1: So on the cover of this book, we have all

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Speaker 1: again the new book, which will spend you know, a

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Speaker 1: the original jeeps. So that's kind of the overall story

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Speaker 1: So the journey it started. And in the original Jeeps

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Speaker 1: page one, right, the actual document that kicked. Every single

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Speaker 1: little bit for a day, and they drive it to

426
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: Camp hola Bird on September ninety, the literal forty nine day,

427
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: and pull into the depot at four thirty pm on

428
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: half an hour before the deadline, literally right out of

429
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: a Hollywood story. It's like, are you kidding me again?

430
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: I use this term all the time I talked about

431
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: Earl g. History. Can't make this stuff up. So Bannam

432
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: came through and they got the vehicle, built it, delivered

433
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: it on the forty ninth day. They did the impossible.

434
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: So that's going to your point about people see jeeps

435
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: love jeeps. They don't realize that this amazing vehicle that's

436
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: been around for eighty years was created in a miraculous

437
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: fashion in forty nine days. And I don't use that

438
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: term lightly. So that's pretty cool that I love that

439
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: part of the story. So no, that is it's a

440
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: wonderful part of the story. And so talk to me

441
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: more about how you know, now they got the axle,

442
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: they've got the you know, the contract that's been delivered.

443
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: How did they decide on the slots on the front

444
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: of the jeep? Where did that come from all the

445
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: slots on the jeep. If you look at the original jeeps,

446
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: the first to the Bantom so bandom named vehicle, the

447
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: Bannom reconnaissance Car, and the Willis Quad. They had a

448
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: rounded hood and I don't remember how many things they

449
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: had where the seven slot grill came up out. That

450
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: actually came out after the war when Willis wanted to

451
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: build civilian jeeps and they had to differentiate their jeeps.

452
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: So they made the seventh slot growing and patented it

453
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: or copyrighted and whatever the right term is for the

454
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: seven So you'll see allow of the jeeps jeeps in

455
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: the war, they didn't have seven slots, they're like nine.

456
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: Didn't they have like nine? Yeah, I don't know. And

457
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: that was exactly right. The fourth was the Willis Jeep

458
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and the four geep. I can let me let me

459
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit about what happened after delivered

460
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: the vehicle. We'll talk Phillis and so what happened out

461
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: they delivered the vehicle. So now you gotta understand that

462
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: they built this vehicle, just barely got a built and delivered, right,

463
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: They're not delivering it to a group that's gonna be

464
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: like you know, I think, well, you know, taking easy

465
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: on it, see how it works, you know, you know, generally, no,

466
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to break it in every way possible.

467
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: And the band of vehicle they tried for six weeks

468
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: that tried to break it. It bent, but it didn't break.

469
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: And by the end of October n the Army accepted

470
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: the ban on BRC and ordered another seventy, which was

471
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: in the original contract, and the army had a vehicle.

472
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: And that's what I always find amazing about the story

473
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: is how good were these guys that they could create

474
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: that vehicle in a miraculous time and so well that

475
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: it stood up to the toughest testing any vehicle would

476
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: get from the army. Again, that's another one of those story.

477
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: It really is because you got neighbors trying to help neighbors,

478
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: because the young men that are going to war are

479
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: depending on these and those are the young men that

480
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: were neighbors to these men that work in the factories

481
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: women back in. It's crazy world. War two is a

482
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: unique time that my grandfather lived through, you know, and

483
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: served in the Navy and whatnot, and so I just

484
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: know that talking to him before he passed away, it

485
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: was just everybody was all hands, you know. It was

486
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: a really cool time and knowing the jeep comes from

487
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: that exactly. So one of the things we could talk

488
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: about is how Willis got involved was this is another

489
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: one of those things of the story. After they didn't

490
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: get the bid in July, the Army cut a side

491
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: deal with Willis. Has said if you build a vehicle

492
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: on your own, because we're wonderful people, we'll take a

493
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: look at it if you build it on your own

494
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: at your own expense. So Willis built their prototype at

495
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: their own expense. And then October nineteen forty, just so

496
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: this is where we can get people together. Where how

497
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: did you get Bannon Ford? Willis? And October nineteen forty

498
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: the Army went to Ford. Actually literally the quartermaster approached

499
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Ford said would you build a prototype for said sure,

500
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: why not. So by the end of November nineteen forty,

501
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: the Willis and Ford prototypes were delivered. In November nineteen forty,

502
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: you had your three participants that you mentioned Bannon, Willison

503
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: Ford in the mix, and so that's kind of in

504
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: the brief version and again that's detailed in the original

505
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: jeeps and the project management history in the first jeep,

506
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: and we have you know, image is in detail of

507
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: that in the original jeeps and pictures. So by the

508
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: end November nineteen, now you have three prototypes. And the

509
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: next part of the story I can briefly talk about.

510
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: It's really it's kind of literally a melo drama. So

511
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: between October nineteen forty and March of nine one, the Army,

512
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: when Bannam delivered the vehicle was accepted, they said, and

513
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: now what do we do? And then November and then

514
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: now we have three you know, you know, they making

515
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: it up as they went along thing and now we

516
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: have three vendors. So through an amazing set of circumstances

517
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: that are detailed in the books, they ended up offering

518
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: contracts to all three vendors for fifteen hundred, with Ford's

519
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: and Willis's contracts dependent upon their prototypes being accepted. In

520
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: January of forty one. January forty one the four early

521
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: January forty one, the Ford prototype was accepted and they

522
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: started building their fifteen hundred. Bannam was already building their Willis.

523
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: The quad actually failed to testing, and through another amazing

524
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: set of circumstances, they were reinstated and given the contracts anyway, Well,

525
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: let me ask you. So it's like, yeah, go ahead,

526
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: where's this axle at? Now? That Bantom hat what about

527
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: the axle? Are they all working with the same individual

528
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: to get that axle or has for now? That is

529
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: a fantastically that's a great question. They all had to

530
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: work through Spicer. So you have three get A factors

531
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: completing for this vehicle and they're all get their axle

532
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: form the safe suppime. Another one of those ironic quirks.

533
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: What are you giving the axle to them? Right? Why

534
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: are you giving the axle to that? So the bandom,

535
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: the bandom Willis and Ford prototypes all had a Spicer

536
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: axle because that was the only one that could build it.

537
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: And going to your point about it was an American

538
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: vehicle both all through, not so much Ford maybe, but

539
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: Bannom when Willis, they used a lot of off the

540
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: shelf parts and those parts lists are actually in the books,

541
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: so they came from everywhere. So again the American vehicle

542
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: concept that you were talking about already being built into

543
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: the d n A of the Jeep yea. It is

544
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: It's Jeep Jeep life. It has its own hashtag that

545
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: trends all over the world, you know, on social media

546
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: hashtag jeep life. You know, it's unique and the vehicle

547
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: they drive. Those three guys are involved in three companies

548
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: and you've got Spicer with his you know, unique piece

549
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: of the puzzle. Honestly that that allows all the wheels

550
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: to move, you know, at the same time for snow, mud,

551
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: wet terrain, steep terrain, it's a climb. It's trying to

552
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: be a mule, which a mule can climb a mountain.

553
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: It's trying to be a pack horse, which can haul

554
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: a lot of gear and be quick and haul troops

555
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. And weaponry. So when did they

556
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: start getting into like the testing weaponry phaces with like, yeah,

557
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: tell me, well, that's pretty good question. How about we

558
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: throw a camel in two for the desert right exactly,

559
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a camel too, And you know, I

560
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: can't think of anything from the jungle that it might

561
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, we could took that actually is the perfect

562
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: that's called the river, the Nile or the Amazon in

563
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the Amazon. You know, you know why we can do that,

564
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: rad Here's why we could do that because it's us,

565
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: it's our interview, do what we want. It's true that

566
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: your question is the perfect, perfect segue into the final

567
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: third of the story. So one was dominated by four events,

568
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: and the first is exactly what you said. The army said, okay,

569
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: we've got three vehicles, were sending it around the country.

570
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: All three vehicles we tested. So I've called nineteen forty

571
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: one the year testing. They tested them thoroughly, and July

572
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: they said, you know what, now, the original contract with

573
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: them in night July nine for seventy vehicles. Then I

574
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: don't know if they really knew how big this war

575
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: they were gonna go into was next thing, you know,

576
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: literally a year later and with the expansion of the war.

577
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: Then July one, they said, we have enough information, we're

578
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: gonna go out for another bid. Sixteen thousand vehicles winner

579
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: take all. It was like a twelve million dollar contract,

580
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: which was real money back in the day, right, that's

581
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: the money now. So they send it out. Yeah, huge,

582
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: you're getting you're starting to get the kind of expenditures

583
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: that was gonna happen for this war. So bannam Ford

584
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: and Willis all bid comes out and the quartermaster says,

585
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: Ford's going to get the contract and everybody says, now

586
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: that knows a little about the history says, well, wait

587
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: a minute. Willis built a vehicle. The quartermaster had to

588
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: send the contract up to a higher level for final approval,

589
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: and then a higher level said, no, Willis has the

590
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: best vehicle at the lowest price. Willis will get the

591
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand dollar contract, and they did, and the quartermaster

592
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: was furious. They were overruled Bucracy. So that that is

593
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: another one of those little gems in the story of

594
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: we didn't have the Ford g P, we had the

595
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: Willis MB. Can I tell you how we got the

596
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: Willis MB moniker, Yes, yeah, real quick. So after the

597
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: Willis quad had failed, Willis went back and did an

598
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: amazing job retooling their vehicle, and they had it done

599
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: by May June, and they renamed it the Willis M

600
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: A for military. And here, let's see if you get

601
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: this question, why do you think they called it A?

602
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: It's that assault what no? No A is the one

603
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: of the of the alphabet. The letter is one of

604
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: the alphabet. It's the letter, but it's it's the first letter.

605
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: It's the first letter. I stumped you. So the point is,

606
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: you gotta love how simplistic this stuff? And where did

607
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: the M A come? Right, Well, we'll just call it military,

608
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: and we'll just use the letter A because it's the

609
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: first letter of the alphabet, so you know, and they

610
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: only feel right, they only so why are bringing that up?

611
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Fast forward to the story. Willis gets the sixteen thousand contract,

612
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: and the army, working with Willis made a lot more,

613
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: even more changes than they already had over the prior year.

614
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: And by the time they got done with you all

615
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: the changes, Willis said, you know, this is so significantly different.

616
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: So I think we'll we'll call this version the m

617
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: B because that's the second letter. So that's how you

618
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: got the name, the second letter, second letter of the alphabet.

619
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: So right, so that's how you got the Willis and

620
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: B Moniker the legend of wil War two, And that's

621
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: how you got to the will and be Why don't

622
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I finish up the last part of the story, the

623
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: fourth part of the story, and that'll give us that'll

624
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: have a complete picture for people. So the last part

625
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: of the story is Willis now has the MB to

626
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: have a contract for sixteen thousand, and the army goes

627
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: Now it's later in ninety one, the wars approaching, things

628
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: are really deterringting, and they go, we're gonna need a

629
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: lot more of these, and we probably should have a

630
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: second supplier. So the Army went to Willis and said,

631
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: we have a deal for you. It was a godfather deal.

632
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: They said, you know what, I think you Ford should

633
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: build your vehicle under license because they wanted to be standard,

634
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: but they wanted another manufacturer, and they basically went, today, uh,

635
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, Willison proposed that I like the goes and offered.

636
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: They couldn't refuse. Theyre, no problem, we got a deal

637
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: for you. The Willis only really needed this needed this matter,

638
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: this um work, and there also probably sent the patriotism

639
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: and there so for the licensing contract was signed. Ford's

640
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: now going to build the Willis vehicle under license, and

641
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: Ford to name their vehicle the original vehicle the Pygmy,

642
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: then their improved version in nine one they called the

643
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: g P. The G stood for government and the P

644
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: stood for a wheelbase of eight inches. So what they

645
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: did is once they got to the point, they're gonna

646
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: build the vehicle under license. So people understand where the

647
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: four g p W came from, which was built for

648
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: the war that stood for g P. Willis. So that's

649
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: how you got So now we're at the point where, yeah,

650
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: we're right, we're at the point in the story. The

651
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: early g P history has completed, and you now have

652
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: the Willis MB and the four g PW ready to

653
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: be built for the war. And they built over six

654
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: hundred thousand between the two of them for the war. Wow.

655
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: That a lot of jeeps they did. They did commercial,

656
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, like what they did right there for for

657
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: a few years. What was that span? What was the

658
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: time frame of the six hundred thousand just the war,

659
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: just the war, just the war, just a war, just

660
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: like a two to three year span was six hundred thousand,

661
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: So two hundred thousand a year they were pumping out.

662
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: That's why they wanted Ford. That's why they said, Hey,

663
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna license this through Willie's. Willie's created it. Ford,

664
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: we need you to help produce this because you know,

665
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Hitler has to die. Yeah, and the Japanese need to

666
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: be beaten. Yeah that's exactly right. And uh yeah, because

667
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: that's exactly that's crazy. It's so so we have this jeep.

668
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: Now it's been deployed, it's all over the place. I

669
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: have a friend who lives in England around the London

670
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: outside London area. He has the jeep over there. He

671
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: has a regular jeep Willie's tricked out, drives it through

672
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: the countryside. It's windows down, it's green, it's exactly what

673
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: it is. He's like, anytime you over here, I'll take

674
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: you for a ride in it. Paul. This is a

675
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: shout out to you and a jeep over in England,

676
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: my friend. I just want to let you know I'm

677
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: thinking about you. But it's literally in England still right

678
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, over here we have you know,

679
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: I think of the desert rats back in the day,

680
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: for the s a s running in the desert with

681
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: their pink you know, land rovers with their windows down,

682
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: those those you know that what the CBS having that,

683
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, the grates on the sides of their vehicles

684
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: and such, you know, and then you have the army

685
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: showing up with theirs. Now right here it is. It's

686
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: able to work in Africa, it's able to work all

687
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: over every continent, is what they try to get it

688
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: to all around. Jeep. That's what's up. So now the

689
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: war effort has happened we've picked and pulled everybody's parts

690
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: off of the different shelves from their stores. The wars.

691
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Now one victory has been announced. Jeep does what well.

692
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: The good news is for your listeners is my area

693
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: of expertise is early cheap history. So my expertise ends

694
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: when we enter the war. There's many other people over

695
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: the last eighty years that have covered the war and

696
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: after the war in great detail, but no one, as

697
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: I mentioned that that review and Amazon about no more

698
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: thorough book has been written about the creation of the

699
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: Chief than my books. And that's what people can find

700
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: out in detail and all this amazing history. But you

701
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: know what happened was though I do know generally what happened, okay,

702
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: so I can ask your question is and it going

703
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: to your point because of the war. So you have

704
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: the a quintessential American vehicle, It goes to war and

705
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: it becomes the quintessential vehicle for the world just through

706
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: the war. And then what happened after the war? I

707
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: have a brief epilogue what happened after the war? Uh

708
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: Ford said at NIVE We're done with Jeeps, thank you

709
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: very much, have a good day. Willis wanted to build

710
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: vehicles for the civilian market. They tried. Willis eventually faded

711
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: in the history in nineteen sixty three. The Jeep didn't

712
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: and ban them basically after nineteen forty because they not

713
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: get the bandom, built two hundred and two thousand, six

714
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy Jeeps and after that they never built

715
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: another vehicle and they went bankrupt the nineteen fifty six

716
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: and so. But the Jeep brand what they talked about,

717
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: the Jeep brand. And so you've seen all the various

718
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: types of Jeeps over the decades of Willis Jeeps. And

719
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: then I like, it always cracks me up a m

720
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: C actually on the Jeep brand. Remember m C Voters Corporation.

721
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: You might be a little after that, you know. I

722
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: always bring it up to the Pacer, one of my

723
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: favorite cars from my childhood as a kid. So the

724
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: point is the Jeep brand they called I don't want

725
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: to say they called the jinks are but they just

726
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: it has literally been bought out and changed hands almost

727
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: every ten years since the end of World War two.

728
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: Every ten years just gets bought. Yeah, it's interesting. That's

729
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: kind of an over what I think. I think it's dameler, right,

730
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: now let me see if I can go through the

731
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: lineage here at least off the top of my head.

732
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: So you had Willis had it, because you also know

733
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Daimler Chrysler's making the right exactly, if my memory is correct,

734
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: Willis had it. After the war, they got bought out

735
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: by Kaiser became Kaiser. Willis eventually became the Kaiser jeep.

736
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: So then Kaiser got bought out I believe by a

737
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: m C, all right, and AMC had it for a while,

738
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: and I think after a m C it went to Chrysler,

739
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: and then Chrysler went to Damler Chrysler. Then Chrysler went bankrupt.

740
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: Damler Chrysler went back up and became Seriva's capital manage

741
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: remember that one year seribas kapital managers. And then and

742
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: then in the late two thousand and tends they shuffled

743
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: all the deck again and said now we're gonna be

744
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: Fiat Chrysler Automotive f C A. And then I think

745
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: that right then, I think the most recent reach Offling

746
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: was we're gonna take Kaiser h f C A, and

747
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna merge that with Bugeau, and we're gonna call

748
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: it Stlantis. So the Jeep brand is now under Stlantis

749
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: if my memory is correct. That's interesting. Now. Now, now

750
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you, Paul, to talk about

751
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: the birth of the Jeep. And and I just want

752
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: to bring up that I do own a jeep, right,

753
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting here and listening, and I know

754
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: that the c JS, which is the civilian jeep, which

755
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: is after the Willie's Market with the round headlights, you know,

756
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: started to have kind of like you know, a hunting

757
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, application to the civilian. And then you started

758
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: seeing the jeep you know, go from the war to

759
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: maybe you know, government auction or surplus, and then people

760
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: were driving them around the town you know, um for

761
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: every day grocery pickup. And so they started to say, okay,

762
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: well the c J is a hunting vehicle, and so

763
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: it had it had some rollovers because more civilians are

764
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: taking them out climbing up hills and rolling the jeep. Right,

765
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: So now you have roll bars installed inside of the

766
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: jeeps the whole nine yards for that save the factor.

767
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: But in the eighties, Jeep wanted to change that whole dynamic.

768
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: And you know about this, right, how they changed their headlights.

769
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: You could go into it. That's not my area of expertise.

770
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Now let me let me explain. So, so the nineteen

771
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: eighties six jeep comes out because they call it the

772
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: y J. So they go from the c J to

773
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: the y J. And the reason why they go from

774
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: the c J civilian jeep to the y J is

775
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: because they wanted a jeep that was more city friendly,

776
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: urban friendly. Someone in New York City might want to

777
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: drive the jeep to a dinner, so they wanted to

778
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: make the y J. And the y J stands for

779
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: yuppie jeep. So what they did was they said, we

780
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: have this huge decline in sales because of the rollover fact,

781
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: a lot of folks are rolling. So someone in their

782
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: marketing team, now correct me if I'm wrong. So when

783
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: out there on the internet, go ahead, come at me.

784
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: They said, I got an idea. Let's change the jeep

785
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: because it's square with square headlights. And so they changed

786
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: the headlights to being square with the jeep. So when

787
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: you look at it and it looked like it wants

788
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: to roll with round headlights. And so the marketing team said, okay,

789
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: let's see if this works. So from the time of

790
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: eighty seven through four, before the t JS came back

791
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: with the round headlights, jeeps sold around seven dred and

792
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: eighty thousand jeeks. It was the most jeep production sold

793
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: because they said, hey, square equals flat equals no rolling.

794
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: Then what do they do once they got rid of

795
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: that whole rolling debacle was they went back to the

796
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: round headlights and the t JS and all the current

797
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: jeeps today all have the round headlights. And so, you know,

798
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: I just was wanting to have that tell you that

799
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: I know that that's that's that's great, that's great history.

800
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: And the thing is, that's what's really wonderful about the

801
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: jeep story. I go into you know, the early cheap

802
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: history in detail and then and images in the current book.

803
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: But there's so it's such a rich history. There's so

804
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: much of those types of stories and out there on

805
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: jeep history that at if a person wants to learn

806
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: more about it, they want to learn about early Gep history,

807
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: they can purchase my books. And there's other books that

808
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: go into all that type of history too. So it's

809
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: a it's a wonderful area of history the jeep for sure.

810
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: It really now Paul Paul Bruno. Ladies and gentlemen, tell

811
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: me your website about where we can pick up your book.

812
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: We'll have that put in the post here so that

813
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: if anybody's reading they can click on it on the website.

814
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Tell us the name of your website or where they

815
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: can pick it up. Rad I have an official name

816
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: for this particular segment of our show, and that is

817
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: this is the blatant plug part of the show. So

818
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: we have a website right right boom. We have a

819
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: website called Original Jeeps dot com. You know, I'm kind

820
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: of an honest person. We haven't updated it for the

821
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: current book, the Original Jeeps and Pictures, but there's a

822
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: lot in there for the first two books, Project Management

823
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: and History and the Original Jeeps. My books are available

824
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: at Amazon dot com exclusively. Other than if people want

825
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: to it just a autograph copy, they can go to

826
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: Dispatcher Magazine dot com slash Books. Dispatcher Magazine dot com

827
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: slash books. The Original Jeeps right now is available for autograph.

828
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: We're working on the site to get the first book,

829
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: the Project Management and History book, the First Cheep out

830
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: there for autograph, and obviously we want to get the

831
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: current book, the Original jeeps and pictures out there for autographs.

832
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: So hopefully that will be out and available for autograph

833
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: copies through that particular website by the time this show drops.

834
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: I need one of those. Yeah. Yeah, it should go

835
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: up on a on a Thursday in about a week

836
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: or two. But yeah, I definitely want one of those

837
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: as well, so I can have that in my in

838
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: my collection. I'll have to get one of those. If

839
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: you want autograph copy, go that route. If people just

840
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: want a regular copy of any of the books, just

841
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: go to Amazon dot com and type in the title

842
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: and it'll come up in a way you go. You know,

843
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, jeep has, uh, you know, its own culture.

844
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: It's life. You know, there's many crews and clubs out there.

845
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm a part of the Utah Jeep crew here in Utah,

846
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: and it's just like you get together with your jeeps

847
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: and everybody says what's up, and you see all of

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Speaker 1: other is just so unique, you know, it just really

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Speaker 1: it really is. You know, that's the way it is.

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Speaker 1: You know when you drive a jeep. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to see the future of the jeep with the

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Speaker 1: four by e that's coming out. You know, we've gone

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Speaker 1: from you know, World War Two to multi fuel by

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Speaker 1: you know, electric jeeps, and so you know here in

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Speaker 1: Utah they're always doing rock claw crawls down in Moab,

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Speaker 1: and uh. The other day I was reading somebody's review

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Speaker 1: so quiet. It was just going just great, the four

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Speaker 1: by e climb and everything fine. It just wasn't as

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Speaker 1: loud as the jeep in front of it. So it's

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Speaker 1: quite an interesting, you know growth that the jeep. And

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Speaker 1: now there's new jeeps, and they got all sorts of

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Speaker 1: jeep lines right like you said, like and you know

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Speaker 1: how they're all this other company. But I guess I

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Speaker 1: just get excited about jeeps. And to my listener that

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Speaker 1: loves jeeps, go by Paul Bruno's book, do it tell him?

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Speaker 1: Rad sent you get the autograph copy. Paul Bruno, You've

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Speaker 1: been a pleasure to have on the show. I was

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Speaker 1: always want to say thanks to my dad who hangs

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Speaker 1: out on the wall behind me in that American flag

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Speaker 1: with his beret, and I hope you enjoyed the fire

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Speaker 1: will always have it on for you. Paul, thanks again

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Speaker 1: for being a part of SOFTWAREP Radio. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me Rad. I really appreciate it, really enjoyed the interview.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. All Right, very cool, And my name

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Speaker 1: is Rad And if you've got any comments, suggestions, or

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Speaker 1: you want to be on the show, just send me

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Speaker 1: a what's up through the soft reap. Hey, I got

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Speaker 1: a question and I might just put you on the show,

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Speaker 1: no problem. All right, Well my name is Rad. If

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Speaker 1: you got any questions, I'll just talk to you about

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