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Speaker 3: I'm hendielnex. I slept two hours last night and I
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Speaker 3: into it with Indecision twenty twenty four Decision Edition. Is
Speaker 3: it too late to undecide? Well, if you're just joining
Speaker 3: me in this waking nightmare, Yesterday was election Day. We
Speaker 3: were all hoping it would make history, and boy did
Speaker 3: it ever.
Speaker 1: Mister Trump made history last night. He will be the
Speaker 1: first convicted felon to be president of the United States.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's official. America's elected its first criminal president before
Speaker 3: electing its first female president. What a day for proud felonists.
Speaker 3: What the actual America? We have had two qualified, accomplished
Speaker 3: women nominated for president, and both times they lost to
Speaker 3: the worst man in the whole country. I think at
Speaker 3: this point it's starting to feel like we're gonna get
Speaker 3: every other first before we get a first woman president,
Speaker 3: first Amish president, first up, Wahlberg president. Hey, there's no
Speaker 3: rule that says a dog can't be president as long
Speaker 3: as it's a boy dog. But instead of breaking the
Speaker 3: glass ceiling last night, America decided to get back with
Speaker 3: her dirt bag X and I had no idea how
Speaker 3: much she missed him.
Speaker 4: Overnight, a stunning victory for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Blowing through the so called blue wall of Midwest.
Speaker 5: States in county after county across the country, improving on
Speaker 5: his margin of victory in pass races.
Speaker 1: Suburban areas, rural areas, even big cities and bluer parts
Speaker 1: of the map, all tipped in his direction. It is
Speaker 1: a sweeping and stunning victory, unlike any in our.
Speaker 3: History, will be studied and debated for generation. We're gonna
Speaker 3: last generations.
Speaker 6: That is the optimism I was looking for.
Speaker 3: Thanks George Slapadopolis. That's your legal name now. But that's right.
Speaker 3: Trump is on track to win every single swing state
Speaker 3: and the popular vote. Just like the relationship between Trump
Speaker 3: and Eric, this one wasn't close at all. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I have four more years of Eric jokes me.
Speaker 6: Just think about what happened here.
Speaker 3: America voted this guy out in twenty twenty, and what
Speaker 3: has he done since then? He tried to overthrow the government,
Speaker 3: he was convicted of thirty four felonies. He spent an
Speaker 3: entire campaign promising vengeance against his enemies. And if you're
Speaker 3: wondering who after all of that would want to back
Speaker 3: him up, will buckle up.
Speaker 6: It's a long list.
Speaker 7: The former president winning with a coalition driven by white voters,
Speaker 7: men and first time voters.
Speaker 8: And union household those older voters, voters age forty five
Speaker 8: to sixty four, those younger than the age of thirty,
Speaker 8: black men, Latino men, suburban women, Arab Americans, and white men.
Speaker 3: So all of America, all of America. You just listed
Speaker 3: all of America. Seems the only groups you can't blame
Speaker 3: for Trump's victory are black women and people in comas.
Speaker 3: Oh and puppies or puppies in comas. Goddamn it, I
Speaker 3: just made myself more sad. So it's undeniable that Trump
Speaker 3: gained with practically every demographic.
Speaker 6: It's mind boggling.
Speaker 3: But thankfully cable news is on twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 3: so punnans can incessantly play the blame game.
Speaker 6: How did this happen?
Speaker 3: I think Democrats went way too far to the left,
Speaker 3: got it, Okay, Kamala was too far left, didn't embrace centrists.
Speaker 5: It is perhaps the strategy so forcefully embracing Republicans like
Speaker 5: the Liz Cheney's.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, I see she and braced centrists too much.
Speaker 8: What else she wouldn't really stand in back the Israelis?
Speaker 3: Uh huh, she wasn't pro Israel enough, all right.
Speaker 9: The base of the party it cares about Gaza and
Speaker 9: they by not bringing a palstating on stage of the DNC,
Speaker 9: these are not the value the base values of the
Speaker 9: Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Or pro Palestinian enough. Okay? Was that it? I think
Speaker 3: that Kamala Harris had this albatross around her neck and.
Speaker 6: It was Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: She couldn't distance herself from Biden and couldn't think of
Speaker 3: anything that she would have done differently, right, right, right, right,
Speaker 3: I see it now, Kamala didn't distance herself enough from
Speaker 3: Joe Biden.
Speaker 6: And let me guess it.
Speaker 10: Is probably not the best idea that Democrats orchestrated a
Speaker 10: very public stab fest, a proverbial stabbing, in the front
Speaker 10: of the sitting president of the United States of America,
Speaker 10: and then didn't use him in his pumped out of Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: Okay, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So she betrayed Joe Biden, but was also too close
Speaker 3: to Joe Biden. Aha, this is all making sense if
Speaker 3: I just put all the pieces together.
Speaker 11: Who knows?
Speaker 6: Who knows?
Speaker 3: Look as productive as this feels right now, I'm not
Speaker 3: really interested in gaming out how exactly this happened. This
Speaker 3: defeat was so resounding that you could literally say anything
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't be plausible. She should have picked MoU
Speaker 3: Dange for her VP. She should have gone on the
Speaker 3: Hop to a Girl's podcast. Maybe she visited Wisconsin too much?
Speaker 3: Sure that makes sense? Why not? Honestly, I don't really
Speaker 3: care why she lost. I care why he won. We
Speaker 3: we have spent so much time diagnosing Donald Trump and
Speaker 3: what his actions say about him. He's a dictator, he's
Speaker 3: a fascist, he's a malignant narcissist whose blood type is
Speaker 3: friar oil. But it's pretty clear that America is the
Speaker 3: one that needs the diagnosis, because whatever's wrong with.
Speaker 6: Him, we love it.
Speaker 3: In this moment, Donald Trump is holding up a mirror
Speaker 3: to the American people and it might be time to
Speaker 3: take a good, hard look. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I told myself that this show would be uplifting tonight
Speaker 3: and give people hope and inspiration. But unfortunately I'm too
Speaker 3: depressed and quite frankly, very very hungover. You know what
Speaker 3: I will say, it's times like these when I can
Speaker 3: lean on the wisdom and support and the vision of
Speaker 3: the best friend news team in the world. They're out
Speaker 3: across the country right now. So let's go out to them.
Speaker 3: We'll start with Troy. You want to Troy, it's up
Speaker 3: to you. Please give us something. Let us hear some
Speaker 3: optimism and hope to lift our.
Speaker 8: Spirits, lift spirits. I thought I was reporting on Senate results.
Speaker 3: No, nope, we don't need that right now. We need
Speaker 3: someone to find the perfect words to explain to us
Speaker 3: that everything's going to be okay.
Speaker 7: So go, okay, don't put that on me. I can't
Speaker 7: help anyone. I can barely help myself. I am in
Speaker 7: a deep pit of despair.
Speaker 12: Don't look at me.
Speaker 7: I'm still wearing yesterday's boat.
Speaker 12: Hide. I am a mess.
Speaker 3: Okay, go ask Costa.
Speaker 8: He's been here longer.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Michael Costa, let's go to you. Say some
Speaker 3: things that will single.
Speaker 6: Handedly fill us with joy.
Speaker 3: Uh pass.
Speaker 13: I pass on that that is way too much pressure
Speaker 13: for old Costa.
Speaker 12: I didn't even vote.
Speaker 3: What bye, b By, you know what?
Speaker 11: You know what?
Speaker 1: Grace said something this morning that really made my heart sore.
Speaker 13: Or whatever bullshit you're looking for, so she can lift
Speaker 13: your spirits.
Speaker 4: Go to Grace.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, great Grace, Cool and Schmidt. Let's let's.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to hear your words of comfort.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't say anything to Comfort Costa. I just asked
Speaker 5: to borrow a phone charger. Ah, but your yeah, Comfort,
Speaker 5: Comfort got it. We will not go quietly into the night.
Speaker 14: We will not stand it.
Speaker 15: We're going to We're going to survive.
Speaker 10: Today we celebrate our Independent's Day.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's Bill Pullman's speech from Independence Day.
Speaker 3: That does not count.
Speaker 6: No, it has to be your own words.
Speaker 3: Zeke, Come, I don't know how to give a rousing speech.
Speaker 5: I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy.
Speaker 3: Ask you that that's not in hill. You blew it, Grace, Josh, Josh,
Speaker 3: what about you?
Speaker 11: All right?
Speaker 9: Don't worry, don't worry? DOESI I got this. You ever
Speaker 9: go to the clinic thinking you have herpes and then
Speaker 9: you find out you find out that you do have herpes?
Speaker 9: But it's kind of nice because not at least, you know,
Speaker 9: was that inspiring?
Speaker 3: No? No, not at all.
Speaker 6: Please please Josh give me something.
Speaker 9: Yeah, hold on one second real quick.
Speaker 12: Oh I'm I'm about for.
Speaker 3: No, no, we took something on purpose. No, let's donny.
Speaker 13: Jarper, no, Dolly bother No, no, no, do you Josh?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Fine, fine, okay, yes, DESI, I'll be happy to inspire you.
Speaker 4: Just hold on for a second.
Speaker 7: Uh no, no, no, you spin that out.
Speaker 3: You spin it out, clipper, spit it out, spit it out,
Speaker 3: you say something inspiring right now, young man.
Speaker 4: Fine, fine, DESI listen. I'm just a girl standing in
Speaker 4: front of the goal asking.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you stop it. You inspire the nation.
Speaker 12: I don't. I don't have the words for that.
Speaker 4: You know what, you know what the way you were
Speaker 4: talking earlier about how we as a news team are
Speaker 4: inspiring to each other. Now that with some story rhetoric.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Daisi las for that.
Speaker 14: Me.
Speaker 7: I I go to you, to you, Okay, okay, I'll
Speaker 7: do it.
Speaker 12: You babies, thank you.
Speaker 3: Would you please say something to inspire our spirits?
Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, this is easy, easy, I got it, I
Speaker 12: got it. Just give me give me some music.
Speaker 16: Okay, America, I love you. If you are feeling upset
Speaker 16: or heard or depressed the turn towards facism that your
Speaker 16: beloved homeland is taking, then all you have to do
Speaker 16: is this, Just look into your heart.
Speaker 11: And you take out your foreign passport and you go
Speaker 11: back to Malaysia where you came from until Trump leaves office.
Speaker 3: Bunnie, we don't.
Speaker 6: Don't have Malaysian passports. How is that inspiring to us?
Speaker 12: I don't know, it's inspiring to me. All right, ladle bitches.
Speaker 3: Then might be the.
Speaker 1: Best every money.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we find out how to not care,
Speaker 3: So don't go away. A lot of voters got what
Speaker 3: they wanted yesterday, and many didn't. But there was also
Speaker 3: a third group Gray School, and Schmidt has more.
Speaker 14: Every election leaves a third of the country feeling like
Speaker 14: complete shit. But there's a large group of people who
Speaker 14: have immunized themselves against political disappointment. Their strategy is surprisingly effective.
Speaker 17: I am choosing not to vote during this election.
Speaker 16: Oh, I'm not voting for anyone.
Speaker 12: I just don't want to play the politic game.
Speaker 10: I literally took the word political and I blocked it
Speaker 10: on all social media, so I don't have I don't.
Speaker 3: Have on your apps.
Speaker 13: Yes, blocked the word political.
Speaker 14: Yes, And these non voters practiced political abstinence for a
Speaker 14: range of reasons.
Speaker 3: Is there a reason you're not voting?
Speaker 17: Not really, And politicians like.
Speaker 15: I just became really disgusted with the whole political process.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We waste way too much time and money and energy
Speaker 1: trying to get somebody in the White House when what
Speaker 1: we should be doing is focusing on a community.
Speaker 3: Did you think about voting for your local election?
Speaker 13: Uh?
Speaker 15: Okay, I don't think either of them are good leaders.
Speaker 15: One of them is definitely going to bring up more violence.
Speaker 14: So one candidate leading to more violence. It didn't get
Speaker 14: you to vote.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 15: I just don't know. I didn't.
Speaker 14: Most people resented choosing between two candidates they didn't like,
Speaker 14: but this non voter had the opposite problem.
Speaker 17: I think either way, we have two great candidates. It's
Speaker 17: like one is an accomplished attorney and then one is
Speaker 17: an accomplished business person.
Speaker 3: But I feel like we need both skills.
Speaker 14: So if we had an attorney business person, then you
Speaker 14: would maybe vote for them.
Speaker 8: Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And you voted in past election.
Speaker 14: I have voted Okay, got when you're choosing not to
Speaker 14: vote in this election, just because.
Speaker 17: Why, I have literally detoxed myself from a lot of
Speaker 17: toxic city, which includes live television, news and that kind
Speaker 17: of thing recently. When you think about the word toxicity,
Speaker 17: it's about digestion, and digestion comes from what we eat
Speaker 17: and consume, which also is what we see, what we hear.
Speaker 14: So I'm honestly genuinely inspired, and I too want to
Speaker 14: learn how to get toxicity out.
Speaker 4: I mean, don't get this on camera.
Speaker 14: I'm having diarrhea for likes, So not voting could actually
Speaker 14: cure my diarrhea. But without politics, how could I meaningfully
Speaker 14: spend my time? So if you don't pay attention to politics,
Speaker 14: what kind of stuff.
Speaker 12: Do you follow?
Speaker 17: Christianity and music?
Speaker 14: What kind of stuff about Christianity do you follow? Just
Speaker 14: like updates on the Bible and stuff.
Speaker 15: I'm reading a lot of James Baldwin.
Speaker 14: James Baldwin humble brag.
Speaker 15: I recommend all Americans read. That's the only thing that
Speaker 15: I'll help make a better.
Speaker 6: You're not voting.
Speaker 14: I feel like you can't really tell me how to
Speaker 14: be better.
Speaker 12: So what's your pitch to people?
Speaker 14: They don't want to worry about politics either.
Speaker 12: What do you say to them?
Speaker 17: Stop giving us?
Speaker 12: It's not easy.
Speaker 14: So if you don't follow politics, what do you look
Speaker 14: at on your phone to get dopamine?
Speaker 15: I look at chess video Chess videos inspired the I
Speaker 15: didn't know.
Speaker 3: You liked chess.
Speaker 5: I love chess.
Speaker 6: I had no idea.
Speaker 3: Sorry, check me. I've never even played chess before.
Speaker 14: Sorry loser, But winning is in everything. The good news
Speaker 14: is at least you'll get to play another game someday.
Speaker 3: He my neck reten, it really will get running.
Speaker 11: Me on the show, said out.
Speaker 18: Away, Well, my guest tonight is an award winning offer sociologist,
Speaker 18: you and C professor and cultural critic who's also a
Speaker 18: New York Times opinion columnist.
Speaker 3: Please welcome Tressy McMillan.
Speaker 19: Cott them, oh, Trasy.
Speaker 6: I was hoping to have a different conversation.
Speaker 20: Beau, was I, as was I.
Speaker 6: So many people turn to you.
Speaker 3: It is I know, no pressure, no pressure, okay, yes no,
Speaker 3: but but people do. People look to you to sort
Speaker 3: of make sense of the world in times like this,
Speaker 3: this day in particular, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 6: How are you feeling? How are you feeling today?
Speaker 20: I think I would be feeling more of the pressure
Speaker 20: if I wasn't already.
Speaker 11: Full.
Speaker 20: This was a very short campaign, and yet it felt
Speaker 20: like it went on forever. Yes, I tried to be
Speaker 20: pragmatic if people read me and follow me, you know,
Speaker 20: I really tried to keep myself ground it. But even
Speaker 20: I up to the end had a little, I think,
Speaker 20: secret hope hanging around in there.
Speaker 6: I'm a little embarrassed.
Speaker 20: I know, I'm ashamed.
Speaker 12: I went to school a long time.
Speaker 20: I should not be hopeful, but it was in there,
Speaker 20: and so I'm still a little hungover like everyone else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you you actually talked pretty openly about
Speaker 3: being a little bit doubtful that Kamalo would take the win.
Speaker 3: You were hoping that you were wrong, but you did
Speaker 3: sort of foresee this happening.
Speaker 20: Yeah, you got to be right. Well, I think that
Speaker 20: there were two things. I think that if you only
Speaker 20: read what Frank, my colleagues, people like myself right, that
Speaker 20: it can give you a really limited view of what's
Speaker 20: happening in this country. It's one of the reasons why
Speaker 20: I choose to live in North Carolina. I say to people,
Speaker 20: I want to, you know, talk to real people as
Speaker 20: much as I possibly can, and frankly, I was talking
Speaker 20: to people and they weren't nearly as terrified as I think.
Speaker 20: The Democrats assumed that they would be of a Trump,
Speaker 20: of a Trump reelection, and that stuck with me, especially
Speaker 20: with young voters. And we've seen how well Trump did
Speaker 20: with young voters. It isn't that they didn't remember Trump's presidency.
Speaker 20: A lot of people misremember it. They misattribute what they
Speaker 20: remember as positive to Trump, when in fact it was
Speaker 20: just right government working the way government should, or that
Speaker 20: you know, they survived COVID, but they misattribute that to
Speaker 20: Donald Trump, and he is happy to take credit that
Speaker 20: he doesn't deserve, and that is all that is also
Speaker 20: very helpfully shameless in that regard. So people misremembering, misattributing
Speaker 20: their memories to a positive Trump era really worked in
Speaker 20: his favor. And I was hearing that from a cross
Speaker 20: section of people. This was not just white voters, although
Speaker 20: white voters, wasn't just men. This was people of color,
Speaker 20: This was these were immigrants, a lot of people who
Speaker 20: just weren't terrified of Donald Trump, and the Democrats took
Speaker 20: as their default that people would be terrified of Trump
Speaker 20: being reelected and that's how they campaigned.
Speaker 3: Why do you think they saw it that way so differently?
Speaker 3: I mean, they obviously had a different picture of what
Speaker 3: his presidency was like back then. But is it the
Speaker 3: news source? Is it Trump's messaging? Is it the way
Speaker 3: that he knows how to communicate to his base, the
Speaker 3: way he tells a story.
Speaker 20: For a lot of reasons, I think most of them
Speaker 20: related to just hubris and ego. I think those of
Speaker 20: us on the other side really need to believe that
Speaker 20: Donald Trump is just stupid and lucky.
Speaker 16: And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels good.
Speaker 20: It explains a way a lot of stuff if he is.
Speaker 20: But the fact is, you can be stupid and lucky
Speaker 20: and have a weird gift, and he has won.
Speaker 6: What is this weird guess?
Speaker 20: Weird gift is he knows what people really want, not
Speaker 20: what they say they want, not what they report to
Speaker 20: a poster, not what they say at Thanksgiving dinner. What
Speaker 20: he has been consistently good at since he entered into
Speaker 20: electoral politics is he goes to the heart of what
Speaker 20: they really want. They want to feel like they're winning,
Speaker 20: even if everything around them says they're losing. They want
Speaker 20: to feel like someone is fighting for them. Even when
Speaker 20: it's obvious he's only fighting for them himself. They want
Speaker 20: to think that they are in the precipice of owning
Speaker 20: a great country at the height of its history, right.
Speaker 20: And he is willing to tell people anything, and that
Speaker 20: is very useful when you're trying to tap into people's
Speaker 20: i think deep anxieties and their desire to be diluted
Speaker 20: about reality.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be factual. He doesn't have to
Speaker 3: actually have a policy in place. He can just say, oh,
Speaker 3: the border, I'll fix it.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 20: And this really flummis Democrats who kept saying, but where's
Speaker 20: his plan? Where's his plan? People don't care about plans
Speaker 20: nearly as much as we thought they did, right, And
Speaker 20: I think, truly, I think that is a lesson for us.
Speaker 20: I think that professional politicians and administrators and the people
Speaker 20: we elect, they should know plans, right, and certainly they
Speaker 20: should exist out there for those of us who do
Speaker 20: want to know about them. But I think most Americans
Speaker 20: just want a really good story about how their lives
Speaker 20: are going to be better. And in this election, whether
Speaker 20: that story resonated with you or not, Donald Trump's story
Speaker 20: was simple and you could remember it and you understood it.
Speaker 20: Things are bad, I will make it good.
Speaker 12: M h.
Speaker 20: Everybody gets that story, right, It's fairy tale, one oh one.
Speaker 20: You can't counter that with policy proposals, right. I know
Speaker 20: we wish that's how people made decisions, but it's not.
Speaker 20: People make decisions from gut and instinct and feeling.
Speaker 6: I think you're so right. You're so right.
Speaker 3: You wrote a piece in The Times just today and
Speaker 3: you said it is time for us to accept that
Speaker 3: American politics is identity politics.
Speaker 6: Tell us what you meant by that.
Speaker 20: I meant that we have spent a lot of time,
Speaker 20: and by week again, I mean myself, people in the media.
Speaker 20: I think academics, researchers and politicians certainly have spent a
Speaker 20: lot of time saying that identity politics is dangerous, or
Speaker 20: at least it's murky.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 20: This is why we said occupied was a distraction for
Speaker 20: the Democrats. Black Lives Matter was a distraction for the Democrats.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 20: The feminist movement is a distraction for the Democrats because
Speaker 20: they won't focus on real issues that matter to real Americans.
Speaker 17: Right.
Speaker 20: The problem with that is that you assume that the
Speaker 20: only people with an identity are women and people of color,
Speaker 20: But as Donald Trump has proven. What he has proven
Speaker 20: and the way he has won has proven is that
Speaker 20: every voter has an identity. Every voter has an identity,
Speaker 20: and he tapped into one of the most powerful of
Speaker 20: American identities. He tapped into white identity, right right, and
Speaker 20: he said, you don't need to be ashamed of this identity.
Speaker 20: I'm going to give it a name, and I'm going
Speaker 20: to make you feel good about it, and you don't
Speaker 20: have to sacrifice a thing. Donald Trump played identity politics
Speaker 20: like a fiddle. So when you say that the Democrats
Speaker 20: lose because we pay identity politics, it simply isn't true.
Speaker 20: This is about whose identities win when you appeal to them.
Speaker 20: That means you should double down on the identities of
Speaker 20: your base. You should go out to them something I
Speaker 20: think Democrats really only did cosmetically this time, but to
Speaker 20: take seriously what the members of your base want, based
Speaker 20: on who they are and how they view themselves. I
Speaker 20: think if we did that, we would have understood why
Speaker 20: young men are anxious. I think we would have understood
Speaker 20: why a young women could yes be afraid of a
Speaker 20: post Dobbs America, but not think that the woman president
Speaker 20: would help them right. I think that if you appeal
Speaker 20: more directly actually to people's identities, how they see their identities,
Speaker 20: then you could play the game that Trump has played,
Speaker 20: but without all of the nefarious, self serving self aggrandizements.
Speaker 3: Do you feel, what do you What do you think
Speaker 3: that his character says about American masculinity?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 20: I think it says unfortunately almost everything. I'm sorry, I am,
Speaker 20: but I want you to know there's another way you
Speaker 20: can live, another way people with masculinity. There's another choice, But.
Speaker 3: Right now it is it is right now.
Speaker 20: His choice does look pretty compelling because he's winning. Right
Speaker 20: in America, we think of ourselves as winners, and so
Speaker 20: when somebody's winning, they must be the right choice.
Speaker 12: But I think what he says.
Speaker 20: About masculinity is that when masculinity feels threatened out and
Speaker 20: when it lashes out, it will not It doesn't care
Speaker 20: very much about who it takes that out on. What
Speaker 20: Trump embodies is just our national masculinity crisis of not
Speaker 20: knowing what it means to be a man when you
Speaker 20: can't rely on a job to define that, when you
Speaker 20: cannot rely on a woman's position to define you as
Speaker 20: a man, right, when you don't know what your role
Speaker 20: is in a family where everybody has to take care
Speaker 20: of the children. Everybody now has to take care of
Speaker 20: their parents because it's expensive and it's labor intensive. And
Speaker 20: he is promising you a version of masculinity when none
Speaker 20: of those things are happening. That doesn't change the fact
Speaker 20: that those things are happening, and they are coming for you.
Speaker 20: They're coming for all of us. But he is a
Speaker 20: nice little stop gap for people who want to continue
Speaker 20: to pretend a little while longer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so challenging in this moment in time. I
Speaker 3: have a son and I don't know how to explain
Speaker 3: to him that a convicted felon bully can be president. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: what do you even say to that?
Speaker 20: You know what I find fascinating. I actually think children
Speaker 20: get it a little better than.
Speaker 12: Some of the adults do.
Speaker 3: I believe that.
Speaker 20: Because they do actually deal with bullies. I think some
Speaker 20: of the problem with adults, especially those of us who
Speaker 20: reach you know, certain places in life, we haven't we
Speaker 20: haven't been punched by a bully in a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we gotta start getting gut punched. I'm saying it
Speaker 3: couldn't hurt. I'm going to rough up the crew later,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take that to heart. It's great advice. What
Speaker 3: do you think there were a lot of women that
Speaker 3: voted for him? Do you think that women were in
Speaker 3: denial about what he's been accused of? Are they Are
Speaker 3: they ignoring his allegations? They do they believe it's not true?
Speaker 3: Or are they just a willing participant in the patriarchy.
Speaker 6: And believe that that's just par for the course.
Speaker 20: Yeah, when I'm not feeling generous, I go with that
Speaker 20: one a tool of the patriarchy for.
Speaker 3: The rect When I am feeling a little more.
Speaker 20: Generous, I think that anxiety works on women too, And
Speaker 20: I think that when no one is really addressing the
Speaker 20: Democrats aren't either, by the way, aren't doing a much
Speaker 20: better job than the Republicans. Aren't addressing our fundamental problems.
Speaker 20: Our fundamental problems are housing is expensive, childcare is expensive,
Speaker 20: caring for our parents is expensive. Our children, for the
Speaker 20: first time probably won't do better than their parents.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 20: People feel that on a visceral level, But if nobody's
Speaker 20: giving you an actual solution to that, you will take
Speaker 20: what they are giving you. And what Donald Trump is
Speaker 20: given both men and women is an answer where at
Speaker 20: least it is clear what they are supposed to do.
Speaker 20: People don't like ambiguity. This weight will figure it out.
Speaker 20: Wait till we get through our ten point plan, right,
Speaker 20: Wait until we get back the house. You'll see it'll
Speaker 20: be fine. And all of that may be true, but
Speaker 20: that doesn't help you go to sleep at night. What
Speaker 20: does help you go to sleep at night is a
Speaker 20: guy who says, forget all about that, right, Get you
Speaker 20: a man like me, you won't have these problems. See
Speaker 20: look at malanias you don't care about child care, right, And.
Speaker 12: That does.
Speaker 20: Kind of solution. But I do think that the root
Speaker 20: of that is still anxiety about how are people supposed
Speaker 20: to make it?
Speaker 3: How are you feeling right now in this moment in time?
Speaker 3: Where do we go from here?
Speaker 20: There's where I think we're going to go, and then
Speaker 20: there's where I hope we're going to go. Okay, I
Speaker 20: think where we're going to go is a lot of
Speaker 20: blaming for the next couple years. I don't think Kamala
Speaker 20: Harris deserves blamed. This was an historically odd short campaign
Speaker 20: cycle for a relatively unknown candidate at the federal level
Speaker 20: who had to try to go out and make a
Speaker 20: pitch without being able to do that in the low
Speaker 20: stakes early days of primaries, et cetera, where maybe the
Speaker 20: pitch could have been refined. All of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 20: She inherited a lot of stuff from Biden.
Speaker 12: This is you know.
Speaker 20: I don't think Kamala Harris or her team deserves a
Speaker 20: ton of blame. I don't actually think Biden does either.
Speaker 20: This is just where we are. But I suspect it's
Speaker 20: going to be too attractive not to do the blaming
Speaker 20: because the Republicans didn't just do well.
Speaker 12: They did very well.
Speaker 20: We're talking about Trump, but also the House to senate
Speaker 20: some down beller races, they did very well. What I
Speaker 20: think we should be paying attention to is that a
Speaker 20: lot of people were able to parse the difference between
Speaker 20: defending abortion but also voting for Trump right right. That
Speaker 20: means people actually can't do nuance. That to me is
Speaker 20: the upside.
Speaker 3: If you've got a good pay, that's not.
Speaker 12: It, you know, is it something?
Speaker 20: People If you give them a story that doesn't challenge
Speaker 20: their identity too much, they're able to split a ticket.
Speaker 20: I think it's good news for Democrats who are going
Speaker 20: to need a lot of split tickets coming up. And
Speaker 20: one of the things that I hope happens on the
Speaker 20: other side is I hope the Democrats go back and
Speaker 20: make peace with the people and their party who tried
Speaker 20: to say these are the things that mattered to us,
Speaker 20: this is who we are, these are our identities, and
Speaker 20: we're the people.
Speaker 12: Who vote for you.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's what I hope happened, right, I.
Speaker 3: Do too, from your lists to God, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for being on the Shokay, Thank you. I'ven knowing
Speaker 3: We're gonna take a quick Frank will up again.
Speaker 19: Thank you tomorrow when Runny Changle here vote now here,
Speaker 19: it is.
Speaker 3: Here that back you just voted?
Speaker 6: I did, And who did you vote for?
Speaker 14: For Harris and tell me about how you came to
Speaker 14: this decision.
Speaker 17: So I wasn't gonna vote at all until my girlfriend
Speaker 17: was blowing up my phone telling me to go vote
Speaker 17: and if I didn't, she was going to break.
Speaker 8: Up with me.
Speaker 13: So now I'm here.
Speaker 6: Was she seriously going to break up with you?
Speaker 20: No?
Speaker 8: I made that up.
Speaker 15: She didn't say that.
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