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Speaker 1: Hello, this podcast will contain spoilers for the very not

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Speaker 1: recent movies, interview with a vampire and Queen of the

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Speaker 1: dumed so invite us in to watch those films with

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Speaker 2: Hello. My name is Rosie Knight and Angel Money, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to.

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Speaker 3: Spooooooky xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep into

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Speaker 3: your favorite spooky shows, spooky movies, spooky comics, and spooky

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Speaker 3: pop culture.

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Speaker 2: We're here at iHeart Podcasts where we bring you two

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Speaker 2: action packed episodes and at the moment very scary episodes

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Speaker 2: every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, first up in the Airlock, we're doing

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Speaker 4: a deep dive and interview with a vampire. Oh and

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Speaker 4: clud that's right, the an rights classics and their cinema journeys.

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Speaker 4: We're exploring them. Then we're headed to the back matter

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Speaker 4: to discuss our favorite vampire movie of all time. This

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Speaker 4: was not easy, y'all. Eliminations had to be made and

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Speaker 4: it was painful.

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Speaker 2: Will I embarrass myself with an answer to that? Perhaps?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? But first on previously, why do we love vampires? Joelle?

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Speaker 4: Okay, there's a lot of reasons. I think if we're

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Speaker 4: being honest. If I'm being honest, the number one reasons

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Speaker 4: they're sexy vampires. They're so angry and going very hot.

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Speaker 4: They willlament everything they're suffering. And I think as a

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Speaker 4: young lady getting into the horrors, I was like, who

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Speaker 4: Because a lot of monsters are gross and I don't

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Speaker 4: And then also you're upset. You have deep wells of emotion.

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Speaker 4: Boys don't have emotions. This is crazy, and you live forever,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to die. Wow, I mean a full

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Speaker 4: package here. Why do you love vampires? What was the thing?

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Speaker 4: Looked you?

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Speaker 2: I just think that you're right. I think there's something

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Speaker 2: I just want to say that I'm not condoning that

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Speaker 2: I just think it's also a very easy access point

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Speaker 2: just like, I want to watch something else. Russell Kuro

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Speaker 2: just read them online. They can, they can get them online.

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Speaker 2: But like you can read Dracula. You know, you can

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Speaker 2: read Bram Stoker's Dracula, and it's a classic, so it's

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Speaker 2: actually okay that, yes, you're reading it even though it's scary.

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Speaker 4: You're proud of you repeating it. You're like, this is film.

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Speaker 4: It's mildly traumatic. And they're like, but look at you reading.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm so glad you're reading this horrifying book. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then like you know, there are other ones, like

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Speaker 4: Are they very queer, but they're very Victorian.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh my gosh, so Gothic. And like there's

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Speaker 2: this quote from Belagosi where he's like, it is women

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find them in your horror, you can

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Speaker 4: Like they're totally flexible creatures, and like the Victorians of

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Speaker 4: Thus vampires, and then I think death, Like you know,

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Speaker 2: Well that that also might be why it appeals totally.

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Speaker 4: I mean they come out. If you think about Victorian era,

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Speaker 2: I love that. That's such a good point. And also

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's another like archetype or specifically

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Speaker 2: like Infected or something like. It really can be everything

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Speaker 2: Anne Rice did in these books is she just wrote

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Speaker 2: crafting this kind of underground vampiric world, which like, isn't

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Speaker 2: that what every team Goth wants to find? Like you're

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Speaker 2: I just think it's really Yeah, I think vampires are

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Speaker 4: They're both outsiders and the cool kid. Yes, it's a

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Speaker 2: That's such a good point. But yeah, I think I

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Speaker 2: love to see that kids are still loving vampires. I

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Speaker 2: love that we're getting more interesting vampire stories. And I

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Speaker 4: quick snack, guard your necks, and uh yeah, we come back.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about its all the greatest vampire

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Speaker 4: movies in all time, if we're being honest. Interview with

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Speaker 2: So, now that we've established why we love vampires, let's

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Speaker 2: get into the meat of Anne Rice's most famous adaptation,

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Speaker 2: Interview with a Vampire from you know, the early nineties.

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Speaker 4: There is so much But what I was really vice

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Speaker 4: Yes, first of all, but such a good Daniel Malloy,

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Speaker 4: This is opening to David Copperfield, whether I shall turn

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Speaker 4: this changes every This is such a pivotal, crucial moment

431
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: of Louis a being like again selfish to your point

432
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 4: and just being like, listen, I have to be a vampire.

433
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: I want a kid, Like give me one, please. I

434
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 4: don't care about your rules or how it's hurting you.

435
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 4: This is what I want. And then it also means

436
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 4: that List that is not only breaking a rule he

437
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 4: knows he wouldn't normally want to break, he's not really

438
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 4: taking like him wanting a child is not conducive to

439
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 4: the life. He tells us he wants to lead up

440
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: until this point, but it's also an interesting way to

441
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 4: try to keep Louis around.

442
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: It shows exactly which is the That's the explanation they

443
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: give in the movie is he's like manipulating Louis by saying, like, look,

444
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 2: I've given you a child, we can raise her together.

445
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: It makes him, which is obviously.

446
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: Straight villain as opposed to like a person involved in

447
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: this relationship that's toxic from all ankles, and it's sort

448
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 4: of it takes a little bit of the windo out

449
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: of the sales. I think of all the dynamics of

450
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: that relationship. I didn't love that. I do love the

451
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: casting of Kirsten Dunst as Claudia.

452
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: Yes, Kirsten Dunt's ten years old in this movie. They

453
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: had originally been thinking they were going to have like

454
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: six year olds, as that is her age in the book.

455
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: Kirsten Dunst was ten, and they cost her because they

456
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: wanted someone who could like understand the nuances of the role.

457
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: And she is unbelievable. And this is where we get

458
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: to the part of the movie that I think is

459
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: like the saddest and of course I'm not feeling sad

460
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: for Louis, though he feels sad for himself, but we

461
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: see the family and the way that Louis loves Claudia,

462
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: and the Stack kind of I don't know, just treats

463
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: her a doll, right like he he wants to dress

464
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: her up and spoil her and teach her and mold her,

465
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: you know them.

466
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: As in society he's been closed off too. Yeah, yeah, I.

467
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: Love that read. And then you know we end up

468
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: in a situation where thirty years after that, as time

469
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: moves so you know, quickly as it does for these

470
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: for these vampires, and Claudia is still just a baby.

471
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: I always remember being a kid. I thought that was

472
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: so scary, the idea that, like, you would be an

473
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: adult in your brain, but you are ten years old

474
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: to everyone else. And I think that Kirsten duntce just

475
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: like I love this whole sequence where she freaks out,

476
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: starts cutting her hair, tells them like, I hate you,

477
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: how could you do this to me? And then she

478
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: takes it out on the stat because he is the

479
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: one who made her, He's the one who had this

480
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: plan in this and you know, they try and run

481
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: away and she I always remember as well, when I

482
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: was first saw this this being like a really haunting

483
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: scene where she has the twins who she killed with

484
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: like poison and then she tricks list that into drinking

485
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: their blood to try and kill them, and then we

486
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: get kind of it's really funny to talk about this

487
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: post watching the AMC show because everything happens so quickly.

488
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: But then you know, boom, they're gonna get rid of

489
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: the stat's body and they're going to Paris. Baby, it's happening,

490
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: and we're already like in season two of the show,

491
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: like they fit so much into the movie tight and

492
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: we get it's really tight, and it feels also like engaging.

493
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: It keeps you watching. It's not something that feels like

494
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: a slot.

495
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 4: It's so it really highlights the difference between television and

496
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 4: film if you watch these adaptations back to back in

497
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: an interesting way, I have a filmmaker friend who doesn't

498
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 4: understand television, and I'm very excited to be like, I

499
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: have a solution so you can understand.

500
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: Watch these two things back to back.

501
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 4: And understand because television really allows you to luxuriate in

502
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: how a person arrived to an emotional standpoint. A film

503
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 4: really allows you to explore how an emotion can transform

504
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: you quickly.

505
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: Right, like, Wow, that's fantastic Joe.

506
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: And I like both of them, and I think they

507
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 4: both work like it feels like it shouldn't work because

508
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: you get so much time to explore, like how do

509
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 4: Louis and the stat fall for each other? Why does

510
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: their relationship not work? What does Claudia mean in such

511
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: a significant way? But you can cut through all of

512
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: that if you just tell the audience you have to

513
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 4: accept what I'm telling you. I'm not going to bother

514
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: to explain it. We don't have time to explain it.

515
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: The actors have to be so prepared and so invested,

516
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: and the visual imagery of like your sets have to

517
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: be so tight that they tell you what's going. For example,

518
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: if we look at Claudia's the bedroom scene, so she

519
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: Claudia's room is filled with dolls that she's collected over time.

520
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: Some of them are really old. That really highlights her

521
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 4: age in a way that doesn't you know, need a

522
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: lot of time to explain. These dolls look ancient. Why

523
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: does she have them? Because she look in them all

524
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: time ago? And then underneath all of this beautiful finery

525
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: a rotting body that she longs to possess that she cannot.

526
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: I mean, that's really fast telling you what we get

527
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 4: through like three or four episodes of Claudia exploring and

528
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: the television neither one better or worse than the other,

529
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: but just really fascinating. I was watching some clips of

530
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: Kirsten Dunst recently where she was talking about playing the

531
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: role of Claudia, and it's so charming because they were like,

532
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 4: you know how at one point she's supposed to look

533
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 4: like very suggestive and like your ten how do they

534
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 4: talk to you about this stuff? And it's the nineties

535
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 4: and we've seen a lot of crazy stuff about kids

536
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 4: back in the day, so that was a line of questioning.

537
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: Her response is so beautiful. She was like, so first,

538
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 4: both Brad and Tom protected me, which if you've heard

539
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: of thinking about how these guys are on their personal

540
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: lives versus how they behave on set, this calculates right.

541
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: Both of them have a lot of problematic shit that's

542
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: in their personal lives that you can read about, but

543
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: on set, for the most part, all you ever hear

544
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: is about how gentlemanly both of these guys are. So

545
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: they're professional and it's nice to know that that professionalism

546
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 4: was brought into being. In order to protect her, they

547
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: built her a Christmas tree in her dressing room, also

548
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: protesting her with her acting coach. She would work really

549
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: hard on the roll. She said she had like ten

550
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: return auditions, and she was like, when I was supposed

551
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: to be suggestive or older, my kind of coach would

552
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: be like, okay, so just I want you to make

553
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: a face like you stole your little brother's toy and

554
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: he doesn't know where it is and it's looking and

555
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: you're holding it. You know where it is, but he

556
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: can't find it. And she's like, and instantly you look

557
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: mischievous and older and wiser and like you know something

558
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: and like you have secrets. And it was so easy

559
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: for me as a ten year old to attach to that.

560
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: And it's always wonderful to hear about like how like

561
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: are there safe ways to bring children into performance where

562
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: this performance for children can be really releasing and it

563
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: helps them express a lot of things. And I think

564
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: theater and film and television are potentially great places for

565
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: children to experience art, but obviously there's also been very

566
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: detrimental not safe ways, And so I love hearing about

567
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 4: like old directors be like, no, this was a really

568
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: I had a great time on set and I was

569
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: able to pull the performance and it was good for everybody.

570
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: So that's silver linings on this movie, and I like it. Okay.

571
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: So Claudia and them they head over to and Louis

572
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 4: head over to Europe. Lestat's body he was dragging to

573
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: a swam but surprised he came back in a truly

574
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: horrifying masterful. Oh my gosh, we didn't even talk about

575
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: the makeup and stuff. Yet there's so much to talk about,

576
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: really very quickly. San Winston icon of cinema legend, truly iconic,

577
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: beautiful work. And there's this scene where Tom cruisells a

578
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: status at the piano and he was the one that ate.

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: When he's into the swamp, you think a gator eats him,

580
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: but no, he ate the gator. He's blood to get out. Listen.

581
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: He said he could survive on animals. Why no one thinks,

582
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. But he takes it back to the

583
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: house he's playing for.

584
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: Joe said, I have notes on this plan. I have

585
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: notes every time.

586
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 4: When he tries to kill a stet, I'm gonna have notes.

587
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: You do it? Badly, sir, you don't want this. And

588
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: there's a reversal, almost thriller like of his persona like

589
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: from decrepit swamp corpse to like thriving vampire. It happened

590
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: so fast and just a couple of shots. It's really

591
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: beautiful work. So if you just want to come in

592
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: for the costuming and the makeup and stuff, like, if

593
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 4: that's the thing, you appreciate this movie. Okay, we're in Europe.

594
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: Antonio Bandera shows up again. They just picked all the

595
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: hottest men of the era.

596
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also as well, so he's playing Armand, And

597
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: I think that this is a really clever piece of

598
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: casting because in this version, Armand is basically everything that

599
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: the stat is not, even in the way he looks

600
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: and the way he behaves and the way he tells

601
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: stories and the way he lives, and that comes across

602
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: so clearly here when you look at banderas versus Cruise,

603
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, and I love the vampire show, the Vampire

604
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Parisian Ballet, where they do a show and they kill

605
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: people in front of the audience and the audience never

606
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: knows if they're like if they're humans and if they're vampires.

607
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: They're loving it. I just think it's one of the

608
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: coolest representations of vampirism and this idea of like how

609
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: vampires could live among us, and I found that really enchanting.

610
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: As a kid, I actually got to go to a

611
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: thing called the Circus of Horrors once I was a

612
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: little kid. I was probably about eleven, and it was

613
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: like a contortionist and like you know, aerial acting, but

614
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: all scary and gothic, you know, And that was definitely

615
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: something I wanted to go to Because of this, and

616
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: also circ The Freak. I loved those books as a kid,

617
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: and I think something I really loved about the AMC

618
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: Plus series is I really really loved how much time

619
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: we got to spend in Paris and how we got

620
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: to learn about Armand's relationship with Louis. Because when I was,

621
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: you know, a kid, I watched this. This just feels

622
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: almost like a blink of the eye. The most important thing,

623
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: and the most important thing is yeah, and they basically

624
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: we you know, the Parisian vampires abduct. They abduct Louis

625
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: and Claudia and Claudia's new like adult plaything that Louis

626
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: has made her and basically are like you guys killed

627
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: the Stat and that goes against number one vampire of rule.

628
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: So we're gonna kill your ladies. You're gonna kill Claudia,

629
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: gonna kill her friend, and then you're gonna be put

630
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: in like a for it of a closet to die,

631
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: like in a coffin. You're going to be up in

632
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: the in the scary catacombs. And it's it's a cool moment.

633
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: It's a cool like thing where it's really sad the

634
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: way they kill Claudia. We really get to see like

635
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: her fear in that moment. But this is never the

636
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: part of the movie that I'm always like remembering. Yeah,

637
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: Whereas in the TV series, I will always remember Armand

638
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: I will always remember Santiago. I will always remember the

639
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: drama and the love. And I love how, you know,

640
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: in this film we see armand free Louis. But I

641
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: love how in the TV series they like twisted it

642
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: around and he expected that it was armand but really

643
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: it was you know, uh less Stat. And this is

644
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: where I think it gets really interesting, because you know,

645
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: Anne Rice did say she knew the Hollywood was homophobic.

646
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: She'd actually rewritten the script at one point to make

647
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: listat a woman so that it wouldn't be seen as gay,

648
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: so that it would be able to be heterosexual. And

649
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: it's very interesting thinking about the finale of season two

650
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: of Interview the Vampire and that unbelievable reunion that we get.

651
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: That is like probably one of my favorite episodes of

652
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: TV I've seen in years, where you kind of learn

653
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 2: the real truth of what the last eight years have been.

654
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: And here all we get is like Louie's emo around

655
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: the world and he just goes around the world and

656
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: he's like and then he sees Louis and then they

657
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: never joined back together again. And I'm just like, guys, like,

658
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: this is not what the people want to see. This

659
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: is a tragic romance. We don't need Louis to be

660
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: smart and say I wouldn't get with you Lista. I

661
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: want to know that those two are going to be

662
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: together forever because they love each other.

663
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: At the toxic you don't get the full like closure

664
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: you need with armand because you're okay mm hmm, everything

665
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: happens if you've seen the series emails, so basically they

666
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: get there the Paris Covenants, like not cool that you

667
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: came here and didn't check in with us, or like

668
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 4: we don't really follow your new old school vampire rules

669
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: like where new vampires get with it, and they're like, hey,

670
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: not cool. Actually we're gonna kill your progeny because you're

671
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: not supposed to make a you own one, and we

672
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: don't like that. You're taking our leader and questioning all

673
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 4: of our rules. So now you're getting buried, right, deal

674
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 4: with it. Yeah, none of that gives you the emotional

675
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 4: power of like the murder Mansion party in the series

676
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 4: is sensational in the books, this second, like the following

677
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 4: for armand of here's somebody who's stable and also looking

678
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: to change his life, and like we're gonna be two

679
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: owners who have come together to like go out into

680
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 4: the world and make something for ourselves. Like that's really

681
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 4: valuable to and again when you have the queer context

682
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: that I've been hidden my whole life, and here's a

683
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: new world and a new day that I get to

684
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 4: embrace on my own terms, Like all of that has

685
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: so much value in here. Man Lily is just really

686
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: he's just crying and he's leaving his daughter and you're

687
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 4: not quite sure why. It's truly a mess. But what

688
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: I will say is the last tiny bit of this movie.

689
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 4: It comes right back and hits the sunrises through cinematic hite.

690
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: If your Sinning'm a buff was beautiful, like all these

691
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: great scenes from these classic movies with the sunrises in it. Again,

692
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: if you're a person who's putting yourself in the place

693
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: of Louis, when you're reading or watching this, you're like, wow,

694
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: you must like the colors coming back, like the things

695
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: he sees us. That really hits me emotionally. The conversation

696
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 4: between them is to your point mid it's okay. Louis like,

697
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: so you've come back, and he's like, no, I gotta go.

698
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 4: You're like, why did we see this? Why did we

699
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 4: come back here to why did you make the trip?

700
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: Like so annoying?

701
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: Did not need it? I don't want to hear you're no.

702
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: But then yes, I love this.

703
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: I just love I love the ending of this movie

704
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: because like Louis like so pissed at Malloy and he's like,

705
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: you do don't write this story.

706
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 6: You're gonna scandalize it, like you don't understand it, like

707
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 6: and he's being a little spoiled guy again. And then

708
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 6: they were like, okay, so we need to let people

709
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: know that Malloy is going to become a vampire in

710
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 6: the Cannon and maybe there's another movie.

711
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: So what if we just had him drive over the

712
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Golden gate Bridge where Lestat just appears and like take

713
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: control of the car in an unbelievable Hollywood jump scene

714
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: like up there, maybe with like when Carrie's hand comes

715
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: out of the grave at the end, but it's just

716
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: the dream, or when Jason grabs the girl at them Yes,

717
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: Friday thirteenth, I definitely think this is up there, like

718
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: and I always I really distinctly remember like Tom Cruise's

719
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: face as the stat in this moment, and it's kind

720
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: of like like it's scary, classic Halloween. And then he's like, bro,

721
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: guess what want to be a vampire? I can make

722
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: you a vampire. I'll give you the choice I never had.

723
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: And he started again, and he obviously has hooked the

724
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: young Malloy, who obviously we know and love. Now I

725
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: love you, Christian Slater, But this is Eric Bogosian's magnum opus,

726
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: is his his role as Daniel Malloy, and I he

727
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: is a.

728
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 4: Fan the way he's teasing, like he did are Mind

729
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: from the series in him if you ever seen them

730
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: an interview, He's like, Hey, excited for us to get together.

731
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, baby, I have could wait. Like the

732
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: two of them together are so excited for this romance

733
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 4: that it's genuinely made me thrilled. I would hate this change,

734
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: except it makes perfect sense in the context of this

735
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: film adaptation, Like it's got to be our mom that

736
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: changes malloy. It just has to. But in this movie

737
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: adaptation where you're really only spending time with your two

738
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 4: main vampires, I like it. I think it's a good

739
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 4: jump scare ending. It feels tight. Man. If they could

740
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 4: have just figured out the end part of that second

741
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: act from Europe on and just really brought again they

742
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: were too afraid to be queer, and that part is

743
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: extremely gay. All your gay friends don't like your new lover.

744
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: They want to kick you out of the group, but

745
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: you don't want to leave the conflict So good. But yeah,

746
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: that is Interview with Vampire nineteen ninety four. It's a

747
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: huge turning point for Brad Pitt to did have Ema

748
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: and Louise in nineteen ninety one, and then a river

749
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: runs through it comes out this same year. I think

750
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: a little bit earlier, around the same time, and from

751
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: there he's Brad Pitt Like, these are the two movies

752
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 4: that really submit to who he is as an icon

753
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: in cinema and it's changing. And then for Tom, you know,

754
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: as a producers.

755
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: It really like also reintroduces Tom Cruise after like his

756
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: AES movie is run. You know, here he is in

757
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: like a serious period horror, fantasy, queer epic, and I

758
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: think that is like a huge moment for both of them.

759
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I really, I really do love

760
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: this film. I watch it so often. I just I

761
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: think it's so great and I think I do have

762
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: a nostalgia for it totally. But I also just like

763
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: to explore worlds with vampires, and I think this is

764
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: a very immersively built world.

765
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: They get it, they get it. We'll talk about if

766
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: they get it in Queen of the Damned.

767
00:39:40,400 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 7: When we come back, Oh Baby, Oh Baby, We're back

768
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 7: to talk about Oh the early arts seminal film Queen

769
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 7: of the Danned.

770
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: It was the Leah's debut and exit as a star.

771
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that role. I have many thoughts. It

772
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: has been a manute since I watched this film, but

773
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: we've talked a lot about how this was like a

774
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 4: real turning put so remind the audience for you, ye

775
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 4: Queen of the Dand what's the time period, what's happening?

776
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: Why do you fall in love with that?

777
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's two thousand and two, which means I

778
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: am fourteen, and I am a goth. I was a

779
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: cool goth, and I love vampires and I love vampire movies.

780
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: And I was also starting to get into kind of

781
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: like rock music, but like no I'd always been into

782
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: like ACDC and like classic rock, but I was starting

783
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: to get into like Deaftones, and I was hanging around

784
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: with cool girls who made like cool mixed CDs of

785
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: like Slipknot and stuff. And I went to see this

786
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: movie at the cinema in Woodgreen. We went on the

787
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: bus and we went to see it because it was

788
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: on I don't even know that it had been particularly

789
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: well marketed, because, as you mentioned, this movie actually only

790
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: got a theatrical release because of the tragic death of Aleah.

791
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a straight to video sequel

792
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: before that. And we went to cinema and we watched it,

793
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: and I legit like thought it was one of the

794
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: coolest movies I've ever seen. Like for me, it was

795
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: like it was not an ironic like early on, it

796
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: was like, this is really cool. I love Stuart Townsend.

797
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: This soundtrack is all like new male and also a

798
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: Leah's in it as like a cool, powerful female vampire,

799
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: and there's all this like weird Talamasca law which you

800
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: never really get into in interview the Vampire. And also

801
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: you get the classic dream scenario that from everything from

802
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: Star Wars to Harry Potter is that you are special,

803
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: and you're so special that while your life is boring

804
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: and unhappy and maybe doesn't fulfill you, you are actually going

805
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: to get a second chance at a life that is

806
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: going to be so fulfilling and so romantic and so adventurous.

807
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: And I really do think that Queen of the Damned

808
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: kind of encapsulates all of that. And obviously, like now,

809
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: it's one of those movies that I kind of champion

810
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: as like, hey, yeah, this movie might objectively be a

811
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: pretty bad movie, but there is so much fun to

812
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: be had. I also am a big proponent of like

813
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: this era of Zero's movies and the esthetic that they have.

814
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: I was on Escape Patch formerly known as junepod recently

815
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: talking about Chronicles of Riddick, and it also has a

816
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: very similar aesthetic, which is this like early days of

817
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: CG and these bleed kind of these darkened palettes that

818
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: were really bleached out, which we get a lot of here,

819
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 2: mostly because they need to make the vampires look pale.

820
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a huge moment for me. I

821
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: love the soundtrack. I still know every word of it

822
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: by heart. Last year I actually wrote an article about

823
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: the soundtrack at Polygon and about how influential it is.

824
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: And I've been incredibly stoked to see loads of young

825
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: women on TikTok who do like the Akasha dance and

826
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: they dress up like Akasha and they dance to the soundtrack.

827
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: And Akasha obviously played by Eliyah, who's essentially like the

828
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: queen of all vampires, like the oldest vampire you could imagine.

829
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just love this movie. I watch it

830
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: a lot. I watch it every spooky season. I always

831
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: like am prostolytizing to people about the soundtrack, especially now

832
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: like kids wearing Jinko jeans again. And the best thing

833
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: is about the movie and the soundtrack is that the

834
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: story begins as it does in the book and as

835
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: it will maybe in the new in season three, but essentially,

836
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: the start's bored. He's been asleep all this time. No

837
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: louis to distract him, and he is awakened by the

838
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: sound of music. In this case, he's literally awakened his

839
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: deathly slumber by new metal. And he's like, bro, this

840
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: is waiting for He's like, this is it. He's like,

841
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: I've lived through, you know, the Harlem Renaissance, Like I've

842
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: heard every single piece of music that's ever been written

843
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: since the nineteen hundreds when I first went to sleep

844
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: in this little coffin. But you know what woke me up?

845
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: New metal and I love it. And Stuart Townsend is

846
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: that basically goes over there in his low cut jeans

847
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: and starts doing some weird singing and they're like, yeah,

848
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: you can be the leader of our band. And then

849
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: it's just like a story about how list that is

850
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: in a band tell and his lyrics tell the secrets

851
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: of vampire songs.

852
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: For not a clear reason, by the way, if I

853
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: can in it, yeah, yeah. This was the part of

854
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 4: the movie that hooks me up the most, where I

855
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: like completely as a kid, I was like, well, yeah,

856
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: no fuck. The establishment was essentially the vibes of this

857
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 4: film was like, yeah, but they told me I couldn't tell,

858
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna. I'm doing it. Why does he lure

859
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: all these vampires to a place where humans that he

860
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: claims to love their mortality are uh? And then the

861
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: plot is loose, it's it's yeah, it's very thin. But

862
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: because it's about him being a rock star, there's something

863
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: that makes a lot of sense about him just being like, no,

864
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 4: I'm just here, like literally a rebel without a cause.

865
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 4: I have no reason to be this angry or upset.

866
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: I just am, and you need to get on board.

867
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: I will fight, I will tell all of our secrets

868
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: and see what does a great job? I forget how

869
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 4: solid the first like fifteen to twenty minutes of this

870
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: film is like they oh yeah.

871
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's another world where if it all stayed

872
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: at like that quality, and it would probably be less

873
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: of like a B movie cult classic and more of

874
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: just like a standard cult fave. Yeah.

875
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: The first half feels more expensive than the back half,

876
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: which made me have a lot of true yeah, like

877
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: just tonally, I think the performances are stronger up top.

878
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: The story is much tighter. They explain the Tallamascus so

879
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: quickly for somebody if you have no idea what that

880
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 4: Laura is about or who they are. The explanation and

881
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: as quick it is sufficient, it like gets you into

882
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 4: the story. I think that Stewart does a great job

883
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: is like narrating early Lissette story. The press conference scene

884
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: was sending me.

885
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: Out in a minute, and it was that scene is

886
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: like so good.

887
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: I didn't recognize that. The teaser they did for the

888
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: next season of Interview with the Vampire the TV show

889
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: is kind of riffing on that press conference definitely like

890
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: he's yeah, so Listat has to give a press conference

891
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: to the band basically be like, hey, you've heard our

892
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: album is I'm a Vampire. I'm telling you all of this.

893
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: I don't care. So he's in another room but adjacent

894
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 4: so he can see the reporters. Uh there's like cameras

895
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 4: facing them. He has TV screens in front of them,

896
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: and he's said he's revealing who he is. It's so

897
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: funny because none of the reporters are like okay, yeah,

898
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 4: like we're gonna need Everyone's like, okay, so you're a vampire.

899
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Cool?

900
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're a vampire. I'm into it. Like that

901
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. I mean, the talamasca exists

902
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: in this world enough that are in character is just

903
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: a random talamasca like research, so but perhaps people are

904
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: aware of it. But yeah, I really love the first

905
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: whole opening part of this movie. I think that the

906
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: idea of him being a kind of rock stars. It's

907
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: Jonathan Davis's voice and then it's Stuart Townsend singing, you know,

908
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: and I think it's such a cool idea. And I

909
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: think that now it kind of looks like a gem

910
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: of like wow, they just didn't get this when it

911
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: came out, because now there's all these kids and they

912
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: wear Jinko jeans and tiny shirts and cool golf makeup. Yeah,

913
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: and they're watching this like this is cool as hell,

914
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: Like how did this?

915
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 6: Oh?

916
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? So this is also, I will say, one of

917
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: my favorite eras of Zero's movies, and also vampire representation,

918
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: which is like every vampire is a hot steam punk

919
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: adjacent like bondage leather wearing sexy raver. Yeah they and

920
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: they all meet in like a sexy rave pub in London,

921
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: and it's really like, how would you update a vampire

922
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: and The truth is, as we kind of touched on

923
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: in the previously on, you really don't need to because

924
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: the nature of a vampire is inherently appealing to many people,

925
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: so you can really have any kind of vampire. But

926
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 2: they're like, these vampires are goths. You would see these

927
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: vampires at slime light, like and when she goes to

928
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: the pub where she wants to find, you know.

929
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: Of the talamask of them. Before this, you see a

930
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 4: very quick dream where she's an orphan and she's like,

931
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 4: I dreamed of having this family, but it's probably just

932
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 4: dream all orphans have. Crazysco is like, girl, mind your business.

933
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: We observe the occult from like afar. We don't get involved.

934
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 4: That's not our job. We're just here to be recording.

935
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,959
Speaker 4: Please don't get involved. She's like through that, this isn't

936
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: time travel. I'll crush all the butterflies, as she goes

937
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 4: straight to the coolest nightclub, a nightclub in the Warehouse district.

938
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 4: I cannot tell you about the early adds L ninety.

939
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: The best thing is it's also like a pub. Yeah,

940
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: it's like it's it's so it feels very akin when

941
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 2: I was a kid. We would go to like raves

942
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: and after parties, and they would be in what looks

943
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: like a normal pub like this, which one's the Admiral

944
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: Arms and then inside it's like a rave I was.

945
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: Actually it's like one of the best, funniest, most specific

946
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: London points here that actually is very realistic. And Jesse

947
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: puts on her best like long black trench coat and goes.

948
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 6: Down and she sciphers, I love her so much.

949
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: And she goes there to look for the stat because

950
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: she is the only one clever enough from the Talamasca

951
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: to uncover what his secret songs mean. And they have

952
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: this like meet cue and then you know it's it's

953
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: like she sees him, and then we learn about there's

954
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: a lot of actually there's a lot of interview the

955
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: Vampire Law here, because you learn about the person who

956
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: turnedstat Marius, and you learn about the Talamasca, and they

957
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: really did expand the world of it, even as the

958
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 2: stuff that we mostly remember is like list that wearing

959
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: low cut snakeskin pants and like crawling up on a

960
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: ceiling before he eats some girls, you.

961
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 4: Know, as an interview with the vampire fan. And again,

962
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: I've not completed the series, so feel free to just

963
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 4: check me about the facts. As far as I've gotten

964
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: into the book series and as far as Mary's is

965
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 4: not the vampire that turns the stat the stats maker

966
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: kills himself pretty quickly. Spoiler alert, I guess, but we

967
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: gave it to you at the top. Please don't be mad.

968
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 4: Stats Maker destroys himself, he self immolates. He's like, listen,

969
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 4: and the wayless that is chosen in the books is

970
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: the most metal thing ever. I couldn't believe he's the

971
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 4: wolf killer he like in order to protect his really

972
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: his mother, but technically his village. He was like, I

973
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: would go out into the woods and he kills a

974
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: bunch of wolves by as a human. He's not a vampire.

975
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: He's just out here sling a vampire series. He's like, Wow,

976
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: that kid is gorgeous and he's a wolf killer. Okay,

977
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: wolf killer, and you're gonna take on my lineage. And

978
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 4: it's a huge traumatic experience for the stat that really

979
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: defines who he is in his vampire state, because he's

980
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 4: left alone, there's no one which again, they'll talk, they'll

981
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 4: bring a lot of these things back. Is reflected in

982
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 4: his relationship with Marius. Marius does love to leave his progyny.

983
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: He's like, listen, peace, I don't have time.

984
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: And he's like, man, I got you.

985
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 4: Just go for it, guys, right, I have the responsibility

986
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: of caring for the king and queen back here Akasha,

987
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: that's Leah's a character and her king. They're ancient. Sometimes

988
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 4: they just need to sleep for a very long time.

989
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 4: It's Mariyu's job to protect them. Marius is a horrible, horrible,

990
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 4: horrible person. He's god awful and bad as a human being,

991
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: worst as a vampire. But he's not the status maker.

992
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 4: And it just I was like tweaked a little bit of.

993
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: I was like, this is like hell the law. But yeah,

994
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: I love your point of that. I will also say

995
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: it's like, the funniest thing is when people think about

996
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: this movie, they don't think about any of the stuff

997
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: we're talking about. They just think about Leah. Yeah, they

998
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: think about Akasha, who is literally in the movie for

999
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes, but it is a powerful twenty minutes.

1000
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: She enters, she burns up the bar, she's doing a

1001
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 2: sexy dance, she loves the stat and then they end

1002
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: up in this romance all of like making out in

1003
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: a Bathtub full of Roses.

1004
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: So good we love honestly one of the.

1005
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: Best songs and scenes of all time.

1006
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: I totally forgot how we got to this part, but

1007
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen,

1008
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 4: but I really love it. They're good. The concert scene

1009
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: is all like in Death Valley, really works well. I

1010
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 4: think overall, like this is a totally watchable film. The

1011
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 4: romance at the end, and you get a trope that

1012
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 4: sort of has now become like a standard if you're

1013
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: going to do an interview with a vampire adaptation, which

1014
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 4: is you must end with the turning of an unsuspecting character.

1015
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: A vampire pops up out of nowhere and must turn

1016
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: one of the humans as the vampires continue to grow

1017
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: their numbers, and it really works here. It's so lovely.

1018
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: I also love that Jesse gets to be turned into

1019
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: a vampire. I think that's part of what made it

1020
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: appeal so much to me as a kid. Yeah, it

1021
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: was like, you actually get the wish fulfillment of well,

1022
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: now you get to fall in love with a vampire

1023
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: and be turned, which I guess then becomes a very

1024
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: influential on like a Twilight totally or something you know,

1025
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: the dream of, like do you get to live as

1026
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 2: a creature of the night completely?

1027
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 4: She's so cool and effortless. I will say, them making

1028
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 4: Nikki a girl in this, I was like, what sab

1029
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 4: be bisexual? It's really pain panimy gay gay, Like you

1030
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 4: could have done that scene with a guy and not

1031
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 4: had it venture an issue, a clear quarity and just

1032
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 4: left a little bit for us. But no, the two

1033
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 4: thousands were very homophobic and they wouldn't let.

1034
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: Us have it.

1035
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: Okay, ROSI believe to go do very important comic book things.

1036
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 4: But before you go, I really quickly wanted to know

1037
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 4: favorite vampire movie of all time Ago.

1038
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: I am going to go with a cheat answer, which

1039
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: is the mid calla trilogy of Hamma horror movies, which

1040
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: are basically car Milla movies, the second kind of big

1041
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: vampire novel and they're very gay. They were incredibly controversial

1042
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: when they came out from Hammer because they were incredibly

1043
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: delicitly erotically lesbian. And Nick discovered them recently like maybe

1044
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: like this time last year, and we've watched them so

1045
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: many times. They're so great. There's three of them, and

1046
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: I honestly think they're like some of the best vampires

1047
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: we've ever gotten. If I was if I just have

1048
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: to pick one, it will be Lost Boys, because I

1049
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: am the world's biggest Lost Boys Stan. But I'm going

1050
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: a little bit out of the box with Meyercarla aka

1051
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: Kameila trilogy.

1052
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: That's so beautiful. My quick cut would be Thirty Days

1053
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 4: of Night. It's so graphic.

1054
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 2: Anchory and it's a comic book movie.

1055
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: Yes, and filled with so much horror, and it's great.

1056
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: But my absolute ultimate, the one I would die for,

1057
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 4: the thing that restarted my love of DVDs is only

1058
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 4: Lovers Left Alive. When I tell y'all, stuck his whole

1059
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: foot in this movie, it starts till the Swinton to

1060
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 4: Mia Wazakowska and one of Antony Jelchin's last roles, and

1061
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: Jeffrey right before he really has this like major resurgence

1062
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 4: within his career. Y'all want to talk about healthy Vampire?

1063
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: Also there soundtracks? Yeah, So I went to actually I

1064
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: went to see that by myself at the Leicester Square odeon.

1065
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: They did an event. It was twenty dollars for a ticket,

1066
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: twenty pounds for a ticket. I now realize if we

1067
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: were pressed like it would probably have mostly been a

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Speaker 2: press thing, but they probably sold tickets, and they had

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Speaker 2: the band and it was a mixture of a Detroit

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Speaker 2: garage band and then I believe, like a Yemeny band

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Speaker 2: and they play all the music from the movie. And

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Speaker 2: they showed the movie and there was like an after

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Speaker 2: party at Heaven, which is a gay bar, and I

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Speaker 2: just I love that movie so much. That's such a

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Speaker 2: fantastic pick.

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Speaker 4: Well. I really love about this movie is the fact

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Speaker 4: that it explores the destruction of Detroit and actually has

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Speaker 4: like healthy romances. In addition to the soundtrack, everything about

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Speaker 4: this really works. And Jim Jarmus's camera is some of

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Speaker 4: the most beautiful camera worker're going to see maybe ever.

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Speaker 4: It's astounding. So check out Only Lovers Left Alive. It's

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Speaker 4: available in a lot of places.

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Speaker 2: That's it for today's episode. Next week, we're back with

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Speaker 2: more coverage of the Penguin and Agatha all along. Aren't

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Speaker 2: we lucky to have these quality superhero shows BA truly

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Speaker 2: on our TV, Plus some more Halloween and an exploration

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Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty four, possibly the greatest year for horror.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 5: Bae x ray Vision is hosted by Jason N. Supsion

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Speaker 5: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our

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Speaker 5: supervising producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen

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Speaker 5: Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi our discoord moderator.