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Speaker 1: you plugged in with a Houston Texans. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: this Friday edition of Texas All Access. And it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I'm your host is SEVENE John Harris, football analyst, sideline reporter.

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Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna talk about Charles Crossing this segment

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Speaker 1: as DPC did a deep dive with Chrissy Freud to

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Speaker 1: discuss the All American left tack from Mississippi State. But

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Speaker 1: before we get there, a little bit of news about

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Speaker 1: your Texans. I just asked Mark at the end of

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Speaker 1: that segment, the leading rusher for the Texans will be

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Speaker 1: a rookie drafted in this draft. Well, maybe that's not

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Speaker 1: entirely the case, because Marlon Mack is now a Texan.

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Speaker 1: According to sources that we've seen throughout the interwebs, the

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Speaker 1: former Cults running back has been signed by the Texans.

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Speaker 1: So Marlon Mack, if he can channel the playoff game

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Speaker 1: from twenty eighteen into a season for the Texas in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the answer to that question will be false. No,

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Speaker 1: Mack will be the leading rusher of this team. But

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Speaker 1: Marlin mac added to the roster that happened during the break.

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Speaker 1: Nothing slowing down ever for Nick Kissario and the Texans

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Speaker 1: at this point. All right, let's learn a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But offensive tackle that hopefully I didn't introduce you to

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Speaker 1: in the previous segment. I mean I introduced him to you,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully that's not the first time you heard of

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross because this guy, missed to be stated, is

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Speaker 1: an absolute gem of a left tackle. He is got

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Speaker 1: tremendous feet, excellent athlete. His pass protection skills I think

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Speaker 1: are just on point and in a Mike Leach system,

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Speaker 1: they've got to be. And I'll give you this to

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Speaker 1: Marvin Leal going into the season, was thought to be

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Speaker 1: a five pick. I think I had him number three

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Speaker 1: and Harris one hundred. I was really excited the first

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Speaker 1: two years made twenty twenty one was not that year

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Speaker 1: for De Marvin Leo. He was playing to protect himself

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Speaker 1: and thinking about the draft. I mean it was pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: I mean he declared for the draft twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: I think after the season was over. The Marvin leel

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Speaker 1: did play like De marvn Leal did in the first

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Speaker 1: couple of years. Either way, Leale is going against Charles Cross,

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Speaker 1: and it looked like a JV player against the varsity player,

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Speaker 1: and the varsity player was not de Marvin Lew. Charles

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Speaker 1: Cross had one. I mean, you just dominated him all

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Speaker 1: night in college station in Missisipi State and winning that

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Speaker 1: football game before Zach Kell's out. I got it turned around.

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Speaker 1: I think either the following week or the week after

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Speaker 1: when they beat Alabama point being, Charles Cross made an

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Speaker 1: uber athlete like de Marvin Leal look like a JV

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Speaker 1: player next to him. Charles Cross is an absolute dominating presence. Now.

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Speaker 1: I said he's great in past protection, I think his

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Speaker 1: run game protection needs a little bit more. But our

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Speaker 1: next guest, Chrissy Freud's, well, she's got a little something

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Speaker 1: for those people kind of like me that I think

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Speaker 1: he can run block, but there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people out there don't think he can well. Deep seater

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Speaker 1: at a chance, catch you up with Chrissy Freud and

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Speaker 1: talk about Charles Cross and just wait for a comment

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Speaker 1: about Charles Cross the run blocker. Deepe take it away.

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Speaker 1: It's the Deep Plant presented by Exfinity. We're continuing our

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Speaker 1: draft series on top NFL prospects, and this time we're

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Speaker 1: talking offensive tackle Charles Cross out of Mississippi State and

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Speaker 1: joining me today is Chrissy Freud. She's the lead editor

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Speaker 1: and writer for Sports Illustrated is Calbell Corner. She covers

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State sports. Chrissy, welcome in. Excited to talk a

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Speaker 1: little Charles Cross with you. Yeah, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. All Right, So, first off, I know

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Speaker 1: he was a highly touted five star recruit coming into

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State, and he's garnered all sorts of awards All American,

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Speaker 1: First Team, All SEC. But what went into his decision

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Speaker 1: to enter the draft process now and not stay another

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Speaker 1: year at Mississippi State. I mean, he's only a redshirt sophomore.

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Speaker 1: So can you tell us a little bit about why

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Speaker 1: now was the time from to enter the draft? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at the draft order and

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Speaker 1: kind of this class and all of that, it was

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Speaker 1: just time. I don't really think that he had a

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Speaker 1: ton to build off of moving forward. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that obviously, when you have a guy that's projected by

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Speaker 1: some analysts to be chosen quite literally at first overall

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Speaker 1: in the first round. I really think that from a

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Speaker 1: draft stock perspective, that he didn't see anything else that

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Speaker 1: he needed to do or anywhere to grow, and that

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Speaker 1: it was just kind of time to go. All right,

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Speaker 1: So what can you tell us about some of the

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Speaker 1: strengths of his game and what impact he has when

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Speaker 1: he's in the lineup for that Mississippi State Bulldogs offensive line. Well,

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Speaker 1: they nicknamed him sweet Feet because his footwork is so good.

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Speaker 1: That's an area that he's really solid, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's I mean, it's really important, especially at the next

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Speaker 1: level when you're going up against these really talented edge

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Speaker 1: rushers who can change direction on you. I think that

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Speaker 1: his athleticism. I think his athleticism it is probably the

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Speaker 1: thing that you hear the most about, because you can't

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Speaker 1: be an offensive lineman in the air raid without athleticism.

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Speaker 1: It's a very different type of system. There's wider splits

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Speaker 1: in this offense. The two point stances utilize more than

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Speaker 1: the three point stances. It's different from a lot of schemes.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of to eliminate the glutton. There's a reason

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Speaker 1: for that, and it's a lot harder to stop. From

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Speaker 1: the players that I've talked to who have gone up

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Speaker 1: against it. But I think between the footwork, the athleticism,

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Speaker 1: the versatility. At Pro Day he played right tackle and

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Speaker 1: left tackle. He has a lot of core strength. He

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Speaker 1: really seems to push guys around pretty much at will,

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Speaker 1: and then he keeps his form because offensive lineman, you

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Speaker 1: want them to stay square, which is even more important

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Speaker 1: than whether or not they're gaining or losing ground. So

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Speaker 1: I think tangibly that he brings and those are all

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Speaker 1: really good things. And then as far as intangibles go,

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Speaker 1: he's quiet, keeps his head down and works, but it's

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Speaker 1: a quiet confidence. Like every once in a while, and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really say much in interviews, but every once

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Speaker 1: in a while they'll ask him something about like the

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Speaker 1: run block, that stigma that's kind of surrounding him right now,

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Speaker 1: and he'll just say things like watch the film and

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Speaker 1: just leave it at that. Yeah, I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 1: up the run blocking because it seems like you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the air raid offense under Mike Leach, and while his

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Speaker 1: numbers were so good in that offense, the fact that

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Speaker 1: they didn't really run the ball as much as maybe

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Speaker 1: say other teams, that sort of became a knock against

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross. But you know, what, have you seen from

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Speaker 1: him as far as his preparation for teams that may

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Speaker 1: want to use him more. Obviously the NFL, they're going

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Speaker 1: to run the ball. But you know, what can you

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Speaker 1: say about his improvements or his strengths when it comes

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Speaker 1: to run blocking. Yeah, well, I think that as far

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Speaker 1: as run technique goes that kind of stuff. I saw

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Speaker 1: that Matt Miller tweeted something that a scout who had

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Speaker 1: been watching him and noticed a lot of improvement in

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Speaker 1: that just this season alone, and as far as the

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Speaker 1: run blocking goes in general. The issue that we have here,

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Speaker 1: and this expands beyond just him, is that there's this

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Speaker 1: thing that goes on in college football whenever a players

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Speaker 1: going on to the NFL, if they were not asked

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Speaker 1: to do something, slowly, this narrative builds and not only

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Speaker 1: were they not asked to do it, but that they

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Speaker 1: can't do it, which is hardly ever the case. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that Charles Cross committed

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Speaker 1: to Mississippi State in twenty eighteen, and his true freshman

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Speaker 1: season was in twenty nineteen, so you'll notice that that's

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Speaker 1: when Joe Moorehead was here, and that's someone who ran

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Speaker 1: the ball a lot used the quarterback power run quite

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Speaker 1: a bit, really utilize his running backs. They had Kyle

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Speaker 1: and Hill here, and so this wasn't a team that

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Speaker 1: passed the ball much and really did not do well

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Speaker 1: through the year at all. So that's what Charles Cross

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Speaker 1: was recruited to come do. So that means they saw

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Speaker 1: him as a good run blocker, and he was actually

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Speaker 1: praised for his abilities as a run blocker in high school.

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Speaker 1: But then whenever he starts to take off as when

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Speaker 1: Mike Leach gets here, and he's doing a lot more

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Speaker 1: in pass protection. So I think, really you have with

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Speaker 1: him a much more well rounded player than people realize

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Speaker 1: that it is not only versatile, but that could possibly

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Speaker 1: be equally as good and run blocking as he is

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Speaker 1: in pass blocking and has already had the ability to

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Speaker 1: do it. I think there's a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: kind of have created this narrative that don't really recognize

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Speaker 1: the fact that he was not recruited straight into the

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Speaker 1: air aid offense. All right, So twenty eighteen, Joe moorehead

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Speaker 1: recruits Charles Cross. In twenty nineteen, he becomes a freshman

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Speaker 1: at Mississippi State. He plays in three games and then

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Speaker 1: red shirts the rest of his true freshman year and

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Speaker 1: doesn't come back until twenty twenty when he's starting at

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Speaker 1: left tackle. Walk us through that twenty nineteen through twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: What went into the decision sort of red shirt the

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Speaker 1: rest of the year. What was he working on and

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Speaker 1: how did he sort of use that time to improve

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Speaker 1: his skill set? Yeah, I think I just had a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with basic technique. They're growing pains as

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Speaker 1: well of just being a new player at the college level.

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Speaker 1: So I think it was just perfecting those small aspects

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Speaker 1: of his game, and like I mentioned earlier, that was

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Speaker 1: something that really showed up and just the preparation he

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Speaker 1: put in really blossomed this past season, which is why

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Speaker 1: he's experienced such a huge rise and why it's kind

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Speaker 1: of hard to view anyone as better at this position

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Speaker 1: than he is at this point. And I also noticed

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Speaker 1: that Joe moorehead he was recruited, saw this player coming

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Speaker 1: out as someone who would eventually develop into a first rounder.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's stayed on that path pretty steadily.

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Speaker 1: All Right. You mentioned pro Day and Charles Cross showing

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Speaker 1: some versatility there. I've seen him get compared a lot

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Speaker 1: to Laramie Tunsel, who's left tackle here for the Texans.

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Speaker 1: Laramie started off his career at left guard, and Charles

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Speaker 1: Cross he said he played a little bit of right tackle.

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Speaker 1: He's obviously played his entire career at left tackle. But

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Speaker 1: what can you tell us about his versatility should teams

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Speaker 1: want to use him somewhere else on the offensive line? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think at Pro Day that he showed that he

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Speaker 1: could play on either side of the line, which is

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Speaker 1: something that's really important and something that we've seen in

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Speaker 1: the NFL that would kind of give him an extra

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Speaker 1: edge because you'll see other players get drafted in and

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Speaker 1: they'll realize that someone else does better on this other

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Speaker 1: side of the line or something like that, or something

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Speaker 1: will change and it's better to move his player here.

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Speaker 1: So I think the fact that he's able to play

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Speaker 1: in multiple spots, which I think is something that will

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Speaker 1: become even more apparent as he goes on to the

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Speaker 1: NFL level, is something that's going to make him even

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Speaker 1: more of an asset for a team. But I think

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Speaker 1: just between everything that he brings to the table and

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Speaker 1: his ability to do well with the run and then

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Speaker 1: with pass blocking as well, I think is going to

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Speaker 1: make him someone you can plug in and will make

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Speaker 1: an immediate impact just from day one. All right, you

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Speaker 1: said he was pretty quiet. What is he like personality wise?

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Speaker 1: What else can you tell us about Charles Cross the person? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that just as far as interviews went, he

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Speaker 1: was a man of few words. I think that he's

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Speaker 1: someone who likes just to let the film do the

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Speaker 1: talking for itself. I think that he would rather show

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Speaker 1: people what he can do rather than boast about it,

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Speaker 1: which I always thought was interesting because he might have

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Speaker 1: been the least talkative player in media interviews out of everybody,

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Speaker 1: but was obviously the big headliner from Mississippi State that

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Speaker 1: really put Mississippi State on the map as far as

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Speaker 1: offseason pre draft goes. I've been told that around his

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Speaker 1: teammates that he's a big locker room guy, like a

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Speaker 1: poster or child for someone who you would want in

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Speaker 1: your locker room. So I think that he has a

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Speaker 1: good relationship with his teammates and that he mesh as well,

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Speaker 1: and that even if we don't see that in interviews

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Speaker 1: as far as him talking about himself, that he just

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Speaker 1: likes to go out there and show everybody what he

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Speaker 1: can do in the person that he is and let

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Speaker 1: that do the talking as opposed to talking about it all. Right, Chrissy,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell us about some of the other

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State draft prospects that we could look for maybe

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Speaker 1: Day two, day three of the draft, the other guys

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Speaker 1: that might be getting selected this year. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: Martin Emerson junior, that was a really big, big one

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Speaker 1: for our secondary over here at Mississippi State because ahead

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Speaker 1: of the season, Mississippi State was touted as having possibly

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Speaker 1: the best secondary in the nation. His interception total is low,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's really reflective of the

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Speaker 1: talent that he has. I think that he's someone who

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Speaker 1: could be picked up potentially on Day two as someone

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Speaker 1: who did a lot for this defense. And then I

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Speaker 1: also think that McKay polk is probably one of the

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Speaker 1: most underrated wide receivers in this draft because right now

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Speaker 1: he's either supposed to be a Day three pick or

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Speaker 1: he's more likely not going to get drafted at all.

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Speaker 1: But I thought that his the consistency that he showed here,

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Speaker 1: the route running ability that he showed here was really good.

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Speaker 1: And I think that just it's a matter of that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people weren't really watching him. They had

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Speaker 1: their eyes on some of the other wide receivers. So

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Speaker 1: I think between that the speed that he brings to

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Speaker 1: the table, that he's someone who could potentially go in

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Speaker 1: and kind of surprise people, because I think he finished

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Speaker 1: out the season with I believe it was the second

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Speaker 1: highest total of receptions in the nation. I think it

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Speaker 1: was tied and then the most in the SEC. So

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Speaker 1: he was someone who was just play in and play out,

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Speaker 1: was going to be reliable. And then I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've heard of just the concept of running hot

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Speaker 1: and running cool with wide receivers, but to run cool

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Speaker 1: means someone who can play the next play as someone

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Speaker 1: who's not going to let the play before it kind

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Speaker 1: of affect the way they run or the way they

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Speaker 1: play the next play. And he was. He got a

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Speaker 1: lot of praise from our coaches for the way that

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Speaker 1: he was able to do that. All right, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to seeing were some of these prospects Land.

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Speaker 1: It's Chrisy Freud. She's a lead editor and writer for

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Speaker 1: SI's Cowbell Corner. She covers all things Mississippi State sports. Chrissy,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time. Yeah, for sure, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Big thanks to Chrissy Freud and to

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Speaker 1: dep City as always. All right, I was at You

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Speaker 1: of h Pro Day today and went in there thinking

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Speaker 1: I would write up a little bit on Marcus Jones

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Speaker 1: Logan Hall. But in the end I walked out of

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Speaker 1: there with a minor football crush on a center. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'll explain next right here in Texans All Access more

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio is on the way. On the way Texans Radio.

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Speaker 1: The drive continues. We got one final segment of this

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Speaker 1: Friday edition of Texans All Acts as from the day

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio. I am John Harris, your host. Glad

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Speaker 1: you're with me as we kick it around for this

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Speaker 1: final segment. And I was kicking it around over at

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Speaker 1: University of Houston Pro Day, and if you follow our

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Speaker 1: buddy Wilson, he posted the final scout list. I made

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Speaker 1: the scout list. I made it. I made it. You

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Speaker 1: read the scout list and it's Nick Cassio. John Harris,

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Speaker 1: I'm like running under nack. How about that? Now it's

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Speaker 1: out about a quarter. I even told I even told

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Speaker 1: her girl over there, I'm not a scout and she

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Speaker 1: just wrote my name down and let me go. And

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Speaker 1: I was like okay, and I kind of moved around

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Speaker 1: like I was one. So I don't know, but it

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Speaker 1: was cool to be out there at University of Houston

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Speaker 1: Pro Day. The two players that if you follow the

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Speaker 1: drafts fairly closely at the University of Houston, you know,

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Speaker 1: Logan Hall, defensive lineman and Marcus Jones, the corner return specialist,

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Speaker 1: just an all round tremendous, tremendous football player. Both of

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Speaker 1: them are actually had Logan Dill. I think he did

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Speaker 1: everything to combine. He did a couple of things today

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Speaker 1: at pro day and he needed his position drills and

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Speaker 1: he is just, my goodness, just a freak of nature.

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Speaker 1: I mean, standing next to him, he was actually talking

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Speaker 1: to Peyton Turner. Payton Turner was back the first rounder

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Speaker 1: selected last year from New Orleans Saints, and Turners like

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Speaker 1: a shade bigger. By looking at bout them, it's like, man,

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00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: they're like power forwards in basketball. I mean, just ginormous dudes.

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Speaker 1: And you know, could Logan Hall being played for the Texans,

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Speaker 1: I would think so, maybe thirty seven. I think I've

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Speaker 1: got Logan in the fifties in the Harris one hundred.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find this as as I'm talking, so

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Speaker 1: that doesn't always me and I'm gonna find it like

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Speaker 1: I should, but I believe I've got him. I got

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Speaker 1: Marcus at ninety three and I've got Logan Hall at

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Speaker 1: forty seven, So thirty seven is absolutely in play for

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Speaker 1: Logan Hall as a Texan, Marcus Jones and play. They

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Speaker 1: both didn't plays Texas well. Logan Hall did a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Jones has not worked out, didn't work out, the

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Speaker 1: combine didn't work out today. He had shoulders surgeries plural

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Speaker 1: on both shoulders, so he has not been able to

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Speaker 1: do anything. He's got a medical recheck coming in April,

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Speaker 1: April thirteenth, I think it is now. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's gonna have a workout at that point. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what he'll be able to do, but that

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Speaker 1: apparently is the news that he's gonna have a medical

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Speaker 1: recheck on April thirteenth. Whether it has one, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But Marcus Jones a will of football player,

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Speaker 1: but he was there supporting his guys today, so I

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Speaker 1: didn't know whether Marcus is gonna work out. I found

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Speaker 1: an information when I got there, But Houston's always got

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00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: some players like, oh yeah, man Deante Anderson. Now I'm

751
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna like watching this guy. I called his last high

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00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: school game at Manville against Katie in the playoffs. Have

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Speaker 1: kind of followed him from Afar. He's kind of a

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Speaker 1: linebacker safety hybrid. I thought he had a pretty good

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Speaker 1: testing day. Ran kind of in a high four six range.

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Speaker 1: Look pretty good in his testing again, thirty seven in

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Speaker 1: vertical him. He's a five star coming on Manville. So

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Speaker 1: good athlete. David Anna and I hopefully I said that right.

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Speaker 1: David put on a show, my goodness, David Anna, and

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Speaker 1: I was just ridiculously good. His numbers thirty seven and

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Speaker 1: a half vert a two hundred and fifty something pounds

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Speaker 1: I think, and had a ten three broad up, ran

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Speaker 1: in the four high four or five low four six range,

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Speaker 1: and just as a specimen, I mean arms that go

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Speaker 1: for days, thick, physical, I mean just everything you want

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Speaker 1: an athlete to look like. And Aaron Wilson had actually

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Speaker 1: asked me, where do you think he goes? I think

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Speaker 1: he's day three and I was like four or five,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of I said five, fifth round because

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Speaker 1: I felt like there's gonna be some question about where

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Speaker 1: he actually plays. So maybe you know, in a four

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Speaker 1: to three, could he play defensive end that would be

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Speaker 1: It would be tough, but I think he could do it.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's bigger than Jacob Martin was last year,

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Speaker 1: so there's a possibility. I think that dude can play.

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Speaker 1: He had a really good twenty twenty one and the

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Speaker 1: athletic says him backed it up today at Pro Day. David,

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Speaker 1: Anna and I getting actually a lot of discussions during

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Speaker 1: Pro Day. That's one of the things I like to

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Speaker 1: watch there in Pro Day. Who's talking to these players

781
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean everything, but if you look at that guy

782
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Speaker 1: having a long conversation in maybe that means something, especially

783
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: if it's a coach or a coordinator, that catches your eye.

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Speaker 1: So it was a good day. So they the first

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00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: draw they did was the vertical leap vertical jump, and

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Speaker 1: they did it alphabetically. So they're going through and mobile

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Speaker 1: car and David and I and Deantha Anderson will have

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Speaker 1: all gone and then getting to the end of the

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Speaker 1: alphabet and they call up Cody Russy and this big, thick,

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00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: strong looking dude steps up. And if you've ever been

791
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: to Proday or watching the combine these guys take forever

792
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: to do things, like if they're doing a vertical leap.

793
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: They get their feet set and they rock their arms

794
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and they fake like they're gonna jump. They get ready.

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Speaker 1: Cody walks under there, gets his feet, looks up, it

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Speaker 1: jumps and I'm like, I like this guy that is

797
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Speaker 1: he jumps. I'm like, oh my god. He comes down

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's pretty good. He goes again. He

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Speaker 1: hits another couple of wrongs and the scout goes Cody

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Speaker 1: Russey thirty inches, Like that's a really good vert We

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00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: go inside to do the bench and he gets under

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Speaker 1: the bench again, going alphabetically so he's at the end

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Speaker 1: and he gets under the bench and I watched him

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Speaker 1: do the first rep and I'm like, oh boy, this

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Speaker 1: is about to get fun. Thirty eight reps of two

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Speaker 1: twenty five went outside, ran the forty five one five

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Speaker 1: in the forty and I'm like, dang it, why am

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00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: I just now hearing about Cody Russey, Like what's why?

809
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: I find out he's a transfer from Louisiana Tech, so

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Speaker 1: he only played one year at the University of Houston.

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Speaker 1: As I got home, I quick found some film of

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Speaker 1: him I'm watching him like getting even more mad at myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why didn't I Why did I see this

814
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: guy before? Strong as an Ox. There's some things he's

815
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: got to clean up in his game, there's no doubt,

816
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: but the athleticism and a toughness. He knocked James Lip

817
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: for Oh my gosh. I felt so bad for Lip.

818
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: He was holding the bags for him as they did

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Speaker 1: some different drills and Lip was just taken to the

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Speaker 1: Cody Russey experience. But Cody Russey Center, University Houston. He's

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Speaker 1: a Day three guy. I hope he gets drafted and

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Speaker 1: I hope he ends up in Houston. I would love

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Speaker 1: to see what the Texans were able to do with

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Speaker 1: a just strong as an Ox player like Russy with

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Speaker 1: some athletic ability. Man, it was fun to see a

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Speaker 1: guy like that. I felt like with a center today

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Speaker 1: at Houston prote how about that? Big thanks to Mark,

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Speaker 1: to Deep Chrissy Freud, but man, Robert Harris, to all

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Speaker 1: you for listen, We'll see you next time, and as always,

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Speaker 1: go Texans. This is Texans Radio on Sports Radio six

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Speaker 1: ten