Speaker 1: Check it down man, Thursday morning, August twenty second. It
Speaker 1: is the Beating the Book podcast. US Open Tennis preview
Speaker 1: betting preview skill Alexander pumped because the draw just happened.
Speaker 1: I have not even seen it, but my two guests have.
Speaker 1: Drew Dinsick of course at Whale Underscore Capper, co host
Speaker 1: of not only the Deep Dive podcast, which he does
Speaker 1: with Andy moletor That's the Deep Dive Podcast with Andy Montor,
Speaker 1: but also NBC Sports bet the edge was happening, Drew,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this well yet again.
Speaker 2: My friend it is. It is a great tradition. I
Speaker 2: appreciate being invited back. And there's a lot going on
Speaker 2: in the world of tennis right now. And if you're
Speaker 2: asking yourself, how can you care about tennis when the
Speaker 2: season's winding down and football is about to start, well,
Speaker 2: guess what. Preseason's over. We have like eighteen days to
Speaker 2: sit around and tool of our thumbs before we actually
Speaker 2: have real NFL games that matter.
Speaker 3: So there is no if you.
Speaker 2: Don't already have a a tennis hard oh you know,
Speaker 2: placed in your heart. Now is a perfect time to
Speaker 2: get one, because this US Open is going to be amazing,
Speaker 2: and yes it is.
Speaker 3: Again, like.
Speaker 2: A lot of fans of this podcast have reached out,
Speaker 2: you're going to be at the Open this year, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm very, very sad about it. I went last year.
Speaker 2: It was an incredible experience. I would recommend anyone who
Speaker 2: cares about tennis to get there at some point just
Speaker 2: for the experience. And yeah, I'm excited for this year's
Speaker 2: Open because it's going to be full of drama.
Speaker 1: Full of drama. And you have said it brilliantly in
Speaker 1: the past, which is Tennis has the decency to schedule
Speaker 1: the Slams perfectly around the NFL season, right like NFL
Speaker 1: playoffs are happening. Okay, we'll play the Australian Open. NFL
Speaker 1: seasons about to start. Okay, let's let's end the US
Speaker 1: Open on the first Sunday. So it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: I got to tell my US Open story real briefly
Speaker 1: if I happened before. But first I want to introduce
Speaker 1: our other guests. Zach Cohen, making his second peer's on
Speaker 1: the podcast. He was here for Wimbledon. Wimbledon was pre draw,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of kind of tough for us.
Speaker 1: And it's grass to begin with. But here we are
Speaker 1: a US Open. The draw has happened. Zach Cohen at
Speaker 1: betting on X on Twitter, and he is the glue
Speaker 1: that holds VS in together. How you doing, Zach doing well?
Speaker 4: Echo the set of it of the scheduling being perfect.
Speaker 4: I just feel like, you know that the hardcourt season
Speaker 4: for tennis is just at the perfect time where you
Speaker 4: know we're slow for football. You just got to kind
Speaker 4: of dive in two hours and hours of tennis. And
Speaker 4: it was a really exciting build up to the US Open.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a build up to WrestleMania if you're
Speaker 4: a wrestling fan out there. And we had we had
Speaker 4: the Yanick Sinner drama too to cap it all off.
Speaker 4: So yeah, just a really fun time to be in
Speaker 4: on tennis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you a US Open story real quick,
Speaker 1: which may not be interesting to anybody, but I just this,
Speaker 1: this tripped me out when it happened. I have been
Speaker 1: to the US Open one day in my life. It
Speaker 1: is a bucket list item. I've always wanted to go
Speaker 1: to the US Open, especially at night in the night session,
Speaker 1: because it gets raucous there. So I can't remember what
Speaker 1: year this was, but it was about eight nine years
Speaker 1: go thereabouts. I saw Sloan Stevens play Anna Ivanovitch for instance.
Speaker 1: That gives you an idea about what years we're talking
Speaker 1: about young Sloane Stevens. And then we went to another
Speaker 1: court and we watched Gial Simone play Marty Fish, which
Speaker 1: which which people are going to be like, what the
Speaker 1: hell Jill Simone versus Marty Fish and I had the
Speaker 1: same reaction. It went late in the night. It was
Speaker 1: a great match. Whatever. But then last year have you
Speaker 1: seen this Marty Fish documentary? Have you guys seen this
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: This is the one where he basically is talking about
Speaker 2: his struggles of yes, he fell into a tough time
Speaker 2: and then he worked his way out. He was Andy
Speaker 2: Rocks like basically hitting partner was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: I'm good enough to play exactly.
Speaker 3: That is a good watch.
Speaker 1: So that's the documentary. It's basically about Marty Fish losing
Speaker 1: his like mental health crisis on the tennis court. That
Speaker 1: was the night I was there. That was the match.
Speaker 1: So it's like he's like, this is the match and
Speaker 1: I saw currently the match that I was there present
Speaker 1: for watching. I had no idea that marty Fish inside
Speaker 1: his cranium was having a mental breakdown, the likes of
Speaker 1: which defined his entire career. I love that freaking out
Speaker 1: yeah twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven and the cooler coolest parts about that if
Speaker 2: you haven't already watched it is like him in the
Speaker 2: car all right, like you get all of the extra yes,
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't just like talk about what happened. They
Speaker 2: have like footage of like like literally just like I
Speaker 2: can't do this, I can't play like that's that was crazy.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're there.
Speaker 1: I'm literally watching the documentary looking up in the stands
Speaker 1: to see if I could see myself out there. I
Speaker 1: was sitting right about there anyway, Okay, said you brought
Speaker 1: up Yonic Center. Let's just start there. So Yanick Center.
Speaker 1: For those who missed it this week, this came out
Speaker 1: of the blue. Drew was actually on air with me
Speaker 1: on a numbers game Tuesday morning, as he always is,
Speaker 1: and this happened apparently because he told me about it
Speaker 1: right before he came on, which is, oh, look at this. Uh.
Speaker 1: Yanick Onyx Center apparently tested positive for a very small
Speaker 1: amount of a banned substance, but it was quickly ruled
Speaker 1: that it was inadvertent applied by a masseuse, and so
Speaker 1: he was not suspended. He was fined and docked the
Speaker 1: points from from Indian Wells that he had garnered. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: other than that, though there was no suspension, it was
Speaker 1: swept under the carpet, and here we are all these
Speaker 1: months later. It's like the ATP was quick to be like,
Speaker 1: there's no problem. We really we really appreciate the quick
Speaker 1: ruling on that. It was a wonderful thing and it
Speaker 1: was found to have no no, no fault of his
Speaker 1: Let's just start there a just for your personally, like
Speaker 1: do you think it's bullshit? And then two, do you
Speaker 1: think after all this time, because Yanick Center has been
Speaker 1: playing with this quote unquote hanging over his head, but
Speaker 1: he knew that the public didn't know about it, do
Speaker 1: you think this will have any effect on his game
Speaker 1: in the US Open.
Speaker 3: That's a fair question.
Speaker 2: I'll jump in first, and I'm going to do my
Speaker 2: best not to get you sued.
Speaker 3: Gil.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you think that your favorite tennis player, man
Speaker 2: or woman in history is not using some sort of
Speaker 2: performance enhancement to be able to withstand the physical just
Speaker 2: absolute war on the body that the atp or air
Speaker 2: w t A tour is then you're living under a rock.
Speaker 2: And so like hearing that, you know, hearing that, oh,
Speaker 2: somebody at the top of the sport got popped, like
Speaker 2: it should never really surprise you unless you are you
Speaker 2: know again like blissfully ignorant.
Speaker 3: But that's fine. And I and.
Speaker 2: To me at least, the you know, the more powerful
Speaker 2: you are, the more money you have, you have a
Speaker 2: team of chemists who are keeping you know, towing the
Speaker 2: line of you know, whatever it is, you know, whatever
Speaker 2: is allowed.
Speaker 3: I mean like this isn't I'm not this is you
Speaker 3: know this, this is how it works at the highest level.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's so much money at stake and
Speaker 2: there's you know there there is so much you know,
Speaker 2: legacy at stake that yeah, you toe the line.
Speaker 3: You are very careful generally.
Speaker 2: And the fact that this weird kind of random tiny
Speaker 2: amount slipped through the cracks through some bizarre like they
Speaker 2: like the explanation was so bizarre, it's almost you have
Speaker 2: to believe it. But and but that said, like it
Speaker 2: it's kind of strangely giving tennis cover for what is
Speaker 2: probably a bigger issue that ought to be explored, which
Speaker 2: is like the therapeutic use you use exemptions for, like
Speaker 2: the asthma medications that they're taking, the testosterone creams that
Speaker 2: they use that don't flag and like, you know, so
Speaker 2: I think ultimately like it was probably harmless. The only
Speaker 2: kind of uh maybe it wasn't harmless in the back
Speaker 2: of my head was that, oh, I don't know, YadA
Speaker 2: Center missed the Olympics because of tonselitis what oh and
Speaker 2: and this was going on at the same time, like
Speaker 2: huh yeah, Olympic Olympic testing program a little different.
Speaker 3: Uh. And you know it may have it may have been.
Speaker 2: You know, somewhat team decision oriented that he you know
Speaker 2: that he uh uh you know, stay out of that.
Speaker 2: But but again, like you know, I want the best
Speaker 2: tennis players healthy, playing the best tennis the most of
Speaker 2: the year, so I don't really care what they're doing
Speaker 2: to get themselves onto the court, uh and being in
Speaker 2: top shape. And again, like if you think that some
Speaker 2: of the all time greats, the guys we would consider
Speaker 2: the greatest guys in gals that we would consider the
Speaker 2: greatest in sport, haven't you know towed the line?
Speaker 3: Uh? Then I got I got, I got a lovely
Speaker 3: piece of land in California City to sell you.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna get suit for that at all. Drew,
Speaker 1: thank you for couching it the way that the couch
Speaker 1: By the way, I agree with everything you've said, but
Speaker 1: it still comes down to the question of there there
Speaker 1: is a mental aspect to this, right because I even
Speaker 1: with all that said, sure does yonick center then now
Speaker 1: that it's out there, is he the type of guy?
Speaker 1: There's no way to know for sure, but is do
Speaker 1: you have to as a handicapper just kind of keep
Speaker 1: it in the back of your mind if you see
Speaker 1: him sort of not play well. Let's say, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go hypothetical. If he's not playing well in the
Speaker 1: first couple of rounds, will it creep into your head? Oh,
Speaker 1: he's probably just like not mentally all there right now
Speaker 1: because of this.
Speaker 4: Or so I gotta say, like the worst part about
Speaker 4: it is like because I don't want to believe that
Speaker 4: he is using it. I mean, I agree, like these
Speaker 4: guys are probably all using something, but you know, the
Speaker 4: timing of it. His body started to break down afterwards,
Speaker 4: and you know, after he had gotten you know, three
Speaker 4: or four months being completely healthy, and he's a guy
Speaker 4: that has historically battled injuries throughout his career. Now all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, he fails these two tests.
Speaker 4: Now he's you know, starting to have the hip flare
Speaker 4: up again. His stamina is an issue on the court,
Speaker 4: so you know, that kind of is an argument for
Speaker 4: that he was using something, and you know, you know
Speaker 4: that's kind of what I'm concerned about going into the
Speaker 4: US Open is kind of his body, you know, handle
Speaker 4: best of five tennis again, especially in human conditions. We
Speaker 4: just saw a tournament that he won in Cincinnati, but
Speaker 4: you know, there were matches that he looked really banged up.
Speaker 4: There were people that didn't think he was going to
Speaker 4: play the final of that tournament. He was able to
Speaker 4: make it his way through it, but yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 4: nervous about the physical aspect of it. Also strikes me
Speaker 4: as a type of kid that like will feel guilty
Speaker 4: about what happened.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not not the type of guy that, like Djokovic,
Speaker 2: is going to embrace the villain status.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I mean, Right, Djokovic wouldn't care I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even ask the question, was Djokovic but center, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. It's just in the back
Speaker 1: of my mind.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's it's honestly, the mental part of
Speaker 2: it is enough for me to be a little cool
Speaker 2: independent of what, you know, whatever advantage I see on
Speaker 2: price for him, and you know it, Uh yeah, I
Speaker 2: you know, he's he ended up with you know, we
Speaker 2: can pivot right to the draw.
Speaker 3: He ended up with the draw where you know he's
Speaker 3: going to have to again.
Speaker 2: You brought up the Anna Ivanovich Slan Stevens match, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I imagine that was tilted. I imagine the crowd was
Speaker 2: pretty pro Sloan Stevens, a pretty anti Anavanovich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you look at Sinner's draw. He's gonna He's
Speaker 3: got a.
Speaker 2: Couple of matches where he is not going to be
Speaker 2: the crowd favorite. You add a little bit of you know,
Speaker 2: a little bit of motivation for uh, you know, the
Speaker 2: New Yorkers to kind of get up his ass, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like yeah, maybe he is not
Speaker 2: like especially performing well mentally and and and isn't enjoying
Speaker 2: this experience and is ready to go home. Like that
Speaker 2: wouldn't shock me. But that said, you know, the quality
Speaker 2: of tennis you're seeing from him right.
Speaker 3: Now is pretty unreal. So uh, he's a he's a
Speaker 3: tough bet against.
Speaker 1: All right, So talk to me about the draw. Both
Speaker 1: of you have seen it. I have not. I was
Speaker 1: doing a show. So let's break it. Let's break down
Speaker 1: the men's sort of quarter by quarter if you could,
Speaker 1: the headlines drew as you see it.
Speaker 3: Sure, so, uh the sinner's quarters is he Center.
Speaker 2: Is your first your first seed, So he's in Q one,
Speaker 2: top of the draw, and his draw is is bad.
Speaker 3: It's tough in particular.
Speaker 2: I look at quarterfinals, semi finals, and he's you know,
Speaker 2: if he gets to that point in the tournament, he
Speaker 2: is drawn Daniel Medvedev in the quarterfinal, who plays his
Speaker 2: best tennis at this particular venue, and he is drawing
Speaker 2: Carlos al Kraz in the semi finals, who's of course
Speaker 2: a poor previous champion here and has clearly shaken some
Speaker 2: of the injury concerns that existed for him in the fall,
Speaker 2: I mean in spring, and maybe a little bit even
Speaker 2: a little bit fresher than Center at this point, and
Speaker 2: has also embraced the best of five tennis to the
Speaker 2: degree that I think should scare everyone on tour. So
Speaker 2: you know, Centner's quarterfinal matchup, semifinal matchup are gnarly, and
Speaker 2: then at that point you're presumably playing Djokovic in the
Speaker 2: final because you have an imbalanced draw between top and bottom.
Speaker 2: You know, Djokovic and saverev are on the bottom center
Speaker 2: and al Kraz are on the top, And I think
Speaker 2: two of those three are not you know, two of
Speaker 2: the three of those four not like the others in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, championship equity here, and they happen
Speaker 2: to be on the top. So Sinner, if you like
Speaker 2: him at this particular venue and you think he's winning
Speaker 2: his second second hard court slamb of the season, I
Speaker 2: would almost say your best bet is to just bet
Speaker 2: and match by match, because he's going to be a
Speaker 2: dog against Outcrass, he could be a dog against Djokovic,
Speaker 2: and he's going to be a short favorite against Medvedev,
Speaker 2: I would think, So you can probably exercise a little
Speaker 2: bit better value betting center match by match if you like.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think it's pretty clear that Q
Speaker 2: two is wide open for al Kraz, and I think
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear that the bottom half is wide open
Speaker 2: for Djokovic.
Speaker 1: Djokovic is Q four's verevus Q three.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So Djokovic going, of course for his uh for his
Speaker 1: twenty fifth Grand Slam Singles title. After he gets the
Speaker 1: goal at the Olympics, that was like the big crowning
Speaker 1: sort of victory that he had not had through his
Speaker 1: other otherwise illustrious career. He gets that in the it
Speaker 1: was just the most awesome, awesome final against Carlos Alkarez.
Speaker 1: But to get a twenty fifth, that perfect number twenty five,
Speaker 1: that would also get him above Margaret Court, just for
Speaker 1: like historical context, since that would almost be, like you
Speaker 1: talk about it, if there's anything else left. The Olympics
Speaker 1: was the big thing left, but that would be the
Speaker 1: other thing. And so Djokovic gets the favorable draw. Is
Speaker 1: that generally how you see it?
Speaker 4: Zach as well, I think that Djokovic early on has
Speaker 4: some tests. I do think that his quarter, you know,
Speaker 4: later on, you know, third, fourth rounds, is definitely easier
Speaker 4: than the other guys. But you know, he's gonna potentially
Speaker 4: get like John Leonard strufe Alexi Popper in the first
Speaker 4: two matches and then a third round match I believe
Speaker 4: against either Ben Shelton or Francis Tiafo. So you know,
Speaker 4: if he doesn't come into this tournament ready to go,
Speaker 4: like he is going to get tested pretty much, you know,
Speaker 4: right out the gates, just playing a bunch of big servers.
Speaker 4: But generally speaking, I do think he has the easiest
Speaker 4: draw of the other guys. So yeah, it's it's looking
Speaker 4: like twenty five is definitely possible, just especially because he's
Speaker 4: only going to have to beat you know, Alcoraz or Center,
Speaker 4: not both of them.
Speaker 1: Uh DraftKings. I just though it was the first book
Speaker 1: I pulled up does not have men's futures up but
Speaker 1: right now after the draw, but Fandle does Alcoraz plus
Speaker 1: one seventy five, Djokovic plus two thirty, Center plus three
Speaker 1: twenty zero ten to one, and Medvedev, uh sixteen to one.
Speaker 1: Of the five guys we mentioned at the top. If
Speaker 1: I came to you from the future and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: guess what none of those five guys won, this is
Speaker 1: almost an impossible question to ask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess the two kind of the
Speaker 2: two narratives that I think are worth pointing out. I
Speaker 2: think well, the one you were kind of teasing, which
Speaker 2: is this is Djokovic's chase for twenty five, like take
Speaker 2: cards on the table, this is his worst slam. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even really know how you you need you
Speaker 2: need to say any more than that, Like he struggles
Speaker 2: in the heat, he struggles at this venue. But a
Speaker 2: lot of the time that's because this is coming in
Speaker 2: the part of the calendar where he's played a sugar
Speaker 2: loaded tennis and this wasn't really born out that way.
Speaker 2: So you know, he's he's a little bit more well
Speaker 2: rested than he is in a normal year, I think,
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of changes the calculus a bit
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 1: Interrupted with the slams this year, lost a cinner in
Speaker 1: the Semis I believe at the Australia don't pulled out of.
Speaker 3: The fringe after round four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then lost the Wimbledon final too well right.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, sorry, But the intermedia tournaments he was he
Speaker 2: was a no show for a lot of those. So
Speaker 2: it's just his time on court is low and and
Speaker 2: I think the idea there has been a lot of
Speaker 2: swirling circulating, and I don't know how much of this
Speaker 2: is fanboy stuff. For how much of this is coming
Speaker 2: from his camp, But there's been a lot of circulating
Speaker 2: like he's going to get number twenty five and then
Speaker 2: right off into the sunset kind of stuff like that.
Speaker 3: That's not out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: Considering he seems to have, you be pretty satisfied to
Speaker 2: himself winning gold medal in France. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, if that ultimately becomes the chase here, then
Speaker 2: you got to pay attention to that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: because again, like I didn't think he could elevate his
Speaker 2: game to the level he did at the in the
Speaker 2: Olympic final. We hadn't seen tennis like that from him
Speaker 2: in a really long time, and it was unbelievably impressive stuff.
Speaker 2: And if he decides I'm going to dig down and
Speaker 2: I'm going to find that for a couple of matches
Speaker 2: that I need to in this tournament to get this title,
Speaker 2: and then I can call it a career because I'll
Speaker 2: be satisfied.
Speaker 3: Then I don't think any of this should be surprised.
Speaker 2: The other narrative is I think that the gap between
Speaker 2: the top of the men's tour and the bulk of
Speaker 2: the men's tour continues to get bigger. There was moments
Speaker 2: in time where the guys at the top were dealing
Speaker 2: with injuries, questions were swirling, all kinds of stuff, and
Speaker 2: you could make the case that this thing is wide open.
Speaker 2: That was making that case for the front open. I
Speaker 2: think that the gap has kind of reastateablished a bit.
Speaker 2: And I you know, if if there is a shock
Speaker 2: surprise winner here, it's going to be a US player
Speaker 2: who just captures the momentum of the crowd. I'll uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Francis Tiafo type of thing.
Speaker 3: I would guess, slash Shelton, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tiafo, slash Shelton, slash Tommy Paul, Like those are
Speaker 2: the kind of those guys are playing well enough and
Speaker 2: couldn't you know, kind of get the get the crowd
Speaker 2: behind them to the tune of being a problem here,
Speaker 2: I would suppose.
Speaker 3: But again, like the for any of that to happen,
Speaker 3: they're going to need some help.
Speaker 2: Like I don't think a player like Tiafo is ousting
Speaker 2: Djokovic and then getting uh and then getting Zevera a
Speaker 2: couple of rounds later, and then beating Center or Altcraz
Speaker 2: in the final, right, like they're gonna need a fortunate
Speaker 2: break and that's a little tough to predict.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said it about Tiafo some time ago. Be
Speaker 1: the home road splits on Tiafo, United States and otherwise
Speaker 1: this is such an interesting thing, Okay, So I don't
Speaker 1: know some exact same question. If it's not one of
Speaker 1: those top five guys, who would it be.
Speaker 4: I mean, my answer for a guy that I think
Speaker 4: can make a really deep run, I don't know if
Speaker 4: he'd be able to win it, just because physically I'm
Speaker 4: not sure where he is. I think Matteo Barrettini has
Speaker 4: a shot really deep. Yeah, at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: I am really high on Zverev in this tournament. They're
Speaker 4: in the same quarter, so you know it can't be
Speaker 4: both of them. But Barattini is just playing tennis similar
Speaker 4: to the level that made him number six in the
Speaker 4: world a few years ago. He had a really bad
Speaker 4: performance two weeks ago, which kind of, you know, took
Speaker 4: a little bit of wind out of those sales. But
Speaker 4: you know, still a guy that's you know, holds it
Speaker 4: about ninety percent, has one of the biggest fourhands on tour,
Speaker 4: is in a really good season so far. Really, you know,
Speaker 4: winning tournaments on clay, which which I think. You know,
Speaker 4: I still think hardcore is best surface if or grass.
Speaker 4: I still think he's a fast court player. So I
Speaker 4: think that we're going to see Barretini back in the
Speaker 4: top ten pretty soon. I just wouldn't be surprised if,
Speaker 4: you know, he kind of makes a statement run at
Speaker 4: this event, just because health is kind of of the
Speaker 4: only thing keeping him back from being a top player
Speaker 4: in the sport. I don't think there's that big of
Speaker 4: a gap between him and the top guys when he
Speaker 4: is healthy.
Speaker 1: That's a good answer, because he's serve bodish, if not
Speaker 1: considered a serve bot. But yet if you if you
Speaker 1: go on a run with your serve and get free points,
Speaker 1: is your guy a Mapetchi paracard playing dreue. Is he
Speaker 1: in this at all?
Speaker 2: I haven't have it searched, but his his serve numbers
Speaker 2: are hilariously insane. He is the most he is the
Speaker 2: most diabolical serve on tur diabolical serve on tour right
Speaker 2: now by margin. You know who kind of got a
Speaker 2: very very very favorable draw h Taylor Fritz. He is
Speaker 2: in the top half of Q three the top seeded player.
Speaker 2: There is Casper Rude, who presumably is good to play
Speaker 2: and show up everybody else kind of in his little
Speaker 2: sub section. There is you know, not you mentioned, but
Speaker 2: Baratini Bartini. Fritz is going to be a fun, uh
Speaker 2: kind of round three match. But I would imagine Fritz
Speaker 2: has the crowd there and then if you know, there's
Speaker 2: a path where he can kind of come through and
Speaker 2: only have to play a couple of the big boys,
Speaker 2: which is sort of where he wilts when he does
Speaker 2: have a little momentum going and you know, I know
Speaker 2: he or whatever it's worth. He has stunk on the
Speaker 2: hard court swing to this point in the calendar, but
Speaker 2: I thought he played very well on the clay swing
Speaker 2: in Europe this year for reasons unknown, and this is
Speaker 2: playing relatively slow at least through qualifying here, So he's
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of kind of improvement on
Speaker 2: his all court game could be enough to make a
Speaker 2: little noise here. So he's been totally forgotten about because
Speaker 2: he was just not very good in candidate Cincinnati, and
Speaker 2: I think he's still a top ten player at least
Speaker 2: by my numbers.
Speaker 1: Talking about home road splits. He's the literal home run,
Speaker 1: right if it playing in southern California, he's a different player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's a good point. That's a very good point,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: So we're way too close to the draw being released
Speaker 1: to have quarter numbers out anywhere. But just a glance,
Speaker 1: I don't see any because it's way too close, and
Speaker 1: these take a little bit nice of the US Open
Speaker 1: to have the draw out though, with some days before
Speaker 1: the actual tournament begins. Is there anything that catches your
Speaker 1: eye at any quarter that you can assume you'll probably
Speaker 1: get a pretty juicy price on. Let's do it hypothetically.
Speaker 2: Well, Q three is where you want to attack on
Speaker 2: the men's side, And I don't know what kind of
Speaker 2: price would you expect to zach on market for Barattini
Speaker 2: versus Fritz.
Speaker 3: If that's round two, I.
Speaker 4: Would say Fritz ends up being like minus two hundred
Speaker 4: or so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe so basically, so if you can get double
Speaker 2: the price on Barattini for Q three as you would
Speaker 2: for Fritz, then I would have to give that some
Speaker 2: serious consideration. But yeah, those are sort of the two
Speaker 2: players that stand out in terms of like can take
Speaker 2: advantage of the weakest sub section of the weakest quarter.
Speaker 3: I think you said that makes sense.
Speaker 1: You said, Rude is the number one seed in Q three.
Speaker 3: Rude is the top seed in there.
Speaker 1: Where is Zverev? Where is he?
Speaker 2: Zverev is the well so you know how I kind
Speaker 2: of break him up into heats, right, and the top
Speaker 2: half is Rude, the bottom half of Q three is
Speaker 2: Verev Okay, and Zverev's little sub section is not tough,
Speaker 2: but he's got to go through Polga, Rune, Sarundelo. He's
Speaker 2: going to have some tough middle of the tournament matches
Speaker 2: that could do a little bit of damage that makes
Speaker 2: him susceptible in that quarterfinal.
Speaker 1: I think remember it was Verev who had this tournament
Speaker 1: on his racket the year that Djokovic. Depending on what
Speaker 1: verb you want to use, Some would say, you know,
Speaker 1: gently hit a lines person with Others would say bean
Speaker 1: to the living crap out of a lines person with.
Speaker 2: So he had he had this tournament on his racket twice,
Speaker 2: that one and then the year that Djokovic barely outlasted
Speaker 2: him in the semi final. Yeah, I thought Spa was
Speaker 2: clearly the better player and the mental just got the
Speaker 2: better of him at the end of that one.
Speaker 1: So you're but you're not giving him serious consideration.
Speaker 3: Here at price.
Speaker 1: Not really at price. Yeah, that's a good that's that's
Speaker 1: a good call at price.
Speaker 3: Not really. Yeah, he's clearly the fourth choice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, clearly the fourth.
Speaker 4: I did grab zamarrav A twelve to one before the draw,
Speaker 4: and I do think that he's pretty live to win
Speaker 4: this tournament. I agree that there's some early matchups that
Speaker 4: are really tough, but man, I think that the way
Speaker 4: that the courts are playing, at least from what I've
Speaker 4: seen in qualifying, is going to help him out a
Speaker 4: little bit. I think that that forehand has been kind
Speaker 4: of a nightmare the last few weeks, you know, prevented
Speaker 4: him from winning some big tournaments. But it's going to
Speaker 4: sit up in that strike zone for him and make
Speaker 4: it a little easier for him to just make contact
Speaker 4: with the ball. He's hitting the ball off the frame
Speaker 4: of his racket key points now, so that that shot
Speaker 4: is definitely low in confidence. But I think that his
Speaker 4: serve and his ability to grind will will help him
Speaker 4: a little bit here.
Speaker 1: Just as you brought this up, Drew, the you're seeing
Speaker 1: a noticeable separation like we thought things might have been
Speaker 1: getting tighter now, but now a bit of a separation
Speaker 1: between say, the Alcarez center Djokovic line versus the next
Speaker 1: line down Rune, you brought up what do we feel
Speaker 1: about him? Because he was one of the names right
Speaker 1: like him, He was one of these guys. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if he's if he continues a trajectory, he will get
Speaker 1: to the top tier of tennis one day. And it
Speaker 1: hasn't really happened yet. I probably have the worst record
Speaker 1: fading that guy than anybody in the world, and all
Speaker 1: and all of the losses are near wins, right like,
Speaker 1: he just cuts it out at the end. Where is
Speaker 1: he Q one, Q two three, Q four?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: Where did he end up?
Speaker 2: Oh, he's in Q three. He's in the top half
Speaker 2: of He's in the top half of his very sub sections.
Speaker 2: So that would be a round fourmatch. And his draw Israel.
Speaker 2: He's got to go through his draws off, he's got
Speaker 2: to go through Messetian. It's basically that little sub section
Speaker 2: is going to have the best round three matches. You're
Speaker 2: gonna get Rene Mussetti, You're gonna get Cerrinda o z Vera.
Speaker 2: Both of those are gonna be must watched that'll be
Speaker 2: a ton of fun Mateshi Parakard is in there too,
Speaker 2: so yeah, there you Go is in there.
Speaker 1: So too much of a gonelet in other words, too
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Brandon Knakashima's in there. Corino Busta is back and he's
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: Who did you say? Who did you say before? Na Kashima?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Keknanovich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A little subsection where Zverev exists is full of
Speaker 2: really fun players.
Speaker 1: By the way, could you guys remind me I have
Speaker 1: two reminders that you need to give me next year.
Speaker 1: One don't play grass and then two from the Olympics
Speaker 1: on to last week. I was having such a run
Speaker 1: and then I started playing these Winston Salem and Cleveland tournaments.
Speaker 1: I can't fucking win a match. It's unbelievable. Hey, I've
Speaker 1: been up five, I had. I had a match where
Speaker 1: I was up five love in one of the sets
Speaker 1: and she lost seven to five.
Speaker 3: Gallia, bitch.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, just unbelievable, seven seven set points, four
Speaker 1: of fifteen on break points like these things happened. And
Speaker 1: then yesterday was anyway, no one was here.
Speaker 2: The only match I've ever bet at Winston Salem, by
Speaker 2: the way, was I bet against Alexander Dolgoppolov.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, is that is that
Speaker 1: the one you landed on.
Speaker 2: That's a great Back in the day when it leaked
Speaker 2: that he had like his private ere he had like
Speaker 2: a plane res to take him to New York, like
Speaker 2: the day of like he had it like that night
Speaker 2: he was leaving and you're like, oh, I guess he's
Speaker 2: not winning this match. Said he was a minus pondered favorite.
Speaker 2: He closed like plus three thirty or something. That was
Speaker 2: that was quite fun.
Speaker 1: Oh I wish I was on the tennis threadback then.
Speaker 3: Oh I have some screenshots from from our conversation. It
Speaker 3: was hilarious.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Okay, So then, so the best quarter bets
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing were that you're going to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on the Fritz Barattini thing for Q three since
Speaker 1: we don't have those out there, but that's a potential
Speaker 1: quarterback at Baratini. Was you know more than double Fritz
Speaker 1: you said there, because it'll probably Uh, I think you're right, Zach.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a round minus two hundred on
Speaker 1: Fritz in that maybe a little lower but somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: But to win it all then in the end, you
Speaker 1: do you have it out right here? Or now it's
Speaker 1: twelve to one, Drew, you have a ton to one.
Speaker 4: I don't the gunplay it.
Speaker 2: I haven't played anything yet because this looks like it's
Speaker 2: going to check out to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, and is there a first round match? Again? I
Speaker 1: haven't looked. I don't do we have first round lines up? Again?
Speaker 1: This is happening right as the draw came out. So
Speaker 1: I apologize for how quickly we did this, but this
Speaker 1: is by the way, I'm looking at some of these. Uh,
Speaker 1: let me see some of these markets here. In addition
Speaker 1: to outrights, what do they have here? They got some
Speaker 1: props populating right now. Is there a first round match
Speaker 1: that you are eyeing and you're like, oh, this could
Speaker 1: be a batable opportunity.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's a couple on the women's side that really
Speaker 2: stand out as like pretty high level, pretty sing and
Speaker 2: like I mentioned, the quarter to watch is going to
Speaker 2: be Q three. The sub section is a Verev sub section.
Speaker 2: There's some unbelievably cool fun matches in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's let's talk about go ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, yeah, say yet? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Our guy GMP against etrvery Round one is going to
Speaker 2: be a ton of fun. I would take GMP clearly
Speaker 2: as a dog, which I would expect he is in
Speaker 2: that one. I think russ Or can cover against Saverev.
Speaker 2: He has always been a tough matchup for Zverev. I
Speaker 2: think Nakashima can cover against Rene. Rene plays with his
Speaker 2: food way too much at the slam level. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think Fritz and Bertini come through cleanly
Speaker 2: in that Q three and uh, there's going to be
Speaker 2: some interesting opportunities to continue to bet that quarter in
Speaker 2: round two and round three, So I think it's important
Speaker 2: to pay attention to all those matches.
Speaker 1: Plays with his food such a great expression.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, i'd want just outside of that quarter.
Speaker 4: I think Coconakis could be since a pass. I've seen
Speaker 4: enough that. Yeah, I just think that he's a nightmare
Speaker 4: right now. Like the backhand has always been an issue.
Speaker 4: Now the forehand is missing, you know, more than we're
Speaker 4: used to it seeing. And obviously it's been so bad
Speaker 4: that he fired his dad. So I think there's a
Speaker 4: chance that we see Coconacus win that match.
Speaker 1: And he finally came out and just blasted his dad.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was fantastic.
Speaker 4: Been holding that in for years.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised. I'm surprised his dad didn't come back and say, oh,
Speaker 1: you think it's me? What about that girl right there?
Speaker 2: The other the other the other two must watch around once.
Speaker 2: Uh we got Fabio Fonini against Thomas Mahach. Those are
Speaker 2: two showmen. Yes, like that's going to be a ton
Speaker 2: of fun. Fini, of course, has a rich history of
Speaker 2: showing out at the US Open. Even if he is
Speaker 2: his best tennis is long behind him and right below them.
Speaker 2: Sebastian Corda versus Moute will be a ton of fun.
Speaker 2: That's a really even matched by my numbers, So I'll
Speaker 2: probably be on whoever the dog is in that one
Speaker 2: corn Moute.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to the women's side. This is pretty
Speaker 1: interesting because we have a women's tour where again raw
Speaker 1: data egostattech the world number one has the best hardcore numbers.
Speaker 1: But we have all the all the ladies at the
Speaker 1: top of the tour with big question marks. Maybe not
Speaker 1: Sabal Linca, maybe she's the exception, but IgA has had
Speaker 1: some uneven right she she's up for love against Jan
Speaker 1: Chin win at the Olympics. I know it's clay, but
Speaker 1: that's her surface. She gags it. Then, Uh, what's the
Speaker 1: most recent ego one? What I'm going to slipping my
Speaker 1: mind right now? Canada? Was it she and Canada? Where
Speaker 1: she where she lost? I can't remember now if that's
Speaker 1: on my head. Yeah, Sabaleka sabalancin straight sets, that's right
Speaker 1: after she she played well in the previous round against
Speaker 1: uh Andreva, but she loses in straight sets of Sabalaka.
Speaker 1: And then you have Elena RABAKKAA I don't even know
Speaker 1: if a Lena Rabakan is gonna play in this tournament
Speaker 1: at this.
Speaker 3: Point, she's seated fourth for now, seated fourth for now.
Speaker 1: And then there's Coco Golf, who drew you were all
Speaker 1: over at different times this year saying you know that you.
Speaker 1: I think at one time you'll you'll help me out
Speaker 1: with it because I think one time you were super positive,
Speaker 1: one time you're super negative. Maybe, I think. But Coco Golf,
Speaker 1: my god, her game is I think Zach, you and
Speaker 1: I were fading her in one big match where she
Speaker 1: was a huge favorite and we got we got home
Speaker 1: on that. Her forehand is just a mess. Oh it
Speaker 1: was the the putin seven match. Julia putin Seva where
Speaker 1: it's like Coco. She lost the first set and then
Speaker 1: she was she won the second, she was up a
Speaker 1: break four two in the third, and then it's like
Speaker 1: someone else inhabited her body and she could not get it.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It's nice to be on the on
Speaker 1: the right side of one of those where someone else
Speaker 1: inhabits the body. So you have a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks at the top of the tour, and so it
Speaker 1: begs the question, is this finally the slam were long shot?
Speaker 1: Play on the women's side are definitely the move.
Speaker 4: I have a semi I mean, it's not a long shot.
Speaker 4: I think that this is the tournament where you see
Speaker 4: I like Jessica Pagoula quite a bit. At twelve to one.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, maybe it's a little bit
Speaker 4: of recentcy bias having seen her, you know, in Cincinnati
Speaker 4: and Toronto, but I just thought she looks great at
Speaker 4: both those tournaments. I think she took you know, some
Speaker 4: time off early in this early in the year to
Speaker 4: work on her serve. That was a really good reset
Speaker 4: for her, you know, physically, and now that she is
Speaker 4: serving well, I just think that this is a really
Speaker 4: good tournament for her, and there's obviously pressure being an
Speaker 4: American playing at the US Open. But you know, she
Speaker 4: has really quick, you know, compact strokes on the base line.
Speaker 4: She could generate power, you know, pretty easily. And I
Speaker 4: think that she's a good defensive player. So I like
Speaker 4: her chances, you know, as much as anyone in the
Speaker 4: top tier. So I grabs her at that number. Just
Speaker 4: I don't think that the gap is that big between
Speaker 4: the you know, big four. I guess we'll call it
Speaker 4: on the women's side and.
Speaker 1: Her Kelly Kelly always says Kelly Billin, who is on
Speaker 1: a numbers game with me, always says this when I
Speaker 1: have a Pagoula match handicap. He's always like, is she
Speaker 1: gonna be okay if she loses a match? I mean,
Speaker 1: like financially.
Speaker 2: That was one of the highlights of the Olympics was
Speaker 2: Lebron James taking a photo with Emma Navarro and Jessica
Speaker 2: Goula and he was the poorest person.
Speaker 1: Poorest person, Yeah, that is great. Jesse Bula's dad where
Speaker 1: it's seven and a half billion, and I think Navarro's
Speaker 1: dad worth one and a half billions. So she's like
Speaker 1: a pauper compared to Pegoula. Oh so that's an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Butoula twelve to one. By the way, how did the
Speaker 1: women's draw shakeout? Let's start there also.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess let me go back this step. I
Speaker 2: take exception to your qualification of the way that the
Speaker 2: women's game is right now.
Speaker 3: Oh, we are the last sled. What do you missed
Speaker 3: the time?
Speaker 2: We're finally gonna get some chaos And women's Sam Wimbledon
Speaker 2: final was the most absurd, ridiculous pairing that we have
Speaker 2: seen in our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: Gil on the on the heels of the hell on
Speaker 1: the heels of the previous year where Marquete Vandersova won it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you thought you thoughta come down to
Speaker 2: know where it was weird?
Speaker 3: I could do you one better.
Speaker 4: How about Chika a versus Falidi?
Speaker 2: That was, like, I like, by my numbers, that happening
Speaker 2: was something like one in twenty five thou Oh, I
Speaker 2: texted you, I asked you, and I I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: still like, how how did that happen? And I think
Speaker 2: that's kind of what you need to kind of consider
Speaker 2: for just the way that the women's game is right now.
Speaker 2: And like it's maybe not that there's the gap is
Speaker 2: narrow between the top and the middle class. It's that
Speaker 2: the gap between maybe player five and player eighty five
Speaker 2: is not that high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think.
Speaker 2: Like certainly the fact that you have less confidence that
Speaker 2: the Rebaccans of the world are just going to take
Speaker 2: care of business and knock out some of the challengers.
Speaker 2: Less confidence in the world that you know that somebody
Speaker 2: is not going to step up their game against egon
Speaker 2: a given day. Less confidence that sabalancas you know, she's
Speaker 2: been dealing with injuries, but looked quite good in Cincinnati obviously,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, but still is you know, gets
Speaker 2: to the quarterfinals, their semi final stages of Slams and
Speaker 2: has you know, just full on checks out. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's uh, it's definitely opens the door for the uncertain.
Speaker 2: And I think also like the new wave of good
Speaker 2: young players has arrived.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you, is is
Speaker 1: there is it worth a shot on Mirra Andreva?
Speaker 2: Is it Worthreva has arrived, Diana Schneider has arrived, you know,
Speaker 2: to a less degree and not especially young. But Emmin
Speaker 2: Navarro is is here, like she's capable of beating the
Speaker 2: best on any given day. And like, just the fact
Speaker 2: that this kind of class is, uh, you know, supplanting
Speaker 2: the costat Quinas and the Sacris of the world, who
Speaker 2: you had relatively low confidence that they were going to
Speaker 2: get it done against the best, is making the game
Speaker 2: more competitive.
Speaker 1: I think it's all. Let me if I just went
Speaker 1: through like a roll call of players and you just
Speaker 1: shout out, consider it better or not talking about out
Speaker 1: right now? Andreva Mira, Andreva ninth. Well she's down to
Speaker 1: nineteen to one. Wow, she really crashed.
Speaker 3: She got a bad draw too.
Speaker 1: Oh she did. Okay, let's go through that first of all,
Speaker 1: before I go through the name roll call Q one,
Speaker 1: Q one through Q four. What do you got here?
Speaker 1: How did it shake you?
Speaker 2: So here's here's how it looks. So Q one is
Speaker 2: egast quarter as is now tradition. She has three buys,
Speaker 2: and then it gets real, real interesting and real tough.
Speaker 1: Drew doesn't mean actual buys, but yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Would be like she'll be minus five thousand, minus five thousand,
Speaker 2: minus five thousand, and then and then it gets interesting.
Speaker 2: She's got a round four head to head with Mira.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, which is interesting. Danielle freaking Collins and Pagoula.
Speaker 1: She's always with freaking Collins. Freaking Colins, follows.
Speaker 2: Around Collins like you know, you want, you want, you
Speaker 2: want Women's tennis Agro buckle up for IgA freaking Collins
Speaker 2: in the quarterfinal there at Q one and so yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean honestly, like those are two tough matches. The
Speaker 2: the quarter two is pretty weak. You have Paulini, Putinzeva,
Speaker 2: Leila Fernandez, Osaka Ostapenko like these are these are all
Speaker 2: you know, could be good, but could also no show.
Speaker 2: And then of course it's anchored by Rabakna, who were
Speaker 2: not expecting much from so it's there. There's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of kind of middle class swings you could have
Speaker 2: in Q two if you wanted, But realistically, anyone who
Speaker 2: comes out of Q two I would be shocked if
Speaker 2: they can advance to a final over whoever wins Q one,
Speaker 2: which is probably EGA. Q three is the weakest quarter,
Speaker 2: anchored by Coco Goff. Second choice in that quarter is
Speaker 2: Barbara Kachikova, and actually the player who is playing the
Speaker 2: best currently of any player in Q three right now
Speaker 2: is Paul Badosa.
Speaker 1: I was gonna just got her the roll call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she got a clean path to a quarterfinal in
Speaker 2: Q three where she's only gonna have to play one
Speaker 2: of Emma Navarro or uh or Cocoa Golf. And then
Speaker 2: the Q four is very top heavy, as you have
Speaker 2: Arena Sablanca with a with a very soft path to
Speaker 2: a quarterfinal against uh. You know a number of players
Speaker 2: who she's going to be huge favorites against, including jancsh Win.
Speaker 2: Best match of round one is in Q four with
Speaker 2: jancsh Win against and Amanda and a Samova.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be super fun.
Speaker 1: Who's been playing really well.
Speaker 2: Uh and uh Yeah, I think ultimately the draw looks
Speaker 2: fairly balanced.
Speaker 3: Uh and it looks fairly.
Speaker 2: Likely that you're going to have an Ega Sabolenka part
Speaker 2: two after seeing them face off in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Man, let me just say that, so Ego would be
Speaker 1: Ego looking for her sixth Slam and her second US Open.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing about the flip of the coin.
Speaker 1: The flip the flip side of the corner with the
Speaker 1: Ego Ego wins this. She is on a serena pace
Speaker 1: at her age six Slam at age twenty three, Sablenka
Speaker 1: looking to close the gap because right now on tour
Speaker 1: Ega with five, only Krejikova and Sablenka even have two.
Speaker 1: So Sabolenka looking to get her third Slam. But as
Speaker 1: you lay that out, Drew, Now, I just looked at
Speaker 1: the outrights Bodosa, Who's Q is in the cocoa golf,
Speaker 1: Krejikova Q three that you just laid out, Bodosa's forty
Speaker 1: two to one to win at all? I wonder what
Speaker 1: her cue, what her quarter number will be because that
Speaker 1: sounds kind of juicy. And then that that second quarter.
Speaker 1: I mean, Osaka just didn't After that French Open and
Speaker 1: match against Ego, we were like, oh, boy, Osaka, US
Speaker 1: Open hasn't really worked out that way? Has it?
Speaker 3: Since? No? Yeah, I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: And Ostapenko has been choppy to use the Wall Street term,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, is that if we're
Speaker 1: Baknna is who knows if she even goes. But if
Speaker 1: we're Bakna plays, you know, and has it has a
Speaker 1: sideways performance? Whatever? Is Paulini the favorite in that quarter again?
Speaker 1: Paulini trying to get to her third straight Slam final
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, I give up. Can you
Speaker 1: imagine if she got to three straight Slam finals. Sag
Speaker 1: and Zach, what were you saying?
Speaker 4: They're like, I don't think you can throw darts on
Speaker 4: the tournament per se, But I think quarter two there's
Speaker 4: there's some opportunity. I think like Carolina Mukhova as a
Speaker 4: player that could easily come out of that portion because
Speaker 4: I do think you know, she has the Osaka matchup
Speaker 4: in round one, right or on our ground two. I
Speaker 4: think that one, even if it happens like I would
Speaker 4: take Mojova easily, and I just think you're gonna probably
Speaker 4: get a really good number on her and just a
Speaker 4: player that's probably a top ten player also when she's
Speaker 4: when she's healthy, So I think that's probably where i'd
Speaker 4: go there.
Speaker 1: I agree Zach I had her to win her quarter
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon. Didn't work out. But I'm with you on Macova.
Speaker 1: She is you know, she's had the injury, so she
Speaker 1: went away for a while, but she's a French Open finalist. Obviously.
Speaker 2: My numbers say Paulini is a bet against here. Uh
Speaker 2: she's got and rescue first first match, that's not easy.
Speaker 2: Putin Seva would be round three. That would be tricky.
Speaker 2: Carolyn plusko a round who could be tricky depending on
Speaker 2: how her serve is in terms of rhythm. Yeah, Paulini's
Speaker 2: got just just a test every step of the way.
Speaker 2: If she makes this, it almost looks like this draw
Speaker 2: is set up to stop the madness.
Speaker 1: Enough of this, Enough of this little girl by the way,
Speaker 1: who couldn't be any more adorable and charming. I must
Speaker 1: say if he.
Speaker 2: Was a great addition to the c and but you know,
Speaker 2: let's give somebody else a chance to win some stuff
Speaker 2: for God's sake.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if I just went through so it sounds
Speaker 1: like so the opportunities will exist in Q two. For
Speaker 1: Q two and Q three, I'll add the Coco quarter.
Speaker 1: Those look to me to be the opportunities. Though, So
Speaker 1: if if fiatech, let's do it this way. If Tech
Speaker 1: can't get out of Q one, who does.
Speaker 3: Oh Man?
Speaker 2: Probably Paula first choice, dreav A second choice, Collins third choice.
Speaker 1: I would agree with that in that order. And then
Speaker 1: in Q four, if it's not Herena Sabalanka is a
Speaker 1: junction win or someone else.
Speaker 4: I think the winner of that match goes goes d.
Speaker 4: I could see at a Smova also going, you know,
Speaker 4: all the way up to imaginegains sabol Anca, she wins
Speaker 4: that first round.
Speaker 1: This is I'm actually much more pumped for the women's
Speaker 1: side looking at this draw. And I mean, obviously the
Speaker 1: tour is that way too now, but but this.
Speaker 2: Is this is I mean, the men's let's be honest,
Speaker 2: the men's US Open starts in like a week and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's exactly right. That's it kind of gets
Speaker 1: down to that. You'll have the Drapers of the world
Speaker 1: and those kinds of guys having great performances. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really start till then. But this, man, it
Speaker 1: does not get better than this. So, so Zach, you
Speaker 1: have just a review. You have Zverev on the men's side,
Speaker 1: you have Pagoula on the women's side. As outrights both
Speaker 1: pre draw you bet, I would imagine, and then drew
Speaker 1: the only you don't have anything in pocket right now,
Speaker 1: in an outright or anything. Nothing.
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm literally doing my numbers as we are.
Speaker 2: We are broadcasting here because the draw for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: you know, they did the draw quite a long time ago.
Speaker 2: But they made us wait for absolutely no reason. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I'm just just getting to this now, but
Speaker 2: I will tell you my numbers right now. Have I
Speaker 2: mean again, I haven't finished my sims of how I
Speaker 2: think the tournament is going to play out. But I
Speaker 2: look at I'm going to sort my rankings just basically
Speaker 2: my players by ranking here IgA and sable Anka number
Speaker 2: one and number two with narrow ish margin between them,
Speaker 2: and then big old gap Rebakana, who I have as
Speaker 2: a do not bet third, Cocoa Golf fourth.
Speaker 3: Actually, hang on, do not bet.
Speaker 1: Coco, do not bet. She is, by the way, we
Speaker 1: should mention she is the defending champion, for God's sakes,
Speaker 1: but do not bet.
Speaker 4: And you're getting a better number on her than you
Speaker 4: could have imagined, you know two months ago.
Speaker 1: Well last year, that hard court season where she was
Speaker 1: in d C and beyond, like she was just unbelievable
Speaker 1: on the way on the lead up, and now she's
Speaker 1: the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, like obviously the crowd's
Speaker 2: gonna the crowd is going to get behind her.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So for sure, you know there's there's a chance that
Speaker 2: she she goes you know, she does it but yeah,
Speaker 2: the for me, it goes Forbakna then Golf. There's a
Speaker 2: tiny margin between Rebaccna, Golf, Collins and Jang for me
Speaker 2: right now, And actually Pagoula is right there as well,
Speaker 2: like you, very very narrow margin between three through seven
Speaker 2: for me, and I have lines through Rebakkna GoF just
Speaker 2: based on price and expectation for Rebakna of concerns about withdrawing.
Speaker 2: But Dosa is my eighth and highest ranked player right now,
Speaker 2: the way that she's playing, and I know that like
Speaker 2: this it shouldn't be shocking because we've always known she
Speaker 2: had that kind of ceiling. She's made the final light before,
Speaker 2: I think on the wat A Tour, so like not crazy,
Speaker 2: but her number is way up relative to what it
Speaker 2: has been.
Speaker 3: My number on Azarenka is pretty favorable right now. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure exactly why that is. I'm going to dig
Speaker 3: into her results a little bit.
Speaker 2: My number on Andreva is very favorable, Navarro, Paulini, Kalanskaya, Schneider,
Speaker 2: and and then that's kind of where it drops off
Speaker 2: to sort of the next the next tier of competitors.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean my the difference for me between.
Speaker 2: Uh, the eighth best player in Pallabadosa and the thirty
Speaker 2: first best player in Alexandrova is not that much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know there are and we have I
Speaker 2: have circles around Anisimova, circles around Lukhova, just based on
Speaker 2: like how they look now volatility, yeah, and how that Yeah,
Speaker 2: how they're coming on at the right of time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, speak, yeah, I don't know volatility is the
Speaker 1: right word exactly, like and this Imova's was an awfully
Speaker 1: tough player to handicap this year because you just didn't
Speaker 1: have that much data to support it, you knowing which
Speaker 1: version of her are we getting? The same thing as
Speaker 1: we talked about with with Makova. The other thing that
Speaker 1: you brought up when you're going through those numbers, because
Speaker 1: these check out also with some of mine that obviously
Speaker 1: Ega has maintained this high level of of data in
Speaker 1: terms of service return, service service percentage throughout her career.
Speaker 1: The other player that you mentioned, and you're going through
Speaker 1: Sabalanca and every one of them, the most consistent player
Speaker 1: in that group, right, Like, so the Bodosa was it
Speaker 1: three years ago when she won Indian Welles or two
Speaker 1: years ago the same year that I think Basishvili won it,
Speaker 1: or maybe that was a different year. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but anyway, she won Indian. Well, she had that moment
Speaker 1: in her career, but then she's had the injuries and
Speaker 1: she's come back up. All these players, Sablanca up and
Speaker 1: then down. Pagoula is the other most consistent player in
Speaker 1: all of it. Like her level never dropped in any
Speaker 1: of this, Like, yes, she had it, you know, she
Speaker 1: has a minuscule drop. Obviously she wanted to work on
Speaker 1: the serve, but it has always maintained at a certain level.
Speaker 1: I just think that's anyway, for those of us who
Speaker 1: are nerdy about it and dorky about it, that's interesting
Speaker 1: to me that she, besides IgA, has been the most
Speaker 1: consistent at least according to what I've had. Let me
Speaker 1: just go through this roll call in numbers. First of all,
Speaker 1: Arena Sabalanca is the short shot to win this. For
Speaker 1: those who are wondering, it is plus two forty. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing it. Saba first, Aablanca shot. She is the short
Speaker 1: shot at least I'm looking at FanDuel she is plus
Speaker 1: two forty, and then Ega is plus three seventy. Shop around. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me see if that's the same. Let me let
Speaker 1: me go to DraftKings. Is that the same as DraftKings.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's now they're doing double chance. They're
Speaker 1: doing double chance. Uh markets as well. I'm saying, let
Speaker 1: me go to DraftKings to see what they have here.
Speaker 1: French open women. Now they have men up too. French
Speaker 1: open women. Yeah no, French wow, listen to this. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute. French open women at DraftKings tech minus one
Speaker 1: seventy five Sabalanca four to one. So I think FanDuel
Speaker 1: is a crazy outlier. That's that's nuts, completely flipped, by
Speaker 1: the way. So at DraftKings it's let's just let me
Speaker 1: just do the DraftKings ones. Then FanDuel number is interesting.
Speaker 1: DraftKings Ego minus one seventy five Sabalanca four to one.
Speaker 1: Then you have Rabakka on golf both at seven one,
Speaker 1: Mirah and Dreva down to twelve to one. Vandal had
Speaker 1: her nineteen to one. When I just loved this is DraftKings,
Speaker 1: Kurjikova sixteen to one, Janshin went sixteen to one on Jabour,
Speaker 1: who we haven't even mentioned, eighteen to one. What is
Speaker 1: she playing? I guess.
Speaker 3: Is in a not great place times.
Speaker 1: Paulini twenty two to one. All right, here's one. Now,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you guys just to react viscerally. SidD Alina
Speaker 1: twenty five to one. Any interest, No, No, Mukova twenty
Speaker 1: eight to one. This is to win outright. Lena Ostapenko
Speaker 1: has been choppy lately, thirty to one. She's been up
Speaker 1: and down.
Speaker 3: I've been not seeing it from her, Zach.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing pagool At thirty to one at DraftKings, thirty
Speaker 1: to one, thirty to one at DraftKings, these things. You
Speaker 1: know what, guys, you know what. I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: goddamn wrong market. Here I pressed, I completely pressed on
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, pressed on the wrong thing. Forget it.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to those that that was this DraftKings
Speaker 1: does not have it up. Forget what I just said.
Speaker 1: This is this is. Let's go back to fandel I Botch.
Speaker 1: That Arena Sabalanca is the short shot at plus two
Speaker 1: forty egos Fiatec plus three seventy. I must have been
Speaker 1: looking at French Open next year. Yeah, Coco plus seven
Speaker 1: to fifty. We're baking a nine to one. Pagoula eleven
Speaker 1: to one now we're talking and Dreva nineteen to one,
Speaker 1: Osaka twenty one to one. No, thank you, freaking Collins
Speaker 1: twenty nine to one. Janson went twenty nine to one,
Speaker 1: Paalini thirty two to one. Oh, here's one. Emma rod
Speaker 1: Ocanu thirty eight to one. Former champion, no anyone, no Bueller,
Speaker 1: no anyway, okay, but doses forty but doses forty two
Speaker 1: to one. That's got to be the best number on
Speaker 1: the board, especially as we look forward to quarter numbers.
Speaker 1: Maddis forty five to one. Anyone.
Speaker 4: I was there on the on Wimbledon and just yeah,
Speaker 4: that was that was her shot.
Speaker 1: Mukhova, Navarre, and Schneid are all fifty to one. For
Speaker 1: Djikova and an Issimova fifty five to one, and then
Speaker 1: everybody else. M wow, Maria Zakari one hundred to one. Wow,
Speaker 1: falling off of cause one.
Speaker 4: I'm always interested in it. Just I think it's gonna happen,
Speaker 4: like a deep run is gonna happen soon. Is Marta Kostuk.
Speaker 4: I think that she's, you know, a really interesting player
Speaker 4: that can kind of beat anyone, So you know she's there.
Speaker 4: I think one hundred to one, I don't think it's
Speaker 4: gonna happen here. But she's had a really good season,
Speaker 4: has had some really big wins at majors, and that's
Speaker 4: like a deep shot that I think will play off
Speaker 4: at some point.
Speaker 1: Leela Fernandez former finalist, and Anna Kalinskaya who you mentioned,
Speaker 1: drew both one hundred and ten to one.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Azarenka who you mentioned one hundred and twenty to one. Wow.
Speaker 3: Those are big numbers.
Speaker 1: Those are big numbers. Wos Niaki do anything for you here?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, nothing else. O'kare like in like the
Speaker 3: fifties right now?
Speaker 1: Sloan do anything for you. Sloan is always one of
Speaker 1: these who can just step it up at some point,
Speaker 1: but not anymore. No, all right, I think that's all.
Speaker 1: That's all the numbers. That's all the numbers I got.
Speaker 1: By the way, what a disappointment Peyton Stearns has been
Speaker 1: to me as well.
Speaker 3: She's well, oh did she lose today?
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm just saying she's like, I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at the odds like two hundred and fifty to one,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't. I'm just trying to see
Speaker 1: like it doesn't get longer than two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: to one. So anyway, so it sounds to me like,
Speaker 1: again Q two, Q three, huge opportunities potentially, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to stare at that Bodosa number, wait for that
Speaker 1: Bodosa number, for for Q three, for sure, who is
Speaker 1: who is the player? So what about those first round
Speaker 1: matches you were talking about, Drew, what's the one.
Speaker 2: You're uh, oh, we definitely Anthemova janction one. That one's
Speaker 2: going to be absolutely sick.
Speaker 1: Do we have a price?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything yet. The uh what do you
Speaker 3: call it?
Speaker 2: On board that you mentioned having a little bit of
Speaker 2: a tough time lately. She drew koud Matova round one,
Speaker 2: which is fascinating to me. So she's been very poor
Speaker 2: lately and actually I had to like literally search for
Speaker 2: her in my rankings.
Speaker 3: I was, so I was like, where is she? But the.
Speaker 2: The just the quality of the round one mnch is
Speaker 2: from top to bottom look pretty darn good to me.
Speaker 2: On the women's side, we mentioned, well, yeah, I haven't
Speaker 2: talked much about Diane Schneider.
Speaker 1: Yes, and.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth kind of noting that. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: having in trouble with my something stupid as as I'm
Speaker 3: trying to to make numbers while alive on the air.
Speaker 3: But the best, I think the.
Speaker 1: Best was that French shop and we did while the
Speaker 1: draw was coming out and we were reacting, what the yeah,
Speaker 1: what about Schneider.
Speaker 3: No, she's got an interesting.
Speaker 2: She's got an interesting section, I think, and she's a
Speaker 2: player that if you are not familiar with, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the younger players on tour, I would like
Speaker 2: to kind of highlight her and her game, which to
Speaker 2: me at least has taken the biggest step forward in
Speaker 2: the calendar year of twenty twenty four so far. Diana
Speaker 2: Schneider is a future top fixed player on tour. She
Speaker 2: could be even higher.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We called out Mira Andreva early, and I think she's
Speaker 2: pretty clearly on a path to be like a future
Speaker 2: world number three, maybe too, maybe one, And I think
Speaker 2: Schneider is kind of in that class as well.
Speaker 3: She's pretty special.
Speaker 1: Fifty to one in the outrights for Schneider, let's do
Speaker 1: with the flip side. Top seed among the top seeds
Speaker 1: to get knocked out first will be.
Speaker 4: Not a top seed for me. I've been fading Daria
Speaker 4: Cosaquina pretty hard lately. She has some twenty twenty two
Speaker 4: Arena Cybelenca level of yips right now in her second
Speaker 4: serve just you know, ten to fifteen double falts a match,
Speaker 4: you just can't win that way. So maybe she wins
Speaker 4: her first round match, she's playing Jacqueline Christian. I think
Speaker 4: you can probably win that match without a serve. But
Speaker 4: don't see her going much further than that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't wait for this. This is this is awesome.
Speaker 1: It's a great way.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 1: There is tennis after this. Obviously there is a there's
Speaker 1: an indoor heart season, there's the WTA and the ATP finals,
Speaker 1: but this is really sort of the closes the meat
Speaker 1: of the tennis calendar, if you will, and it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be fantastic. So to me, I do have in pocket.
Speaker 1: I do have EGA, not at a not at as
Speaker 1: good of a price that is as is available now.
Speaker 1: I made this ask you.
Speaker 3: A little bit about EGO.
Speaker 1: Yes, please, let's talk about EGA.
Speaker 3: I love talking about going with their second serve. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm less. I don't even phrase
Speaker 1: it that way. I phrase it what's going on inside
Speaker 1: her her head?
Speaker 3: I do you think it's mental?
Speaker 1: Yes? I think everything with her starts there. I think
Speaker 1: if she if she didn't put I mean, she was
Speaker 1: the first to have like a you know, what do
Speaker 1: you call it? Not a mental coach, but what it
Speaker 1: was the term for it. Where she was the first
Speaker 1: to have a sports psychologist with her. So she was
Speaker 1: pression enough to know that this was a big part
Speaker 1: of things in her career. I find it fascinating though,
Speaker 1: that she is again, she's twenty three years old. She
Speaker 1: has won five slams, and she has won ten one thousands.
Speaker 1: I believe ten or twelve. She has won ten. She's
Speaker 1: won twelve one thousands. No, ten, she's won ten one thousands.
Speaker 1: So the pedigree is there, right, five slams, ten one thousands,
Speaker 1: And when people say, oh, she's as a clay player, No.
Speaker 1: Six of the ten one thousands were hardcore. She wins
Speaker 1: hardcore tournaments and big ones all the time. But she
Speaker 1: I believe that she more than almost any other top player.
Speaker 1: Coco has problems with the forehand, but it's physical. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's mental. Ego. Just puts so much pressure
Speaker 1: on herself in a way that I believe others do not,
Speaker 1: or others maybe others do, but others have the ability
Speaker 1: to block it out in a way that she can't,
Speaker 1: and so she will get to a match where she'll
Speaker 1: be smooth sailing and then all of a sudden something
Speaker 1: will happen to her and it just it will be perplexing.
Speaker 1: And yet if she wins this tournament, she's like Serena Pace.
Speaker 1: So it's this weird thing where people like to get
Speaker 1: on her in a way that I don't feel is
Speaker 1: justified by the resume. And yet had she not have these,
Speaker 1: if she didn't have these mental sort of hiccups, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, she would have an even more massive resume
Speaker 1: because there are some I mean, let's be honest. You're
Speaker 1: up for love on Clay at Phillips Chatrier again junk
Speaker 1: should win and you gack that set? Where did that
Speaker 1: come from?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: People are people are I mean the numbers on you know,
Speaker 2: what her opponents are doing to her second serve make
Speaker 2: it look.
Speaker 3: Very very vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if that means she needs
Speaker 2: to take something off the first serve so that that's
Speaker 2: just not exposed or what.
Speaker 3: But it's concerning it. I guess.
Speaker 2: For while you were a waxing poetic sorry, I finished,
Speaker 2: you asked my sense no.
Speaker 3: No. At the time, I was trying to buy time,
Speaker 3: just like is.
Speaker 1: This guy gonna shut up about this or not? Jeez?
Speaker 3: I finished, finished my sins.
Speaker 2: I have IgA at championship percentage forty eight point seven,
Speaker 2: so my fare for her would be two point oh five.
Speaker 2: I have sabol Anca at twenty just under twenty four percent,
Speaker 2: so my fair for her would be four point one seven.
Speaker 2: I have fair price on Sablanca to get to the
Speaker 2: final just under fifty percent. Have fair price on Sablanca
Speaker 2: to win her quarter at sixty eight percent, So Sablanca
Speaker 2: at even if you can find out if they hang
Speaker 2: that like minus one twenty or something Q four, that's
Speaker 2: probably gonna be one of my bigger bets.
Speaker 1: Which one Sabalanca to get to the final?
Speaker 2: Sablanca q Q four Q four is going to if
Speaker 2: that if that's like they usually hang when when you know,
Speaker 2: when you have like a kind of a clear favorite
Speaker 2: and a weakish quarter, they usually.
Speaker 3: Hang them in like I don't know one one thirty exactly.
Speaker 2: You try to make it just minus enough that you're
Speaker 2: just you know that you're a little a little uninterested
Speaker 2: in laying that juice for the tournament.
Speaker 1: But you're fair. Was what I would do that?
Speaker 3: What was your first eight percent to win Q four?
Speaker 1: And by the way, I have EGO plus three twenty
Speaker 1: to win the whole thing. So by your numbers, that's
Speaker 1: a good bet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you know the data.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's making a database number on EGA is going
Speaker 2: to be betting EGA every week because.
Speaker 3: It's her whole break. Stuff is preposterous.
Speaker 2: Some of that, of course, is a little inflated because
Speaker 2: when she's that much better, she's, you know, she's she's
Speaker 2: got a little bit of a bully attitude, you know,
Speaker 2: which is fine.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: But okay, So my third choice actually by the numbers,
Speaker 2: would be Cocoa Goff, which surprises me. But I would
Speaker 2: make her twenty four to one. I have Daniel Collins
Speaker 2: at thirty four to one. I have jiangshan when at
Speaker 2: thirty eight to one, Azarenka would be my sixth choice
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 3: Amazingly, at sixty eight to one.
Speaker 2: Her Chikova would be my seventh choice to win. This
Speaker 2: is so this is kind of folding together the where
Speaker 2: they fall. It fell in the draw. I suppose with
Speaker 2: their current ratings, I have to double check some of this,
Speaker 2: make sure I didn't make any mistakes in terms of
Speaker 2: calling up you know, the player inputs. But Shier right
Speaker 2: in the mix there, rod Bodosa's right in the mix there.
Speaker 2: So those those two, those are two players that I
Speaker 2: think are probably well off people's radars that I think
Speaker 2: you should pay attention to in the futures. March two,
Speaker 2: which do Bodosa and Schneider?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bodosa for sure, Bidosa. That number is way too
Speaker 1: on Bodosa, that's out there. I think what's your fair
Speaker 1: on Bodosa.
Speaker 3: For the toe for the tote for the title? Yeah,
Speaker 3: eighty three to one?
Speaker 1: Okay, so name is so, it's so, it's not so it's.
Speaker 3: Not going to be ambitable to win a title.
Speaker 2: But my fair for Bodosa to win her quarter, I
Speaker 2: give her about a twelve percent chance to win Q
Speaker 2: three And so if you can find better than eight
Speaker 2: to one, ish, I think that's a bet.
Speaker 1: I do not think you will find better than eight
Speaker 1: to one, that is my guess. By the way, last
Speaker 1: thing about Ego, I want to say two things. One,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said what you said. If you are
Speaker 1: just if you're running the numbers. You will be betting
Speaker 1: her every single week, and that's I take a lot
Speaker 1: of shit on that. People you better you go and everything. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because this is what it says to bet too. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: what has given me more more hope for Ega to
Speaker 1: win this Hope is not the right word, but with
Speaker 1: my bet, it's I'll say hope is the way that
Speaker 1: that Sabolanca match ended. Do you all see that Sabalanca
Speaker 1: beat her six three sixty three, But it took Sabalanca
Speaker 1: forever to put her away on her shirt, which I
Speaker 1: was like, oh okay, it's like she kind of woke
Speaker 1: up at the end, but it was too late. But
Speaker 1: it was this toughness that I was I was very
Speaker 1: anxious to see and there it was. So we'll see
Speaker 1: if that carries over and then he sort of snaps
Speaker 1: out of that.
Speaker 4: And so what it did feel like if it was
Speaker 4: the best of five, Yes, that's what.
Speaker 1: It felt like. Okay, So Drew, when you just ran
Speaker 1: through the numbers, then the best bets then juxtaposed, Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know. We don't know the quarter prices yet,
Speaker 1: so we don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we see quarter prices, but I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: guessing from Yeah, where I have these players ranked, it's
Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna be because you know, there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of big names in Q three. You could get better
Speaker 2: than eight to one ubudos, so that wouldn't chock me.
Speaker 1: Maybe, Okay, I hope, so we'll all hope for it,
Speaker 1: all right, hopefully those hopefully those come out within twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. But you know how this goes?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: With these books? Yeah? Is there one that usually comes
Speaker 1: out before the others? MGM and Vegas for sure is
Speaker 1: the first, if the only, although William Hill sometimes will
Speaker 1: put them out.
Speaker 3: What is the short offerings are so lean? I can't
Speaker 3: even really tell you.
Speaker 1: Oh, dude, bookmaker, are you kidding me? They'll never do
Speaker 1: this anymore?
Speaker 3: Not interested?
Speaker 1: What happened to them? They're not interested? Where did you say?
Speaker 3: Three sixty five second markets?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're pretty fast. They're usually like as far as
Speaker 4: US market's going, it's right there with DraftKings.
Speaker 1: Are you all familiar with sweep steaks betting? Are you
Speaker 1: all familiar with this?
Speaker 3: No, no idea? What this is?
Speaker 1: Profit profit Exchange just pulled out of exchange betting and
Speaker 1: they have made the They did so because either's sports
Speaker 1: trade and there was Portrait is still doing it. They're
Speaker 1: they're going to different states with their exchange. Profit decided
Speaker 1: that the licensing fees state by state was just too ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and so there is this betting loophole with something called
Speaker 1: sweepstake's betting. But you can, like people in Texas and California.
Speaker 1: The upshot of all this is can actually bet on
Speaker 1: these things through a gambling law loophole. You're gonna hear
Speaker 1: a lot more about this in the coming year or two,
Speaker 1: and so Profit is doing that. So anyway, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: dive into it today and see if see what the
Speaker 1: tennis offerings are. But it's it's gonna be interesting. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a solution to my question of
Speaker 1: what's available, but we'll see because I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I don't even know if futures markets are even
Speaker 1: part of that, right, it might just be match by
Speaker 1: match anyway, Just a little just a little tip on
Speaker 1: that last thing. Drew No no, uh, Drew Enzach both
Speaker 1: no Week three NFL preseason. I'm guessing you're punting on that,
Speaker 1: are we? I played a little Colts, a little Colts.
Speaker 2: That's the team that has some talent and got there
Speaker 2: but kicked in the joint practice that I think is
Speaker 2: going to want to try to get there, get their
Speaker 2: mojo going before week one.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the only thing I played so far, and
Speaker 3: Zachary nothing.
Speaker 4: Also on the Colts five and a half and I
Speaker 4: had Buccaneers minus one and a half. I think it's
Speaker 4: another one where the Tampa is going to play their starters,
Speaker 4: you know, two or three quarters. Miami's not going to.
Speaker 1: All right, best time of year US Open and Week
Speaker 1: one in the NFL, we get that that awkward week
Speaker 1: where Drew goes away with the wife and then he
Speaker 1: comes back. We went, hey, due, are you doing halftimes
Speaker 1: this year? Oh?
Speaker 3: Without question?
Speaker 1: What do you do primetime games? Because because wish never.
Speaker 3: Yeah, prime prime chat, primetimers.
Speaker 1: Yeah do you do? Is that a Twitter spaces thing?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: You know we do.
Speaker 2: It goes up on YouTube honestly, like we used to
Speaker 2: put it up on like you know, I used to
Speaker 2: just go up on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, through their video thing. But you got to be
Speaker 3: a subscriber now to do that.
Speaker 2: And I, for some reason, I'm having a tough time
Speaker 2: finding it finding it in my heart to get of
Speaker 2: elon MUK money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm or a broken product.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving it to him personally, but but I
Speaker 1: through VS and I am so I might do Twitter
Speaker 1: spaces as well because Todd Wish never wants to do it. Also,
Speaker 1: all right, us open, good luck with all the bets.
Speaker 1: Let's look for that. Butdosa Price and Beyond also interesting
Speaker 1: on the on the men's side, with some of those
Speaker 1: plays in the in the middle quarters as well. Drew
Speaker 1: Dinzik Whale Underscore, Capper Deep Dot podcast with Ady Molitor,
Speaker 1: also NBC Sports Bet The Edge with Jake Croucher. Those
Speaker 1: come out when typically during the week during football.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're doing daily We're doing day pods now.
Speaker 2: We record Sunday night at like nine pm so that
Speaker 2: it can be hot fresh five in the morning in
Speaker 2: everybody's feet on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay. Then uh, and then we record the day before
Speaker 3: for the other days of the week so that it's.
Speaker 2: Basically in the in the feeds crack of down East
Speaker 2: Coast time every morning.
Speaker 1: And Zach, you're you're doing Tennis channel pods.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have some live shows for Tennis Channel on Twitter, YouTube, Facebook.
Speaker 4: I think Monday, Wednesday, Friday's the schedule, and then those
Speaker 4: turn into podcasts as well, and then yeah, just a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff of visa and I'll have best bets
Speaker 4: every day for the tournament. Friday afternoon, I'll have you know,
Speaker 4: some futures and draw analysis up just once we have
Speaker 4: prices out.
Speaker 1: Any any chance of you ever getting on that Tennis
Speaker 1: Channel live broadcast that they do during some of the
Speaker 1: matches where the three guys sit around and they just
Speaker 1: talk smack about the tennis magic front of them.
Speaker 4: I've been on Second Serve before Second Serve be on
Speaker 4: in a while, but I have been on.
Speaker 1: Before Second Serve. That's exactly what it's called. I apologize obviously.
Speaker 1: I watch it, so I'm not disparaging it, but it
Speaker 1: seems like it's ripe for a betting element, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: It was like I think it was originally supposed to
Speaker 4: be a betting show, and that they you know, it's
Speaker 4: a little murky on whether or not it is now.
Speaker 1: It is a little murky. Ben Wilson had a little
Speaker 1: flirtation with them on the betting side of things. Gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Thank you for listening. Good luck
Speaker 1: with all your bets. The US Open begins on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think it's Monday right that it begins. I don't
Speaker 1: even know anymore. Sunday Monday, do we know? Let's see.
Speaker 3: I think it's Monday too on Monday.
Speaker 1: Good luck, Thanks for listening.