1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Buck. 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: I gotta say this might be the most unprecedented blockbuster 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: day show that we have done since we took over 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: over a year ago. Now, the raid on President Trump's 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: Mara Lago estate, where you and I were with the 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: President in February doing a live show. We obviously were 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: with the President a couple of weeks ago at Bedminster, 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: another of his properties, and we laid out sort of 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: our thought processes, the legal analysis of the warrant itself, 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: which I would say needs to be released, the analysis 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: of legal scholars like Dershowitz and the top guy at CNN. 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: Even Andrew Cuomo agrees with us that this is an 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: unprecedented attack. And I think what it lays bare is 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: we've never seen a situation like this where a former 16 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: presidential candidate who is preparing to run again as president 17 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: has the FBI raid his home with the pretense out 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: there that his top opponent, the man who he just 19 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: ran against, might try and charge him with criminal violations 20 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: to keep him from running for president again. This is 21 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: banana Republic third world level intrigue. And so Buck, two 22 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: things come to mind here one, and I think I 23 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: know the answer to this for you, do you trust 24 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: the FBI to conduct a fair and impartial investigation of 25 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump? I do not, And Buck, I hate to 26 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: say this as a warrior, I worry, based on the 27 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: failures of the previous warrant, whether this warrant is legitimate. 28 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: I also don't trust the FBI now to even handle 29 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: whatever evidence they are seizing. And I hate to say that. 30 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: I hate to be in a position where I have 31 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: so much distrust for the FBI's fairness as it pertains 32 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: to an investigation like this. But after what we saw 33 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: to occur in Russia collusion, Buck, how can anyone out 34 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: there feel like the FBI is anything other than a 35 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: stooge organization At the beck and call of the Democrat Party, 36 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: the people involved at the very highest level of a 37 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: massive soft coup attempt against the duly elected president, President 38 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the people at the FBI, at the CIA, 39 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: and the intelligence community more broadly at the DOJ, They 40 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: were rewarded. In fact, some of them received minor slaps 41 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: on the risk, but those were undone and then they 42 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: got book deals, CNN contributorships, MSNBC gigs. They were treated 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: by their side as heroes, and the Right never really 44 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: got any justice or satisfaction for that effort against Trump. 45 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: If anything, they were largely but not entirely successful, because 46 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: it was the primary means of opposition against Donald Trump 47 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: during his four years well or until COVID came along. 48 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: The thing that they were digging in on more than 49 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: anything else to oppose Trump was the complete and utter 50 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: lie of Russia collusion. And so why would anyone expect 51 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: that the system has changed so radically in the intern. 52 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people say as that this 53 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: is some great, some great burn. Donald Trump appointed Christopher Ray, 54 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: so you know, so that means that this has to 55 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: be fine, or it's Trump's fault or whatever. I mean. 56 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: George Washington appointed Benedict Arnold to be a senior military 57 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: governor at one point before he took over West Point, right. 58 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you work with the bureaucracy that you have. 59 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Imagine if Trump had tried to appoint you know, some uh, 60 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know radio host who supported him 61 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: as the head of the FBI, right without any background 62 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: or experience and they would have completely lost their minds. 63 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: Of course he's going to bring somebody in from within 64 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: the FBI ranks. Now, clearly Ray was a mistake. I'm 65 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: not disagreeing with that assessment, but to put that on 66 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: Trump and to say this is somehow his fault because 67 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: he should have known better than to elevate Ray, Okay, well, 68 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: who Yeah, You've made the point that Trump's biggest failure 69 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: in your mind, we're not uniformly refusing to ever criticize anybody. 70 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: Everybody's worthy of criticism. Was some of the choices that 71 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: he made the biggest flaw. I think he would acknowledge 72 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: even he admits that that that his because he doesn't 73 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: come from that system. He doesn't know, right. I mean, 74 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: when I sat down with Trump in the spring of 75 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, you know, we had parts of the conversation 76 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: for the record, parts of it were off the record. 77 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Some of the off the record was you know this person, 78 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: you know that person from within the system. And I 79 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: shared my thoughts with him about people from within the system, 80 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: because he's not actually at that level where he's going 81 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: to have had either not just experienced personally, but even 82 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: know the people who know who the political hacks are 83 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: inside these institutions, and so you know, Christopher Ray is 84 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: an institutionalist for the FBI at best, and they go along. 85 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: You know, these guys, they go along with whoever is 86 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: calling the shots from the very top. It's very rare 87 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: to have somebody from within that system who is going 88 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: to stand up to a White House that is full 89 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: of activists and partisans. Okay, we neither one of us 90 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: trust the FBI. No, I gotta pull question up right now. 91 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: You can go vote in it now. Surprisingly ninety one 92 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: percent right now of you do not trust the FBI 93 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: to fairly and impartially conduct an investigation of Donald Trump. 94 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the accurate take. Does this actually strengthen Trump? 95 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: Let's play it forward. Mediate reaction, Oh my goodness, FBI 96 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: is investigating Trump. Buck. The immediate outpouring of people who 97 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: are saying this confirms everything that Trump has been saying, 98 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: that the deep state is allied against him, that they 99 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: are terrified of the disruptive influence he has on our 100 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: federal government, that this is why he needs to be 101 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: president in the first place. The political calculus on this, 102 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk with Jim Jordans some at the 103 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: end of this, HOLU talk with Annie McCarthy about the 104 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: procedure illegal part of this in a a few minutes, which 105 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: which I'm fascinating. And Annie McCarthy, for people who are 106 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: not familiar, was Southern District of New York. A a 107 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: assistant US Attorney for the Southern District of New York 108 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: for over twenty years and prosecuted the blind Shake in 109 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: the First World Trade Center bombing. The guy knows federal law. 110 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: So when you if you're out there right now and 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, I want to really hear from an expert, 112 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: you are going to love that conversation that we're going 113 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: to have in about fourteen fifteen minutes here. Okay, But 114 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: I think the strengthens Trump because I'll be honest with you, 115 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: I would love the opportunity if Trump were on the 116 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: ballot in the mid term, to be able to go 117 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: into a voting booth and push the button for Donald 118 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: Trump right now. I was gonna do it anyway if 119 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: he's on the ballot as the Republican nominee. But I 120 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: think there's an eagerness this crystallizes for many people out 121 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: there who support Trump and for those of you, and 122 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: I know many of you out there are in the 123 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: camp of Trump was too much of a bull in 124 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: a china shop for me. He created too much controversy 125 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: and tempest and turmoil. He's not my top choice. I 126 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: think even those people, those people I think buck are 127 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: even rallying around Trump today because they're standing up for 128 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: the principle of a former president. The United States shouldn't 129 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: have FBI agents storming the gates of his private residence 130 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: and trying to throw him in cuffs in front of 131 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: a federal judge with charges prosecuted against him by his 132 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: top political rival. That's just wrong, period. And I think 133 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: you can pull together a few data points here. So 134 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: they just had a raid. Notice how they're trying to 135 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: control language. Have you seen this a lot of Democrats. 136 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: It's not a raid. That is the terminology we use 137 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: for a sudden surprise FBI descending on a private home 138 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: and seizing stuff. You know what happens if you tell 139 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: them no, They kick in your door. You know what 140 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: happens if you get in their way, they throw you 141 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: face first on the ground and handcuff you. So, yes, 142 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: it is a raid. Was if this was going after 143 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: up to one of us. Buck if we came on 144 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: and we were like, hey, you know what happened in 145 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: the middle of the morning and pre dawned, FBI was 146 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: banging on my door, would you wouldn't it be like, oh, 147 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't a rate. It was a duly constituted investigative 148 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Act signed off on by a federal judge. They're playing 149 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: these games. We all know, okay, it was obviously a rate, 150 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: But so they rate a former president the same week 151 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: that we're being told they're hiring seventy thousand, give or 152 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: take IRS agents with this new building past seven thousand 153 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: IRS agents football Stadium four. And this comes after we've 154 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: seen they have a total willingness the people the same, 155 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: the exact same people who are cheering the rate on Trump, 156 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: The exact same people who are either voting for or 157 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: supporting the hiring of eighty seven thousand IRS agents are 158 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,239 Speaker 1: also entirely pleased with the decisions made during the pandemic 159 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: to arrest people for refusing to wear a mask in 160 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: a ra straw, or to arrest people for having a 161 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: church service because the government said so, my friends, the 162 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: Democrat Party is authoritarian at its core, this is who 163 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: they are, and until we all understand that, we won't 164 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: be able to really face up to the challenge ahead. Yeah. 165 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: I think that's totally well said. And I don't think 166 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: we can understate how radical and unprecedented this move really is, 167 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: because it's very rare. Buck, you and I are both 168 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: history nerds. It's very rare you can point to something 169 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: and say this has never happened. YEA, truly unprecedented in 170 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: the actual sense of the word, not hyperbolic bombshell trying 171 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: to get news coverage. Credit to the Fox News who 172 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: didn't even go to commercial for like five hours after 173 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: this happened. You were on, I was on. That's how 174 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen very often, right that there's But this 175 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: has truly never occurred in our nation's history. And the 176 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: fact that Christopher Ray and the fact that Marrek Garland, 177 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: and the fact Joe Biden none of them are talking 178 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: about this, the fact that we still don't know what 179 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: was in the warrant because it was sealed, this is 180 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: a real threat to our representative democracy. And you said 181 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: in the first hour, and I think it bears repeating. 182 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: The people who tell you all the time that our 183 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: democracy is under siege and under threat. Just got a 184 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: warrant to investigate the private residence of the number one 185 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: political rival of their point, it's not even call it 186 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: a former president really understates it. Yes, the likely future president, folks, 187 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: let's be honest about this, not the likely candidate likely 188 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: to defeat Joe Biden if he ran against him again, 189 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: given the trajectory of the Biden of illustration. So you know, 190 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: this isn't even this isn't even comparable in a sense 191 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: to Nixon and Ford, because you know Nixon's done right. 192 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: This is a whole other thing. This is someone stepping 193 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: in and saying you won't be able to run again. 194 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: And Clay, one question that you and I keep going 195 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: back and forth on. Maybe we can address this a 196 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: little bit and then bring it to Andy's attention, Andy 197 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: McCarthy when he joins us in a little bit here, 198 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: what could possibly for a rational, fair minded person, what 199 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: could they possibly either be looking for or have found 200 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: that would justify this kind of an act. I mean, 201 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: if they think it's and by the way, they do 202 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: have Trump's arrangement syndrome. So my theory here of the 203 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: case so far is they're gonna say, well, he had 204 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: some documents that the National Archive claims are secret and 205 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: necessary to be part of the National Archive record, and 206 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: the law is the law. I think we're gonna get 207 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: some total malarchy like that from these guys. But what 208 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: even theoretically would be sufficient for them. He gave them 209 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: fifteen boxes of records at the beginning of the year. 210 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: Why couldn't they just ask for another fifteen boxes of 211 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: the records. It's the exact question we had privately when 212 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: we talked. As soon as this news broke, I said, 213 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: who signed the warrant and what could they possibly be 214 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: looking for? Those are my first two thoughts as soon 215 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: as this news broke. We'll talk about that more, and 216 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: we'll get that sense maybe from Manny McCarthy and certainly 217 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: from Jim Jordan about where we're going. And then Senator 218 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: Tim Scott already made some interesting comments about this investigation. 219 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: A lot of Republican senators, let's be fair, not very outspoken, 220 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: as Minch McConnell said a word about this, not that 221 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of them laying back and letting 222 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: the FBI go to town. We'll talk with Tim Scott 223 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: about that and more. In the meantime, companies, by their nature, 224 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: they get greedy. 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Why welcome back to Clay 244 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton show. We're breaking down this shockwave where 245 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: the regime has now sent FBI agents into the home 246 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: of former President Donald Trump at Mara Lago. It is outrageous, 247 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: and Clay, we're trying to think of this, what even 248 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: theoretically could be the justification. Remember, he's not there, So, 249 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: as Alan Dershwoodz pointed out, the notion of what is essentially, 250 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, a no Knox or rather a surprise search, 251 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: not a no knock search, but a surprise search, doesn't 252 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: make any sense. They've already he's got lawyers, he's got 253 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: people to work with. There are any number of ways 254 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: where the process. People keep saying, trust the process, the 255 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: process would be. They say, well, we're sending people to 256 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: pick up these documents, and you know, you have a 257 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: judge or a court to side about the documents. An 258 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: FBI rate on the foreign president, so home, we're supposed 259 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: to believe that's in what world? Could that make any sense? 260 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: That's the part of this I'm having a really hard 261 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: time even processing. Yeah, And I think it's why the 262 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: release of the warrant is so important here because the 263 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: warrant might well specify what in particular they are searching for. 264 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: If what Trump said is true about them opening up 265 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: a safe, it suggests that they're in search of particular documents. 266 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: And I just find it hard to believe. I really 267 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: do buck that this is about charging Donald Trump with 268 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: not securely, you know, handling confidential documents, and somehow that's 269 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: going to be the charge. It feels to me like 270 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: a fishing expedition that is in some way connected to 271 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: January six, with an attempt to find some documents. But 272 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: this is what our first conversation was. As soon as 273 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: this became news, I said, I just find it really 274 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: hard to believe that eighteen months after he left the 275 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Oval office there's some smoking gun document that Trump is 276 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: in possession of that's going to guarantee that he's guilty 277 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: of a crime. He should make the search warrant public, 278 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: and my understanding is that it's something that he should. Now, 279 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, why when they come to search 280 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: your home, they actually have to have a point we've 281 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: all seen in the movie theoretically have that in a 282 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: copy of that in in somewhere in his purview? Why 283 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: not put it up on truth social so we can 284 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: read it. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what they 285 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: should do. He should have the warrant idea, and so 286 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: if he has the warrant, he should make it public 287 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: because that would deal with a lot of the issues 288 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: right now. 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He's spent over 320 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: twenty years as an assistant US Attorney for the Southern 321 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: District of New York, prosecuting many major cases, and he's 322 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: been on this show before. You guys have responded to 323 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: him very favorably because he can make very complex issues 324 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: understandable for all of us, as all good trial attorneys 325 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: are required to do, and so we appreciate the time. Andy, 326 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: I want to start with a big question here for you, 327 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: broad question, I should say, this warrant request. How unprecedented 328 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: is it for a warrant request to have been made 329 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: on behalf of a former president involving his private residence 330 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: and also a future potential political candidate for president? And 331 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: how involved do you think FBI Director Christopher Ray an 332 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: Attorney General Merrick Garland would have been in the decision 333 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: to pursue a warrant like this, Well, Clay, it's clearly unprecedented. 334 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: No former president of the United States has ever been 335 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: indicted by the Justice Department. At least one or two 336 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: have been investigated, but I'm unaware of any search warrants 337 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: being executed. Search warrant is the most intrusive manner in which, 338 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: or as we call him, investigative techniques that the Justice 339 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: Department uses to get evidence and in a nonviolent crime 340 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: where you're dealing with people who are represented by counsel 341 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: and who the government has been negotiating with, and apparently 342 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: this matter about the the Presidential Records Act in potential 343 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: classified information. These conversations have been ongoing between Trump and 344 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: the National Archives and other elements of the governments for months. Ordinarily, 345 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: you would just if you wanted to incorporate some of 346 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: that in a criminal investigation, you would give them a 347 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: search warrant, I mean a grand jury subpoena, and you 348 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: give it to the lawyers and tell them this is 349 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: the stuff that we want you to surrender. So to 350 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: do it by search warrant is not only unprecedented in 351 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: these circumstances, I think it's it really raises a lot 352 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: of questions about why you go to Defcon five at 353 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: the you know, in step one that obviously is troubling 354 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: for people. And you know, look, when I was in 355 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: the US Attorney's office in New York, I don't want 356 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: to pretend that the sovereign District of New York is 357 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: to be all and end all of everything. But I 358 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: wouldn't dare do an investigation, even in a case that 359 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: had minor political implications, without running it past the chain 360 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: of command in the office, including the US Attorney. I 361 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: would The last thing I want is my boss to 362 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: read about that in the paper, and that was you know, 363 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: people wanted to be informed. It wasn't a question like 364 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: as it is in Washington, sometimes with a hide under 365 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: their desk because if they find out information, they're expected 366 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: to do something about it, which is the last thing 367 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: they want to be accountable for. So New York's a 368 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: different place from Washington, I understand, But I can't imagine 369 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: that this was done without a green light from the 370 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: highest echelons of the Justice Department. Whether Ray personally would 371 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: be involved, I would assume that if it was a 372 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: top level of DJ, it would be a top level 373 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: of the FBI. But I always maybe because of my experience, 374 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: I always think the Justice Department is the laboring or 375 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: in a search warrant situation, whenever you have to go 376 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: to the court for evidence, it doesn't happen unless even 377 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: the FBI really really wants it. It doesn't happen unless 378 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: the Justice Department green lights it. Andy, it's buck on 379 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: that search warrant issue. How does this work? Does Trump 380 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: get access to the search warrant and his legal team 381 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: will they only get a partial or perhaps redacted version 382 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: of it? Could Trump make it public? So here's what happens, 383 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: Buck under the rule, the search warrant basically has two parts. 384 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: There's the search warrant form that basically says a court 385 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: has ordered the search warrant the judges signed off on. 386 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: It basically says what the agents are allowed to look for, 387 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: but it does not set forth the probable cause for 388 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: the search warrant. That's done in an affidavit that's sworn 389 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: to by an FBI agent but typically written by an 390 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: assistant US attorney or some Justice Department prosecutor that remains 391 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: under seal with the court. And what the Justice Department's 392 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: position typically is about this, and this is a sensible position, 393 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: is that if you have an ongoing investigation, you can't 394 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: publicize the you know, the basis for exercising a particular 395 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: investigative technique, because that would that would tip off other 396 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: people who are so andy. Can I ask it, I 397 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: think this is important? Does that then mean that there's 398 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: the possibility that we will actually never know the full 399 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: base if they don't bring an actual indictment against Trump, 400 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: we may never actually know what the full basis was 401 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: for this ward. Is that fair? I don't think so, Buck, 402 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: because for two reasons, I think you know. Number one, 403 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: if if what they found is at all relevant to 404 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: any criminal case that they eventually bring, and it doesn't 405 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: have to be a case against Trump, by the way, 406 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: it could be a case against somebody else that they bring. 407 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: If it's relevant, then they have to disclose it to 408 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: the defense in discovery. So this is not like a 409 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: Phis the situation where everything's classified and under apps. So 410 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: the avenue that would be most common for this ultimately 411 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: being revealed is the Justice Department doesn't do these warrants 412 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: for no reason normally, Right, they are trying to build 413 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: a case. Once they do build one, then it gets 414 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: turned over to the defendent discovery, and that's how we 415 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: find out what's in it. Right. But what I'm saying, 416 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: Annie is if they don't actually indict Trump or anyone else, 417 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: we may never know. Well, but then you have Freedom 418 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: of Information Act, okay availability because it's a criminal issue, 419 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: not a national security issue. Now, I can't say that 420 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: the Justice Department won't come in and say, you know, 421 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: the super secret national security information here, and if we 422 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: can't reveal it, you know, they may try to fight it. 423 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: But you generally have more avenue to obtain information when 424 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: it's a criminal prosecution as opposed to a fis a 425 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: national security matter. We're talking to Annie McCarthy. He was 426 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: the Assistant US Attorney for the Southern District of New 427 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: York for over twenty years, walking through many of the 428 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: details around funding this Andy pre dawn raid basically, and 429 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: I know they're disputing whether the phrase raid can be used. 430 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: If you were setting odds based on your experience, how 431 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: often would an FBI warrant raid such as this lead 432 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: to charges? And then I have a quick follow up, 433 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: so I'll if you remember this, how many judges could 434 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: you go to in order to get a warrant? And 435 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: how many judges do you think they may have gone to? 436 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: And how do they select who to go to? So 437 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: maybe you'll let's start with the with the judge question 438 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: and then go back to the likelihood of charges based 439 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: on FBI warrant being granted. So, in your experience, how 440 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: often is their forum shopping so to speak, where you're 441 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: going to a judge that you think is most likely 442 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: to grant you. How many judges could you go to 443 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: in order to get a warrant such as this? There 444 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: are different rules in different districts play, but basically the 445 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: way it worked in the southern districts in New York, 446 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: and I think most people of most places work the 447 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: same way. You know what judge is going to be 448 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: on what they call emergency or miscellaneous duty. For in 449 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: New York, it was like for a two week period, 450 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: so one judge would be assigned to what they called 451 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: Part one, which was for all the emergency applications including 452 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: like wire taps, search warrants and all that stuff. So 453 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: you would know ahead of time which judge was going 454 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: to have duty those two weeks, and you would know 455 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: then as a da like which ones are more likely 456 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: to be preferable to go in front of, right, like 457 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: which ones are more lenient to you in granting those warrants. 458 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: Oh yes, and because those same judges also here guilty plea. 459 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: So it used to be, you know, if you had 460 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: a cooperating defendant, you would want to make sure that 461 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: you got them in front of you know, one set 462 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: of judges rather than a different set of judges. Right, So, yes, 463 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: that does go on. On the other hand, if you're 464 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: dealing with the very often you're doing this doesn't sound 465 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: like that situation, but you're dealing with exigencies in investigations 466 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: and you have to play the hand you're dealt. You 467 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: know who'ever on. You have to go immediately, no matter what, 468 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: all right. And then the second part of that to 469 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: disclose you do have to disclose if you go to 470 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: a judge and he tells you no, you can't go 471 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: the next judge and not tell them that you know 472 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: the last judge sold you know, okay, Andy? And then 473 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: the other question here in your experience, when the FBI 474 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: conducts a raid like this, how often do criminal charges come? 475 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: And do you think, based on what we saw happen yesterday, 476 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: that there is an intent to bring charges? Well, I 477 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: want to say, generally speaking, I'm tempted to say in 478 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: excess a ninety percent of cases that where you go 479 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: through the paces of getting a search warrant, you have 480 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: criminal charges. Now, I think political cases can be a 481 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: little bit different, but you have to remember that to 482 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: get a search warrant, you have to show the court 483 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: that you have probable is that a crime got committed. 484 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: So if you weren't convinced that a crime was committed, 485 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: you wouldn't be getting the warrant in the first place. 486 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: And if you found you know what, you're telling the 487 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: court when you get a warrant, is there's not only 488 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: probable cause that a crime was committed, but the evidence 489 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: of the crime will be found in the place that 490 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: you're searching. So if you're right about that, the search 491 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: confirms your suspicions and your case is even stronger. So 492 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the time you were rest people and 493 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: execute search warrants at the same time, because it's basically, 494 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, mostly the same evidence and we gotta go. 495 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: But I just I gotta ask you this. I've known 496 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: you a long time and you're overwhelmingly spot on with 497 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: this stuff. Does your gut tell you there's already a 498 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: sealed indictment against President Trump right now? No, I don't 499 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: think so. I think they're building a case on January sixth. 500 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: I don't think they care about classified information or the 501 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: Presidential Records Act. I think they're trying to build a 502 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: January sixth case and that this was mainly pretextual. All right, Andy, 503 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: thanks so much, Annie McCarthy. Everybody appreciate you. Andy. We're 504 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: living through some very turbulent times in the financial markets, 505 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: the stock markets, commodity markets, housing, it's all been effected 506 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: in real ways. It's an unsettling time, bit scary. So 507 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: what do we do? 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Hope all of you are having a 525 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: fantastic time as we roll through the second hour of 526 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: the program, breaking down everything surrounding this situation with Donald Trump. 527 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: And we're joined now by Congressman Jim Jordan. Congressman, I 528 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: believe you have talked with the President or people around him. 529 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: How stunning were the revelations yesterday. What needs to happen now, well, 530 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: we need answers. I mean, this is as you and know, 531 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: and you've talked about Clay and Buck, this is this 532 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: is un preston, never happened in American history, and context 533 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: is always important. So remember it was just a year 534 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: ago when they said we're going to use the Patriot 535 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: Act against moms and dads at school board meetings. That 536 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: then it was two days ago, we're going to stick 537 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: eighty seven thousand i RS agents on small business owners 538 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: and the American middle class. And then of course yesterday 539 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: it's a raid on the private residence of the former 540 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: president of the United States. Likely can edit it for 541 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: president in two years. This is unbelievable. So that the 542 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: context and then the context just around President Trump. I mean, 543 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: first they spile on his campaign and no, by the way, Clay, 544 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: you made a great point. They spied on his campaign 545 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen when Kevin Kleinsmith in the Justice 546 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: Department altered evidence they spied on his campaign. Then it 547 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: was impeachment one, impeachment to January sixth committee, and now this, 548 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: So I think when you view it in context, this 549 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: is truly frightening. What do you think happens next? Jim, 550 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: it's buck. I'm just wondering, what do you think they're 551 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: steps will be? Because to anyone who's even the least 552 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: bit fair minded and rational, letting this just in a 553 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: week or two turn into yeah, national archives. You know 554 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: they wanted their stuff back. That's not gonna fly. No, 555 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: of course not. And I really think the thing that 556 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: concerns me is who's next? Who is they after I 557 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: got to show up at my place, your place, Clay's place, me, 558 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: Who's next? Because this is all it seems like it's 559 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: all about going after your political opponents. Well, who better 560 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: than the guys who got this amazing talk show who 561 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: were talking consent? Mean, who better than than the guys 562 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: who criticized It's like, who is next? This is what 563 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: I think so scary, And I just I've talked to 564 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: some small business I had an event with about forty 565 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: people that they all raised that same question, like everyone 566 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: is fraid And again you couple it with what happened 567 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: two days ago with this crazy Senate bill with eighty 568 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: seven thousand I R S agents now on the loose 569 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: who were going to be going after people. I mean, 570 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: that is what scares people. So I don't know. I 571 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: hope it's not what you know are our worst fears. 572 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: But again the content. And here's the other thing. Think 573 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: about what happened with Clinton. I remember when Clinton was 574 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: in front of the committee when I was on the 575 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: Bengazi committee, and I asked her a question about her 576 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: emails that she destroyed. I said, you have sixty some 577 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: thousand emails. Why not let a neutral third party, like 578 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: a retired federal judge examine which ones are working related, 579 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: which ones are personal. We don't want to see your 580 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: personal stuff. Why not do that instead of you getting decide? 581 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: And she wouldn't answer the question. She got to decide. Now, contrast, 582 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: that was what they did to President Trump yesterday. That 583 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: to me is what what what the American people see 584 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: and why they're so alarmed at something that again has 585 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: never happened in the history of this great country. Kevin McCarthy, 586 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: who will presumptively be the Speaker of the House in 587 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: a few months said that he wants Marek Garland held 588 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: before the committee's there to have to answer questions. Shouldn't 589 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: you Marek Garland or Christopher Ray, who I know was 590 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: just testifying I think on Friday, if I'm not mistaken 591 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: or somebody associated with the DJ have to come out 592 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: and speak to this. And second part of this, do 593 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: you really believe that Joe Biden's White House truly had 594 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: no knowledge that this raid was going to be taking place? 595 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: No great question? Right, I call for this last You're 596 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: so right. They should be their Friday. Chris Ray and 597 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland should be in front of the House Judiciary 598 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: Committee this we got to go back and vote on 599 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: this stupid bill they have, so so they should come. 600 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna be there all day long Friday. I'm getting 601 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: in Thursday night. They should be there and answer the 602 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: questions that the American people have. Kevin was right to 603 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: put out his statement. It was a good statement about 604 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: what needs to happen in the future, but right now 605 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: they need to come answer for something that's never happened 606 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: and the idea that they didn't know. No one believes 607 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: that this is the same White House who was coordinating 608 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: with the school Boards Association and the Justice Department prior 609 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: to the school boards ever sending the initial letter that 610 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: prompted Merritt Garland's memo to say, treat moms and dad's 611 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: a terrorists and use counter terrorism measures against them. So 612 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: the idea that they didn't know about this, no one 613 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: believes that. Give me a break. And that's why we're 614 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: all so scared because we saw what they did with 615 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: the school boards this year, Yet they didn't know about this. 616 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: For something as big as something as something that has 617 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: never happened in the country, no one buys that. Congress 618 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: and Jim Jordan, Sir, I appreciate you being with us. 619 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, you bad guys. Take care. Clay, he's 620 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: fired up, We're fired up, the audience is fired up. 621 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: Let's let's take this in the third hour into where 622 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: this is going like what we think the next steps are. 623 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: We to analyze as much as we can today of 624 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: the process, the obviously the big breaking news, what we 625 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: know up to this point, What are now the expectations 626 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: in the days and weeks ahead for this unprecedented raid 627 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: on a former president. Will also be joined by Senator Scott, 628 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,840 Speaker 1: who will be with us. At the bottom of the 629 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: next hour, we'll talk to him about this and also 630 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: the maybe some questions about the big bill that the 631 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: Democrats have just passed, and we'll be getting into all 632 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: this Clay. Quite a day here, sir, on this show, 633 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: on honor to be riding here with you, no doubt. Plus, Buck, 634 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: your picture is everywhere the Trump the photo bomb seeing 635 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: round the world. Go on Drudge Report. You'll see a 636 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: face that you recognize next to Trump. Fleet Travis, and 637 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton on the front lines.