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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Somebody knows something well. Truer

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Speaker 1: words were never spoken. And then in the case of

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Speaker 1: A classic Las Vegas Welcome to Las Vegas suitcase with

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Speaker 1: his small body stuffed into a Welcome to the Fabulous

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas suitcase? Is this real? The prime suspect, his

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Speaker 1: mom still on the run. An entire year after this

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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Foxcination in Serious XM one eleven. I will

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Speaker 1: never forget it. This little child, beautiful little boy, found

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Speaker 1: dehydration the cause of death caused by gastro territis. What

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Speaker 1: boy had. And now we know who is the purp.

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Speaker 1: The purp is his own mother. Why is she still

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Speaker 1: bounty hunters, dog trackers, the works, or are are they

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Speaker 1: simply not focusing on apprehending her as a little five

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Speaker 1: year old boy somehow lost in the shuffle. It's his

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Speaker 1: life less important than other people's. Do you remember the

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Speaker 1: man hunt or should I say woman hunt for Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Armstrong accused of gunning down a beautiful pro cycler Mariah

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Speaker 1: the way in disguise in Costa Rica. Oh yeah, they

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Speaker 1: found her because it was the high profile case. But

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Speaker 1: Listen to our friend's whas now.

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Speaker 2: The discovery was made by a person hunting for mushrooms

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. Also new today, autopsy was performed. We

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Speaker 2: do know that police day the boy is only five

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Speaker 2: but the information has not led them to any answers.

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Speaker 1: And that is how the mystery, the puzzle began. But

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Speaker 1: I'm still overwhelmed by just the words. A little boy

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Speaker 1: folded up dead in a suitcase, a Vegas suitcase found

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Speaker 1: in Indiana, but they have no idea where this little

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Speaker 3: Indiana State Please isn't giving too many details on this case,

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Speaker 3: but investigators do believe that somebody out there knows something

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Speaker 4: We are looking for the public's help and finding out

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Speaker 4: the name of this child, this little boy who deserves answers.

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Speaker 5: He deserves our help.

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Speaker 3: Sergeant Carrie Hols said Saturday night, a mushroom hunter in

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Speaker 4: He noticed something and went to investigate, and that's what

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Speaker 6: The man who found this boy, Jeff Meridith, is in

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Speaker 6: agony knowing he was one of the last people to

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Speaker 5: When I first saw that little fella, immediately I felt

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Speaker 1: It sounds like it's out of an Agatha Christie mystery.

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Speaker 1: A mushroom hunter, how likely is that? Very unlikely? Finds

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Speaker 7: Boy found dead in southern Indiana, remains nameless. His story

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Speaker 7: and the suitcase he was found in have gained national attention,

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Speaker 6: We now know how the boy died.

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Speaker 4: At this time, there's no evidence, then leads investigators to

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Speaker 6: Sergeant Carrie Hole says investigators got the autopsy and toxicology

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Speaker 4: Most likely due to gastro enteritis, which in common Layman's

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Speaker 6: And he says the toxicology report found nothing significant.

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Speaker 1: So if a little boy dies of vomiting and diarrhea,

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Speaker 4: At this time, we can also identify, excuse me, identify

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Speaker 1: He was Cairo Amar Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Cairo Amar Jordan was from Atlanta, Jordan, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: A man hunting for mushrooms made the discovery in Washington County,

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Speaker 3: Now their local mystery has turned into a nationwide search

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at WSB too as

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Speaker 1: Indiana State Police. Detective Busick, thank you for being with us, Yes, man,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Detective. Do you recall when you first learned,

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Speaker 1: How many six? Actually I'm guessing one of those is

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Speaker 1: Do you recall when you first learned, Detective Music, that

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Speaker 9: Yes, ma'am. How I do you recall that?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it?

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Speaker 9: Well, yes, it's very disturbing, Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: I pictured my own children. To doctor Thomas Plant joining me,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Plant, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 9: Well, thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 9: Well, of course, we're all emotional human beings, and we

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Max Lewis, joining us reporter with Fox

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Speaker 1: fifty nine in Indianapolis. Max. I'm sure you recall when

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Speaker 10: see this. And yeah, there were so many questions. It's

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Speaker 10: such a mystery. Where is this kid from? Why was

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Speaker 10: There were just so many questions for so long, and

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Remember a man who was

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Speaker 1: a mushroom hunting found the body of a little boy

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Speaker 1: They announced a dedicated tip line for information one eight

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Speaker 1: diarrhea leading to dehydration. The suffering this child endured. Steph Kramer,

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Speaker 11: In this particular case. I think it was a combination

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, Steve Kramer. Steve joining us

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Speaker 3: Thirty seven year old Dewan Anderson is now charged with

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Speaker 4: That no crime scene evidence technologies were spared in this case.

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Speaker 3: According to court documents, police identified Anderson through fingerprints on

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Speaker 4: The autopsy listed the cause of death as an electrolyte

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is dehydration of Police believe after dumping

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Speaker 3: They are still looking for her.

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Speaker 1: So mommy's fingerprints, Steve Kramer, you called it, We're all

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Speaker 1: baby Tyro. Was that your thinking, Steve.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Craig, that's I think the logical deducement. Once they

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Speaker 11: whose fingerprints also I understand we're found on the suitcase.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, right there, Wait a minute, So Max Lewis

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Speaker 1: that mommy and her friend, her running buddy, left fingerprints

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Speaker 12: On April fourteenth, investigators say cell phone towers and a

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Speaker 4: This whole case is all about justice for Cairo. That's

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it would have been It would have been that simple.

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Speaker 1: Do I have to say the words? Lauri Valo called

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Speaker 1: Right, are you speaking French or Latin? Flee I do?

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Speaker 1: To State Chrimer, former FBI attorney, federal prosecutor, President, I

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Speaker 1: But this theory of hiding behind your religion in order

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I mean I hear doctor Plant. I know

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean to call this a religion. Come on,

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Speaker 11: key thing with this, and you mentioned it earlier too, Nancy,

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Speaker 11: is they didn't think they were doing anything wrong. Then

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Speaker 11: why did to hide the baby or the five year

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Speaker 11: old in a suitcase and put it out in the field.

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Speaker 11: And why are they on the land now? What are

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Speaker 11: they running from? That they haven't done anything wrong. So

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Speaker 11: clearly she knows that she's done something wrong. But what

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Speaker 11: I find most interesting is her accomplice, John Coleman. They

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Speaker 11: were both wanted on warrants of neglect of a dependent

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Speaker 11: nineteenth of October. Less than a week later, those charges

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Speaker 11: were upgraded to murder against miss Anderson. So obviously she

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Speaker 11: probably said something to the police exactly what happened with

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Speaker 11: this child that allowed the police and the prosecutors to

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Speaker 11: upgrade the charges from neglect to murder.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, there's such a history Steve hiding behind

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Speaker 1: some kind of religion. Why your child dies. Thet's say,

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Speaker 1: there's two year old I'm going to listen last night,

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Speaker 1: Ella Grace. Her parents, Jonathan and Grace Ford, thought it

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Speaker 1: was God's will their little two year old die. Then

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Speaker 1: there's nine year old Jason Lockhart out of Oklahoma, much

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Speaker 1: the same, sixteen year old Neil Bigley, much the same,

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Speaker 1: And they hide behind religion while their child dies. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. I mean, Max Lewis fifty nine joining us.

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Speaker 1: So I'm Indianapolis. What's the reaction to Mommy climbing her

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Speaker 1: child was possessed?

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, it's I am sort of speechless myself,

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Speaker 10: and I think that's the way everybody else was. You know,

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Speaker 10: she had tried to reach out to this priest in

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Speaker 10: southeastern Indiana who was a well known performer of exorcists,

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Speaker 10: Vatican trained exorcist, and wasn't able to get a hold

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Speaker 10: of him. And so that claim, I think, or that

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Speaker 10: sort of claim from her and the Facebook post that

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Speaker 10: I do want to make a point about something that

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Speaker 10: doctor Plant said. He said that this child was likely

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Speaker 10: in danger before, or there were likely signs before. Well

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Speaker 10: there was. She was actually these two women, mom and

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Speaker 10: don Coleman actually got into a car chase, court records

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Speaker 10: showdown in South Carolina. They were running from the police,

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Speaker 10: going over ninety miles an hour on the interstate, and

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Speaker 10: the kid and the little boy, Kirote was in the

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Speaker 10: car with them. That doesn't, you know, spell danger? I

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Speaker 10: don't know what does, so you know, clearly I think

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Speaker 10: what doctor Plant said is correct. This boy was in

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Speaker 10: danger before, had been in danger, and unfortunately the peers

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Speaker 10: of right steps weren't taken and he ended up in

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Speaker 10: this suitcase dead.

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't the baby taken away then, Max Lewis, I mean,

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Speaker 1: his siblings have been taken away, why not him?

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Speaker 10: I don't know, you know, it's really a mystery and

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Speaker 10: something that probably authorities in South Carolina maybe need to

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Speaker 10: answer for because when this car chase in ended, you know,

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Speaker 10: Anderson was the one driving, the mom was the one driving,

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Speaker 10: and then Don Coleman was in the passenger seat. The

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Speaker 10: baby was in the backseat when this police chase ended

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Speaker 10: because they ran out of gas. They basically just dropped

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Speaker 10: Don Coleman and the child off at a motel and

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Speaker 10: took the mom to jail, and so she was the

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Speaker 10: child was given right back to them.

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Speaker 1: Wow, sounds like day fat supporting Family Children's Services on

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Speaker 1: and again. Now we have another dad child Seemingly nobody

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Speaker 1: but me cares because it keeps happening every day. Children

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Speaker 1: in horrible, dangerous situations are left there because Child Protector

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Speaker 1: Services does nothing. Now, speaking of exorcism, take a listener,

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Speaker 1: friends at Fox fifty nine, Yeah for David.

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Speaker 15: In the case details a series of strange social media

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Speaker 15: posts police se Kyrol's mother sent about demons, exorcism, and

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Speaker 15: dark magic in the days before he was found. On

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Speaker 15: April twelfth, Anderson reached out to an Indianapolis priest, Father

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Speaker 15: Vincent Lampert, from the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, on Twitter. Father

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Speaker 15: Lampert is one of dozens of priests who are exorcists

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Speaker 15: in the US. As you may know, and exorcist is

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Speaker 15: someone trained to cast out demons. Father Lampert told us

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Speaker 15: it's rare that a child dealing with quote demonic possession.

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Speaker 16: There's no such thing as an emergency exorcism. It really

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Speaker 16: begins with the person having a psychiatric evaluation by a

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Speaker 16: qualified psychologists or psychiatrists, and then having a medical examination

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Speaker 16: by their family doctor.

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Speaker 15: Father Lampard says when someone contacts him, he encourages them

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Speaker 15: to talk to their pastor and their family doctor.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace more heartbreaking evidence revealed on

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Speaker 1: social Mommy Anderson talks online about needing a quote exorcism

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Speaker 1: on her son to remove his demonic force. She even

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Speaker 1: made a post about telling her story in a book

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Speaker 1: or podcast about living with a quote demonic child. Doctor plant,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is an exorcism?

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Speaker 9: An exorcist is trained to perform a ritual. As you know,

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Speaker 9: the Catholic Church has lots of rituals, and this is

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Speaker 9: one a ritual that of training so that they it's

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Speaker 9: they're trained through the Vatican and so forth. The Vatican

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Speaker 9: approved and exorcists like this gentleman you just mentioned, and

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Speaker 9: including the excescists that I've worked with, we'll say that

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Speaker 9: ninety nine point nine percent of the time of cases

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Speaker 9: are major psychopathology and what's necessary is a psychiatric evaluation

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Speaker 9: or medical evaluation and so forth, and their troubles are

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Speaker 9: really in that arena. And I think that's that's true

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Speaker 9: when it comes to religion, sadly and tragically, some people

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Speaker 9: use religion for great harm and some people use religion

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Speaker 9: for great good. And I think that it's sort of

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Speaker 9: like a car. You know, a car can be a

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Speaker 9: great it gets you where you want to go, but

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Speaker 9: a car in the hands of a drunk driver is

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Speaker 9: a terrible weapon. The same is true with religion. In

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Speaker 9: this case, as you said, this woman may have been

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Speaker 9: using those imagery and things like that to justify her behavior,

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Speaker 9: which is horrific. But you know, sadly, that is a

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Speaker 9: common phenomenon across the world, and it always has been,

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Speaker 9: where people project their troubles and whatnot onto kind of

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Speaker 9: religion and then justify their actions in that way.

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Speaker 1: What you said is entirely true, doctor Plant. Just Gott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: I know forensics, I know crime, and that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to fall back home when I don't understand the rest.

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Speaker 1: I want you, specifically to take a listen to Courtney

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Speaker 1: Spinelli Fox fifty nine.

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Speaker 17: A child who for months was only known as the

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Speaker 17: boy found in a suitcase in rural Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Now has a name. Year old's Kiro Jordan Is Sue

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Speaker 1: hasn't really second had Cairo's.

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Speaker 17: Paternal grandparents and great uncles say they only learned he

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Speaker 17: died one day ago.

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Speaker 1: I would have wanted to know what kind of person

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Speaker 1: he would have come to be.

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Speaker 17: Things like whether he would have grown up to play

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Speaker 17: football like his dad did when he was younger. Authorities

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Speaker 17: are still trying to find Cairo's mother, Dejon Anderson, now

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Speaker 17: charged in his murder.

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Speaker 1: All she had to do with you know, let us

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Speaker 1: know and uh what he usually talking? How many children?

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Speaker 1: Jo Scott Morgan death investigator, have you been at the

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Speaker 1: murder scene, the homicide scene, the death scene, the autopsy

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Speaker 1: where mommy or daddy is a killer. But the rest

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Speaker 1: of the family did nothing. They knew there was a problem.

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Speaker 1: How could this family not know mommy was arrested for

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Speaker 1: aselony in South Carolina and got the childback and.

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Speaker 8: That that's counting on the fact that the individual had

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Speaker 8: contact with their family. But lots of times you'll have

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Speaker 8: these individuals that will know, I mean, they will know

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Speaker 8: that what's going on within that household is wrong, and

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Speaker 8: nobody interdicts it because nobody wants to get crossways with

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Speaker 8: the family members. Nobody wants to create a problem with

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Speaker 8: the family members and all for what. Now, in this

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Speaker 8: particular case, you've got this baby who was abandoned like garbage.

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Speaker 8: Let's just face it. That's the way he was treated

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Speaker 8: out in the middle of the woods. And you can't

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Speaker 8: tell me there weren't red flags leading up to this.

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Speaker 8: I've seen this over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Answer, we know that the mother moved around a lot.

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Speaker 1: I want you to listen, Ja, I can't want to

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Speaker 1: cut forward to our cut number thirty eight, Fox fifty nine. Listen.

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Speaker 17: In a series of posts, Anderson indicated she believed Cairo

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Speaker 17: was possessed family wishes. Anyone seeing these posts would have

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Speaker 17: reached out to offer help save Cairo.

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Speaker 5: That could have saved his mom, could have brought him

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Speaker 5: beck to Georgia, who could have helped him out.

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Speaker 8: Whatever we're to need.

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Speaker 17: As they worked to grasp what happened to Cairo. They're

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Speaker 17: grateful for the strangers who never stopped fighting for justice.

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Speaker 2: We definitely want to thank the people in Indiana who

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Speaker 2: did give him a proper burial. That was so nice

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Speaker 2: of them.

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Speaker 1: This shows what kind of what humanity really is. Hard

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Speaker 1: to believe that, with all of the available tools at

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Speaker 1: our fingertips, Mommy Jean Anderson still on the run running

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Speaker 1: from Lady Justice after her child found stuffed in a

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Speaker 1: Vegas suitcase in the middle of the woods dead. Disturbingly,

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Speaker 1: we learn Mommy Anderson arrested in South Carolina for child endangerment,

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Speaker 1: speeding in failure to stop for officers. Anderson only stopped

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Speaker 1: when she ran out of gas just before Tiny Kyrie's

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Speaker 1: body was found. Mommy Anderson arrested in Louisville for shot

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Speaker 1: with an assault. We learned that Mommy's friend Coleman, claims

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Speaker 1: to have been babysitting Cairo after Anderson was arrested. After

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Speaker 1: picking up Anderson, they went to stay at a cousin's

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Speaker 1: home in Louisville. According to a witness, the witness comes

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Speaker 1: into a bedroom to find Anderson on top of the

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Speaker 1: baby boy. The boy facing down on a Mattress. Court

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Speaker 1: documents only recently released, claimed the witness told investigators quote

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Speaker 1: it was already done when the witness came in the

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Speaker 1: bedroom to find the little boy dead. Dejohn Anderson aka

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Speaker 1: Mommy had already gathered trash bags in the bedroom used

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Speaker 1: to stuff the tots body in a suitcase to somehow

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Speaker 1: rationalize the murder. Mommy claimed her son was quote possessed

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Speaker 1: as she drove to Indiana to dump the suitcase. Mommy's

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Speaker 1: own ping to peak in Indiana, not far from where

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Speaker 1: Cairo's body found. Additionally, we learned surveilla's video from a

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Speaker 1: property owner show's Mommy's car stop on the road where

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Speaker 1: the suitcase was discovered. After coming social media, we learned

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Speaker 1: that Mommy's friend had the very same suitcase in which

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Speaker 1: the boy's body was found on the very same day

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Speaker 1: the Vegas suitcase was discovered. Video allegedly shows Mommy's car

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Speaker 1: driving across a bridge from Indiana to Louisville. A felony

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Speaker 1: murder arrest warrant has been issued for Anderson, but she's

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Speaker 1: currently on the run, last believed to be in the

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Speaker 1: LA area. Cops say they've searched for her in the

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Speaker 1: Metro La area, but came up empty handed. Last known

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Speaker 1: location Echo Park, LA. But she's known to travel far

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Speaker 1: and wide, recently having been in San Francisco, San Diego,

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and Houston. Her contacts reached all the way

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Speaker 1: back to Georgia, where Little Cairo was born. Anderson five five,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five pounds, short, dark brown hair

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Speaker 1: and last known photo. Often prone to wear wigs or

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Speaker 1: hair extensions. I don't care how many extensions she wears.

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Speaker 1: Nothing is going to change those fingerprints. According to recently

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Speaker 1: released court documents, we learned police use technology to pull

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Speaker 1: fingerprints from trash bags that encased the tiny boy's body

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Speaker 1: stuffed in a suitcase. Those prints a one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: match to mommy, de Jan Anderson. I want justice. I

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Speaker 1: want Little Cairo's mother. Dejean Anderson brought back to court

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Speaker 1: to face a jury and a true rate. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfold. Goodbye, friend,