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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Katie Lammer and I'm Sarah Down and we're going

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Speaker 1: to start off this episode with a little personal anecdote.

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Speaker 1: When my family was in Hilton Had a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, I told my little little brothers that they

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Speaker 1: could each pick out a present to commemorate our trip,

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Speaker 1: and my brother, who was seven at the time, picked

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Speaker 1: out this bottle with a map inside, and then was

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Speaker 1: heartbroken to discover that it didn't really lead to a treasure.

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Speaker 1: But of course, because he's a kid and not jaded,

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Speaker 1: he decided it might be a real map, after all,

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Speaker 1: it was just in code. Unfortunately, the treasure hunting does

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Speaker 1: not end with children and grown men and women lose

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Speaker 1: their heads, sometimes literally, sometimes just go crazy over it.

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Speaker 1: And one possible treasure that has enchanted Pete for centuries

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Speaker 1: is the Oak Island money Pit, which is our subject

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Speaker 1: for today and what's in it, according to some people,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the Holy Grail. Others think it's Marie Antoinette's jewels,

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Speaker 1: or Sir Francis Drake's lute, perhaps Captain Kid's treasure or

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Speaker 1: inca gold, the original Shakespeare manuscripts, even the Secret of Atlantis,

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Speaker 1: so naturally it's booby trapped to write or is it

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Speaker 1: Sarah or is it So we're going to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the discovery of the Oak Island money

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Speaker 1: pit that came in when a farm boy named Daniel

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Speaker 1: McGinness or McGuinness found something strange on an island in

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Speaker 1: Nova Scotia's Mahone Bay. And it was a place in

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Speaker 1: the ground that looked sunken, as if something had been

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Speaker 1: buried there perhaps, And above it there was a tree

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Speaker 1: depending on whose or you believe. And McGinnis wondered what

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Speaker 1: had been hidden away in this spot? Was it treasure?

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Speaker 1: And you know, we know people like black Beard dig

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Speaker 1: big holes and hide their treasure in it, so it's conceivable.

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Speaker 1: So he came back with some friends to try to

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Speaker 1: figure out exactly what was there, and armed with shovels,

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Speaker 1: they set to digging and digging, and then digging some more,

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Speaker 1: but the mystery only deepened. Much like the hole. They

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Speaker 1: idea what's going on, and as one can imagine, they

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Speaker 1: got tired when they went back. No one wanted to

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Speaker 1: it alone. But of course the legend had begun to percolate,

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Speaker 1: and one of our famous themes, Mysterious Omens, reported sightings

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Speaker 1: So a man named Simeon Lynz became interested in this

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Speaker 1: spot in the next decade after hearing about it from

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Speaker 1: our three farm boy friends, and they formed a group

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Speaker 1: called the Onslow Company and started digging again. They made

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Speaker 1: it to ninety feet this time, and they found logs

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Speaker 1: later discovered to be coconut fiber, which makes you wonder

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Speaker 1: where DiDia And they also found a stone tablet covered

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Speaker 1: in mysterious letters, which disappeared sometime in nineteen eighteen, nineteen

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Speaker 1: But they also strike a chest and they're so happy.

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Speaker 1: They figure, you know, we got it. Now this is

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Speaker 1: infuriates me. I think they shod there. Has has to

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Speaker 1: time they try to drain it, it just fills up again.

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Speaker 1: So they gave up, but came back after a time

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Speaker 1: something big. So enter another party, the Oak Island Association.

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Speaker 1: They too are trying to figure out how to get

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Speaker 1: what kind of booby trap is this? Eventually we get

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Speaker 1: And they find a tunnel five feet from Smith's cove

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Speaker 1: Captain Kidd's treasure buried in the island. And he thought

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Speaker 1: So they find cavities which are kind of like small

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Speaker 1: us at History Podcast at how stuff works dot com

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Speaker 1: because there are plenty of unanswered questions, as you've heard

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