Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why? Why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that cher? Yes? Goodness ding
Speaker 1: dum lost Coltoriss College. Wow, it's a morning. We've never
Speaker 1: recorded in the morning. There's there are a lot of
Speaker 1: first happening today. This is our first morning episode. Oh
Speaker 1: for you, it's the morning. But back in the day,
Speaker 1: when we would go into you know, downtown l A,
Speaker 1: let's say every now and then when we would go
Speaker 1: to when we go to the studio, um, that would
Speaker 1: those would be sort of morning episodes. And how do
Speaker 1: we ever do it? I really can't even I don't
Speaker 1: have the sense memory of us like getting up in
Speaker 1: the morning. I know that it happened. I just don't
Speaker 1: know how we did it. But remember when we do
Speaker 1: three episodes in a day, girl, the marathon that that has,
Speaker 1: the marathon, that that has the the true like over
Speaker 1: extension and of labor that that has. Girl, when we
Speaker 1: were in l A, just for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: we were like, we have to fit in everyone in
Speaker 1: the city, and we do three episodes in a day,
Speaker 1: two days in a row, and then be exhausted and
Speaker 1: mad at each other. And I just want to say
Speaker 1: the reason we're just for transparency for the reader. The
Speaker 1: reason we're recording this during the days because I texted
Speaker 1: my sister and our hot producers and I said, I
Speaker 1: need I need the mental health night. I'm sorry, y'all
Speaker 1: needed a mental health night. And this is that's because you,
Speaker 1: I believe it. Overworked girl. I'm just gonna say it,
Speaker 1: the girl, you are really breaking ground with this. You
Speaker 1: are the first to say I'm kidding. I feel like
Speaker 1: y'all are doing five weeks in a row and that
Speaker 1: is pandemic only the culture that's in our culture, because
Speaker 1: that would never happen. Um. Oh, but you know what
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, this is something we can talk
Speaker 1: about because I actually, unless you don't feel comfortable talking
Speaker 1: about this, I feel comfortable about talking. You'd be shocked
Speaker 1: how much how many things I feelt trouble talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: we have to talk about this for some reason. You
Speaker 1: said something earlier that made me think about the view
Speaker 1: and you were just blocked by a view co host. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you brought this up and sort
Speaker 1: of teed this up because I think this is this
Speaker 1: is this is the story. This is a story, and
Speaker 1: not only is it the story in this podcast, but
Speaker 1: it's also become a trending story in the culture, which
Speaker 1: to me is always whenever I feel like something happens here,
Speaker 1: and then cosmically it's like the faiths decide that we're
Speaker 1: going to get a response from the culture capital c
Speaker 1: I get rock hard. So last week on the podcast,
Speaker 1: we sort of the three of us Bowen, Sam and myself.
Speaker 1: By the way, what a great episode. So we had
Speaker 1: a thrill of an episode and we sort of touched
Speaker 1: on Megan McCain and I said, well, if you really
Speaker 1: listen to the content of what she's saying when she trends,
Speaker 1: you'll notice she constantly makes it about herself. She it's
Speaker 1: it's always about her. So now a few days later,
Speaker 1: I see that she has blocked me, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's interesting because I've never once added her ever, never talked,
Speaker 1: never tweeted at her, only said what I said on
Speaker 1: the podcast. So I reached out to a source that
Speaker 1: I reached out to a source and I said, go,
Speaker 1: Megan McCain blocked me, what could be the t on this?
Speaker 1: And this source said, oh, absolutely, one of her gaze
Speaker 1: told her and then he said in a parentheses, chills
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, a chill ran up my spine
Speaker 1: when I thought about what it must be like to
Speaker 1: be one of her gaze. So then I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she blocked me. Whatever. Then she gets on The View
Speaker 1: this week and says this stupid ship about how it's
Speaker 1: crazy that I, Megan McCain, co host of the View,
Speaker 1: don't know when I'm getting the vaccine and I'm over
Speaker 1: Dr Fauci and he needs Biden needs to fire Fauci
Speaker 1: and get someone in there who understands science. This is
Speaker 1: barely paraphrasing. No, no, no, you're you're basically quoting her.
Speaker 1: So basically she trended for being an idiot and making
Speaker 1: it all about herself and just being that kind of
Speaker 1: spoiled person that cannot help but make this situation about her,
Speaker 1: because it would be one thing if she's just like
Speaker 1: voicing a frustration about vaccine rollout and about like the
Speaker 1: plan of the vaccine, because I get that. But to
Speaker 1: say I, Megan McCain, co host of the View, must
Speaker 1: know when I'm getting the vaccine is just so tone
Speaker 1: deaf in presentation of your argument. But that's her. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry she gives off like only child vibes. But she
Speaker 1: has like, you know, five siblings. She has many siblings,
Speaker 1: but you know, I believe she believes she's the favorite,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just feels like she her the the whole thing. Though.
Speaker 1: The reason she keeps trending is because she is speaking
Speaker 1: with like zero self awareness, and so it just she
Speaker 1: just she just catches herself in these like moments of
Speaker 1: like pure solipsism where she's like, my reality is the
Speaker 1: only reality, and my my title as co host of
Speaker 1: the view, and just like makes it so that you
Speaker 1: would think that I would have access to the vaccine
Speaker 1: or entitles her to like more information, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just like it's it's crazy to say
Speaker 1: that out loud, but then it's just so it's so
Speaker 1: in line with what her deal is that I had
Speaker 1: to laugh because you know, it wasn't even like we
Speaker 1: were reading her down for like for like something that
Speaker 1: was inappropriate, like didn't comment on anything but what she
Speaker 1: says and how she sent her ideas, which is very
Speaker 1: uh self centered and very like spoiled, and it does
Speaker 1: come off this way, and you know, I didn't say
Speaker 1: anything about how it's hilarious to watch her say these
Speaker 1: things with her hairstyle looking the way it does every day.
Speaker 1: I didn't drag her for her styling. And you know,
Speaker 1: if her gaze are the ones putting her together in
Speaker 1: the morning, then uh, I say those welcome to the
Speaker 1: welcome to the resistance gays. Now, I feel like there
Speaker 1: is such a culture where happening among the queers where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Hell's kitchen gaze versus whatever gaze. But
Speaker 1: I feel like the real sort of the first thing
Speaker 1: we have to like rally around is really kind of
Speaker 1: vanquishing these Megan McCay gays. I mean, there's at least
Speaker 1: like two of them, there's you have, There has to
Speaker 1: be at least two because one has to be doing
Speaker 1: the hair, the other has to be doing the makeup.
Speaker 1: So basically it's like, we know there's at least two
Speaker 1: Megan McCay gays out there. And we should also say
Speaker 1: at this point, she's resigned to the board. She has
Speaker 1: resigned from the board of Lost Culture. Is this it's
Speaker 1: just Abby Huntsman. I mean, I'll have to check in
Speaker 1: with Abby about that, because I don't know if she'll
Speaker 1: want to stay on the board of directors of Lost Cultures.
Speaker 1: This and now that Megan McCain has resigned, because I'm
Speaker 1: assuming this is all a resignation. I'm assuming her blocking me.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure because there's the thing. It wasn't just me.
Speaker 1: You also wou you went off, So maybe she blocked
Speaker 1: lost coulch to who knows. I didn't. I didn't dig
Speaker 1: dig deep this. This is just my general philosophy. Now.
Speaker 1: When I when we talk about people on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I go, I think, what's the worst that can happen?
Speaker 1: Like with Diane or with Justin Timberlake, with Megan ncain,
Speaker 1: it's like I take a ship next to them in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, like who cares, Like there's no I don't
Speaker 1: have to, like I will not be forced to really
Speaker 1: work with these people in a way that I am
Speaker 1: that I feel like cornered into, like you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like have to like sit down with
Speaker 1: any of these people and be like, well, sorry about
Speaker 1: those things I said, but I guess we better get
Speaker 1: to working on this award show presenter, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean unless you get on the view or something
Speaker 1: like and and that at that point, it's like if
Speaker 1: either of us were ever on the view, I would
Speaker 1: turn to her and i would look her deep dead
Speaker 1: in the eyes, and I'd be like, ask whatever question
Speaker 1: you have because because at that point, this is the thing.
Speaker 1: Though everyone that you just mentioned, we didn't say anything
Speaker 1: untoward about them, No, we on this podcast we respond
Speaker 1: to things that happened in the culture. So if you
Speaker 1: put your foot in it and you're part of the culture,
Speaker 1: you become fodder. Bitch, you become fodder girl. And I
Speaker 1: can't say if you have become fodder, that's your that's
Speaker 1: that's that's your funeral. You are, that's your funeral. If
Speaker 1: sometimes all these people all they are foder fodder And Luke,
Speaker 1: you are my father. Luke, you are my father. I
Speaker 1: think if I believe it goes Luke, I am your father.
Speaker 1: I think you are my father because Luke is Lucas
Speaker 1: fodder now because Luke's in the culture. Lu Luke, look, look,
Speaker 1: Luke got his foot in it. Luke got his foot
Speaker 1: in it. All I'm saying, oh, I'm saying, is I
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about any of this, because ultimately it's
Speaker 1: like and I did, like I texted you and I
Speaker 1: was like after I saw that she blocked me, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, were we like disrespectful
Speaker 1: and you were like a girl. No, she's completely self interested.
Speaker 1: And then I thought about everything she's ever said, because yes,
Speaker 1: she is like anti Trump, but she says some things
Speaker 1: where I'm like, god, like, she really dies on this.
Speaker 1: She's so pro gun in a way that's like so
Speaker 1: strange to me. And I'm not saying like people can't
Speaker 1: be pro gun, but she's like angry whenever the topic
Speaker 1: of like gun rights comes up, and it's like, to
Speaker 1: ignore the fact that there needs to be a conversation
Speaker 1: about gun ownership and gun usage in this country is
Speaker 1: to me insane. And she also goes off about abortions.
Speaker 1: She's like militantly pro life to the point where it's like,
Speaker 1: how what is it with pro life people where they
Speaker 1: can't understand the argument that this is different for every woman,
Speaker 1: Like I understand that you yourself are pro life, but
Speaker 1: it gets to the point where it's like, you would
Speaker 1: really see laws passed in this country that would restrict
Speaker 1: abortion access for women in this country who aren't as
Speaker 1: privileged as you, who aren't in the positions that you
Speaker 1: are in, who may need to have this done for
Speaker 1: the life of themselves or the baby. Like it just
Speaker 1: is crazy to me these like pro life conservative women
Speaker 1: who then want to um, you know, blanket like what
Speaker 1: they think for this entire country. It's just so inappropriate.
Speaker 1: And she is that. And that's to say nothing about
Speaker 1: a litany of other issues that she takes conservative stances.
Speaker 1: On the fact that you are concerned about whether or
Speaker 1: not you said anything about whether or not we said
Speaker 1: anything disrespectful about out her is like such a trap
Speaker 1: because I mean, this is this is someone who is
Speaker 1: like volatile and whatever. I mean, she's just someone who
Speaker 1: like constantly is so easily perturbed by things that like
Speaker 1: it's not ever, it's not about anything we did specifically,
Speaker 1: it's about the fact that she is in this like
Speaker 1: mode of existing to she's waiting to be like incensed
Speaker 1: all the time. That's it. And so I don't know.
Speaker 1: And she's also we don't align on anything with her
Speaker 1: politically beyond just like basic things that would be agreed
Speaker 1: on just no matter what. And so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really feel any sympathy. McCain is
Speaker 1: like at this point, is bugs bunny to me? You know,
Speaker 1: she's big, she's become bugs Bunny, and we just gotta
Speaker 1: really like we I just want to kind of retroactively
Speaker 1: say that the one Williams documentary that our conversation about
Speaker 1: Wendy Williams was maybe overly like sympathetic, because this is
Speaker 1: a woman who was like started rumors at like tupockeat
Speaker 1: Aids and that, like you know, like did he was
Speaker 1: cheating on like it just like she started gay rumors
Speaker 1: about everyone and she knew she knew what that was
Speaker 1: going to do in that particular community too, and she
Speaker 1: knew what she was doing. Wendy has caused harm. Megan
Speaker 1: has caused harm, unfortunately. We there was another thing too
Speaker 1: that she said that really bothered me, which was she
Speaker 1: came back from maternity leave. She took a very long
Speaker 1: maternity right, and she came back and she said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I actually realized we need paid maternity leave.
Speaker 1: And everyone there was just like, uh yeah, and what
Speaker 1: he was like, I mean we've been saying and I
Speaker 1: think that they were like cool, good that you say
Speaker 1: this now. And I'm also like, we say a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I've said a lot on this podcast, Like
Speaker 1: I'm if someone wants to arrive on the right side
Speaker 1: of an issue, like whenever, whenever that happens, I'm happy
Speaker 1: about it, you know what I mean, Like I don't yell.
Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of person that's like wow, really now,
Speaker 1: like I experienced some of it with like the brittany
Speaker 1: of it all. Like when I tweeted out like you know,
Speaker 1: this documentary is about a misogynist society, I got a
Speaker 1: lot of responses that were like, yeah, duh. And so
Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of person that's gonna scream yet
Speaker 1: at someone, but this is an example of kind of
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like it's almost like things have
Speaker 1: to happen to her. People like this like need issues
Speaker 1: to be personal in order for them to be felt
Speaker 1: at all. And that's I guess my problem with everyone
Speaker 1: who's like a quote unquote traditional conservative and anyone that's
Speaker 1: conservative anyway, is it feels like there's a complete disregard
Speaker 1: for certain issues that just are never going to affect them.
Speaker 1: So for example, like of course they're all going to
Speaker 1: be pro life because it allies with their like you know, religion,
Speaker 1: a sort of upbringing probably and it's just like this
Speaker 1: sort of moral superiority that they all have because they
Speaker 1: don't have to actually encounter and like grapple with a
Speaker 1: reality where it would be life or death for them
Speaker 1: if in terms of needing an abortion. That's just not
Speaker 1: part of their experience. And so when she says something
Speaker 1: like that about paid maternity leave, I am frustrated because
Speaker 1: it's like, so, you really needed to go through this
Speaker 1: to understand why this would be a viable thing. And
Speaker 1: I could tell that she was sort of like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be my olive branch to the liberals today,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, cool, thanks, I'm glad there's someone
Speaker 1: saying this on television. But for her specifically, it bothers
Speaker 1: me when she arrives late to these issues because she
Speaker 1: has the she has the capability to be on the
Speaker 1: right side. She never is. Never is the time. She's
Speaker 1: just sticking her heels or she's doubling down on like
Speaker 1: um a stance she knows is not controversial should but
Speaker 1: she's just like very much like I'm dying in the
Speaker 1: woold Republican from the eighties, Like I'm dying in the
Speaker 1: wold Bush era Reagan era Republican UM And you're like Okay, great, Um,
Speaker 1: you're so slow on like moving along the curve that
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's meaningless at this way. It's just
Speaker 1: laughable when you say ship like wow, there should be
Speaker 1: paid maternity leave, It's like, oh my god, no kidding.
Speaker 1: It's just like and it's just so insulting to women.
Speaker 1: I think, like for her to be someone who has
Speaker 1: been around for so long to only really be saying
Speaker 1: this now and saying like, let's make an issue of
Speaker 1: it now, we let's make it a thing. Like all
Speaker 1: the women of the View going forward, it's like all
Speaker 1: the women of the Few have been saying this. And again,
Speaker 1: like if people want to arrive on the right side
Speaker 1: of whatever issue, that's fine. I just I don't. And
Speaker 1: I say this like being someone watches The View a
Speaker 1: lot and has for many years, and I've been familiar
Speaker 1: with her for many years. I don't think she's very smart.
Speaker 1: I think she understands the structures and um, I think
Speaker 1: she understands the ways in which politics works, and I
Speaker 1: think that she has a deep understanding of how Washington runs.
Speaker 1: But I don't think she is um very self aware.
Speaker 1: I think that she has a bloated sense of herself
Speaker 1: that interferes with uh an ability to be truly empathetic.
Speaker 1: And I I don't think that she is a good
Speaker 1: co host of the View, and I kind of wish
Speaker 1: they would move on because I think she makes the
Speaker 1: show very hard to watch because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of her arguments are just frustrating, Like and I really
Speaker 1: think that she represents going back to a time that
Speaker 1: was the most harmful, where there was a lot of
Speaker 1: inaction and quote unquote reaching across bio. She is like
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like on a producer level, they
Speaker 1: love her and they have to keep around as much
Speaker 1: as as long as they can because she is like
Speaker 1: the new hassleback. She is like the person in the
Speaker 1: on the panel who's like making headlines and like getting
Speaker 1: the show like little blips of like not pressed but
Speaker 1: just like, oh, the views back in the conversation, the
Speaker 1: views trending because Megan McCain's trending because she said the
Speaker 1: stupid thing and Megan, and Megan probably knows to like
Speaker 1: keep like flicking at that nerve. Honestly, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: she's she's a she's a provocateur. Really, I mean, like
Speaker 1: not in a way that's like and that sucks. But
Speaker 1: because I do believe she's like her, her and Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro have I mean, they're not politically identical, but they
Speaker 1: have that same instinct to like say some bullshit to
Speaker 1: get everybody piste off. She knows what words she to use, Like,
Speaker 1: I think she's adept enough at at provoking interest in
Speaker 1: her so she knows to go on to V and
Speaker 1: call Rush Limbaugh a titan of media. Meanwhile, like, you know,
Speaker 1: she didn't say anything positive, quote unquote about him, But
Speaker 1: it's that kind of language where where someone where someone
Speaker 1: gets on TV and says, you know, Hitler was a
Speaker 1: great man, and they don't say it like he was
Speaker 1: a good person. They said he was an influential person.
Speaker 1: They still know that they're using those words and that
Speaker 1: they're gonna gain a reaction. I think she's good at
Speaker 1: that type of thing where it's like, I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: language that that um insinuates something but doesn't state something,
Speaker 1: and it's just I just I don't I'm not into it.
Speaker 1: I can't believe she called him a titan of media,
Speaker 1: even if it's true that he was an influence, say
Speaker 1: he was an influence also coped to the fact that
Speaker 1: he was racist, misogynist, incredibly homophobic, started really started the
Speaker 1: birther thing about Obama, and like say that because you
Speaker 1: know it's true, and just because you're the conservative voice
Speaker 1: on this show doesn't mean you have to ignore the
Speaker 1: realities of what this person was like. And I think
Speaker 1: that she feels that she's been so critical of Trump
Speaker 1: that she asked to sort of like preserve conservative voices
Speaker 1: that she's used to because she's so critical of the
Speaker 1: new GP that she ends up like just like really
Speaker 1: propping up these harmful figures from the old conservative stronghold.
Speaker 1: There were the rushed Lumba thing is like kind of
Speaker 1: her being beholden to that like his peak which was
Speaker 1: like not his like one of his peaks, which was
Speaker 1: around the two destined election where her father was running
Speaker 1: against what was the Republican nominee. And it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: there is this like actual um emotional I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: time between Megan McCain and Russellumbauer. You've been like rubbing
Speaker 1: shoulders with these people for decades at this point, and
Speaker 1: like this was sort of like the environment you were
Speaker 1: raised in and you were like you used to like
Speaker 1: listening to Russia Lambaugh when you were growing up. Um,
Speaker 1: I just think I just think she's a product of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also I just feel like there's been such a
Speaker 1: movement up since his death. There especially there's been this
Speaker 1: like hero worship of John McCain. And I think it's
Speaker 1: fine and respectful if you want to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: give condolences to anyone that's lost a family member, or
Speaker 1: you know, give respect to someone that was an American
Speaker 1: hero in that he you know, fought for this country. Um,
Speaker 1: was a prisoner of war and then dedicated his life
Speaker 1: to service on on a face on face value, I
Speaker 1: understand that, but I think there's a lot of rewriting
Speaker 1: history about like how great John McCain was, because don't
Speaker 1: forget that a big building block of why we even
Speaker 1: have Trump is because John McCain made the selection of
Speaker 1: arapalin And for his vice president and normalized this sort
Speaker 1: of thing of putting a no nothing on the national
Speaker 1: stage because you know, had he been elected president, she
Speaker 1: would have been I mean, it's said a million times
Speaker 1: a heartbeat away from the presidency and normalizing that and
Speaker 1: mobilizing the kinds of voters that liked her directly helps
Speaker 1: Trump with what he attempted to do and was successful
Speaker 1: in doing. In like so, it's just I don't want
Speaker 1: to forget that John McCain did the things that he
Speaker 1: did in terms of creating the situation where in now
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's a dangerous thing of you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week to where it's like yea, Biden,
Speaker 1: it's like yea that we don't have Trump, but remember that,
Speaker 1: like these people were were the reason why this country
Speaker 1: is in such bad shape right now. The sort of
Speaker 1: just nothings that that we're in Washington that allowed a
Speaker 1: situation that provided Trump. I don't know, it's just the
Speaker 1: whole McCain worships thing, the fact that they're like royal
Speaker 1: figures in this country. Now they're falling out of favor
Speaker 1: with pretty much everyone. But I just I don't like it.
Speaker 1: McCain's the McCain's being royal figures is chilling. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I have nothing that I have nothing that my brain
Speaker 1: is truly Um yeah, we can't. I mean, look, she's
Speaker 1: off the panel and she's distance, she's the open invitation
Speaker 1: for to kill us. Is well, what you think I think.
Speaker 1: I think the invitation still stands. If she can get
Speaker 1: us to like her, if we can say, oh, she's
Speaker 1: actually really cool, then we will sappuko. We will seppuko. Specifically,
Speaker 1: this is the new layer um is that we will
Speaker 1: take a katana to the belly? Yeah and yeah, do
Speaker 1: you want to kill me? And then I and then
Speaker 1: I don't want to kill you? Know, I never want
Speaker 1: to contribute to your pain. Okay. I just thought it
Speaker 1: could be fun, like if we were if we were,
Speaker 1: if if she comes on the show and charms us
Speaker 1: and then we have to die. I think it could
Speaker 1: be fun to kill each other. But no, I would
Speaker 1: that would make me so sad if I if I
Speaker 1: had to kill you, even if it was even if
Speaker 1: it was a bit, and we we both end up
Speaker 1: dead at the same time. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: We don't. That upsets me? Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1: Moving again? More fun? Culture? Another witch bitch? The one
Speaker 1: division of it all you Okay, everyone is like, I'm
Speaker 1: honestly a little not surprised. I'm like, wait, Agatha all
Speaker 1: along is like a thing now, biggest hit in the country.
Speaker 1: It's a driver's license, It's Agatha it's really what number
Speaker 1: is it again? Full rule culture number four? Agatha all
Speaker 1: Along is the driver's license. Everyone is quoting it, Everyone
Speaker 1: is doing the memes of Agatha all Along, And I'm going,
Speaker 1: what happened to? Like, Okay, we're just like we're just
Speaker 1: gonna like spoil it for everybody, because I because remember
Speaker 1: like when Evan Peter showed up, Everyone's like everyone shut
Speaker 1: the funk up, don't don't tell anybody about this. And
Speaker 1: now it's like, I mean maybe it's because everyone saw
Speaker 1: this coming from a mile away that like Catherine Han
Speaker 1: was playing on the Harkness. But it's like now Adath
Speaker 1: all Along is like it lives in this um I
Speaker 1: don't know, like shared visual language of like it's become cannon,
Speaker 1: it's become cultures. What happened? That's actually true? That's actually
Speaker 1: very true. Well Adatha all Along? I mean, what what
Speaker 1: what do we have to add? We just we think
Speaker 1: it's that we think it's fantastic. I think it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: And so basically like in watching the show from the beginning,
Speaker 1: I knew there was something up with her, and I
Speaker 1: sort of in reading about what what she might become,
Speaker 1: like the agath haarkness of it all. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really fun, but the way they rolled it out
Speaker 1: I thought was so great, and I loved the song
Speaker 1: at the end, and I just feel like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is why you cast Katherine Han, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You cast her so that she has something big and
Speaker 1: fun to do, and if she's going to be the
Speaker 1: main antagonist, I think that rocks. And I think it's
Speaker 1: actually really genius casting because Katherine Han is exactly at
Speaker 1: that point where you can buy her being cast on
Speaker 1: this show as the nosy neighbor and the comic relief,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like Marvel is so huge
Speaker 1: that even though Katherine Han is big to us because
Speaker 1: we respect her, you know, work as a as an actress,
Speaker 1: and we always enjoy her. You think, like to the
Speaker 1: larger you know, consumption community, that's that's gonna maybe title
Speaker 1: of app or something with fadder fadder fadder, Luke, I
Speaker 1: am your you are, Luke you are my father? Might
Speaker 1: be might be titled that there's so much going on
Speaker 1: with um. But she I bought I would buy if
Speaker 1: by the end she had just been the best friend
Speaker 1: all along, because we've seen her be the best friend,
Speaker 1: but then you realize, like, oh, no way, they know
Speaker 1: what they're doing, they know what they've got here, and
Speaker 1: her playing a witch too good to be true, too
Speaker 1: good to be true, but it is This is a
Speaker 1: weird comparison, but it's I feel like this person deserves
Speaker 1: this kind of role in this kind of context. It
Speaker 1: would be like if you cast like Judy Greer in
Speaker 1: that role and you're like, exactly, oh, like this is
Speaker 1: so and she could handle You're there's a model for
Speaker 1: her being the best friend, but there's she also has
Speaker 1: the ability as an actor to become the main antagonist,
Speaker 1: and you'd be like so excited about it. I feel
Speaker 1: like Catherine Haunting. I'm not comparing. I'm not like saying
Speaker 1: they live in the same neighborhood in the industry, but
Speaker 1: I think that like, there there are a few there's
Speaker 1: only a small handful of actors who like are in
Speaker 1: that pocket and and we love them for that. And
Speaker 1: Catherine Hahn being in the m c U in this
Speaker 1: way is very fun and like now like it actually
Speaker 1: like I was reading on on on some stuff about
Speaker 1: how this is actually introducing horror into the into the
Speaker 1: m c U. Um Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness,
Speaker 1: which is coming out I think later at the end
Speaker 1: of the year or early next year. But that's like,
Speaker 1: I mean they're saying that, like that is going to
Speaker 1: be the first I think Kevin fogg usaying that is
Speaker 1: gonna be the first technical Marvel horror movie is kind
Speaker 1: of which kind of fun. But like this is introducing
Speaker 1: like like dark hold like that tone. It's like this
Speaker 1: is introducing all those elements um where you have you know,
Speaker 1: like witchy, witchie spooky, which I think is so fun. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So did you are you familiar with the character of
Speaker 1: Agatha Harkness. I only offer like cursory like readings about
Speaker 1: her that she's just she's wanted this like feature and
Speaker 1: she yeah. Yeah. She essentially a gray area of villain
Speaker 1: where in some comic series she is uh, full on
Speaker 1: antagonist like bad like kills Wanda's kids and then um
Speaker 1: in other ones, she is sort of a mentor figure
Speaker 1: and was even the babysitter for the Fantastic Four for
Speaker 1: a while. And it's that thing of like, especially in
Speaker 1: superhero series, like it's common for villains to play um
Speaker 1: on the good side and the bad side, and you
Speaker 1: often see heroes be antagonists as well. I mean, they
Speaker 1: kind of dabbled in this with Captain America's Civil War
Speaker 1: where the Avengers were fighting against each other. But there's
Speaker 1: been so much talk about, um, whether or not this
Speaker 1: is a villain origin story for reboot of the Scarlet Witch. UM.
Speaker 1: I don't know that they'll do that. I feel like
Speaker 1: in the in this beginning of you know, I guess
Speaker 1: Phase four of Marvel, it's kind of better to start
Speaker 1: it off on a more straightforward thing like the Scarlet
Speaker 1: which we're seeing her become a quote unquote which and
Speaker 1: she'll earn that Moniker, but she'll stay um good character
Speaker 1: and stay in Avenger. And it feels like easier to
Speaker 1: swallow that Agatha Harkness is now just a new villain figure,
Speaker 1: whether or not that's just for one division or in
Speaker 1: the larger m c u UM. But it's interesting that
Speaker 1: they bring this character in because this character, just like Wanda,
Speaker 1: has served a purpose of villain in the comics and
Speaker 1: you know, protagonist of the comics. So you still don't
Speaker 1: really know where it's going. It could go either way.
Speaker 1: I've also seen some theories that you know, Agatha is
Speaker 1: not the main antagonist that she's calling someone else. That's
Speaker 1: maybe that maybe is why this is all happening, so
Speaker 1: that she can conjure a greater villain that will become
Speaker 1: like the Thanos of this new part of Marvel, but
Speaker 1: all very interesting and thrilled that Katherine hann is ushering
Speaker 1: it in. I love that, I love I love that
Speaker 1: my sister is getting into m c U. It's been
Speaker 1: It's the first show in a long time that I
Speaker 1: watched every episode like four times. The repeat viewings for
Speaker 1: me is what's so surprising about you that you were
Speaker 1: watching these episode that you're staying up till midnight on
Speaker 1: Thursday nights to watch it and then you rewatch it.
Speaker 1: I mean this, I have not done this with the
Speaker 1: show since I want to say, I'm so sorry to say,
Speaker 1: like early season Grey's Anatomy, like, I have not done
Speaker 1: this in over a decade. What is it about the
Speaker 1: show that that that keeps you repeat watching? I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this earlier. I was like, what exactly is
Speaker 1: it that gets me to keep watching? I think, to me,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's just purely fun to watch. But
Speaker 1: B I also think there's a mystery element that I like,
Speaker 1: and I think that something about myself that I'm rerealizing
Speaker 1: is that I actually love a mystery, and I think
Speaker 1: I might start reading some Maggotha Christie books to be
Speaker 1: Honest Girl, Murder on the Lanes, Murder on the or Express.
Speaker 1: I think I would really enjoy it, um just because
Speaker 1: to me, like I do love like Easter Egg culture
Speaker 1: um looking through and being like, oh, that's that or
Speaker 1: that needs that, Like, I just think there's like an
Speaker 1: extra layer to the storytelling which I love. And I
Speaker 1: think if I can trace it all the way back
Speaker 1: really to the beginning of when I thought culture might
Speaker 1: be for me, Lost was um something that's sort of
Speaker 1: huge for me, And it's sort of pretended to be
Speaker 1: this thing that if you watched to the end, everything's
Speaker 1: gonna make sense, and it obviously failed in doing that.
Speaker 1: It was an enjoyable show episodes, episodes, sometimes season by season,
Speaker 1: but ultimately it couldn't follow through on that. And I
Speaker 1: think the reason why I'm loving one division so much
Speaker 1: is that I feel like this could, potentially, when the
Speaker 1: loop closes, all makes sense in a way that is
Speaker 1: going to make me very excited. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: actually this so many times before. You have not seen Watchman. Correct, No,
Speaker 1: not yet, and I and I really want to. It's just,
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's just I don't like violence,
Speaker 1: but and I it's it's it's fine. I have to
Speaker 1: get over it. I will watch it next, I really will.
Speaker 1: I think that the the it's Damon Lindeloff again, who
Speaker 1: is able to actually make it all makes sense and
Speaker 1: have it fit within the canon of the graphic novel.
Speaker 1: I think you would love you would really enjoy the
Speaker 1: graphic novel, or at least like a summary of it,
Speaker 1: and then you should go into Watchman thinking it's so
Speaker 1: interesting how because it's like it's a world where it's
Speaker 1: an alternate timeline of America, and it's a world it's
Speaker 1: it takes place in the modern were not the modern
Speaker 1: takes because so yeah, I'm modern, but still um a
Speaker 1: world with no Internet. It's like, it's really like the
Speaker 1: choices about the world are so so interesting and they're
Speaker 1: so intentional, and it affects like it's so thoughtfully realized,
Speaker 1: and the mystery element that like sustains itself throughout the
Speaker 1: entire series season. It all comes together in a way
Speaker 1: that is so satisfying and makes total sense. You will
Speaker 1: fucking cream you love that. You know what? Now that
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed this so much, I really because and there's
Speaker 1: nothing about it that I won't love. I think once
Speaker 1: I just settle into the tone, and there's there's there's
Speaker 1: a gay sense, and there's race, and there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff and fucking Gene and Jean Smart.
Speaker 1: I know, and I do stan. The third episode is
Speaker 1: is the Gene Smart centric episode, and it's my one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes of television ever. And there's just,
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's just great, a great performance threat
Speaker 1: of Jeans Smart and the whole thing, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, odd, yes, yes, yes, I got so
Speaker 1: pumped watching that episode. I remember, and you know me,
Speaker 1: I don't really binge watch really, but watchman. I watched
Speaker 1: the whole thing in like three days, just like Supine
Speaker 1: on my couch watched every episode consecutively. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have to watch. Get over the violence. There's not
Speaker 1: that much of it. Just watch it. I'm also fun.
Speaker 1: It's just you know what it is. It's just something
Speaker 1: I realized about myself as I've become much more of
Speaker 1: an anxious person as I'm getting older, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: used to have any problem with this ship like and
Speaker 1: then lately I'm just like it's sometimes I is this therapy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I will not watch something because I know what's
Speaker 1: going to upset me or make me feel an extreme
Speaker 1: emotion in any way, and so I will sometimes watch
Speaker 1: things or start to consume things like The Housewives, like
Speaker 1: like survivor honestly like a lot of reality television that
Speaker 1: I can just feel like I'm watching it and receiving
Speaker 1: it and like I understand it, and so I'm able
Speaker 1: to you know, laugh at it, not take it too
Speaker 1: seriously because it's not going to stir me in a way.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it what that is, but especially
Speaker 1: over the last year, I'm just not wading into waters
Speaker 1: that are gonna make me feel a lot you are
Speaker 1: because there's not much going on, and we're just like
Speaker 1: I was talking to something about this where it's it's
Speaker 1: like they're like, I am trying to win off my
Speaker 1: antidepressants because I am not. Because antidepressants make you, like
Speaker 1: help you get through the day, but you don't really
Speaker 1: need as in this person's case, they didn't need as
Speaker 1: as many antidepressants because they just weren't doing that much
Speaker 1: throughout the day to feel the need to be like
Speaker 1: shepherded through the course of the day. Yeah, they weren't
Speaker 1: having emotions that needed monitoring exactly, and so you are
Speaker 1: probably like your baseline for like stimulus is going down,
Speaker 1: and so you're like, I don't want to be like
Speaker 1: shocked out of this like stasis that I'm in. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's it, you know what. Maybe it has something to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that and this is again me
Speaker 1: just therapyzing myself, which is l O L not what
Speaker 1: you do. But I'm gonna take a crack at it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a thing of like, because I know I'm
Speaker 1: alone with my emotions, I don't want them to go
Speaker 1: out of control. Does that make sense? Like I'd rather
Speaker 1: every day feel sort of the same, then every day
Speaker 1: feel like wild. Like you know what's funny? Like actually
Speaker 1: messaged um Nick Laman and Jackson Ricken, who are friends.
Speaker 1: I I messaged them because they put on their stories
Speaker 1: that they were watching the finale of six ft Under
Speaker 1: and the way they were sobbing. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I message Jackson and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've cried like that. It's such a time,
Speaker 1: and he was like, it's honestly an emotional exercise in
Speaker 1: a release, and I was like, maybe I'll rewatch the
Speaker 1: entire six ft under because it honestly looked fun to
Speaker 1: cry that hard. I was like, wow, I haven't I
Speaker 1: have not. Well, that's not true. I wept and wept
Speaker 1: and wept when I when I want Jared and I
Speaker 1: broke up. But um, that was like the last time
Speaker 1: I can and only time I can feel I can
Speaker 1: remember feeling that big of an emotional swing. Part of
Speaker 1: me feels I left like those emotions behind when I
Speaker 1: when I left New York. So we yeah, like that
Speaker 1: you like that. There was a very emotional era for me,
Speaker 1: like towards the end of me living in New York.
Speaker 1: That really was when I felt like I could cry
Speaker 1: it any day at any time, and I was really
Speaker 1: feeling my Pisces moment. Now it's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I could make myself cry if I tried. I'm numb.
Speaker 1: Really interesting, But you are emotional girl, No, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're admitting the truth. Well, lately I've
Speaker 1: been very emotional because my defenses are down because I'm exhausted. Um,
Speaker 1: but I feel I also feel like I left like
Speaker 1: an emotional era behind after Um I started this job
Speaker 1: at ES now, so I feel like I've I've just
Speaker 1: like really checked out overall, which is not good. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you feel that's because like being emotional would waste time? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that like our sidetrack you or it would just be
Speaker 1: it would just be like another expenditure and like I'm
Speaker 1: already spending so much time on other things and why
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's exactly a waste of time.
Speaker 1: I did fully sob to SUITI on the studio floor
Speaker 1: last week for for boring reasons. But yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not doing well. Well. It's okay to not be
Speaker 1: doing well. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine to not
Speaker 1: doing And I also just want to say, I don't
Speaker 1: think we were supposed to record the episode last night.
Speaker 1: I think we I felt cosmically we were not supposed
Speaker 1: to record last night. I felt cosmically you needed the
Speaker 1: break and we needed to do a morning episode so
Speaker 1: we can wake up. Did I did? I forced? I'm
Speaker 1: sorry if I forced everyone to wake up. First of all,
Speaker 1: literally you didn't force anyone to wake up like we're
Speaker 1: recorded at ten am. It's not like I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: not like I was in New York, where it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to wake up at eleven am. Like in
Speaker 1: l A, everyone's up a crack of dawn. When do
Speaker 1: you wake up? What's your what's your normal wake up time?
Speaker 1: This is gonna shock you, like I wake up naturally
Speaker 1: at eight am, Oh my god, whereas I'm telling you
Speaker 1: in New York, you outslept me in New York. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm I was a sleeper in New York, something about
Speaker 1: like the humidity is like my body can't live there.
Speaker 1: But I have been missing it lately. I will say, Oh,
Speaker 1: maybe there is opportunity for you to return. Well, I
Speaker 1: am coming back. We can't tell anyone why, but we
Speaker 1: have a good excuse to your night. L O L.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that good. I think it's good.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes it is good. Well that's
Speaker 1: a little teaser, oh little teasery, a little teasuri. What
Speaker 1: can I say? I can't. I can't believe we devoted
Speaker 1: that much time to Megan McCain, because you know she
Speaker 1: hears and listens to everything. Oh yeah, okay, well, let's
Speaker 1: just let's make this. Should we make a promise here
Speaker 1: and now? Oh yeah, that we will only talk about
Speaker 1: Megan McCain once a year. Yeah, okay, so we we
Speaker 1: can have a once a year Megan McCain anniversary. We
Speaker 1: sort of revisit the year of Megan McCain. L O
Speaker 1: L no way. I thought you were gonna say, let's
Speaker 1: make a pact we will not discuss her again. I
Speaker 1: think it's impossible to not discuss her because she keeps
Speaker 1: like saying stupid shit and she just allows that damn job.
Speaker 1: And also, here's the thing too, Any any conservative host
Speaker 1: of the view that was effective is gonna do this
Speaker 1: to the culture. It's just it's it's annoying. Facet of
Speaker 1: a reality in which the view exists is that they
Speaker 1: feel they must have that conservative seat, and that person
Speaker 1: in that conservative seat is always gonna piss off America.
Speaker 1: And maybe that means that they're doing their job, but
Speaker 1: it is frustrating. I don't know. I don't know, girl,
Speaker 1: give me give me five Sherry Shepherds. I would really
Speaker 1: love that. I want to watch that show. Is that
Speaker 1: essentially the talk where everyone's just like I kind of
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Sharon Osborne like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Britney Spears is she's you know, she's a
Speaker 1: She's a silly goose. She's a silly goose, and we
Speaker 1: have to let her be silly on Instagram and I
Speaker 1: think all this is she's a silly goose and you
Speaker 1: know she's not even sick, which is making mountain out
Speaker 1: of a mole hill. She's a silly goose on Instagram
Speaker 1: and iPhone. Enjoy it. It's really good. You know you're
Speaker 1: doing living a really good tracy woman is Helen Mirren
Speaker 1: before we got on. It's really good. What I like
Speaker 1: about She's wholes about his body and the problemishing fishing out?
Speaker 1: What if? What a formative piece of culture for us,
Speaker 1: just for you and me as friends. It was I
Speaker 1: think I remember being one of after Nicki Minaj and
Speaker 1: Super Base, I think this video was one of those
Speaker 1: things that like really like formed a new bond between
Speaker 1: you and me when we were first getting to know
Speaker 1: each other, where we're like, oh my god, Matt and
Speaker 1: I are laughing at this thing for the same reasons.
Speaker 1: I think the same exact reasons. And then and then
Speaker 1: you know, and then like over time it was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: Matt and Bowen have an ear for like, you know,
Speaker 1: is he Stephen saying I'm not a surgeon. I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish it was a truth, but I'm not. So
Speaker 1: I quite like like we like the auditor, like, oh
Speaker 1: like you times well you and I respond to Cadence
Speaker 1: extremely strongly, and I've realized that if I'm going to
Speaker 1: be close friends with someone, they have to put number
Speaker 1: one Cadence has. It's all about. It's why I love
Speaker 1: Patrick because he's Cadence is important to him. It's like
Speaker 1: anyone in my life, Like you have to understand the
Speaker 1: way things are said. That's what it's like. You You
Speaker 1: called me the other day and I picked up, and
Speaker 1: the first thing you said was girl. I don't remember
Speaker 1: what was it was, I really want to lose three pounds.
Speaker 1: And then without without missing a beat, I said, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what are you talking about? You're so skinny?
Speaker 1: Shut up? Which I know it's like basic to quote
Speaker 1: mean girls at this point, but like, man and I
Speaker 1: have a once a month discussion about let's just like
Speaker 1: have a mini discussion right now about this let's do it.
Speaker 1: I mean we've had a version of this discussion and
Speaker 1: many episodes before, but like we've threatened, we've threatened to
Speaker 1: do this on the pot, and we're doing it. We're
Speaker 1: doing it. Rachel McAdams. Every single line read in that
Speaker 1: movie Oscar Worthy, I mean the whole like that, but
Speaker 1: that specific part like I really want to lose three pounds.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You're so skinny? Shut up?
Speaker 1: I mean, just a full, a full vignette. Also, we
Speaker 1: we talked about let me tell you something about janis Ian.
Speaker 1: That whole monologue just like a comedic performance that people
Speaker 1: would die to give. I just feel like and maybe
Speaker 1: if it's released today, because there's more awareness that this happens,
Speaker 1: like to give the comedy movies are given the shaft
Speaker 1: when it comes to awards, maybe she would get something.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like, it's why I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: like Maria Bekalova this year. It's like Award comedy, you
Speaker 1: must because Rachel McAdams like, first of all, queen. Second
Speaker 1: of all, like you can't really picture anyone else doing it,
Speaker 1: and she and she wasn't a thing before that, and
Speaker 1: yet she came in and was like, no, I'm iconic forever.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about janis Ian. We're best
Speaker 1: friends in middle school, you know right, It's so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I don't even whatever. The eighth grade, I started going
Speaker 1: out with my first boyfriend, Kyle, who so hot and
Speaker 1: Indian Indianna who was so happy that he moved into Indiana,
Speaker 1: and Jane's was like weirdly jalous of me, Like if
Speaker 1: I would her off to hear with Kyle, she'd be like,
Speaker 1: why did you call me back? And then'd be like,
Speaker 1: why are you so obsessed? Why are you so obsessed
Speaker 1: with me? The very birthday party, which is an all girls,
Speaker 1: full party, I was like, Janna's I can't about you
Speaker 1: because I think you're a lesbian. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I couldn't right there was going to be girls. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was a less lesbian than her mom called my
Speaker 1: mom and started yelling at her. It was so arward,
Speaker 1: and she dropped out of school because not to talk
Speaker 1: to her. And she came back in the fall for
Speaker 1: high school and her hair was all cut off, and
Speaker 1: she she was totally weird and Oliver hair was cut
Speaker 1: off and she was totally weird. She's Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I love your scirt where you I mean, that whole
Speaker 1: genius thing is genius? Are we saying Tina Fey is
Speaker 1: a talented writer? Oh my god? I mean it's also
Speaker 1: like there is a deep understanding in this text of
Speaker 1: what it means to be this type of girl. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying t is this type of girl. I'm saying
Speaker 1: she researched. Whatever this book is. It's based on queen
Speaker 1: bees and wannabes. Maybe this is worth a read because
Speaker 1: there is such smart, deft understanding of what it is
Speaker 1: to deal with this type of girl, to be this
Speaker 1: type of girl, to navigate this type of girl. The
Speaker 1: social dynamics in the movie are like really well researched.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've never felt so seen as when
Speaker 1: they did the three way call attack that used to
Speaker 1: happen to me all the time. I was friends with
Speaker 1: these two girls, Alian Rachel, who I then had to
Speaker 1: say to them ultimately like we can't be friends anymore.
Speaker 1: And it was a whole thing. But they would routinely
Speaker 1: three way call attack and I was just like what
Speaker 1: it was. It was something where it was like I
Speaker 1: didn't know it was so popular, and then when I
Speaker 1: saw it in that movie, I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: almost felt like, wow, that wasn't just something that I
Speaker 1: was the victim of. And then I feel like they
Speaker 1: stopped happening after the movie came out. In my life,
Speaker 1: they stopped happening because I would also get three way
Speaker 1: calls from like I think it was like Vicky Reis
Speaker 1: Jones and Ginetally and and and like like like full names.
Speaker 1: It's fine, um, but yeah, like I think it just
Speaker 1: there was a drop off after the movie came out
Speaker 1: where people were like, oh, like our asses are unnoticed
Speaker 1: because I mean the girls came out right as we
Speaker 1: were going going into high school. Four yeah, like eighth grade,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh please the worst. And also, like
Speaker 1: we always talk about like how it's sort of normalized
Speaker 1: a mode of behavior for that type of girl going
Speaker 1: forward to like this is the dark side of it
Speaker 1: all is that it really showed some girls how to
Speaker 1: be mean, like if they needed any help, Like there
Speaker 1: was Rachel Mick Adams that sort of expertly modeled that behavior.
Speaker 1: I had a friend I will not say her name
Speaker 1: because she should be mad, but I saw her start
Speaker 1: to act like this girl, like in the way she
Speaker 1: was speaking, in the way she'd look at people. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you are influenced by this movie, because
Speaker 1: not everyone is going to be able to see irony
Speaker 1: in it, you know what I mean, that's the dark
Speaker 1: side of it. Because even now there's like there's like
Speaker 1: fun little like gen Z, Like there's a fun little
Speaker 1: gen Z pocket where like the bullies in school now
Speaker 1: are like kids were like, you haven't read enough Marxist
Speaker 1: theory to be in our friend group. But it's like
Speaker 1: it's still from the same it's like a different kind
Speaker 1: of like mean person. It's a different kind of bully
Speaker 1: who's like intellectual and it's like whatever, like oh you
Speaker 1: don't respect people's pronouns enough so we can't talk to you.
Speaker 1: It's like that kind of thing. It's still it's still
Speaker 1: the same route, which is Regina George to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's um And it's just it's just so funny
Speaker 1: because she made it look cool, like she is the
Speaker 1: iconic part of the movie. Like it's not even cool,
Speaker 1: not even cool. She made it look fun, which is different,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, and we we do stand. Don't I
Speaker 1: know you? Why don't I know you do you wait?
Speaker 1: What shut up? Pretty pretty every everything pretty there there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it's aged in a
Speaker 1: way that I mean, there's some things about the movie
Speaker 1: that are like oh that's rough, but um yes, which
Speaker 1: which is every movie from that time. But I feel
Speaker 1: like the fact that it's still like in like the
Speaker 1: momentic language of like, oh, like you show someone a
Speaker 1: picture of like Regina George's crossing arms and saying, so
Speaker 1: you agree, you blank, like whatever, like whenever that's like
Speaker 1: a reaction to something like that, Like it feels like
Speaker 1: you can't remove. It's not gonna like wean off anytime soon.
Speaker 1: That this is still like a reference that people immediately understand,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, part of the culture. Even yes,
Speaker 1: well that's what I mean to say, but it's like
Speaker 1: not not not even like Heathers did that, not even
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna say, not even Clueless did that for
Speaker 1: gen X. I think it did, but but it never
Speaker 1: was going to. I think that it's gonna feel more
Speaker 1: culty to us, obviously because of our age and also
Speaker 1: because probably at the time, like you literally had to
Speaker 1: go see the movie in order to understand and have
Speaker 1: it circulate the sort of like in order to for
Speaker 1: that generation to sort of meme something like, they would
Speaker 1: have to be an active seeking out of it. And
Speaker 1: I think it probably made it more exciting and and
Speaker 1: or just as exciting in a different way. But I
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying where it's like it feels like
Speaker 1: because our generation would then be the generation of um,
Speaker 1: you know, meming things and me becaueen the coming comedy,
Speaker 1: it feels like it hit it exactly the right time
Speaker 1: because it's nostalgia. It's actually good and it's and it's
Speaker 1: hitting with our particular generation, which is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: for better or worse, addicted to meme culture. But I
Speaker 1: even think I don't know, I think I think it
Speaker 1: like in some ways that missed the cut off, and
Speaker 1: yet it's still survived, it's still circulating despite that, it's
Speaker 1: still like I think some Gen Z people would would
Speaker 1: see a mean Girls mean be like, I understand what
Speaker 1: that's from, and it's not like cringe or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's like that that's that's the thing that is
Speaker 1: unique to mean Girls that I don't think happened with
Speaker 1: Clueless or with Heathers or with like other like movies
Speaker 1: from that neighborhood. I wonder when Mean Girls will feel
Speaker 1: stylistically period slash dated, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: literally six months who knows truly I mean, And I think, actually,
Speaker 1: if we watched it again now, And this is actually
Speaker 1: funny because Joel was over the other night and they
Speaker 1: were playing Mean Girls before Drag Race and it was
Speaker 1: the end of the movie and like they show like
Speaker 1: the young plastics and like the skirts they're wearing. It's
Speaker 1: so two thousand four. And also just called the choice
Speaker 1: of music obviously, like when Milkshake is playing, when the
Speaker 1: little girl is dancing, like that's so funny. But just
Speaker 1: like it is starting to get to that point where
Speaker 1: you're like you watch it and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this movie is so two thousand four, to the point
Speaker 1: where like, so there's like the way that Rachel McAdams
Speaker 1: is dressed as Regina George the whole movie, and then
Speaker 1: when she's nice at the end spoiler alert, and she's
Speaker 1: ever and she's like a lit crosse player. There's a
Speaker 1: point where she is walking uh in front of Katie
Speaker 1: and then they waved to each other and there there's
Speaker 1: like a sign of respect like that they've moved on,
Speaker 1: and the way that she's dressed, you could tell at
Speaker 1: the time they were like, you know, she should be
Speaker 1: dressed sort of like more neutral in this scene, and
Speaker 1: like she's not wearing quote unquote cool clothes. And I
Speaker 1: turned to Joel and I was like, she looks way
Speaker 1: more chic there than she is in the whole rest
Speaker 1: of the movie. And then I realized like they were
Speaker 1: just trying to put her in like shitty, boring clothes
Speaker 1: like at the end of the movies, to show that
Speaker 1: she was no longer like this queen bitch of the school.
Speaker 1: But it's just it just kind of says, like the way,
Speaker 1: like the kind of fashion now, like what's in vogue
Speaker 1: right now, I think is just more neutral. So so
Speaker 1: it's kind of in a way, it's just it just
Speaker 1: kind of said, like that's the way that fashionist progressed,
Speaker 1: Like it's a little bit less pastelish, you know, than
Speaker 1: it was then. Was how would you categorize the style
Speaker 1: of that time? It was like talking about mid auts,
Speaker 1: mid aunts. It was like I'm just gonna name retailers, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Hollister, like Abercrombie and American eagle. It was
Speaker 1: like that. It was like graphic tease, bright colors. I
Speaker 1: mean remember that. Remember how like flip flops were like
Speaker 1: a moment. Do you used to wear jeans and flip flops.
Speaker 1: You could find me in jeans and flip flops at
Speaker 1: all times, even freshman year of college, like walking girl
Speaker 1: walking down fourteen Street in jeans and flip flops, thinking
Speaker 1: and a v nick and thinking, I look so good.
Speaker 1: I look like I just walked out of the gap.
Speaker 1: Aspirational at the time, like truly wild. Well, I told
Speaker 1: I've told you the story of UM when I had
Speaker 1: my first like my r A sat us down on
Speaker 1: the floor of of like so we kind of like
Speaker 1: the very first floor meeting or freshman year and we
Speaker 1: all have to go around and like say our name
Speaker 1: and like what we were trying to major in or whatever.
Speaker 1: And when we were from I got up and was
Speaker 1: doing like my mask drag thing. I had like my
Speaker 1: spiky hair, I had my American hugo polo jeans and
Speaker 1: flip flops. Probably everyone laughed at me, and it was
Speaker 1: just it was well because I was dressed that way
Speaker 1: and it was n y U. So everyone there was
Speaker 1: like for some reason, I ended up on the floor
Speaker 1: where everyone was just like had their style figured out,
Speaker 1: I guess, or like, could I remember people from that
Speaker 1: floor from freshman year. I was so taken aback because
Speaker 1: at the time, like the way I was dressed was
Speaker 1: the cool way to be dressed. Now looking back, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was the cool way to be dressed on Long
Speaker 1: Island from where I was from. And then I guess
Speaker 1: everyone else on that floor like had themselves figured out
Speaker 1: a little bit more or got the memo I guess
Speaker 1: six months earlier that you needed to stop dressing like this,
Speaker 1: like in New York in college, like I was looking
Speaker 1: very high school, and maybe a lot of it had
Speaker 1: not even I was obviously gay, dropping my voice like
Speaker 1: but laugh They laughed at me, and I was just
Speaker 1: like whoa like And that's when I realized I would
Speaker 1: have to re establish an identity again. And then then
Speaker 1: the tug of war inside me that was, like do
Speaker 1: I just come out now or like try to establish
Speaker 1: myself as a straight guy again, which I know is
Speaker 1: so hard, but it's not even like the cool New
Speaker 1: York way to dress In two thousand and eight, as
Speaker 1: an eighteen or nineteen year old was even that much
Speaker 1: more sophisticated than what Long Island cool was, which is
Speaker 1: too like the difference is American Eagle Hollister. But then
Speaker 1: like if you're you're much cooler if you actually went
Speaker 1: to Forever twenty one and Diesel and like you and
Speaker 1: even now that's like laughable, It's like it never I
Speaker 1: don't know, no one, No one's like unless you're just
Speaker 1: dressing and like all black everything, you're always going to
Speaker 1: be like ridiculed in retrospect for what you wore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, And I think I think also like
Speaker 1: the awareness of that being true caused me to dress
Speaker 1: boring well. And I look back and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: used to wear just like a lot of black or
Speaker 1: just like whatever color I knew worked for me, like
Speaker 1: a lot of blue. Um, like the amount of blue
Speaker 1: ship I'm wearing blue right now, like and also my
Speaker 1: whole like aesthetic and this blue blue, blue blue blue,
Speaker 1: I do blue group. And I think it's just because
Speaker 1: of fear, like like like like like um, when I
Speaker 1: developed in terms of how I dressed myself. And we've
Speaker 1: actually had this conversation I believe with Max Witter on
Speaker 1: his episode we talked a lot about like style and
Speaker 1: how um, how that you know is is influenced by
Speaker 1: the culture around you and how you want to be perceived, obviously,
Speaker 1: But it's so funny because I look back on like
Speaker 1: my late teens in early twenties, and I did dress
Speaker 1: in a lot of like bass and a lot of
Speaker 1: like you know, inoffensive colors and patterns. And now that
Speaker 1: I guess I care a little bit less or know
Speaker 1: myself a little bit more, I do dress in more colors.
Speaker 1: And that's so funny because I just got a new
Speaker 1: card after my accident and it is bright red and
Speaker 1: Joel saw and he was like, this is ostentatious. He's like,
Speaker 1: this is not you. And I was like, well, you
Speaker 1: don't know me at all then, mm hmm, girl Hanset,
Speaker 1: is that also a moving from New York to l
Speaker 1: A saying interesting? I don't maybe I think so. I
Speaker 1: think I honestly think it has more to do with
Speaker 1: just with me being like, no, I'm actually comfortable expressing
Speaker 1: myself the way I want to. Yeah, you have a
Speaker 1: very cool sense of style, though you always know the
Speaker 1: cool things, that's not necessarily true. I know what works
Speaker 1: for me and it's not even too far elevated above
Speaker 1: like basics, and like god, I mean there was a time,
Speaker 1: there really was a time when like it was cool,
Speaker 1: at least in my like in my understanding, to my understanding,
Speaker 1: it was cool to wear American apparel. Everything like that
Speaker 1: was like a look, yeah, in our early twenties, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. And now now it's like a little bit
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're kind of going back to that.
Speaker 1: There's the entire world and there's l a apparel. There's
Speaker 1: like already like a harketing back to that, which is
Speaker 1: is interesting. And now I'm just like, oh, I I'm
Speaker 1: reading a lot of like Japanese fashion magazines where like
Speaker 1: the style is called like city boy, and it's just
Speaker 1: like you wear a baggy hoodie and like a flannel
Speaker 1: over it and like sweatpants and that's the look. And
Speaker 1: like but that even even that's gonna like I know,
Speaker 1: we're saying such obvious things about like how style changes
Speaker 1: over time, but even but which is But I just
Speaker 1: want to say that, like I don't think I will
Speaker 1: ever be ahead of the curve in anyway. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's like part of like my ethos. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to just like clock the trends as they happen and
Speaker 1: be like, let me try it on and then that's it.
Speaker 1: I here's what I'll say. Here's my assessment of you.
Speaker 1: I don't think you are ahead of the curve. I think, however,
Speaker 1: you were always right on the pulse, like you always know.
Speaker 1: Like if I ever mentioned a designer, I can kind
Speaker 1: of tell from the way that you react whether or
Speaker 1: not it's cool or not say a designer. Now, Like
Speaker 1: for example, when I said I'm just gonna go I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say this, when I said Tom Brown, you
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, maybe last year. I did not say that.
Speaker 1: I did not say that Tom Brown is great. Bowen,
Speaker 1: you did not say Tom Brown. I did not say
Speaker 1: that Tom Brown was last You're scared that that face.
Speaker 1: You're scared now that Tom Brown isn't gonna want to
Speaker 1: dress you down. No, Tom Brown will never dress me down.
Speaker 1: It's it's that's not what it is. And if I
Speaker 1: take a ship next to the bathroom and next to
Speaker 1: Tom Brown in the bathroom, it'll be like, oh, hi,
Speaker 1: I don't know your your response to what I was
Speaker 1: shopping and I was I I think I sent you
Speaker 1: a picture. I was like, I was like, I mentioned
Speaker 1: Tom Brown and you were like, no, I did not
Speaker 1: do that. You are lying gas lighter, big timer bow
Speaker 1: And how would I make this up? Oh my god, no, both,
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you did on my boat, gas lighter.
Speaker 1: You're gas lighting me. Here's what I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: because you're talking a lot about sweats and things. What
Speaker 1: is your what is your relationship to what I believe
Speaker 1: is the clothing movement of the moment and the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, which is ath leisure. What is your
Speaker 1: relationship to ATHLEA Sure, I don't have too much of it.
Speaker 1: I have my sweat I have to sweatpants that I
Speaker 1: love that I will wear outside of the house maybe
Speaker 1: once a week, and that's about it. That's it. I'm
Speaker 1: becoming more comfortable with it. I never was a kind
Speaker 1: of person because I just But but I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: once I brought, once I bought my Brooks Marks track suit.
Speaker 1: You are wearing the Brooks Marks track suit. It is
Speaker 1: so comfy and it's holding up. The only thing about
Speaker 1: it is I'm not entirely sure how you how you
Speaker 1: go about washing it? Because there's that lining that I
Speaker 1: think is going to be problematic and washing it. But
Speaker 1: I love it so much. By the way, by the way,
Speaker 1: the second part of the reunion, Oh my god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we haven't talked about Salt Lake fireworks. Lisa,
Speaker 1: what can you give a take? What is your take?
Speaker 1: What is your temperature? It's been a while since I
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been it's been like almost a week.
Speaker 1: It's been five days right since it aired. Mary is
Speaker 1: truly despicable. Oh, we have to do this. We resend
Speaker 1: the second day of Culture. Miriam Cosby hits the world stage,
Speaker 1: we re send it. I mean, she's certainly hit the
Speaker 1: world stage. We can't deny that it happened, but we
Speaker 1: sort of propped her up as the icon of housewives,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I can stand by this
Speaker 1: abject colorism. It was bad when she couldn't stop flapping
Speaker 1: her trap, when she, unprompted, offered that she prefers light
Speaker 1: skinned men. She sort of just couldn't stop her mouth
Speaker 1: and basically said she prefers light skinned men, and no
Speaker 1: one had asked that, No one had asked that, And
Speaker 1: then she ended it with, you know, all black people
Speaker 1: are beautiful. All black people are and I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of me. It's like, Mary, you got us. That's the
Speaker 1: thing is she had an out like because they were
Speaker 1: talking about when she allegedly said because Jen accused Mary
Speaker 1: of saying she doesn't like to go to convenience stores
Speaker 1: like seven eleven because shady black guys hang out in
Speaker 1: front of them and she doesn't like going there because
Speaker 1: of that, and she said it had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with race, and Meredith said, I left the conversation thinking
Speaker 1: she doesn't like to go to convenience stories because of
Speaker 1: shady people hanging out in front of them. It didn't
Speaker 1: have to do with race. I didn't think she made it.
Speaker 1: Are really gave her an exit and it was there,
Speaker 1: it was. And then literally she literally goes but I
Speaker 1: do prefer light skin man, and I'm only laughing because
Speaker 1: it's so shocking, so awful. Couldn't believe it. And then
Speaker 1: when he was like, are you in love with your husband?
Speaker 1: I think I am. But when she goes on about
Speaker 1: her marriage, that was also and then she eventually starts
Speaker 1: to break down and cry and everyone's like, oh Mary,
Speaker 1: it's okay. I did not follow the thread there because
Speaker 1: she was like, um, I'm not, because she basically started
Speaker 1: out saying, I'm not in love with my husband. It's
Speaker 1: not she said, it's impossible to stay happy for that long.
Speaker 1: It's impossible to stay happy for that long. But then
Speaker 1: she goes on about she kind of like bounces around
Speaker 1: all over the place, and then she goes is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy, I'm happy. But it's like, wait, what are
Speaker 1: you and what is it? Are you unhappy? Are you happy?
Speaker 1: Is it impossible to be happy in that marriage, in
Speaker 1: the marriage for that longer? She needs to be on
Speaker 1: someone's couch is what needs to happen. She Okay, So
Speaker 1: I watched this girl, v Brook Ashley, who does my
Speaker 1: favorite recaps, and she has a line that I will
Speaker 1: say here I must. She says she is crazier than
Speaker 1: a soup sandwich, and she is crazier than a soup sandwich.
Speaker 1: She needs to be sitting down on a couch figuring
Speaker 1: out what is really going on, because I don't believe
Speaker 1: she's in love with her husband. I believe she because
Speaker 1: then she revealed that it was not in her grandmother's
Speaker 1: will that she marries him, which if I love that.
Speaker 1: We all were just kind of saying that without unpacking that,
Speaker 1: which is, even if it was in her will that
Speaker 1: it was her wish that her grand her husband marry
Speaker 1: her granddaughter, you can't force anyone to do that, Like,
Speaker 1: just because someone puts it in their will does not
Speaker 1: mean that that must happen. Like you can't be forced
Speaker 1: to marry someone because a fan member of yours put
Speaker 1: that in her will, like it can she can say
Speaker 1: that this is her wish, but you can't force anyone
Speaker 1: to do that. So Mary had to have autonomy in
Speaker 1: doing this. And it seems like from what she said
Speaker 1: about how basically the marriage is worth it because she
Speaker 1: gets Chanel bought for her, that a lot of this
Speaker 1: is about money. A lot of it's about money. It's
Speaker 1: like it almost stepped into like fiance territory for me,
Speaker 1: where like some of these marriages are purely motivated by
Speaker 1: money or by acquiring things, and I'm just like, this
Speaker 1: is just people are people are people? Like money like
Speaker 1: really breaks people, and it's and it's and it's just
Speaker 1: it's just sad. And then it did line up with
Speaker 1: that video that had that audio that had leaked off
Speaker 1: her yelling at her church because they weren't giving her
Speaker 1: enough money. Like, I was like, this is someone who
Speaker 1: is number one priority is things and her bedroom is
Speaker 1: a fucking nightmare of clothes's it's wild, and so I think,
Speaker 1: like my takeaway from the whole thing is, oh, this
Speaker 1: is someone who is not willing to be honest about
Speaker 1: the fact that she's motivated by Greece and that her
Speaker 1: aunt lives in a smaller house than her, and she
Speaker 1: comes to clean up the house even though her aunt
Speaker 1: is like more is like technically closer to would be
Speaker 1: closer to inheriting the Mega church or whatever. I just
Speaker 1: this is a mess. There's this there's such a darkness
Speaker 1: to Salt Lake City. Even though even though I think
Speaker 1: it was a fantastic first season, there was a great
Speaker 1: New Yorker piece about what makes what made this first
Speaker 1: season so good? Um, but I a lot of religious
Speaker 1: stuff is so so, so, so hard. I think that's
Speaker 1: what makes it really interesting. And I think it's actually
Speaker 1: really interesting when you look at it through the lens
Speaker 1: of Heather too, because I want to talk about let's
Speaker 1: talk about Heather. Heather, the way that she was expertly
Speaker 1: dragging Lisa and like reading down everyone, I was like,
Speaker 1: I had to be like I don't think that you
Speaker 1: are this innocent woman that you have been pretending to be.
Speaker 1: So I think that her and Whitney a little bit
Speaker 1: have been putting on this whole we're oppressed by our
Speaker 1: community and society and religion narrative and boo who Jen
Speaker 1: would rather be friends with Meredith and Lisa than us.
Speaker 1: I think they have perpetuated a little bit of a
Speaker 1: victim narrative for themselves that didn't check out with me
Speaker 1: on this reunion because all of a sudden, they felt
Speaker 1: powerful because they saw the show and they realized that
Speaker 1: they were edited really most favorably, and they were most
Speaker 1: by the viewers, and they came in really feeling their
Speaker 1: oats in this reunion to the point where I feel
Speaker 1: that especially Heather was being cruel to Lisa. And I'm
Speaker 1: not like, I don't think that Lisa is not a snob,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that she deserves the dragging that
Speaker 1: Heather was giving her, and that I think Heather takes
Speaker 1: glee in when it comes from the viewers as well,
Speaker 1: because I understood where she was coming from and when
Speaker 1: they took that lunch break and they thought the cameras
Speaker 1: went down all I'm saying is Heather was kind of
Speaker 1: a Yeah, Heather was she She turned to Lisa and said,
Speaker 1: you're in last place and Lisa said what does that mean?
Speaker 1: And she was like she was like whatever, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: And Lisa was like what does that mean? And She's like,
Speaker 1: you've been a bad friend to Meredith. And Lisa said,
Speaker 1: why do you have to attack my one friend on
Speaker 1: the show? Why do you have to tack my ally? Like,
Speaker 1: why do you have to tack my friendship? Like you
Speaker 1: won't be happy until everyone hates me? And honestly, I
Speaker 1: think she's right. I think Heather is out to destroy Lisa,
Speaker 1: and I don't think she needs to play it that hard.
Speaker 1: I really don't, because that's not why we like Heather.
Speaker 1: Not why we like Heather. But even though Lisa when
Speaker 1: they roll the clips back, Lisa was kind of a
Speaker 1: terror to Heather and Whitney like that that ski, that
Speaker 1: ski like meal that they had afterwards, I don't know, Lisa.
Speaker 1: It's it's a very it's a very complicated dynamic. I
Speaker 1: don't have much to add in terms of let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question, Yeah, do you believe that Lisa
Speaker 1: new Heather before two thousand seventeen when she says they met.
Speaker 1: Do you believe Heather that they've known each other for
Speaker 1: twenty years or do you believe Lisa that maybe they
Speaker 1: were in the same abstract circle but Lisa only really
Speaker 1: met Heather and two that in seventeen that whatever that
Speaker 1: because because they didnt they show a screenshot of the
Speaker 1: text where they were like, yeah, so excited to meet
Speaker 1: you in person, excited to meet h Yeah. So basically
Speaker 1: then this all hinges on the big lie, which is
Speaker 1: the fact that Heather said Lisa doesn't see me, and
Speaker 1: I think this and and and is lying about knowing me,
Speaker 1: and they actually did not have the history that Heather
Speaker 1: had said. Because I think that Heather, you know, in
Speaker 1: coming out of the church, she just wants to be
Speaker 1: seen and she wants to she wants to demand, you know,
Speaker 1: respect because maybe she feels like she hasn't gotten it,
Speaker 1: which I understand. I just feel that if that's anger
Speaker 1: and emotion that she has, I think it might be
Speaker 1: a little misplaced towards Lisa, like because I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel that it's probably true that Heather
Speaker 1: has felt disrespected and undervalued throughout her whole life, and
Speaker 1: so she's really coming hard now in her power and
Speaker 1: demanding that people like let her take up space and
Speaker 1: understand that she is a formidable person. I just think
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to try to kill Lisa socially, because
Speaker 1: right I watched him. I don't want Jersey, but I
Speaker 1: watched the premiere. Same, did you watch it? I have
Speaker 1: the same thing. I don't want Jersey, but I watched
Speaker 1: the premiere. Well, Heidi, Heidi Gardner told me. She was like,
Speaker 1: you have to watch Jersey. I was like, okay, but
Speaker 1: I haven't watched and like truly like since like prostitution whore,
Speaker 1: Like will it be good? And she was like no, mean,
Speaker 1: I'm same. I haven't watched it in like almost a decade,
Speaker 1: but you should watch it. And I was like great.
Speaker 1: And then um, the ending, the fight between Jackie and Teresa,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeow it was. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a similar thing where Jackie's like, I have the life
Speaker 1: that you want. I win and I was like holy shit.
Speaker 1: And then Teresa of course is like calling her the
Speaker 1: sea where it And It's like, oh, this is all
Speaker 1: just so she really was using the sea word, wasn't she?
Speaker 1: It was I mean the episode was called the Next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and but like but just her the beliefs of bee
Speaker 1: beep beep, but then just reading her lips just kind
Speaker 1: of saying the sea word was truly like it was
Speaker 1: kind of darring for me to as a viewer to
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, she's really calling her that. Well,
Speaker 1: Teresa is a jarring figure. Teresa there. I haven't watched Jersey,
Speaker 1: but it feels like there's gonna be a puge blot
Speaker 1: between Joe Gorga and Theresa this season. That will be
Speaker 1: very fascinating to see, if because for them to be
Speaker 1: siblings and have maybe a lot of stuff like buried
Speaker 1: not buried, but just like they seem to beginning along.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Well, the reason I haven't been
Speaker 1: been able to ever watch Jersey is because the reminder
Speaker 1: it feels too real to me. I know people like this,
Speaker 1: like from Long Island. It's just I heard you youhow
Speaker 1: in the episode I was like this, these are people
Speaker 1: that Matt knows oh time, big time, like, and so
Speaker 1: it's always hard because for me, even if it's not
Speaker 1: it's and it's not explicit always, but there is like
Speaker 1: there's a layer of homophobia that's running that I just
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable with, Like you know, like I can even
Speaker 1: if they're not saying it, I can hear all these
Speaker 1: people saying the word faggot. Well. I feel like in
Speaker 1: when Teresa was like spreading the rumor about what's his
Speaker 1: face like cheating on Jackie at the gym, is she
Speaker 1: is she implying that it's dude because it's at the
Speaker 1: gym and it's like steam room action or what. Because
Speaker 1: I'm just like, there's there's there's something missing here that
Speaker 1: they're either editing out or Teresa's like too afraid to say.
Speaker 1: As the cameras are rolling that, I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like what is this weird hidden frequency? And then um
Speaker 1: just just thought it was just so dark and deeply funny,
Speaker 1: but also like that this is many people in this
Speaker 1: country and around the world where she was like I
Speaker 1: didn't spread a rumor I heard oh please, we were laughing,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we were laughing so hard at that
Speaker 1: because it's so doesn't make any sense. And I guess
Speaker 1: like that is what makes a good housewife, like a
Speaker 1: true agent of chaos. Like we're but that doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: and like so it's just so funny because what ends
Speaker 1: up being the conflicts. It's like there's something that happens,
Speaker 1: then people react to it, and based on the abstract
Speaker 1: way people react, that's what then causes the conflict. So like,
Speaker 1: what won't end up being the conflict is this thing
Speaker 1: of was there cheating happening? I think it'll be the
Speaker 1: line I have the life that you want? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? That's that when exactly that's what I
Speaker 1: like about Housewives. It's like it's like like like the
Speaker 1: other night, like someone said to me, like, um, I
Speaker 1: had a bloody mary that was the best I ever had,
Speaker 1: And I said, what, It's better than the one that
Speaker 1: I made for you on vacation and he was and
Speaker 1: my friend was like. My friend was like, well it
Speaker 1: wasn't restaurant quality. So then I said, if this was Housewives,
Speaker 1: a whole season would be me being piste that you
Speaker 1: said my bloody Mary's were not restaurant quality. And it's
Speaker 1: that specificity and that's stupid conflict that I love. And
Speaker 1: so you need someone like Theresa to come in and
Speaker 1: have like the only she would say I didn't spread
Speaker 1: a rumor. I for that spinoff in this like insane
Speaker 1: direction about whether spreading a rumor is the same as
Speaker 1: her her hearing a rumor, which is nothing. But I
Speaker 1: love watching a full unfurling of a conflict based on
Speaker 1: that stupidity. Well, this, this, this is maybe why like
Speaker 1: Miriam Cosby is bumping me because like it's it's gone
Speaker 1: too far, Like because at first we all went crazy
Speaker 1: over her. We loved her because it was like you
Speaker 1: smell likes you smell like hospital is the exactly what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yeah, it spins out into this whole conflict,
Speaker 1: but but Mary, it's like, oh, you're you're not making
Speaker 1: sense at the time at this point, and it's actually
Speaker 1: really dark the ways you don't make sense and the
Speaker 1: ways that you contradict yourself and the ways that you will,
Speaker 1: I don't know, tell on yourself in these in these
Speaker 1: situations where you say I prefer light skin guys unprompted that,
Speaker 1: it's like this is actually not fun anymore. And the
Speaker 1: whole Pentecostal thing is like really for me, I'm speaking
Speaker 1: for myself panically, just being Pentecostals is kind of really
Speaker 1: really scared to me because it is this thing where
Speaker 1: like it is linking emotion sational experiences, or it's saying
Speaker 1: that emotional experiences are religious experiences no matter what. Which
Speaker 1: is so dangerous that anytime you feel any emotions strongly
Speaker 1: that that is God, that that is like really, that
Speaker 1: that is like not something that is independent of right
Speaker 1: an institution is like really really really terrifying to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and did you see what Andy was like, Well,
Speaker 1: have there been rumors that your church as a cult?
Speaker 1: Mary just goes, yeah, oh my god, you did a
Speaker 1: great Mary. It was just it was just so so
Speaker 1: of course, absolutely there's been rumors that the church's a cult.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't there be? It's so and then and it isn't. Lisa,
Speaker 1: Who's just like, I mean, there are rumors that Mormon,
Speaker 1: that Mormonism is a cult. Not cut. We have to
Speaker 1: shout out Vanessa Bear for doing my God, Vanessa's impression
Speaker 1: of Lisa and watch What Happens Live and Whitney and Whitney.
Speaker 1: But it was the Lisa that was that was telling
Speaker 1: me this is so good. Here's a question for you.
Speaker 1: And I've really thought about this. So if you, if
Speaker 1: you and I are in a situation where we're sitting
Speaker 1: at a reunion type thing and everyone's going in on
Speaker 1: you say you're Lisa, and I'm Thereith, You're I'm your
Speaker 1: best friend, and I'm sitting there like the way Meredith was.
Speaker 1: Meredith was not coming about for Lisa. Would you be
Speaker 1: upset with me? I would be like, you're not. I'd
Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck? Yeah, I wouldn't be upset
Speaker 1: with I would be it would be an off camera
Speaker 1: thing where I'd be like, you're really passive right now,
Speaker 1: when people are truly tearing me to shreds. I would
Speaker 1: be mad. I would be really mad because I know
Speaker 1: for a fact that if everyone was getting up on you,
Speaker 1: I would be like no. And that makes me feel
Speaker 1: like maybe Lisa has a different view of their friendship
Speaker 1: then Meredith does, or Meredith just truly an engaging I
Speaker 1: think there's a darkness to Meredith as well. I think
Speaker 1: Meredith is darker than Lisa tbh, not as dark as
Speaker 1: Heather at this point, because Heather is really trying to
Speaker 1: like manipulate in ways that are alarming. But Lisa is
Speaker 1: like there's something and I'm sorry. Meredith is like there's
Speaker 1: something about Meredith. It's like Beyonce watching jay Z and
Speaker 1: Solange fight in the elevator and just standing there. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean she did say on an episode that she
Speaker 1: has a history of um observing violence and that it
Speaker 1: it really has caused her to disengage and that that's
Speaker 1: what works for her. So I bet, I bet she's
Speaker 1: been through I wouldn't be surprised if she's been through
Speaker 1: like some sort of like therapy that has told her
Speaker 1: like you never have to engage in anything that is
Speaker 1: bad for you, and that she is just going to
Speaker 1: sit on the sidelines about this. But the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is, like the show might not be for
Speaker 1: her then, because that's gonna I think it's funny now,
Speaker 1: Like the fact that she is the House five that disengages.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny now. But she can't be too
Speaker 1: sleepy for the whole thing, you know, and her not
Speaker 1: and and it's so funny because she really just had
Speaker 1: one moment in this episode and it was, let me
Speaker 1: make something extremely clear, my husband is off limits and
Speaker 1: if anyone talks about it, you're not my friend. And
Speaker 1: that's that. And she like really laid the hammer down
Speaker 1: and it was her one moment. And yeah, nothing other
Speaker 1: than that, nothing, And for Lisa to be like so
Speaker 1: the center of conflict and Meredith to not chime in
Speaker 1: really at all. I would have been pissed. And there
Speaker 1: it's only kind of the only tag away for Meredith
Speaker 1: this season is the only memory is I'm disengaging image
Speaker 1: and I'm no longer engaging. If you guys want to
Speaker 1: eating the conversation man Soft, you have to read this
Speaker 1: New Yorker piece about it. Starts off saying how Brooks
Speaker 1: Marks is Like I did read it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was great. I thought that was a really good observation.
Speaker 1: She was like, the audience turns on Brooks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way, but I
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh yeah. That was when I kind
Speaker 1: of wasn't as enamored with Brooks Marks as a reality
Speaker 1: character reality show character. Was when Brooks was like Jen
Speaker 1: was like showing her vagina all over the pist. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, but you, hm hmmm, like this is
Speaker 1: a little too this is this is this is reverting
Speaker 1: to like a different trope in reality television that is
Speaker 1: no longer relevant because you were like a very good
Speaker 1: student of the form up until that point. And here's
Speaker 1: my take on that. Because they talked about this in
Speaker 1: this episode of The Union too, Meredith was like it
Speaker 1: was inappropriate the way she was behaving her vagina was
Speaker 1: I don't think it was clear enough in that episode
Speaker 1: that it was such a thing was out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was clear enough that like she was
Speaker 1: actually being inappropriate in front of the kids, Like I
Speaker 1: think if it had been made a little bit And
Speaker 1: I think this might have been the producers and the
Speaker 1: editors maybe like wanting to see her away from a
Speaker 1: narrative of, um, a woman's like vagina was exposed, because
Speaker 1: that has been a thing on housewives, and I feel
Speaker 1: like they feel like it invades their privacy and I
Speaker 1: really don't need a narrative of like whose pussy was out?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like it, like they did it with
Speaker 1: Erica Jay in a couple of years ago on Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: and you could tell that it like really bothered her,
Speaker 1: that it was a topic of conversation. But I think
Speaker 1: that that because that's true that they've kind of learned
Speaker 1: from this and the editors didn't want to make it
Speaker 1: as much of a thing. But I think ultimately, like
Speaker 1: the issue was it was a thing, and Brooks was
Speaker 1: responding to it, and so that's why I think it
Speaker 1: seemed like Brooks was making this issue in order to
Speaker 1: like stir the pot, when in reality, he was reacting
Speaker 1: to the fact that it happened, which Meredith confirmed on
Speaker 1: the reunion. She was like, yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 1: Uh Meredith, Maybe I am a Meredith. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you enough. You really are. And it was so funny
Speaker 1: to me. Everyone, Oh my god, readers. It was so
Speaker 1: funny because Bowen goes, I'm a gen, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you have way too much respect for silverware, glassware to
Speaker 1: ever throw it at a party. I wasn't proudly saying
Speaker 1: I'm a gen. I said I might be a gen. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you were the least gener explained to me how you're
Speaker 1: a gen that I when I get angry, I get angry.
Speaker 1: That's not even true. That's not even true. I'm exploring
Speaker 1: anger in therapy right now. It's very very interesting. That's
Speaker 1: so interesting. What a window in this is therapy? Okay,
Speaker 1: I think it's time. Yeah, I was gonna say it
Speaker 1: feels time to do. I don't think so, honey, Which
Speaker 1: is I forget? It's some our one minute segment in
Speaker 1: which we go off on something in culture, right. I
Speaker 1: saw I don't think so honey written down and I
Speaker 1: was like, what is that? Okay, so I have something,
Speaker 1: you have something? Okay, this is Mount Rodders. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Monica rambo erased, okay, because the only thing
Speaker 1: that people are talking about on Twitter is I goth
Speaker 1: all all along, which I understand, but also, you know
Speaker 1: what else is happening all along? We're getting the origin
Speaker 1: story of Photon, Honey or Spectrum it is unclear. But
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is, we got this black woman who
Speaker 1: gets this unbelievable scene where she gets her powers in
Speaker 1: the sort of hex thing. And it was an unbelievable scene.
Speaker 1: It was an artful studies. I found it to be emotional,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was well performed, and I thought
Speaker 1: Tiana Paris came to life like when she got her powers.
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is, this is the origin story
Speaker 1: of one of the probably most important characters in the
Speaker 1: m C. You going forward and you go on Twitter
Speaker 1: and it was Agatha all along and it was Catherine
Speaker 1: Han And all I'm saying is examine it because we
Speaker 1: are getting the origin story of the most important female superhero.
Speaker 1: And all over you were like, Agatha, Agatha, Agatha, no Monica,
Speaker 1: and that's one minute, no Monica, and I you know,
Speaker 1: we stand, we stand Katherine Han and we stand Agatha.
Speaker 1: All we stand the reveal. But all I'm saying is
Speaker 1: there was another thing that happened in the episode that
Speaker 1: was iconic and it was not being talked about, and
Speaker 1: it was that Monica Rambo finally got her powers. And
Speaker 1: if you follow the comics, you understand that this is
Speaker 1: a big, big, big, big big deal because she goes
Speaker 1: on to like lead the Avengers. In the comics. She
Speaker 1: can she can see electromagnity, tisma, she can she can
Speaker 1: look at the waves, and you know that she's like
Speaker 1: got blue eyes. But I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: what is it? And then I was reading about it.
Speaker 1: Apparently in the comics she can turn herself into energy. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: which I don't know how that works, but excited to
Speaker 1: find out to me too, girl, all right, and this
Speaker 1: is this feels like Bohen's ready. Oh I just got
Speaker 1: an email from the Tellershift official store. Was you order
Speaker 1: my evermore hoodie? Is coming. Oh my god, we are
Speaker 1: getting a lot of messing. I think people need to
Speaker 1: do an ever more episode soon. Everyone is still on
Speaker 1: the evermore thing where they're like, we need like someone
Speaker 1: at works, like my friend was listening. My friend told
Speaker 1: me that you guys still need to do an ever
Speaker 1: more episode. I go, well, say it. Just because you
Speaker 1: say we need to do it does not mean we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Okay, And this goes for guests as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for your ideas. We are not customer service.
Speaker 1: Some people are really banging the drum about us having
Speaker 1: certain people on it. It's like it actually most of
Speaker 1: the time, I'm like, don't, don't let to provide for you.
Speaker 1: How about this next week we have Rose DomU on. Okay, gross,
Speaker 1: so excited to talk about talk about a one division
Speaker 1: and Taylor Stam. Maybe you'll getting maybe you'll get some
Speaker 1: We will be talking about everymore with we'll talk we'll
Speaker 1: talk about ever remember with Rose, but Rose truly, like always,
Speaker 1: I think she has a north star and in the culture,
Speaker 1: I think whatever Rose thinks he goes, maybe that's she
Speaker 1: is taste. You'll find out, you'll you'll find out. And
Speaker 1: we recommend everyone look up her interviews with Timmy shallow
Speaker 1: May she brings up she She asks him if he
Speaker 1: likes moon Struck, and he says, I love Moonstruck. She
Speaker 1: has great interviews with Samahayak, with Amy Poehler and my Rudolph.
Speaker 1: She she's she has had some great, great, great interviews
Speaker 1: with some some folks, and we're going to talk with
Speaker 1: her about that next week next week. But before we
Speaker 1: get to next week, bohen Yang hasses out, don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: do you have something prepared? I have something prepared. Love
Speaker 1: to hear it this, so honey, and his time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Crime Seeing the Vanishing to
Speaker 1: see So Hotel that Sees the Hotel documentary it is
Speaker 1: pure drivel trash the way that it barely spends any
Speaker 1: time actually focusing on the death of Elisa Lamb, so upsetting,
Speaker 1: so unfortunate, and yet the documentary spends so much time
Speaker 1: on like the conspiracy, on like on like the voyeurism
Speaker 1: of true crime, and how it sort of has ballooned
Speaker 1: out of control, and and like how it has how
Speaker 1: it tainted the whole investigation of Elisa Lamb. So that
Speaker 1: it sort of removes all the humanity from like this
Speaker 1: poor person who unfortunately passed away on the property. Like
Speaker 1: it goes into the sifting, terrible shallow analysis of like
Speaker 1: what skid row is and what it meant for, like
Speaker 1: what it could have possibly meant for the death that
Speaker 1: you might have gotten drugs from skin Row. It's it
Speaker 1: was truly such like pulpy bullshit, And it was so
Speaker 1: like the humanizing it was so disappointing, and I think,
Speaker 1: like we're hitting some like critical mass with true crime stuff. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's my minutes. That's one minute. So basically you're saying
Speaker 1: that it was true crime about true crime. It was
Speaker 1: true crime where there was a layer where it was
Speaker 1: just so you would have It was very watchable, I'll say,
Speaker 1: but so much of it was like the sensationalism of
Speaker 1: every way. It was just sensationalizing the death itself by
Speaker 1: being like, and here all the crazy things that have
Speaker 1: happened at this Theson hotel, all these serial killers and
Speaker 1: suicides and all this stuff, and skid Row is a thing,
Speaker 1: and she this girl might have gotten drugs from skid
Speaker 1: Row and then had a like a bipolar episode. It
Speaker 1: was just like there was a way to present this
Speaker 1: story without going into and then it top and then
Speaker 1: like there's some valuable stuff about Yes, the voyeur is
Speaker 1: stick aspect of true crime, where like all of these
Speaker 1: web slutes were trying to solve the case as the
Speaker 1: investigation was happening, as the autopsy report was being put together,
Speaker 1: but then like it ruins this one person's life, but
Speaker 1: like I don't think we needed to see that, and
Speaker 1: it's it's all like I don't know if any of
Speaker 1: it's useful, and I think we're hitting we're hitting up.
Speaker 1: It's like we're we're reverting back to like datelineing, like
Speaker 1: maybe it's always been this way and I've just checked out,
Speaker 1: but like it feels like a really weird anachronistic era
Speaker 1: of like covering grizzly deaths like this, where it's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's actually just like, yeah, try to
Speaker 1: present the facts and not have it be embellished in
Speaker 1: like all this other nonsense. Yeah. I think that any
Speaker 1: time they figure out something is working, like uh, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a mass and out of it. And with
Speaker 1: true crime that's actually kind of interesting and maybe harmful
Speaker 1: because it is removing the humanity once it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this thing works commercially, and now here's all of it.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think because it's got I
Speaker 1: got a lot of bad reviews and people are like
Speaker 1: this was so poorly handled that I think now hopefully
Speaker 1: we're at a point where people are like the people
Speaker 1: who make these shows are like, this is not working anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just anyway. I was talking about
Speaker 1: with Greta and she was like, it's so bad, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's just like true trash. Did
Speaker 1: you just watch I care a lot yet No, I
Speaker 1: hear it's I hear everyone's hating it. Well, like but
Speaker 1: people say, but people say Rosmond that she's good, but
Speaker 1: like that what it's about is like I don't know,
Speaker 1: but maybe we'll watch it and we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: next week, because I'm sure Rose has watched it. Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think we've like also turned
Speaker 1: the corner with Netflix where a lot of the program
Speaker 1: and Netflix is because there used to be a time
Speaker 1: when you would watch when a show would be in
Speaker 1: the conversation that was on Netflix, and you would go
Speaker 1: into it being like, well, it must be good. And
Speaker 1: now I don't think that's true anymore. I think now
Speaker 1: every people are watching Netflix shows because they are in
Speaker 1: the conversation, but it's not there's no and there's no
Speaker 1: assumption going in that it's going to be quality. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean now it's it's it's well, it's literally how
Speaker 1: they it's how they do it. Now, it's just we're
Speaker 1: gonna push this thing to the front and everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: watch it, and that's their way of sort of controlling
Speaker 1: what gets consumed. But it's like the Emily in Paris
Speaker 1: of it all, Emily and Paris is not good, but
Speaker 1: everyone watched it. Oh fucking I don't think it's only
Speaker 1: the h f p A because there's the whole thing
Speaker 1: that came out Emily in Paris, people like basically bribed them. Well,
Speaker 1: this has been happening since the beginning of time. Like,
Speaker 1: like the h f p A is a joke because
Speaker 1: it's an easy target because it's such a small body exactly,
Speaker 1: and they can and have been bought forever. Like, so
Speaker 1: it's just kind of funny to see everyone like coming
Speaker 1: around to this now, Like whenever the Golden Globe nominations
Speaker 1: come out and people are like this, Oh nub I'm like,
Speaker 1: you guys, that just means that they didn't play the game,
Speaker 1: like it's fine, Like it's so cool to be snubbed
Speaker 1: by the hfp A. Like it just means it means
Speaker 1: you're not like literally going for it, like in terms
Speaker 1: of like buying these awards, like they don't know her,
Speaker 1: Like there there's a reason why they're not in the egot,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're They're not an actual
Speaker 1: reputable awards body. I always feel like if someone I
Speaker 1: like went to Golden Globe, I'm like yeah, and if
Speaker 1: someone doesn't, it's it's fine, You're fine. Yeah, It's not
Speaker 1: like the Oscars are the Emmys, which are actual reputable
Speaker 1: awards bodies with a large voting base, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Whatever, Anyway, anyway, what an app truly freewheeling,
Speaker 1: we kind of there were There was many a winding turn,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, Matt, I would say that every day
Speaker 1: is a winding road, is a winding road, and with that,
Speaker 1: every day winding get a little bit closer, every day
Speaker 1: winding day get a little to hear that song listen
Speaker 1: to the end credits of the movie, say it I
Speaker 1: don't know Aaron Brockovich Charon brock Bits. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: do you work next time? Alright, bye h