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Speaker 1: it's become cultures. What happened? That's actually true? That's actually

427
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Speaker 1: very true. Well Adatha all Along? I mean, what what

428
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: what do we have to add? We just we think

429
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: it's that we think it's fantastic. I think it's fantastic.

430
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: And so basically like in watching the show from the beginning,

431
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: I knew there was something up with her, and I

432
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: sort of in reading about what what she might become,

433
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: like the agath haarkness of it all. I thought it

434
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: was really fun, but the way they rolled it out

435
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: I thought was so great, and I loved the song

436
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: at the end, and I just feel like, Oh, this

437
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: is why you cast Katherine Han, you know what I mean?

438
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: You cast her so that she has something big and

439
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: fun to do, and if she's going to be the

440
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: main antagonist, I think that rocks. And I think it's

441
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: actually really genius casting because Katherine Han is exactly at

442
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: that point where you can buy her being cast on

443
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: this show as the nosy neighbor and the comic relief,

444
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like Marvel is so huge

445
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: that even though Katherine Han is big to us because

446
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: we respect her, you know, work as a as an actress,

447
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: and we always enjoy her. You think, like to the

448
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: larger you know, consumption community, that's that's gonna maybe title

449
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: of app or something with fadder fadder fadder, Luke, I

450
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: am your you are, Luke you are my father? Might

451
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: be might be titled that there's so much going on

452
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: with um. But she I bought I would buy if

453
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: by the end she had just been the best friend

454
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: all along, because we've seen her be the best friend,

455
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: but then you realize, like, oh, no way, they know

456
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: what they're doing, they know what they've got here, and

457
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: her playing a witch too good to be true, too

458
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: good to be true, but it is This is a

459
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: weird comparison, but it's I feel like this person deserves

460
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: this kind of role in this kind of context. It

461
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: would be like if you cast like Judy Greer in

462
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: that role and you're like, exactly, oh, like this is

463
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: so and she could handle You're there's a model for

464
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: her being the best friend, but there's she also has

465
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: the ability as an actor to become the main antagonist,

466
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: and you'd be like so excited about it. I feel

467
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: like Catherine Haunting. I'm not comparing. I'm not like saying

468
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: they live in the same neighborhood in the industry, but

469
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: I think that like, there there are a few there's

470
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: only a small handful of actors who like are in

471
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: that pocket and and we love them for that. And

472
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: Catherine Hahn being in the m c U in this

473
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: way is very fun and like now like it actually

474
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: like I was reading on on on some stuff about

475
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: how this is actually introducing horror into the into the

476
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: m c U. Um Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness,

477
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: which is coming out I think later at the end

478
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: of the year or early next year. But that's like,

479
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean they're saying that, like that is going to

480
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: be the first I think Kevin fogg usaying that is

481
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna be the first technical Marvel horror movie is kind

482
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: of which kind of fun. But like this is introducing

483
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: like like dark hold like that tone. It's like this

484
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: is introducing all those elements um where you have you know,

485
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: like witchy, witchie spooky, which I think is so fun. Yeah.

486
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: So did you are you familiar with the character of

487
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: Agatha Harkness. I only offer like cursory like readings about

488
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: her that she's just she's wanted this like feature and

489
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: she yeah. Yeah. She essentially a gray area of villain

490
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: where in some comic series she is uh, full on

491
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: antagonist like bad like kills Wanda's kids and then um

492
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: in other ones, she is sort of a mentor figure

493
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: and was even the babysitter for the Fantastic Four for

494
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: a while. And it's that thing of like, especially in

495
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: superhero series, like it's common for villains to play um

496
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: on the good side and the bad side, and you

497
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: often see heroes be antagonists as well. I mean, they

498
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of dabbled in this with Captain America's Civil War

499
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: where the Avengers were fighting against each other. But there's

500
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: been so much talk about, um, whether or not this

501
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: is a villain origin story for reboot of the Scarlet Witch. UM.

502
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that they'll do that. I feel like

503
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: in the in this beginning of you know, I guess

504
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Phase four of Marvel, it's kind of better to start

505
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: it off on a more straightforward thing like the Scarlet

506
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: which we're seeing her become a quote unquote which and

507
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: she'll earn that Moniker, but she'll stay um good character

508
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: and stay in Avenger. And it feels like easier to

509
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: swallow that Agatha Harkness is now just a new villain figure,

510
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: whether or not that's just for one division or in

511
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: the larger m c u UM. But it's interesting that

512
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: they bring this character in because this character, just like Wanda,

513
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: has served a purpose of villain in the comics and

514
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, protagonist of the comics. So you still don't

515
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: really know where it's going. It could go either way.

516
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: I've also seen some theories that you know, Agatha is

517
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: not the main antagonist that she's calling someone else. That's

518
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: maybe that maybe is why this is all happening, so

519
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: that she can conjure a greater villain that will become

520
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: like the Thanos of this new part of Marvel, but

521
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: all very interesting and thrilled that Katherine hann is ushering

522
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: it in. I love that, I love I love that

523
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: my sister is getting into m c U. It's been

524
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: It's the first show in a long time that I

525
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: watched every episode like four times. The repeat viewings for

526
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: me is what's so surprising about you that you were

527
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: watching these episode that you're staying up till midnight on

528
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: Thursday nights to watch it and then you rewatch it.

529
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean this, I have not done this with the

530
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: show since I want to say, I'm so sorry to say,

531
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: like early season Grey's Anatomy, like, I have not done

532
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: this in over a decade. What is it about the

533
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: show that that that keeps you repeat watching? I was

534
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 1: thinking about this earlier. I was like, what exactly is

535
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: it that gets me to keep watching? I think, to me,

536
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's just purely fun to watch. But

537
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: B I also think there's a mystery element that I like,

538
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: and I think that something about myself that I'm rerealizing

539
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: is that I actually love a mystery, and I think

540
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: I might start reading some Maggotha Christie books to be

541
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: Honest Girl, Murder on the Lanes, Murder on the or Express.

542
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I think I would really enjoy it, um just because

543
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: to me, like I do love like Easter Egg culture

544
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: um looking through and being like, oh, that's that or

545
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: that needs that, Like, I just think there's like an

546
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: extra layer to the storytelling which I love. And I

547
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: think if I can trace it all the way back

548
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: really to the beginning of when I thought culture might

549
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: be for me, Lost was um something that's sort of

550
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: huge for me, And it's sort of pretended to be

551
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: this thing that if you watched to the end, everything's

552
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna make sense, and it obviously failed in doing that.

553
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: It was an enjoyable show episodes, episodes, sometimes season by season,

554
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: but ultimately it couldn't follow through on that. And I

555
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: think the reason why I'm loving one division so much

556
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: is that I feel like this could, potentially, when the

557
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: loop closes, all makes sense in a way that is

558
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: going to make me very excited. I feel like I've

559
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: actually this so many times before. You have not seen Watchman. Correct, No,

560
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: not yet, and I and I really want to. It's just,

561
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's just I don't like violence,

562
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: but and I it's it's it's fine. I have to

563
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: get over it. I will watch it next, I really will.

564
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I think that the the it's Damon Lindeloff again, who

565
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: is able to actually make it all makes sense and

566
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: have it fit within the canon of the graphic novel.

567
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: I think you would love you would really enjoy the

568
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: graphic novel, or at least like a summary of it,

569
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: and then you should go into Watchman thinking it's so

570
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: interesting how because it's like it's a world where it's

571
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: an alternate timeline of America, and it's a world it's

572
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: it takes place in the modern were not the modern

573
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: takes because so yeah, I'm modern, but still um a

574
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: world with no Internet. It's like, it's really like the

575
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: choices about the world are so so interesting and they're

576
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: so intentional, and it affects like it's so thoughtfully realized,

577
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: and the mystery element that like sustains itself throughout the

578
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: entire series season. It all comes together in a way

579
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: that is so satisfying and makes total sense. You will

580
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: fucking cream you love that. You know what? Now that

581
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed this so much, I really because and there's

582
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: nothing about it that I won't love. I think once

583
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I just settle into the tone, and there's there's there's

584
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: a gay sense, and there's race, and there's there's a

585
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: lot of fun stuff and fucking Gene and Jean Smart.

586
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: I know, and I do stan. The third episode is

587
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: is the Gene Smart centric episode, and it's my one

588
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes of television ever. And there's just,

589
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's just great, a great performance threat

590
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: of Jeans Smart and the whole thing, and it's like,

591
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, odd, yes, yes, yes, I got so

592
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: pumped watching that episode. I remember, and you know me,

593
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't really binge watch really, but watchman. I watched

594
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: the whole thing in like three days, just like Supine

595
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: on my couch watched every episode consecutively. Oh my god,

596
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: you have to watch. Get over the violence. There's not

597
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: that much of it. Just watch it. I'm also fun.

598
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 1: It's just you know what it is. It's just something

599
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: I realized about myself as I've become much more of

600
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: an anxious person as I'm getting older, Like I didn't

601
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: used to have any problem with this ship like and

602
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: then lately I'm just like it's sometimes I is this therapy.

603
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes I will not watch something because I know what's

604
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: going to upset me or make me feel an extreme

605
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: emotion in any way, and so I will sometimes watch

606
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: things or start to consume things like The Housewives, like

607
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: like survivor honestly like a lot of reality television that

608
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: I can just feel like I'm watching it and receiving

609
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 1: it and like I understand it, and so I'm able

610
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: to you know, laugh at it, not take it too

611
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: seriously because it's not going to stir me in a way.

612
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what it what that is, but especially

613
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: over the last year, I'm just not wading into waters

614
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: that are gonna make me feel a lot you are

615
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: because there's not much going on, and we're just like

616
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I was talking to something about this where it's it's

617
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: like they're like, I am trying to win off my

618
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: antidepressants because I am not. Because antidepressants make you, like

619
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: help you get through the day, but you don't really

620
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: need as in this person's case, they didn't need as

621
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: as many antidepressants because they just weren't doing that much

622
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: throughout the day to feel the need to be like

623
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: shepherded through the course of the day. Yeah, they weren't

624
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: having emotions that needed monitoring exactly, and so you are

625
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: probably like your baseline for like stimulus is going down,

626
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: and so you're like, I don't want to be like

627
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: shocked out of this like stasis that I'm in. Maybe

628
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: that's it, you know what. Maybe it has something to

629
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: do with the fact that and this is again me

630
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: just therapyzing myself, which is l O L not what

631
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: you do. But I'm gonna take a crack at it.

632
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a thing of like, because I know I'm

633
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: alone with my emotions, I don't want them to go

634
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: out of control. Does that make sense? Like I'd rather

635
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: every day feel sort of the same, then every day

636
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: feel like wild. Like you know what's funny? Like actually

637
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: messaged um Nick Laman and Jackson Ricken, who are friends.

638
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: I I messaged them because they put on their stories

639
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: that they were watching the finale of six ft Under

640
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: and the way they were sobbing. I was just like,

641
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I message Jackson and I was like,

642
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: I don't think I've cried like that. It's such a time,

643
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: and he was like, it's honestly an emotional exercise in

644
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: a release, and I was like, maybe I'll rewatch the

645
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: entire six ft under because it honestly looked fun to

646
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: cry that hard. I was like, wow, I haven't I

647
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: have not. Well, that's not true. I wept and wept

648
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: and wept when I when I want Jared and I

649
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: broke up. But um, that was like the last time

650
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: I can and only time I can feel I can

651
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: remember feeling that big of an emotional swing. Part of

652
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: me feels I left like those emotions behind when I

653
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: when I left New York. So we yeah, like that

654
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: you like that. There was a very emotional era for me,

655
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: like towards the end of me living in New York.

656
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: That really was when I felt like I could cry

657
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: it any day at any time, and I was really

658
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: feeling my Pisces moment. Now it's like, I don't think

659
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: I could make myself cry if I tried. I'm numb.

660
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Really interesting, But you are emotional girl, No, well, I

661
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: don't know if you're admitting the truth. Well, lately I've

662
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: been very emotional because my defenses are down because I'm exhausted. Um,

663
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: but I feel I also feel like I left like

664
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: an emotional era behind after Um I started this job

665
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: at ES now, so I feel like I've I've just

666
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: like really checked out overall, which is not good. I mean,

667
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: do you feel that's because like being emotional would waste time? Um? Yeah,

668
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: that like our sidetrack you or it would just be

669
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: it would just be like another expenditure and like I'm

670
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: already spending so much time on other things and why

671
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's exactly a waste of time.

672
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: I did fully sob to SUITI on the studio floor

673
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: last week for for boring reasons. But yeah, I'm not

674
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: I'm not doing well. Well. It's okay to not be

675
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: doing well. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine to not

676
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: doing And I also just want to say, I don't

677
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: think we were supposed to record the episode last night.

678
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: I think we I felt cosmically we were not supposed

679
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: to record last night. I felt cosmically you needed the

680
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: break and we needed to do a morning episode so

681
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: we can wake up. Did I did? I forced? I'm

682
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: sorry if I forced everyone to wake up. First of all,

683
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: literally you didn't force anyone to wake up like we're

684
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: recorded at ten am. It's not like I'm like, it's

685
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: not like I was in New York, where it's hard

686
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: for me to wake up at eleven am. Like in

687
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: l A, everyone's up a crack of dawn. When do

688
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: you wake up? What's your what's your normal wake up time?

689
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: This is gonna shock you, like I wake up naturally

690
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: at eight am, Oh my god, whereas I'm telling you

691
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: in New York, you outslept me in New York. Oh

692
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm I was a sleeper in New York, something about

693
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: like the humidity is like my body can't live there.

694
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: But I have been missing it lately. I will say, Oh,

695
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: maybe there is opportunity for you to return. Well, I

696
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: am coming back. We can't tell anyone why, but we

697
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: have a good excuse to your night. L O L.

698
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that good. I think it's good.

699
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes it is good. Well that's

700
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: a little teaser, oh little teasery, a little teasuri. What

701
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: can I say? I can't. I can't believe we devoted

702
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: that much time to Megan McCain, because you know she

703
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: hears and listens to everything. Oh yeah, okay, well, let's

704
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: just let's make this. Should we make a promise here

705
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: and now? Oh yeah, that we will only talk about

706
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Megan McCain once a year. Yeah, okay, so we we

707
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: can have a once a year Megan McCain anniversary. We

708
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: sort of revisit the year of Megan McCain. L O

709
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: L no way. I thought you were gonna say, let's

710
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: make a pact we will not discuss her again. I

711
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: think it's impossible to not discuss her because she keeps

712
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: like saying stupid shit and she just allows that damn job.

713
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: And also, here's the thing too, Any any conservative host

714
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: of the view that was effective is gonna do this

715
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: to the culture. It's just it's it's annoying. Facet of

716
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: a reality in which the view exists is that they

717
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: feel they must have that conservative seat, and that person

718
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: in that conservative seat is always gonna piss off America.

719
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: And maybe that means that they're doing their job, but

720
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: it is frustrating. I don't know. I don't know, girl,

721
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: give me give me five Sherry Shepherds. I would really

722
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: love that. I want to watch that show. Is that

723
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: essentially the talk where everyone's just like I kind of

724
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Sharon Osborne like, well, you know,

725
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: I think Britney Spears is she's you know, she's a

726
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: She's a silly goose. She's a silly goose, and we

727
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: have to let her be silly on Instagram and I

728
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: think all this is she's a silly goose and you

729
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: know she's not even sick, which is making mountain out

730
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: of a mole hill. She's a silly goose on Instagram

731
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: and iPhone. Enjoy it. It's really good. You know you're

732
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: doing living a really good tracy woman is Helen Mirren

733
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: before we got on. It's really good. What I like

734
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: about She's wholes about his body and the problemishing fishing out?

735
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: What if? What a formative piece of culture for us,

736
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: just for you and me as friends. It was I

737
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: think I remember being one of after Nicki Minaj and

738
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: Super Base, I think this video was one of those

739
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: things that like really like formed a new bond between

740
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: you and me when we were first getting to know

741
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: each other, where we're like, oh my god, Matt and

742
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: I are laughing at this thing for the same reasons.

743
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: I think the same exact reasons. And then and then

744
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, and then like over time it was like, oh, okay,

745
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Matt and Bowen have an ear for like, you know,

746
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: is he Stephen saying I'm not a surgeon. I wish,

747
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I wish it was a truth, but I'm not. So

748
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: I quite like like we like the auditor, like, oh

749
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: like you times well you and I respond to Cadence

750
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: extremely strongly, and I've realized that if I'm going to

751
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: be close friends with someone, they have to put number

752
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: one Cadence has. It's all about. It's why I love

753
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: Patrick because he's Cadence is important to him. It's like

754
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: anyone in my life, Like you have to understand the

755
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: way things are said. That's what it's like. You You

756
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: called me the other day and I picked up, and

757
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: the first thing you said was girl. I don't remember

758
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: what was it was, I really want to lose three pounds.

759
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: And then without without missing a beat, I said, oh

760
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: my god, what are you talking about? You're so skinny?

761
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: Shut up? Which I know it's like basic to quote

762
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: mean girls at this point, but like, man and I

763
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: have a once a month discussion about let's just like

764
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: have a mini discussion right now about this let's do it.

765
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean we've had a version of this discussion and

766
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: many episodes before, but like we've threatened, we've threatened to

767
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: do this on the pot, and we're doing it. We're

768
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: doing it. Rachel McAdams. Every single line read in that

769
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: movie Oscar Worthy, I mean the whole like that, but

770
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: that specific part like I really want to lose three pounds.

771
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You're so skinny? Shut up?

772
00:44:54,440 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, just a full, a full vignette. Also, we

773
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: we talked about let me tell you something about janis Ian.

774
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: That whole monologue just like a comedic performance that people

775
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: would die to give. I just feel like and maybe

776
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: if it's released today, because there's more awareness that this happens,

777
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: like to give the comedy movies are given the shaft

778
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to awards, maybe she would get something.

779
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like, it's why I'm rooting for

780
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: like Maria Bekalova this year. It's like Award comedy, you

781
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: must because Rachel McAdams like, first of all, queen. Second

782
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: of all, like you can't really picture anyone else doing it,

783
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: and she and she wasn't a thing before that, and

784
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: yet she came in and was like, no, I'm iconic forever.

785
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something about janis Ian. We're best

786
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: friends in middle school, you know right, It's so embarrassing.

787
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't even whatever. The eighth grade, I started going

788
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: out with my first boyfriend, Kyle, who so hot and

789
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Indian Indianna who was so happy that he moved into Indiana,

790
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: and Jane's was like weirdly jalous of me, Like if

791
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: I would her off to hear with Kyle, she'd be like,

792
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: why did you call me back? And then'd be like,

793
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: why are you so obsessed? Why are you so obsessed

794
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 1: with me? The very birthday party, which is an all girls,

795
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: full party, I was like, Janna's I can't about you

796
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: because I think you're a lesbian. I mean, I mean,

797
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't right there was going to be girls. I mean,

798
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: she was a less lesbian than her mom called my

799
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: mom and started yelling at her. It was so arward,

800
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: and she dropped out of school because not to talk

801
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: to her. And she came back in the fall for

802
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: high school and her hair was all cut off, and

803
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: she she was totally weird and Oliver hair was cut

804
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: off and she was totally weird. She's Oh my god,

805
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: I love your scirt where you I mean, that whole

806
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: genius thing is genius? Are we saying Tina Fey is

807
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: a talented writer? Oh my god? I mean it's also

808
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: like there is a deep understanding in this text of

809
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: what it means to be this type of girl. I'm

810
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: not saying t is this type of girl. I'm saying

811
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 1: she researched. Whatever this book is. It's based on queen

812
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: bees and wannabes. Maybe this is worth a read because

813
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: there is such smart, deft understanding of what it is

814
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: to deal with this type of girl, to be this

815
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: type of girl, to navigate this type of girl. The

816
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: social dynamics in the movie are like really well researched.

817
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I've never felt so seen as when

818
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: they did the three way call attack that used to

819
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: happen to me all the time. I was friends with

820
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: these two girls, Alian Rachel, who I then had to

821
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: say to them ultimately like we can't be friends anymore.

822
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: And it was a whole thing. But they would routinely

823
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: three way call attack and I was just like what

824
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: it was. It was something where it was like I

825
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: didn't know it was so popular, and then when I

826
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: saw it in that movie, I was like, Okay, I

827
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: almost felt like, wow, that wasn't just something that I

828
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: was the victim of. And then I feel like they

829
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: stopped happening after the movie came out. In my life,

830
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: they stopped happening because I would also get three way

831
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: calls from like I think it was like Vicky Reis

832
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Jones and Ginetally and and and like like like full names.

833
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: It's fine, um, but yeah, like I think it just

834
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: there was a drop off after the movie came out

835
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: where people were like, oh, like our asses are unnoticed

836
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: because I mean the girls came out right as we

837
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: were going going into high school. Four yeah, like eighth grade,

838
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh please the worst. And also, like

839
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: we always talk about like how it's sort of normalized

840
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: a mode of behavior for that type of girl going

841
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: forward to like this is the dark side of it

842
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: all is that it really showed some girls how to

843
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: be mean, like if they needed any help, Like there

844
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: was Rachel Mick Adams that sort of expertly modeled that behavior.

845
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: I had a friend I will not say her name

846
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: because she should be mad, but I saw her start

847
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: to act like this girl, like in the way she

848
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: was speaking, in the way she'd look at people. I

849
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you are influenced by this movie, because

850
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: not everyone is going to be able to see irony

851
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: in it, you know what I mean, that's the dark

852
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: side of it. Because even now there's like there's like

853
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: fun little like gen Z, Like there's a fun little

854
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: gen Z pocket where like the bullies in school now

855
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: are like kids were like, you haven't read enough Marxist

856
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: theory to be in our friend group. But it's like

857
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: it's still from the same it's like a different kind

858
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: of like mean person. It's a different kind of bully

859
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: who's like intellectual and it's like whatever, like oh you

860
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: don't respect people's pronouns enough so we can't talk to you.

861
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: It's like that kind of thing. It's still it's still

862
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: the same route, which is Regina George to me. Yeah,

863
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: it's it's um And it's just it's just so funny

864
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: because she made it look cool, like she is the

865
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: iconic part of the movie. Like it's not even cool,

866
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: not even cool. She made it look fun, which is different,

867
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, and we we do stand. Don't I

868
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: know you? Why don't I know you do you wait?

869
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: What shut up? Pretty pretty every everything pretty there there.

870
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like it's aged in a

871
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: way that I mean, there's some things about the movie

872
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: that are like oh that's rough, but um yes, which

873
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: which is every movie from that time. But I feel

874
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: like the fact that it's still like in like the

875
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: momentic language of like, oh, like you show someone a

876
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: picture of like Regina George's crossing arms and saying, so

877
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: you agree, you blank, like whatever, like whenever that's like

878
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: a reaction to something like that, Like it feels like

879
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: you can't remove. It's not gonna like wean off anytime soon.

880
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: That this is still like a reference that people immediately understand,

881
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, part of the culture. Even yes,

882
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: well that's what I mean to say, but it's like

883
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 1: not not not even like Heathers did that, not even

884
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna say, not even Clueless did that for

885
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: gen X. I think it did, but but it never

886
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: was going to. I think that it's gonna feel more

887
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: culty to us, obviously because of our age and also

888
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: because probably at the time, like you literally had to

889
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: go see the movie in order to understand and have

890
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: it circulate the sort of like in order to for

891
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: that generation to sort of meme something like, they would

892
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: have to be an active seeking out of it. And

893
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: I think it probably made it more exciting and and

894
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: or just as exciting in a different way. But I

895
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying where it's like it feels like

896
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: because our generation would then be the generation of um,

897
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, meming things and me becaueen the coming comedy,

898
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: it feels like it hit it exactly the right time

899
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: because it's nostalgia. It's actually good and it's and it's

900
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: hitting with our particular generation, which is, like, you know,

901
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: for better or worse, addicted to meme culture. But I

902
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: even think I don't know, I think I think it

903
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: like in some ways that missed the cut off, and

904
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: yet it's still survived, it's still circulating despite that, it's

905
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: still like I think some Gen Z people would would

906
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: see a mean Girls mean be like, I understand what

907
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: that's from, and it's not like cringe or whatever, you know,

908
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: So it's like that that's that's the thing that is

909
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: unique to mean Girls that I don't think happened with

910
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: Clueless or with Heathers or with like other like movies

911
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: from that neighborhood. I wonder when Mean Girls will feel

912
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: stylistically period slash dated, you know what I mean, like

913
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: literally six months who knows truly I mean, And I think, actually,

914
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: if we watched it again now, And this is actually

915
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: funny because Joel was over the other night and they

916
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: were playing Mean Girls before Drag Race and it was

917
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: the end of the movie and like they show like

918
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: the young plastics and like the skirts they're wearing. It's

919
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: so two thousand four. And also just called the choice

920
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: of music obviously, like when Milkshake is playing, when the

921
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: little girl is dancing, like that's so funny. But just

922
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: like it is starting to get to that point where

923
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: you're like you watch it and you're like, oh my god,

924
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: this movie is so two thousand four, to the point

925
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: where like, so there's like the way that Rachel McAdams

926
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: is dressed as Regina George the whole movie, and then

927
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: when she's nice at the end spoiler alert, and she's

928
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: ever and she's like a lit crosse player. There's a

929
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 1: point where she is walking uh in front of Katie

930
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: and then they waved to each other and there there's

931
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: like a sign of respect like that they've moved on,

932
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: and the way that she's dressed, you could tell at

933
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: the time they were like, you know, she should be

934
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: dressed sort of like more neutral in this scene, and

935
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: like she's not wearing quote unquote cool clothes. And I

936
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: turned to Joel and I was like, she looks way

937
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: more chic there than she is in the whole rest

938
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: of the movie. And then I realized like they were

939
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: just trying to put her in like shitty, boring clothes

940
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: like at the end of the movies, to show that

941
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: she was no longer like this queen bitch of the school.

942
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: But it's just it just kind of says, like the way,

943
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: like the kind of fashion now, like what's in vogue

944
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: right now, I think is just more neutral. So so

945
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of in a way, it's just it just

946
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: kind of said, like that's the way that fashionist progressed,

947
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: Like it's a little bit less pastelish, you know, than

948
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: it was then. Was how would you categorize the style

949
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: of that time? It was like talking about mid auts,

950
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: mid aunts. It was like I'm just gonna name retailers, like, yeah,

951
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: it was Hollister, like Abercrombie and American eagle. It was

952
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: like that. It was like graphic tease, bright colors. I

953
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: mean remember that. Remember how like flip flops were like

954
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: a moment. Do you used to wear jeans and flip flops.

955
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: You could find me in jeans and flip flops at

956
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: all times, even freshman year of college, like walking girl

957
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: walking down fourteen Street in jeans and flip flops, thinking

958
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: and a v nick and thinking, I look so good.

959
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: I look like I just walked out of the gap.

960
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: Aspirational at the time, like truly wild. Well, I told

961
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: I've told you the story of UM when I had

962
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: my first like my r A sat us down on

963
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the floor of of like so we kind of like

964
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: the very first floor meeting or freshman year and we

965
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: all have to go around and like say our name

966
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: and like what we were trying to major in or whatever.

967
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: And when we were from I got up and was

968
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: doing like my mask drag thing. I had like my

969
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: spiky hair, I had my American hugo polo jeans and

970
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: flip flops. Probably everyone laughed at me, and it was

971
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: just it was well because I was dressed that way

972
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: and it was n y U. So everyone there was

973
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: like for some reason, I ended up on the floor

974
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: where everyone was just like had their style figured out,

975
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: I guess, or like, could I remember people from that

976
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: floor from freshman year. I was so taken aback because

977
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: at the time, like the way I was dressed was

978
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: the cool way to be dressed. Now looking back, it's like, oh,

979
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: that was the cool way to be dressed on Long

980
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: Island from where I was from. And then I guess

981
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: everyone else on that floor like had themselves figured out

982
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: a little bit more or got the memo I guess

983
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: six months earlier that you needed to stop dressing like this,

984
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: like in New York in college, like I was looking

985
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: very high school, and maybe a lot of it had

986
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: not even I was obviously gay, dropping my voice like

987
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: but laugh They laughed at me, and I was just

988
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 1: like whoa like And that's when I realized I would

989
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: have to re establish an identity again. And then then

990
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: the tug of war inside me that was, like do

991
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: I just come out now or like try to establish

992
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: myself as a straight guy again, which I know is

993
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: so hard, but it's not even like the cool New

994
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: York way to dress In two thousand and eight, as

995
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: an eighteen or nineteen year old was even that much

996
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: more sophisticated than what Long Island cool was, which is

997
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: too like the difference is American Eagle Hollister. But then

998
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: like if you're you're much cooler if you actually went

999
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: to Forever twenty one and Diesel and like you and

1000
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: even now that's like laughable, It's like it never I

1001
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: don't know, no one, No one's like unless you're just

1002
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: dressing and like all black everything, you're always going to

1003
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 1: be like ridiculed in retrospect for what you wore. Yeah,

1004
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, And I think I think also like

1005
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: the awareness of that being true caused me to dress

1006
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: boring well. And I look back and I'm like, I

1007
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: used to wear just like a lot of black or

1008
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: just like whatever color I knew worked for me, like

1009
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of blue. Um, like the amount of blue

1010
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: ship I'm wearing blue right now, like and also my

1011
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: whole like aesthetic and this blue blue, blue blue blue,

1012
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: I do blue group. And I think it's just because

1013
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: of fear, like like like like like um, when I

1014
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: developed in terms of how I dressed myself. And we've

1015
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: actually had this conversation I believe with Max Witter on

1016
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: his episode we talked a lot about like style and

1017
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: how um, how that you know is is influenced by

1018
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: the culture around you and how you want to be perceived, obviously,

1019
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: But it's so funny because I look back on like

1020
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: my late teens in early twenties, and I did dress

1021
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of like bass and a lot of

1022
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: like you know, inoffensive colors and patterns. And now that

1023
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: I guess I care a little bit less or know

1024
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: myself a little bit more, I do dress in more colors.

1025
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: And that's so funny because I just got a new

1026
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: card after my accident and it is bright red and

1027
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: Joel saw and he was like, this is ostentatious. He's like,

1028
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: this is not you. And I was like, well, you

1029
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: don't know me at all then, mm hmm, girl Hanset,

1030
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: is that also a moving from New York to l

1031
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: A saying interesting? I don't maybe I think so. I

1032
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: think I honestly think it has more to do with

1033
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: just with me being like, no, I'm actually comfortable expressing

1034
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: myself the way I want to. Yeah, you have a

1035
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: very cool sense of style, though you always know the

1036
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: cool things, that's not necessarily true. I know what works

1037
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: for me and it's not even too far elevated above

1038
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: like basics, and like god, I mean there was a time,

1039
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: there really was a time when like it was cool,

1040
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: at least in my like in my understanding, to my understanding,

1041
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: it was cool to wear American apparel. Everything like that

1042
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: was like a look, yeah, in our early twenties, it was,

1043
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: it was. And now now it's like a little bit

1044
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're kind of going back to that.

1045
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: There's the entire world and there's l a apparel. There's

1046
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: like already like a harketing back to that, which is

1047
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: is interesting. And now I'm just like, oh, I I'm

1048
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: reading a lot of like Japanese fashion magazines where like

1049
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: the style is called like city boy, and it's just

1050
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: like you wear a baggy hoodie and like a flannel

1051
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: over it and like sweatpants and that's the look. And

1052
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: like but that even even that's gonna like I know,

1053
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: we're saying such obvious things about like how style changes

1054
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: over time, but even but which is But I just

1055
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: want to say that, like I don't think I will

1056
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: ever be ahead of the curve in anyway. I don't

1057
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: think that's like part of like my ethos. I'm happy

1058
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: to just like clock the trends as they happen and

1059
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: be like, let me try it on and then that's it.

1060
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: I here's what I'll say. Here's my assessment of you.

1061
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you are ahead of the curve. I think, however,

1062
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: you were always right on the pulse, like you always know.

1063
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: Like if I ever mentioned a designer, I can kind

1064
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: of tell from the way that you react whether or

1065
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: not it's cool or not say a designer. Now, Like

1066
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: for example, when I said I'm just gonna go I'm

1067
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: just gonna say this, when I said Tom Brown, you

1068
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, maybe last year. I did not say that.

1069
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: I did not say that Tom Brown is great. Bowen,

1070
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: you did not say Tom Brown. I did not say

1071
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: that Tom Brown was last You're scared that that face.

1072
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: You're scared now that Tom Brown isn't gonna want to

1073
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: dress you down. No, Tom Brown will never dress me down.

1074
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: It's it's that's not what it is. And if I

1075
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: take a ship next to the bathroom and next to

1076
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: Tom Brown in the bathroom, it'll be like, oh, hi,

1077
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't know your your response to what I was

1078
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: shopping and I was I I think I sent you

1079
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: a picture. I was like, I was like, I mentioned

1080
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: Tom Brown and you were like, no, I did not

1081
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: do that. You are lying gas lighter, big timer bow

1082
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: And how would I make this up? Oh my god, no, both,

1083
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you did on my boat, gas lighter.

1084
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: You're gas lighting me. Here's what I want to ask you,

1085
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: because you're talking a lot about sweats and things. What

1086
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: is your what is your relationship to what I believe

1087
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: is the clothing movement of the moment and the past

1088
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: couple of years, which is ath leisure. What is your

1089
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: relationship to ATHLEA Sure, I don't have too much of it.

1090
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: I have my sweat I have to sweatpants that I

1091
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: love that I will wear outside of the house maybe

1092
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: once a week, and that's about it. That's it. I'm

1093
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: becoming more comfortable with it. I never was a kind

1094
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: of person because I just But but I'm telling you,

1095
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: once I brought, once I bought my Brooks Marks track suit.

1096
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: You are wearing the Brooks Marks track suit. It is

1097
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: so comfy and it's holding up. The only thing about

1098
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: it is I'm not entirely sure how you how you

1099
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: go about washing it? Because there's that lining that I

1100
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: think is going to be problematic and washing it. But

1101
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: I love it so much. By the way, by the way,

1102
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: the second part of the reunion, Oh my god, Oh

1103
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: my god, we haven't talked about Salt Lake fireworks. Lisa,

1104
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: what can you give a take? What is your take?

1105
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: What is your temperature? It's been a while since I

1106
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been it's been like almost a week.

1107
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: It's been five days right since it aired. Mary is

1108
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: truly despicable. Oh, we have to do this. We resend

1109
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: the second day of Culture. Miriam Cosby hits the world stage,

1110
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: we re send it. I mean, she's certainly hit the

1111
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: world stage. We can't deny that it happened, but we

1112
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: sort of propped her up as the icon of housewives,

1113
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I can stand by this

1114
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: abject colorism. It was bad when she couldn't stop flapping

1115
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: her trap, when she, unprompted, offered that she prefers light

1116
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: skinned men. She sort of just couldn't stop her mouth

1117
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: and basically said she prefers light skinned men, and no

1118
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: one had asked that, No one had asked that, And

1119
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: then she ended it with, you know, all black people

1120
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: are beautiful. All black people are and I'm so proud

1121
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: of me. It's like, Mary, you got us. That's the

1122
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: thing is she had an out like because they were

1123
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: talking about when she allegedly said because Jen accused Mary

1124
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: of saying she doesn't like to go to convenience stores

1125
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: like seven eleven because shady black guys hang out in

1126
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: front of them and she doesn't like going there because

1127
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: of that, and she said it had nothing to do

1128
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: with race, and Meredith said, I left the conversation thinking

1129
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't like to go to convenience stories because of

1130
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: shady people hanging out in front of them. It didn't

1131
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: have to do with race. I didn't think she made it.

1132
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: Are really gave her an exit and it was there,

1133
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: it was. And then literally she literally goes but I

1134
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: do prefer light skin man, and I'm only laughing because

1135
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: it's so shocking, so awful. Couldn't believe it. And then

1136
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: when he was like, are you in love with your husband?

1137
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: I think I am. But when she goes on about

1138
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: her marriage, that was also and then she eventually starts

1139
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: to break down and cry and everyone's like, oh Mary,

1140
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: it's okay. I did not follow the thread there because

1141
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: she was like, um, I'm not, because she basically started

1142
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: out saying, I'm not in love with my husband. It's

1143
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: not she said, it's impossible to stay happy for that long.

1144
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: It's impossible to stay happy for that long. But then

1145
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: she goes on about she kind of like bounces around

1146
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: all over the place, and then she goes is, yeah,

1147
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm happy, I'm happy. But it's like, wait, what are

1148
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: you and what is it? Are you unhappy? Are you happy?

1149
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: Is it impossible to be happy in that marriage, in

1150
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: the marriage for that longer? She needs to be on

1151
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: someone's couch is what needs to happen. She Okay, So

1152
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: I watched this girl, v Brook Ashley, who does my

1153
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: favorite recaps, and she has a line that I will

1154
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: say here I must. She says she is crazier than

1155
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: a soup sandwich, and she is crazier than a soup sandwich.

1156
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: She needs to be sitting down on a couch figuring

1157
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: out what is really going on, because I don't believe

1158
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 1: she's in love with her husband. I believe she because

1159
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: then she revealed that it was not in her grandmother's

1160
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: will that she marries him, which if I love that.

1161
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: We all were just kind of saying that without unpacking that,

1162
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: which is, even if it was in her will that

1163
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: it was her wish that her grand her husband marry

1164
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: her granddaughter, you can't force anyone to do that, Like,

1165
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: just because someone puts it in their will does not

1166
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: mean that that must happen. Like you can't be forced

1167
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: to marry someone because a fan member of yours put

1168
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: that in her will, like it can she can say

1169
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: that this is her wish, but you can't force anyone

1170
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: to do that. So Mary had to have autonomy in

1171
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: doing this. And it seems like from what she said

1172
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: about how basically the marriage is worth it because she

1173
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: gets Chanel bought for her, that a lot of this

1174
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: is about money. A lot of it's about money. It's

1175
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: like it almost stepped into like fiance territory for me,

1176
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: where like some of these marriages are purely motivated by

1177
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: money or by acquiring things, and I'm just like, this

1178
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: is just people are people are people? Like money like

1179
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: really breaks people, and it's and it's and it's just

1180
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: it's just sad. And then it did line up with

1181
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: that video that had that audio that had leaked off

1182
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: her yelling at her church because they weren't giving her

1183
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: enough money. Like, I was like, this is someone who

1184
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: is number one priority is things and her bedroom is

1185
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: a fucking nightmare of clothes's it's wild, and so I think,

1186
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: like my takeaway from the whole thing is, oh, this

1187
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: is someone who is not willing to be honest about

1188
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: the fact that she's motivated by Greece and that her

1189
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: aunt lives in a smaller house than her, and she

1190
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: comes to clean up the house even though her aunt

1191
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: is like more is like technically closer to would be

1192
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: closer to inheriting the Mega church or whatever. I just

1193
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: this is a mess. There's this there's such a darkness

1194
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: to Salt Lake City. Even though even though I think

1195
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: it was a fantastic first season, there was a great

1196
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: New Yorker piece about what makes what made this first

1197
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: season so good? Um, but I a lot of religious

1198
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: stuff is so so, so, so hard. I think that's

1199
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: what makes it really interesting. And I think it's actually

1200
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: really interesting when you look at it through the lens

1201
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: of Heather too, because I want to talk about let's

1202
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:14,520
Speaker 1: talk about Heather. Heather, the way that she was expertly

1203
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: dragging Lisa and like reading down everyone, I was like,

1204
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: I had to be like I don't think that you

1205
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: are this innocent woman that you have been pretending to be.

1206
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: So I think that her and Whitney a little bit

1207
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: have been putting on this whole we're oppressed by our

1208
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: community and society and religion narrative and boo who Jen

1209
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: would rather be friends with Meredith and Lisa than us.

1210
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: I think they have perpetuated a little bit of a

1211
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: victim narrative for themselves that didn't check out with me

1212
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: on this reunion because all of a sudden, they felt

1213
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: powerful because they saw the show and they realized that

1214
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: they were edited really most favorably, and they were most

1215
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: by the viewers, and they came in really feeling their

1216
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: oats in this reunion to the point where I feel

1217
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: that especially Heather was being cruel to Lisa. And I'm

1218
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,440
Speaker 1: not like, I don't think that Lisa is not a snob,

1219
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: but I don't think that she deserves the dragging that

1220
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: Heather was giving her, and that I think Heather takes

1221
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: glee in when it comes from the viewers as well,

1222
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: because I understood where she was coming from and when

1223
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: they took that lunch break and they thought the cameras

1224
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: went down all I'm saying is Heather was kind of

1225
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: a Yeah, Heather was she She turned to Lisa and said,

1226
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: you're in last place and Lisa said what does that mean?

1227
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: And she was like she was like whatever, whatever, whatever,

1228
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: And Lisa was like what does that mean? And She's like,

1229
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: you've been a bad friend to Meredith. And Lisa said,

1230
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: why do you have to attack my one friend on

1231
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: the show? Why do you have to tack my ally? Like,

1232
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: why do you have to tack my friendship? Like you

1233
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: won't be happy until everyone hates me? And honestly, I

1234
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: think she's right. I think Heather is out to destroy Lisa,

1235
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think she needs to play it that hard.

1236
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: I really don't, because that's not why we like Heather.

1237
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: Not why we like Heather. But even though Lisa when

1238
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: they roll the clips back, Lisa was kind of a

1239
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: terror to Heather and Whitney like that that ski, that

1240
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: ski like meal that they had afterwards, I don't know, Lisa.

1241
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a very it's a very complicated dynamic. I

1242
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: don't have much to add in terms of let me

1243
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: ask you this question, Yeah, do you believe that Lisa

1244
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: new Heather before two thousand seventeen when she says they met.

1245
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: Do you believe Heather that they've known each other for

1246
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: twenty years or do you believe Lisa that maybe they

1247
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: were in the same abstract circle but Lisa only really

1248
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: met Heather and two that in seventeen that whatever that

1249
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: because because they didnt they show a screenshot of the

1250
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: text where they were like, yeah, so excited to meet

1251
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: you in person, excited to meet h Yeah. So basically

1252
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: then this all hinges on the big lie, which is

1253
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: the fact that Heather said Lisa doesn't see me, and

1254
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: I think this and and and is lying about knowing me,

1255
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: and they actually did not have the history that Heather

1256
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: had said. Because I think that Heather, you know, in

1257
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: coming out of the church, she just wants to be

1258
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: seen and she wants to she wants to demand, you know,

1259
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: respect because maybe she feels like she hasn't gotten it,

1260
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: which I understand. I just feel that if that's anger

1261
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: and emotion that she has, I think it might be

1262
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: a little misplaced towards Lisa, like because I don't, I don't,

1263
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I feel that it's probably true that Heather

1264
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: has felt disrespected and undervalued throughout her whole life, and

1265
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: so she's really coming hard now in her power and

1266
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: demanding that people like let her take up space and

1267
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: understand that she is a formidable person. I just think

1268
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to try to kill Lisa socially, because

1269
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: right I watched him. I don't want Jersey, but I

1270
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: watched the premiere. Same, did you watch it? I have

1271
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: the same thing. I don't want Jersey, but I watched

1272
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: the premiere. Well, Heidi, Heidi Gardner told me. She was like,

1273
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: you have to watch Jersey. I was like, okay, but

1274
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: I haven't watched and like truly like since like prostitution whore,

1275
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: Like will it be good? And she was like no, mean,

1276
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm same. I haven't watched it in like almost a decade,

1277
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: but you should watch it. And I was like great.

1278
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: And then um, the ending, the fight between Jackie and Teresa,

1279
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 1: I was like, yeow it was. It was kind of

1280
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: a similar thing where Jackie's like, I have the life

1281
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: that you want. I win and I was like holy shit.

1282
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: And then Teresa of course is like calling her the

1283
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: sea where it And It's like, oh, this is all

1284
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: just so she really was using the sea word, wasn't she?

1285
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,839
Speaker 1: It was I mean the episode was called the Next Tuesday,

1286
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: and but like but just her the beliefs of bee

1287
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: beep beep, but then just reading her lips just kind

1288
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 1: of saying the sea word was truly like it was

1289
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: kind of darring for me to as a viewer to

1290
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, she's really calling her that. Well,

1291
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: Teresa is a jarring figure. Teresa there. I haven't watched Jersey,

1292
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: but it feels like there's gonna be a puge blot

1293
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: between Joe Gorga and Theresa this season. That will be

1294
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: very fascinating to see, if because for them to be

1295
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: siblings and have maybe a lot of stuff like buried

1296
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: not buried, but just like they seem to beginning along.

1297
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Well, the reason I haven't been

1298
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: been able to ever watch Jersey is because the reminder

1299
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: it feels too real to me. I know people like this,

1300
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: like from Long Island. It's just I heard you youhow

1301
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: in the episode I was like this, these are people

1302
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: that Matt knows oh time, big time, like, and so

1303
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: it's always hard because for me, even if it's not

1304
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: it's and it's not explicit always, but there is like

1305
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: there's a layer of homophobia that's running that I just

1306
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable with, Like you know, like I can even

1307
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: if they're not saying it, I can hear all these

1308
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: people saying the word faggot. Well. I feel like in

1309
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: when Teresa was like spreading the rumor about what's his

1310
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: face like cheating on Jackie at the gym, is she

1311
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: is she implying that it's dude because it's at the

1312
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: gym and it's like steam room action or what. Because

1313
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, there's there's there's something missing here that

1314
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: they're either editing out or Teresa's like too afraid to say.

1315
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: As the cameras are rolling that, I'm like, oh yeah,

1316
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: like what is this weird hidden frequency? And then um

1317
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: just just thought it was just so dark and deeply funny,

1318
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: but also like that this is many people in this

1319
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: country and around the world where she was like I

1320
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: didn't spread a rumor I heard oh please, we were laughing,

1321
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we were laughing so hard at that

1322
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: because it's so doesn't make any sense. And I guess

1323
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: like that is what makes a good housewife, like a

1324
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: true agent of chaos. Like we're but that doesn't make sense,

1325
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: and like so it's just so funny because what ends

1326
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: up being the conflicts. It's like there's something that happens,

1327
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: then people react to it, and based on the abstract

1328
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: way people react, that's what then causes the conflict. So like,

1329
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: what won't end up being the conflict is this thing

1330
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: of was there cheating happening? I think it'll be the

1331
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: line I have the life that you want? You know

1332
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? That's that when exactly that's what I

1333
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: like about Housewives. It's like it's like like like the

1334
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: other night, like someone said to me, like, um, I

1335
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: had a bloody mary that was the best I ever had,

1336
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: And I said, what, It's better than the one that

1337
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: I made for you on vacation and he was and

1338
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: my friend was like. My friend was like, well it

1339
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 1: wasn't restaurant quality. So then I said, if this was Housewives,

1340
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: a whole season would be me being piste that you

1341
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: said my bloody Mary's were not restaurant quality. And it's

1342
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: that specificity and that's stupid conflict that I love. And

1343
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: so you need someone like Theresa to come in and

1344
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: have like the only she would say I didn't spread

1345
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: a rumor. I for that spinoff in this like insane

1346
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: direction about whether spreading a rumor is the same as

1347
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: her her hearing a rumor, which is nothing. But I

1348
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: love watching a full unfurling of a conflict based on

1349
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: that stupidity. Well, this, this, this is maybe why like

1350
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: Miriam Cosby is bumping me because like it's it's gone

1351
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: too far, Like because at first we all went crazy

1352
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: over her. We loved her because it was like you

1353
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: smell likes you smell like hospital is the exactly what

1354
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Yeah, it spins out into this whole conflict,

1355
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: but but Mary, it's like, oh, you're you're not making

1356
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: sense at the time at this point, and it's actually

1357
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: really dark the ways you don't make sense and the

1358
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: ways that you contradict yourself and the ways that you will,

1359
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, tell on yourself in these in these

1360
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: situations where you say I prefer light skin guys unprompted that,

1361
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: it's like this is actually not fun anymore. And the

1362
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: whole Pentecostal thing is like really for me, I'm speaking

1363
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: for myself panically, just being Pentecostals is kind of really

1364
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: really scared to me because it is this thing where

1365
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: like it is linking emotion sational experiences, or it's saying

1366
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: that emotional experiences are religious experiences no matter what. Which

1367
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: is so dangerous that anytime you feel any emotions strongly

1368
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: that that is God, that that is like really, that

1369
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: that is like not something that is independent of right

1370
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: an institution is like really really really terrifying to me. Yeah,

1371
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: and and did you see what Andy was like, Well,

1372
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: have there been rumors that your church as a cult?

1373
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: Mary just goes, yeah, oh my god, you did a

1374
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: great Mary. It was just it was just so so

1375
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: of course, absolutely there's been rumors that the church's a cult.

1376
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't there be? It's so and then and it isn't. Lisa,

1377
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 1: Who's just like, I mean, there are rumors that Mormon,

1378
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: that Mormonism is a cult. Not cut. We have to

1379
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: shout out Vanessa Bear for doing my God, Vanessa's impression

1380
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 1: of Lisa and watch What Happens Live and Whitney and Whitney.

1381
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: But it was the Lisa that was that was telling

1382
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: me this is so good. Here's a question for you.

1383
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: And I've really thought about this. So if you, if

1384
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: you and I are in a situation where we're sitting

1385
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: at a reunion type thing and everyone's going in on

1386
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: you say you're Lisa, and I'm Thereith, You're I'm your

1387
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 1: best friend, and I'm sitting there like the way Meredith was.

1388
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: Meredith was not coming about for Lisa. Would you be

1389
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: upset with me? I would be like, you're not. I'd

1390
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck? Yeah, I wouldn't be upset

1391
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: with I would be it would be an off camera

1392
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: thing where I'd be like, you're really passive right now,

1393
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: when people are truly tearing me to shreds. I would

1394
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: be mad. I would be really mad because I know

1395
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: for a fact that if everyone was getting up on you,

1396
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: I would be like no. And that makes me feel

1397
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: like maybe Lisa has a different view of their friendship

1398
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 1: then Meredith does, or Meredith just truly an engaging I

1399
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: think there's a darkness to Meredith as well. I think

1400
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: Meredith is darker than Lisa tbh, not as dark as

1401
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: Heather at this point, because Heather is really trying to

1402
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: like manipulate in ways that are alarming. But Lisa is

1403
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: like there's something and I'm sorry. Meredith is like there's

1404
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: something about Meredith. It's like Beyonce watching jay Z and

1405
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: Solange fight in the elevator and just standing there. Well, yes,

1406
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean she did say on an episode that she

1407
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: has a history of um observing violence and that it

1408
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: it really has caused her to disengage and that that's

1409
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: what works for her. So I bet, I bet she's

1410
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: been through I wouldn't be surprised if she's been through

1411
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: like some sort of like therapy that has told her

1412
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: like you never have to engage in anything that is

1413
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: bad for you, and that she is just going to

1414
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: sit on the sidelines about this. But the fact of

1415
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: the matter is, like the show might not be for

1416
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: her then, because that's gonna I think it's funny now,

1417
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: Like the fact that she is the House five that disengages.

1418
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: I think it's funny now. But she can't be too

1419
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 1: sleepy for the whole thing, you know, and her not

1420
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: and and it's so funny because she really just had

1421
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: one moment in this episode and it was, let me

1422
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: make something extremely clear, my husband is off limits and

1423
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: if anyone talks about it, you're not my friend. And

1424
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: that's that. And she like really laid the hammer down

1425
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: and it was her one moment. And yeah, nothing other

1426
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: than that, nothing, And for Lisa to be like so

1427
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: the center of conflict and Meredith to not chime in

1428
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 1: really at all. I would have been pissed. And there

1429
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: it's only kind of the only tag away for Meredith

1430
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: this season is the only memory is I'm disengaging image

1431
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 1: and I'm no longer engaging. If you guys want to

1432
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: eating the conversation man Soft, you have to read this

1433
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: New Yorker piece about it. Starts off saying how Brooks

1434
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: Marks is Like I did read it. I thought it

1435
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: was great. I thought that was a really good observation.

1436
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: She was like, the audience turns on Brooks. I mean,

1437
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you feel this way, but I

1438
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh yeah. That was when I kind

1439
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: of wasn't as enamored with Brooks Marks as a reality

1440
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 1: character reality show character. Was when Brooks was like Jen

1441
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: was like showing her vagina all over the pist. I

1442
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, but you, hm hmmm, like this is

1443
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,520
Speaker 1: a little too this is this is this is reverting

1444
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: to like a different trope in reality television that is

1445
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: no longer relevant because you were like a very good

1446
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: student of the form up until that point. And here's

1447
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: my take on that. Because they talked about this in

1448
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: this episode of The Union too, Meredith was like it

1449
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: was inappropriate the way she was behaving her vagina was

1450
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it was clear enough in that episode

1451
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: that it was such a thing was out. Yeah, I

1452
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: don't think it was clear enough that like she was

1453
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: actually being inappropriate in front of the kids, Like I

1454
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: think if it had been made a little bit And

1455
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,600
Speaker 1: I think this might have been the producers and the

1456
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: editors maybe like wanting to see her away from a

1457
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: narrative of, um, a woman's like vagina was exposed, because

1458
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: that has been a thing on housewives, and I feel

1459
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: like they feel like it invades their privacy and I

1460
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: really don't need a narrative of like whose pussy was out?

1461
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't like it, like they did it with

1462
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: Erica Jay in a couple of years ago on Beverly Hills,

1463
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: and you could tell that it like really bothered her,

1464
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: that it was a topic of conversation. But I think

1465
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: that that because that's true that they've kind of learned

1466
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: from this and the editors didn't want to make it

1467
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: as much of a thing. But I think ultimately, like

1468
01:24:56,520 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: the issue was it was a thing, and Brooks was

1469
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: responding to it, and so that's why I think it

1470
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: seemed like Brooks was making this issue in order to

1471
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: like stir the pot, when in reality, he was reacting

1472
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: to the fact that it happened, which Meredith confirmed on

1473
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 1: the reunion. She was like, yeah, it was a lot.

1474
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Uh Meredith, Maybe I am a Meredith. I can't tell

1475
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: you enough. You really are. And it was so funny

1476
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: to me. Everyone, Oh my god, readers. It was so

1477
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: funny because Bowen goes, I'm a gen, and I was like,

1478
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: you have way too much respect for silverware, glassware to

1479
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: ever throw it at a party. I wasn't proudly saying

1480
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm a gen. I said I might be a gen. Unfortunately,

1481
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: you were the least gener explained to me how you're

1482
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: a gen that I when I get angry, I get angry.

1483
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: That's not even true. That's not even true. I'm exploring

1484
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: anger in therapy right now. It's very very interesting. That's

1485
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: so interesting. What a window in this is therapy? Okay,

1486
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: I think it's time. Yeah, I was gonna say it

1487
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: feels time to do. I don't think so, honey, Which

1488
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: is I forget? It's some our one minute segment in

1489
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: which we go off on something in culture, right. I

1490
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 1: saw I don't think so honey written down and I

1491
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: was like, what is that? Okay, so I have something,

1492
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: you have something? Okay, this is Mount Rodders. I don't

1493
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think

1494
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: so honey. Monica rambo erased, okay, because the only thing

1495
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: that people are talking about on Twitter is I goth

1496
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: all all along, which I understand, but also, you know

1497
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: what else is happening all along? We're getting the origin

1498
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: story of Photon, Honey or Spectrum it is unclear. But

1499
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is, we got this black woman who

1500
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: gets this unbelievable scene where she gets her powers in

1501
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: the sort of hex thing. And it was an unbelievable scene.

1502
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: It was an artful studies. I found it to be emotional,

1503
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: and I thought it was well performed, and I thought

1504
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: Tiana Paris came to life like when she got her powers.

1505
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is, this is the origin story

1506
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: of one of the probably most important characters in the

1507
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: m C. You going forward and you go on Twitter

1508
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: and it was Agatha all along and it was Catherine

1509
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: Han And all I'm saying is examine it because we

1510
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: are getting the origin story of the most important female superhero.

1511
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: And all over you were like, Agatha, Agatha, Agatha, no Monica,

1512
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: and that's one minute, no Monica, and I you know,

1513
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: we stand, we stand Katherine Han and we stand Agatha.

1514
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: All we stand the reveal. But all I'm saying is

1515
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: there was another thing that happened in the episode that

1516
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: was iconic and it was not being talked about, and

1517
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: it was that Monica Rambo finally got her powers. And

1518
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: if you follow the comics, you understand that this is

1519
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: a big, big, big, big big deal because she goes

1520
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: on to like lead the Avengers. In the comics. She

1521
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: can she can see electromagnity, tisma, she can she can

1522
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: look at the waves, and you know that she's like

1523
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: got blue eyes. But I was like, I was like,

1524
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: what is it? And then I was reading about it.

1525
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: Apparently in the comics she can turn herself into energy. Yes, yes, yes,

1526
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: which I don't know how that works, but excited to

1527
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: find out to me too, girl, all right, and this

1528
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: is this feels like Bohen's ready. Oh I just got

1529
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: an email from the Tellershift official store. Was you order

1530
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: my evermore hoodie? Is coming. Oh my god, we are

1531
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: getting a lot of messing. I think people need to

1532
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 1: do an ever more episode soon. Everyone is still on

1533
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: the evermore thing where they're like, we need like someone

1534
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: at works, like my friend was listening. My friend told

1535
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 1: me that you guys still need to do an ever

1536
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: more episode. I go, well, say it. Just because you

1537
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: say we need to do it does not mean we're

1538
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it. Okay, And this goes for guests as well. Okay,

1539
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: thank you for your ideas. We are not customer service.

1540
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: Some people are really banging the drum about us having

1541
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: certain people on it. It's like it actually most of

1542
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: the time, I'm like, don't, don't let to provide for you.

1543
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,919
Speaker 1: How about this next week we have Rose DomU on. Okay, gross,

1544
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: so excited to talk about talk about a one division

1545
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: and Taylor Stam. Maybe you'll getting maybe you'll get some

1546
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: We will be talking about everymore with we'll talk we'll

1547
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: talk about ever remember with Rose, but Rose truly, like always,

1548
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 1: I think she has a north star and in the culture,

1549
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: I think whatever Rose thinks he goes, maybe that's she

1550
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: is taste. You'll find out, you'll you'll find out. And

1551
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: we recommend everyone look up her interviews with Timmy shallow

1552
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: May she brings up she She asks him if he

1553
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: likes moon Struck, and he says, I love Moonstruck. She

1554
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: has great interviews with Samahayak, with Amy Poehler and my Rudolph.

1555
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,839
Speaker 1: She she's she has had some great, great, great interviews

1556
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: with some some folks, and we're going to talk with

1557
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: her about that next week next week. But before we

1558
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: get to next week, bohen Yang hasses out, don't think so, honey,

1559
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: do you have something prepared? I have something prepared. Love

1560
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 1: to hear it this, so honey, and his time starts now.

1561
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Crime Seeing the Vanishing to

1562
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: see So Hotel that Sees the Hotel documentary it is

1563
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: pure drivel trash the way that it barely spends any

1564
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: time actually focusing on the death of Elisa Lamb, so upsetting,

1565
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: so unfortunate, and yet the documentary spends so much time

1566
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: on like the conspiracy, on like on like the voyeurism

1567
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: of true crime, and how it sort of has ballooned

1568
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: out of control, and and like how it has how

1569
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: it tainted the whole investigation of Elisa Lamb. So that

1570
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: it sort of removes all the humanity from like this

1571
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: poor person who unfortunately passed away on the property. Like

1572
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: it goes into the sifting, terrible shallow analysis of like

1573
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: what skid row is and what it meant for, like

1574
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: what it could have possibly meant for the death that

1575
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: you might have gotten drugs from skin Row. It's it

1576
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 1: was truly such like pulpy bullshit, And it was so

1577
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: like the humanizing it was so disappointing, and I think,

1578
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: like we're hitting some like critical mass with true crime stuff. Okay,

1579
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: that's my minutes. That's one minute. So basically you're saying

1580
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: that it was true crime about true crime. It was

1581
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: true crime where there was a layer where it was

1582
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: just so you would have It was very watchable, I'll say,

1583
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: but so much of it was like the sensationalism of

1584
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: every way. It was just sensationalizing the death itself by

1585
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: being like, and here all the crazy things that have

1586
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: happened at this Theson hotel, all these serial killers and

1587
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: suicides and all this stuff, and skid Row is a thing,

1588
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: and she this girl might have gotten drugs from skid

1589
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: Row and then had a like a bipolar episode. It

1590
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: was just like there was a way to present this

1591
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: story without going into and then it top and then

1592
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: like there's some valuable stuff about Yes, the voyeur is

1593
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: stick aspect of true crime, where like all of these

1594
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: web slutes were trying to solve the case as the

1595
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: investigation was happening, as the autopsy report was being put together,

1596
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: but then like it ruins this one person's life, but

1597
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 1: like I don't think we needed to see that, and

1598
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: it's it's all like I don't know if any of

1599
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: it's useful, and I think we're hitting we're hitting up.

1600
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: It's like we're we're reverting back to like datelineing, like

1601
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's always been this way and I've just checked out,

1602
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: but like it feels like a really weird anachronistic era

1603
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: of like covering grizzly deaths like this, where it's like,

1604
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's actually just like, yeah, try to

1605
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 1: present the facts and not have it be embellished in

1606
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: like all this other nonsense. Yeah. I think that any

1607
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 1: time they figure out something is working, like uh, you're

1608
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna get a mass and out of it. And with

1609
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,839
Speaker 1: true crime that's actually kind of interesting and maybe harmful

1610
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: because it is removing the humanity once it's just like, oh,

1611
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: this thing works commercially, and now here's all of it.

1612
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think because it's got I

1613
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of bad reviews and people are like

1614
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: this was so poorly handled that I think now hopefully

1615
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 1: we're at a point where people are like the people

1616
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: who make these shows are like, this is not working anymore,

1617
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, like it's just anyway. I was talking about

1618
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: with Greta and she was like, it's so bad, and

1619
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's just like true trash. Did

1620
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: you just watch I care a lot yet No, I

1621
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: hear it's I hear everyone's hating it. Well, like but

1622
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: people say, but people say Rosmond that she's good, but

1623
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: like that what it's about is like I don't know,

1624
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: but maybe we'll watch it and we'll talk about it

1625
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: next week, because I'm sure Rose has watched it. Sure,

1626
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I think we've like also turned

1627
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the corner with Netflix where a lot of the program

1628
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and Netflix is because there used to be a time

1629
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: when you would watch when a show would be in

1630
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: the conversation that was on Netflix, and you would go

1631
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: into it being like, well, it must be good. And

1632
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: now I don't think that's true anymore. I think now

1633
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: every people are watching Netflix shows because they are in

1634
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: the conversation, but it's not there's no and there's no

1635
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: assumption going in that it's going to be quality. Oh yeah,

1636
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean now it's it's it's well, it's literally how

1637
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: they it's how they do it. Now, it's just we're

1638
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: gonna push this thing to the front and everyone's gonna

1639
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: watch it, and that's their way of sort of controlling

1640
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: what gets consumed. But it's like the Emily in Paris

1641
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 1: of it all, Emily and Paris is not good, but

1642
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 1: everyone watched it. Oh fucking I don't think it's only

1643
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: the h f p A because there's the whole thing

1644
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 1: that came out Emily in Paris, people like basically bribed them. Well,

1645
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: this has been happening since the beginning of time. Like,

1646
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: like the h f p A is a joke because

1647
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,560
Speaker 1: it's an easy target because it's such a small body exactly,

1648
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 1: and they can and have been bought forever. Like, so

1649
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: it's just kind of funny to see everyone like coming

1650
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,520
Speaker 1: around to this now, Like whenever the Golden Globe nominations

1651
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: come out and people are like this, Oh nub I'm like,

1652
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: you guys, that just means that they didn't play the game,

1653
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 1: like it's fine, Like it's so cool to be snubbed

1654
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: by the hfp A. Like it just means it means

1655
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: you're not like literally going for it, like in terms

1656
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: of like buying these awards, like they don't know her,

1657
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:02,799
Speaker 1: Like there there's a reason why they're not in the egot,

1658
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're They're not an actual

1659
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 1: reputable awards body. I always feel like if someone I

1660
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: like went to Golden Globe, I'm like yeah, and if

1661
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: someone doesn't, it's it's fine, You're fine. Yeah, It's not

1662
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 1: like the Oscars are the Emmys, which are actual reputable

1663
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: awards bodies with a large voting base, you know what

1664
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean. Whatever, Anyway, anyway, what an app truly freewheeling,

1665
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: we kind of there were There was many a winding turn,

1666
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, Matt, I would say that every day

1667
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 1: is a winding road, is a winding road, and with that,

1668
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: every day winding get a little bit closer, every day

1669
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: winding day get a little to hear that song listen

1670
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: to the end credits of the movie, say it I

1671
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know Aaron Brockovich Charon brock Bits. Oh my god,

1672
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: do you work next time? Alright, bye h