WEBVTT - Selects: How Fireplaces Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, it's Josh and for this week's select, I've

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<v Speaker 1>chosen our warm and Cozy twenty sixteen episode on Fireplaces,

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<v Speaker 1>just in time for Christmas. I hope you have your

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<v Speaker 1>wastle handy or some eggnog or a nice glass of

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<v Speaker 1>water if that's what suits you, and I'd like you

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<v Speaker 1>to settle in with a cozy blanket and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this crackling episode of Stuff you Should Know. Happy Holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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<v Speaker 1>Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerome the Jayres. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is stuff you should Know.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry got a piece of mail the other day that

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<v Speaker 2>said Jerome. Oh yeah, yeah, like real mail though, right, Jerry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like mail, not like fan mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh little Jerry just said confirmed.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been doing a lot of this Jerry translating lately.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's really weird. That's bizarre. I mean, I sold

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<v Speaker 1>your address to a mailing list, but I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>reimbursed for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh, how are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Great?

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<v Speaker 2>We are fresh off our live shows in Boston, mass

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<v Speaker 2>MA and h Washington, DC, and big thanks to everyone

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<v Speaker 2>that came out. Those were a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure. And thanks to the Brightest Young Things

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<v Speaker 1>for having us to the Benson Ball with Tig Nataro.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah that it was wonderful we got to meet Tick.

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<v Speaker 2>She was just as nice and nonplussed as I would

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<v Speaker 2>have hoped exactly. She didn't make a fuss. No, nor

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<v Speaker 2>should she. Wait, I mean that in a good way. Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it non plus the opposite of what you think

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<v Speaker 1>it means?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think non plus means like you're you're agitated, means

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<v Speaker 1>you're plussed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd learned things all the time on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Your favorite part of my job.

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<v Speaker 1>And most specifically, the most recent thing I've learned, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>is that fire, the use of fire, the technological application

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<v Speaker 1>of fire, that's as far as I'm going actually predates humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>That it was Homo erectus who was the first upright

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<v Speaker 1>hominid who controlled fire, and it was as long ago

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<v Speaker 1>as a million years there's evidence of the use the

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<v Speaker 1>controlled use of fire by humans as as much as

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<v Speaker 1>a million years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it says here in this article that you found

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<v Speaker 2>that in China there are hears of clay, silt and

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<v Speaker 2>limestone from like a half a million years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know signs like you said in Africa over a

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<v Speaker 2>million years ago that people and these are in caves,

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<v Speaker 2>so essentially indoor fireplace. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But and if you are an anthropologist, you are

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with the term hearth, but that's usually used to

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<v Speaker 1>describe something that doesn't really resemble the hearth that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today. Usually it was like just a shallow depression.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it did have some limestone or some clay or

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<v Speaker 1>something else to keep it from catching fire, but nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like the fireplaces we know of today. The ones we

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<v Speaker 1>see and say there's a fireplace, they're actually about seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred ish years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think the history of the chimney isn't

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<v Speaker 2>super clear. But by the fourteenth century, and of course Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>when you had a little dough, you could then afford

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<v Speaker 2>the nice chimney or maybe just any chimney.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, yeah, people started to afford chimneys quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a especially in say jolly old London, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of chimneys that sprung up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they weren't happy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of problems that arose, as we'll see later on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's kind of interesting to see the fireplace

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't really changed much in like seven hundred years. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you step back and you're like, no, actually, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of evident when you think about the fireplace and

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<v Speaker 1>how ridiculously inefficient it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of changed. I don't know, it depends what.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends what your definition have changed.

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<v Speaker 1>A hole in the wall with a hole above it

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<v Speaker 1>that's tall and narrow and leads to the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, within that there have been a lot of changing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Sure, but the overall general design has been relatively

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<v Speaker 1>unchanged for seven hundred years. It's like toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're not as straight as they used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Franklin was someone who did a lot of complaining

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<v Speaker 2>in life. He did about when you know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of a person who would look around the

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<v Speaker 2>world in his everyday surroundings and say, why do people

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<v Speaker 2>do it like this? That's stupid. I've been Franklin. There's

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<v Speaker 2>better ways. Listen to me, right, take a peek under

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<v Speaker 2>my silken robe.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, he very famously wrote that on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>the Declaration of Independence.

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<v Speaker 2>But fireplaces used to get under his skin, apparently because

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<v Speaker 2>the design, and we're going to talk about this, the

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<v Speaker 2>traditional fireplace is fairly wasteful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, tremendously so.

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<v Speaker 2>And it can even make your room colder, yes, which

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<v Speaker 2>is counterintuitive. Yeah, it's like non plussed. Yeah, I look

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<v Speaker 2>that up. By the way, so non plus I'm correct.

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<v Speaker 2>The non plus means you're agitated. Well, it means it

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<v Speaker 2>means that you are surprised and confused to the point

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<v Speaker 2>that you are unsure how to react. So not necessarily agitating.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but you're definitely not just like laid back.

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<v Speaker 2>No, so tick. Natara was not nonplussed. She was not

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<v Speaker 2>confused on how to react. She reacted the exact way,

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<v Speaker 2>which is hin. Nice to know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's just chill, right and very sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect like some big show trust me from

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<v Speaker 2>anybody that meets us. Well, no, so I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to put that out there. I wouldn't want to sound

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<v Speaker 2>like I was disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't like throw those snap crackers and start tap dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I got exactly what I wanted, which was a

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<v Speaker 2>very nice lady who gave me a big hug in

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<v Speaker 2>a photo. I think that's come across. Yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sensitive to that stuff. Once I started opening my

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<v Speaker 2>mouth digging that hole. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a little more rope.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, let me give you a stat here.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait first, I think everyone wants to hear about how

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<v Speaker 1>you felt when you met tig Nataro.

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<v Speaker 2>I was super excited. Can you tell how was she?

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<v Speaker 2>So here's a little stat for you. The National Association

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<v Speaker 2>of Homebuilders did a survey, and I guess this is recent.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't name the year, but it sounds recent. People

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<v Speaker 2>still want their fireplaces to the tune of seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>percent of home buyers say, and that's I guess in

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<v Speaker 2>the US, Yeah, like even in I mean that's accounting

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<v Speaker 2>for the hot places as well. Sure you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine in the cold places it's probably more

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, remember I don't remember what episode it was,

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<v Speaker 1>but we talked about how in New York it's very

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<v Speaker 1>ghost these days to have a fireplace that you use

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so waste.

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<v Speaker 2>Not does ghosh mean what I think it means now

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<v Speaker 2>in doubting everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It means super laid back and non plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so like New Yorkers like, oh, you have a fireplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how not green, right, which I mean they're correct.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of ungreenness associated with fireplace brownness. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, especially as far as like air pollution goes

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<v Speaker 1>air quality. Yeah, there's a lot of problems. Sure, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems that come out of it. Like

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<v Speaker 1>for example, I guess if we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this for a second, if you are a kid and

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<v Speaker 1>you have I don't know, respiratory diseases, yeah, you're far

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be living in a house where your folks

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<v Speaker 1>burn wood. So if you're a kid or an elderly person,

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<v Speaker 1>respiratory distress can be broad on because smoke's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get in the room no matter how great the fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, right, Or if you're let's say, if you already

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<v Speaker 2>have asthma or something, you're not doing yourself any favors

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<v Speaker 2>right by letting that smoke in the particles particulate matter

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<v Speaker 2>creep in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And also I mean like house fires. There's like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five thousand house fires in the United States every

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<v Speaker 1>year that result in like ten people's deaths.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from directly from fireplaces.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. But no matter who you talk to, for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, they people say, still worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm gonna die of like black lung, and my

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<v Speaker 1>house may burn down before I get a chance to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really love fires in the winter, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>willing to take that risk.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know my deal or do you?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We live in a house that was built in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five. Oh yeah, yeah, and we're renovating it still forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have the fire place that is not used

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not able to be used, I know, unless

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<v Speaker 2>we pay like some pretty good doe to get it

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<v Speaker 2>retrofitted and the chimney worked on. And I for years

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<v Speaker 2>have been leaving just little sticky notes and I'll write

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<v Speaker 2>it in crayon on the bathroom wall and just little

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<v Speaker 2>things like hey, m how about that fireplace? And she says,

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<v Speaker 2>quit writing on the walls. We're not getting a fireplace

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<v Speaker 2>just yet. But maybe you've been there for like ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Is when does our life? When do we start living

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<v Speaker 2>our life? Is my question? With a fireplace, have.

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<v Speaker 1>You considered trading something she wants for the fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And have you considered begging?

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't work either? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you know, I do I wait until

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<v Speaker 2>she goes out of town and they just do it yourself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but doing a trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible way, so that somebody, a professionalist to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and go behind you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you have no choice. You're like, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta get the fireplace guy in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, there's a giant hole in the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Long story short, though, we still don't have a fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm still despite all the negatives, and I try

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<v Speaker 2>to lead a green life, but I just I want

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<v Speaker 2>that wood burning thing. I don't want. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the substitutes. But and that's great if you're into that,

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<v Speaker 2>because they are better in many many ways. Sure, But

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<v Speaker 2>I just love that wood crackle, the smell. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>want that particulate matter yelling my lungs.

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<v Speaker 1>You and seventy seven percent of us homeowners yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>most people do say, I'm willing to look past the

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<v Speaker 1>problems for a wood burning fireplace, But like you say,

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<v Speaker 1>there are there are all there's alternatives right, But we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about all of it here.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we talk about the parts?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk about this is. This is when I

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<v Speaker 1>say like there was very little change to the design

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<v Speaker 1>over seven hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, man, Yeah, I didn't realize some of these

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<v Speaker 2>parts existed. So I did learn quite a bit in this.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was pretty much the firebox and the

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<v Speaker 2>flu that ran up the chimney. Sure, and that's it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But there's more to it than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, these are I think these are the improvements

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<v Speaker 1>that came over time.

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<v Speaker 2>So you do have that hearth that you mentioned that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be built out of something fireproof. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want a wood to hearth, so that'd be bad. It's

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<v Speaker 2>probably rock or brick. And that's where Yeah, that's where

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<v Speaker 2>you sit and drink your bourbon while you warm your back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an apron on the floor that extends out

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<v Speaker 1>from the fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it can be even with the floor, as

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<v Speaker 2>is the case now or the one I grew up with.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up with one of those mac Daddy huge

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<v Speaker 2>rock stone fireplaces.

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<v Speaker 1>Those ones are like, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And you could sit on the thing. They're the best.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the best, but they're also like just kid killers.

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<v Speaker 1>They look like you know, well not if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>climb in it. Oh okay, which I never did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is pretty nice.

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<v Speaker 2>What else you got?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so, you know, like the hearth extends out, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you look usually up the walls along either side

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<v Speaker 1>of the hole in the wall, and then above above it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's called the surround. It's usually made of something either

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<v Speaker 1>that's the same as the hearth, same material as the hearth,

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<v Speaker 1>or some other fireproof thing like tile or brick or stone, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just to basically prevent that fire from licking

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<v Speaker 1>out of the firebox and setting the house on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>So straw no good, no as a material. You have

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<v Speaker 2>your firebox, that is just what you think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the square typically, although they are shaped a little differently. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just where that holds your.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire, right, and it's where the smoke starts to collect. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're sending this stuff up to behind behind the

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<v Speaker 1>fire box is actually called the smoke chamber, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's a transition area in between the firebox, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where you actually have the fire, and the smoke chamber,

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<v Speaker 1>which is above and slightly behind it, and there's it's

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<v Speaker 1>called the throat. It's the opening that that connects those

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<v Speaker 1>two things. Yeah, and the smoke chamber smoke box I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've been calling it. It actually connects the firebox

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<v Speaker 1>to the FLU and it's got some pretty cool stuff going.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is like where where some improvements were made

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<v Speaker 1>to the design.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the flu is surrounded by the chimney also

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<v Speaker 2>again not straw, right, it's gonna be bricked almost always.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back rear of the smoke chamber, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>smoke shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's concave.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because if you if you look at a fireplace,

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<v Speaker 1>you just think it just goes straight up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, some of the old designs did well, they

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<v Speaker 2>were stupid. Yeah, that's how it's changed some.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So if you go if you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>back of the fireplace, if you could stick your head

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<v Speaker 1>up into the firebox, you don't want to do that

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<v Speaker 1>when there's no fire, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to do it. Period.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll see that there's actually a shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there, and it's angled forward too. In front of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, it used to be just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a cube and it went straight up. Now it's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of zigzags, yeah, back and forth a little bit its

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<v Speaker 2>way to the flu that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole point of that shelf and the zigzag

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<v Speaker 1>is so that when rain comes in, it doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>into the fire. Yeah, it's almost basically a protective overhang.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also keeps particulates like soot and stuff from

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<v Speaker 1>falling into the firebox too.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct that smoke shelf underneath it, you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>the damper, and that is that covering that it's movable,

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<v Speaker 2>and that separates the firebox from the place above it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that keeps that's you know, when you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>your fire, that's when you close. We used to say

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<v Speaker 2>close the flu and we didn't use the word damper

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<v Speaker 2>in my house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, but that's technically what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>just the damper and you get your their different mechanisms.

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<v Speaker 2>But ours had a little little islet circle thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you would stick. We used our fire poker and we

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<v Speaker 2>would just unhook it and then close the damper and

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<v Speaker 2>that when your fire is not burning. You want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep that thing open when it's burning. Obviously, Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to find out really quickly. Yeah, if it's closed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an epiglottis for the fireplace. Sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's got a throat, why not? Sure what else

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<v Speaker 1>we have? Sometimes there's a chimney damper at the very

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<v Speaker 1>top of the flu Yeah, and you could close too,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unnecessary, oh you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But then at the very top of the chimney there's

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<v Speaker 1>something called spark or restor, which is usually like some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of mesh grate that will allow like gas and

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<v Speaker 1>air out, but we'll keep little embers and stuff from

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<v Speaker 1>going out onto your roof and setting your house on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially like paper tends to float up and out

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<v Speaker 2>the chimney cap. It serves the same purpose. And that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times is one and the same, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the chimney cap and the spark arrest are all one piece.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot a lot of times is that it I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't heard of this ash dump. That sounds pretty neat though.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure it's basically I guess, a hatch in the floor

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<v Speaker 2>where you can just sweep the ashes. I guess that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like in the olden days when your house was

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<v Speaker 2>built on you know, to bricks, and it would just

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<v Speaker 2>drop into a bucket below, as would your poop. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>there were different buckets under your house that collected things.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted to make sure you knew which bucket you

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<v Speaker 1>were grabbing at any given time. I didn't want a surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally got your little door. It's either you know,

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<v Speaker 2>glass or metal, or it might just be a screen.

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<v Speaker 2>We never had in mind growing up. We never had

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<v Speaker 2>the glass door scene. Sure, just the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>We had one of those in my high school house

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a we had a gas fireplace. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine, Sure, but I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not wood.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well let's take a break and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about wood after this.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're back, Chuck, and we're gonna talk. This would

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<v Speaker 1>not be an apt episode if we didn't talk about

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<v Speaker 1>basically the physics of how a fireplace works. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>there are some physics involved. Yeah, pretty impressive ones, if

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<v Speaker 1>you ask me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love this article said lighting a fire inside

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<v Speaker 2>your living room and it kind of hits home of like,

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<v Speaker 2>how kind of crazy that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And so there are two challenges one not setting your

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<v Speaker 2>house on fire to keep the smoke from entering the room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, never really thought about it, and everything we

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<v Speaker 2>just talked about basically was to prevent the first part

0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.680
<v Speaker 2>catching your house on fire, the surround the hearth, all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But then if you get a little more into the

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<v Speaker 1>guts of the fireplace, that's to keep the smoke from

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<v Speaker 1>filling up in the room. And when you look around

0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.760
<v Speaker 1>your house, you will find that there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different places for air to get in. And that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>quite necessary for a fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite necessary for living and breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, for breathing, it's important for that too, But to

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<v Speaker 1>keep a fire going in to keep the smoke from

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<v Speaker 1>going filling up your living room, huh, which again you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find out very quickly if you don't have your damper open,

0:18:55.200 --> 0:19:01.359
<v Speaker 1>which I have before. Sure, if you have air coming

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<v Speaker 1>into your house, then you can keep the air, the

0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>smoke from the fire going up the way it's supposed to.

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<v Speaker 1>And that happens simply because he tends to rise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know. You know, one of the places I

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<v Speaker 2>get a nice flow of air and my house is

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<v Speaker 2>from closed windows.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you got thin windows.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have it. We've only readone a few of

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<v Speaker 2>the windows. That's on my like must do list is

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<v Speaker 2>to get all the windows replaced. Yeah, but it ain't cheap. No,

0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but you're gonna earn that money back, you know, over

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<v Speaker 2>time with efficiencies. But yeah, I have those old windows,

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<v Speaker 2>like it can be fully shut and you can stand

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<v Speaker 2>and your hair will blow right, you know, Like where's

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.840
<v Speaker 2>this coming from? It's going through the glass. Yeah, it

0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:45.400
<v Speaker 2>feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's defying the laws of physics.

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<v Speaker 2>It's freezing near my windows.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, you mean I had a house like that

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<v Speaker 1>and it was I mean the wavy, vaguely wavy kind

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.720
<v Speaker 1>of windows. Yeah, those were thin.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of neat though, to think that twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm living like a settler basically. Yeah, in parts

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of my shrining your own butter. So, yeah, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the different kinds of heat. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>you've got conduction, convection, and radiation, and fireplaces use convection

0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and radiation, but not conduction, hopefully not conduction.

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<v Speaker 1>No conduction means your house is catching fire.

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I means you're literally touching something hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But conveection, of course, is when that hot air

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.160
<v Speaker 2>circulating to cooler areas of your home in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>and the radiation is just literally feeling that flame warmth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's in the case of the fireplace, it's infrared

0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:49.240
<v Speaker 1>and visible light electromagnetic radiation. Basically, there is actually some

0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.880
<v Speaker 1>radio waves in some microwaves produced by a fire, which

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is kind of cool. Yeah, but for the most part,

0:20:55.000 --> 0:21:01.240
<v Speaker 1>you're feeling infrared radiation and you're seeing visible light rate right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're warming yourself by a fire, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>being radiated. Thermal radiation is being emitted from the fireplace.

0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 1>But there's also convection, yeah, big time and yeah, big times, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Convection actually makes up most of the way that heat

0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 1>is moved through a fire, and because you want to

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.120
<v Speaker 1>keep the smoke out of your house, you're also actually

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:31.120
<v Speaker 1>keeping those convection currents from going into your house as well,

0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 1>meaning as Ben Franklin point out, because remember he was

0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.439
<v Speaker 1>a huge complainer that most of the heat from a

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.479
<v Speaker 1>fire is just purposefully being funneled out of the house

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 1>up through the flu in the chimney.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it drove him nuts a little bit looking

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 2>through some of these quotes.

0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he really spent a lot of time like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how to make fireplace better. You

0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.520
<v Speaker 1>got to understand though, too, like when he was alive.

0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.600
<v Speaker 1>These weren't just for like charm, No, No, they were

0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to stay alive. Yeah, and the idea that you were

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.520
<v Speaker 1>wasting all this fuel I think probably part of it

0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.560
<v Speaker 1>also is the inefficiency probably drove him nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean he's dead, right, Like, you've got

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.040
<v Speaker 2>so much heat just going right up the chimney, and

0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 2>not only that when you get that draft, because the

0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 2>fire needs the oxygen, right, So that's another reason it's

0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 2>pulling this air in, But it's also pulling in You've

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 2>got your thermostat on and your heat going.

0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:23.240
<v Speaker 1>Sure, it's pulling.

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Some of that warmer air in and up and out

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:26.480
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Right, and even air that it's warming through convection, like

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:35.639
<v Speaker 1>that's being irradiated out of the fireplace. Yeah, it's being

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:40.119
<v Speaker 1>sucked in. And as a result again that when that

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.160
<v Speaker 1>air is sucked into the fire and has pushed up

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the flu through the chimney, it's got to be replaced.

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>It's creating what's called a negative pressurization, right, Yes, and

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 1>that means that air wants to come in and replace

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the air that's being sucked out and up the chimney.

0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 1>So cold there from outside is being drawn in, which

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is how like you said before windows, Right, sure, but

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.879
<v Speaker 1>the fire can actually make your house even colder because

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.840
<v Speaker 1>it's pushing the warm air out through the fireplace and

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:10.959
<v Speaker 1>sucking in cold air from the outside.

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not it says here, here's a stat

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:19.639
<v Speaker 2>that said that a traditional fireplace can draw four to

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 2>ten times as much air from the room that it

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.200
<v Speaker 2>needs to actually burn that fire.

0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something like five hundred cubic leaders of air a minute.

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So compare that to like the smart fireplace aka

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the woodburning stove.

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Aka the TV with the fire burning on it.

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, I love a woodburning stove. Man, those are great.

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Do I've never really been into those. Yeah, I got

0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>no problems with them.

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 2>It's not a it doesn't. It's not good for every home.

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Aren't they incredibly dangerous? Like they get super hot? Right,

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>they're really hot, So like if you fell onto one

0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.879
<v Speaker 1>or something, you'd be in big trouble. Right, Yeah, you

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>don't put the skateboard next to it, okay, the banana

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>peel okay, step one. But and you know you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to have like a super modern house with a

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 1>wood burning stove, Like it's a little more charming in

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 1>your cabin or something. Actually, I was looking through I

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 1>think a Popular Mechanics or something. I had different types

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>of stoves with stoves, and there are some that are

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of mod Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's cool. Yeah, so they're trying to bring it

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<v Speaker 2>into the future. Yes, well, they're remarkably efficient. How much

0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:33.600
<v Speaker 2>did you say, five hundred.

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Five hundred cubic leaders I believe of air a minute

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>is sucked into a fireplace the average fireplace.

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>And only twenty for a wood burning stove.

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty efficient.

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.959
<v Speaker 2>So they're super hot, you can cook onto, you can

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 2>boil your water and do all sorts of things.

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Sure you know, s don't touch it. No.

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I think the Rendazo's had one in their place in Connecticut.

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, and I think it supposedly worked super well,

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 2>like it'll heat a room and then some yeah you know.

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, and the reason why is because it's it's like

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a contained fireplace, but it's not.

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Just wide open.

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 1>It's out in the open.

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but I mean you shut the door to it.

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Right, You shut the door to it, so you're saving

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the warm air around it from being sucked in, right, correct.

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>And then it's also removed from the interior of the

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.880
<v Speaker 1>wall so that it can heat on all sides.

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 2>It's right up there, so you can fall on it.

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Sure, and then the flu itself can go up and

0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>then out of the room so that the hot gas

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>that's being carried out can heat the air in the

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:40.159
<v Speaker 1>room around it.

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 2>So you've got that stove pipe.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've got a lot of a lot of different

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>ways the air is being warmed in your house by

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>a wood stove.

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna look into these new ones.

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>There's new ones. There's also like very there's some famous

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>ones that are like mid century design that are super

0:25:56.119 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>mid sweetish ones, and then there's like there's ones that

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>look kind of like the traditional ones, but they're they're

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>newly built and like they're improved designs.

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Remember the old seventies fireplaces that were uh like orange

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>metal that would sit.

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 1>On the Swedish one I'm talking about.

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, it's based on that old old seventies.

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Look, No, that's the one I'm talking about, is the seventies.

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, Yeah, there's newer ones too, gotcha, But that

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the iconic orange one. Yeah that's yeah.

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like my friend, one friend in high school, Chris Bouten,

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 2>had the most seventies house is there, right? Oh dude,

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it was wonderful. Yeah, Like it was the Orange fireplace surround,

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>like built in a terrarium set to deal with plants

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.199
<v Speaker 2>and rocks and things. I think there might have been

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:50.719
<v Speaker 2>a little fake waterfall, was there. Oh I'm sure there

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 2>was macrome at some point, but it was just it

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 2>had one of those sunken living rooms. Oh, I like those,

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, and looking back now like it's super cool,

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>like mod house like people now would be like, oh

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>my god, it's preserved in time. It's the greatest thing ever. Right,

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>Like his hit a water but of course, but one

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>of his walls, his entire wall was like a blown

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>up photograph of like a Hawaiian sunset.

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, we had a couple of those in our in

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 1>our house. Not not a Hawaiian sunset, but we had

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>like a forest with a waterfall going through it, and

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>then in our kitchen a forest mural no no water.

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 2>That's very ice storm. Yeah.

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I've not seen that movie, but I can imagine because

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that was seventies, right, seventies.

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean like key parties are happening and people

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 2>are drinking eggnog around the Orange lacquer to fireplace. It's

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:46.120
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful time.

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>But let's say you have just the regular, regular old

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>fireplace to start.

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you want to drink.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 1>You come across it, you say, what, what the heck

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>is this thing? What do I do?

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 1>The first thing you do is you log on to

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the internet and go to how stuff Works and look

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>up how to operate a fireplace? Because how stuff works

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>has you covered? Man?

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the only thing I could say this

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>would probably be good for is if you've never literally

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>never started a fire. But it seems like common knowledge

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to me.

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some details in there that I don't know.

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Like hardwoods, right, you don't want to burn pine or

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 1>any soft wood. Okay, you want your hardwoods like hickory,

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>ash oak, ye kind of stuff, and you want it seasoned.

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>That's the key.

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You can't go cut down a tree in your

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 2>yard and chop it up and burn it the next

0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 2>week because it will smoke and you'll see literally, I

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 2>mean when I go camping, we get rooked all the

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>time on firewood purchases. Oh yeah, and we sit down

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>for the evening, throw the wood on there, and you

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 2>just start hearing the sizzle and you see the water

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>just literally boiling out of it, and we're just like,

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>oh man, well, well okay, that roadside guy, I'm going

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to go back.

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Here's here's how you got to test it right there

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>in front of the guy and watch him squirm. Take

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>two logs, yeah, and you knock them together, and what

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you're looking for is a hollow sound, no thud, hollow sound.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Then you know it's season.

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But he would go like, city boy, you know

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>this is North Georgia, lob lolly pine. You don't know

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about.

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>You'd say, well, pines of soft food. I want hardwoods.

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Where's the hardwoods? I went to college.

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Get off my property and leave the boiled peanuts.

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>You'd say, I'm going to take half of the boiled

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>peanuts for my time.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like we always get wet wood. But

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 2>at least six months you want that wood drying out.

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 2>They say a full year. What you're looking for is

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty percent moisture level by the time you're burning it. Right.

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>You could also put in a moisture level, temperature or

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>moisture indicator in the end.

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go that you buy in the big city.

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>But you're right. You look at the ends of the

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>wood too, and you'll see that it's cracked and split.

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It's usually dark like gray. It just looked, it looks aged.

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>But the dead giveaway is the hollow thud sound.

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna I didn't know that, so I'm gonna

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>try that.

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>The hollow thud or I'm sorry, the hollow sound, not

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the thud. Right, Yeah, that's what you're looking for. So

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you take your fire, or you take your wood, you

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 1>put it on your fire grate. Although so this is

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 1>a component of the fireplace, it's not an actual part

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>of it.

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>The fire grade is like this iron stand. It's a

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>great There's really no other way to describe it, although

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>some fire officionados suggest that you should use what are

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>called and irons. Yeah, I like grates, which are well

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>an and iron is basically a great missing the great

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>part in the middle. It's basically these two stands, a

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>pair of stands that go in the fireplace, and it

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>holds the logs.

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Aloft, yes, until they burn through.

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>The grate does the same thing, except it keeps burning

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>like embers on the grid. A little more. The reason

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>why people are like and irons are great is because,

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>however you have it a great or an and iron.

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>You want to keep a bed of embers going, yeah,

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>because that is going to eventually become hot enough that

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>you could throw anything on there and it'll start to

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>catch fire.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 1>So when you take your split logs, you put them

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>on your grate or your and irons, put a little

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>kindling beneath them, which is like thinner wood that will

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 1>catch fire easily. Light it on fire. Oh I forgot first,

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>you want to pour about half a liter of kerosene

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>on this noke sure that it starts.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>You do not?

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh did I misspeak?

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 2>That is just a joke. Kids. You don't ever want

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>to use any sort of lighter fluid, first of glass,

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that to start an indoor fire.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Kids, you should not be starting a fire in the

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>first place, so stop right now. Yes, this is for

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>grown ups, that's right. But you do want to use

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>something like, I don't know, newspaper, just a piece of

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>paper to light the kindling. But no, you don't want

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>to use any sort of accelerant.

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, people don't get newspapers anymore, so you can just

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>light your kindle or your iPad right, throw that in there.

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure, instead it'll ill start, but that kindeling is gonna catch,

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and if your wood is seasoned, it'll catch too. And

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden you got a fire.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you may want to adjust that damper a little

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>bit just to keep your air flowed how you want

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>it right.

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>And then and again when you are when you're when

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>you have a fire going, one of the two main

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>things you're trying to do in addition to not burn

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>down your house is to keep the smoke from coming

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.320
<v Speaker 1>back in the room. And sometimes that's easier said than done,

0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>because every house has something called a neutral pressure plane. Okay,

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>So above the neutral pressure plane, the air is pressurized,

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so it wants to push air out, and below it

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>air is the The pressure inside the house is lower,

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>so air wants to be sucked in. So as long

0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>as you're your fireplace, your chimney above that neutral pressure plane,

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be okay, the air is gonna want to

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>go in. If it so happens that the air around

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>your fireplace is a higher pressure, then the air is

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>actually going to be pushed down the chimney, into the

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>firebox and out into the room, which is no good.

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>But You can solve it pretty easily by just opening

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a window and allowing air to come in or go out.

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Depending or have eight ninety year old windows.

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Right where you don't have to worry about it at

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>all to do any because the air just flows through freely.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>So if you want to you know, we're talking about

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>how inefficient they are. If you want to improve that efficiency,

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>there are a couple of cool things you can do.

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>One is called a tubular grate, and that is exactly

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 2>what you think it is. Instead of just a great

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.239
<v Speaker 2>made of solid iron at the bottom, it is a

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>bit of a cage. It looks like sort of like

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the motorcycle exhaust pipes and things, so you know, it's

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.959
<v Speaker 2>just there tubular. So it's going to draw in the

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>cool air in the bottom of the tubes, and then

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 2>it's going to rise and then loop back around and

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>shoot out the top of the tubes into your room.

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it should work in theory, but remember if

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>your fireplace is working properly, it's sucking air from the

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 1>room into the fire to fuel it and then shooting

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 1>it out the chimney. So this air that's being warmed

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>could be sucked right back into the fire, that's right.

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>But if you have it so that the tubular grate

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>is enclosed by some doors, but the ends of the

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>grate can go out into the room, Bam, you're set.

0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that a thing? Yeah, I haven't seen that.

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:46.919
<v Speaker 2>There's another thing called a well, this is what when

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Emily's parents have moved to Georgia now, but when they

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>lived in Ohio, they had one of these recirculators that

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>was a fan. Basically, you would turn on a switch

0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and it would literally blow heat from kind of underneath

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the grate back out into the room. And it worked

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>really well, but it always seemed to blow a little

0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>stink out with it. Stink, you know, fire stink.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah.

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean you couldn't see smoke pouring out of it

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 2>or anything, but.

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>It was still affecting your respiratory.

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it didn't affect me so much, but

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:27.879
<v Speaker 2>I could tell what it was happening. Like every recirculator

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen or been around has kind of had

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the same deal. To me. Yeah, whether it's gas only

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, it always just seems to have this. But

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm very sensitive to odors anyway, so maybe

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>that has something to do with that, I don't know.

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm a super smeller, all right, a super smeller.

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>What do you smell right now?

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I smell nol like three three rooms over.

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you are a super smeller because we are hermetically

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>sealed in here.

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.959
<v Speaker 2>Not true. And then those glass doors you talked about,

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>it's another way to increase efficiency. But you're also going

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 2>to literally just cut down on the heat that gets

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>into the room as much as fifty.

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's not a lot that you can do to

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.240
<v Speaker 1>have a dramatic impact on the efficiency of the fire.

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 1>For the most part, it's going to lose more heat

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>than it puts out. You just want to hope that

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 1>you're you can warm your the room you're in right

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the fire enough so that you don't mind.

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Or if you're just after the esthetic, then yeah,

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>good for you.

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>You mean. And I lived in a place where we

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 1>had a fireplace for a couple of years.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>We were hooked on it, yeah, hooked on its yeah.

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah yeah, and we could get that that room

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>like hot.

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know, toasty.

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>If you keep a fire going long enough, that's the key. Yeah,

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you just have to waste more woid than you can imagine.

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>All right, well we'll take another little quickie break here

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and we'll come back and talk about some more options

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and a very depressing history of child labor. All right, Josh,

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 2>we've been talking about wood a lot, because it's clearly

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 2>the superior fireplace.

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Seriously, but you.

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Can you can get the old gas fake log fireplace

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 2>these days. My mom made the switch. It's fake logs

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 2>pretty good these days.

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>So wait a minute, Wait a minute. She had a

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 1>wood burning fireplace and had a gas insert put in.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, wow, okay, So because she had a like I

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>had growing up to the gas starter, so you would

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 2>light the gas, throw the wood on, get it going,

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>turn the gas off, gotcha. So she just retrofitted it.

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Actually I did it my brother, into full gas with

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the fake logs. That they look good these days. You know,

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 2>you can arrange them in yourself in a way that

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>looks aesthetically pleasing.

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, they don't come in that mound that's shaped to

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:22.919
<v Speaker 1>look like three logs laying on top of each other.

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>No, it's come a long way, I'll say that.

0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Don't They have beds of embers now too, Yeah, and

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 1>all that they catch the little flickery glow yep, what

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>is it.

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>They've come a long way with trying to simulate that.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Look, pika, pika, pika.

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what that is.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like the Japanese word for that, like the little

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>tinkling glow. I don't know I'm saying it wrong, but

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a throwback. I said it wrong on some other

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>episode years back.

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh you talking about pretty pretty?

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, but that's something different. Yeah, we'll have to

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>go back and find it. They We'll just say this

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>whole part out.

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So the gas logs covering the gas vent, you're going

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 2>to burn that fire behind glass, it's going to give

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 2>off radiant and convected heat. You're probably gonna have a air

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>not recycler what I call it exchanger air exchanger. They

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>are working as well.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And one of the reasons it's so much more

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>efficient is because it doesn't require any air from inside

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>your room. Yeah, it draws air through a pipe from

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 1>the outdoors because it requires much less, right, Yeah, So

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to take any of that warmed air

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's warming for itself to burn. It's just going

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to say you keep it. I'm gas. I'm super efficient.

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I love you in ways that wood could never imagine.

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true.

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Wood is dirty and bumbling, And why do you love

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>wood so much more than me? I'm gas.

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 2>So if you're getting a new house, you're probably gonna

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:08.280
<v Speaker 2>have a gas fireplace. If you're getting a fireplace added

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to a home, it's probably going to be a gas fireplace.

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Sure that's the direction they're steering you these days. Yeah,

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I would guess because gas.

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I would guess you're you're going to pay significantly more

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>for a wood burning fireplace to be built into your

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>new house than a gas one. You think, yeah, probably

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:29.319
<v Speaker 1>just because so I'll bet there's relatively few, especially down

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>below the Mason Dixon line, relatively few builders who know

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>how to put in a wood burning fireplace.

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to find a builder from nineteen seventy.

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Three, basically. Yeah, and he's gonna want to give you

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.799
<v Speaker 1>one of those orange modern jobs that you're like, yeah,

0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>this is cool, but no, I want like the real thing.

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like, this is real. So they're very efficient

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to these gas fireplaces. Sure, the gas burns cleanly. They

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:59.439
<v Speaker 2>even have them that are event free. But people also say,

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, what if your house is not like Chucks,

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and it is actually pretty tight call it and sealed up. Yeah,

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>then they can actually deplete oxygen or moisture can build up.

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 2>So the jury's still out somewhat on these gas fires.

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I say the jury is in. Yeah, and I'm the jury,

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and I say, event free fireplace is a stupid idea.

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.280
<v Speaker 1>It's pumping carbon dioxide into your house.

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's never good. You would think, Yeah,

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 2>you can get an ethanol fireplace.

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>This one seems like Okay, you've seen them before, right,

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.280
<v Speaker 1>like if you go to a Marriotte courtyard or something

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 1>like that. Yeah, they'll have like the chair situated around

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a table with a fireplace in the middle of the table.

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, it's nuts. Yeah, it's just blurting ethanol.

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 2>The flame is actually cold.

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>It's basically like right, it's basically like a sterno fireplace. Yeah,

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>you know if you want to light your fon due

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>pod or something like that from beneath. Yeah, it's the

0:41:58.360 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>same thing, I think.

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, virtually, and then you can get the woe unto

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 2>you if you opt for the electric fireplace.

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's some now where you can get like an

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>entertainment center. Yeah, with like a TV and then beneath

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.800
<v Speaker 1>it a fake electric fireplace. Yeah, it's cool.

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:25.400
<v Speaker 2>So an electric fireplace has no fire. It is a

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 2>heater and it you know, it simulates the look of

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>a fire if you're four years old in squinting, if

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>you're a squinty four year old, right, but you know,

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 2>we don't want to yuck someone's youm So if that's

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 2>your bag, then more power to you. It's just not

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>for me.

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I have to take issue though with this article. It

0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>says that it's emission free. It's a mission free on

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the user end, right, still electricity, which means it's producing

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 1>emissions at the cold fire power plant that's producing that electricity.

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is.

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Don't be fooled if you're like, oh, it's a mission.

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Free Nope, no, oh we're gonna yuck that yum. Safety wise,

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 2>gotta watch out for those sparks. If you've got carpet

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>around or hardwoods, I reckon.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, keep your bag of oily rags away from the fireplace. Yeah,

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a big one.

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Don't put you might want to fire extinguisher, but don't

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>put it in the fireplace, right itself.

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Carbon monoxide investing in a carbon monoxide detector is worthwhile.

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be like a smart carbon monoxide detector,

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>although get one of those if you want. I'm just saying,

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 1>if you're using a wood burning fireplace, at the very

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>least get yourself a cheap but decent carbon monoxide detector. Yeah,

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 1>get smoke Detector's not quite enough.

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you have to have those now. Isn't

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 2>that the new code?

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I haven't read the zoning codes in

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a while. Building codes.

0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:53.399
<v Speaker 2>You should take a look. This is one of those

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of once a year things. If you know what

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>you're doing, you can at least get a flashlight and

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of look everything over if there's anything obvious, like

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:04.320
<v Speaker 2>if your flute cap is no longer on your chimney

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 2>hurricane hit. Yeah, if they're big cracks or anything.

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.439
<v Speaker 1>So what's wrong with yours? Cracks? Like your house would

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>catch on fire.

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>All I know is the guy did a lot of like.

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he just wasn't feeling it that day.

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 2>No, you didn't put on a good show. He came

0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:30.280
<v Speaker 2>over because he is in Their specialty is old houses

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and old fireplaces. So I thought this guy's going to

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh great, this is what I do. He

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 2>acted like he didn't want to do the job right,

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's not a lot of work. Man. You're gonna

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 2>have to fix your chimney on the inside and it's

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 2>cracked here. And he got this, and he got that.

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.839
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, it's that's what you advertised. You

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 2>fix old situations.

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, have you? You should bring somebody else out.

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't like that guy. Yeah, you're gonna bring

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 2>out someone with some little moxie.

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>But you do. Even if you think that your fireplace

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>is doing great, it pays to pay somebody to come

0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 1>out and look at it inside.

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Like, is it too much to ask for a little

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 2>energy from your fireplace guy, a little wow factor?

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:13.759
<v Speaker 1>Maybe?

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you're correct. You do need a pro every now

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and then to come out there. Called chimney sweeps. Yeah,

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and kreosot is something if you look up creoso cr

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 2>e soote online, it sort of looks like black lava

0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 2>built up on the inside of your chimney.

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Right and it itself could catch fire. Yeah, and you

0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>have a chimney fire in which case, and it sounds

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a little counterintuitive, like, well, there's fire going through it

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Fire going through it is much different

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>from fire, like your chimney being on fire itself.

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:49.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good.

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>And if your chimney's on fire, your house can catch

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.479
<v Speaker 1>fire fairly easy, especially if you have cracks in there,

0:45:55.880 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>because it goes and all of a sudden some pressure

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>treated two by four, where it's like, oh.

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to burn that pressure treated to by

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 2>four by the way, as would Yeah. I don't think

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>we mentioned that. One thing you can burn though, which

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't use. But it's a called a chimney sweep

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 2>log or a creosote log, and it's just a special log.

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:24.680
<v Speaker 2>It's sort of like a dura flame. It's a prefab log,

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.479
<v Speaker 2>it's a chemical log, but it's supposed to break down

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:28.359
<v Speaker 2>that creosote.

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I don't know.

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Something about that made me my radar went off like

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's the best way to do things. Yeah,

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 2>don't have any proof, but I hear chemical log that

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>knocks that creosote loose, and it just didn't sound like

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the smart approach.

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, even the the Chimney Safety Institute of America says no, no, like, yeah,

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.240
<v Speaker 1>those things kind of work, but you want like actual

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 1>scrubbing of the interior of your chimney, yes, which is

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:56.799
<v Speaker 1>what chimney sweeps did.

0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:46:57.840 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Man, if you want you want moxie in your chimney sweep,

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you go to somebody's parents and say, I want to

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:07.560
<v Speaker 1>buy your four year old boy and make my chimney

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:08.240
<v Speaker 1>sweep slave.

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean earlier we teased and promised the child

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 2>labor horror show. And that's pretty much what things were

0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:25.720
<v Speaker 2>like in jolly old England after sixteen sixty six, second September, sorry,

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.760
<v Speaker 2>fifth September technically. Yeah, the Great Fire of London changed

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things, and one of them was chimneys

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:33.879
<v Speaker 2>were a little bit narrow and they had a lot

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.800
<v Speaker 2>more rules as far as how clean you had to

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.359
<v Speaker 2>keep them. And so, like you said, what you would

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 2>do is you would can't put an adult up there. No,

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 2>not really, but you can't put a five year old

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:48.240
<v Speaker 2>boy or four.

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I think is the youngest I saw them doing.

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you would literally buy child from a poor person, right,

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>stick this boy up in there. They were your quote

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 2>unquote apprentice, which basically was child.

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Slave, unpaid child labor zero dollars right, and actually chimney

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>sweeping at the time, So after the Great Fire of

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>London in sixteen sixty six. I believe it was mandated

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>by the Queen or Parliament or somebody that everybody needed

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>their chimneys like kept up with. So chimney sweeps became

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 1>a thing, but they actually swept chimneys free. It was

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.359
<v Speaker 1>a free service. The way that chimney sweeps made their

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>money was from the soot that they gathered. They would

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 1>sell it as fertilizer.

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh authorugh, you're gonna say sponsorships, Like they would show

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>up like their Chevy Tahoe dracket or something.

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 1>It is like nothing gets your chimney clean, like son

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 1>of a gun by stp.

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:47.080
<v Speaker 2>So they would stick these kids in there. Sometimes they

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 2>would literally light a fire under their butt to make

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 2>them work faster. The kids would shimmy and distort their

0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 2>body to shimmy in this little eighteen inch wide chimney

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 2>and ship loose this creosote and soot that would then

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 2>because they're working above their head, would fall all over them.

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:12.720
<v Speaker 2>They would take a bath once a week, maybe once

0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.760
<v Speaker 2>every month, maybe once every two or three months, depending

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.800
<v Speaker 2>on who you're asking. Yeah, so these children are literally

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>not I mean, if they survived this experience at all.

0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to live past middle age.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So what you just described was a good day. Yeah,

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 1>there were all sorts of other horrible maladies that could

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 1>come about deformation of their skeletons. Because these kids are

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like four, five, six, eight, ten, twelve years old, they're

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to grow, they're still developing, but they're spending like

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 1>hours upon hours every day in these cramped chimneys. So

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>they're bones, especially the bones in their ankles and knees,

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:52.919
<v Speaker 1>tended to grow in a deformed way.

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable.

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:57.920
<v Speaker 1>There's something the first industrial length cancer ever identified is

0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>called chimney sweeps cancer.

0:49:59.400 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>People call it scrotal carcinoma.

0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where the.

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Scrotum was irritated by soot and it would produce warts,

0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and these warts, if they went untreated, would turn into

0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a carcinoma, which eventually if it was if it wasn't

0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 1>cut out, would the tumor would grow into the testes

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and then into the abdomen. And it was a very

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.360
<v Speaker 1>very painful way to die. Kids like twelve years of

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 1>age were dying of scrotal cancer from this.

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you get up pre dawn, you work till the nighttime. Hours,

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 2>three hundred and sixty four days a year. The one

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 2>day that these kids would get off was May Day,

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 2>International Labor Day. They would sleep then. You know we

0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 2>said they collected that ash and soot and sold it.

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:51.040
<v Speaker 2>They would store all the stuff in sacks and the

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>kids would then sleep in those rooms, still ingesting all

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.720
<v Speaker 2>this stuff in the air, and quite often they would

0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 2>literally get stuck and die in these chimneys.

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Here here's the part where I started to hyperventilate just

0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 1>thinking about this.

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 2>From claustrophobia.

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's like this thing called positional asphyxia. There's actually

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a pretty interesting Vice article called like a Brief History

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of people getting stuck in chimneys, and they actually illustrate

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:21.800
<v Speaker 1>how positional asphyxia happens using the Grinch. As he's going

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>down the chimney, his feet start to get above his

0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.200
<v Speaker 1>head and all of a sudden he's stuck. You can't

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.800
<v Speaker 1>get out of that position. This would happen to real

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:35.399
<v Speaker 1>live English boys and American too, apparently, who would get

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>stuck in the chimneys that they were cleaning out and

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 1>would die there because they would asphixiate their abdomen couldn't

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 1>take in breaths any longer.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:46.799
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 1>It happened a lot, and actually, finally it happened enough

0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.319
<v Speaker 1>times that Parliament started to get involved. They first got

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.839
<v Speaker 1>involved in seventeen eighty eight with the Chimney Sweeps Act

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and they said, you know what, this is crazy. You

0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:00.879
<v Speaker 1>guys are buying four year old kid. You can't do that.

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Chimney sweeps can be no younger than eight.

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:08.120
<v Speaker 1>That was their first stab at reform, right.

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and obviously this is child labor was a lot

0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 2>different back then as far as how we thought about

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>when kids should work.

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Right, but or the idea of childhood hadn't even come

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 1>about yet.

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but even so, even for a time where it

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.239
<v Speaker 2>was believed that children should put forth an effort and

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 2>work like four and five year old kids, it's just ridiculous.

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure. Right. They also added though, that if you are

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 1>a master of a chimney sweep, you have to make

0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>sure that they are allowed to go to church on Sundays.

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>That was the other part of the seventeen eighty eight Act. Right.

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Then in the eighteen forty Act they up the age

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.879
<v Speaker 1>to twenty one, which was significant, but apparently it wasn't

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 1>really enforced until eighteen seventy five when this one kid

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>died and he was basically the straw that broke the

0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:52.760
<v Speaker 1>camel's back for the public.

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. His name was George Brewster, and he worked for

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a gentleman by the name of William Weyer. And I

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 2>say gentlemen, what I mean is a scumbag. And he

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:06.399
<v Speaker 2>was cleaning a hospital, chimney Fullborn Hospital, and he got

0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>stuck and the great efforts were made to rescue him.

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.120
<v Speaker 2>They actually pulled down a wall to try and get

0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>to him. He died and Wires actually found guilty of manslaughter.

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:20.200
<v Speaker 2>And his death was really a big awareness jolt for everybody,

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>and it became part of the campaign and that was

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 2>pretty much the end of using kids. You know. He

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 2>was apparently the last child to die in a chimney

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 2>in England.

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.279
<v Speaker 1>In England, I guess in the US they kept using

0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:34.040
<v Speaker 1>him for a while.

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 2>So shameful really.

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Now, if you see a chimney sweep tell a four

0:53:39.520 --> 0:53:41.600
<v Speaker 1>year old to go up in the chimney, you called

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:44.879
<v Speaker 1>police because that is illegal these days, no matter where

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you live. Yeah, okay, let's all agree to that.

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else? No fireplaces? Just in time for

0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the fall.

0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's in November here in Atlanta and in

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the mid eighties, so right, ready to get that fireplace going?

0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 1>That's right. If you want to know more about fireplaces,

0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>including how to light and fire, you can go find

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that out by typing fireplace in the search bart house

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff forks. And since I said search bar, it's time

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 1>for listener mail, I'm gonna call.

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:20.320
<v Speaker 2>This grammar Police. Hey, guys, regular listener for quite some time,

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I finally become angered or inspired enough to write in

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 2>about something. I use the sandwich technique proposed by Chuck recently,

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, and I was listening to an older

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:34.560
<v Speaker 2>episode Does a Body Replace Itself? In You guys were

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>talking about emails from the Grammar Police. Grammar only has

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 2>strict rules to those who decided that it needed strict rules.

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 2>As a society, we have a rather dramatic ebb and

0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.880
<v Speaker 2>flow of grammar rules. There's no one entity decide to

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 2>decide upon the rules, and therefore there's no real right

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:56.280
<v Speaker 2>or wrong. You can almost consider it like a fashion

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<v Speaker 2>in a way. We can all generally agree that double

0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:01.799
<v Speaker 2>negatives are wrong, much like we can all agree that

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:06.400
<v Speaker 2>socks and sandals are wrong. And yet some will still

0:55:06.480 --> 0:55:08.880
<v Speaker 2>use them or wear them without a problem. As long

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 2>as we can understand each other and the quote incorrect

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. Grammar does not take away from the meaning

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:16.560
<v Speaker 2>of your words, and it should not matter. There are

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 2>different times in which proper grammar is necessary and scrutinized,

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and then there are times when it frankly does not matter.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a huge debate in the grammar world, the

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:29.520
<v Speaker 2>few but mighty, she points out, about whether we should

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<v Speaker 2>be prescriptivists or descriptivists when it comes to the rules

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<v Speaker 2>of grammar. It's a constantly evolving topic and arguably grammar

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 2>is a constantly evolving entity. Just thought i'd share my

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.760
<v Speaker 2>thoughts in hopes that you wouldn't get down on yourselves

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<v Speaker 2>from the grammar police. And yes, feel free to pick

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.880
<v Speaker 2>apart my email for grammar errors. Nice happy face. That

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<v Speaker 2>is from Colleen Zaker, an English teacher and grammar enthusiasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks a lot, Colleen. We appreciate that big time. We

0:55:57.120 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 1>always love to hear support from people who are like,

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 1>don't listen to that. Yeah, yeah, if you want to

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 1>get in touch of this, like Colleen did, is it

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<v Speaker 1>Colleen sure? Who cares? Actually I don't know goes either way.

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