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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Josh and for this week's select, I've

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Speaker 1: chosen our warm and Cozy twenty sixteen episode on Fireplaces,

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Speaker 1: just in time for Christmas. I hope you have your

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Speaker 1: wastle handy or some eggnog or a nice glass of

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Speaker 1: water if that's what suits you, and I'd like you

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Speaker 1: to settle in with a cozy blanket and listen to

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Speaker 1: this crackling episode of Stuff you Should Know. Happy Holidays,

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerome the Jayres. So this

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Speaker 1: is stuff you should Know.

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Speaker 2: Jerry got a piece of mail the other day that

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Speaker 2: said Jerome. Oh yeah, yeah, like real mail though, right, Jerry. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh like mail, not like fan mail.

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Speaker 2: Oh little Jerry just said confirmed.

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Speaker 1: Weird.

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Speaker 2: We've been doing a lot of this Jerry translating lately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really weird. That's bizarre. I mean, I sold

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Speaker 1: your address to a mailing list, but I've never been

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Speaker 1: reimbursed for it.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Great?

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Speaker 2: We are fresh off our live shows in Boston, mass

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Speaker 2: MA and h Washington, DC, and big thanks to everyone

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Speaker 2: that came out. Those were a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. And thanks to the Brightest Young Things

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Speaker 1: for having us to the Benson Ball with Tig Nataro.

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Speaker 2: And yeah that it was wonderful we got to meet Tick.

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Speaker 2: She was just as nice and nonplussed as I would

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Speaker 2: have hoped exactly. She didn't make a fuss. No, nor

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Speaker 2: should she. Wait, I mean that in a good way. Wait.

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Speaker 1: Is it non plus the opposite of what you think

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think non plus means like you're you're agitated, means

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd learned things all the time on this show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: Your favorite part of my job.

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Speaker 1: And most specifically, the most recent thing I've learned, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: is that fire, the use of fire, the technological application

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Speaker 1: of fire, that's as far as I'm going actually predates humanity.

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Speaker 1: That it was Homo erectus who was the first upright

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Speaker 1: hominid who controlled fire, and it was as long ago

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it says here in this article that you found

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Speaker 2: million years ago that people and these are in caves,

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Speaker 2: so essentially indoor fireplace. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But and if you are an anthropologist, you are

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Speaker 1: familiar with the term hearth, but that's usually used to

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Speaker 1: something else to keep it from catching fire, but nothing

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Speaker 1: like the fireplaces we know of today. The ones we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the history of the chimney isn't

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, yeah, people started to afford chimneys quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: There was a especially in say jolly old London, there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't happy about it.

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Speaker 1: A lot of problems that arose, as we'll see later on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, it's kind of interesting to see the fireplace

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of changed. I don't know, it depends what.

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Speaker 2: It depends what your definition have changed.

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Speaker 1: A hole in the wall with a hole above it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, within that there have been a lot of changing.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, but the overall general design has been relatively

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not as straight as they used to be.

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Speaker 1: Sure, he very famously wrote that on the back of

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Speaker 2: But fireplaces used to get under his skin, apparently because

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Speaker 2: the design, and we're going to talk about this, the

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Speaker 2: traditional fireplace is fairly wasteful.

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Speaker 2: And it can even make your room colder, yes, which

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Speaker 2: The non plus means you're agitated. Well, it means it

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Speaker 2: No, so tick. Natara was not nonplussed. She was not

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Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect like some big show trust me from

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Speaker 2: No, I got exactly what I wanted, which was a

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Speaker 2: I'm sensitive to that stuff. Once I started opening my

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Speaker 2: mouth digging that hole. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Here's a little more rope.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let me give you a stat here.

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Speaker 2: I was super excited. Can you tell how was she?

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Speaker 2: So here's a little stat for you. The National Association

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Speaker 2: It doesn't name the year, but it sounds recent. People

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, remember I don't remember what episode it was,

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Speaker 2: Not does ghosh mean what I think it means now

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Speaker 1: It means super laid back and non plus.

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Speaker 2: Oh so like New Yorkers like, oh, you have a fireplace.

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Speaker 1: Yes, how not green, right, which I mean they're correct.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of ungreenness associated with fireplace brownness. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially as far as like air pollution goes

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Speaker 1: likely to be living in a house where your folks

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Speaker 1: respiratory distress can be broad on because smoke's going to

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Speaker 2: Is, right, Or if you're let's say, if you already

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I mean like house fires. There's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from directly from fireplaces.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But no matter who you talk to, for

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Speaker 2: So you know my deal or do you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We live in a house that was built in nineteen

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Speaker 2: And we have the fire place that is not used

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Speaker 2: have been leaving just little sticky notes and I'll write

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Speaker 2: things like hey, m how about that fireplace? And she says,

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Speaker 2: quit writing on the walls. We're not getting a fireplace

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Speaker 2: just yet. But maybe you've been there for like ten years.

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Speaker 2: Is when does our life? When do we start living

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Speaker 2: our life? Is my question? With a fireplace, have.

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Speaker 1: You considered trading something she wants for the fireplace.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 1: And have you considered begging?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, I do I wait until

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Speaker 2: she goes out of town and they just do it yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Terrible way, so that somebody, a professionalist to come in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have no choice. You're like, I

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Speaker 1: Now, there's a giant hole in the wall.

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Speaker 2: Long story short, though, we still don't have a fireplace.

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Speaker 2: And I'm still despite all the negatives, and I try

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Speaker 2: to lead a green life, but I just I want

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Speaker 2: that wood burning thing. I don't want. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: the substitutes. But and that's great if you're into that,

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Speaker 2: because they are better in many many ways. Sure, But

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Speaker 2: I just love that wood crackle, the smell. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: want that particulate matter yelling my lungs.

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Speaker 1: You and seventy seven percent of us homeowners yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: most people do say, I'm willing to look past the

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Speaker 1: problems for a wood burning fireplace, But like you say,

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Speaker 1: there are there are all there's alternatives right, But we're

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Speaker 2: Should we talk about the parts?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about this is. This is when I

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Speaker 1: say like there was very little change to the design

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Speaker 2: It's true, man, Yeah, I didn't realize some of these

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Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty much the firebox and the

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Speaker 2: So you do have that hearth that you mentioned that's

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Speaker 1: It's like an apron on the floor that extends out

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Speaker 2: And you could sit on the thing. They're the best.

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Speaker 1: Well, so, you know, like the hearth extends out, but

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Speaker 2: So straw no good, no as a material. You have

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Speaker 1: And this is like where where some improvements were made

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the flu is surrounded by the chimney also

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Speaker 1: In the back rear of the smoke chamber, there's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's concave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you if you look at a fireplace,

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Speaker 2: Right. Well, some of the old designs did well, they

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Speaker 1: Right, So if you go if you look at the

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Speaker 1: You'll see that there's actually a shelf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah there, and it's angled forward too. In front of that.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it used to be just sort of

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Speaker 1: So the whole point of that shelf and the zigzag

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Speaker 1: And it also keeps particulates like soot and stuff from

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Speaker 2: Correct that smoke shelf underneath it, you're going to have

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Speaker 2: the damper, and that is that covering that it's movable,

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Speaker 2: your fire, that's when you close. We used to say

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, but that's technically what it is,

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Speaker 2: But ours had a little little islet circle thing that

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Speaker 2: would just unhook it and then close the damper and

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Speaker 2: that when your fire is not burning. You want to

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Speaker 1: It's like an epiglottis for the fireplace. Sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: and let's got a throat, why not? Sure what else

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Speaker 1: it's unnecessary, oh you think.

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Speaker 1: But then at the very top of the chimney there's

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Speaker 1: air out, but we'll keep little embers and stuff from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially like paper tends to float up and out

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Speaker 2: the chimney cap. It serves the same purpose. And that

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Speaker 2: A lot a lot of times is that it I

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Speaker 2: haven't heard of this ash dump. That sounds pretty neat though.

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Speaker 2: Sure it's basically I guess, a hatch in the floor

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Speaker 2: drop into a bucket below, as would your poop. Sure,

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Speaker 2: And then finally got your little door. It's either you know,

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Speaker 2: We never had in mind growing up. We never had

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Speaker 1: We had one of those in my high school house

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Speaker 1: it was fine, Sure, but I was like, this is

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Speaker 2: All right, Well let's take a break and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: So we're back, Chuck, and we're gonna talk. This would

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Speaker 1: not be an apt episode if we didn't talk about

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Speaker 1: basically the physics of how a fireplace works. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: there are some physics involved. Yeah, pretty impressive ones, if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this article said lighting a fire inside

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Speaker 2: how kind of crazy that is?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And so there are two challenges one not setting your

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Speaker 2: but yeah, never really thought about it, and everything we

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Speaker 1: But then if you get a little more into the

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Speaker 1: different places for air to get in. And that's actually

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Speaker 1: quite necessary for a fireplace.

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Speaker 2: It's quite necessary for living and breathing.

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Speaker 1: Sure, for breathing, it's important for that too, But to

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Speaker 1: which I have before. Sure, if you have air coming

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Speaker 1: And that happens simply because he tends to rise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. You know, one of the places I

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Speaker 2: from closed windows.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got thin windows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have it. We've only readone a few of

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Speaker 2: this coming from? It's going through the glass. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: It's defying the laws of physics.

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Speaker 2: It's freezing near my windows.

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Speaker 1: I remember, you mean I had a house like that

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Speaker 2: It's kind of neat though, to think that twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: and I'm living like a settler basically. Yeah, in parts

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Speaker 2: to talk about the different kinds of heat. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: you've got conduction, convection, and radiation, and fireplaces use convection

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Speaker 2: and radiation, but not conduction, hopefully not conduction.

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Speaker 1: No conduction means your house is catching fire.

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Speaker 2: I means you're literally touching something hot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But conveection, of course, is when that hot air

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the case of the fireplace, it's infrared

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Speaker 1: So when you're warming yourself by a fire, you're you're

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Speaker 1: But there's also convection, yeah, big time and yeah, big times, right.

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Speaker 1: Convection actually makes up most of the way that heat

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Speaker 1: fire is just purposefully being funneled out of the house

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Speaker 2: I think it drove him nuts a little bit looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he really spent a lot of time like

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Speaker 1: These weren't just for like charm, No, No, they were

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Speaker 1: to stay alive. Yeah, and the idea that you were

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean he's dead, right, Like, you've got

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's pulling.

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Speaker 2: Some of that warmer air in and up and out

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Speaker 1: Right, and even air that it's warming through convection, like

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Speaker 1: that's being irradiated out of the fireplace. Yeah, it's being

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Speaker 1: air is sucked into the fire and has pushed up

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00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: the flu through the chimney, it's got to be replaced.

441
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: It's creating what's called a negative pressurization, right, Yes, and

442
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: that means that air wants to come in and replace

443
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: the air that's being sucked out and up the chimney.

444
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: So cold there from outside is being drawn in, which

445
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: is how like you said before windows, Right, sure, but

446
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: the fire can actually make your house even colder because

447
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: it's pushing the warm air out through the fireplace and

448
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 1: sucking in cold air from the outside.

449
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not it says here, here's a stat

450
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: that said that a traditional fireplace can draw four to

451
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: ten times as much air from the room that it

452
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: needs to actually burn that fire.

453
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like five hundred cubic leaders of air a minute.

454
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So compare that to like the smart fireplace aka

455
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: the woodburning stove.

456
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: Aka the TV with the fire burning on it.

457
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: Right, I love a woodburning stove. Man, those are great.

458
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: Do I've never really been into those. Yeah, I got

459
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: no problems with them.

460
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: It's not a it doesn't. It's not good for every home.

461
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 1: Aren't they incredibly dangerous? Like they get super hot? Right,

462
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: they're really hot, So like if you fell onto one

463
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: or something, you'd be in big trouble. Right, Yeah, you

464
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: don't put the skateboard next to it, okay, the banana

465
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: peel okay, step one. But and you know you're not

466
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: going to have like a super modern house with a

467
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: wood burning stove, Like it's a little more charming in

468
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: your cabin or something. Actually, I was looking through I

469
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: think a Popular Mechanics or something. I had different types

470
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: of stoves with stoves, and there are some that are

471
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: kind of mod Oh.

472
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: Well that's cool. Yeah, so they're trying to bring it

473
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: into the future. Yes, well, they're remarkably efficient. How much

474
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: did you say, five hundred.

475
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Five hundred cubic leaders I believe of air a minute

476
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: is sucked into a fireplace the average fireplace.

477
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: And only twenty for a wood burning stove.

478
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty efficient.

479
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 2: So they're super hot, you can cook onto, you can

480
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: boil your water and do all sorts of things.

481
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: Sure you know, s don't touch it. No.

482
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: I think the Rendazo's had one in their place in Connecticut.

483
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and I think it supposedly worked super well,

484
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: like it'll heat a room and then some yeah you know.

485
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: Well, and the reason why is because it's it's like

486
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: a contained fireplace, but it's not.

487
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: Just wide open.

488
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: It's out in the open.

489
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but I mean you shut the door to it.

490
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: Right, You shut the door to it, so you're saving

491
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: the warm air around it from being sucked in, right, correct.

492
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: And then it's also removed from the interior of the

493
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: wall so that it can heat on all sides.

494
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: It's right up there, so you can fall on it.

495
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: Sure, and then the flu itself can go up and

496
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: then out of the room so that the hot gas

497
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: that's being carried out can heat the air in the

498
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: room around it.

499
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: So you've got that stove pipe.

500
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got a lot of a lot of different

501
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: ways the air is being warmed in your house by

502
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: a wood stove.

503
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna look into these new ones.

504
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: There's new ones. There's also like very there's some famous

505
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: ones that are like mid century design that are super

506
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: mid sweetish ones, and then there's like there's ones that

507
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: look kind of like the traditional ones, but they're they're

508
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: newly built and like they're improved designs.

509
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: Remember the old seventies fireplaces that were uh like orange

510
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: metal that would sit.

511
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: On the Swedish one I'm talking about.

512
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: Oh really, it's based on that old old seventies.

513
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: Look, No, that's the one I'm talking about, is the seventies.

514
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Yeah, there's newer ones too, gotcha, But that

515
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: the iconic orange one. Yeah that's yeah.

516
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like my friend, one friend in high school, Chris Bouten,

517
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: had the most seventies house is there, right? Oh dude,

518
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: it was wonderful. Yeah, Like it was the Orange fireplace surround,

519
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: like built in a terrarium set to deal with plants

520
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: and rocks and things. I think there might have been

521
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 2: a little fake waterfall, was there. Oh I'm sure there

522
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: was macrome at some point, but it was just it

523
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: had one of those sunken living rooms. Oh, I like those,

524
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, and looking back now like it's super cool,

525
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: like mod house like people now would be like, oh

526
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: my god, it's preserved in time. It's the greatest thing ever. Right,

527
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: Like his hit a water but of course, but one

528
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: of his walls, his entire wall was like a blown

529
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: up photograph of like a Hawaiian sunset.

530
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: Oh, we had a couple of those in our in

531
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: our house. Not not a Hawaiian sunset, but we had

532
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: like a forest with a waterfall going through it, and

533
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: then in our kitchen a forest mural no no water.

534
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: That's very ice storm. Yeah.

535
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: I've not seen that movie, but I can imagine because

536
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: that was seventies, right, seventies.

537
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like key parties are happening and people

538
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: are drinking eggnog around the Orange lacquer to fireplace. It's

539
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: a wonderful time.

540
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: But let's say you have just the regular, regular old

541
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: fireplace to start.

542
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to drink.

543
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: You come across it, you say, what, what the heck

544
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: is this thing? What do I do?

545
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: Well?

546
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: The first thing you do is you log on to

547
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: the internet and go to how stuff Works and look

548
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: up how to operate a fireplace? Because how stuff works

549
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: has you covered? Man?

550
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the only thing I could say this

551
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: would probably be good for is if you've never literally

552
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: never started a fire. But it seems like common knowledge

553
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: to me.

554
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some details in there that I don't know.

555
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Like hardwoods, right, you don't want to burn pine or

556
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: any soft wood. Okay, you want your hardwoods like hickory,

557
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: ash oak, ye kind of stuff, and you want it seasoned.

558
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: That's the key.

559
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can't go cut down a tree in your

560
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: yard and chop it up and burn it the next

561
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: week because it will smoke and you'll see literally, I

562
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: mean when I go camping, we get rooked all the

563
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: time on firewood purchases. Oh yeah, and we sit down

564
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: for the evening, throw the wood on there, and you

565
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: just start hearing the sizzle and you see the water

566
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: just literally boiling out of it, and we're just like,

567
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: oh man, well, well okay, that roadside guy, I'm going

568
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: to go back.

569
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Here's here's how you got to test it right there

570
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: in front of the guy and watch him squirm. Take

571
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: two logs, yeah, and you knock them together, and what

572
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: you're looking for is a hollow sound, no thud, hollow sound.

573
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: Then you know it's season.

574
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. But he would go like, city boy, you know

575
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: this is North Georgia, lob lolly pine. You don't know

576
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: what you're talking about.

577
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: You'd say, well, pines of soft food. I want hardwoods.

578
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Where's the hardwoods? I went to college.

579
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Get off my property and leave the boiled peanuts.

580
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: You'd say, I'm going to take half of the boiled

581
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: peanuts for my time.

582
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like we always get wet wood. But

583
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: at least six months you want that wood drying out.

584
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: They say a full year. What you're looking for is

585
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: twenty percent moisture level by the time you're burning it. Right.

586
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: You could also put in a moisture level, temperature or

587
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: moisture indicator in the end.

588
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go that you buy in the big city.

589
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: But you're right. You look at the ends of the

590
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: wood too, and you'll see that it's cracked and split.

591
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: It's usually dark like gray. It just looked, it looks aged.

592
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: But the dead giveaway is the hollow thud sound.

593
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna I didn't know that, so I'm gonna

594
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: try that.

595
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: The hollow thud or I'm sorry, the hollow sound, not

596
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: the thud. Right, Yeah, that's what you're looking for. So

597
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: you take your fire, or you take your wood, you

598
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: put it on your fire grate. Although so this is

599
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: a component of the fireplace, it's not an actual part

600
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: of it.

601
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Right.

602
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: The fire grade is like this iron stand. It's a

603
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: great There's really no other way to describe it, although

604
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: some fire officionados suggest that you should use what are

605
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: called and irons. Yeah, I like grates, which are well

606
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: an and iron is basically a great missing the great

607
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: part in the middle. It's basically these two stands, a

608
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: pair of stands that go in the fireplace, and it

609
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: holds the logs.

610
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: Aloft, yes, until they burn through.

611
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: The grate does the same thing, except it keeps burning

612
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: like embers on the grid. A little more. The reason

613
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: why people are like and irons are great is because,

614
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: however you have it a great or an and iron.

615
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: You want to keep a bed of embers going, yeah,

616
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: because that is going to eventually become hot enough that

617
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: you could throw anything on there and it'll start to

618
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: catch fire.

619
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Yea.

620
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: So when you take your split logs, you put them

621
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: on your grate or your and irons, put a little

622
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: kindling beneath them, which is like thinner wood that will

623
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: catch fire easily. Light it on fire. Oh I forgot first,

624
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: you want to pour about half a liter of kerosene

625
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: on this noke sure that it starts.

626
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: You do not?

627
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh did I misspeak?

628
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: That is just a joke. Kids. You don't ever want

629
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: to use any sort of lighter fluid, first of glass,

630
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: or anything like that to start an indoor fire.

631
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Kids, you should not be starting a fire in the

632
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: first place, so stop right now. Yes, this is for

633
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: grown ups, that's right. But you do want to use

634
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: something like, I don't know, newspaper, just a piece of

635
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: paper to light the kindling. But no, you don't want

636
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: to use any sort of accelerant.

637
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Well, people don't get newspapers anymore, so you can just

638
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: light your kindle or your iPad right, throw that in there.

639
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: Sure, instead it'll ill start, but that kindeling is gonna catch,

640
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: and if your wood is seasoned, it'll catch too. And

641
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you got a fire.

642
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you may want to adjust that damper a little

643
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: bit just to keep your air flowed how you want

644
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: it right.

645
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: And then and again when you are when you're when

646
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: you have a fire going, one of the two main

647
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: things you're trying to do in addition to not burn

648
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: down your house is to keep the smoke from coming

649
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: back in the room. And sometimes that's easier said than done,

650
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: because every house has something called a neutral pressure plane. Okay,

651
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: So above the neutral pressure plane, the air is pressurized,

652
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: so it wants to push air out, and below it

653
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: air is the The pressure inside the house is lower,

654
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: so air wants to be sucked in. So as long

655
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: as you're your fireplace, your chimney above that neutral pressure plane,

656
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna be okay, the air is gonna want to

657
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: go in. If it so happens that the air around

658
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: your fireplace is a higher pressure, then the air is

659
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: actually going to be pushed down the chimney, into the

660
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: firebox and out into the room, which is no good.

661
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: But You can solve it pretty easily by just opening

662
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: a window and allowing air to come in or go out.

663
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: Depending or have eight ninety year old windows.

664
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: Right where you don't have to worry about it at

665
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: all to do any because the air just flows through freely.

666
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: So if you want to you know, we're talking about

667
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: how inefficient they are. If you want to improve that efficiency,

668
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: there are a couple of cool things you can do.

669
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: One is called a tubular grate, and that is exactly

670
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: what you think it is. Instead of just a great

671
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 2: made of solid iron at the bottom, it is a

672
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: bit of a cage. It looks like sort of like

673
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: the motorcycle exhaust pipes and things, so you know, it's

674
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 2: just there tubular. So it's going to draw in the

675
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: cool air in the bottom of the tubes, and then

676
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: it's going to rise and then loop back around and

677
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: shoot out the top of the tubes into your room.

678
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it should work in theory, but remember if

679
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: your fireplace is working properly, it's sucking air from the

680
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: room into the fire to fuel it and then shooting

681
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: it out the chimney. So this air that's being warmed

682
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: could be sucked right back into the fire, that's right.

683
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: But if you have it so that the tubular grate

684
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: is enclosed by some doors, but the ends of the

685
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: grate can go out into the room, Bam, you're set.

686
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Oh is that a thing? Yeah, I haven't seen that.

687
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 2: There's another thing called a well, this is what when

688
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: Emily's parents have moved to Georgia now, but when they

689
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: lived in Ohio, they had one of these recirculators that

690
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: was a fan. Basically, you would turn on a switch

691
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: and it would literally blow heat from kind of underneath

692
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: the grate back out into the room. And it worked

693
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: really well, but it always seemed to blow a little

694
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: stink out with it. Stink, you know, fire stink.

695
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.

696
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean you couldn't see smoke pouring out of it

697
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: or anything, but.

698
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: It was still affecting your respiratory.

699
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it didn't affect me so much, but

700
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: I could tell what it was happening. Like every recirculator

701
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: I've ever seen or been around has kind of had

702
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: the same deal. To me. Yeah, whether it's gas only

703
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: or whatever, it always just seems to have this. But

704
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, I'm very sensitive to odors anyway, so maybe

705
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: that has something to do with that, I don't know.

706
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a super smeller, all right, a super smeller.

707
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: What do you smell right now?

708
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: I smell nol like three three rooms over.

709
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: Wow, you are a super smeller because we are hermetically

710
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: sealed in here.

711
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 2: Not true. And then those glass doors you talked about,

712
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: it's another way to increase efficiency. But you're also going

713
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: to literally just cut down on the heat that gets

714
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: into the room as much as fifty.

715
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot that you can do to

716
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: have a dramatic impact on the efficiency of the fire.

717
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: For the most part, it's going to lose more heat

718
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: than it puts out. You just want to hope that

719
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: you're you can warm your the room you're in right

720
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: the fire enough so that you don't mind.

721
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if you're just after the esthetic, then yeah,

722
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: good for you.

723
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: You mean. And I lived in a place where we

724
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: had a fireplace for a couple of years.

725
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

726
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: We were hooked on it, yeah, hooked on its yeah.

727
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, and we could get that that room

728
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: like hot.

729
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, toasty.

730
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: If you keep a fire going long enough, that's the key. Yeah,

731
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: you just have to waste more woid than you can imagine.

732
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: All right, well we'll take another little quickie break here

733
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: and we'll come back and talk about some more options

734
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: and a very depressing history of child labor. All right, Josh,

735
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: we've been talking about wood a lot, because it's clearly

736
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: the superior fireplace.

737
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: Seriously, but you.

738
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: Can you can get the old gas fake log fireplace

739
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: these days. My mom made the switch. It's fake logs

740
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: pretty good these days.

741
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, Wait a minute. She had a

742
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: wood burning fireplace and had a gas insert put in.

743
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: Yes, wow, okay, So because she had a like I

744
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: had growing up to the gas starter, so you would

745
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: light the gas, throw the wood on, get it going,

746
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: turn the gas off, gotcha. So she just retrofitted it.

747
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: Actually I did it my brother, into full gas with

748
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: the fake logs. That they look good these days. You know,

749
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: you can arrange them in yourself in a way that

750
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: looks aesthetically pleasing.

751
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Right, they don't come in that mound that's shaped to

752
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: look like three logs laying on top of each other.

753
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: No, it's come a long way, I'll say that.

754
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: Don't They have beds of embers now too, Yeah, and

755
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: all that they catch the little flickery glow yep, what

756
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: is it.

757
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: They've come a long way with trying to simulate that.

758
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Look, pika, pika, pika.

759
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.

760
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: It's like the Japanese word for that, like the little

761
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: tinkling glow. I don't know I'm saying it wrong, but

762
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: it's a throwback. I said it wrong on some other

763
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: episode years back.

764
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: Oh you talking about pretty pretty?

765
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: No, yeah, but that's something different. Yeah, we'll have to

766
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: go back and find it. They We'll just say this

767
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: whole part out.

768
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: So the gas logs covering the gas vent, you're going

769
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: to burn that fire behind glass, it's going to give

770
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: off radiant and convected heat. You're probably gonna have a air

771
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: not recycler what I call it exchanger air exchanger. They

772
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: are working as well.

773
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the reasons it's so much more

774
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: efficient is because it doesn't require any air from inside

775
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: your room. Yeah, it draws air through a pipe from

776
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: the outdoors because it requires much less, right, Yeah, So

777
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: it's not going to take any of that warmed air

778
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: that it's warming for itself to burn. It's just going

779
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: to say you keep it. I'm gas. I'm super efficient.

780
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: I love you in ways that wood could never imagine.

781
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

782
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Wood is dirty and bumbling, And why do you love

783
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: wood so much more than me? I'm gas.

784
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: So if you're getting a new house, you're probably gonna

785
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: have a gas fireplace. If you're getting a fireplace added

786
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: to a home, it's probably going to be a gas fireplace.

787
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: Sure that's the direction they're steering you these days. Yeah,

788
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I would guess because gas.

789
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: I would guess you're you're going to pay significantly more

790
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: for a wood burning fireplace to be built into your

791
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: new house than a gas one. You think, yeah, probably

792
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: just because so I'll bet there's relatively few, especially down

793
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: below the Mason Dixon line, relatively few builders who know

794
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: how to put in a wood burning fireplace.

795
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to find a builder from nineteen seventy.

796
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: Three, basically. Yeah, and he's gonna want to give you

797
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: one of those orange modern jobs that you're like, yeah,

798
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: this is cool, but no, I want like the real thing.

799
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, this is real. So they're very efficient

800
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: to these gas fireplaces. Sure, the gas burns cleanly. They

801
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 2: even have them that are event free. But people also say,

802
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: you know, what if your house is not like Chucks,

803
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: and it is actually pretty tight call it and sealed up. Yeah,

804
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: then they can actually deplete oxygen or moisture can build up.

805
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: So the jury's still out somewhat on these gas fires.

806
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: I say the jury is in. Yeah, and I'm the jury,

807
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: and I say, event free fireplace is a stupid idea.

808
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: It's pumping carbon dioxide into your house.

809
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's never good. You would think, Yeah,

810
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: you can get an ethanol fireplace.

811
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: This one seems like Okay, you've seen them before, right,

812
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: like if you go to a Marriotte courtyard or something

813
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, they'll have like the chair situated around

814
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: a table with a fireplace in the middle of the table.

815
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: Uh huh, it's nuts. Yeah, it's just blurting ethanol.

816
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: The flame is actually cold.

817
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: It's basically like right, it's basically like a sterno fireplace. Yeah,

818
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: you know if you want to light your fon due

819
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: pod or something like that from beneath. Yeah, it's the

820
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: same thing, I think.

821
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, virtually, and then you can get the woe unto

822
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: you if you opt for the electric fireplace.

823
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: Well, there's some now where you can get like an

824
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: entertainment center. Yeah, with like a TV and then beneath

825
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: it a fake electric fireplace. Yeah, it's cool.

826
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: So an electric fireplace has no fire. It is a

827
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: heater and it you know, it simulates the look of

828
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: a fire if you're four years old in squinting, if

829
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: you're a squinty four year old, right, but you know,

830
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: we don't want to yuck someone's youm So if that's

831
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: your bag, then more power to you. It's just not

832
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: for me.

833
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: I have to take issue though with this article. It

834
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: says that it's emission free. It's a mission free on

835
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: the user end, right, still electricity, which means it's producing

836
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: emissions at the cold fire power plant that's producing that electricity.

837
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.

838
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: Don't be fooled if you're like, oh, it's a mission.

839
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: Free Nope, no, oh we're gonna yuck that yum. Safety wise,

840
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: gotta watch out for those sparks. If you've got carpet

841
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: around or hardwoods, I reckon.

842
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep your bag of oily rags away from the fireplace. Yeah,

843
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: a big one.

844
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: Don't put you might want to fire extinguisher, but don't

845
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: put it in the fireplace, right itself.

846
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Carbon monoxide investing in a carbon monoxide detector is worthwhile.

847
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be like a smart carbon monoxide detector,

848
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: although get one of those if you want. I'm just saying,

849
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: if you're using a wood burning fireplace, at the very

850
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: least get yourself a cheap but decent carbon monoxide detector. Yeah,

851
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: get smoke Detector's not quite enough.

852
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you have to have those now. Isn't

853
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: that the new code?

854
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't read the zoning codes in

855
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: a while. Building codes.

856
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: You should take a look. This is one of those

857
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: kind of once a year things. If you know what

858
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: you're doing, you can at least get a flashlight and

859
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: kind of look everything over if there's anything obvious, like

860
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: if your flute cap is no longer on your chimney

861
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: hurricane hit. Yeah, if they're big cracks or anything.

862
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: So what's wrong with yours? Cracks? Like your house would

863
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: catch on fire.

864
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: All I know is the guy did a lot of like.

865
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: Maybe he just wasn't feeling it that day.

866
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: No, you didn't put on a good show. He came

867
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 2: over because he is in Their specialty is old houses

868
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: and old fireplaces. So I thought this guy's going to

869
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: be like, oh great, this is what I do. He

870
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: acted like he didn't want to do the job right,

871
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: But that's not a lot of work. Man. You're gonna

872
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: have to fix your chimney on the inside and it's

873
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: cracked here. And he got this, and he got that.

874
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's that's what you advertised. You

875
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: fix old situations.

876
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: Right, have you? You should bring somebody else out.

877
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't like that guy. Yeah, you're gonna bring

878
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: out someone with some little moxie.

879
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: But you do. Even if you think that your fireplace

880
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: is doing great, it pays to pay somebody to come

881
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: out and look at it inside.

882
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: Like, is it too much to ask for a little

883
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: energy from your fireplace guy, a little wow factor?

884
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: Maybe?

885
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: Yes, you're correct. You do need a pro every now

886
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: and then to come out there. Called chimney sweeps. Yeah,

887
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: and kreosot is something if you look up creoso cr

888
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: e soote online, it sort of looks like black lava

889
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: built up on the inside of your chimney.

890
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: Right and it itself could catch fire. Yeah, and you

891
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: have a chimney fire in which case, and it sounds

892
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: a little counterintuitive, like, well, there's fire going through it

893
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: all the time. Fire going through it is much different

894
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: from fire, like your chimney being on fire itself.

895
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.

896
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: And if your chimney's on fire, your house can catch

897
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: fire fairly easy, especially if you have cracks in there,

898
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: because it goes and all of a sudden some pressure

899
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: treated two by four, where it's like, oh.

900
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: You don't want to burn that pressure treated to by

901
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: four by the way, as would Yeah. I don't think

902
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: we mentioned that. One thing you can burn though, which

903
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't use. But it's a called a chimney sweep

904
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: log or a creosote log, and it's just a special log.

905
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: It's sort of like a dura flame. It's a prefab log,

906
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 2: it's a chemical log, but it's supposed to break down

907
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: that creosote.

908
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't know.

909
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: Something about that made me my radar went off like

910
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the best way to do things. Yeah,

911
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: don't have any proof, but I hear chemical log that

912
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: knocks that creosote loose, and it just didn't sound like

913
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: the smart approach.

914
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Well, even the the Chimney Safety Institute of America says no, no, like, yeah,

915
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: those things kind of work, but you want like actual

916
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: scrubbing of the interior of your chimney, yes, which is

917
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: what chimney sweeps did.

918
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

919
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Man, if you want you want moxie in your chimney sweep,

920
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: you go to somebody's parents and say, I want to

921
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: buy your four year old boy and make my chimney

922
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: sweep slave.

923
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean earlier we teased and promised the child

924
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: labor horror show. And that's pretty much what things were

925
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: like in jolly old England after sixteen sixty six, second September, sorry,

926
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: fifth September technically. Yeah, the Great Fire of London changed

927
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: a lot of things, and one of them was chimneys

928
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: were a little bit narrow and they had a lot

929
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: more rules as far as how clean you had to

930
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: keep them. And so, like you said, what you would

931
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: do is you would can't put an adult up there. No,

932
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: not really, but you can't put a five year old

933
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: boy or four.

934
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Speaker 1: I think is the youngest I saw them doing.

935
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you would literally buy child from a poor person, right,

936
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: stick this boy up in there. They were your quote

937
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: unquote apprentice, which basically was child.

938
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Slave, unpaid child labor zero dollars right, and actually chimney

939
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: sweeping at the time, So after the Great Fire of

940
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: London in sixteen sixty six. I believe it was mandated

941
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: by the Queen or Parliament or somebody that everybody needed

942
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: their chimneys like kept up with. So chimney sweeps became

943
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: a thing, but they actually swept chimneys free. It was

944
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: a free service. The way that chimney sweeps made their

945
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: money was from the soot that they gathered. They would

946
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: sell it as fertilizer.

947
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: Oh authorugh, you're gonna say sponsorships, Like they would show

948
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: up like their Chevy Tahoe dracket or something.

949
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: It is like nothing gets your chimney clean, like son

950
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: of a gun by stp.

951
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: So they would stick these kids in there. Sometimes they

952
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: would literally light a fire under their butt to make

953
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: them work faster. The kids would shimmy and distort their

954
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: body to shimmy in this little eighteen inch wide chimney

955
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: and ship loose this creosote and soot that would then

956
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: because they're working above their head, would fall all over them.

957
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 2: They would take a bath once a week, maybe once

958
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: every month, maybe once every two or three months, depending

959
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: on who you're asking. Yeah, so these children are literally

960
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: not I mean, if they survived this experience at all.

961
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: They're not going to live past middle age.

962
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: Right, So what you just described was a good day. Yeah,

963
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: there were all sorts of other horrible maladies that could

964
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: come about deformation of their skeletons. Because these kids are

965
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: like four, five, six, eight, ten, twelve years old, they're

966
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: trying to grow, they're still developing, but they're spending like

967
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: hours upon hours every day in these cramped chimneys. So

968
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: they're bones, especially the bones in their ankles and knees,

969
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: tended to grow in a deformed way.

970
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

971
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: There's something the first industrial length cancer ever identified is

972
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: called chimney sweeps cancer.

973
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: Yep.

974
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: People call it scrotal carcinoma.

975
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, where the.

976
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: Scrotum was irritated by soot and it would produce warts,

977
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: and these warts, if they went untreated, would turn into

978
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: a carcinoma, which eventually if it was if it wasn't

979
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: cut out, would the tumor would grow into the testes

980
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: and then into the abdomen. And it was a very

981
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: very painful way to die. Kids like twelve years of

982
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: age were dying of scrotal cancer from this.

983
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get up pre dawn, you work till the nighttime. Hours,

984
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty four days a year. The one

985
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: day that these kids would get off was May Day,

986
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: International Labor Day. They would sleep then. You know we

987
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: said they collected that ash and soot and sold it.

988
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: They would store all the stuff in sacks and the

989
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: kids would then sleep in those rooms, still ingesting all

990
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 2: this stuff in the air, and quite often they would

991
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: literally get stuck and die in these chimneys.

992
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: Here here's the part where I started to hyperventilate just

993
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: thinking about this.

994
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: From claustrophobia.

995
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like this thing called positional asphyxia. There's actually

996
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting Vice article called like a Brief History

997
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: of people getting stuck in chimneys, and they actually illustrate

998
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: how positional asphyxia happens using the Grinch. As he's going

999
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: down the chimney, his feet start to get above his

1000
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: head and all of a sudden he's stuck. You can't

1001
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: get out of that position. This would happen to real

1002
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: live English boys and American too, apparently, who would get

1003
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: stuck in the chimneys that they were cleaning out and

1004
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: would die there because they would asphixiate their abdomen couldn't

1005
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: take in breaths any longer.

1006
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: Right.

1007
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: It happened a lot, and actually, finally it happened enough

1008
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: times that Parliament started to get involved. They first got

1009
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: involved in seventeen eighty eight with the Chimney Sweeps Act

1010
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, this is crazy. You

1011
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: guys are buying four year old kid. You can't do that.

1012
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Chimney sweeps can be no younger than eight.

1013
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1014
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: That was their first stab at reform, right.

1015
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously this is child labor was a lot

1016
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: different back then as far as how we thought about

1017
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: when kids should work.

1018
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: Right, but or the idea of childhood hadn't even come

1019
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: about yet.

1020
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even so, even for a time where it

1021
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: was believed that children should put forth an effort and

1022
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: work like four and five year old kids, it's just ridiculous.

1023
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: Sure. Right. They also added though, that if you are

1024
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: a master of a chimney sweep, you have to make

1025
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: sure that they are allowed to go to church on Sundays.

1026
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: That was the other part of the seventeen eighty eight Act. Right.

1027
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: Then in the eighteen forty Act they up the age

1028
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: to twenty one, which was significant, but apparently it wasn't

1029
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: really enforced until eighteen seventy five when this one kid

1030
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: died and he was basically the straw that broke the

1031
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: camel's back for the public.

1032
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. His name was George Brewster, and he worked for

1033
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: a gentleman by the name of William Weyer. And I

1034
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: say gentlemen, what I mean is a scumbag. And he

1035
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 2: was cleaning a hospital, chimney Fullborn Hospital, and he got

1036
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: stuck and the great efforts were made to rescue him.

1037
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: They actually pulled down a wall to try and get

1038
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: to him. He died and Wires actually found guilty of manslaughter.

1039
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: And his death was really a big awareness jolt for everybody,

1040
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: and it became part of the campaign and that was

1041
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 2: pretty much the end of using kids. You know. He

1042
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: was apparently the last child to die in a chimney

1043
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: in England.

1044
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: In England, I guess in the US they kept using

1045
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: him for a while.

1046
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: So shameful really.

1047
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: Now, if you see a chimney sweep tell a four

1048
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: year old to go up in the chimney, you called

1049
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: police because that is illegal these days, no matter where

1050
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: you live. Yeah, okay, let's all agree to that.

1051
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: Agreed.

1052
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: You got anything else? No fireplaces? Just in time for

1053
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: the fall.

1054
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's in November here in Atlanta and in

1055
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: the mid eighties, so right, ready to get that fireplace going?

1056
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: That's right. If you want to know more about fireplaces,

1057
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: including how to light and fire, you can go find

1058
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: that out by typing fireplace in the search bart house

1059
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: stuff forks. And since I said search bar, it's time

1060
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: for listener mail, I'm gonna call.

1061
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: This grammar Police. Hey, guys, regular listener for quite some time,

1062
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 2: I finally become angered or inspired enough to write in

1063
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Speaker 2: about something. I use the sandwich technique proposed by Chuck recently,

1064
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: By the way, and I was listening to an older

1065
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: episode Does a Body Replace Itself? In You guys were

1066
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: talking about emails from the Grammar Police. Grammar only has

1067
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: strict rules to those who decided that it needed strict rules.

1068
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Speaker 2: As a society, we have a rather dramatic ebb and

1069
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: flow of grammar rules. There's no one entity decide to

1070
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: decide upon the rules, and therefore there's no real right

1071
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: or wrong. You can almost consider it like a fashion

1072
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: in a way. We can all generally agree that double

1073
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: negatives are wrong, much like we can all agree that

1074
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: socks and sandals are wrong. And yet some will still

1075
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: use them or wear them without a problem. As long

1076
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: as we can understand each other and the quote incorrect

1077
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Speaker 2: end quote. Grammar does not take away from the meaning

1078
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Speaker 2: of your words, and it should not matter. There are

1079
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Speaker 2: different times in which proper grammar is necessary and scrutinized,

1080
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: and then there are times when it frankly does not matter.

1081
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: There is a huge debate in the grammar world, the

1082
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: few but mighty, she points out, about whether we should

1083
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: be prescriptivists or descriptivists when it comes to the rules

1084
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Speaker 2: of grammar. It's a constantly evolving topic and arguably grammar

1085
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: is a constantly evolving entity. Just thought i'd share my

1086
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: thoughts in hopes that you wouldn't get down on yourselves

1087
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: from the grammar police. And yes, feel free to pick

1088
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Speaker 2: apart my email for grammar errors. Nice happy face. That

1089
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Speaker 2: is from Colleen Zaker, an English teacher and grammar enthusiasts.

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Speaker 1: Colleen sure? Who cares? Actually I don't know goes either way.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah, she said, you can call me whatever.

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