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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, everybody. I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics.

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Speaker 1: And I heard podcasts and unbothered production. Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 1: I will never fully understand why people love to give

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Speaker 1: a fuck. Shout out to Buck Morland. Now, this sudden

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Speaker 1: of male cheerleaders in the NFL would be hilarious if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't so rooted in stupidity. The Minnesota Vikings announced

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Speaker 1: their cheerleading squad, and it sent a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: straight off an emotional cliff because, behold, there were two

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Speaker 1: male cheerleaders on the team. The comments section on the

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Speaker 1: Vikings announcement was as enlightened as you might expect. One

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Speaker 1: Another fan chimed in, I'm not a Vikings fan, no more.

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Speaker 1: Fragility was on a thousand and of course, because Republicans

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Speaker 1: can't resist a good, unimportant culture war, Alabama Senator Tommy

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Speaker 1: Tuberville came flying off the top rope to express his

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Speaker 1: disgust for male cheerleaders.

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Speaker 2: Take the men out of men's sports, just what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: I hope to god it doesn't come south.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's been a problem in the

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Speaker 2: It is about pushing a narrative that you want to

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Speaker 2: put gender into sports. Let everybody know that we're trying

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Speaker 2: to show that, Hey, we're going to take the masculinity.

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Speaker 3: Out of a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We are all Americans, and don't push that. Then you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a huge problem. It's coming.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, male cheerleaders, What is we going to do?

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Speaker 1: What about the kids? What about the damn kids? If

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Speaker 1: only Tommy Tuberville were as much of an expert on

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Speaker 1: the three branches of government as he is on male cheerleaders.

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Speaker 4: You know that our government wasn't set up for one

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Speaker 4: group to have all three of branches of government. They

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Speaker 5: Executive I can hear you. You're trailing off And did

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Speaker 1: So Tommy Tupperville not an expert on government or male cheerleading. Now,

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Speaker 1: if a cheerleader, male or female, takes away your enjoyment

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Speaker 1: of the game that says more about your team than

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Speaker 1: it says about the cheerleaders themselves. But since we're here,

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Speaker 1: let me short circuit the three brain sales that Tommy

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Speaker 1: Tupperville has. From the eighteen hundreds well into the nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenties and nineteen thirties, cheerleading actually was considered a man sport.

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Speaker 1: It was an elite activity for men, especially for those

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Speaker 1: who attended Ivy League schools. A newspaper editor wrote this

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Speaker 1: about cheerleading in nineteen eleven. The reputation of having been

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Speaker 1: a valiant cheerleader is one of the most valuable things

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Speaker 1: to promotion in professional or public life. It ranks hardly

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Speaker 1: second to that of having been a quarterback. Let that

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Speaker 1: sink in now. Obviously, there was a shift during the

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Speaker 1: Second World War. Women began assuming the cheerleading roles because

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Speaker 1: the men were at war. This actually created some friction

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Speaker 1: because a lot of them wanted their pomp poms back.

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Speaker 1: When you study the history, there were some pretty important

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Speaker 1: male figures who were once cheerleaders, including many of the

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Speaker 1: men who are deeply admired by the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush, Dwight D. Eisenhower. Although this is probably

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Speaker 5: Enough is enough.

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Speaker 6: I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this

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Speaker 1: As far as the NFL is concerned, they've had male

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Speaker 1: cheerleaders since twenty eighteen, with the Rams being the first

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Speaker 1: team to do so, and this season there will be

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Speaker 1: twelve teams who have male cheerleaders. But looking at the reaction,

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Speaker 1: it's clear that what is really bothering some people is

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Speaker 1: how some male cheerleaders present themselves. There are plenty of

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Speaker 1: male cheerleaders in college sports as well, but the reason

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Speaker 1: majority of them lifting and throwing young women in the air,

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Speaker 1: and what they represent are feats of strength. But the

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Speaker 1: male cheerleaders on the Vikings don't fit that description. They're

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Speaker 1: Liking R. K. Russell, a former NFL player, wrote this

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Speaker 1: about the cheerleading in the Guardian. This isn't about performance

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Speaker 1: conform to the rigid, outdated ideas of masculinity that so

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Speaker 1: many youth sport and football in particular to defend. The

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick shooting bud like mirror cans and now wowing

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Speaker 1: to disavow their favorite sports teams over male cheerleaders. And

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Speaker 1: it's simply because the existence of other people in viewpoints

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Speaker 1: just simply ain't they turn to give a fuck. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jammel Hill, and I approve this message. Today's guest is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite folks, and he also happens to

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Speaker 1: be an award winning director whose films the last forty

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Speaker 1: given us such cultural gems as do the Right Thing,

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Speaker 1: Mo Better Blues, you Know, The Bus, Jungle Fever, Inside Man,

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth Hour, among others. When it's time to go there,

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Speaker 1: he afraid to go there. He's got a new film

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Speaker 1: coming out called highest to Lois, which would be his

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Speaker 1: fifth with one of the greatest living actors of our time,

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Speaker 1: Denzel Washington. Coming up next on politics, Spike Lee, Spike,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank so much for joining me here on politics.

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Speaker 1: I will start this podcast with a question that I

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Speaker 1: feel like you are going to completely knock out of

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Speaker 1: the park. It is a question I ask every guest

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Speaker 1: that appears, and that is name an athlete or a

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Speaker 1: moment that made you first love sports. Maybe do what

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Speaker 1: meant that made you first love sports.

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Speaker 3: I was too young to remember, but I remember my

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Speaker 3: father taking me the old Guarniushman Avenue. Remember my father

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Speaker 3: taking me to Shape stam I remember my father taking

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Speaker 3: the old Yankee Stamens. The New York Giants were horrible,

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Speaker 3: was like daddy, we had a blanket, were I sailh

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Speaker 3: My god. But I come from the era where fathers

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Speaker 3: took their sons, how much later daughters at an early

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Speaker 3: about his high school heroics and basketball and football and

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. But growing up in Brooklyn, my guys

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Speaker 3: were Willie Mays, Ali walf Frasier. You know those those

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Speaker 3: I don't know what described the word, but when you

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Speaker 3: meet your your boyhood heroes, I was never disappointed because

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Speaker 3: I was grown and then to know that muhamma a

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Speaker 3: leads see my fields name is Willie May's Wold Fraser.

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Speaker 3: The one I really the four I was really still

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Speaker 3: close to is Wolf Fraser. He's my my, my favorite

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Speaker 3: still my favorite Nick of all time. So we're not

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Speaker 3: gonna talk about basketball, because you know what's happening. You know,

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Speaker 1: We are definitely going to talk about some basketball because

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Speaker 1: I did go to NBA Summer League and I ran

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Speaker 1: into your new coach, Mike Davis, and I ran it

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Speaker 1: to your new coach, Uh not Mike Davis, Mike Brown. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: Mike Brown ran into your new coach and also Rick Brunson,

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Speaker 3: It was it's called all the Blue Sky.

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Speaker 1: We will definitely get to a conversation about the Knicks,

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Speaker 1: but before we get there, at the risk of this

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Speaker 1: conversation starting in an awkward place, one thing I don't

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Speaker 1: like to do with my viewers or my listeners or

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Speaker 1: what have you, is playing their face. And of course

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Speaker 1: people know that you and I work together on the

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Speaker 1: Kalan Kaepernick documentary. I've seen said on the red carpet.

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Speaker 1: It's not an NBA, but out of respect for obviously

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Speaker 1: you and Colin, I'm not speaking out of school. And

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Speaker 1: so what I would say is, I wanted to take

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Speaker 1: this opportunity to thank you one for allowing me to

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Speaker 1: And so I wanted to take an opportunity to thank

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Speaker 3: And also and also thank you. Here's the thing, though

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Speaker 3: just said, what happened I mean it wasn't. I was

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Speaker 3: blew up. Well, I said it was more than a

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Speaker 3: Too, you know. And I'd just like to say that,

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Speaker 1: License was that something You're like, hey man, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a Jesus. This is genius because there was.

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Speaker 3: he didn't miss a step. So when denzels are dropping, boss.

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Speaker 3: And you would have to answer, I've learned not to

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how anyone who had a pleasure

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Speaker 3: But I think that the relations we're talking about made

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Speaker 1: With the experiences that you've had working with Denzel, How

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Speaker 3: That's the beautiful question and the honest answer. Each one

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Speaker 3: And I think that I think this obligation for disperienced

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Speaker 1: Grandfathers do too?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just my grandma is my grandmother?

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Speaker 1: Okay? For me? It was mine. My grandma, my grandmother.

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Speaker 3: She had three husbands.

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Speaker 1: She had three husbands that they were you know what.

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Speaker 1: I promise it was.

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Speaker 3: Your grandma make was.

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Speaker 5: All three.

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Speaker 1: Now, two of the three died when they were already divorced.

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Speaker 1: I think the third one may have passed while they

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Speaker 3: That never happened, Okay, And I'm not saying that that's

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00:29:53,640 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: good or bad. Mostly Melville people's Davis, you know, Gordon Parks.

436
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: They encouraged me. Now, I don't know why that made choices,

437
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: but they never you know, give me here, son, let

438
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: me sit down, you know, teach you the game and

439
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: let me pull your coach. I never happened to me,

440
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: and I'm saying, well, it's good or bad. I'm saying,

441
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: they just they were, They're proud of me, encouraged me

442
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: and said keep keep it on, especially Ozzi especially, you know,

443
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: it was a lot of my films yea.

444
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Speaker 1: The modern day compared.

445
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Speaker 3: And then he was happy, you know, I was if

446
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Speaker 3: he was in that general rules in it too.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, r d him and you had them both and

448
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: do the right thing and yeah, jungle jungle fever. I

449
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: was just saying, it was another two that I was

450
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: I was saying about so the of course, naturally I

451
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: saw this conversation pop up a lot when Sinners came out,

452
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of comparisons to Ryan Coogler

453
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and Michael B. Jordan with you and Denzel that they're

454
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: giving us the modern version of what you all have done.

455
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: What did you think yet? Go ahead?

456
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Speaker 1: What did you what did you think of those comparisons?

457
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: Oh? First of all, I don't I didn't, you know,

458
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: I don't mess with that. But that Centers is such

459
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: as such, that's the best of my scene in years,

460
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: and that secrets where deal with the music going back

461
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: to our ancestors were thrown from other Africans brought here

462
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: here sixteen nineteen, brought here to to do. What they

463
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: did was just build this country free labor from cancine.

464
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: The warning can see at night. So I don't know

465
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: what all this bullshit woke stuff is. But to know,

466
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: here's the thing, though, my sister, our ancestors, our ancestors

467
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: had the decision to know that one day their lineage

468
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: would be free, and that they would not see that

469
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: in their lifetime, their parents' life and their grandparents but knew,

470
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: they knew one day that would you know that the

471
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: official bondage would be over? And sometimes look, I think

472
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: hosests are proud of us and something answers like.

473
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 5: What the fuck would what you have done?

474
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: We all love all love, all love and just And

475
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: I think that, Look, I'm only speaking for myself when

476
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: I think about my grandparents and what they saw would

477
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: be the extent of their life. They saw in their

478
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: grand that they were be hoping in a world where

479
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: they could do more, be free to do more. So

480
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: in the ancestors, our ancestors.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you about what you said about

482
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: that scene in Sinners, and I think I read later

483
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: on he had to really fight to keep that scene

484
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: in there because they wanted to cut it, and it

485
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: was a beautiful scene that obviously help people understand just

486
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: the through line of African music to what we see

487
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: today to hip hop. Like he's taken us on a

488
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: historical journey. You know, Ryan Coogler has been able to

489
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: set himself apart from a lot of directors. What do

490
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: you think it is about him that allows him to

491
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: set himself apart?

492
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: Storyteller, a writer, director. He doesn't need somebody writing the

493
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: script for him to have a project. He writes his

494
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: own a writer, director, director, writer, and his co producer

495
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: is his lovely wife. So not that many people can

496
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: you know, work side by side to be married. I'm

497
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 3: not making any judge on just saying that that there

498
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: are that team solid challes a rock.

499
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Speaker 1: Getting back the highest the lowest. For a minute, I

500
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: know what I took away from it because it really

501
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: helped me, or not helped me, but it really made

502
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: me think about not just the proliferation of stand culture,

503
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: but also the attention economy that we live in. What

504
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: are some of the things you want people to take

505
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: away when they watch this.

506
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: To be honest with my sister, I really try to

507
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: reframe from telling people what they should expect. But I'm

508
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: going to make an exception for you because I love you.

509
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: Thank you this film which let's let's start here. There

510
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 3: was a novel called King's Ransom written by Ed mc

511
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: bain that was adapted by Couris Salah to make a

512
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: new film. So the original source is a novel called

513
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: King's Ransom, and for me, I went back there. I

514
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: read the book too. It's about morality and when you

515
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 3: have a dynamic, brilliant actor like mister Denzel Washington from

516
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: money Earner Mount Vernon, when the people when you when

517
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: you are on that level, the people watching the film

518
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: are they're trends poured it into Denzel's character. And when

519
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: that happens, you're you put yourself position like and I

520
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: what would I do if if I was in that situation?

521
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: And when you could do that, it's a god given gifts.

522
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: When people see this film and I knew it was happened,

523
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 3: and I've set in several oiences New York and LA

524
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: and you know, wake the lights down and then snuck in.

525
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: People are brought in. They're what Danzel's doing. They're going

526
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: through now and they ask themselves what would they do

527
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: if they were in that situation about morals and scruples,

528
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: And it's not a blanket answer. People gonna answer that

529
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: question depending upon who they are, what their values are.

530
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: But it's thrilling to be in that ride that that

531
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: gives us. Now there are some people will put their

532
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: mother on the corner. Other people will chop up an

533
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 3: arm for the child, even a friend. So I found

534
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: that when you deal morality that just racist mistakes. For me,

535
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: that raises fake it mistakes. Everybody is engaged. Yeah, And

536
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: I would add to that that please do, please.

537
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Do, because because me and my husband we saw it

538
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: to yeather and we we debated about it, and I

539
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: think one of the things that comes out of that

540
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: it's not just what your moral code is, is what

541
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: is your moral code when you don't have skin in

542
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: the game?

543
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 5: Right?

544
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: It's like because then it's ah, then it gets.

545
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: A little shaky, right, because yeah, because you could say

546
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: what you would do for you and yours, but if

547
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: you and yours are not impacted, then what you're gonna.

548
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: Do by blood too right? By by blood right correct?

549
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: And so that I thought was a beautiful twist that

550
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, because you the answer was obvious

551
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: when it was one way, but then when it became

552
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: another way, the answer wasn't so obvious. Right, So that's

553
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: something that the people.

554
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: Nasty genius of the book, the original nonm wal whish

555
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: to great cursu to to another level.

556
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I got a lot to ask you about

557
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: because were talking about the nick. Now we're gonna we're

558
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: about to jump into some mixed conversation in a minute.

559
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: But before we jump into that and a couple of

560
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: other things about this film, just gonna take a really

561
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: quick break and we will be back with more with

562
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Speaker 1: Spike Lee, I wanted to ask you about something in

563
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: terms of how you described this film, because I thought

564
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: this description was really, really incredible, And I forget what

565
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: interview you were doing when you said.

566
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: It was describing as something was written.

567
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: It was you describing this. You said, all right, this

568
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: is what you said that when it came because you

569
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: consider this film, even though it's based on a novel,

570
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: that this is not a remake, this is a reimagination.

571
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: And what you said is that you wanted to take

572
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: a quote jazz musicians approach to it and put some

573
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: hot sauce on it.

574
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: What does that mean, Well, my beloved, my sister, their

575
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: tradition of great jazz musicians taking great workside an American

576
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Soundbook and doing their reinterpretations of the song. The biggest thing,

577
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 3: the one I always go to is Julian Andrews singing

578
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: My favorite things sounding music. And what did Coltrane do

579
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: with that?

580
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: You know?

581
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: You know, this is along line of great jazzusicians who

582
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: have done reworking the reinterpretation of songs from the the

583
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Speaker 3: American sound Book. And so that's I said, Denzel and I,

584
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 3: you know, we were jazz musicians, jazz musicians, and I'm

585
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: a son of a great jazz position Bill Lee. So

586
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: that was that was I say that if I want

587
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: to understand the difference between a re make and a reinterpretation.

588
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: That's why the title is this film is not called

589
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: High and Low. It's called The Highest Two Lows. And

590
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: the two is a letter too. And that's a shout

591
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: out to Prince because many times, you know, you'll flip it,

592
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: you know, and use numbers for words. Us a shout

593
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 3: out to my brother. Did you ever meet him?

594
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I did.

595
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about all the time and Michael too.

596
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: You know, yeah I missed. I actually would have had

597
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity to meet him. He when the National Association

598
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: of Black Journalists convention was in Minneapolis, Prince actually made

599
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: himself available to a few select journalists black journalists that

600
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: were there, including a mutual fraend we have, Michael Wilbon.

601
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I was supposed to be in that group,

602
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: but I had a exclusive interview with ray Rice and

603
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: that's why I couldn't. I couldn't. I had I was

604
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: working at ESPN, so I had to go do that

605
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: interview because yeah, so I had an interview with him

606
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: that was exclusive and set in stone, and so I

607
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: could not make it to Minneapolis to meet with to

608
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: meet with Prince.

609
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: If you could do it again, I know, I know,

610
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: I know.

611
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: It's like, if I could do it again, I would say,

612
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Ray Rice, could you do this next Tuesday? If I

613
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: could do it again?

614
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 9: Right?

615
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: But duty calls as a journalist sometimes, Uh yeah, but

616
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: you know it just happened that way. But you know,

617
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity to have to meet him. I

618
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: saw the picture I think you might have they Jimmy

619
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: Fallon might have showed you of you and Prince.

620
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: Next to the last time in the All Star again

621
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: was at the Garden, so somew I think the person

622
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: that had a she sit together for that. Yeah, we had.

623
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean, man, Prince was so funny. His unimor was hilarious.

624
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: Everybody said watching the game he was He said, what

625
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,959
Speaker 3: is that? Where is that? Sister? Warning? Oh man, I missed,

626
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: I missed, I missed. We had that night. I wish

627
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: I could recorded that. Man, we were We weren't even

628
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 3: looking at the gate. They were just sitting next to

629
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: other and cracking up. Well.

630
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: As you said earlier, your film career is now spanned

631
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: almost forty years, which is crazy to me.

632
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: She's having nineteen eighty six.

633
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is crazy. So looking back at your career here,

634
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: what is a Spikey joint that you'd love to redo? Like,

635
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: if you could go back and say, you know what,

636
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to redo it, do that and do it differently?

637
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: What movie would that be?

638
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: Did give you an eyes answer? I don't think like that.

639
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing like we were growing up and

640
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: playing a game we say do over, do over, do over,

641
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: no doovers, and you have to learn from mistakes, be humble,

642
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 3: enough to learn mistakes, don't repeat it, and keep it moving,

643
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: Keep it moving. Because here's the thing now, I'm glad

644
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: you brought this up with my sister, my beloved. There's

645
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: no way I will reach three ninety. No way I'm

646
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 3: going to reach forty. Doesn't know I could reach forty

647
00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: years doing films. If I'm thinking about doovers, I mean,

648
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: you gotta well for me. Also, I'm seeing my stuff.

649
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: I can't get stuck in the past. Keep it moving now. Now, look,

650
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: people do what they want, but I'm on the other

651
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 3: side of the zoom and that's always been good, right

652
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: and wrong. Keep it moving, keep it moving, keep it moving,

653
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: keep it moving, all right?

654
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: So what's the spike Okay, well, what's the what's the

655
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: spike Lee joint? You think deserves a prequel that's the

656
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: same as the sequels, I mean not quite.

657
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: It's a bat here something I will tell you which

658
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: you might find might find interesting. The day School Days

659
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: came out in the theaters, people telling me that should

660
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: be a Broadway show, And now it was that School

661
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: Days was nine eighty eight, and people still say that

662
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: do school is as a just blow away music. And

663
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do hopefully one day I do that.

664
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: Well, you see how they did the color purple.

665
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe anybody else. It's me And right

666
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: now I just have not felt that I wanted to

667
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: do that. But I just want to say that the

668
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: public is wanted since first day that came out in

669
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: the theaters. So we'll see what happens.

670
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: So if a prequel is kind of like a sequel,

671
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: is there a Spikely movie you would have wanted to

672
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: do a sequel too? I feel like I know the

673
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: answer to this one, but go ahead.

674
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 7: No.

675
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: But here's they know people asked the day he Got

676
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: game came out, He Got. Let me tell you this,

677
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: I can't remember the number of NBA players who asked

678
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 3: you about that. Also, here's a tricky thing, the sneaky

679
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: thing during the game. You know, look they don't go

680
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: there's a foul and the rest where they don't go,

681
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: get on the line already to take a free though

682
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: slow the years set the players just on the slide,

683
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: just walk next to my seats up. You're like that

684
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 3: they're not looking at me, but they got the voice

685
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: where they look at me, but the sound comes off

686
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: the back of their neck. Was it the sequel that

687
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: was like, motherfuck.

688
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:52,479
Speaker 9: Where I'll tell you there's a ventrolic because they didn't

689
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 9: behave because I'm like, right, I don't know who's talking.

690
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 9: If I had, I wish I had a dollar in

691
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 9: every player since that thought came out and asked.

692
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: Me to be in there.

693
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: Dick I do know, Skylar Dickens.

694
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: Yep, yes, you was the first woman that says spaking

695
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: to do that and close she's gonna have it. She

696
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: was the first sister, the first lady, and wated to

697
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: say that she has been the last.

698
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: So I was told though along those same lines, because

699
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: I think it's been brought up before that if you

700
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: entertained it, it would be she's got game right. And

701
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: so I'm I heard somewhere that Marion Jones was somebody

702
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: that you might have been considering for that when she

703
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: was to track the track Mary Jones?

704
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 5: Is that true?

705
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 3: No, that's not true.

706
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: That is not true.

707
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: Okay, why would I look?

708
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: Well she I mean, yeah, Marion did play basketball. She

709
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: won a national championship of Carolina.

710
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 5: She did.

711
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: And did she went to live me the.

712
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: So she she left basketball. Because a lot of people

713
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: were very critical of this. She won a national championship

714
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety four with the Tar Heels Women's basketball

715
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: She stopped playing basketball to pursue a track career.

716
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but that bad I never heard.

717
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: That's oh, I believe that, But I never got her connected.

718
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: To She's Got Game.

719
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: Possibly it might be true. I forgot about it, but

720
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: I remember Skyland.

721
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Definitely, right, yep, Skylet Diggins.

722
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: Did she get hurt for wall or something like that?

723
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: What happened?

724
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: She had a baby? Yeah, so she had a baby.

725
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: Where she was not playing. Yeah, but you know, I executive,

726
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: I was loving basketball, So there's definitely a room for

727
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 3: something there. But that's one of the films I did

728
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: with Denzel Well, he Got a Game.

729
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: Since you brought up how many NBA players, like, hey, yo,

730
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: put me in the sequel or whatever? Did you ever

731
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: think about doing a feature film project with your boy Michael.

732
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 3: Jordan a document or narrative?

733
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: No, not a documentary, but like making him an actor, like.

734
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: First of all, funny story, the first commercial we did

735
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: Mars Blackman. I mean these commercials really putting Nike in

736
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 3: this stratus here, I must might do like one hundred

737
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: dunks the next year, he's just bike. I'm giving you

738
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: to motherfucking dunks and you better get it. Motherfucker. Oh

739
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: I've had I'm the pleasure of being called a motherfucker

740
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: many times? Is don that motherfucker the I don't prove it.

741
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 3: We called a motherfucker my mind.

742
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: I mean very people.

743
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like, call me motherfuck one more time. It

744
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: sounds great because my brother would say it was so

745
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: much love. Now I got the good motherfucker. I know

746
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 3: there's another motherfucker. He never I never got that one.

747
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: I never got that glass, Thank you Jesus.

748
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't say I see Mike as an actor

749
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: to be I say that I see Michael Jordan as

750
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: an actor. I can't.

751
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: I can't say you never had the patients for a movie. Yeah,

752
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: that's why I because he that for shooting commercial. Yeah.

753
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Well, since we are on the topic of the NBA,

754
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: let's go let's talk about your Nicks.

755
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: All right, we are New York, we're not basketball.

756
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: For got the words, So how did you feel about them?

757
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: Firing time Thibodeau.

758
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: I felt bad for him.

759
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

760
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: Great coach, great man and sports a tough business and

761
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: Leon Rose and Worldwide West and other individuals felt that

762
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: a change had to be made. You know, I wasn't

763
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: happy that this happened, but the talk was that change

764
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: might be made. Last year, the next starters led the

765
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: league in minutes and became a question of utledge? Is

766
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 3: that the word utlage usage? Yeah? Thank you? You know

767
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: I got that Brooklyn Public School education usage of the bench.

768
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: I have nothing to say that about my brother, coach

769
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 3: tips if I saw him right now getting a big

770
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: hug and a kiss on the cheet, you know. And

771
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: I know, although I know about him, I don't think

772
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: he's venteful. I think he wants to win in the

773
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: next win champions and he and he he built, he

774
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: built this team.

775
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: You know.

776
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: He look it's tough business, but.

777
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 5: Not me.

778
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: These other people want this. This is all this all

779
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: we're gonna get with him. But what the record state

780
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: anywhere we go? You know, the foundation was built with

781
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: him in what five years there so? And also be honest,

782
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: we haven't won since seventeen seventy three, seas, it's been

783
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 3: over fifty years, and I just like to make a

784
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: comment on that. May I go right ahead, that's been

785
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: too motherfucking long. Want to tele like WHOA, that's generational.

786
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: And look, I've said as many times I don't want

787
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 3: anybody get hurt. I was not jumping up and down

788
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: about the career, what could be the career, not career,

789
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: but excuse me, year ending. Oh that was a mistake.

790
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 3: I meant my career year injuries with Halliburton. I saw Jason,

791
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: my brother, this summer in Marlin's vineyard and game a

792
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: big hug, a couple of little jokes. But I don't

793
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 3: want nobody to get hurt. And it seems as the

794
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: East Eastern Division is But don't sleep out the Lando

795
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 3: Young Boys dare, but we should. I'm not. I'm not

796
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: worried about Cleveland. They went out the first round. Yeah,

797
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: but you never you never know what's gonna happen in sports.

798
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 3: But it's this saint thing here, I don't know.

799
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So, Spike, I always end every podcast with

800
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: what I call a messy question designed to make ready.

801
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 3: I'm born already, war already you are.

802
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: You were born ready. So there is a lot of

803
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: speculation that things may not ultimately end well between Lebron

804
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: and the Lakers, given the structure of what his new

805
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: extension is. They're looking at Luca as their future. They

806
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: have to deprioritize Lebron and I wonder, as a lifelong

807
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: Knicks fan, would you like to see Lebron as a

808
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Nick before his career ended.

809
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: You know, I don't like that. I think that that question.

810
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 3: But I guess speaking private to my man Richie form

811
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 3: because my man is doing it. Yeah, people are hating

812
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: on him. He doesn't have this distance that and my man,

813
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 3: I ain't got nothing but love my brother Richie. He's

814
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: doing his thing, rich Paul. Yeah, he's doing his thing.

815
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: And look, who knows what's going to happen. But you

816
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: know sports, you don't know what's gonna happen. And but

817
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 3: people New York, I can say this. People in New

818
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: York do still hold have a certain feeling about that

819
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: whole thing where they had the press conference. People think

820
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: it's coming to the next thing. It's like the Oakie Dope,

821
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: the flim Flam.

822
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you read the backstory of what happened in

823
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: that meeting.

824
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to go into that right now.

825
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, they couldn't tag you in, Like.

826
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 3: Just I know we have to end this, but I

827
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: just want you to know that I have a glow

828
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: around me. It's orange and blue. But the thing that

829
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: is not the glow is not seen to the public. Well, Spike,

830
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: so let me finish this the quote Donald Bird the Blackbirds,

831
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm walking on rhythm and well who met heard that classic?

832
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: Look it up, Donald Bird and the Blackbirds walking in rhythm?

833
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: Okay, you know you so you know that's all right,

834
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: you know that's all yes that jam Oh well, Spike,

835
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: thank you for spending with me here on politics. It's

836
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: always a pleasure when we have a conversation. I'm not

837
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna take it personally that when you were naming off

838
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: all the teams in the East, you didn't mention my team,

839
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: the fistess. But that's okay, that's all right, Okay, so.

840
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: We not let's not talk about the playoffs series.

841
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not talk about it because I still ain't

842
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: over it.

843
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: And there's a red call something happened like that.

844
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Yes, it's would have been a foul, Okay.

845
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: It should have. Gay four said real quick another beloved motown,

846
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: the people, the music you about.

847
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: I can feel.

848
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 3: From town and there, and people treat me great until

849
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: that last playoff game. You already quick, you already know,

850
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: oh my man was playing who out of there?

851
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: Jan Breusset is a dirty word in Detroit right now,

852
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: trust me, Oh man, we I went to Game four.

853
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: We boot the ship out of him. Yeah, like we

854
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: of course he's a dirty word. His performance sadly it

855
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: did not. Sadly it did not, but it's all good.

856
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: We lost I think all the home games we lost

857
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: in that series by a total of six points.

858
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: So we're not going to one of your guys get

859
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 3: in trouble with something.

860
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Malik Beasley, he I don't think he'll be back

861
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: in the Pistols uniform. So, but that's a conversation for

862
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: another day.

863
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 9: Uh.

864
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: For now, Spike, thank you again for appearing here on politics. Everybody,

865
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: go see Highest to Lewest. Yes, go see it in

866
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: the theater. The theater experience, as always does trump uh

867
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: in many ways what you see at home and the

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Speaker 1: way it's shot, Like you.

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Speaker 3: Got majority of your audience is African Americans.

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Speaker 1: I would say a pretty high percentage.

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Speaker 3: Well for those who are, please see the film in

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Speaker 3: the theater because you know how we act.

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Speaker 6: All the dialogue in the movie, but don't be dial

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Speaker 6: the spring Denzel dunk dunk oh don't do a little bit.

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Speaker 6: You'll play by play commentary. You know how people are,

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Speaker 6: I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, take care of Spike.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you so thank you.

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Speaker 1: All ready, one more segment to go coming up next,

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Speaker 1: the Final Spin. Time now for the final Spin, the

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Speaker 1: topic fitness personality. Jillian Michaels goes all Birth of a

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Speaker 1: Nation on CNN. The spin. White people weren't nearly as

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Speaker 1: deeply involved in slavery as historians have led us to believe. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, we

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Speaker 1: still have people providing defenses and excuses for slavery. Something

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Speaker 1: I thought we agreed was indefensible. He's white washing slavery.

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Speaker 4: He not.

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Speaker 5: No, he's not.

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Speaker 1: And you cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery. It

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Speaker 1: ad just one race, which is pretty much what every

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Speaker 1: single exhibit does. Well, let's talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: when you fact slavery in America was only less than

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Speaker 1: two percent of white Americans own slaves, but it was.

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Speaker 5: A system of nize that slavery is thousands.

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Speaker 1: Of years old, the truth. I have to say, my

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Speaker 1: favorite pro slavery argument provided by people like Jillian Michaels is, Hey,

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Speaker 1: everybody was doing it. Slavery was all the rage. What

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Speaker 1: were we supposed to do? I mean, slavery was practically

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Speaker 1: the skinny genes of our time. As much as I

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Speaker 1: would love to take a sledgehammer to everything, Jillian Michael said,

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Speaker 1: it is far more effective for me to simply present

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Speaker 1: the only response that matters. From award winning journalist Nicole

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Speaker 1: Hannah Jones, author of the sixteen nineteen project Enjoy.

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Speaker 7: Take the fewer than two percent of white people own

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Speaker 7: slaves at face value, though we know that number is

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Speaker 7: technically incorrect, and let's apply that standard to any other end.

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Speaker 5: What percentage of.

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Speaker 7: Americans own social media companies or technology companies such as Apple.

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Speaker 7: It's a tiny percentage. I'm doubtful if it's even one

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Speaker 7: percent of Americans. And yet no one would credibly argue

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Speaker 7: that social media companies are not ubiquitous across American life,

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Speaker 7: that they don't play a major influence on our political, social,

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Speaker 7: and economic life in America. And in fact, but we

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Speaker 7: know that more than seventy percent of Americans use social media,

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Speaker 7: though hardly any Americans own social media platform. There's a

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Speaker 7: reason that the heads of Meta Apple and Amazon, Google

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Speaker 7: and x all took part in Trump's inaugeration festivities, with

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Speaker 7: several of them standing on actual diies during Trump's inaugeration.

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Speaker 7: These men also happen to be amongst the wealthiest in

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Speaker 7: the world and demonstrate how a small cadre of super

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Speaker 7: wealthy men can have an outside impact on American politics

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Speaker 7: and culture.

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Speaker 5: This is just critical thinking, y'all.

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Speaker 7: So if we want to play the numbers game, the

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Speaker 7: much more more important measure is what percentage of Americans

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Speaker 7: owned slaves?

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Speaker 5: No, but what percentage of those in power did so?

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Speaker 5: Here we go. Before eighteen sixty five.

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Speaker 7: The end of slavery in the United States, sixty three

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Speaker 7: percent of US presidents had been slave owners at some

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Speaker 7: point in their lives. More than eighteen hundred members of

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Speaker 7: Congress owned slaves, meaning between seventeen eighty nine and eighteen nineteen,

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Speaker 7: more than half of the men elected to congreage each

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Speaker 7: session or slave owners.

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Speaker 5: What about the Supreme Court?

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Speaker 7: Twenty six of this nation's first thirty Supreme Court justices

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Speaker 7: were in slavers, and about half of all the Supreme

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Speaker 7: Court justices before the Civil War were in slavers.

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Speaker 5: So many Supreme Court justices were in slavers. That if

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Speaker 5: we added up all the Supreme Court justices coming all

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Speaker 5: the way to this present court, one out of four

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Speaker 5: of all.

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court justices in this nation's history were in slavers.

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Speaker 7: I mean, let's just look at our money with one

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Speaker 7: of the people on our cash currency engaged in African slavery.

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Speaker 7: Look at the one dollar bill, two dollar bill, ten,

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Speaker 7: twenty fifty, one hundred.

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Speaker 5: All these men engages slavery. Slavery.

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Speaker 7: Excuse me, it's weird that we didn't value all those

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Speaker 7: non slave holding white people enough to put them on

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Speaker 7: our money. The majority of the most powerful men in

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Speaker 7: this country, the men who made the federal laws, interpreted

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Speaker 7: the laws, and enforced the laws, built their wealth on

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Speaker 7: African slavery. And I assure you that number says much

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Speaker 7: more about the country we had habit than that two percent.

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Speaker 7: But let's not stop there, because even limiting the boundaries

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Speaker 7: of the conversation to those who owned other human beings

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Speaker 7: is highly misleading. Much like technology today, slavery in the

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Speaker 7: United States was a national endeavor that undergirded not just

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Speaker 7: our political system, but our entire economy.

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Speaker 5: During the height of slavery.

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Speaker 7: It was not the Northeast, you know, Boston or New York,

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Speaker 7: but the Mississippi River Valley and the Deep South that

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Speaker 7: had more millionaires per capita than anywhere in via nation, and.

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Speaker 5: The Confederacy, had it succeeded at.

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Speaker 7: Being a separate country, would have been the fourth richest

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Speaker 7: nation in the world when the Civil War started.

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