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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Krats go. I guess Krat's got to

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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of money on that deal he does.

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Speaker 3: Here's a lot of years and money. The thing is

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Speaker 1: Gosh, why wasn't Craig Breslow in the conversation they're mad

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This is this.

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Speaker 1: Whole thing is the whole thing to me is just

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Speaker 1: Henry Okay, is Corus stuck between Breslo and and Endeavors.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that happened, but it doesn't appear that there's been

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was on our show. Chris Smith joined us,

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Speaker 3: Who has the juice in that room? Bregman?

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Speaker 1: Who else has the juice in that room? To go

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they said it to him or

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Speaker 3: Like and heard it and heard it too. But you know,

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Speaker 2: So let's finish with this. Just quick poll, yes or no.

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Speaker 2: Raise your hand if you think Raphael Devers plays first

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Speaker 2: Oh you do think he does?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Because I think it's going to be a yes

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Speaker 3: I think the pressure will mount enough on Raffi, which

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Speaker 3: If they if the first baseman just keeps struggling, Yoshida

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Speaker 3: do this. Yeah, but they should start working with him now.

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Speaker 1: They shouldn't wait till a month from now and say,

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Speaker 3: To be out there now, take a girl balls every day.

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Speaker 1: He should have already been out there because this was

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Speaker 2: And I didn't get the impression they ever asked that

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Speaker 2: four hours that Bud Black has been let go by

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Speaker 2: the Rockies. He managed the team for a long time,

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Speaker 1: The people who brought in the players start with the

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Speaker 1: Starting pitching has been horrendous this year, even guys like

431
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Speaker 1: you know that they were counting on Marquez Freeland, those

432
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 1: guys that have been unbelievably bad. Dolander they've called up.

433
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 1: He hasn't helped Tovar has been out for pretty much

434
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Speaker 1: the whole year. It's just a systematic failure. That's there's

435
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 1: no other way to put it. Question for both of

436
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: you guys, who's the Rockies All Star? We had this

437
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: conversation on Saturday, Who's the Rockies All Star?

438
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 3: Peter, You're gonna look it up? Me?

439
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: What is there to look up? I mean you want

440
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 2: me to do that on the fly with this team?

441
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 3: That was The reaction to Scott had was like McMahon,

442
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,399
Speaker 3: Brendan Doyle, I just had it. I just had a

443
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 3: thing Brandan Goodman good Man, Hunter Goodman is I was saying,

444
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 3: Nico Goodram, but no Hunt Hunter Goodman. I mean he's

445
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 3: he's putting together, he's putting you know, he's put together

446
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 3: a good year, like behind a dish, banging out dangers.

447
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 3: But ultimately it is a culmination of a lack of moves.

448
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 3: You bring in a few pieces here and there, you

449
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 3: don't address major weaknesses. And Bud Black's like, you know what,

450
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 3: the guys really like me, but we just we can't.

451
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: We can't keep a lead. We can't and this year

452
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Their offense has been ice cold or I

453
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 3: think they went like fifteen games without scoring more than

454
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Speaker 3: five runs. A Colorado Rockies team without scoring more five runs,

455
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Speaker 3: Like that's like a Giants team that just is pitching

456
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 3: in defense, Like that's that's a crazy stat for a

457
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Speaker 3: Rockies team.

458
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Speaker 2: Bill Schmidt, who's running the front offic set, I think

459
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Speaker 2: our guys are still playing hard. That's what I'm looking at.

460
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: Guys are working hard every day. You basically said, I

461
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: don't think we're at the point of firing Bud Black

462
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: before Saturday's game. Then they lost twenty one nothing, and

463
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: then on Sunday they hired Bud Black after they picked

464
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Speaker 2: up a win. So let's talk this out right now.

465
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Speaker 2: Patrick Lyons is the Rockies insider. He is joining us. Patrick,

466
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Speaker 2: great to have you on. So where do we begin.

467
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: How about Dave Roberts, who you know was mentored by

468
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: Bud Black for a long time, saying I don't think

469
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: Casey Stengel could change the outcome of that ball club,

470
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: and that's not the manager's faults. So slice this one

471
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Speaker 2: up for us. What's gone wrong and what possibly could improve?

472
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Speaker 5: Well, you guys talking about it before we really hit

473
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Speaker 5: the nail on the head with everything. It's been a

474
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 5: systemic failure, you know, from from top to bottom, and

475
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 5: a lot of those decisions come from owner Dick Montford,

476
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 5: and he's the one that's been pushing these buttons and

477
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 5: was the one that wanted Chris Bryant to begin with.

478
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 5: And now Brian has been a part of four of

479
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 5: the worst seasons in franchise history, the four worst seasons,

480
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 5: and this one isn't even done yet. So there's been

481
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 5: a lot of short changing, various areas, various departments from

482
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 5: this organization, and it's really just been a lot of complacency.

483
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 5: And you know, one thing you didn't mention that I

484
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 5: know is really interesting to a lot of baseball folks

485
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Speaker 5: is the fact that there's still thirty plus in the

486
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 5: building on Saturday. For a team on pace to lose

487
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty seven games, there was thirty eight

488
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 5: thousand people to go see Padres Rockies. So it's a

489
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 5: little bit recession proof. And so despite the fact that

490
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 5: I think the Rockies are losing some money right now,

491
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 5: they're able to get away with it without making those

492
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 5: grander changes. And this has really just been something that's

493
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 5: been coming down the pike for the last couple of

494
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 5: years and it's just finally reached ahead.

495
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Speaker 3: You said short changing. I mean, there's so many things

496
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 3: I want unpack there, but the short changing you brought in.

497
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: You got rid of Hensley Mullins Bam Bam. Mullan's a

498
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 3: hitting coach, you got rid of You got rid of PJ.

499
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 3: Pillitary last year because you went from three hitting coaches

500
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: to two when every other team has three. Then you

501
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: get rid of Bam Bam, you bring in Clint, who

502
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 3: gets it back to two. And now Clint's now the

503
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 3: bench coach. Like, do they think that just people are

504
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 3: going to just poof up here and take jobs that

505
00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 3: help players improve on a daily basis.

506
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 5: Well, that's that sure changing, right, that's trying to save

507
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 5: money on the on the periphery of for coaches and

508
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 5: then some of their developmental people and folks working really

509
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 5: multiple jobs within the organization. You mentioned something, AJ said

510
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 5: something about president of baseball operations. They have a team president,

511
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 5: but they don't have a president of baseball operations. I

512
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 5: know that's something that they're discussing right now behind the

513
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 5: scenes within the front office of maybe adding a role

514
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: like that to perhaps take away a little bit on

515
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 5: the plate of Dick Monfort, or take a little bit

516
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 5: away from the decision making processes from him, because he

517
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 5: has been really at the forefront a lot of these

518
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 5: moves and hiring Bill Schmidt, who has done some of

519
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 5: his biddings. He's tried to do his best for the

520
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 5: most part. But I think, you know, they've been handcuffed

521
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 5: a little bit because of some of the decisions Dick

522
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 5: Montfort has made and some of the choices that in

523
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 5: some of the directions I should say that they've been

524
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 5: wanting to go and a lot of that does have

525
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: to do with saving money and having less They said

526
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 5: streamlining was the reason why they were going from the

527
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 5: three hitting coaches down to two. And it's despite the

528
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: fact they're having, you know, one of the worst offensive

529
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 5: seasons in franchise history. They're not gonna go back up

530
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 5: to three, right, They've got one. Now, they've got some

531
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: other guys coming along the way and in Jordan Pacheco

532
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 5: and Nick Wilson. But still they are are short changing

533
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 5: and not investing in the roster or in development as

534
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 5: much as the other twenty nine teams in Major League Baseball?

535
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: Patrick, is this a owner failure then, because I can't

536
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: imagine that Dick Mamfray would not want to go get players, right?

537
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 3: Or is this a and I say this all the

538
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: time on this show, The Rockies have to do something different, right,

539
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 3: They have to go back to the Blake Street Bombers

540
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: and just say, you know, we're just gonna outslug it.

541
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna try and win sixty home games a year

542
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: and take our chances on the road and just bash

543
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: people to death or do something different, right? So is

544
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 3: this a ownership failure? Is it a GM failure? It's

545
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: not Bud Black's fault.

546
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Bud Black, say what you want about how

547
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: we manage whatever, but his fault. He's only given certain players.

548
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: He can't make players do things they can. I know

549
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna say different message, But is this some more

550
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: of an owner? This can't be a GM fall. So

551
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: it's got to start at the top.

552
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 3: And that's never gonna change because he draws three thousand

553
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 3: and three million a year and he's like, I'm cashing checks.

554
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm good.

555
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, owner in GM obviously have failed. But to your point,

556
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 5: I think Momford has the cut the legs out from

557
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 5: underneath his general managers in the past. Again, the Chris

558
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: Bryan signing unilatterally coming up with the deal for Nolan Aaronado.

559
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 5: There was a trade back in Gosh, I think it

560
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 5: was twenty fifteen where they had an opportunity to acquire

561
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 5: a big time prospect for two months rental for Jorge

562
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 5: dale Rosa, and Peter Gammons at the time reported that

563
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 5: Dick Monford stepped in and nullified that deal. In that

564
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 5: prospect was Eduardo Rodriguez, and that's a guy that you know,

565
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 5: if you put him into that Rockies rotation, you know,

566
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: that might have changed certain things, you know, pretty quickly.

567
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: So I think it's a lot of it has to

568
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 5: do with Dick Monford and that sense of control. And

569
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: it's not really clear why he doesn't want to go

570
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: out and have baseball people making the baseball decisions with

571
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 5: the amount of attendance that the Rockies get. You know,

572
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 5: Dick Moffort does a great job as a businessman, and

573
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 5: he's very loyal. He takes great care of the employees

574
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: of the organization and the players, But on the baseball

575
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 5: side of things, he's he's not gifted at all in

576
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 5: any way, and he just you know, refuses to turn

577
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 5: the reins over to someone who does know what they're doing,

578
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 5: or even go outside the organization. That was something that

579
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 5: when Jeff Bridi stepped aside in twenty twenty one, you know,

580
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 5: Momford did say that, you know, we might have to

581
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: go outside the organization and we'll certainly look after. Bill

582
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 5: Schmidt was a point as the interim GM. He decided that,

583
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: you know, making one trade at the deadline, you know,

584
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 5: was a good enough job. And so Bill Schmidt continues

585
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 5: to be the general manager and then you know, the

586
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 5: next trade deadline in twenty twenty two, Colorado was the

587
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: only team that didn't make a deal ahead of the deadline.

588
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of complacency I think coming

589
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 5: out of ownership and really much, if not all, of

590
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 5: the Folcus really does you know, lay on Dick Monford's shoulders.

591
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,160
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592
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Speaker 2: you're all set. I've seen a theme with the historically

612
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: bad teams in the last few years. They are losing

613
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: significantly at the margins. Have you witnessed any players or

614
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: any development issues within the Rockies that you can point out.

615
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the way it's described to me by players

616
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: is that they'll go to most teams and it's a corporation, right,

617
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: They've got information for them on what they can change.

618
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: They've got amazing prep for them before every game, there's

619
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: so many different resources and luxuries, and then they go

620
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: to the Rockies and it's just a baseball team, Like,

621
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: just go out there and play. And that's how much

622
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: of a difference it is. And the game has passed

623
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: by Dick Monfort because he's the one that has to

624
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: actually approved budgets to do things like this. Often these

625
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: things are not super expensive in the grand scheme of baseball.

626
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, we should really have this thing that

627
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: every other team has. It costs two hundred K. He's like, Nah,

628
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: we don't need it. So have you heard anything about that?

629
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: Because that's the digging I've done, and I've heard that

630
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: pretty frequently for while now.

631
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 5: Well, Colorado certainly has said the quiet part out loud.

632
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: And every time they bring in a new player, it's

633
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 5: usually because he wanted to be here, not because necessarily,

634
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 5: you know, we need an addition here, or we need

635
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 5: an improvement, we need to step up in some sort

636
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 5: of capacity. It's that this guy was willing to come

637
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 5: here in a certain capacity. And so I think that

638
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 5: that speaks volumes to the Rockies kind of going by

639
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: the wayside and being as somewhat of a last resort

640
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 5: for a lot of players. It was only a couple

641
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: of years ago that they put together a pitching lab

642
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: in their facility down at Salt River Fields down in Scottsdale, Arizona,

643
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 5: and even that is still years behind. It was after

644
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 5: the twenty nineteen season where they did immediate availability and

645
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 5: I think Buddy even said, but Black said that, you know,

646
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 5: the team was probably five or more years behind everybody

647
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 5: else in Major League Baseball in terms of analytics departments,

648
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 5: and then from there the analytics team dwindled down to

649
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 5: where they they only had one at one point just

650
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 5: you know, towards the end of the year the pandemic.

651
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 5: So they've reinvested in that just a little bit, but

652
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: they certainly fall way behind pretty much what is considered

653
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: to be the standard across Major League Baseball and just

654
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 5: about every category.

655
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: Do all the three million fans that come out to

656
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: these games want the Rockies to win? Or have they

657
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: done a good job of making an entertainment? Like you'd

658
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: go to a concert and you're like, I want to

659
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: hear a good concert, but I'm here for the vibes.

660
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent vibes. At this point, there have

661
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 5: been people who've been longtime season ticket holders that have

662
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 5: given up their season tickets, and it's pretty much considered

663
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 5: to be the best outdoor sports bar in Denver where

664
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 5: people hang out up at the rooftop and it's totally packed.

665
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: The beers are somewhat affordable compared to a lot of

666
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 5: the bars in Loto, And there was something that Purple

667
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: Row they do a wonderful job where they had someone

668
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 5: go down and talk with fans and some of them

669
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: couldn't name any of the current players on the team.

670
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 5: Certainly a lot harder with Charlie Blackman just having retired.

671
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: Nobody knew any of the prospects. I've even heard tales

672
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 5: of folks going up to the rooftop and asking, do

673
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 5: you know who's even playing tonight? And that can certainly

674
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 5: be a challenge when usually the fans are the ones

675
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: that send the message to the front office that hey,

676
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 5: things need to change and we're not going to show up.

677
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 5: But they're continually is are people that will take the

678
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 5: place of those hardcore fans, either because their transplants and

679
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 5: continuing to move into Colorado, or because Denver is still

680
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: relatively affordable. So no matter what team you root for

681
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 5: when the Padres come to town. The Padres fans travel

682
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 5: really well. We even saw Let's Go Tiger's chant during

683
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 5: this past week, and I don't think folks from Detroit

684
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: usually have that kind of income to be traveling and

685
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: going to all kinds of various cities across the US.

686
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 5: But yet they were able to go out and support

687
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: their team in Denver. So it does feel more and

688
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: more as these one hundred lost seasons continue to pile up,

689
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 5: that it's almost a fifty to fifty break between people

690
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 5: that are there to actually see the Rockies and people

691
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: were there to actually see the opposing team.

692
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of teams that are running into

693
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: that problem.

694
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: But from what you just said, I don't know if

695
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: you heard us talking about this before you came on,

696
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: but who's the Rockies All Star this year? If you

697
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: had to look at it right now in how many

698
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: of those fans could name the guy who is going

699
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: to be their All Star? Because I don't know who

700
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, you look at it, Goodman maybe

701
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: would be the one, But there's a lot of good

702
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: catching in the al So that's a rough spot to start.

703
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: But who's their All.

704
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 5: Star right now, if you're looking at wins Bo replacement,

705
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 5: Jake Bird is probably going to do that. And sometimes

706
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 5: the All Star teams will pick up a setup man

707
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 5: and give that guy credit. In the past, I think

708
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 5: Bud Black has been integral in getting the player that

709
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: he thinks should go to the All Star Game, because

710
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 5: usually it's two or three players that are kind of

711
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: the best options. It was Herman Marquez's time in twenty

712
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: twenty one, and so he ended up getting the not

713
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 5: Elias Diez was neck and neck with you know, a

714
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 5: couple other players like Ryan McMahon, but it was Diez's

715
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 5: turn to get it. Last year, it was McMahon's turn,

716
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: and it really felt like this year it still probably

717
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 5: might end up being Breton Doyle. That's probably where my

718
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 5: money would go if I were a betting man, that

719
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: he'll he'll turn things around and be a little bit better.

720
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: But now with Bud Black not there and not being

721
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 5: able to talk with, you know, the the National League

722
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: Championship winner, the manager of that side, it's I really

723
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 5: don't know, Jake Bird, Breton Doyle, that's probably where it's

724
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 5: gonna end up being.

725
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: Did you see this coming? The Bud Black firing in

726
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: the sense that, or was it when Clint Hurdle came in.

727
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: Was it like, huh, oh, there's somebody prowling around here

728
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 3: that has a chance to like supplant Bud. And did

729
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: you think it was gonna be Clint that was gonna

730
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: step in?

731
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 5: Not necessarily, it did seem like maybe the writing was

732
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 5: on the wall when when Clint was brought in just

733
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 5: a little bit, and you know, they could they could

734
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 5: cohabitate and be fine there. They're both, you know, two

735
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: per professionals and respect each other, So that wasn't an issue.

736
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: When Warren Schaeffer was added to the big league coaching

737
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 5: staff as the third base coach, it really seemed like

738
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: he was going to be this heir apparent under the

739
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: tutelage of Bud Black, and it was really only going

740
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 5: to be a matter of time when that would actually happen.

741
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: And you know, even when that change made and Bam

742
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: Bam was was let go as the hitting coach and

743
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 5: you know, became the scapegoat so to speak, for a

744
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: lot of the organizational problems that they've been having, and

745
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 5: Clint Hurdle came in. That was a surprise to me

746
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: because again, it's very rare to lose one hundred games

747
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 5: in back to back seasons and then come back as

748
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 5: the manager for year three, So even that firing was

749
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 5: a surprise. And then you know, on Saturday night, with

750
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 5: the twenty one to nothing loss, it felt like when

751
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 5: Bud Black left that room that that was probably going

752
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: to be the last time that I saw him. And

753
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 5: I think because Derek Shelton was fired. The Rockies operate

754
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 5: almost as like the twenty ninth team twenty nine in

755
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 5: every way, and as long as there's one team that's

756
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 5: doing worse than them in some capacity, they can always

757
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 5: point and say, well, at least we're not those guys.

758
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 5: And as soon as Derek Shelton lost his job in Pittsburgh,

759
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: it seemed like, well, the Rockies are now number thirty,

760
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 5: Bud Black has to be on the hottest seat. And

761
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 5: with that loss twenty one to nothing twenty four hours

762
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 5: after GM, Bill Schmidt said, hey, our confidence is with

763
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: this guy. Everything's fine. Enough was enough, and they just

764
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 5: had to do something different, despite the fact that it

765
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 5: really is just lip service for a roster that isn't

766
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: just going to get magically better overnight, because there's a

767
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: new guy in charge.

768
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: There's a good thing. Totis through for four hundred yards

769
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: in that game against the Rockies twenty one. I mean

770
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: it was unbelievable. Three Tuddies, Yeah, three tutties. All right.

771
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we've beat adapt to dead. It's not

772
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: Bud Block's fault. And we also is coming.

773
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: But the White Sox slogan this year, as we've been told,

774
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: is just don't be as bad as the Rockies. So

775
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: welcome to White Sox Land, Rocky fans. Now, what's the future,

776
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know.

777
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: What do they do? Who do they say sign? They're

778
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 3: not gonna sign. They've shown no, you know, willingness to

779
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 3: go on play in the free agent market. So what's

780
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: the future. Because the Dodgers aren't going away, the Padres

781
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: don't seem like they're going away, the Diamondbacks aren't going away.

782
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: The Giants are now back in it with Buster Posey.

783
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: How do they get back into some sort of let's

784
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: start with respectability before we even start talking about playoffs.

785
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 5: After twenty twenty one, when they lost Trevor Story and

786
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: John Gray, and they had traded Nolan Aaronado before that season,

787
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: it was a rebuild, and the Rockies don't like to

788
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: use that word rebuild, which seems ridiculous considering you know,

789
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 5: how poorly they've played the last three years. They now

790
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 5: need to rebuild again, and they don't even have a

791
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: ton of trade chips right now because of how poorly

792
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: they've been playing. So despite the fact that they can

793
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: get rid of guys on one year deals, they're not

794
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 5: going to get a ton in return. That's not going

795
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 5: to improve their roster all that much. So it's going

796
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: to take a much more larger organizational overhaul, which I'm

797
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 5: not convinced they are are committed in doing, but that

798
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: would really be the only possible solution for them to

799
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 5: get this thing back on track. And even then, if

800
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: they were to do something like that, it might not

801
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 5: be until twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty that this team

802
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 5: ends up getting themselves back to some little bit of

803
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: respectability because the guys that are in this clubhouse, you know,

804
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 5: they've suffered through it. They've been they've been traumatized in

805
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 5: many ways. Like Brenton Doyle, as great of a player

806
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 5: as he's been, he's never been a part of a

807
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 5: team that's lost ninety nine games or less like that's

808
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 5: that's an unfortunate thing. And so cleaning house slowly but surely,

809
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 5: and making some larger organizational changes, putting in a president

810
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: of baseball operations, you know, revitalizing the minor league system,

811
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 5: because despite the fact that they draft high every year,

812
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 5: they're not developing as well as they should be, despite

813
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 5: considering themselves a draft and developed team. And as you

814
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 5: guys know, you talked about it. Last year with the

815
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: White Sox they set a record for most losses one

816
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 5: hundred and twenty one l's and yet they could only

817
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 5: pick tenth in the twenty twenty five MLB draft. The

818
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: same fate is befalling the Rockies right now because they

819
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 5: are they can only select tenth in twenty twenty six,

820
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 5: despite right now being on a one hundred and thirty

821
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 5: three lost pace.

822
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: And that is what I tell you of the lottery.

823
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: Welcome to the White Sox, Tom, Welcome to the White Sox fandom.

824
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: Rocky fans, congratulations.

825
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: The lottery is great a lot.

826
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I love that they can't pick till tenth because it

827
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: should discourage tanking like the NBA does and other leagues

828
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: do good tanking.

829
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: You should have to try to win.

830
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, let me just say this,

831
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: if they break the White Sox record this year, which

832
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: they're well on their way to do, gosh, it sucks

833
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: to be a White Sox and we can't have anything nice.

834
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: We set the Ross record, they're gonna lose it after

835
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: one year. At least let us have it for a

836
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: couple of years.

837
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: You guys won in two thousand and five. You've won

838
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: him their twenty first century.

839
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: Would still like at least let us have one nice thing.

840
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: You've got the Pope. Do you need more than that?

841
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 3: That's a great point. That's a great point. Yeah, we

842
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: win the Pope an aj fan, Yeah, we win. Didn't

843
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: you see him on our game on Saturday night? He

844
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: was wearing my jersey? What do you want me to do?

845
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: You?

846
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Was that the two?

847
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: What do you mean? No?

848
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: Did you guys do like a graphic or something?

849
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? They made him and my jury?

850
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Yep, I love it.

851
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

852
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: Well, this was great, Patrick, Thank you so much for

853
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: joining us. Everyone get Patrick'll follow at Patrick d Lyons

854
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: l io NS. Thanks Patrick, appreciate it.

855
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: Thank you guys.

856
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: Have a good one.

857
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: Hey, for the card collectors out there, you need to

858
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: know about Arena Club. You can check out our showrooms.

859
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: We've all got cards in there. You can buy, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 2: That's what he said.

881
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: That's what he said. Do we have something else dramatic

883
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: going on in Boston? Let's read this outn Mceltics covering

884
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: the Celtics.

885
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: Celtics come back on that ass.

886
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we'll see, We'll see. Sean McAdam said this,

887
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: Robbie Hyde tweeting it out our Monster Territory host. There's

888
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: some growing frustration within the Red Sox organization about outfielder

889
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Saddan Rafaela. More than once, Rafaela has been advised in

890
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: the dugout to take the first pitch in his next

891
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: step bat, only to swing freely minutes later. This is

892
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: tough because because this is now Robbie talking, Raffaelle has

893
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: been great lately, but it makes Robbie wonder what the

894
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: Red Sox think about it's sticking long term. Could also

895
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 2: be something to pay attention to with Roman Anthony, who

896
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: has close to an eighteen percent walk rate, which ranks

897
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: thirteenth in all of Minor league baseball. Yeah, he's been

898
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: an on base machine in the miners. Rafaella clearly has not.

899
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: He's got other strengths, but I mean, hey, you swung

900
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: out a lot of pitches.

901
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was times where I knew I couldn't

902
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: swing at the first pitch, right. So I'll tell this

903
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: story Brian Anderson, if you're listening, I love you'd be

904
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: a We were playing Kenny Rogers and we were trying

905
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: to get him out of the game. We had a

906
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: whole thing, we had a whole meeting about he doesn't

907
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 3: you know, he kind of nibbles. Everyone has to take

908
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: a strike all the way through the lineup. So we

909
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: go one through eight.

910
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: Everyone takes a strike, tries to get deemed account first pitch.

911
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Brian Anderson swings to the first pitch in Our hitting

912
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: coach Greg Walker at the time was like, son, he's

913
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: from sald George.

914
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: He's like, what the are you doing? BEA's like what

915
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: He's like, didn't you hear the meaning? He's like, Oh,

916
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: I forgot What what do you mean you forgot?

917
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: Well he hit ninth.

918
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a long time ago, but still, but

919
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: these are the things.

920
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: Though, when you're in Raphael is a little more established

921
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: than what Brian Anderson ended up being. But these are

922
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: the things that would get guys mad at you and

923
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: then also coaches down on you and then they would

924
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: send you out on you because they just like he

925
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: don't listen.

926
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: No, it's changed a little bit. Raphael has other strings.

927
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: But this is these are the little things that you

928
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 3: have to do. And it was just you know, when

929
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: you got Jim told me.

930
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: If they're taking a pitch for the team, and Kenny

931
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Rodgers pumped some eighty eight down the middle, like you're

932
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: Brian Anderson, you gotta take it.

933
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: I love you be I'm sorry I told the story.

934
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: But that's a good story. But Rafaella is signed through

935
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one.

936
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 3: I know.

937
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: But this is also the thing where people get angry

938
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: and are like other some teammates would be like, dude,

939
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: if I have to take one, you have to take one.

940
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: This is winning baseball. I remember Chase Utley took a

941
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: two to zero pitch. We were playing Arietta at the time.

942
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: Jake Ariott like good Jake Arietta. He got two to zero.

943
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: It was a zero zero game, and he took a

944
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: fastball rate down the middle two one. It wasn't his

945
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: time to swing. Next batter swung at the very first pitch.

946
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: It wasn't Ryan Howard at the time, but very next

947
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: pitch he swings at the very first pitch of the

948
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: at bat. Chase comes into dugout and was so pissed.

949
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: He never he never said anything like he never called

950
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: anybody out during games loud. He was so pissed. He's like,

951
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna take a pitch right down the middle,

952
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: that means everybody's supposed to pay attention watch the game,

953
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: and you're also taking pitches because this guy is the

954
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: elite pitcher. Get him out of the game. Like it's

955
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 3: about I think there's a shift in Boston that maybe

956
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: Saydan doesn't necessarily see or something. And he's like, you know,

957
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: the shift is we're gonna win. We're gonna take team

958
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 3: at bats, and that's what you have to do. Not

959
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 3: every hit is as productive as some at bats are productive.

960
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: That don't come that don't come to fruition with a hit,

961
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: Like you've got to play together all nine in the lineup.

962
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: And this is a case where he's just probably got

963
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: to learn. He's still young and his and his value

964
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: comes from the defense.

965
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's twenty four, right, he's super fast. He's playing

966
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: elite defense both eye test and metrics, so he is

967
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: very valuable to the team. You know, from a Red

968
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Sox perspective, I think he's close to a two win

969
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: player already, and roll only a quarter into the season.

970
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: It's good numbers.

971
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: It is all in defense. It's all in defense.

972
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: It goes back to the conversation we had the other

973
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: day when we had Cam on and I don't know

974
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: who we were talking.

975
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't know who we were talking to. What we

976
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: were talking about.

977
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: The scoreboard, Evan Grant.

978
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Evan Grant, you played to the scoreboard, and the scoreboard

979
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: tells you what you got.

980
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: Now, Listen, did I swing a lot of the first pitch? Absolutely?

981
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: Did I take a lot of pitches that I probably

982
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: could have swung at Absolutely, Because it was if I

983
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: get two, oh, and we're down four runs and there's

984
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: nobody on base, I ain't swaying. Why would I, Because

985
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: I can't hit a four run homer. We need to

986
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 3: Even if I hit a home run, we're still down three,

987
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: so I need to get on base for that. So

988
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: there was a million Listen. Was I ever do always

989
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: do everything right? Absolutely not. But I tried to do

990
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: the right things, and I tried to do team things

991
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: at bats. I mean, you know, anyone can get called

992
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 3: it back to a bat. But there are times where

993
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: again the scoreboard dictates how you play the game, and

994
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: sometimes meetings dictate aja In an era of travel baseball,

995
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: how many times do you see this? Travel baseball tournaments

996
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: are one hundred percent a showcase for kids, and that's

997
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 3: all they're doing is they're just showcasing themselves. First pitch out,

998
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: Next dude comes up, first pitch rocket somewhere, probably an

999
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: out because hitting is hard. I don't care what level

1000
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: you're doing it in, but kids aren't learning that. So for

1001
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: me as a manager, if i'm I mean a generation

1002
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: of players coming up, and I'm not saying this is

1003
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: Sadam's fault. I'm saying that this kind of thing was

1004
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: taught in the minor leagues. We used to have baseball

1005
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 3: one oh one when I was in the minor leagues

1006
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: with the Blue Jays. They don't have this, they don't

1007
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: have this education. In like early baseball, travel team baseball

1008
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: is about what can you do for yourself and get

1009
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: that knock instead of like learning how to play as

1010
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: a game, and the less minor league levels that you have,

1011
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: the less opportunities you have to learn how to win,

1012
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 3: especially because they don't care about winning as much in

1013
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: the minor leagues. I mean, I saw three pitch inning

1014
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: this year, which I never thought i'd seen the major leagues.

1015
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: I saw.

1016
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: I saw them hit double play, first pitch out.

1017
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: And it was the ninth inning, I think too. I

1018
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: was like what. I couldn't believe it. I was like,

1019
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: did I just see a three pitch inning? I did.

1020
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: I saw a three pitch inning in the big leagues never.

1021
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: I may probably have seen one before, but it would

1022
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: just when you see one, you're just like, and I

1023
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: have conversations, you know.

1024
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: Crowds talking about tree. I would. We both have sons

1025
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: and my son sometimes my son will take a pitch

1026
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: and people people ask.

1027
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Me, why why did he take that two well fastball,

1028
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, or why did he take that

1029
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: first pitch?

1030
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: Heater?

1031
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: Well, the kid before made a first pitch out, so

1032
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: he's trying. Because especially in high school, like the quicker,

1033
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: you can get that starter out of the game because

1034
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: most teams.

1035
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: Have like two or three decent starters, maybe one. You

1036
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 3: want to get to the bullpen in most teams because

1037
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: it's just it's high school just ain't as good. So

1038
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: the quicker you can get that guy out. But there

1039
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: are times where you have to suck it up.

1040
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: And there were times, listen, I mean a lot of

1041
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: times after the other team scored, you'd be like, hey,

1042
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: take one, give our hitter, give our pitcher a break,

1043
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: our pitch out to back up some bases, right, or hey,

1044
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: the guy.

1045
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 3: Swung the first pitch, you got to take the next

1046
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: one if you have. If you make two pitches on

1047
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: two outs, the next guy's got to take two strikes.

1048
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: You should right, you're flying yeah, because you don't want

1049
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: I mean, at least make it a pitch.

1050
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: In right well to swing this back to Raphaela. The

1051
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 2: front office likes a lot of what he's done this year,

1052
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: even if you haven't seen the more classic OPS results.

1053
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: So last year, in a full season, he had a

1054
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: six to sixty four OPS. This year it's a six

1055
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: sixty seven. Actually, his rookie yar with six sixty seven

1056
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: as well, so you're getting the same OPS results. His

1057
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: walk rate is about double what it was last year

1058
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: in a full season. His expected numbers, which I know

1059
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: they're expected numbers, but they are way way higher than

1060
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: what they were last year, Like his expected slugan percentage,

1061
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: is five h nine, So you could say there's some

1062
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: batted ball unluckiness there. Barrel percentage numbers are numbers, I know.

1063
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 3: But it's early in the sea he expected.

1064
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that the front office perspective is

1065
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: we are seeing a lot of good indicators that this

1066
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: guy is improving at the plate, even though the chase

1067
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: percentage is still pretty wild.

1068
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: That you're going to have a good expected numbers when

1069
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: you swing at a lot of pitches, you're gonna have

1070
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: because you're getting your A swing off on a B pitch.

1071
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: So that is where I think front offices get that

1072
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: wrong with the expected stuff. If you have a dude

1073
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 3: that controls the zone and his expected numbers are higher,

1074
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: that's when you're gonna see that uptick. I agree with AJ.

1075
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: His numbers are his numbers, and when you're a swinger,

1076
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: you're going to get your expected numbers go up. And

1077
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: then it's it's almost like a crutch. It kind of

1078
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 3: like he's gonna I just can't catch a break. Well,

1079
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: you could catch a break if you wait for the

1080
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 3: pitch that you're going to drive, not just hit hard.

1081
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: No doubt. But I mean we talked about hobby Bayaz

1082
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: for the last three years swinging out of his mind,

1083
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: and he actually did corral it a little bit this

1084
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: year and look at him. Go it's a very valuable player.

1085
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: By the Tigers started swinging less, so they're.

1086
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 3: Talking to one of the all times swingers here. So right,

1087
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: But my point, I've put the ball in play a lot.

1088
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: Are you concerned about Rothi Yella as a big leaguer

1089
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: or do you think that the Red Sox.

1090
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: Then I think this was just twenty four. I think

1091
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: he made a mistake. He's made some mistakes, and we've

1092
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: all made mistakes and stuff, and I think you know,

1093
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: someone tweeted about it and said something about it, and

1094
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: it's just it's what happens in big markets more than

1095
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: smaller markets where you just nitpick something. Right, Oh well,

1096
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: oh well, the third bench coach for the Red Sox said,

1097
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: rafael is supposed to take We can write a whole

1098
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: article about this and get the fans against Raffaela like

1099
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: he's doing exactly what he's there for. He's playing great defense,

1100
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: he gets on if he gets on base, he puts

1101
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 1: some pressure because he can run.

1102
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: Like the numbers are what their numbers are. And I

1103
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: don't know. This is this shouldn't be a big deal.

1104
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 3: If so long as someone went up to him said, hey,

1105
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to swing there, then they've done their job. Now,

1106
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: if he continues to do it like ten times, then

1107
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 3: you'll have a conversation like, hey, dude, but one time,

1108
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: who cares?

1109
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing, burger, Okay, I'm with you. I like the player,

1110
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 2: that's all. I think there's still very good potential there

1111
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: for him to even get the back on a little

1112
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: bit more than what it's looking like at least ops wise.

1113
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: But what do I know. Let's slap Ayj's up. First.

1114
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: I got a couple of birthdays. First, Lance Lens birthdays today,

1115
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: So happy birthday, Lance. But also I noticed that Low

1116
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: Whitaker's birthday is today, and Yogi Yogi Barra. But how

1117
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: the hell is Lance Lou Whitaker not in the damn

1118
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. He's got seventy five wars, seventy five war,

1119
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: and he's got all like four digits.

1120
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: When you look at your at Baseball Reference and they're

1121
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: all like four digits, that means you were really good.

1122
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: Seventy five War, seventy five Yogi Bears was only fifty nine.

1123
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: He got screwed.

1124
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: He needs to be in. Somebody figure out how the

1125
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: help we get Lou Whittaker in.

1126
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: Agreed.

1127
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: And then second of all, we had a conversation about this,

1128
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: and don't tell me that I'm not the Pope's favorite player.

1129
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: Just Sam, look at that. Wow, I mean that was

1130
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: right after he was introduced, you got I mean that.

1131
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: Was under the shirt right because we didn't see that.

1132
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: No, no, that was he took it off once the camera.

1133
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh gotcha.

1134
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: I had a special spy there took a picture of it.

1135
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: Special whats you guys name Stanley Tucci. He's on his

1136
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: left right there too, taking a picture. You know, Stanley

1137
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: Tucci isci bat actor guy. The actor guy left.

1138
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: Well, got some similar looks, I know you're talking about. Well,

1139
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: congrats to the Pope for for obviously becoming the Pope

1140
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: and also flipping a white sox man.

1141
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 3: Apparently, if you need a cameo, Pope, you cameo me.

1142
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 3: Hit me. What a choice.

1143
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,319
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1144
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: in any sport parlay boost token, you score a bigger

1145
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: payout if you're wager with the parlay boost token. Hits

1146
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: token can be used on parlays and same game parlays. Obviously,

1147
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: if you're not going baseball, there's some good hockey and

1148
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: basketball action going on right now too. Gambling problem more concern,

1149
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: called one eight hundred gambler