1 00:00:15,436 --> 00:00:32,636 Speaker 1: Pushkin, Pushkin. Hey everyone, this is number three in our 2 00:00:32,716 --> 00:00:36,276 Speaker 1: four episode run with the Red Hot Chili Peppers celebrating 3 00:00:36,316 --> 00:00:39,716 Speaker 1: their new album Unlimited Love. Today you'll hear a very 4 00:00:39,756 --> 00:00:44,156 Speaker 1: special conversation between Rick Rubin and Flee. Flee is one 5 00:00:44,156 --> 00:00:46,716 Speaker 1: of the most iconic bass players of all time, and, 6 00:00:46,756 --> 00:00:49,796 Speaker 1: along with singer Anthony ketis one of the all time 7 00:00:49,916 --> 00:00:53,956 Speaker 1: great musical ambassadors of Los Angeles. He talks with Rick 8 00:00:53,996 --> 00:00:56,476 Speaker 1: on today's episode about how he rocks started his way 9 00:00:56,476 --> 00:01:00,316 Speaker 1: into usc to study music. Theory, remembers tearfully telling John 10 00:01:00,356 --> 00:01:03,516 Speaker 1: Fruschante how much he missed playing together, and tells Rick 11 00:01:03,596 --> 00:01:06,476 Speaker 1: why he reverts back to his fifteen year old self anytime. 12 00:01:06,476 --> 00:01:12,516 Speaker 1: He argues with ketis this is broken record? Well, I 13 00:01:12,516 --> 00:01:15,076 Speaker 1: don't know. It's for the digital age. I'm just a mission. 14 00:01:16,076 --> 00:01:20,356 Speaker 1: Here's Rick Rubin with Flee. Yo, Hi, Rack, How are 15 00:01:20,356 --> 00:01:23,356 Speaker 1: you feeling good? Thank you? How are you? I'm very 16 00:01:23,356 --> 00:01:26,116 Speaker 1: well pleasure seeing you man, Thank you. Do you want 17 00:01:26,116 --> 00:01:27,516 Speaker 1: to just talk about what it was like going to 18 00:01:27,516 --> 00:01:30,356 Speaker 1: the studio making the new album? Yeah, I don't know 19 00:01:30,356 --> 00:01:32,676 Speaker 1: what to say. I mean, you know, we just did 20 00:01:32,716 --> 00:01:36,036 Speaker 1: the work, you know, like, I don't know how it 21 00:01:36,076 --> 00:01:38,676 Speaker 1: is for people who have never made records. But you 22 00:01:38,756 --> 00:01:43,476 Speaker 1: just do the work man, you know, like all the homework, 23 00:01:44,076 --> 00:01:47,636 Speaker 1: the countless hours that we spend a loan sitting in 24 00:01:47,636 --> 00:01:52,436 Speaker 1: a room. You know, how can I contribute and following 25 00:01:53,276 --> 00:01:56,156 Speaker 1: these feelings of something that makes us feel a certain way, 26 00:01:56,236 --> 00:01:59,996 Speaker 1: like like I know for myself and for John and 27 00:02:00,116 --> 00:02:03,076 Speaker 1: for Anthony, I mean, we all have a different way 28 00:02:03,116 --> 00:02:05,356 Speaker 1: that we do it. But like they're just sit in 29 00:02:05,356 --> 00:02:08,036 Speaker 1: a room at the piano and start hitting a thing 30 00:02:08,676 --> 00:02:11,116 Speaker 1: until one point I'm hitting it in a way that 31 00:02:11,276 --> 00:02:15,436 Speaker 1: hypnotizes me, that makes me feel like ah, like hit 32 00:02:15,556 --> 00:02:18,396 Speaker 1: you know, and then it's beautiful. And the same thing 33 00:02:18,396 --> 00:02:21,436 Speaker 1: with the bass, like this playing and like I played 34 00:02:21,516 --> 00:02:26,356 Speaker 1: ten zillion basslines in my life, and when I start playing, 35 00:02:26,356 --> 00:02:28,076 Speaker 1: when it's like, oh this is different than when I've 36 00:02:28,076 --> 00:02:31,836 Speaker 1: played before. And I'm jeeling right now? Is Jewel coming 37 00:02:31,876 --> 00:02:34,796 Speaker 1: down to my fucking belly? Because I'm gone and it 38 00:02:35,436 --> 00:02:37,796 Speaker 1: takes me away, like it opens me up to a 39 00:02:37,836 --> 00:02:42,556 Speaker 1: place that is beyond thought, beyond action. It's just me 40 00:02:42,676 --> 00:02:46,196 Speaker 1: in touch with God, you know, me being completely present 41 00:02:46,276 --> 00:02:50,036 Speaker 1: and complete as a human being in that moment. That's good. 42 00:02:50,356 --> 00:02:52,116 Speaker 1: And it might not be the right thing for the band, 43 00:02:52,116 --> 00:02:54,276 Speaker 1: and it's still like thing like coming in being kind 44 00:02:54,316 --> 00:02:55,796 Speaker 1: of like, well, I got this, you guys, what do 45 00:02:55,836 --> 00:02:58,876 Speaker 1: you think you know? And sometimes it's like, ah, you know, 46 00:02:59,076 --> 00:03:00,756 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I feel that, 47 00:03:00,876 --> 00:03:01,676 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I was like, Oh, I 48 00:03:01,756 --> 00:03:04,236 Speaker 1: like still crest falling because I still care so much, 49 00:03:04,276 --> 00:03:09,476 Speaker 1: and ultimately for us as a band, that's what really matters, 50 00:03:09,516 --> 00:03:13,796 Speaker 1: as we still really care. And if this thing that 51 00:03:13,916 --> 00:03:17,396 Speaker 1: we do was it all just as a means to 52 00:03:17,516 --> 00:03:20,676 Speaker 1: an end to have to put out a record so 53 00:03:20,756 --> 00:03:22,476 Speaker 1: we can do a big tour so we can have 54 00:03:22,516 --> 00:03:24,396 Speaker 1: a hit, or so we can get this, or that 55 00:03:24,796 --> 00:03:26,996 Speaker 1: we'd be fucked. There's no way we would be doing 56 00:03:27,036 --> 00:03:32,476 Speaker 1: anything important or relevant in any way. But because we 57 00:03:32,676 --> 00:03:36,236 Speaker 1: care deeply not only about the quality of the thing, 58 00:03:36,956 --> 00:03:39,716 Speaker 1: but about the quality and the meaning and purpose in 59 00:03:39,756 --> 00:03:42,956 Speaker 1: the process of making it, and like the thing of 60 00:03:42,996 --> 00:03:45,756 Speaker 1: like this is a ritual that is a sacred ritual. 61 00:03:45,796 --> 00:03:47,636 Speaker 1: When we go into work with you, when we go 62 00:03:47,636 --> 00:03:50,636 Speaker 1: into work by ourselves alone at home, sitting alone, going 63 00:03:50,676 --> 00:03:53,236 Speaker 1: into work with the collective every day, like this is 64 00:03:53,236 --> 00:03:56,876 Speaker 1: a sacred ritual. We do this, we open ourselves up 65 00:03:57,196 --> 00:03:59,796 Speaker 1: to channel something bigger than us, and to shape it 66 00:03:59,836 --> 00:04:04,436 Speaker 1: into these songs and that process. You know, the fact 67 00:04:04,476 --> 00:04:08,676 Speaker 1: that we all care deeply about that is why the 68 00:04:08,796 --> 00:04:12,116 Speaker 1: music has thought and care and loving it. And for me, 69 00:04:12,396 --> 00:04:17,316 Speaker 1: it's still deeply relevant to the universe, absolutely, And I 70 00:04:17,356 --> 00:04:19,636 Speaker 1: think that's the reason that people resonate with it and 71 00:04:19,756 --> 00:04:22,636 Speaker 1: have for so long, is that it's it's much bigger 72 00:04:22,636 --> 00:04:25,756 Speaker 1: than any of the people involved. That we're tapping into 73 00:04:25,796 --> 00:04:32,396 Speaker 1: something serious. Yeah, man, tell me about learning to play piano. Well, 74 00:04:32,836 --> 00:04:35,836 Speaker 1: it's a slow process that you know. I'm still a 75 00:04:35,916 --> 00:04:39,156 Speaker 1: humble student of it, you know, I guess like I 76 00:04:39,196 --> 00:04:40,956 Speaker 1: still feel the same way at the base, I'm still 77 00:04:40,956 --> 00:04:44,476 Speaker 1: a humble student of it. It was guess, gosh, Now 78 00:04:44,516 --> 00:04:47,676 Speaker 1: it's like when did John quit the band in twenty 79 00:04:47,916 --> 00:04:51,476 Speaker 1: ten something like that. Yeah, I was around then. And 80 00:04:51,516 --> 00:04:55,636 Speaker 1: then about a year after that, I got the idea 81 00:04:55,716 --> 00:05:00,116 Speaker 1: to go to college to university and study music. Ran 82 00:05:00,196 --> 00:05:02,716 Speaker 1: I went. I kind of rock started my way into 83 00:05:02,916 --> 00:05:05,916 Speaker 1: USC because I didn't have the high school grades from 84 00:05:06,116 --> 00:05:08,956 Speaker 1: thirty years before to get in and got into the 85 00:05:09,156 --> 00:05:13,596 Speaker 1: music program. Nan went and took theory and composition and 86 00:05:13,716 --> 00:05:17,716 Speaker 1: jazz trumpet and just to do the theory homework, I 87 00:05:17,756 --> 00:05:20,076 Speaker 1: had to sit at the piano because we were analyzing 88 00:05:20,116 --> 00:05:22,956 Speaker 1: Bach chorls and stuff, and you had to read it 89 00:05:22,996 --> 00:05:25,876 Speaker 1: and then write this sort of the numerical equation of 90 00:05:25,876 --> 00:05:27,996 Speaker 1: how the music worked, like how the chords related to 91 00:05:28,036 --> 00:05:31,396 Speaker 1: one another. And they were so great for me, just 92 00:05:31,436 --> 00:05:34,276 Speaker 1: because I had never thought of music in any way 93 00:05:34,356 --> 00:05:38,676 Speaker 1: other than you know, emotionally and intuitively. Was my complete 94 00:05:38,676 --> 00:05:40,916 Speaker 1: relation to music. And I had, you know, the most 95 00:05:40,996 --> 00:05:44,356 Speaker 1: minimal academic schooling, Like I knew what ancative was and 96 00:05:44,436 --> 00:05:46,196 Speaker 1: knew what a scale was, but it was all feel 97 00:05:46,276 --> 00:05:50,116 Speaker 1: for me. So to start thinking about it academically was 98 00:05:50,196 --> 00:05:52,516 Speaker 1: such a beautiful way to engage my mind and made 99 00:05:52,556 --> 00:05:54,916 Speaker 1: me start loving math for the first time and really 100 00:05:54,916 --> 00:05:58,356 Speaker 1: seeing the magic and numbers. But but anyways, in order 101 00:05:58,396 --> 00:06:00,516 Speaker 1: to do the to do that work, I needed to 102 00:06:00,516 --> 00:06:03,676 Speaker 1: sit at the piano, and also in analyzing the Bach, 103 00:06:03,756 --> 00:06:06,876 Speaker 1: which was kind of the crux of the academic studies, 104 00:06:06,916 --> 00:06:08,436 Speaker 1: it made me fall in love with Box. So I 105 00:06:08,476 --> 00:06:12,996 Speaker 1: started buying the most remedial Bach piano pieces and trying 106 00:06:13,036 --> 00:06:15,436 Speaker 1: to learn them, and I think I like to hand 107 00:06:15,476 --> 00:06:18,516 Speaker 1: in book and started just really loving the feeling of 108 00:06:18,556 --> 00:06:21,956 Speaker 1: the piano under my fingers. And started playing it. And 109 00:06:22,516 --> 00:06:25,116 Speaker 1: you know, whenever I have time, I play it. Oftentimes 110 00:06:25,236 --> 00:06:28,356 Speaker 1: my work is too consuming for me to have the 111 00:06:28,356 --> 00:06:32,676 Speaker 1: practice time. But it's just this ongoing thing. And it's 112 00:06:32,716 --> 00:06:34,796 Speaker 1: funny how you ever, know, like when you're learning something 113 00:06:34,836 --> 00:06:37,796 Speaker 1: new and you do it for a while and you start, 114 00:06:38,276 --> 00:06:39,956 Speaker 1: you know, you're learning the technique to do it or 115 00:06:39,996 --> 00:06:42,596 Speaker 1: figuring out how it works, and then you don't do 116 00:06:42,636 --> 00:06:44,876 Speaker 1: it for a while, and then come back and somehow 117 00:06:44,876 --> 00:06:48,036 Speaker 1: you're better, Like your brain has had like done these 118 00:06:48,076 --> 00:06:51,796 Speaker 1: this work without you. Yes, Yeah, which is a really 119 00:06:51,836 --> 00:06:54,436 Speaker 1: amazing thing about how the brain works like that, Like 120 00:06:55,076 --> 00:06:58,196 Speaker 1: there's the conscious work that it does that you're aware of, 121 00:06:58,916 --> 00:07:01,196 Speaker 1: and then there's all this subconscious work which is and 122 00:07:01,276 --> 00:07:03,396 Speaker 1: that's like amazing to me. And I'm kind of like 123 00:07:03,956 --> 00:07:06,836 Speaker 1: discovering that as I get older, that there's all this 124 00:07:06,916 --> 00:07:09,396 Speaker 1: work going on that I don't know about, and it's 125 00:07:09,436 --> 00:07:13,236 Speaker 1: such an amazing thing to witness to see. Would you 126 00:07:13,276 --> 00:07:18,236 Speaker 1: say learning piano and music theory has impacted your bass 127 00:07:18,236 --> 00:07:22,316 Speaker 1: playing enormously in what way? For one thing, having a 128 00:07:22,436 --> 00:07:25,956 Speaker 1: richer understanding of how the baseline relates to the chords, 129 00:07:26,636 --> 00:07:29,356 Speaker 1: then you start learning about chords and playing left hand 130 00:07:29,356 --> 00:07:31,956 Speaker 1: and right hand together, so you're always interacting and you're 131 00:07:31,956 --> 00:07:36,196 Speaker 1: realizing it's like stuff that I would do intuitively, but 132 00:07:36,516 --> 00:07:40,396 Speaker 1: seeing how Okay, so it's a C chord If you're 133 00:07:40,396 --> 00:07:42,476 Speaker 1: playing a G that's the fifth of the C, so 134 00:07:42,676 --> 00:07:44,996 Speaker 1: you're all of a sudden a C cord is getting 135 00:07:45,036 --> 00:07:47,476 Speaker 1: a different color because of what's in the base, and 136 00:07:47,636 --> 00:07:50,116 Speaker 1: just being aware of how that's working, and just kind 137 00:07:50,116 --> 00:07:54,236 Speaker 1: of having more of an understanding of not just kind 138 00:07:54,236 --> 00:07:56,436 Speaker 1: of getting lucky if when I'm hitting what note against 139 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:58,876 Speaker 1: a chord even though luck isn't the right word because 140 00:07:58,876 --> 00:08:01,556 Speaker 1: I'm still reaching for the color, but kind of going 141 00:08:01,596 --> 00:08:04,156 Speaker 1: into it with a deeper understanding of what the chord 142 00:08:04,276 --> 00:08:07,076 Speaker 1: is and what notes, you know, just kind of having 143 00:08:07,956 --> 00:08:13,116 Speaker 1: an arsenal colors to paint with and just really helping 144 00:08:13,156 --> 00:08:16,876 Speaker 1: me like that. So yeah, it really helps, And you know, 145 00:08:16,916 --> 00:08:21,956 Speaker 1: obviously it's like oftentimes in my contribution to the Chili 146 00:08:21,996 --> 00:08:24,236 Speaker 1: Peppers as a bass player, a lot of songs will 147 00:08:24,276 --> 00:08:27,556 Speaker 1: start with a bassline or with a series of bass 148 00:08:27,636 --> 00:08:31,276 Speaker 1: lines that go together to form different sections. And when 149 00:08:31,276 --> 00:08:34,796 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of chords and what chords the basslines might 150 00:08:34,836 --> 00:08:38,156 Speaker 1: imply while I'm doing it, it just helps me to 151 00:08:38,436 --> 00:08:42,356 Speaker 1: create better baselines. Are there any songs on the new 152 00:08:42,436 --> 00:08:46,356 Speaker 1: album that started with you at the piano? Yeah, bunch, 153 00:08:46,956 --> 00:08:50,276 Speaker 1: Well not the one for sure. That was, you know, 154 00:08:50,436 --> 00:08:54,396 Speaker 1: very chorded out on the piano, started with piano chords. 155 00:08:55,516 --> 00:08:57,956 Speaker 1: First time you played that on piano for the rest 156 00:08:57,956 --> 00:09:00,876 Speaker 1: of the band. What was that like? Well, I always 157 00:09:00,916 --> 00:09:04,996 Speaker 1: get nervous when I bring a song in, especially on 158 00:09:05,036 --> 00:09:08,956 Speaker 1: the piano, because you know, I'm not that adept at 159 00:09:08,956 --> 00:09:12,396 Speaker 1: the piano. But I really felt good about it. I 160 00:09:12,436 --> 00:09:14,236 Speaker 1: thought like, oh, this is I remember it like coming 161 00:09:14,316 --> 00:09:16,396 Speaker 1: up with it, thinking like this is good for the band, 162 00:09:16,436 --> 00:09:19,556 Speaker 1: like this is a beautiful thing. And now they were. 163 00:09:19,636 --> 00:09:22,396 Speaker 1: They were very amendable to it from the beginning. It 164 00:09:22,516 --> 00:09:26,276 Speaker 1: kind of changed over time, and I think what became 165 00:09:26,316 --> 00:09:29,116 Speaker 1: the chorus was initially a bridge. I in my head, 166 00:09:29,116 --> 00:09:30,836 Speaker 1: it was a bridge the way I had originally thought 167 00:09:30,876 --> 00:09:33,796 Speaker 1: of it, but Anthony really liked singing a chorus part 168 00:09:33,916 --> 00:09:36,716 Speaker 1: over it, and once we decided that was a chorus 169 00:09:36,756 --> 00:09:38,316 Speaker 1: and not a bridge, then it kind of needed to 170 00:09:38,396 --> 00:09:41,196 Speaker 1: change a little bit, and John had an idea to 171 00:09:41,276 --> 00:09:42,916 Speaker 1: change the chords at the end of it. When it 172 00:09:42,956 --> 00:09:45,996 Speaker 1: goes blues. Guys, I fall into da da da da, 173 00:09:46,036 --> 00:09:48,396 Speaker 1: and it kind of has this descending chord pattern. John 174 00:09:48,396 --> 00:09:51,636 Speaker 1: added that in there, and that really helped it a lot. 175 00:09:52,236 --> 00:09:54,316 Speaker 1: At the end, you notice I played this little um 176 00:09:54,876 --> 00:09:57,756 Speaker 1: bass melody, but edu da da da da, but edd 177 00:09:57,876 --> 00:10:01,156 Speaker 1: d da dah. And originally for me, that was the 178 00:10:01,236 --> 00:10:04,356 Speaker 1: vocal melody that I had in the verses, and in 179 00:10:04,356 --> 00:10:07,076 Speaker 1: my head that was always it. But I didn't want to, 180 00:10:07,116 --> 00:10:08,956 Speaker 1: you know, say to Anthony O, here's the vocal melody. 181 00:10:09,276 --> 00:10:10,556 Speaker 1: I knew that he would want to come up with 182 00:10:10,596 --> 00:10:12,756 Speaker 1: something and let him do it. But then when we 183 00:10:12,916 --> 00:10:15,196 Speaker 1: were tracking it and I did the bass later, which 184 00:10:15,276 --> 00:10:17,596 Speaker 1: is rare because normally I record the bass as one 185 00:10:17,596 --> 00:10:19,476 Speaker 1: of the first things that we record with the basics, 186 00:10:20,196 --> 00:10:21,756 Speaker 1: I just stuck it in there, snuck it in there 187 00:10:21,756 --> 00:10:23,036 Speaker 1: at the end because I didn't want to lose it 188 00:10:23,076 --> 00:10:25,636 Speaker 1: because I always liked that melody. But I guess it 189 00:10:25,716 --> 00:10:27,796 Speaker 1: is kind of more of an instrumental melody. You know. 190 00:10:27,996 --> 00:10:29,876 Speaker 1: I'm so happy it made it into the song because 191 00:10:29,876 --> 00:10:31,676 Speaker 1: I love that moment in the song. I feel like 192 00:10:31,716 --> 00:10:35,116 Speaker 1: it's really beautiful part of the whole thing. Yeah, it's 193 00:10:35,116 --> 00:10:37,356 Speaker 1: a nice little out show, but yeah, no, it was 194 00:10:37,436 --> 00:10:41,636 Speaker 1: good and you know, so oftentimes, like something the way 195 00:10:41,676 --> 00:10:47,156 Speaker 1: I imagine something being is by myself when I'm coming 196 00:10:47,236 --> 00:10:49,836 Speaker 1: up with it, compared to what it becomes once everyone 197 00:10:49,836 --> 00:10:53,236 Speaker 1: starts putting your two cents in, is something much different 198 00:10:53,236 --> 00:10:56,636 Speaker 1: than what I anticipated, And that's that's awesome. It's a 199 00:10:56,716 --> 00:11:01,676 Speaker 1: trip in our band in the creative process, because we're 200 00:11:01,716 --> 00:11:04,396 Speaker 1: all so different and have a different view of music, 201 00:11:04,556 --> 00:11:06,996 Speaker 1: you know, you know, which is all intertwined with different 202 00:11:06,996 --> 00:11:09,916 Speaker 1: worldviews and different views of ourself and different views of 203 00:11:09,916 --> 00:11:12,876 Speaker 1: even what the band is, you know, and with John 204 00:11:12,996 --> 00:11:15,956 Speaker 1: coming back to the band, who's you know, obviously a 205 00:11:16,156 --> 00:11:19,036 Speaker 1: very powerful creative entity and an individual entity on his 206 00:11:19,116 --> 00:11:22,836 Speaker 1: own knows who he is, you know, you know, in 207 00:11:22,916 --> 00:11:24,756 Speaker 1: ways it can be difficult for all of us because 208 00:11:24,756 --> 00:11:26,956 Speaker 1: we're all so different, and so we'll butt heads or 209 00:11:26,996 --> 00:11:31,876 Speaker 1: have different opinions about stuff, but it's crucial to That's why, 210 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:35,076 Speaker 1: you know, what we're doing is so powerful, or for 211 00:11:35,156 --> 00:11:38,556 Speaker 1: me it's powerful, is because we're all bringing something completely 212 00:11:38,556 --> 00:11:42,876 Speaker 1: different and each thing is of a profound significance to 213 00:11:42,916 --> 00:11:46,436 Speaker 1: the whole as opposed to someone you know, repeating what 214 00:11:46,516 --> 00:11:50,476 Speaker 1: another guy thinks. So it's harder, but that's how it is. Good. 215 00:11:50,956 --> 00:11:53,716 Speaker 1: When you first heard Anthony's melody for it, how did 216 00:11:53,756 --> 00:11:57,996 Speaker 1: you feel about it? Great? I felt great, And because 217 00:11:57,996 --> 00:11:59,276 Speaker 1: I was kind of waiting in my head, I was like, 218 00:11:59,316 --> 00:12:01,636 Speaker 1: I under show him this vocal melody. But he came 219 00:12:01,676 --> 00:12:03,676 Speaker 1: in I think, pretty quickly with it. Like I came 220 00:12:03,676 --> 00:12:05,276 Speaker 1: in on the piano, and it was like a matter 221 00:12:05,316 --> 00:12:07,996 Speaker 1: of days before he came in. It was like I 222 00:12:07,996 --> 00:12:10,076 Speaker 1: want to sing over that thing, over that piano thing, 223 00:12:10,676 --> 00:12:13,436 Speaker 1: and it was great for the beginning. And I'm always 224 00:12:13,436 --> 00:12:16,996 Speaker 1: just so happy if I come something because oftentimes, you know, 225 00:12:17,076 --> 00:12:19,396 Speaker 1: both for John and I, we come up with things 226 00:12:20,196 --> 00:12:24,516 Speaker 1: instrumentally and that we really like. But you know, if 227 00:12:24,556 --> 00:12:27,116 Speaker 1: Anthony doesn't feel something to sing on it, it's never 228 00:12:27,156 --> 00:12:29,876 Speaker 1: going to become a song. Many many pieces of music 229 00:12:29,916 --> 00:12:32,796 Speaker 1: I have just gone into the ether because you know, 230 00:12:32,956 --> 00:12:34,956 Speaker 1: just he didn't feel it, and fair enough, you know. 231 00:12:35,396 --> 00:12:37,516 Speaker 1: But so I'm always just really happy when he comes, 232 00:12:37,996 --> 00:12:39,956 Speaker 1: you know, and does something. And when he does and 233 00:12:39,956 --> 00:12:42,556 Speaker 1: he does something that I love, great, you know. And 234 00:12:42,636 --> 00:12:45,796 Speaker 1: sometimes you'll do something to me like I was like, oh, 235 00:12:45,836 --> 00:12:49,236 Speaker 1: I really had imagine something else. But just because I 236 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:52,196 Speaker 1: imagined it doesn't mean that it's better, you know, And 237 00:12:52,236 --> 00:12:54,476 Speaker 1: that's taken time for me to learn too. Like there's 238 00:12:54,476 --> 00:12:57,636 Speaker 1: been many songs where like from my first gut reaction is, oh, no, 239 00:12:57,716 --> 00:13:00,916 Speaker 1: it should be this other way. But it's something that's 240 00:13:00,956 --> 00:13:04,236 Speaker 1: really beautiful that I just don't, you know, from my 241 00:13:04,556 --> 00:13:08,276 Speaker 1: limited view. Let's talk more about this song. It's just 242 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:10,796 Speaker 1: interesting you you bring it in. You played on the piano. 243 00:13:11,236 --> 00:13:14,236 Speaker 1: Did the ethereal guitar part happen next, or did the 244 00:13:14,436 --> 00:13:18,436 Speaker 1: vocal melody come next? I think John started doing the 245 00:13:18,436 --> 00:13:22,356 Speaker 1: ethereal guitar part right away, and that's something that's amazing 246 00:13:22,396 --> 00:13:25,396 Speaker 1: about John. Like I came in with the chords, and 247 00:13:25,716 --> 00:13:29,596 Speaker 1: pretty much, except for rare circumstances, he does the right 248 00:13:29,636 --> 00:13:33,636 Speaker 1: thing right away. And even if I imagine something completely different, 249 00:13:33,716 --> 00:13:36,076 Speaker 1: what he does is so beautiful and great and in 250 00:13:36,156 --> 00:13:38,876 Speaker 1: touch with what I'm doing. Yeah, that it's just the 251 00:13:38,956 --> 00:13:42,996 Speaker 1: right thing, And I think that happens if vice versa too. 252 00:13:43,596 --> 00:13:45,316 Speaker 1: Like I think that's one of the things that we 253 00:13:45,396 --> 00:13:47,716 Speaker 1: really love about playing with each other is we don't 254 00:13:47,716 --> 00:13:49,916 Speaker 1: have to talk about it much. Once in a while 255 00:13:50,396 --> 00:13:52,436 Speaker 1: it'd be like, oh, you know, I'm trying to accomplish 256 00:13:52,436 --> 00:13:54,236 Speaker 1: this thing in this little part, so could you try 257 00:13:54,316 --> 00:13:56,996 Speaker 1: doing this or that, but we do the right thing 258 00:13:57,036 --> 00:13:58,916 Speaker 1: for the other guy's thing, and it's not a matter 259 00:13:58,996 --> 00:14:03,076 Speaker 1: of like virtuoso musicianship or being a great musician or something. 260 00:14:03,116 --> 00:14:05,316 Speaker 1: It's just like, I don't know if it's just similar 261 00:14:05,356 --> 00:14:09,036 Speaker 1: reference points or either where or like sympathetic nervous systems 262 00:14:09,236 --> 00:14:13,276 Speaker 1: or some sort of telepathic subconscious understanding that we have 263 00:14:13,356 --> 00:14:15,836 Speaker 1: with one another, but we just do the right thing 264 00:14:16,396 --> 00:14:19,436 Speaker 1: to compliment with the other guys playing. And he just 265 00:14:19,476 --> 00:14:21,716 Speaker 1: started doing it right away, and it could have been 266 00:14:21,716 --> 00:14:25,156 Speaker 1: something completely different, like like I actually made a demo 267 00:14:25,236 --> 00:14:26,956 Speaker 1: for this song because it was like a couple of 268 00:14:26,956 --> 00:14:29,116 Speaker 1: months we took off when the pandemic first happened and 269 00:14:29,156 --> 00:14:30,876 Speaker 1: we were kind of like just stopped rehearsing because we're 270 00:14:30,836 --> 00:14:33,116 Speaker 1: ever was trying to figure it out, you know, and 271 00:14:33,156 --> 00:14:36,156 Speaker 1: I was making little demos in my garage and I 272 00:14:36,196 --> 00:14:38,636 Speaker 1: had like a little beatbox and a you know, all 273 00:14:38,676 --> 00:14:41,596 Speaker 1: these different things and which gave me an idea of 274 00:14:41,596 --> 00:14:43,876 Speaker 1: what it would be. But it was completely different when 275 00:14:43,916 --> 00:14:46,756 Speaker 1: he started playing and it became this real beautiful and 276 00:14:46,836 --> 00:14:51,556 Speaker 1: an Anthony writes these lyrics that are you know, this 277 00:14:51,756 --> 00:14:55,316 Speaker 1: really melancholy sort of yearning to you can say like 278 00:14:55,356 --> 00:14:57,036 Speaker 1: I'm not the one you know that you're looking for, 279 00:14:57,556 --> 00:14:59,796 Speaker 1: But underneath it, I feel this deep yearning like when 280 00:14:59,876 --> 00:15:01,396 Speaker 1: is he going to be the fucking one? When is 281 00:15:01,436 --> 00:15:03,236 Speaker 1: someone going to be the one? When can I find 282 00:15:03,276 --> 00:15:06,836 Speaker 1: this togetherness with another human being? You know, which I 283 00:15:06,876 --> 00:15:09,916 Speaker 1: feel is kind of a lyrical theme through about this record, 284 00:15:10,156 --> 00:15:12,636 Speaker 1: you know, this like deep yearning to connect. I even 285 00:15:12,676 --> 00:15:15,276 Speaker 1: had a stupid idea for the record to be to 286 00:15:15,396 --> 00:15:18,156 Speaker 1: be called The Yearning, which was like, you know, it 287 00:15:18,236 --> 00:15:22,996 Speaker 1: sounds like a fucking Disney Hallmark, you know special So 288 00:15:23,196 --> 00:15:26,276 Speaker 1: you said he had you have like a almost a 289 00:15:26,316 --> 00:15:29,476 Speaker 1: psychic connection with John when you guys play together. Has 290 00:15:29,476 --> 00:15:33,076 Speaker 1: it been like that from the very beginning? Yes, I 291 00:15:33,156 --> 00:15:35,996 Speaker 1: think that, you know. The only reason it ever wasn't 292 00:15:36,036 --> 00:15:38,676 Speaker 1: like that, which would probably be like, you know, when 293 00:15:38,676 --> 00:15:40,996 Speaker 1: he first joined and we made the first album, Mother's 294 00:15:40,996 --> 00:15:45,396 Speaker 1: Milk is he was still super young, and I think 295 00:15:45,396 --> 00:15:47,636 Speaker 1: the only thing that would get in the way of 296 00:15:47,676 --> 00:15:50,596 Speaker 1: it being that is like kind of like tension or nervousness, 297 00:15:50,636 --> 00:15:52,796 Speaker 1: like oh, what's the right thing to do and not 298 00:15:52,876 --> 00:15:55,276 Speaker 1: trusting yourself yet. And I think it took him a while. 299 00:15:55,756 --> 00:15:57,236 Speaker 1: He was so young, and he came in and we 300 00:15:57,236 --> 00:15:59,796 Speaker 1: were already kind of a popular band, and I think he, 301 00:16:00,076 --> 00:16:04,036 Speaker 1: you know, was just kind of concerned about, you know, 302 00:16:04,116 --> 00:16:05,716 Speaker 1: how do I fit in, what do I do? What's 303 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:07,996 Speaker 1: the right thing to do? As opposed to just like 304 00:16:08,076 --> 00:16:10,596 Speaker 1: letting go, which is by the time we started working 305 00:16:10,596 --> 00:16:12,476 Speaker 1: with you on a next record, which was Blood Sugar 306 00:16:12,516 --> 00:16:15,996 Speaker 1: Sex Magic, that was completely there, like he had let 307 00:16:16,036 --> 00:16:18,036 Speaker 1: go of like worrying about what was right. It was 308 00:16:18,036 --> 00:16:22,116 Speaker 1: just you know, letting his letting it flow, letting it 309 00:16:22,356 --> 00:16:27,156 Speaker 1: letting God take over. How would you say your relationship 310 00:16:27,196 --> 00:16:29,956 Speaker 1: with Anthony has changed over all the years that you 311 00:16:29,996 --> 00:16:32,276 Speaker 1: know him? You know, Anthony since how old were you 312 00:16:32,276 --> 00:16:36,396 Speaker 1: guys when you met fifteen and now we're you know, 313 00:16:36,396 --> 00:16:41,476 Speaker 1: our next birthdays returned sixty? Wow? Yeah, the majority, the 314 00:16:41,516 --> 00:16:47,276 Speaker 1: majority of your lives have been together. It's so crazy. 315 00:16:47,476 --> 00:16:52,076 Speaker 1: I mean, our relationship has you know, grown and changed 316 00:16:52,236 --> 00:16:56,876 Speaker 1: and been joyous and been tense and fraught with suffering 317 00:16:56,876 --> 00:17:01,996 Speaker 1: and hurt and been accepting and like been through so 318 00:17:02,036 --> 00:17:05,596 Speaker 1: many dynamics throughout the course of it. You know. So 319 00:17:05,676 --> 00:17:09,076 Speaker 1: we meet him with fifteen and we become like inside 320 00:17:09,236 --> 00:17:12,796 Speaker 1: pole every day we're together all day long, you know 321 00:17:12,796 --> 00:17:15,316 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like right after school, we get together, 322 00:17:15,356 --> 00:17:17,116 Speaker 1: where we're gonna get some weed. What are we gonna do? 323 00:17:17,196 --> 00:17:19,356 Speaker 1: What's the hustle today? Where we're gonna go steal something, 324 00:17:19,356 --> 00:17:21,156 Speaker 1: where we're gonna go run around? You know, what the 325 00:17:21,156 --> 00:17:22,996 Speaker 1: fuck are we gonna do. We're gonna do something. We're 326 00:17:22,996 --> 00:17:26,596 Speaker 1: gonna do it. Do it just dumb shit and beautiful shit, 327 00:17:26,756 --> 00:17:29,396 Speaker 1: like really loving the things that we love, the nature 328 00:17:29,436 --> 00:17:32,476 Speaker 1: of the art, the music, the places where we connect, 329 00:17:32,876 --> 00:17:36,156 Speaker 1: you know. And then we start the band when we're twenty, 330 00:17:36,676 --> 00:17:40,476 Speaker 1: and it already seemed like at that age the years 331 00:17:40,516 --> 00:17:44,796 Speaker 1: between fifteen and twenty a are huge. It's like a 332 00:17:44,876 --> 00:17:47,076 Speaker 1: year of sixteen and seventeen and eighteen or like ten 333 00:17:47,196 --> 00:17:50,596 Speaker 1: years now, you know what I mean in terms of, 334 00:17:50,796 --> 00:17:53,476 Speaker 1: you know, because time actually does speed up, which is 335 00:17:53,596 --> 00:17:58,436 Speaker 1: fucking insane, which I'm realizing it actually speeds up, like theoretically. 336 00:17:58,436 --> 00:18:00,636 Speaker 1: I had heard that before, but now it's like I 337 00:18:00,676 --> 00:18:04,756 Speaker 1: feel it so intensely. So it seemed like ages had 338 00:18:04,796 --> 00:18:06,756 Speaker 1: gone by. Like when we started to band, it seemed 339 00:18:06,796 --> 00:18:09,476 Speaker 1: like we had been friends for lifetimes. And then we 340 00:18:09,516 --> 00:18:13,116 Speaker 1: start to band and we're still very much in that 341 00:18:13,236 --> 00:18:16,196 Speaker 1: kind of street kid mentality. You know, everything's a hustle. 342 00:18:16,236 --> 00:18:18,436 Speaker 1: Like I remember, like we started a band, like when 343 00:18:18,436 --> 00:18:21,116 Speaker 1: we first like record companies wanted to sign us and stuff, 344 00:18:21,156 --> 00:18:24,316 Speaker 1: and it's kind of later on and they're like taking 345 00:18:24,396 --> 00:18:27,796 Speaker 1: us out to lunch, and we're still in the mindset 346 00:18:27,996 --> 00:18:31,476 Speaker 1: of like hustling a lunch. So it's like getting like 347 00:18:31,596 --> 00:18:34,476 Speaker 1: you know, different guys to take us out to lunch, Like, yeah, 348 00:18:34,476 --> 00:18:36,476 Speaker 1: we'll get this guy on Tuesday, that guy Wednesday. Like 349 00:18:36,636 --> 00:18:38,316 Speaker 1: we're still thinking, like let's get them to take us 350 00:18:38,316 --> 00:18:41,276 Speaker 1: somewhere expensive. Like it's still this whole fucking thing of 351 00:18:41,356 --> 00:18:45,196 Speaker 1: like not just like like what would be the best 352 00:18:45,196 --> 00:18:47,236 Speaker 1: thing for our music at a record company, but like 353 00:18:47,236 --> 00:18:49,476 Speaker 1: how many lunches can we get? We're still in this 354 00:18:49,636 --> 00:18:55,076 Speaker 1: complete street kid like mentality, you know, like um let alone, 355 00:18:55,116 --> 00:18:57,836 Speaker 1: like thinking the long term of like what's white business 356 00:18:57,876 --> 00:19:01,596 Speaker 1: wise or music wise or anything, which is so funny 357 00:19:01,636 --> 00:19:04,356 Speaker 1: to look back at. But in terms of our relationship, 358 00:19:05,076 --> 00:19:09,916 Speaker 1: you know, creatively, it really hasn't changed, like the essence 359 00:19:09,956 --> 00:19:12,236 Speaker 1: of what it is and what it's informed by, which 360 00:19:12,316 --> 00:19:16,196 Speaker 1: is so much still and I think the longevity of 361 00:19:16,236 --> 00:19:21,156 Speaker 1: it is so formed by those years as kids like 362 00:19:21,356 --> 00:19:25,036 Speaker 1: kind of like growing up in our own weird misguided 363 00:19:25,076 --> 00:19:29,156 Speaker 1: way without real mature guidance or like anyone holding our 364 00:19:29,196 --> 00:19:30,876 Speaker 1: hands into like this is how you become a man, 365 00:19:30,956 --> 00:19:32,516 Speaker 1: This is how you become a grown up. These are 366 00:19:32,556 --> 00:19:36,596 Speaker 1: like the tenants of morality, and you know, like we 367 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:39,396 Speaker 1: just didn't, you know, And I don't think I even 368 00:19:39,436 --> 00:19:42,316 Speaker 1: started growing up until I got sick in my early thirties, 369 00:19:42,356 --> 00:19:45,196 Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, But it's still rooted in that, 370 00:19:45,396 --> 00:19:47,476 Speaker 1: like when you're with someone and you're going through these 371 00:19:47,476 --> 00:19:50,796 Speaker 1: big changes and even though you're confused and bewildered and 372 00:19:50,796 --> 00:19:53,316 Speaker 1: also like kind of like bumbling around like just trying 373 00:19:53,356 --> 00:19:55,236 Speaker 1: to avoid pain and go to pleasure, you know what 374 00:19:55,276 --> 00:20:00,476 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like survival together. And something about 375 00:20:00,556 --> 00:20:04,636 Speaker 1: that is really deep, you know. And I was kind 376 00:20:04,636 --> 00:20:09,356 Speaker 1: of thinking this morning, like about how like as the 377 00:20:09,436 --> 00:20:11,116 Speaker 1: years have gone by, there's been so many times and 378 00:20:11,236 --> 00:20:13,116 Speaker 1: it was difficult between us, and I think it also 379 00:20:13,156 --> 00:20:16,556 Speaker 1: works against us that child stuff, because we could get 380 00:20:16,596 --> 00:20:19,916 Speaker 1: into like these scraps or be offended or hurt by 381 00:20:19,916 --> 00:20:22,916 Speaker 1: one another in a way that's so fucking childish. It's 382 00:20:22,916 --> 00:20:27,356 Speaker 1: like we revert back to being the like completely emotionally 383 00:20:27,556 --> 00:20:32,116 Speaker 1: fragile and immature fifteen year olds in our fifties, you 384 00:20:32,116 --> 00:20:33,516 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, we go back to that 385 00:20:33,596 --> 00:20:37,156 Speaker 1: between us and it can be really difficult. And I 386 00:20:37,196 --> 00:20:39,596 Speaker 1: think recently like we had something like that where we 387 00:20:39,596 --> 00:20:41,836 Speaker 1: were doing that and it was like so painful, you know, 388 00:20:41,836 --> 00:20:43,356 Speaker 1: and I'll go back and be like, fuck, I'm done, 389 00:20:43,356 --> 00:20:44,676 Speaker 1: I'm out of here, and I can't deal with this 390 00:20:44,796 --> 00:20:47,156 Speaker 1: fucking shit anymore. It fucked this guy, and I realize 391 00:20:47,236 --> 00:20:49,716 Speaker 1: I'm acting like a child. But you know, because we're 392 00:20:49,756 --> 00:20:51,756 Speaker 1: both acting like we go into this place, you know, 393 00:20:51,796 --> 00:20:53,556 Speaker 1: and we kind of talked about it and we're like, 394 00:20:53,636 --> 00:20:56,316 Speaker 1: you know, we do that, and we both acknowledged it, 395 00:20:56,316 --> 00:20:57,636 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, you know, we need to 396 00:20:58,716 --> 00:20:59,996 Speaker 1: you know, we don't need to do that. I'll do 397 00:20:59,996 --> 00:21:01,636 Speaker 1: it with other people, you know what I mean. Other 398 00:21:01,676 --> 00:21:03,476 Speaker 1: people piss me off and do things that I that 399 00:21:03,556 --> 00:21:07,476 Speaker 1: I find, you know what I mean, offenses, But with him, 400 00:21:07,596 --> 00:21:10,636 Speaker 1: we go there. You know, it's like this constant argument, 401 00:21:10,716 --> 00:21:13,156 Speaker 1: and so, you know, I always feel like we're growing. 402 00:21:13,156 --> 00:21:15,476 Speaker 1: But you know I felt like that before. You're too. 403 00:21:15,956 --> 00:21:18,916 Speaker 1: But I was thinking earlier today getting back. Sorry, there's 404 00:21:18,916 --> 00:21:22,796 Speaker 1: so many tangents I could go down that the band 405 00:21:22,916 --> 00:21:25,716 Speaker 1: being so successful, right, we've been the band's been together 406 00:21:25,796 --> 00:21:30,556 Speaker 1: nearly forty years, and from the beginning, like to me, 407 00:21:30,636 --> 00:21:33,636 Speaker 1: even though I know, like the real like business success 408 00:21:33,676 --> 00:21:37,076 Speaker 1: and selling a lot of records didn't really happen, you know, 409 00:21:37,156 --> 00:21:38,916 Speaker 1: until we had you know, made Blood Sugar and we 410 00:21:39,076 --> 00:21:44,156 Speaker 1: sold you know, gazillion records. But for me, like from 411 00:21:44,196 --> 00:21:49,356 Speaker 1: the first concert, we were wildly successful, beyond my dreams 412 00:21:49,356 --> 00:21:52,356 Speaker 1: that I could ever imagine. Like I had been playing 413 00:21:52,356 --> 00:21:55,636 Speaker 1: in bands before that and working hard, and you know, 414 00:21:55,676 --> 00:21:57,356 Speaker 1: I'd go to my full time job all day, then 415 00:21:57,356 --> 00:21:59,956 Speaker 1: go to rehearsal afterwards. Everything was like, yeah, come on, 416 00:22:00,036 --> 00:22:02,756 Speaker 1: we got the gig and trying so hard, and from 417 00:22:02,796 --> 00:22:04,876 Speaker 1: the first Chili Pepper gig where we had one song 418 00:22:04,956 --> 00:22:08,436 Speaker 1: and played for like four minutes, the way that it 419 00:22:08,556 --> 00:22:12,156 Speaker 1: fell between us and the way that it we connected 420 00:22:12,156 --> 00:22:15,036 Speaker 1: with the audience and everything about it was like an 421 00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:21,276 Speaker 1: explosion of success in the most like earth shattering way 422 00:22:21,356 --> 00:22:23,276 Speaker 1: that I had never felt. That I didn't even know. 423 00:22:24,236 --> 00:22:26,356 Speaker 1: And I played in fear. I was already playing big 424 00:22:26,396 --> 00:22:28,116 Speaker 1: gigs with them, and like you know, it was like 425 00:22:28,636 --> 00:22:30,596 Speaker 1: all at in an underground way. It was huge in 426 00:22:30,756 --> 00:22:32,876 Speaker 1: la you know, but but all of a sudden it 427 00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:35,796 Speaker 1: was like, man, this is like it was. We were done. 428 00:22:35,876 --> 00:22:39,436 Speaker 1: It was completely successful at that point and never got 429 00:22:39,476 --> 00:22:42,756 Speaker 1: more successful for me, you know, I can't speak for everyone. 430 00:22:43,356 --> 00:22:45,476 Speaker 1: And then, you know, and then like right away, like 431 00:22:45,556 --> 00:22:48,676 Speaker 1: within months, we were like selling out nightclubs, lines around 432 00:22:48,676 --> 00:22:50,516 Speaker 1: the block to get in. We're playing with the Bad 433 00:22:50,556 --> 00:22:53,116 Speaker 1: Brains and the Minute Men, these bands that I really loved. 434 00:22:53,596 --> 00:22:57,036 Speaker 1: Record companies wanted to sign us. Emi Enigma signed us. 435 00:22:57,116 --> 00:22:59,676 Speaker 1: Like everything that'd been struggling to try to make happen 436 00:22:59,716 --> 00:23:03,396 Speaker 1: just happened effortlessly, and we just played and it was 437 00:23:03,476 --> 00:23:08,276 Speaker 1: just like this this thing, you know. So anyways, success 438 00:23:08,356 --> 00:23:10,636 Speaker 1: kept mounting, and then you know, we got gradually more 439 00:23:10,636 --> 00:23:13,236 Speaker 1: and more popular, and then we made Blood Sugar. It 440 00:23:13,276 --> 00:23:15,796 Speaker 1: really blew up and it became like an arena bandon 441 00:23:15,876 --> 00:23:17,876 Speaker 1: this like really big rock band in more like a 442 00:23:17,956 --> 00:23:21,676 Speaker 1: mainstream record selling way. And you know, I believe in God, Rick, 443 00:23:21,796 --> 00:23:25,036 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not a religious man, you know me, 444 00:23:25,876 --> 00:23:28,596 Speaker 1: but I pray every day, you know, I really like 445 00:23:28,676 --> 00:23:30,636 Speaker 1: it's a big part of my life, my connection to 446 00:23:30,716 --> 00:23:34,076 Speaker 1: the divine and nurturing that, and and I know that 447 00:23:34,116 --> 00:23:36,156 Speaker 1: my life is going better when I'm staying in touch 448 00:23:36,236 --> 00:23:39,636 Speaker 1: with you know, going trying to be inside and stay 449 00:23:39,636 --> 00:23:42,476 Speaker 1: connected to that part of me and my relationship to God. 450 00:23:43,476 --> 00:23:46,836 Speaker 1: And I was thinking this morning, like success is all 451 00:23:46,876 --> 00:23:49,116 Speaker 1: fun and it's great. Look, I like making money as 452 00:23:49,196 --> 00:23:50,996 Speaker 1: much as the next guy, and I like, you know, 453 00:23:51,156 --> 00:23:52,916 Speaker 1: living in an ice house and buying a bitch and 454 00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:57,356 Speaker 1: stereo and all this shit, But the real reason behind 455 00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,836 Speaker 1: it with the band, I feel like, in a lot 456 00:23:59,836 --> 00:24:02,716 Speaker 1: of ways like that God put me and Anthony together 457 00:24:02,796 --> 00:24:06,556 Speaker 1: to learn some shit, and we're here together to figure 458 00:24:06,596 --> 00:24:11,276 Speaker 1: something out in a way that at and like I think, 459 00:24:11,316 --> 00:24:14,836 Speaker 1: I don't think, and I don't know. Obviously I don't know, 460 00:24:15,476 --> 00:24:18,116 Speaker 1: but if the band hadn't been this thing where it 461 00:24:18,156 --> 00:24:20,116 Speaker 1: was like really successful, we probably would have gone different 462 00:24:20,156 --> 00:24:22,756 Speaker 1: ways a long time ago. You know, so many times 463 00:24:22,796 --> 00:24:24,716 Speaker 1: I want to go join a fucking free jazz band 464 00:24:24,716 --> 00:24:27,676 Speaker 1: and just play trumpet and and but it's like, oh no, 465 00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:29,836 Speaker 1: there's all this work to do, you know what I mean. 466 00:24:29,876 --> 00:24:31,436 Speaker 1: There's another record to make, and there's a tour to 467 00:24:31,516 --> 00:24:33,116 Speaker 1: do it. There's this to do, and oftentimes it's like 468 00:24:33,236 --> 00:24:38,036 Speaker 1: grueling and painful, and like like my survival mechanism as 469 00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:39,316 Speaker 1: a human, it is like, no, I don't want to 470 00:24:39,316 --> 00:24:42,356 Speaker 1: go hurt myself. I'm okay, I can go to something 471 00:24:42,396 --> 00:24:46,076 Speaker 1: else and grow creatively and like grow cerebrally in all 472 00:24:46,116 --> 00:24:49,476 Speaker 1: these ways. But like success in a lot of ways 473 00:24:49,476 --> 00:24:52,316 Speaker 1: has kept us there doing it. And it's not the 474 00:24:52,396 --> 00:24:53,756 Speaker 1: rea is not like saying like we do it for 475 00:24:53,756 --> 00:24:56,796 Speaker 1: the money, but it's like when there's when there's work 476 00:24:56,876 --> 00:24:58,516 Speaker 1: to be done, you got to do it. And we're 477 00:24:58,596 --> 00:25:02,236 Speaker 1: and we both have like very intense work ethics and 478 00:25:02,276 --> 00:25:04,396 Speaker 1: disciplines in this sort of blue collar thing like that 479 00:25:04,516 --> 00:25:06,396 Speaker 1: you do your work. You get up every day because 480 00:25:06,436 --> 00:25:08,836 Speaker 1: you work what there's a mission to life, you know. 481 00:25:09,556 --> 00:25:11,196 Speaker 1: And I kind of started seeing it in this divine 482 00:25:11,236 --> 00:25:13,636 Speaker 1: way and it felt really beautiful, like there's a bigger 483 00:25:13,676 --> 00:25:19,836 Speaker 1: picture and we're being put together to understand something, you know. 484 00:25:19,876 --> 00:25:23,116 Speaker 1: And I remember once a long time ago, I went 485 00:25:23,196 --> 00:25:26,876 Speaker 1: to go see this hypnotist and it might have been 486 00:25:26,876 --> 00:25:29,116 Speaker 1: through you that you might have recommended me to this 487 00:25:29,156 --> 00:25:31,916 Speaker 1: woman I can't remember in Santa Monica, and I went 488 00:25:31,916 --> 00:25:33,556 Speaker 1: and lay on her couch, and I remember she got 489 00:25:33,596 --> 00:25:37,756 Speaker 1: kind of frustrated with me because I didn't get hypnotized. 490 00:25:37,756 --> 00:25:40,036 Speaker 1: And I was just too crazy to be hypnotized, Like 491 00:25:40,436 --> 00:25:44,556 Speaker 1: my mom never fucking shut off. But she was like 492 00:25:44,716 --> 00:25:46,476 Speaker 1: talking to me about stuff, and she was like go 493 00:25:46,556 --> 00:25:49,396 Speaker 1: back in time, and I remember like like kind of 494 00:25:49,396 --> 00:25:53,916 Speaker 1: being this like semi aware state and seeing me and 495 00:25:53,956 --> 00:25:58,876 Speaker 1: Anthony like lifetimes and go lifetimes and lifetimes and lifetimes 496 00:25:59,036 --> 00:26:01,396 Speaker 1: like a long time ago, and we're like fishing by 497 00:26:01,396 --> 00:26:03,916 Speaker 1: this forest and we're dressed in like this like kind 498 00:26:03,916 --> 00:26:08,196 Speaker 1: of like skins and shit, like animal skins, like having 499 00:26:08,236 --> 00:26:12,996 Speaker 1: to survive like different caveman time, but not that far back, 500 00:26:13,036 --> 00:26:15,996 Speaker 1: but something like that. And it's like something that we're 501 00:26:16,036 --> 00:26:18,796 Speaker 1: supposed to figure out, and the universe puts us together 502 00:26:18,836 --> 00:26:22,196 Speaker 1: to learn this ship and in this lifetime we've been 503 00:26:22,236 --> 00:26:28,076 Speaker 1: put together to you know, by this circumstance. It's beautiful 504 00:26:28,076 --> 00:26:30,436 Speaker 1: and it's interesting hearing you say that, because what I 505 00:26:30,516 --> 00:26:34,436 Speaker 1: think about is the nature of your relationship with Anthony 506 00:26:34,756 --> 00:26:38,356 Speaker 1: really isn't about music. Music's a part of it, but 507 00:26:38,476 --> 00:26:41,476 Speaker 1: that's not what it's about. And it didn't start about music. 508 00:26:41,996 --> 00:26:44,436 Speaker 1: It went on for five years before it became about 509 00:26:44,516 --> 00:26:48,236 Speaker 1: music as a job. But it's it's more like almost 510 00:26:48,276 --> 00:26:51,876 Speaker 1: like a karmic relationship, where as your relationship with John 511 00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:57,396 Speaker 1: seems much more rooted in music. Absolutely talk about when 512 00:26:58,036 --> 00:27:00,116 Speaker 1: ten or so year, ten or twelve years ago when 513 00:27:00,156 --> 00:27:02,756 Speaker 1: John quit the band, What was the feeling, What was 514 00:27:02,796 --> 00:27:08,156 Speaker 1: it like? You know, it's different because you quit. That 515 00:27:08,236 --> 00:27:11,636 Speaker 1: was the second time he quit. And this is a 516 00:27:11,676 --> 00:27:16,996 Speaker 1: crazy thing to say, but such a relief man because 517 00:27:17,716 --> 00:27:21,356 Speaker 1: he was so unhappy, I see, and he's such a 518 00:27:21,516 --> 00:27:26,356 Speaker 1: huge part of the band, and everything about it was 519 00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:30,436 Speaker 1: making him unhappy. You know, he's so great at music 520 00:27:30,516 --> 00:27:33,996 Speaker 1: and he sees so much at music that he didn't 521 00:27:34,036 --> 00:27:36,316 Speaker 1: He was wanting to just do and you know, make 522 00:27:36,356 --> 00:27:39,476 Speaker 1: his vision happen, and he didn't want to have to 523 00:27:39,516 --> 00:27:41,636 Speaker 1: collaborate and listen to what someone else had to say 524 00:27:41,676 --> 00:27:43,716 Speaker 1: that would be different than what he was thinking. And 525 00:27:43,756 --> 00:27:45,516 Speaker 1: so it kind of caused a lot of tension for 526 00:27:45,636 --> 00:27:49,396 Speaker 1: him and for everybody. And you know, I can't speak 527 00:27:49,436 --> 00:27:52,596 Speaker 1: for him, but his yearning to leave and to grow 528 00:27:52,596 --> 00:27:54,116 Speaker 1: in a different way away from the band was so 529 00:27:54,196 --> 00:27:57,156 Speaker 1: powerful that when he left, it was like, Okay, the 530 00:27:57,236 --> 00:28:00,436 Speaker 1: right thing is happening, you know. And both times it 531 00:28:00,476 --> 00:28:05,436 Speaker 1: was like that. But the big difference is the first 532 00:28:05,476 --> 00:28:10,396 Speaker 1: time he left where in Japan he leaves and it 533 00:28:10,476 --> 00:28:13,196 Speaker 1: was so exhausting and stressful and everything not just you know, 534 00:28:13,236 --> 00:28:15,236 Speaker 1: the band itself. It was really stressful for me at 535 00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:18,596 Speaker 1: the time, but when he left, it was like, Okay, 536 00:28:18,676 --> 00:28:20,596 Speaker 1: now what are we going to do to keep it going? 537 00:28:21,836 --> 00:28:24,116 Speaker 1: And um, you know, we just you know, went through 538 00:28:24,156 --> 00:28:26,076 Speaker 1: a different series of events, ended up with Dave and 539 00:28:26,076 --> 00:28:29,636 Speaker 1: made another record, kept going and stuff. But this time 540 00:28:29,676 --> 00:28:32,556 Speaker 1: when he left, I thought, my thought was it's over. 541 00:28:33,356 --> 00:28:34,996 Speaker 1: I didn't think we would keep going because I was like, 542 00:28:35,036 --> 00:28:36,676 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. It It doesn't make sense. I 543 00:28:36,676 --> 00:28:38,676 Speaker 1: don't want to get someone else and go on without him, 544 00:28:38,716 --> 00:28:41,996 Speaker 1: like we've done all this great work. And it also 545 00:28:42,076 --> 00:28:44,436 Speaker 1: happened like before he left, I had we had had 546 00:28:44,436 --> 00:28:46,036 Speaker 1: a thing I said, I want two years away from 547 00:28:46,036 --> 00:28:48,476 Speaker 1: the band. I need I needed the time off, like 548 00:28:48,516 --> 00:28:50,596 Speaker 1: I just knew for me too. And that was when 549 00:28:50,636 --> 00:28:53,916 Speaker 1: I went to school just like did different creative projects, 550 00:28:53,996 --> 00:28:56,156 Speaker 1: like just wanted to go and grow in a different way, 551 00:28:56,196 --> 00:28:59,796 Speaker 1: in my own way. And I didn't think that the 552 00:28:59,836 --> 00:29:03,276 Speaker 1: band would carry on without him. And time went by 553 00:29:04,196 --> 00:29:07,276 Speaker 1: a year and a half. Maybe now everyone else wanted 554 00:29:07,276 --> 00:29:10,156 Speaker 1: the band to keep going, and I remember kind of 555 00:29:10,196 --> 00:29:12,836 Speaker 1: having like thinking like I just you know, I just 556 00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:16,316 Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't think, And then it just started 557 00:29:16,316 --> 00:29:19,876 Speaker 1: making sense to do it, like everything, like my relationship 558 00:29:19,916 --> 00:29:23,476 Speaker 1: with Anthony. The band itself is a thing, like I remember, 559 00:29:23,516 --> 00:29:27,196 Speaker 1: like like a big thing was people saying to me like, oh, 560 00:29:27,276 --> 00:29:29,756 Speaker 1: we like you know, we we do so many fundraisers 561 00:29:29,756 --> 00:29:32,116 Speaker 1: and things, and like someone said, like and like I 562 00:29:32,116 --> 00:29:34,956 Speaker 1: started seeing, like, God, how valuable the band is not 563 00:29:35,076 --> 00:29:37,996 Speaker 1: just for you know, our personal success or for making 564 00:29:38,036 --> 00:29:40,476 Speaker 1: people happy, because it brings joy to the world. The 565 00:29:40,516 --> 00:29:43,156 Speaker 1: bands a light, but just like that as a thing, 566 00:29:43,236 --> 00:29:45,916 Speaker 1: like as an entity that really gives love and goodness 567 00:29:45,956 --> 00:29:48,956 Speaker 1: to the world, which maybe sometimes I can't see because 568 00:29:48,956 --> 00:29:52,356 Speaker 1: of all the work that can be really grueling, and 569 00:29:52,436 --> 00:29:54,556 Speaker 1: but like I can, I can see it really clearly, 570 00:29:54,596 --> 00:29:56,276 Speaker 1: like when someone saying, oh, will you do my thing 571 00:29:56,356 --> 00:29:59,436 Speaker 1: to help hungry people, like oh shit, oh, we don't 572 00:29:59,436 --> 00:30:01,116 Speaker 1: have the band going right now, I can't do that, 573 00:30:01,756 --> 00:30:03,956 Speaker 1: And that kind of is being like that where I'm 574 00:30:03,996 --> 00:30:07,036 Speaker 1: seeing it really clearly. But that element of it is 575 00:30:07,076 --> 00:30:09,436 Speaker 1: there all the time, even if it's not a fund asure. 576 00:30:09,836 --> 00:30:12,276 Speaker 1: And that started becoming clear to me. And I was 577 00:30:12,316 --> 00:30:15,316 Speaker 1: just like, like I was doing some other creative project 578 00:30:15,356 --> 00:30:18,796 Speaker 1: and it was good, like we were we were making 579 00:30:18,876 --> 00:30:22,516 Speaker 1: music that I liked, and then thinking like, shit, man, 580 00:30:22,556 --> 00:30:24,596 Speaker 1: I really want to bring this energy to the band 581 00:30:24,676 --> 00:30:26,756 Speaker 1: and make the Chili Peppers happen. We can do this. 582 00:30:26,836 --> 00:30:30,356 Speaker 1: And I remember like something clicking in my mind, like 583 00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:33,716 Speaker 1: I got really excited about it again, and then um, 584 00:30:33,756 --> 00:30:35,436 Speaker 1: you know, went to Anthony and you know, he was 585 00:30:35,476 --> 00:30:39,596 Speaker 1: into it, and we did it. We got Josh. Did 586 00:30:39,596 --> 00:30:42,556 Speaker 1: you keep up with John during the whole time that 587 00:30:42,636 --> 00:30:46,876 Speaker 1: he was not in the group? Yes, both times and 588 00:30:46,996 --> 00:30:49,276 Speaker 1: not not not consistently because it's you know, to be 589 00:30:49,276 --> 00:30:52,636 Speaker 1: a little awkward stuff, you know, but mostly like the 590 00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:54,596 Speaker 1: second time, like, as you know, we went on without him, 591 00:30:54,596 --> 00:30:56,316 Speaker 1: and I didn't think that I would, and I told 592 00:30:56,356 --> 00:30:57,996 Speaker 1: and I told him too, I'm not going to go 593 00:30:58,036 --> 00:31:00,236 Speaker 1: on without you. And I felt like, like god, I 594 00:31:00,316 --> 00:31:03,036 Speaker 1: kind of betrayed what I said, you know, But then 595 00:31:03,076 --> 00:31:04,876 Speaker 1: I decided, you know, and I made the decision to 596 00:31:04,916 --> 00:31:06,676 Speaker 1: do it. You know, people change their minds. I changed 597 00:31:06,716 --> 00:31:09,796 Speaker 1: my mind. You know a lot of our most popular 598 00:31:09,836 --> 00:31:14,116 Speaker 1: songs were musically initiated by him and created like in 599 00:31:14,436 --> 00:31:17,356 Speaker 1: the large part by a musical idea that he initiated, 600 00:31:18,196 --> 00:31:19,916 Speaker 1: and here were do it like going and doing it 601 00:31:19,916 --> 00:31:23,276 Speaker 1: with someone else. But so I was torn in a 602 00:31:23,276 --> 00:31:26,116 Speaker 1: lot of ways, you know, in that way, And I 603 00:31:26,156 --> 00:31:27,996 Speaker 1: guess it wasn't so much that like that was my 604 00:31:28,036 --> 00:31:29,476 Speaker 1: first thing, but then it just felt like in a 605 00:31:29,516 --> 00:31:32,596 Speaker 1: lot of ways, like you know, we're having someone else 606 00:31:32,756 --> 00:31:35,076 Speaker 1: play his ship all the time, you know what I mean, 607 00:31:35,396 --> 00:31:39,356 Speaker 1: and like like getting together and playing recently with him. 608 00:31:39,396 --> 00:31:41,356 Speaker 1: You know, we're rehearsing right now to go on tour, 609 00:31:42,036 --> 00:31:44,196 Speaker 1: and we're you know, when we play the older songs, 610 00:31:45,116 --> 00:31:47,196 Speaker 1: it's like, oh shit, now we're doing it for real. 611 00:31:48,236 --> 00:31:51,036 Speaker 1: We're not doing like the cover version, you know what 612 00:31:51,076 --> 00:31:53,596 Speaker 1: I mean. And that's an extreme way of saying it. 613 00:31:53,596 --> 00:31:57,156 Speaker 1: It was never the cover version, but like in that way, 614 00:31:57,316 --> 00:31:59,796 Speaker 1: it's sort of like, oh, now the real guys playing 615 00:31:59,796 --> 00:32:02,476 Speaker 1: the real shit. And there's nothing against Josh because Josh 616 00:32:02,556 --> 00:32:05,756 Speaker 1: honored it in a beautiful way. And I'm so grateful 617 00:32:05,756 --> 00:32:07,876 Speaker 1: for Josh, and I love the stuff that we wrote 618 00:32:07,876 --> 00:32:10,796 Speaker 1: with Josh too, and loved Josh, like not only was 619 00:32:10,836 --> 00:32:14,196 Speaker 1: he a great musician, he's a very supportive team member 620 00:32:14,716 --> 00:32:18,796 Speaker 1: for us, but yeah, when he left, you know, first 621 00:32:18,796 --> 00:32:21,676 Speaker 1: a relief and then as it went on to like 622 00:32:21,676 --> 00:32:23,836 Speaker 1: the initial relief of like you know, the tension at 623 00:32:23,836 --> 00:32:28,276 Speaker 1: the time, but both times, as and particularly this time 624 00:32:28,316 --> 00:32:33,076 Speaker 1: as time went by, like just real something that had 625 00:32:33,156 --> 00:32:36,516 Speaker 1: peaked around the time he came back like this yearning 626 00:32:36,596 --> 00:32:40,716 Speaker 1: for that effortless connection, that thing we're talking about earlier, 627 00:32:40,756 --> 00:32:44,756 Speaker 1: you know, because with Josh it was like, yes, Josh 628 00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:47,796 Speaker 1: a great musician, but there was oftentimes a lot of 629 00:32:47,876 --> 00:32:50,356 Speaker 1: talking about what to do. Can we try this, can 630 00:32:50,356 --> 00:32:52,636 Speaker 1: we try that? Can we do this? You know, hey, 631 00:32:52,716 --> 00:32:54,276 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not wanting to be offensive, 632 00:32:54,316 --> 00:32:55,636 Speaker 1: can you try doing it in this other way? And 633 00:32:55,676 --> 00:32:57,356 Speaker 1: him for the same way with me, I'm not saying like, 634 00:32:57,516 --> 00:32:59,636 Speaker 1: oh he didn't understand, like I didn't understand, you know 635 00:32:59,676 --> 00:33:01,516 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he would play something and I 636 00:33:01,556 --> 00:33:02,996 Speaker 1: was like, well, what's the right thing for me to 637 00:33:03,036 --> 00:33:06,636 Speaker 1: do here? And that's just different reference points, different nervous systems, 638 00:33:06,676 --> 00:33:10,796 Speaker 1: different things that you can't control, and like spirit things 639 00:33:10,796 --> 00:33:13,756 Speaker 1: that I don't think we understand or you know, or 640 00:33:13,756 --> 00:33:17,716 Speaker 1: that I don't at least like you know, so, you know, 641 00:33:17,836 --> 00:33:20,636 Speaker 1: just really wishing for that effortless connection. And as soon 642 00:33:20,676 --> 00:33:23,316 Speaker 1: as John came back, it's there, like every time I've 643 00:33:23,356 --> 00:33:25,396 Speaker 1: come in with something, you know, like something that starts 644 00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:27,716 Speaker 1: with a bassline, you know, not from a piano, and 645 00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:31,196 Speaker 1: it's like John is the perfect thing from the beginning, 646 00:33:31,236 --> 00:33:34,396 Speaker 1: like boom done. There it is. They don't have to 647 00:33:34,436 --> 00:33:37,236 Speaker 1: talk about it. It's just a knowing. It's a gut 648 00:33:37,276 --> 00:33:42,036 Speaker 1: reaction in your kidneys. Yeah, tell me about the first 649 00:33:42,076 --> 00:33:45,276 Speaker 1: time that you played with John before he rejoined. What 650 00:33:45,356 --> 00:33:48,196 Speaker 1: was that experience, Like, when was it and what was it? Like? 651 00:33:48,676 --> 00:33:51,036 Speaker 1: I think that I can't remember the first thing, but 652 00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:54,276 Speaker 1: I remember like he and I were talking about some jazz. 653 00:33:54,796 --> 00:33:57,996 Speaker 1: He was really loving Charlie Christian, you know, but jazz 654 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:01,356 Speaker 1: guitarist you played in Benny Goodman's group. Yeah, And there 655 00:34:01,436 --> 00:34:03,356 Speaker 1: was a couple of songs he was learning and he 656 00:34:03,436 --> 00:34:06,796 Speaker 1: was like, let's play some of this jazz and it 657 00:34:06,996 --> 00:34:09,436 Speaker 1: was just fun, you know, it's just fun to play 658 00:34:09,476 --> 00:34:12,156 Speaker 1: that stuff. And then I think like he was recording 659 00:34:12,196 --> 00:34:15,756 Speaker 1: something with some breakbeats and I came in and played 660 00:34:15,796 --> 00:34:18,876 Speaker 1: on it at his house. Yeah, those were the first 661 00:34:18,916 --> 00:34:20,836 Speaker 1: time and like within the context of doing that, I 662 00:34:20,836 --> 00:34:22,556 Speaker 1: think we just sat there and jammed a little bit. 663 00:34:23,316 --> 00:34:25,516 Speaker 1: This easy man like just it was never like there's 664 00:34:25,516 --> 00:34:28,516 Speaker 1: something like big like the Clouds parting or anything, like 665 00:34:28,676 --> 00:34:31,796 Speaker 1: just a couple of guys hanging out playing no big deal. 666 00:34:32,196 --> 00:34:36,316 Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember any specific, like, you know, 667 00:34:36,796 --> 00:34:39,476 Speaker 1: it's just nice and easy. Man. We kind of eased 668 00:34:39,516 --> 00:34:42,796 Speaker 1: into it. John had the idea like, let's not start 669 00:34:42,876 --> 00:34:45,716 Speaker 1: trying to write anything. Let's place play, hang out and 670 00:34:45,716 --> 00:34:49,356 Speaker 1: play covers. That was fun. Yeah, how did you get 671 00:34:49,356 --> 00:34:52,836 Speaker 1: to the stage of feeling like maybe we should talk 672 00:34:52,836 --> 00:34:56,356 Speaker 1: about doing this again. Yeah, there was a specific moment 673 00:34:57,836 --> 00:35:02,956 Speaker 1: John and Marcy came over for dinner one night, we 674 00:35:03,076 --> 00:35:05,476 Speaker 1: can't remember, like either our girlfriends were talking in the 675 00:35:05,556 --> 00:35:08,596 Speaker 1: other room or something, and we were just talking about shit. 676 00:35:08,836 --> 00:35:13,156 Speaker 1: Nice said sometimes I really missed playing with you. And 677 00:35:13,196 --> 00:35:14,836 Speaker 1: when I said it, I couldn't help it. I just 678 00:35:14,876 --> 00:35:19,556 Speaker 1: started sobbing. I started crying, like and he looked at 679 00:35:19,556 --> 00:35:21,436 Speaker 1: me and I saw tears in his eyes too, and 680 00:35:21,476 --> 00:35:24,076 Speaker 1: I and He's like me too, you know, one of 681 00:35:24,076 --> 00:35:26,156 Speaker 1: those things. It was just kind of beyond words or 682 00:35:26,196 --> 00:35:30,516 Speaker 1: thoughts or anything like that, just love, beautiful. Yeah, and 683 00:35:30,556 --> 00:35:32,676 Speaker 1: then we didn't really talk about it again for a while. 684 00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:36,356 Speaker 1: And I remember seeing Anthony after that and I was like, 685 00:35:36,436 --> 00:35:39,036 Speaker 1: you know, I think that John would come back and 686 00:35:39,076 --> 00:35:43,436 Speaker 1: play with us, you know, And at first we're kind 687 00:35:43,476 --> 00:35:45,716 Speaker 1: of like, whoa, that's heavy, you know what I mean, 688 00:35:45,716 --> 00:35:48,116 Speaker 1: Because we're like full steam ahead with Josh. You know, 689 00:35:48,716 --> 00:35:52,076 Speaker 1: I kind of remember when that was. We're like right around, 690 00:35:52,276 --> 00:35:54,836 Speaker 1: We're like playing the Grammys with post Malone or some shit, 691 00:35:55,116 --> 00:35:57,716 Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, shortly after that, like 692 00:35:57,836 --> 00:35:59,836 Speaker 1: time went by, we were right and we were writing 693 00:35:59,836 --> 00:36:02,436 Speaker 1: a record, a new record, and I think at a 694 00:36:02,476 --> 00:36:04,716 Speaker 1: certain point we were like looking at what we had 695 00:36:05,396 --> 00:36:07,316 Speaker 1: might have played some of it for you, I think, 696 00:36:07,716 --> 00:36:11,876 Speaker 1: and feeling like, yeah, you know, we're doing it, but 697 00:36:12,276 --> 00:36:14,676 Speaker 1: I just felt like we were missing something, and I don't, 698 00:36:14,716 --> 00:36:17,156 Speaker 1: you know, I look, I liked the ship we made 699 00:36:17,156 --> 00:36:19,316 Speaker 1: with Josh, I really do, you know, And I think 700 00:36:19,516 --> 00:36:21,436 Speaker 1: and then I jammed with John once or twice. It 701 00:36:21,476 --> 00:36:24,276 Speaker 1: was just like that effortless thing. I wish I could 702 00:36:24,356 --> 00:36:27,676 Speaker 1: explain it articulated Rick, you know, like, but it's just this. 703 00:36:28,076 --> 00:36:29,916 Speaker 1: The best way I can say it is like what 704 00:36:29,996 --> 00:36:32,356 Speaker 1: I said before, We don't have to talk about it. Yeah, 705 00:36:32,476 --> 00:36:34,596 Speaker 1: do you remember how Anthony reacted when you said it 706 00:36:34,676 --> 00:36:38,436 Speaker 1: first time? I think a little taken aback at very first, 707 00:36:38,756 --> 00:36:42,116 Speaker 1: like because it's such a huge change. But you know 708 00:36:42,156 --> 00:36:44,716 Speaker 1: then that that shifted and I was like, you want 709 00:36:44,756 --> 00:36:46,476 Speaker 1: me to talk to him for real and find out 710 00:36:46,676 --> 00:36:49,916 Speaker 1: you know, and he was like yeah, And so I 711 00:36:49,916 --> 00:36:52,316 Speaker 1: went over to John's once again and sat with him 712 00:36:52,356 --> 00:36:54,316 Speaker 1: and asked him, said, you know, will you come back? 713 00:36:54,716 --> 00:36:56,676 Speaker 1: And he said, let me think about it. And he 714 00:36:56,756 --> 00:36:59,756 Speaker 1: thought about it for you know, I don't I can't. 715 00:36:59,756 --> 00:37:02,116 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened in his head. But within 716 00:37:02,196 --> 00:37:06,516 Speaker 1: a within a day or two, it was like yeah, 717 00:37:06,556 --> 00:37:08,796 Speaker 1: but you know, and and and you know, there was 718 00:37:08,796 --> 00:37:11,996 Speaker 1: something that he was concerned about, you know, like because 719 00:37:12,036 --> 00:37:14,796 Speaker 1: I obviously when he left it was painful for him, 720 00:37:14,836 --> 00:37:16,796 Speaker 1: not just us, you know, it was painful for him, 721 00:37:17,076 --> 00:37:19,636 Speaker 1: of course. And I can't speak from that side of it, 722 00:37:19,716 --> 00:37:22,836 Speaker 1: you know, I can only imagine it's a massive change, 723 00:37:23,276 --> 00:37:25,796 Speaker 1: you know, and how you spend your days and the 724 00:37:25,876 --> 00:37:28,196 Speaker 1: anchors in your life and what you work towards and 725 00:37:28,236 --> 00:37:30,836 Speaker 1: what you do, and sometimes you get everything you want. 726 00:37:30,876 --> 00:37:32,876 Speaker 1: But you know, and I think it's good for him 727 00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:35,556 Speaker 1: to do what he needs to do. But he also 728 00:37:35,676 --> 00:37:38,596 Speaker 1: remember him telling me like, I'm born to be the 729 00:37:38,636 --> 00:37:41,276 Speaker 1: guitar player in the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm the 730 00:37:41,276 --> 00:37:43,516 Speaker 1: guy that's supposed to be in this band. Like that's 731 00:37:43,516 --> 00:37:45,676 Speaker 1: just the truth. And yeah, so we you know, we 732 00:37:45,756 --> 00:37:47,836 Speaker 1: kind of went through that's kind of like like, well, 733 00:37:47,836 --> 00:37:49,756 Speaker 1: it would it be, would it hurt? Would it not hurt? 734 00:37:49,796 --> 00:37:51,396 Speaker 1: You know, what would we do to make it not hurt? 735 00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:53,556 Speaker 1: And I'm like this and I need this or that 736 00:37:53,636 --> 00:37:56,116 Speaker 1: and it's all good, you know, Like I'm a human 737 00:37:56,156 --> 00:37:59,476 Speaker 1: being who loves to do music and me too on 738 00:37:59,556 --> 00:38:02,876 Speaker 1: this whole process, like this record with John, Like man, 739 00:38:02,996 --> 00:38:06,596 Speaker 1: he's fucking good and the best way. He's just so 740 00:38:06,796 --> 00:38:11,796 Speaker 1: fucking good at music. But also he's so humble now 741 00:38:12,116 --> 00:38:16,316 Speaker 1: and he could easily not be, you know what I mean. 742 00:38:16,396 --> 00:38:18,036 Speaker 1: And all the things that he's doing, like all the 743 00:38:18,076 --> 00:38:22,516 Speaker 1: great synthesizer work, all the ideas about mixes and sonic 744 00:38:22,596 --> 00:38:26,156 Speaker 1: ideas and when to use reverbs or backward reverbs or 745 00:38:26,196 --> 00:38:29,076 Speaker 1: what to do, like all his like big picture of 746 00:38:29,196 --> 00:38:32,596 Speaker 1: music is so profound he does so much, Like the 747 00:38:32,636 --> 00:38:36,716 Speaker 1: background vocals he does so beautiful and just knocks him 748 00:38:36,796 --> 00:38:39,076 Speaker 1: the fuck out he does it. He's all like really 749 00:38:39,156 --> 00:38:42,796 Speaker 1: humble and really open to having faith and honoring other 750 00:38:42,836 --> 00:38:46,636 Speaker 1: people's ideas as well. I never am working with him 751 00:38:46,676 --> 00:38:50,036 Speaker 1: where I don't feel seen or heard or valued, and 752 00:38:50,356 --> 00:38:54,196 Speaker 1: that's a beautiful feeling. Do you remember when you first 753 00:38:54,276 --> 00:38:57,276 Speaker 1: heard all of the lyrics that Anthony wrote for this album. 754 00:38:58,196 --> 00:39:00,636 Speaker 1: What you're feeling was when he saw what he was writing. 755 00:39:01,316 --> 00:39:05,076 Speaker 1: You know, I always am struck first by the melodies 756 00:39:05,476 --> 00:39:08,116 Speaker 1: and by the rhythmic phrasing, like the musicality of it, 757 00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:13,116 Speaker 1: And it didn't really hit home until you know, you 758 00:39:13,116 --> 00:39:16,356 Speaker 1: guys went to Hawaii and started doing the vocals, because 759 00:39:16,356 --> 00:39:18,076 Speaker 1: I'd heard him and always thought, Wow, he's really doing 760 00:39:18,116 --> 00:39:21,196 Speaker 1: good shit. But when I started really hearing it and 761 00:39:21,276 --> 00:39:24,396 Speaker 1: you guys working together in the vocals coming back, how 762 00:39:24,876 --> 00:39:30,076 Speaker 1: evolved and how focused and how great he's done, Like 763 00:39:30,156 --> 00:39:32,556 Speaker 1: this is just the best he's ever done. I feel like, 764 00:39:32,636 --> 00:39:36,756 Speaker 1: by light years, like he's just fucking killing it, man. 765 00:39:37,316 --> 00:39:40,876 Speaker 1: And Anthony is amazing in that way. And I've said 766 00:39:40,916 --> 00:39:44,996 Speaker 1: this on other records that the fact that he started 767 00:39:44,996 --> 00:39:47,556 Speaker 1: off in the band is not really being a singer 768 00:39:47,956 --> 00:39:51,076 Speaker 1: and in the beginning like really having a difficult time 769 00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:54,636 Speaker 1: carrying a tune in pitch and you know, just kind 770 00:39:54,636 --> 00:39:58,436 Speaker 1: of like rapping and yelling and then turning into melodies 771 00:39:58,516 --> 00:40:01,956 Speaker 1: and slowly evolving. Like I think that has everything to 772 00:40:01,996 --> 00:40:04,476 Speaker 1: do with the longevity of the band, and I think 773 00:40:04,476 --> 00:40:06,076 Speaker 1: that he's like he has everything to do with the 774 00:40:06,076 --> 00:40:07,916 Speaker 1: longevity of the band because he's such a like this 775 00:40:07,996 --> 00:40:10,396 Speaker 1: is my job, this is what we like the story idea. 776 00:40:10,476 --> 00:40:12,556 Speaker 1: My mother worked at the same job for fifty years, 777 00:40:12,556 --> 00:40:14,316 Speaker 1: like me too, you know what I mean. Like he 778 00:40:14,396 --> 00:40:17,356 Speaker 1: has that real like blue collar thing about it. But 779 00:40:18,076 --> 00:40:21,916 Speaker 1: his evolution as a singer, it's like this thing that 780 00:40:22,196 --> 00:40:26,036 Speaker 1: every time it's better. Where most guys like usually as 781 00:40:26,076 --> 00:40:29,316 Speaker 1: they get older, and obviously not the case, but a 782 00:40:29,316 --> 00:40:32,396 Speaker 1: lot of guys start off as great singers and they 783 00:40:32,436 --> 00:40:34,716 Speaker 1: just have this natural skill. They could just fucking sing, 784 00:40:34,716 --> 00:40:37,356 Speaker 1: and twenty thirty years in they're just kind of like 785 00:40:37,756 --> 00:40:40,076 Speaker 1: trying to recreate what they did when they were twenty, 786 00:40:40,556 --> 00:40:42,876 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Whereas Anthony is not. He's 787 00:40:42,916 --> 00:40:45,516 Speaker 1: always going to something new and getting better and learning 788 00:40:45,556 --> 00:40:48,756 Speaker 1: to sing. He's like the student of being a vocalist 789 00:40:48,796 --> 00:40:53,956 Speaker 1: and his musicality, his sense of rhythm and phrasing his 790 00:40:54,076 --> 00:40:57,276 Speaker 1: and the lyrics on this record. It always takes me 791 00:40:57,356 --> 00:40:59,516 Speaker 1: a while with the lyrics, like especially the way that 792 00:40:59,556 --> 00:41:03,156 Speaker 1: Anthony writes, like he's not like a narrative type of singer, 793 00:41:03,436 --> 00:41:07,556 Speaker 1: very rarely is. He speaks in metaphors, and it takes 794 00:41:07,676 --> 00:41:09,796 Speaker 1: me a while for them to sing cannon to start 795 00:41:09,836 --> 00:41:12,316 Speaker 1: making sense to me. And also he's very verbose, you 796 00:41:12,316 --> 00:41:15,516 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there's a lot of words 797 00:41:14,956 --> 00:41:17,196 Speaker 1: and a lot of times for me at first, just 798 00:41:17,276 --> 00:41:18,956 Speaker 1: kind of the color of the words and how they 799 00:41:18,956 --> 00:41:20,596 Speaker 1: sit next to one another, and how they make me 800 00:41:20,636 --> 00:41:25,236 Speaker 1: feel that way, like the juxtaposition of words as opposed 801 00:41:25,276 --> 00:41:30,476 Speaker 1: to the un the real lyrical poetic content of the thing. Time, 802 00:41:31,116 --> 00:41:33,756 Speaker 1: you know, they sink into me over time. Some of 803 00:41:33,796 --> 00:41:36,276 Speaker 1: the songs when he was working on the on singing 804 00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,116 Speaker 1: in the studio and I'm listening to them, I'm listening 805 00:41:38,116 --> 00:41:40,756 Speaker 1: to the cool nature of the phrases, like the phrases 806 00:41:40,756 --> 00:41:43,156 Speaker 1: are cool, and the melody's good, and I'm and I'm 807 00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:47,076 Speaker 1: liking it. But as you say, on the surface, you 808 00:41:47,116 --> 00:41:51,756 Speaker 1: can't always hear what's happening. And I'm listening, and I'm 809 00:41:51,756 --> 00:41:54,156 Speaker 1: listening and over the course of the day, and I'll 810 00:41:54,196 --> 00:41:56,436 Speaker 1: be singing a song and then at one point it 811 00:41:56,556 --> 00:41:59,356 Speaker 1: like clicks in. It's like, oh, this is what this 812 00:41:59,396 --> 00:42:02,116 Speaker 1: is about, and I start crying because it's so heavy. 813 00:42:02,156 --> 00:42:05,996 Speaker 1: It's like it's so sad. Some of them are so 814 00:42:06,196 --> 00:42:13,396 Speaker 1: sad and heavy, heavy and sad and lonesome, and you know, obviously, 815 00:42:13,436 --> 00:42:16,236 Speaker 1: sometimes they're really light and whimsical and fun, you know, 816 00:42:16,836 --> 00:42:20,916 Speaker 1: but it just gets me wondering, like when he's writing 817 00:42:20,956 --> 00:42:24,956 Speaker 1: about that stuff or here, you know, his relationship to 818 00:42:24,996 --> 00:42:27,996 Speaker 1: the world and to his heart, and like I wonder 819 00:42:27,996 --> 00:42:30,556 Speaker 1: if he always knows, you know what I mean, when 820 00:42:30,556 --> 00:42:33,916 Speaker 1: he's putting the words together, really what he's writing about, 821 00:42:33,956 --> 00:42:35,916 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Or does it take shape 822 00:42:36,196 --> 00:42:37,916 Speaker 1: as he starts putting down the words, like does he 823 00:42:37,956 --> 00:42:40,756 Speaker 1: just have like a phrase that fascinates him and does 824 00:42:40,796 --> 00:42:43,556 Speaker 1: you start coloring around it and filling in putting together 825 00:42:43,636 --> 00:42:48,196 Speaker 1: this thing and does the like the real emotional underpinning 826 00:42:48,196 --> 00:42:50,396 Speaker 1: of it, does it take shape? You know what I mean? 827 00:42:50,516 --> 00:42:53,556 Speaker 1: Like like sometimes you know, you put something together just 828 00:42:53,556 --> 00:42:55,476 Speaker 1: how you're feeling in that moment, and you don't even 829 00:42:55,476 --> 00:42:57,796 Speaker 1: maybe you don't even really know. It starts on a 830 00:42:57,876 --> 00:43:02,596 Speaker 1: subconscious level and then maybe there are enough clues from 831 00:43:02,596 --> 00:43:05,036 Speaker 1: what's there to see, Oh, this is this is what 832 00:43:05,076 --> 00:43:08,196 Speaker 1: this is about. I could go further in this direction. Yeah, 833 00:43:08,196 --> 00:43:10,436 Speaker 1: I mean, having never you know, sat with him through 834 00:43:10,436 --> 00:43:12,156 Speaker 1: that process, I don't know, and you have sat with 835 00:43:12,196 --> 00:43:14,836 Speaker 1: him through that process, like watched him. Yeah, but it's 836 00:43:14,876 --> 00:43:17,556 Speaker 1: more like I'm with him the day it happens, but 837 00:43:17,756 --> 00:43:20,436 Speaker 1: he's usually doing homework up until the time that we meet. 838 00:43:20,756 --> 00:43:23,796 Speaker 1: And then he comes in and he, you know, presents 839 00:43:23,836 --> 00:43:25,636 Speaker 1: where it has and we talk about is it you know, 840 00:43:25,676 --> 00:43:29,036 Speaker 1: does everything work as well as it can? Yeah? I 841 00:43:29,076 --> 00:43:31,316 Speaker 1: mean I wonder if you know. I guess all lyricists 842 00:43:31,316 --> 00:43:35,076 Speaker 1: are different. I remember one time I did this, did 843 00:43:35,076 --> 00:43:37,316 Speaker 1: this record? I don't think. I can't remember if you 844 00:43:37,356 --> 00:43:38,916 Speaker 1: produced it or not. I don't think you did. Did 845 00:43:38,916 --> 00:43:45,436 Speaker 1: you the ll cool Jay thing for the Howard Sterns soundtrack? Yeah? Okay, so, 846 00:43:45,916 --> 00:43:47,396 Speaker 1: and I can't remember if you were in the room 847 00:43:47,396 --> 00:43:49,116 Speaker 1: when this happened or not. But we're getting ready to 848 00:43:49,196 --> 00:43:53,236 Speaker 1: track it, and I'm sitting there with LLL and he 849 00:43:53,276 --> 00:43:55,836 Speaker 1: didn't have lyrics yet. He might have had like a 850 00:43:55,996 --> 00:43:58,636 Speaker 1: I think he had a course line. I make my 851 00:43:58,676 --> 00:44:01,916 Speaker 1: own rules. It was the chorus line. And I'm sitting there, 852 00:44:02,116 --> 00:44:04,236 Speaker 1: like literally sitting next to him, and he's got a 853 00:44:04,236 --> 00:44:06,996 Speaker 1: pen in the paper and he starts writing the lyrics 854 00:44:07,236 --> 00:44:12,556 Speaker 1: and he started with just sounds ah oh ah, like 855 00:44:12,636 --> 00:44:16,156 Speaker 1: what how and rhythmic phrase of almost like grunts and 856 00:44:16,836 --> 00:44:20,756 Speaker 1: just rhythm and sylla syllabelic sounds, and then he started like, 857 00:44:20,756 --> 00:44:23,516 Speaker 1: so it's ah a word that has an ad has 858 00:44:23,556 --> 00:44:26,636 Speaker 1: an ooh, and but then started doing it and putting 859 00:44:26,676 --> 00:44:29,956 Speaker 1: just words together and writing lines around that and then 860 00:44:29,996 --> 00:44:31,996 Speaker 1: it but it formed a narrative in a story and 861 00:44:32,036 --> 00:44:35,796 Speaker 1: a whole thing like rife with like current events and 862 00:44:36,196 --> 00:44:40,516 Speaker 1: philosophy and his ideas you know of him. And it 863 00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:43,396 Speaker 1: was so amazing to watch him do it, and also 864 00:44:43,476 --> 00:44:44,996 Speaker 1: that he was so free to like just do it 865 00:44:44,996 --> 00:44:46,596 Speaker 1: in front of me like that, like like kind of 866 00:44:46,636 --> 00:44:49,796 Speaker 1: like letting me watch him. And I was amazed by it. 867 00:44:49,836 --> 00:44:52,396 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, I don't know how Anthony 868 00:44:52,516 --> 00:44:55,756 Speaker 1: does it. I don't know, but he fucking rocked it 869 00:44:55,796 --> 00:44:58,556 Speaker 1: on this album. Man, he really it's the best he's 870 00:44:58,556 --> 00:45:03,716 Speaker 1: ever done. He's singing beautifully, like really like and he's 871 00:45:03,756 --> 00:45:06,916 Speaker 1: doing it rehearsal too, Like this is no studio magic. 872 00:45:07,036 --> 00:45:11,316 Speaker 1: Like he's fucking singing this ship. So the longevity in 873 00:45:11,316 --> 00:45:13,196 Speaker 1: the band, you know, has everything to do with his 874 00:45:13,356 --> 00:45:16,916 Speaker 1: constant evolution as a singer. You know, like he's always 875 00:45:16,956 --> 00:45:19,836 Speaker 1: I feel like he's there's always something around the band. 876 00:45:19,876 --> 00:45:25,196 Speaker 1: It's more more expansive. There's also that like the pride 877 00:45:25,436 --> 00:45:29,756 Speaker 1: in the work that you guys have. Nothing is ever 878 00:45:30,236 --> 00:45:35,116 Speaker 1: phoned into any degree. The fact that we recorded probably 879 00:45:35,476 --> 00:45:40,036 Speaker 1: close to fifty songs and that Anthony wrote and sang 880 00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:43,516 Speaker 1: fifty songs knowing fifty songs were not going to be 881 00:45:43,556 --> 00:45:46,636 Speaker 1: on the album, but because he wanted whatever was on 882 00:45:46,676 --> 00:45:48,556 Speaker 1: the album to be the best that could be. And 883 00:45:48,596 --> 00:45:50,796 Speaker 1: we'll only know that if he does all the work 884 00:45:50,836 --> 00:45:54,116 Speaker 1: of doing all fifty songs, and even if there's an 885 00:45:54,236 --> 00:45:56,996 Speaker 1: instrumental track that he's having trouble with, he's going to 886 00:45:57,076 --> 00:45:59,836 Speaker 1: fight with it forever until he gets something because he 887 00:45:59,916 --> 00:46:02,276 Speaker 1: sees potential in it and wants it to be all 888 00:46:02,276 --> 00:46:06,676 Speaker 1: that it could be. And it's a real commitment to 889 00:46:06,876 --> 00:46:09,276 Speaker 1: doing whatever it takes to be as good as it 890 00:46:09,316 --> 00:46:12,356 Speaker 1: could be. That, when you know, for a band that's 891 00:46:12,356 --> 00:46:16,956 Speaker 1: been around for forty years, is unusual. Yeah. I mean 892 00:46:17,116 --> 00:46:20,076 Speaker 1: I can't compare it to other bands because I don't 893 00:46:20,116 --> 00:46:22,396 Speaker 1: know so, but you do know because you work with 894 00:46:22,436 --> 00:46:27,116 Speaker 1: lots of different bands phenomenal like like especially to hear 895 00:46:27,156 --> 00:46:29,756 Speaker 1: you put it like that, like fuck, he didn't just 896 00:46:29,876 --> 00:46:31,956 Speaker 1: like phone in some like let me get this one 897 00:46:31,996 --> 00:46:33,436 Speaker 1: could be really good. I'm gonna do this one like 898 00:46:33,636 --> 00:46:35,876 Speaker 1: he took the one that was weird and did the 899 00:46:35,916 --> 00:46:38,436 Speaker 1: best thing that he could and found something that really 900 00:46:38,476 --> 00:46:41,596 Speaker 1: made it work and turned it into a song. Yeah, amazing, 901 00:46:41,956 --> 00:46:47,236 Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. Talk about the difference between playing with Chad 902 00:46:47,716 --> 00:46:50,756 Speaker 1: versus playing with anybody else in the Chili Peppers, Well, 903 00:46:50,756 --> 00:46:54,676 Speaker 1: but Shot, it's funny because you know, my relationship with 904 00:46:55,076 --> 00:47:00,796 Speaker 1: Anthony is very personal and very much brother like, and 905 00:47:00,996 --> 00:47:04,316 Speaker 1: my relationship with John is also very personal, very emotional, 906 00:47:04,556 --> 00:47:11,316 Speaker 1: very intuitive, very connected. But my relationship Chad is like, like, 907 00:47:11,356 --> 00:47:13,396 Speaker 1: we don't hang out outside of the band, never have. 908 00:47:13,876 --> 00:47:15,796 Speaker 1: I'd probably been to his house once, you know what 909 00:47:15,836 --> 00:47:19,996 Speaker 1: I mean. It's like this different thing, but it's just 910 00:47:20,036 --> 00:47:24,916 Speaker 1: this very grounded, rhythmic thing. It's like there's no bullshit 911 00:47:24,956 --> 00:47:26,836 Speaker 1: about it, you know what I mean, there's no not 912 00:47:26,876 --> 00:47:28,676 Speaker 1: that the other ones have bullshit on them either, but 913 00:47:28,796 --> 00:47:31,956 Speaker 1: it's just like we get down, we look at each 914 00:47:31,996 --> 00:47:35,476 Speaker 1: other and that's how we talk. We very rarely do 915 00:47:35,596 --> 00:47:39,596 Speaker 1: we speak about things that, you know, about emotional things, 916 00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:43,556 Speaker 1: or about spiritual things, or about even things that trouble 917 00:47:43,676 --> 00:47:46,396 Speaker 1: us or or your you know, that we aspire to. 918 00:47:47,356 --> 00:47:49,596 Speaker 1: It's just just we get down and fucking hammer out 919 00:47:49,636 --> 00:47:54,196 Speaker 1: some grooves, you know, and it's cool. I remember like 920 00:47:54,756 --> 00:47:58,156 Speaker 1: once Chadas I've might have been a fiftieth birthday like 921 00:47:58,156 --> 00:48:02,356 Speaker 1: ten years ago or something, and his wife went and 922 00:48:02,436 --> 00:48:05,756 Speaker 1: like had someone come in film everybody talking about Chad 923 00:48:06,076 --> 00:48:10,516 Speaker 1: for his birthday thing. And I remember feeling kind of 924 00:48:10,556 --> 00:48:13,036 Speaker 1: like weird because I was like, well, I don't talk 925 00:48:13,076 --> 00:48:15,396 Speaker 1: with Chad personally about stuff. And I almost was like 926 00:48:15,436 --> 00:48:17,796 Speaker 1: embarrassed because there was like, you know, like well back 927 00:48:17,796 --> 00:48:19,956 Speaker 1: when we were twenty one, I'm gonna tell this funny story, 928 00:48:20,316 --> 00:48:23,996 Speaker 1: but like there wasn't this other thing, and I kind 929 00:48:24,036 --> 00:48:27,956 Speaker 1: of said, look, chat and I we don't really speak 930 00:48:27,996 --> 00:48:31,156 Speaker 1: emotionally about these things that I would normally talk about. 931 00:48:31,236 --> 00:48:37,156 Speaker 1: Under these circumstances. We talk by playing. We talk by 932 00:48:37,276 --> 00:48:39,676 Speaker 1: like looking at each other and knowing when to lay 933 00:48:39,716 --> 00:48:42,036 Speaker 1: back into a groove, or knowing when to lean forward 934 00:48:42,076 --> 00:48:44,076 Speaker 1: and knowing when to sit right in the middle, or 935 00:48:44,196 --> 00:48:46,476 Speaker 1: knowing when he should lay back and I should lean forward, 936 00:48:46,516 --> 00:48:49,236 Speaker 1: or vice versa, like all these intricacies of rhythm which 937 00:48:49,316 --> 00:48:52,516 Speaker 1: color a song so profoundly, Like the way I mean, 938 00:48:52,556 --> 00:48:54,796 Speaker 1: you know, man, you sit there and go and listen 939 00:48:54,836 --> 00:48:58,836 Speaker 1: to rhythms, especially live musicians. Whichever way some person is 940 00:48:58,916 --> 00:49:02,276 Speaker 1: leaning changes everything, and we do all this stuff just 941 00:49:02,316 --> 00:49:05,276 Speaker 1: by looking at each other. And afterwards, I said, like, 942 00:49:05,356 --> 00:49:08,236 Speaker 1: why the fuck should I feel like that's less significant 943 00:49:09,156 --> 00:49:12,156 Speaker 1: then speaking or talking about you know, our fucking inner 944 00:49:12,276 --> 00:49:16,236 Speaker 1: child or some shit like that. Is a beautiful conversation 945 00:49:16,396 --> 00:49:20,036 Speaker 1: that Chad and I share and I'm so grateful for that, 946 00:49:20,356 --> 00:49:23,036 Speaker 1: you know. And that's the way that we are, and 947 00:49:23,076 --> 00:49:26,076 Speaker 1: that's what it is, and that's awesome. Do you feel 948 00:49:26,076 --> 00:49:29,756 Speaker 1: like when you play with Chad it brings something to 949 00:49:29,836 --> 00:49:32,076 Speaker 1: the way you play that's different if you're playing with 950 00:49:32,116 --> 00:49:40,076 Speaker 1: anybody else? Totally? Chad is so powerful, like physically powerful 951 00:49:40,356 --> 00:49:44,836 Speaker 1: on the drums and the dynamic like that he can 952 00:49:44,876 --> 00:49:48,036 Speaker 1: go to the potential of where he can go is 953 00:49:48,116 --> 00:49:52,276 Speaker 1: so like like I've heard of elephants, Like the physical 954 00:49:52,476 --> 00:49:56,556 Speaker 1: power and volume and strength of where he can go 955 00:49:57,316 --> 00:50:00,276 Speaker 1: is always there. So it's always coloring that if you want, 956 00:50:00,316 --> 00:50:03,436 Speaker 1: I can look at him and be like, here we go, motherfucker, 957 00:50:03,516 --> 00:50:05,356 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I know that he 958 00:50:05,516 --> 00:50:10,156 Speaker 1: is going to explode like a fucking nuclear bomb. I'd 959 00:50:10,196 --> 00:50:13,316 Speaker 1: better be ready to handle it, you know, And and 960 00:50:13,396 --> 00:50:16,156 Speaker 1: also like, hey, it's time to get you know, really 961 00:50:16,196 --> 00:50:18,756 Speaker 1: subtle and quiet and beautiful. He can go there too, 962 00:50:18,836 --> 00:50:23,076 Speaker 1: like he's so dynamic, so it makes me just get 963 00:50:23,076 --> 00:50:25,116 Speaker 1: downe with him. And he's also like she has a 964 00:50:25,236 --> 00:50:28,756 Speaker 1: very meat and potatoes drummer, like a real rock drummer, 965 00:50:28,836 --> 00:50:32,076 Speaker 1: like you know, a bottom style, you know, a big 966 00:50:32,156 --> 00:50:34,076 Speaker 1: kick on the one, big snail on the two and 967 00:50:34,116 --> 00:50:36,756 Speaker 1: the four. You know, like that he can lay that 968 00:50:36,836 --> 00:50:40,076 Speaker 1: down heavier than any drummer I've ever felt before in 969 00:50:40,116 --> 00:50:43,316 Speaker 1: my life. It gives me so many options, Like I 970 00:50:43,356 --> 00:50:46,316 Speaker 1: can get in there with him on that one, you know, 971 00:50:46,476 --> 00:50:49,996 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's just heavy, like heavy ocity. 972 00:50:50,836 --> 00:50:53,196 Speaker 1: Or I can dance around, you know, in between it, 973 00:50:53,236 --> 00:50:55,236 Speaker 1: you know, and it does something completely different, you know 974 00:50:55,276 --> 00:50:58,156 Speaker 1: if I go and syncopated in between the holes, you know, 975 00:50:58,756 --> 00:51:00,756 Speaker 1: so it just opens so much up, you know, whereas 976 00:51:00,756 --> 00:51:02,716 Speaker 1: I you know, I've been fortunate in my life to 977 00:51:02,756 --> 00:51:06,436 Speaker 1: play with like really great drummers, a variety of and 978 00:51:06,596 --> 00:51:09,516 Speaker 1: it makes me play completely differently depending on who I'm 979 00:51:09,556 --> 00:51:11,516 Speaker 1: playing with, you know, Like I play with Tony Allen, 980 00:51:11,636 --> 00:51:15,156 Speaker 1: like the afrobeat guy, and he doesn't like anyone going 981 00:51:15,196 --> 00:51:17,196 Speaker 1: away from his kick, Like don't dancer around a kick, 982 00:51:17,236 --> 00:51:19,196 Speaker 1: play on a kick, white boy, you know what I mean. 983 00:51:19,316 --> 00:51:22,836 Speaker 1: It's like don't come with some bullshit, and so you know, 984 00:51:22,956 --> 00:51:24,836 Speaker 1: I you know, I love Tony, so I don't want 985 00:51:24,836 --> 00:51:26,956 Speaker 1: to I'm gonna do what he says. You know. It's 986 00:51:27,036 --> 00:51:29,396 Speaker 1: like I get mad dogged by Tony Allen, you know. 987 00:51:30,356 --> 00:51:33,476 Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah, playing Chad makes me, you know, 988 00:51:33,516 --> 00:51:36,796 Speaker 1: And that's the sound. That a sound of the Chili Peppers, 989 00:51:36,796 --> 00:51:39,636 Speaker 1: and you know, of that rhythm. Let's talk about you 990 00:51:39,636 --> 00:51:43,996 Speaker 1: so you can make a face and inspire Chad to 991 00:51:44,156 --> 00:51:47,956 Speaker 1: go heavy. Talk about how it works live, because one 992 00:51:47,956 --> 00:51:50,516 Speaker 1: of the things that's fascinating about the Chili Peppers compared 993 00:51:50,556 --> 00:51:55,476 Speaker 1: to pretty much any popular band today is that when 994 00:51:55,516 --> 00:51:58,796 Speaker 1: you guys play, it is of this fluid thing. It's 995 00:51:58,836 --> 00:52:00,676 Speaker 1: not like you play the songs the same way every 996 00:52:00,676 --> 00:52:04,556 Speaker 1: single night. It's like you guys jam and things can 997 00:52:04,636 --> 00:52:07,076 Speaker 1: go longer or things can go shorter. And you've in 998 00:52:07,116 --> 00:52:10,276 Speaker 1: the past have gone on stage and are playing where 999 00:52:10,316 --> 00:52:12,116 Speaker 1: no one knows what you're gonna you know, none of 1000 00:52:12,116 --> 00:52:15,756 Speaker 1: the individual members knows what's going to happen. Someone just 1001 00:52:15,796 --> 00:52:18,596 Speaker 1: starts playing something and something happens. You do that a 1002 00:52:18,596 --> 00:52:23,076 Speaker 1: lot all the time. So beyond the musical conversation that 1003 00:52:23,116 --> 00:52:28,636 Speaker 1: we hear, talk about you John and Chad looking at 1004 00:52:28,716 --> 00:52:33,156 Speaker 1: each other and playing what happens? Who leads? And can 1005 00:52:33,716 --> 00:52:36,316 Speaker 1: all three of you lead at different times? How does 1006 00:52:36,356 --> 00:52:39,916 Speaker 1: that work? Yeah? Definitely, all three of us can lead 1007 00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:45,276 Speaker 1: at different times. And it's trusting yourself. Like that sort 1008 00:52:45,276 --> 00:52:49,076 Speaker 1: of really comes down to, is trusting yourself. And the 1009 00:52:49,156 --> 00:52:51,116 Speaker 1: more that you can learn to trust yourself and love 1010 00:52:51,156 --> 00:52:54,796 Speaker 1: yourself and know that what you're feeling, whether it's emotionally 1011 00:52:54,876 --> 00:52:58,916 Speaker 1: or spiritual or cerebral, that that's who you are and 1012 00:52:59,276 --> 00:53:01,596 Speaker 1: who you are as of value and trusting the other 1013 00:53:01,596 --> 00:53:04,796 Speaker 1: guys to do something that's who they are. And that's 1014 00:53:04,876 --> 00:53:08,476 Speaker 1: kind of the crux of everything with us because that's 1015 00:53:08,476 --> 00:53:10,636 Speaker 1: where like a lot of the songs come from, jams 1016 00:53:10,636 --> 00:53:14,356 Speaker 1: like that. And when we're doing that, we're listening. You know, 1017 00:53:14,436 --> 00:53:17,596 Speaker 1: you really gotta fucking listen. You can't just blunder ahead, 1018 00:53:17,636 --> 00:53:20,316 Speaker 1: like just play a song. It's painting by numbers, dude, 1019 00:53:20,716 --> 00:53:22,716 Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying, like a song is a vehicle 1020 00:53:22,796 --> 00:53:25,236 Speaker 1: for a beautiful connection and emotion to happen. And you know, 1021 00:53:25,316 --> 00:53:27,676 Speaker 1: I believe in the power ever song. But if you're 1022 00:53:27,676 --> 00:53:30,836 Speaker 1: just like going out and playing the same shit every night, yeah, 1023 00:53:30,876 --> 00:53:33,756 Speaker 1: it's boring. For the musician. You know, it can work 1024 00:53:33,796 --> 00:53:35,876 Speaker 1: well if you're good at it fair enough, you know, 1025 00:53:36,396 --> 00:53:40,396 Speaker 1: but there's no element of risk. There's no element of danger, 1026 00:53:40,916 --> 00:53:44,036 Speaker 1: there's no chance to fail. And if I don't, if 1027 00:53:44,036 --> 00:53:45,796 Speaker 1: I go to see someone play, and if I don't 1028 00:53:45,836 --> 00:53:48,356 Speaker 1: think they're doing something that they might fail at because 1029 00:53:48,356 --> 00:53:51,876 Speaker 1: they're reaching, I'm bored. I just don't fucking care. And 1030 00:53:51,916 --> 00:53:54,876 Speaker 1: I mean I get it, like I'll go see a band, 1031 00:53:54,876 --> 00:53:57,396 Speaker 1: they'll play a song that I love, and it's just 1032 00:53:57,556 --> 00:54:00,636 Speaker 1: great that they're playing the song. But Neil Young, you 1033 00:54:00,716 --> 00:54:04,276 Speaker 1: know people that I really admire even great great you know, 1034 00:54:04,956 --> 00:54:08,076 Speaker 1: electronic musicians are always mixing it up and doing weird shit. 1035 00:54:08,676 --> 00:54:10,636 Speaker 1: But with us, in terms of the way that we 1036 00:54:10,676 --> 00:54:13,396 Speaker 1: relate to one another, I guess the best way that 1037 00:54:13,436 --> 00:54:19,076 Speaker 1: I can articulate it is listening and trusting. And you know, 1038 00:54:19,116 --> 00:54:22,316 Speaker 1: whoever starts something, you know, get inside what they're doing, 1039 00:54:22,436 --> 00:54:24,396 Speaker 1: Listen to what they're doing, where they're going, you know 1040 00:54:24,756 --> 00:54:26,756 Speaker 1: what mode are they in? Like it's there's so many 1041 00:54:26,756 --> 00:54:28,876 Speaker 1: things that have to happen quick in your mind, like, Okay, 1042 00:54:28,956 --> 00:54:31,236 Speaker 1: what key is it in? What rhythm is he playing? 1043 00:54:31,556 --> 00:54:33,596 Speaker 1: Am I going to come at it and just play 1044 00:54:33,676 --> 00:54:37,236 Speaker 1: something completely opposite to it to like, if John's playing 1045 00:54:37,236 --> 00:54:39,516 Speaker 1: something fast, we all do something really slow. It's like 1046 00:54:39,556 --> 00:54:41,996 Speaker 1: a bath for that fast thing to relax. And or 1047 00:54:42,036 --> 00:54:44,436 Speaker 1: maybe I'll go really fast right with him and we'll 1048 00:54:44,436 --> 00:54:46,996 Speaker 1: be playing together. It's jagged rhythm that's intense. Or I'll 1049 00:54:46,996 --> 00:54:49,836 Speaker 1: go really fast completely against him. That'll create a counterpoint 1050 00:54:49,836 --> 00:54:52,196 Speaker 1: that's a whole new rhythm. And then what Chad does. 1051 00:54:52,236 --> 00:54:54,916 Speaker 1: Does you do a halftime beater or of fast beat 1052 00:54:55,116 --> 00:54:58,396 Speaker 1: or just hits you know what I mean? No matter 1053 00:54:58,476 --> 00:55:01,556 Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and we might completely fall on 1054 00:55:01,556 --> 00:55:04,276 Speaker 1: our faces and it'll suck, or we might play the 1055 00:55:04,316 --> 00:55:07,196 Speaker 1: greatest thing we've ever played in our lives in that moment, 1056 00:55:07,556 --> 00:55:09,476 Speaker 1: and all of it's worth the risk, you know. And 1057 00:55:09,556 --> 00:55:12,156 Speaker 1: if you don't take the risk, you don't get it. Period. Yeah. 1058 00:55:12,316 --> 00:55:15,716 Speaker 1: Talk about the Silver Lake Conservatory, Oh thank you. The 1059 00:55:15,756 --> 00:55:19,196 Speaker 1: Silver Lake Conservatory is a nonprofit music school I started 1060 00:55:19,236 --> 00:55:23,276 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Now we teach about eight hundred kids 1061 00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:26,516 Speaker 1: a week. And we started off in a little storefront 1062 00:55:26,796 --> 00:55:29,876 Speaker 1: where we were for the first fifteen years, and we 1063 00:55:29,956 --> 00:55:32,996 Speaker 1: had eight private lesson rooms and we'd like rent out 1064 00:55:33,076 --> 00:55:36,156 Speaker 1: different spaces around town or for our group classes like 1065 00:55:36,236 --> 00:55:41,276 Speaker 1: choir and orchestra and all the contemporary groups. And after 1066 00:55:41,396 --> 00:55:43,796 Speaker 1: raising money for like fifteen years, we finally bought a 1067 00:55:43,836 --> 00:55:48,516 Speaker 1: really huge, big building up on Hollywood and Vermont and 1068 00:55:48,556 --> 00:55:51,876 Speaker 1: now we have a big recital hall and four group 1069 00:55:51,956 --> 00:55:56,156 Speaker 1: classrooms and twelve private lesson rooms. It's been so great 1070 00:55:56,236 --> 00:56:00,516 Speaker 1: Rick these last twenty years. It's just given me so much, 1071 00:56:00,556 --> 00:56:03,836 Speaker 1: Like I get so much joy from it. I really 1072 00:56:03,996 --> 00:56:08,076 Speaker 1: thrive in being part of a community and feel like 1073 00:56:08,116 --> 00:56:09,916 Speaker 1: I'm doing something for a community. And I guess like 1074 00:56:09,996 --> 00:56:12,636 Speaker 1: essentially that's kind of like how I look at playing 1075 00:56:12,716 --> 00:56:14,956 Speaker 1: music too, even though like I said before, like sure, 1076 00:56:14,996 --> 00:56:17,276 Speaker 1: I like making money and all that, but when I 1077 00:56:17,316 --> 00:56:20,076 Speaker 1: feel like I'm doing something that brings community together and 1078 00:56:20,116 --> 00:56:23,036 Speaker 1: helps in that way, I feel a great sense of purpose. 1079 00:56:23,156 --> 00:56:26,076 Speaker 1: So like I get, I really get a lot from 1080 00:56:26,076 --> 00:56:29,196 Speaker 1: it selfishly, and I love it. And just like seeing 1081 00:56:29,236 --> 00:56:30,956 Speaker 1: the kids grow up, Like now that we've been around 1082 00:56:30,996 --> 00:56:34,356 Speaker 1: for so long, I'll like go to the grocery store 1083 00:56:34,356 --> 00:56:37,516 Speaker 1: and run into somebody who's like, you know, thirty five 1084 00:56:37,636 --> 00:56:39,756 Speaker 1: years old, an adult. I'd be like, hey, you know, 1085 00:56:39,796 --> 00:56:41,876 Speaker 1: I went to my school when I was a little kid, 1086 00:56:42,556 --> 00:56:45,156 Speaker 1: and you know, really set me up with my friends 1087 00:56:45,196 --> 00:56:47,036 Speaker 1: that I have now my best friends. We all met 1088 00:56:47,036 --> 00:56:49,036 Speaker 1: at the school and we sang in the choir together 1089 00:56:49,636 --> 00:56:50,956 Speaker 1: and you know, we had a band for a while. 1090 00:56:50,956 --> 00:56:52,916 Speaker 1: It didn't work out. Now I'm up whatever. You know, 1091 00:56:52,956 --> 00:56:56,276 Speaker 1: I'm a graphic design or something. But it's so nice 1092 00:56:56,396 --> 00:57:00,396 Speaker 1: to feel that like it. It moves me, you know, 1093 00:57:00,676 --> 00:57:03,116 Speaker 1: to have that connection to community and feel like I'm 1094 00:57:03,756 --> 00:57:06,356 Speaker 1: of you sit in that way makes me really happy. 1095 00:57:06,796 --> 00:57:08,636 Speaker 1: What age are the people who come to learn to 1096 00:57:08,676 --> 00:57:11,356 Speaker 1: play little kids? Like? We don't have an age limit, 1097 00:57:11,916 --> 00:57:13,556 Speaker 1: like the things. You have to be able to take 1098 00:57:13,636 --> 00:57:16,476 Speaker 1: care of an instrument and be diligent enough to practice 1099 00:57:16,516 --> 00:57:19,436 Speaker 1: it to do their work. That's the only requirement. So 1100 00:57:19,516 --> 00:57:21,996 Speaker 1: some kids can do that when they're five. Some kids 1101 00:57:21,996 --> 00:57:24,036 Speaker 1: can't do that till at fifteen, you know what I mean? 1102 00:57:24,116 --> 00:57:27,996 Speaker 1: So or never, you know, So it's all different. The 1103 00:57:28,036 --> 00:57:31,676 Speaker 1: majority of students are between the ages of around like 1104 00:57:32,316 --> 00:57:35,316 Speaker 1: eleven years old and eighteen like in there, But we 1105 00:57:35,356 --> 00:57:38,156 Speaker 1: have lots of elderly people that come to play and 1106 00:57:38,636 --> 00:57:43,316 Speaker 1: real little kids. And if you qualify for lunch tickets 1107 00:57:43,316 --> 00:57:45,036 Speaker 1: at school, you go for free and we give you 1108 00:57:45,036 --> 00:57:48,876 Speaker 1: an instrument and otherwise, you know, you pay, but it's 1109 00:57:48,916 --> 00:57:53,556 Speaker 1: just awesome. And I'm actually in the process of a 1110 00:57:53,556 --> 00:57:56,316 Speaker 1: few other people starting a new one in Watts, which 1111 00:57:56,396 --> 00:57:59,956 Speaker 1: is really rewarding as well. The thing that I like 1112 00:58:00,076 --> 00:58:01,916 Speaker 1: about it, and I guess it's the thing that I 1113 00:58:01,956 --> 00:58:05,996 Speaker 1: like about music too, is that my hope is like 1114 00:58:06,036 --> 00:58:07,956 Speaker 1: and I feel like I've accomplished this with the Silver 1115 00:58:08,076 --> 00:58:12,796 Speaker 1: Late Conservatory, is that long after I'm not I'm gone, 1116 00:58:12,876 --> 00:58:14,716 Speaker 1: it will be a music school there and kids can 1117 00:58:14,756 --> 00:58:17,036 Speaker 1: go in there and learn how to play, you know, 1118 00:58:17,356 --> 00:58:20,716 Speaker 1: Benny Goodman stuff on the clarinet. And you know, one 1119 00:58:20,756 --> 00:58:24,676 Speaker 1: of our purposes too, is not just a place for 1120 00:58:24,836 --> 00:58:27,116 Speaker 1: kids to learn music, but a place for teachers to teach, 1121 00:58:27,316 --> 00:58:29,436 Speaker 1: which is just as important for a teacher to have 1122 00:58:29,516 --> 00:58:32,116 Speaker 1: the purpose of teaching, you know, and to this knowledge 1123 00:58:32,156 --> 00:58:35,076 Speaker 1: to keep being handed down. And you know, we care 1124 00:58:35,076 --> 00:58:37,956 Speaker 1: about keeping the traditional instruments alive and you know, teaching 1125 00:58:37,996 --> 00:58:40,076 Speaker 1: theobo in a bassoon, in the French horn of the 1126 00:58:40,156 --> 00:58:43,516 Speaker 1: viola and all those things. And it's fun. It's like, 1127 00:58:43,756 --> 00:58:46,476 Speaker 1: it's just fun. How did you get the ideas started? 1128 00:58:47,036 --> 00:58:49,356 Speaker 1: I had it in my head for a while just 1129 00:58:49,396 --> 00:58:51,876 Speaker 1: because it just kind of seemed like a good idea, 1130 00:58:52,036 --> 00:58:56,676 Speaker 1: and then like a year before it opened. Remember, i'd 1131 00:58:56,676 --> 00:58:58,716 Speaker 1: like be dealing with a heartbreak of some variety, and 1132 00:58:58,716 --> 00:59:02,596 Speaker 1: I went down to Mexico by myself and I was 1133 00:59:02,996 --> 00:59:05,716 Speaker 1: reading a book by a great jazz musician named Horace 1134 00:59:05,796 --> 00:59:08,436 Speaker 1: tap Scott, and it's a great book just for reading. 1135 00:59:08,436 --> 00:59:11,396 Speaker 1: You'd love it. He wrote a book called Songs of 1136 00:59:11,436 --> 00:59:14,396 Speaker 1: the Unsung. You know, his story is really great. As 1137 00:59:14,436 --> 00:59:17,996 Speaker 1: an LA jazz musician and at one point he got 1138 00:59:17,996 --> 00:59:20,596 Speaker 1: an idea to start a music school in South LA. 1139 00:59:20,916 --> 00:59:22,276 Speaker 1: It was just, you know, for all the kids in 1140 00:59:22,276 --> 00:59:25,076 Speaker 1: the community in South LA. And he started having this 1141 00:59:25,236 --> 00:59:29,716 Speaker 1: orchestra called the Orchestra and all he had really also 1142 00:59:29,796 --> 00:59:32,516 Speaker 1: great adult musicians in it too, and then when kids 1143 00:59:32,516 --> 00:59:34,756 Speaker 1: were good enough, they would join it and they played 1144 00:59:34,796 --> 00:59:38,356 Speaker 1: every weekend in Lamert Park at World Stage and did 1145 00:59:38,396 --> 00:59:41,356 Speaker 1: concerts and it was a real just a beautiful thing. 1146 00:59:41,436 --> 00:59:45,516 Speaker 1: And his was like music and also literature and poetry 1147 00:59:45,596 --> 00:59:49,556 Speaker 1: and theater and all arts, you know, and but free 1148 00:59:49,556 --> 00:59:51,876 Speaker 1: and for everyone in the community. And it became, you know, 1149 00:59:51,916 --> 00:59:55,036 Speaker 1: a real connecting point in a community in South Los Angeles. 1150 00:59:55,036 --> 00:59:57,076 Speaker 1: And musicians that I love, like one of my favorite 1151 00:59:57,156 --> 01:00:00,236 Speaker 1: drummers ever is Billy Higgins and Billy Higgins did it 1152 01:00:00,276 --> 01:00:02,316 Speaker 1: with him, and so that's a big part of his 1153 01:00:02,396 --> 01:00:05,876 Speaker 1: book and he writes so profoundly about it. And I 1154 01:00:05,916 --> 01:00:07,556 Speaker 1: ever just being down in kind of a raw and 1155 01:00:07,676 --> 01:00:11,476 Speaker 1: vulnerable state down in me Psico alone, and I read 1156 01:00:11,516 --> 01:00:14,476 Speaker 1: that book and I remember, just like the last page 1157 01:00:14,516 --> 01:00:19,156 Speaker 1: like put him down. I was in tears and sorry, 1158 01:00:19,156 --> 01:00:22,756 Speaker 1: it's emotional time. It was an emotional time. But I 1159 01:00:22,836 --> 01:00:26,436 Speaker 1: was so in touch at that moment with how important 1160 01:00:26,476 --> 01:00:29,836 Speaker 1: that mission was and I could resolve. I set it down. 1161 01:00:29,876 --> 01:00:31,676 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going home starting a music school, 1162 01:00:31,716 --> 01:00:33,916 Speaker 1: period done, no matter what it takes. I'll pay whatever 1163 01:00:33,956 --> 01:00:35,956 Speaker 1: it costs. I'm hiring the people, I'm getting a building, 1164 01:00:35,956 --> 01:00:37,916 Speaker 1: I'm building it out and starting to school. And I 1165 01:00:37,996 --> 01:00:39,596 Speaker 1: just went and did it, and just you know, new 1166 01:00:39,596 --> 01:00:41,636 Speaker 1: people to help. I had a friend, my friend Tree, 1167 01:00:41,636 --> 01:00:44,236 Speaker 1: who'd been a music teacher for many years, hired him 1168 01:00:44,276 --> 01:00:46,596 Speaker 1: to be the dean. You know, just got it. My 1169 01:00:46,596 --> 01:00:49,716 Speaker 1: friend Pete. We just got together, found a contractor got 1170 01:00:49,716 --> 01:00:51,796 Speaker 1: a place built it, did it. So I was just 1171 01:00:51,836 --> 01:00:53,396 Speaker 1: like with that resolve and I was like, I'm doing 1172 01:00:53,436 --> 01:00:56,196 Speaker 1: it no matter what, like top priority. And I and 1173 01:00:56,276 --> 01:00:58,476 Speaker 1: one of the lessons I've learned from having done it 1174 01:00:58,476 --> 01:01:00,236 Speaker 1: for so long. Is like when you have a good 1175 01:01:00,236 --> 01:01:04,356 Speaker 1: idea like that, go with it, you know, Yeah, and 1176 01:01:04,756 --> 01:01:07,036 Speaker 1: the momentum of just what it is has carried it 1177 01:01:07,116 --> 01:01:09,636 Speaker 1: throughout the years. It's such a cool thing. I still 1178 01:01:09,676 --> 01:01:12,556 Speaker 1: can't believe he did it. It's amazing, you know, every 1179 01:01:12,996 --> 01:01:15,876 Speaker 1: many of us have cool ideas for someone to actually 1180 01:01:15,916 --> 01:01:17,996 Speaker 1: do it and do it for twenty years and have 1181 01:01:18,076 --> 01:01:22,236 Speaker 1: it build into the thing that it's become. It's so 1182 01:01:22,436 --> 01:01:27,756 Speaker 1: cool and congratulations great having that vision that come to life. Yeah, 1183 01:01:27,756 --> 01:01:29,996 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really hope for this one 1184 01:01:29,996 --> 01:01:32,596 Speaker 1: and watch to work out well too. Oo. Man, I 1185 01:01:32,636 --> 01:01:36,756 Speaker 1: love you. I love you too, And you know, Rick, 1186 01:01:37,036 --> 01:01:40,796 Speaker 1: just to end it, so grateful that we work together 1187 01:01:40,836 --> 01:01:43,316 Speaker 1: again on this. You know, we didn't work together for 1188 01:01:43,356 --> 01:01:46,556 Speaker 1: a while, and you know, the five of us together 1189 01:01:47,956 --> 01:01:51,436 Speaker 1: all bring something that is so different and what you 1190 01:01:51,476 --> 01:01:55,516 Speaker 1: bring is so crucial to us and has been for 1191 01:01:55,556 --> 01:01:58,876 Speaker 1: every record we've ever made together. And I'm just really 1192 01:01:58,916 --> 01:02:01,636 Speaker 1: grateful for that. Thank you for being there, Thank you 1193 01:02:01,676 --> 01:02:03,756 Speaker 1: for including me. I'd love to be part of the process. 1194 01:02:03,836 --> 01:02:10,356 Speaker 1: Super fun, awesome man, all right, touching. Thanks to Flee 1195 01:02:10,396 --> 01:02:12,156 Speaker 1: for sharing so much about the inner workings of the 1196 01:02:12,196 --> 01:02:14,276 Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili Peppers, and what it was like to 1197 01:02:14,316 --> 01:02:17,476 Speaker 1: reunite with John Freshanta. 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