WEBVTT - Hillary Clinton One-On-One with Katie Couric - PART 1 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.600 Hi everyone, I'm Kitty Kirk, and this is next question. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.800 Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome former Secretary of State Hillary 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.560 Rodham Clinton and Katie Kirk, Award winning journalist and co 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:35.640 founder of Katie Kirk Media. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:36.880 Hi. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.320 Everyone. Wow, what a crowd. It is so great, such 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.479 an honor to be kicking off your book tour. Hillary, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.440 may I call you Hillary? Yes, Katie yes, And so 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:55.720 great to be in my hometown of Washington, DC. So gosh, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.560 I have nineteen pages worth of questions. Don't worry, the 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.360 print is very big, Hillary, and I'll put my glasses 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.720 on in fact. So let's get to it right away. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.760 There's so much news to talk about. Obviously we're going 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.760 to talk about your wonderful book, Something Lost, Something Gained. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.640 But first I want to address sort of recent news events. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.280 The assassination attempt on former President Trump yesterday at his 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.959 golf course in West Palm Beach. It is the second 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.840 attempt on his life in two months. When you heard 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.759 the news, what was your reaction. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.679 Well, it was horror. I mean, this is such a 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:40.280 terrible thing to happen twice in our country in a 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:45.279 relatively short period of time, and it's frightening to see 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:51.520 violence being threatened and used in a political campaign. 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.120 This is what Donald Trump tweeted this afternoon. Quote. The 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.320 rhetoric lies, as exemplified by the far statements made by 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.360 Comrade Kamala Harris during the rigged and highly partisan ABC 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.200 debate and all of the ridiculous lawsuits specifically designed to 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:17.079 inflict damage on Joe's than Kamala's political opponent, me has 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.400 taken politics in our country to a whole new level 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:26.880 of hatred, abuse, and distrust because of this communist left rhetoric. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.440 The bullets are flying and it will only get worse. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:35.120 Exclamation point. Allowing millions of people from places unknown to 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.800 invade and take over our country is an unpardonable sin 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.680 end quote. I imagine you have a lot to say 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:43.080 about that. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.840 Well, you know, it is so regrettable that the former 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:57.600 president would take what is a genuinely terrible event of 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:04.079 someone stalking a former president and current candidate and turn 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.960 it into as he did with that tweet that you 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:15.760 just read, a political attack on his opposition and literally 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:21.880 everybody else who does not support him. And it really 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:27.320 does Katie come down once again to everything everything that 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.920 he talks about is about himself, and he doesn't in 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.480 any way try to reach out to people. He's not 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:40.760 interested in representing all of America and all of Americans, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:44.880 and this is just another really regrettable incident of that. 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:50.160 And I do worry about political violence. I worry about threats. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.760 I worry about what's being said online about many many people, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.760 not just the former president. And he should be doing 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:05.080 if if you were really a leader, he should be 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:08.560 doing what he can to calm the waters, not try 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:13.320 to just continue to throw red meat out there to 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.839 get people riled up. And it is troubling to me, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.440 which is something that I think everybody should. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:26.479 Worry about modeling behavior instead of inciting more violent speech. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.919 While we're talking about that in a sense deleted response 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.320 to a user who asked, why do they want to 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.280 kill Donald Trump, Elon Musk said, and no one is 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:43.240 even trying to assassinate Biden or Kamala. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:51.159 You know, let's just all just promise ourselves that we 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:56.480 can have significant political differences about who we want to 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.800 be our next president, about the policies that we think 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.839 will help our country and the world, and condemn that 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:11.360 kind of rhetoric. It has absolutely no place in American life. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.320 It's interesting because in the prologue of your books, something Lost, 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.200 Something Gained is out tomorrow. By the way, everyone you 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.680 write quote when you start viewing the other party as traders, criminals, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.320 or otherwise illegitimate. For example, if you spread the lie 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.679 for years that our first black president wasn't actually born 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.040 in the United States. Where if you lead locker up 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:40.520 chants at your campaign rallies, politics becomes a blood sport. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.640 Soon enough, actual blood gets spilled. I'm curious who do 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.560 you think. I mean, you're going to say this is 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.120 kind of a no brainer question, but who do you 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:56.279 think is responsible for raising the temperature of our political rhetoric? 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.320 Is it solely one side? Because I noticed Hillary when 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.520 I was reading the book, you mentioned both far right 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.799 and far left echo chambers. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.840 You know, I do think that we've always had strong 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.760 feelings in our politics, going back literally to the very 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.320 beginning of this country. There's nothing new about that. But 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:24.479 I do think that social media has put it on steroids, 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:31.560 and what we see now are opinions being expressed, hate 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.640 being conveyed that would have just stayed within a much 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:43.400 smaller geographic or community setting, which is now literally around 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:49.360 the world. So I believe that this is not just 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:54.800 about political leaders, although they do, and I believe this strongly, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:07:00.280 have a responsibility to try to model responsible leadership. But 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.360 it is about all kinds of people who have found 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.840 homes on the Internet to convey a lot of hatred, 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:14.520 a lot of vitriolic rhetoric, attacking all sorts of people, 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:21.520 from the right, from the left, impugning people's beliefs, denying reality, 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.360 putting forth conspiracy theories. And so it is difficult in 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.680 the environment in which we find ourselves to really have 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.640 a civil conversation about the differences. And there are real differences. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.400 There are differences between the parties, There are differences between 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:46.680 candidates because saying anything just gets totally viral immediately and 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:51.440 then you know you're off on a tangent. So I 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:58.320 do think that political leaders, some journalists, activists, you know, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:03.080 online personality, all of that has contributed to a really 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.360 volatile political situation. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.640 Well, as our friend Kara Swisher calls it, engagement through enragement, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.320 and those are the things that get attention, the most vitriolic, 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.600 most sort of incendiary comments. I want to ask you 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.960 about the current political situation with Joe Biden stepping down 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.440 from running for president. The book was turned in prior 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:34.559 to that, and also prior to Donald Trump's first assassination 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.160 attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania. I know you recorded an epilogue 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.920 though for your audio book, And let me first ask 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:46.320 you about President Biden resigning from the campaign. What do 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.480 you think took him so long to make that decision. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.760 Well, I don't have any inside information, but I think 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.840 number one, he did a really good job as president. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:08.520 He got a lot done, and and and I do 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.440 think he modeled responsible leadership. Uh. He tried very hard 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.760 to you know, demonstrate that he wanted to be president 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.360 for all Americans. He wanted to work with Republicans in 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.800 the Congress. A lot of his major legislation, many of 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:29.640 the benefits like the Infrastructure Bill or the Inflation Reduction Act, 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.280 you know, they're going to go to all Americans, and 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.319 they're going to go to places that don't vote for Democrats, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.640 did not vote for Joe Biden. And and he really 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.680 did have a strong commitment to try to you know, 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:46.000 reach out to people and to to build a much 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:52.000 you know, commer approach toward bringing people together to solve problems. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.679 So if you've had that kind of record and you've 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.439 done a lot as he did, I think that U 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.120 those of us who were around him, you know both. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:08.320 I was around him numerous times. Actually did a you know, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:14.400 fundraiser with him with my husband right here in Virginia 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.760 at Terry mccauliff's house, who I think is here tonight 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:24.079 about like like about a week before that debate. And 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.920 you know, not only did he speak, he was in 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.680 a photo line for an hour, then he went around 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.720 and talked to everybody who was at the fundraiser. So 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.440 when we saw the debate, like every other American, we were, 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:45.800 you know, surprised, shocked even, And I think again, I'm 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.680 thinking that this is how he felt about it. He said, Okay, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.720 I had a terrible debate. Don't know what happened to me, 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.200 but I'm gonna go out and I'm going to campaign 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.240 and all the rest of it. But it just couldn't 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:01.080 be recovered. And I think then people close to him, 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:05.200 that our trusted advisors, you know, began explaining to him 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.400 that it couldn't be recovered, that he couldn't get back 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.360 to a fifty to fifty close race that you know, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.400 he would be able to pull out, and he made 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.800 the right decision. And then immediately after he made the 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.480 decision public, he endorsed Kamala, which was also the right decision. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.640 Let me ask you about that, because I know you 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.960 had a conversation with Kamala Harris that Sunday. What can 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.040 you tell us about that. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.520 Well, you're right that my book had to get to 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.120 the printer before all of this happened. You must have 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.320 been like, damn, gosh, it was it was pretty it 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.920 was pretty agonizing. But I did. If you're an audible 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.880 kind of person, I did record the book, and I 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.760 put an epilogue at the end of the book, or 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:55.800 at the end of the recording. It's not in the book, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.040 but it is in the audio version in which I 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.240 talked about how I felt. I mean, first of all, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.800 I thought Joe Biden made a patriotic decision and it 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:12.600 was commendable, and I was, you know, very grateful to him, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.960 and I thought his endorsement of Kamala was the right thing. 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.559 And I you know that afternoon, Bill and I talked 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.200 to the President, we talked to the Vice president, and 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.680 I say in the epilogue, you know, I wasn't sure 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.240 how I would feel when another woman would be so 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.240 close to breaking that hardest glass ceiling. And I was 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:45.120 thrilled and so excited. And you know, she has run 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:52.000 a near perfect campaign. I mean absolutely from the very beginning. 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.920 So I was, you know, able to express that in 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.640 the audio version that I recorded. But I think the 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.840 book itself tries to talk about the stakes that are 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.200 in the election, whether it's Joe Biden at the top 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.040 of the ticket or Kamala Harris, the stakes are so 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.080 high and they remain the same, and so I'm thrilled 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.840 that people have been so energized by Kamala because we've 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.400 got to turn everybody out to vote in November. 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.880 I know, during the course of that phone call, she 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.120 said to you, we're going to need your help, and 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:32.000 you said. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.000 Whatever you need, whatever you need, and I you know, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.760 I've talked to her several times. I thought her convention 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:46.160 speech was perfect. It was such an incredible introduction of 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:51.680 herself to the country. I also talked with her about 0:13:51.720 --> 0:14:00.240 the debate, which I thought was terrific, And you know, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:05.120 it is very for me. It's very exciting to see 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.400 someone literally just get thrown into the deep end of 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:15.040 the pool, like, oh, now you're running for president and 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.440 to see her just kick herself up and you know, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.440 get prepared to do it. And I love her vice 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.960 presidential candidate Tim Walls, who is such a breath of 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:33.160 fresh air. So I you know, I'm doing events. I'm 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.880 helping in every way that I can, because literally we 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.960 have fifty days left and there's so much at stake 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.560 that I personally am going to do everything that I 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:52.040 can to make sure this election turns out right. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.080 If you want to get smarter every morning with a 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.400 breakdown of the new and fascinating takes on health and 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.800 wellness and pop culture, sign up for our daily newsletter, 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:22.000 Wake Up Call by going to Katiecuric dot com. You know, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.400 at the time when there was so much discussion about 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.360 whether President Biden was going to drop out of the race, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.160 many Democrats were hoping for an open process where a 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.640 number of candidates could have competed for the spot. But you, 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.080 as you said just a minute ago, you were a 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.880 big supporter of Kamala Harris's from the get go. Why 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.600 did you think that was the best path and what 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.119 downside did you see in having a more open process. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.480 First of all. I thought she'd earned it. She has 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:59.440 been the vice president. When people were voting in the primaries, 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.400 they voting for the Biden Harris ticket, not the Biden 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:09.760 question Mark ticket, and I thought that she was best 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.840 positioned to step on to the national stage. I talked 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:20.520 to a lot of people during that time, and nobody 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.320 could describe to me what this process was supposed to be. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:30.840 I mean, I would have been interested. You know. There 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.000 were all kinds of wacky ideas, well, let's just have 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.240 people go around the country like you know. 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:37.520 Do town halls. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.520 Yeah, in town halls, like the Lincoln Douglas debates, I mean, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.840 and you have what a month? I mean, none of 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.080 it made any sense. And the sensible people whose names 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.320 you know were well known because they were already established 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.080 in politics, and the Congress, governors, et cetera. They were 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.640 all looking at it and going, this doesn't sound like 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.040 a good idea to me. And then finally we were 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:07.399 We were running against the most dangerous threat to the 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.959 continuation of American democracy and freedom that we can possibly imagine. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.600 And we don't need any more chaos. We need to 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.159 make a decision and go forward. And if you go 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.480 back and look at the history of you know, contested conventions, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.080 people running against incumbents, it doesn't turn out all that well. 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.280 So I was I was thrilled that, you know, we 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.080 were able to make a very you know, sensible, smart 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:38.000 decision and get to the convention, uh, have a great 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.239 convention and come out of it with a lot of 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.720 uh you know, uh steam behind our candidates. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.720 We'll talk more about politics in a moment, but I 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.000 want to talk about the book, which is quite political 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.359 by the way, political and personal. I know you're a 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.240 huge Joni Mitchell fan. As am I You named Chelsea. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.920 I remember this from I think I interviewed I think 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.000 it was mentioned you in nineteen ninety three, the first 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:08.760 interview with the First Lady. It was Hilary America's first Lady, 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.199 and it was so gendered and cheesy. But that was 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.439 in nineteen ninety three. But anyway, I know that you 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:20.359 named Chelsea after Chelsea Morning. And in your prologue you 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.120 talk about being at rapped attention, as Joni Mitchell sang 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.640 both sides now at the Grammys earlier this year, which 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.560 was quite a moment. It seems to me this book 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.680 is you at a very reflective time in your life. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.080 Tell us a little bit more about where you are 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.359 and how you're looking at life from both sides. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.600 Now, well, how many you know this may be a 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.680 little generational, but how many of you know the Joni 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:51.480 Mitchell song or the Judy Collins cover both sides? Now? 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:57.439 I hope everybody does. I even the young en should 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:58.240 know this song. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.239 Well, if you haven't heard it, please please listen to it. 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:03.399 Do yourselfs a favor. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.600 You know this is like God, you're making me feel 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:06.240 so old. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.040 You haven't heard both sides? Now, go to Spotify. But 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.000 it's like the soundtrack of my life. I mean really, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.800 and it would you when I first heard that song 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:21.480 in my I guess early twenties. You know, I've looked 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.240 at life from both sides now, from win or lose, 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.560 and still somehow I don't know what life means basically 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.879 when you're in your twenties, as I write in the book, yeah, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.440 I mean what does it mean? What does life mean? 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.399 What does life hold for me? And then of course 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:43.040 love the same thing. And I have used that song 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.000 and the lyrics from it literally through the course of 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.359 my life because at different stages in your life, you know, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.640 you do have something lost, something gain, which comes from 0:19:55.640 --> 0:20:01.000 the song you do see life on both sides. You 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:05.600 often see love from both sides. And I just felt 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.600 when I was watching Joni Mitchell sitting in what looked 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.040 like a throne at the Grammys earlier this year. 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.840 Holding what looked like a specter r. 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.359 What looked like a spector with Brandy Carlisle, one of 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:22.080 my all time new favorites. I was just so touched because, 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.000 you know, she survived a brain aneurysm and a lot 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.199 of other things in her life, and here she was, 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.639 you know, doing what she does so uniquely, which is 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:36.760 to you know, write songs that capture your feelings not 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.679 just at one time in your life, but as you 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.439 go through life. So, you know, Katie, when I saw that, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.440 I thought, Okay, you know, I am thinking a lot 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.600 about where I am in my life now, and you 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.159 know I want to you know, reflect on that. So 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.119 it was a real chance for me to take some 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.920 time and look at life, look at love, talk about 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:04.960 my family, my friends, my you know, political and public activities. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.359 In a way that was kind of you know, taking 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:09.960 stock of where I am right now. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.280 And what was important, you know, and sort of letting 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.480 go of things that mattered so much at one point, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.120 but you realize now don't matter at all. In fact, absolutely, 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.919 you write in the book, the old words took on 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.000 new meaning. Gone was the twenty something shaking off the 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.320 rose colored glasses of a love affair and the illusions 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:33.560 of adolescence, and in her place was a matriarch reflecting 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.159 on the hard earned wisdom of a long, eventful life. 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.600 Is part of this coming to terms for you, Hillary, 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:45.280 the fact, as you write you have more yesterday's than tomorrow's. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.560 I think it is. I mean, I feel great. I'm 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.040 going to stay as active and involved as I can 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:58.159 until when I can't. But you do have that sense. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.280 I mean, I have three grandchildren now, and you know, 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.000 life for me is really about how I can make 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:14.080 the future safer, more inviting, you know, richer in meaning 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:18.840 an opportunity for my grandchildren, for children. I dedicate the 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.639 book to my grandchildren and their generation because I want 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.000 them to have the kind of future that they deserve. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.840 And so I do think a lot about tomorrow. Even 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.919 though my tomorrows are fewer than my yesterday's. I think about, Okay, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.600 what are we going to do? Every single day? To 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.080 try to make the world more peaceful, to try to 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.520 end conflicts, to try to end the divisions in our country. 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.600 What can we do and what role, you know, can 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.240 I play in trying to get that done? 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:54.040 The book opens the book. If you all clap after 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.280 every answer, I'm going to run out of time. The 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:00.280 book opens on the afternoon of May thirtieth time, twenty 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:02.679 twenty four, when you and all of America got the 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:06.320 news that former President Donald Trump had been convicted of 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:10.159 thirty four felonies related to election fraud in twenty sixty 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:16.320 in twenty sixteen. So can you set the scene for us, Hillary, 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:21.399 Where were you described that moment at all, the intense 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.280 feelings that stirred up in you. 0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.840 Well, it was, as you said, late May, and I 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.840 was finishing edits on the book, and I was actually 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.560 here in Washington at my house here, and I was 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.760 working on the edits, and I needed to really concentrate 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.040 because I had a limited period of time to get 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.159 these edits done. And then I had events that I 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.200 had to go to, and so I took my phone 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.000 and you know, I put it on mute and I 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.280 turned it upside down. So I had no idea what 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.919 was going on in the world. And I was, you know, 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:58.120 finally finishing the parts that I was trying to edit, 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.680 and you know, I picked it up, see what's going 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.199 on and turned it on and like my phone is 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.440 blowing up. I mean, honest to goodness, people I hadn't 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.639 heard from in years are you know, texting and emailing me, 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.080 and they are all saying the same thing. Can you 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.400 believe what just happened? And of course I quickly read 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:21.280 that he had been convicted of thirty four felony accounts 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:25.679 for interfering in the twenty sixteen election, because that's what 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:30.479 that trial was about. Hush money was a means to 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:36.680 prevent information from being made public that might have affected 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.720 the vote. So it was election interference. And you know, 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.639 when you've watched his life and when you've tried to 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:51.600 explain how he's never been held accountable for the bankruptcies 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.920 in business and for so much else that happened before 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.000 he ever went into politics, you know, to see that 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:03.000 a jury of his peers in the place he grew 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.879 up in New York had found him guilty was you know, 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.600 very reassuring to me about our system. And I did 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.840 get you know, a little bit teary eyed because I thought, Wow, 0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.119 no one is above the law, no matter what the 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:23.119 United States Supreme Court says, no one is above the law. 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:36.879 And and so for me, I mean, you know, look, 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.560 I mean, I you know, I was accused of a 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:40.399 million things. 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.359 I'll probably come up with more tomorrow. I mean, it 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.359 just never ends. And you know, went through, you know, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.479 all the process, and thankfully, guess what, I'd never had 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.840 done anything that amounted to any kind of uh, you know, 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.680 case that could be made because there was nothing there. 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:59.119 And so for me to see that finally he was 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.760 being held account was very reassuring it. And you know, 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.120 obviously people started sending me memes and you know. 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:10.800 A lot of Hillary laughing memes, right, a lot of 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:11.919 very funny memes. 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:12.680 Yeah. 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.200 But you know, I know that you confess to feeling 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:21.639 a soup song of schadenfreud. Yes, but you also felt 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:25.880 relief as you just said that he would be held accountable. 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:30.760 But will he be because as you know, Judge Mrchon 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.280 recently delayed his sentencing to after the election. You mentioned 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:39.040 the Supreme Court saying granting him immunity. Does it feel 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.800 like he'll never truly be held accountable at times to you. 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:47.199 Well, I think that's a risk. I do think it 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:51.239 depends upon the outcome of the election. Part of the 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:58.400 reason why he is so intense about this election is 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:03.239 because his free him is at stake. And you know, 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.240 the the case in New York, Uh, the uh losing 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:11.920 the defamation case, also in New York, his company being 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.800 held criminally liable also in New York. 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:15.479 Uh. 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:20.359 There's a pattern here that finally people are focused on 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.760 that he's a person who you know, cuts corners all 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.879 the time, believes he's above the law, gets to you know, 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:33.520 try to point fingers at everybody else. So honestly, Katie, 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:39.760 it depends upon the election. And it is so shocking 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:46.040 to me. How you know the judge in Florida has 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:50.919 literally turned herself into a pretzel trying to find a 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.800