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Speaker 2: Well, there's some big differences there, right, So Gunna pleads

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Speaker 2: Right when they asked Jeffrey to do that, Jeffrey pushed back, Right, Jeffrey,

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Speaker 2: he could have taken a negotiated plea and he could have.

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Speaker 2: that non negotiated plea, right, the blind plea, he had

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Speaker 1: But like Bro was just saying, yeah, right, there's a

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Speaker 1: But like you said, there's some differences as it pertains

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are there are those differences like I

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Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the truth is never disrespect and I

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Speaker 1: And that's why when I stand out on the hill,

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying what it is is what

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Speaker 1: Not because you sat next to them two years Is

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Speaker 1: He's saying, basically, yo, y'all a matt at Thug. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: And here here's another difference that you know for on

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Speaker 3: Right, there's who do I tell on? If I'm Thug? Like,

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Speaker 1: But all of these dudes can kind of implicate me

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Speaker 2: The other thing is, I don't think Thug really had

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Speaker 2: The target was on his back. Well, on gunn Is back.

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Speaker 1: Nothing to get him to cooperate. That's why they went

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Speaker 2: He didn't cooperate at all.

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Speaker 2: No, he signed what he had to sign to get

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Speaker 1: So as the defense team over there for yat Gotti,

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Speaker 2: I'm not happy that he said it, but you know what,

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Speaker 2: the jury understood. So what Ghanna did didn't hurt us

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Speaker 2: It's true. Yeah, I'm saying it because it's true. Right,

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Speaker 1: And you played in between the whistles, so you know,

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Speaker 2: Look that entire trial, that two year trial. Nothing Gunna

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Speaker 3: It didn't.

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Speaker 2: So do you think thug should help their public opinion?

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Speaker 3: Do you think thugs should not be mad at Gunna?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm not going to tell anyone how they should feel.

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Speaker 2: You may not like that answer, but that's where I'm

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Speaker 2: going to stay. Yeah. No, I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 3: Right, right, I respect it.

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Speaker 2: That's an age thing, man. I've learned that. I don't

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Speaker 2: Probably fifteen more years more? What am I that old?

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Speaker 3: Look at this you've been doing it thirty. That's forty

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what else would I do?

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Speaker 1: Right, So talk to the people about like when you

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Speaker 3: Was that the point when they got him off the case?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, And listen, Okay, let's let's get get back

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Speaker 2: It's something I view it as something holy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's said sacra saint means it's regarded as

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Speaker 2: Just not true. That's just not true. But he was indignant.

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Speaker 2: Judge Glanville was indignant that someone would tell us what

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Speaker 1: This was almost like a king. He was almost acting

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Speaker 2: Like again. And I don't know where that comes from,

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Speaker 2: So if Jeffrey wanted Brian there to represent him, the

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Speaker 3: But that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean it has to be something to that, because

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's true. I mean, look, if I

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Speaker 1: And that is true because Brad steel Gain, his record

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Speaker 3: What's craziness.

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Speaker 2: I don't think people that aren't in the legal field,

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Speaker 2: Steele's reputation for integrity, honesty, respect for the system. That

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Speaker 3: That's who he is exactly, and it's not required.

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Speaker 2: Not required. He has tremendous respect for the judicial system,

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Speaker 2: even look. I practiced law for almost thirty years. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is saved.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I was so upset about what was saying.

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Speaker 1: You know, me and Brian Steell talked during the try

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Speaker 2: Trying to act like it. That's what was their whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But there was some big beef between rich homy Kwan.

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Speaker 1: I really wish we could get that together off of Luchi.

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Speaker 1: Luchi and Thug situation was unfortunate, right, they had a

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Speaker 1: a mean runs fool. Yeah, miss miss is a mean word.

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Speaker 1: Though miss is a strong word.

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Speaker 7: I'd be lying to set because I was gonna try

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Speaker 3: I can't lie and deny it.

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Speaker 7: I'm like the vibe like uncomparable, Like can't replay it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bu the sound. You know, it's crazy, y'all.

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Speaker 1: Whole situation crazy because I look at y'all and I

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Speaker 1: look at Boost and Webbing, right, you kind of went

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Speaker 1: and it was like we still partners, we still lost,

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Speaker 1: st eye, right, It's good to hear you say that

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Speaker 1: to be alive. Yeah, And Ritron has passed since.

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Speaker 2: And we've lost too many this year, right for sure?

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Speaker 3: For sure? For sure. So they take brand Still to jail, and.

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Speaker 1: As you speak about his integrity, I think it shines

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, yeah, what happened is the Georgia

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Speaker 2: Criminal Defense Lawyers Association called GAKTEL. They have this we

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Speaker 2: and they do that. They'll do that for anyone, not

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Speaker 2: we had Ashley Merchant, who's the president of GATTEL. She's

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Speaker 2: it all up as far as he's ruling. He'd confused

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Speaker 8: Just for the record, is so is the criminal contempt?

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Speaker 8: Is it criminal contempt that you held him in? Yes,

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Speaker 9: I know I'm with criminal contempt. I told him what

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Speaker 9: that's criminal contempt. So I've asked him several times, please

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Speaker 9: just tell me who it is that told you that.

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Speaker 9: I didn't ask or inquire about anything that was said.

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Speaker 9: I just want to know who it was, because he's

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Speaker 8: So and Judge, since it is a criminal contempt, he

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Speaker 9: List, and contemp criminal contempt is different. It is on

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Speaker 9: the spot. So he's gotten the due process he's going

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Speaker 2: I told him.

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Speaker 9: Plus he's had all day to tell me who it

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Speaker 9: I'm going to disagree with you, but.

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Speaker 8: Well, and Judge, just just for the record, it's that's direct.

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Speaker 8: So what you're holding him in is a direct criminal contempt.

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Speaker 8: it needs to be held immediately. And the problem is

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Speaker 8: if you hold him in direct criminal contempt. As you're

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Speaker 8: saying that you did. You are a witness to that proceeding,

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Speaker 8: and so it has to be referred to another judge.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't require rikisal.

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Speaker 8: You actually have to sue as Sponte, send it to

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Speaker 8: Show me the case law says that Miss Merchant Innry McCarthy.

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Speaker 8: It's one fifty two Georgia App. Three ninety nine, And Judge,

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Speaker 8: I'm not the only one here. There's quite a few

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Speaker 8: There's about twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 9: The challenge is stace allocations, as I told you, so

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Speaker 9: you can, like I said, since you are representing that spine.

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Speaker 9: He told us that. Mister Steele told us that anybody else,

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Speaker 9: because I have security concerns as well, and we have

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Speaker 8: Judge for security purposes. They're all attorneys, they're all members

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Speaker 9: Still would have to be searched and still would have

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Speaker 8: Also there's room in the jury box, and then there's

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Speaker 9: I don't want them in my jury box.

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Speaker 8: Okay, now I understand, Nay. One additional attorney come in

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Speaker 3: He is the chair of the strikeforce.

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Speaker 8: I'm the president of the Georgia Association of Defense Lawyers

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Speaker 3: Co council.

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Speaker 9: I distinguish your two cases that you've given me.

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Speaker 8: That's far So those were only the initial two.

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Speaker 3: I had a couple others go ahead as well.

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Speaker 8: Yes, so Ramirez versus State, it's seventy nine Georgia thirteen,

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Speaker 9: It also you said two seventy nine Georgia when I'm

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Speaker 8: Thousand and five case, and it defines direct contempt and

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Speaker 9: It is true the direct summary contempt which arises in

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Speaker 9: the preservation of order, and Decormley Court is exempt from

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Speaker 3: So I believe that mister Steele's.

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Speaker 9: He can follow whatever emotions, but his particular actions in

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Speaker 9: this case. I just want to know who told him this,

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Speaker 9: That's all. I'm not asking to a release or otherwise

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Speaker 8: And Judge, so that's what you want, But that does

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Speaker 5: Your desire for.

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Speaker 8: Him to answer your question does not mean that you

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Speaker 9: So you can come into court, Miss Merton, and not

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Speaker 8: And it's our position. If we had a hearing, we

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Speaker 8: First of all, the Court accused him of eavesdropping.

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Speaker 2: That is a crime.

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Speaker 8: He is a Fifth Amendment privilege against answering those questions.

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Speaker 8: Rule one point six protects all confidential information that is

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Speaker 3: But we don't even need to.

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Speaker 8: Get there, because he can't be held in contempt and

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Speaker 8: if you aren't part of them by nature.

439
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 3: Okay, you have to be involved.

440
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 8: Therefore you have to be a witness.

441
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 2: So you are a witness.

442
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: You cannot also see.

443
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 9: But you got the informations. But here's the thing, you

444
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 9: got the information allegedly from an improper methodology. I'm not

445
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 9: saying that he eavesdrop, okay, and just I say that

446
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 9: one of the things is one of the things is

447
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 9: he It's either one of two ways.

448
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: So you know, Ashley had to get them there and

449
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: straighten them out. It was I have to tell you,

450
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, being relatively new to criminal law just over

451
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: the past three years or so, the criminal defense bar,

452
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: criminal defense lawyers, the tightness of this group, the camaraderie,

453
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: the respect, the teamwork. I haven't seen that in the

454
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: areas of law I've practiced in before, and it is

455
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: really special and it was all brought home to me

456
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: on that day. That's why we took a picture outside

457
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: on the courthouse steps. A lot of us did because

458
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: it was so great to see. And we talk about

459
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: our criminal defense brothers and sisters, because that's kind of

460
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: how we feel about each other. If I know, if

461
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: I need anything, any help with anything, I can go

462
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: and ask a question. I'm going to get ten people

463
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: to help me out. That's why I'm a little more

464
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: comfortable going out on my own. I got these people.

465
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: I like the camaraderie too. Like to see like, oh

466
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: that's what I expected.

467
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 2: You mess with us. I don't want to say it's

468
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 2: like the Marines. We used to joke in college about,

469
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: like you mess with some marine kid, you're gonna get

470
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: like one hundred Marines around here. And you mess with

471
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: a criminal defense lawyer, like what happened to Brian Steele

472
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be there.

473
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: For it, and they're going to be filing paperwork to

474
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: paper works, go be all kind of stuff going on.

475
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: Well, you don't mess with us unless you got I mean,

476
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: you better, you better have your shit together. Seriously, we

477
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: can talk Wooty.

478
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you like about low Wooding?

479
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: You know, I like who Wooty is now? I like

480
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: who Wooty is now? I like that. Of course, he's

481
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: out there living his best life. Right, you can't deny that. Right,

482
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: and he's making all he can out of his fifteen

483
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: minutes of fame. And you know what, this is America.

484
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: More power to him for that. But he's not just

485
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 2: doing that. I mean, and I don't think this is bullshit.

486
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: People may think it's bullshit. I don't think it's bullshit

487
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 2: because I've I've talked to him and I've seen him.

488
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 2: He's going to church, he's getting baptized. I think that's real. Yeah,

489
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: I think that's real. I've looked that man in the

490
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: eye is now. He could disappoint me. People have disappointed

491
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: me before, but I think that's real. And I see

492
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: him talking to young men staying saying, don't do this shit.

493
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: Respect your elders. He's out there in the community doing that,

494
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: so I respect that too. So that's that's respect for that, right.

495
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

496
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: No, I mean, do you think it's word holding and

497
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: weight over that way he's saying that that, I mean

498
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: his neighborhood. I don't know if it seems like from

499
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: the outside looking in, it seems like he can move

500
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: around his neighborhood freely and Okay.

501
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: See he's I mean, he's not hiding.

502
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about.

503
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, again, we talked about how Judge Glanville wouldn't

504
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: allow him to testify on his own terms because for him, again,

505
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: it felt like he wasn't corroborating what the state had

506
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: put forward.

507
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: Right.

508
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: But I just I don't know, man, I wonder we

509
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: talked about montok and the immunity, So I just want

510
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 1: to kind of talk about how they dangled the immunity.

511
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: Oh lord, the testy.

512
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: Let me explain it, because I think a lot of

513
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 2: people don't understand that immunity isn't so much dangled. They

514
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: throw that shit at you and you don't have a choice.

515
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: You don't ask for it, seriously, seriously, you don't ask

516
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: for it. Woody didn't ask for immunity. No, they're and

517
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: whoever whoever else got stuck with that. They just yeah,

518
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: you don't ask for that, they just give it to you.

519
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: It's not a gift. I shouldn't say, give it to you.

520
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: It's like a giant pile of ship and they throw

521
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: it at you. You don't ask for it, and it

522
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 2: sticks to you and you can't say no, I'm cool,

523
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: I don't want immunity.

524
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 5: You know that.

525
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: That's the way it works. That's not the way people

526
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: need to know that. It's not the way it works.

527
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that immunity is like the franchise

528
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: tag in football with.

529
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. They're like, boom,

530
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: you have immunity, and you're like, well, damn, I want

531
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: to take the fifth I don't want to testify. No,

532
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: fuck you, sorry, but we're going to give you immunity.

533
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: And they don't have a choice. So it's not like

534
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: Woody's like, well, you give me immunity, I'll testify. That's

535
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: not what happened. Yeah, So that's the that's the truth.

536
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: That's the way immunity works. That's the way immunity works.

537
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: It's this universal agition.

538
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's universal, man, I didn't know you see

539
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: people now, I'm sure there's times that some people may say,

540
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: but this wasn't requested by what you're.

541
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: Saying, Wooded. Wow, so that kind of changes things. Right,

542
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: So you're saying, okay, but Woody agreed to testify.

543
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: No, he had no choice. Well okay, let me explain,

544
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: all right. They presented him, they put immunity, that's say,

545
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: given immunity. They put immunity on him. So he had

546
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: a choice at that point. He did have a choice

547
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: testify or because he has immunity, you can't take the

548
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: fifth testify or go to jail. And you're gonna sit

549
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: in jail maybe until this trial is over.

550
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: That's a hell of a trick, right, that's what they do.

551
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: So they strip immunity when they put it on you.

552
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: It strips your Fifth Amendment rights away. Yeah, but doesn't

553
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: seem right, does it. But that's the law.

554
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, bro. You just blew me. You

555
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: just blew my mind with that, bro, Just damn.

556
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: So I want people to watch that when you see

557
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: someone getting the immunity, your folks should listen. That's not

558
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: necessarily because they asked for it sometimes as a matter

559
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: of fact, that they don't do that shit to me.

560
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't want your immunity. I want to take the fifth.

561
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: So if Woody didn't have immunity, what happens with this case?

562
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: If he didn't have immunity, then he could still testify.

563
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: But the reality is he doesn't want to testify the

564
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: stuff that could get him in trouble, so he's going

565
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: to take the fifth. So if he didn't have immunity,

566
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: he would take the fifth. Now what would happen with

567
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: this case? He was such a good witness for us,

568
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that we'd get the

569
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: same result without being a cola, honestly, because I'd like

570
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: to think we would, because I'd like to think the dream.

571
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: But Kenneth Copeland did the best job of any witness

572
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: of explaining why he lied to the cops, how he

573
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: lied to the cops, the way he about it, the reasoning,

574
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: all of that, so the jury could understand. Okay, so

575
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: when you play those videos of interrogation videos, right, I

576
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: know now what's going on there? That's just someone looking

577
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 2: to stay.

578
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: At He kind of gave him a storyline. He he

579
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: so what would y'all defense would have been had he

580
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: not presented it such He kind of presented his position

581
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: the way you presented that you cannot fix this. He

582
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: with the I'm finessing them just because I don't want

583
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: to go to jail. What would have been y'all defense

584
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: had he not took that position?

585
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: All the material that we had that showed he was

586
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: lying in those interrogation videos, yea, you know, all the

587
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: lies about where he.

588
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: Was, what he was doing.

589
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: That well discovery Again, he was truthful on the stand,

590
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: But some of those things he told the cops.

591
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 10: That's what I'm speaking some of those things the cops about. Oh,

592
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 10: we all met up at McDonald's and we got McDonald's.

593
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 10: This guy hopped in my car and said, those guys

594
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 10: just shot nut. Those were all lies.

595
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: The stuff about cars, how that happened, That was a lie.

596
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: He was the one that was in the Infinity, you know,

597
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: not these other guys. The Infinity was written. Sorry, the

598
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: Infinity was rented by Thug to help out Wooty. Wooty's

599
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: the guy in the Infinity. He's putting all these other

600
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: guys in the Infinity. I mean, you guys were talking

601
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: about why are you selling out your brother?

602
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 11: Right?

603
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: Why are you selling out your man? And it's just wrong, right?

604
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: And I took I mean I took that out on

605
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: some of the witnesses, right. I can't remember who it was.

606
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it was Muntunk, somebody else that I'm like,

607
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: I told that guy. I'm like, you went to the

608
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: cops and you lied on Diamante, You lied on him?

609
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: Why would you do that? And whoever that and I'm

610
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: sorry it's been a while, but whoever that was said,

611
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. He showed nothing but love. Wow,

612
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, he showed me nothing to love. But we

613
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: had all kinds of things to use in the cross

614
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: examination of Woody that we would have torn him up.

615
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to do.

616
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Did you did you feel like we're going to get

617
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: the same version of him? Like we're going to get

618
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: a difficult not want to answer questions because again, I

619
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: guess because of the way you guys treated him when

620
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: he spoke with y'all, it wasn't the.

621
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Like he would get him certain looks and shit, just

622
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: like what's so with you? Motherfucker?

623
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 2: Back up? Like you stinking shit? He was doing our

624
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: kind of wild I mean I wasn't wild about that.

625
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: Yeah he was going, and so I was wondering, is

626
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: he put pulling too much?

627
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Is how the jury's was, how the jury was receiving

628
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: some of his antics.

629
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe in all aspects of life, you

630
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: should treat people with respect most if you can. And

631
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: so I mean I wasn't happy with some of his

632
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: antics out there on the stand.

633
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: What you know, but you would you would have tore

634
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: him up though, if if you had to cross examined.

635
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: But you know what, my version of tearing up people

636
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: say comes across as like disappointed dad. But that's the

637
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: closest I can get to like.

638
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it resonates because it gave buy an

639
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: undealt what a disappointed day. I mean, it's you got

640
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: to resonate with the jury.

641
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and Max tore some people apart. Yeah he

642
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: really did.

643
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

644
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Max is a bulldog, so he did a good job

645
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: of that. But but I was prepared to rip Kenneth

646
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: Copeland apart if he'd have gotten up there and told

647
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: the same lives on the stand that he told told

648
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: to the cops. Because it's not my job to look

649
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: after Kenneth Copeland. He's on the stand. My job. My

650
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: job is to protect Diamante, to protect yat.

651
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: Does yet gott he look at Woody like a snitch.

652
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: You have to ask him that. I'll let you ask

653
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: him that because hopefully he'll be out.

654
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, he'll be out.

655
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna just want I just wondering how

656
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: to because I'm wondering if you know. I mean, he

657
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: clearly said a bunch of It's just it's it's a crazy.

658
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's I'm not going to say how you've

659
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: used him, but it's like what you were talking about earlier.

660
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: You got a guy that's part of your circle and

661
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: you think as a friend or or whatever you know,

662
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: has some degree of loyalty or whatever it is, and

663
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: then they go to the police and tell all that bullshit.

664
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you gonna feel right now? I'm

665
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: not gonna feel. I was actually told on, so I don't.

666
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: That's why That's why I be by myself. Yes, somebody

667
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: that I helped for a long time set me up

668
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: and put me in a situation where I was like, damn,

669
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: you don't crush me and put me in.

670
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: This leg I mean, you look at you. Look at

671
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: these guys. They were in jail from May of twenty

672
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: two until fall of twenty four because a bunch of

673
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: folks got out there and told lies.

674
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, that's what he was done to me.

675
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: I get it done to me, and I ended up

676
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: having to bite the bullet because he he pulled up

677
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: and give me a bunch of money, you know. But

678
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: he ended up getting the money from the police.

679
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying.

680
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: So it's like when they give me I got all

681
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: this money, I'm saying, dude, owe me some money. He

682
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: just paid me the money. I ain't gave him nothing.

683
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: They trying to act like I gave him something. You

684
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

685
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: They planned me to the I ain't gave the boy nothing.

686
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: He just pulled up. But they didn't have no WY yet.

687
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: It was a crazy case, man like he what is

688
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: a confidential informer?

689
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: Do you know that?

690
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

691
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Do they have to have credentials? Is a snitch and

692
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: a c I different I'm trying to give the public.

693
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 11: You know what.

694
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't use the word snitch.

695
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm just so I guess I'm not I guess I'm

696
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: using in the traditional.

697
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: And I think if he used the traditional term snitch,

698
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: it's someone who was involved in something or pretended to

699
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: be involved in something, or lied about being involved in something,

700
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: and then they go to the cops and they start talking.

701
00:33:59,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 9: Right.

702
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: A CI is someone who kind of enters a situation

703
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: already cooperating. Right, they were already cooperating.

704
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: With the police, and they have credentials, They have.

705
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: The credentials, and they're in there gathering intelligence for law enforcement. Right.

706
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: And the worst part about a CI is I think

707
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: not just it's not just that they're doing that, but

708
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: a lot of times I think they're setting people up deceptive. Yes,

709
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: that's a little bit not legally, but the way we

710
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: all think about it, it's a little bit of going

711
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: on there, and and it's just it's just it's just

712
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: a little different.

713
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Cause that's what I was arguing in my cases, Like

714
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: I have a guy by the name of Rich McGee

715
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: out of Tennessee and a heavy hitter, and I'm trying

716
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: to argue the fact that bro, like he bugged me,

717
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: Like this dude was bugging me, bothering me, like I

718
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: ain't even.

719
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes these cis wire going there push people to

720
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: do shit they wouldn't be doing otherwise. I was like, right,

721
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: because they want to get that that like that that

722
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: that that money basically spend they use that to get

723
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: a better deal here, get a better deal there. That's

724
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: why it's like, look, look, where's your camera right there? Yes,

725
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up, Shut the funk off facts. Don't

726
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: talk to the police. It's not gonna help you.

727
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: Okay, let people like the talking.

728
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 2: We'll talk. You're never ever gonna talk your way out

729
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: of something by talking to the police. And they're gonna

730
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: take your words and they're gonna twist them and they're

731
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: gonna place stuff out of context, and they do it

732
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: all the time.

733
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: They got mad at me on the scene when they

734
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: when they did this whole bust thing. Would have had

735
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: this money on me from this dude, and they got

736
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: upset with me because I wouldn't admit to what they

737
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: were Like. They pulled detectives up on the scene and

738
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: open the door. Look, man, it ain't that sick. Just

739
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: tell me what, bro I don't know what you're talking about.

740
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: He owe me some money. I ain't gave him nothing.

741
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: They won't even meet to like admitted.

742
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, what are you what are you saying?

743
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: They even, bro, this was so crazy. They even shut

744
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: the doors and cut the heat on. It was the

745
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: summertime and I'm sitting in there. This was at the

746
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: George Floyd or somebody had that. I can't remember who

747
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: it was, but I was sitting there like, and I'm

748
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: looking at the cameras like, bro, if something happened to me,

749
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: like what my family gonna do? Like they mad at

750
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: me because they think that I made some big sale

751
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: up here at this store. By the time they get me,

752
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: I got the money from this dude, and I'm just like, Bro,

753
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: this ain't what y'all saying it is.

754
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. They ended up taking me

755
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 3: down for that.

756
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this ship was craziness, bron So, yeah, but I

757
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: want to get back to this immunity.

758
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: Blew that this is this is it's crazy, right. So

759
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: they strip your Fifth Amendment rights away. They give you

760
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: immunity and you you can either testify or you can

761
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: sit in jail.

762
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: That your what qualifies you to get immunity.

763
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: The state basically files and this is by the way,

764
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: defensive defense attorneys are not involved in this okay. At all,

765
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: the state files something with the judge that basically says,

766
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: here are the reasons we need to give this guy immunity,

767
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: Please give them immunity, and then the judge boom. Are

768
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: you saying, we don't even get that motion, that paper

769
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: that the prosecution files and the judge's order till like later.

770
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: We don't see it ahead of time.

771
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: If I'm keeping my intellectual honesty, right, I don't know

772
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: if I know any of my I don't know if

773
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: I know a lot.

774
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: Of people that will go to jail for years, you see,

775
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: And that's what that's without and not tell on.

776
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: Me, right, you know what I'm saying, And that's what

777
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Kenneth was looking at.

778
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: I've already been told on so I know all lead

779
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: to a plan. They they if it gets strong enough,

780
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: they gonna tell it. Not everybody, because this real one's

781
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: out there, but there's a high percentage manage aught it down, now, you.

782
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.

783
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: So I just, man, it almost feels like you're telling

784
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: me that Woody isn't a traditional snitch that people is,

785
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: because if they snatch your immunity, I can't co sign.

786
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: Look, if you want to call him a snitch for

787
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: the stuff he did in twenty fifteen when he was

788
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: talking to the right.

789
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he get that.

790
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: I get that, But I don't think you can call

791
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: him a snitch for being on the stand and having

792
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: I keep saying, it's not really no choice. It's his

793
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: choice is jail or testify. That's it. That's it. And

794
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: when they and they showed him what, they showed him

795
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: what jail would be like. They gave him a sneak preview.

796
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: The county in a in a terrible, terrible condition, flies

797
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: all over his food, the toilet backed up, no clean water.

798
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's and they're like, Okay, you don't want

799
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: to testify it, we'll give you a taste of it.

800
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Did any of the other people that sim believe, right,

801
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: did any of the other people that testify, Did they

802
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: have the same type?

803
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: There were a few others that had immunity as well,

804
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna have trouble recallingach ones. But some of

805
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: them did have Yeah, some of them had it. They

806
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: had no choice, what the fuck?

807
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I never really heard of utilizing immunity really

808
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: now that I think about it. Like all the cases

809
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: that I know from people all my entire life, I've

810
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: never heard the term immunity be used, so.

811
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: You know what it is. But now that you know

812
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: about it and how it works, I bet you're gonna

813
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: see it all the time. I mean you'll recognize it, right,

814
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: and you'll say, damns, like when that guy testifying because

815
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: he wanted to that guy's testifying because they threw immunity on.

816
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's rocking hard place type of thing.

817
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Totally, that's the right rock in hard place. Whoa yeah,

818
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: whoa yeah?

819
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: And they were how many years would they offer him

820
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: until the entire trial? Three four, five, six years?

821
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: Judge Glenville told him he was gonna sit there till

822
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: not just this first Yseul trial was over, but until

823
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: the next, till every defendant had been tried or played out?

824
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 5: Was it so?

825
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: After the secret meeting to shake your trust for the

826
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: court system?

827
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: It not for the court system. It shook my trust

828
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: in Judge Glanville, which was already on shaky ground to

829
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: begin with, right, It really did. Wow again, And I'll

830
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: say here what I said before. I mean, I like

831
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: Judge Glanville. I've always respected Judge Glanville, and I don't

832
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: know what the hell happened in this case. I really don't.

833
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

834
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 3: Did he retire?

835
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: No, No, he's still serving his term.

836
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 3: What about the prosecution, I mean.

837
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: They're still they still got their jobs.

838
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 5: D A.

839
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: Willis. Fannie Willis came out in support of her prosecutors

840
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: when all this was over. Regrets.

841
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: Was it worth all the trouble?

842
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 11: It's always worth the trouble. The reality is, as you know,

843
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 11: I have aggressively prosecuted gang violence and there is no

844
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 11: one above up below the law.

845
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis says, though she did

846
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: not agree on a deal for a plea with attorneys

847
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 4: for Jeffrey Williams, better known as megastar hip hop artist

848
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: Young Thug, she's choosing not to publicly voice whether she

849
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: agrees or disagrees with the sentence Fulton Superit Court Judge

850
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: page REYES.

851
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: Whittaker.

852
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 11: Sentencing was in the hands of Judge Whittaker.

853
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 4: Handed down after Williams entered a non negotiated plea in

854
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: which he pled guilty that every charge he faced in

855
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 4: the wisl case except for two to which he pled

856
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: nolo contendre or no contests, But she says is similar

857
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 4: to a guilty plea, except when it comes to civil lawsuits.

858
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 4: You poured a lot of resources, took a lot of

859
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 4: flack on this case.

860
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 11: You shouldn't be the district attorney if you're not willing

861
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 11: to take flack. The reality is the world has been

862
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 11: caught up with one defendant, but we indicted twenty eight defendants.

863
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 11: Fourteen of those defendants are now disposed of cases. We

864
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 11: have fourteen more defendants to go, and so we are

865
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 11: going to continue to pursue justice in.

866
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: That case as well.

867
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 4: It says, though young Thug exited the Fulton County jail

868
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 4: soon after his plea in a car driven by one

869
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 4: of his attorneys, he had already done us stantial amount

870
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: of time in jail while awaiting or going through his trial.

871
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 11: He's been in jail almost three years, so that is

872
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 11: not a walk in the park.

873
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: She says. There is room for accountability in the complicated

874
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: sentence involving five years commuted to time serve, followed by

875
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: fifteen years probation to be followed by a quote backloaded

876
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 4: twenty year prison term which will also be commuted to

877
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 4: time served if he successfully completes the probation, which is

878
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: loaded with lots of special conditions.

879
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 11: Hope springs eternal that he will do well, because if not,

880
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 11: he's going to land himself in prison for another twenty years.

881
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: The DA says video from gang murder cases unrelated to

882
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 4: Williams we reported on last week underscores that gangs are

883
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: a major driver of crime here.

884
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: And if you could see the news interviews, she'll tell

885
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: you that this was a big win. But you know

886
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: that's the old declare victory and go home right when

887
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: you're losing.

888
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: Right, what do you say in response to some of

889
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: the media press runs this she has done.

890
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. She's gotten out there and she's

891
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: talked about how since she's going after YISEL and after

892
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: YFN that the crime rate has dropped in Atlanta. And

893
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the same thing that I've told some

894
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: other folks that have asked me about it. Crime is

895
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: down throughout virtually every metropolitan area in the US. Every

896
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: single one, crime is down since twenty twenty two. You

897
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: can look at these aren't statistics some I just made up.

898
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: These are from like the what is it, the Major

899
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: Cities Chiefs Association. I mean, they've got these stats out.

900
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: You can find them on Google. It's down everywhere. So

901
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: when Fannie Willis, when da Willis comes out and says,

902
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: because of what I've done, crime is down, I mean,

903
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: I just say, she's the rooster that crowed in the

904
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: morning because she thinks she made the sun rise.

905
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 5: You know.

906
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: Now, one of her responses to me has been where

907
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: does he live? In other words, I'm not down on

908
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Cleveland Act. You come, not down dealing with it, and

909
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: I shouldn't speak to right. I'm up in I'm up

910
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: in Dumbwooie, Sandy Springs. I'm not dealing with this crime

911
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: and this stuff. So she thinks I have no place

912
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: presumably I have no place to speak on this. But

913
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't think Fannie Willis is leaving

914
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: on living on Cleveland Avenue either.

915
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: That's a good point, that's a great point. Matter of fact,

916
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: we know she's not with some of the with some

917
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: of the decisions she's made. It wouldn't be smart to

918
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: live in the neighborhood, you know, especially on Cleveland.

919
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: And look, you know, I admire efforts to reduce crime,

920
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: to make to make these parts of town that are

921
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 2: crime ridden safer for people. Kids shouldn't be getting shot

922
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: on their home because of a drive by. Nobody should

923
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: be getting shot because of the stuff. I mean, I

924
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: have a radical view on guns. I mean I'd take

925
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: everybody's guns and melt them down at throw up to me.

926
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: I don't have that choice, But anyway, I get it.

927
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: That's why I'm unelectable. But anyway, anyway, I admire that stuff.

928
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: But are the millions and millions and millions of dollars

929
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: that were spent on this unsuccessful? Wise if those would

930
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: have been for other purposes, I think the streets would

931
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: be better off now, and I think crime would be lower.

932
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: I think these funds were misspent.

933
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 3: Wow, that's my view point. That is a great point.

934
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: I think for her to be so vocal at the

935
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: beginning and then to come up missing in the court

936
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: room process? Is that normal for the DA for someone

937
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: of that statue to not be involved in the try?

938
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: When was this case brought twenty twenty two? Right? When

939
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: was the murder of Donovan Thomas twenty fifteen? January of

940
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. They've had these names of people that they

941
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: thought had did this for six years before they brought

942
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: this case, right, But why did they wait to bring it?

943
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: It's because the previous DA Paul Howard knew that their

944
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: witnesses were not credible, it shouldn't be brought. So he

945
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: didn't bring this case. Why because it's a bullshit case.

946
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: So do you think that because there was some allegations.

947
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: I also had a guy named Mondo on my show.

948
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, with some allegations that him and

949
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Fanny Willis had some interactions prior.

950
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: To I am very anti gossip and I haven't seen

951
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: any evidence to support that.

952
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying she represented him.

953
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: He did represent him, That's what I mean. Yeah, she

954
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: represented But there was some other talk as well. There's

955
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: all kinds of talk about all kinds of things.

956
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I heard Trump mention some things, right, he

957
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: mentioned some allegations that wi't give allegations.

958
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But what I'm when I'm speaking to though.

959
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: I guess why wasn't Mono in the indictment?

960
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 10: No?

961
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: No, well, I think my question is because it's rolling

962
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: off for what you said about Paul Howell. My question

963
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: is that by Paul Howell not pulling the trigger and

964
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: Fanny pulling the trigger, did her relationship with some of

965
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: the why I sell members not romantically relationship I'm saying

966
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: professional relationship give her insight to wanna, you know, look

967
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: a little bit further into this.

968
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I don't know the answer to her.

969
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: And because what would motivate her when the DA prior

970
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: to her says that haities wouldn't there's.

971
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: No way to do this. Well, I'll give you what

972
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: could motivate her political ambition?

973
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: That is true?

974
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: Right, that is true. You go after you go after

975
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: President Trump to make the Democrats happy. Maybe you go

976
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: after these alleged gangs to maybe get some Republican votes,

977
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: and then you know, you run for Senate next year.

978
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: Right, that's true.

979
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: Let's get into the Mislove accusing brand Steele of mishandling evidence,

980
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: altering altering evidence.

981
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm sorry she.

982
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: Accused him an open court with really no basis of

983
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: having received some evidence that he had asked for from

984
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: another county and altering that evidence.

985
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 5: Sure you allow another moment, Miss Love called me that

986
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 5: I did not do something. They have the exact image

987
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 5: of what we got from the jail and Fair County.

988
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 11: That is it.

989
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: And if I get another false allegation and you do nothing,

990
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 5: I'm shocked.

991
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: I'm appall.

992
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 5: I sit here day after day with this false allegation,

993
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 5: just machine.

994
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: I gave the state everything.

995
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 5: There's been no disco construction, there's been no purposeful I

996
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: don't care. I don't care. I give over everything. I've

997
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 5: done this for thirty three years. Never in my life

998
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 5: i've seen a trial. I've done three hundred appeals in

999
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 5: the state of Georgia alone. I've never read a case

1000
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 5: like this. Judge. I gave them everything I had.

1001
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: I waited.

1002
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 5: I was at my office till eight after eight last.

1003
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 5: I waited for their investigator to come by A hand

1004
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 5: in him an exact copy of thumb drive. They have

1005
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 5: everything that we got from the Bay County jail. Been

1006
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 5: no deconstruction, there's been no purposeful exclusion. This is not

1007
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: the first time. I apologize that I'm getting tempered, but

1008
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 5: I've never been treated like this. You talk about professionalism

1009
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 5: every week. Professionalism is lacking with one lawyer here.

1010
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: It has never been.

1011
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 5: I don't even like coming to court.

1012
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: I used to love it.

1013
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 5: I would die for what we do. I used to say,

1014
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 5: I'm dying.

1015
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: I would die.

1016
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: I couldn't choose a better profession.

1017
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: If I had linigated with Miss loved I.

1018
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 12: Wouldn't everybody Calm down, Calm down, everybody, both of you

1019
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 12: see both of you, please be see it.

1020
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 9: Judge, I'm not please see.

1021
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: You have to do something. You have threatened me with contempt.

1022
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: You threaten me with jail.

1023
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 5: If you go back in time, we can just starting

1024
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: garda jury after jury you did individual guardea painfully.

1025
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: Miss Love would come.

1026
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 5: In and say that you're was crying.

1027
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: It was not true.

1028
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 5: You would say that's not my recollection.

1029
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: After I said it, you need nothing.

1030
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 5: We started ask you, please, mister, how would you feel

1031
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: if you were being treated.

1032
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 9: Mister Steele, I'd like to finish, mister Stee.

1033
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: I gave him everything on that drive and it's continual

1034
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 5: abuse of a prosecutor of another member of the bar.

1035
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't talk with Miss Love, and that's fine.

1036
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 5: I like that, But Judge, I'm not gonna stand here anymore.

1037
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1038
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 5: You could take my bar card.

1039
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: Mister, I'm not trying.

1040
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 12: I'm not listen there.

1041
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 5: And missus Williams, you know to me, this is an

1042
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 5: innocent man you're talking about. Ms. Love said there's a

1043
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 5: man in a fault and County jail shouldn't be there.

1044
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 5: Mister col Williams shouldn't be in customer.

1045
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: But it's been in charge and.

1046
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: We come here for a fair trial.

1047
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 5: It's been everything but that according to that, Miss Love

1048
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 5: has tried to demonize me at times, mister Adams, at times.

1049
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: Mister Sharp now and acause she wants.

1050
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 5: To win the case and now she speaks over people.

1051
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 3: It's not right.

1052
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 5: I gave them everything, and by the way, and what

1053
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 5: I want to tell you, by the way, it's not

1054
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 5: even the law. If they call that, gentleman on direct

1055
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: I don't have to give them anything before trial.

1056
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: I do it because you asked me to receive some

1057
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: evidence that he had asked for from another county and

1058
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: altering that evidence in what way, uh, stripping out some

1059
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: information from it, and then submitted to the court. And

1060
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: then ye're submitting it to her and you're going to

1061
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: be using it and trial and there's no basis for

1062
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: that allegation. And I I I hate to even mention

1063
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: it again because it's so scurrilous, you know, it's just

1064
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: it's just crap. But that's that's one example. She was

1065
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: repeatedly really imputing the integrity of Brian Steele, which just

1066
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: I don't know where that comes from because and and

1067
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: and and and you almost you talked about the tight

1068
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: criminal defense bar. That really offended me, really offended me.

1069
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: You almost have to because he's too perceives, he's too

1070
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: You got to try to bring him down some if

1071
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: you're not not not if if you're an upstand in person.

1072
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: But I'm saying in a fight, in a battle, she's

1073
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: looking at perception, if you ask me. And the reason

1074
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: I say this is is because they played to the

1075
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: cameras for a long time. There were faces made to

1076
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: the jury that were noises. What we what were y'all

1077
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: thinking about that? Because there was a long time where

1078
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: Mislove and the rest of those prosecutors were sitting next

1079
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: to the jury and blurt things out.

1080
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: And you know, we had some problems with that, with

1081
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: with the expressions that would come off miss Love. There

1082
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: was another prosecutor that would make a lot of expressions

1083
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: we complained about. I think Keith Adams complained about that

1084
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: a few times. And I think Judge Whittaker actually she's

1085
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: the one that ended up with the right answer, which is, well,

1086
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: the jury can see what they're doing and they can

1087
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: take from that what they want. And when we interviewed

1088
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: the jury. At the end of this trial when it

1089
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 2: was over, you could you can talk to some jurys.

1090
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna have thirty six on them. Yeah, yeah,

1091
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna But.

1092
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: They they they did not take that well. They did

1093
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: not like that all those expressions.

1094
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 3: And I can't wait to see what it.

1095
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: Was like back then when the first day would have

1096
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: got on them, when they got pulled out, Like I

1097
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: can't wait to get into that with him, as well

1098
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: as how I've got into it with you. Just You're

1099
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: opening my eyes to like all these different aspects of

1100
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: the trial that I'm sure people really don't know. And

1101
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: I don't like to do interviews. I like to have conversations.

1102
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: That's what I enjoyed us. And this is so much

1103
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: better for even the viewers, bro, because it doesn't seem

1104
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: all like you know, it's it's just he's a person.

1105
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: This is what made Trump when the election is because

1106
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: he went and in our two. In our they get

1107
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: to see exactly who this guy is versus all your

1108
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: talking points are gone.

1109
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: Now all of your little chit chatter that you had

1110
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 3: is gone.

1111
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: Now I'm actually seeing who Doug is and what he

1112
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: stands for. And one thing that's consistent with you is

1113
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: that you're riding for your client one percent. I'm telling

1114
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: dudes that this dude right here, I feel spirits.

1115
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: I can feel it.

1116
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: I can feel it that if you get a connection

1117
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: with this guy, he gonna fight for you.

1118
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: Like well, I mean, my clients deserve nothing less.

1119
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 5: I mean this.

1120
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: Look, so when I was a civil litigator, exclusively in

1121
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: federal court, I did huge cases, right, a billion, multi

1122
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: billion dollar cases, you know, Apple versus Google basically and

1123
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: all this stuff.

1124
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 11: Did that.

1125
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: I was on the Google side. Anyway, I was on

1126
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: the Google side. But anyway, that's kind of boring.

1127
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: No, that's not.

1128
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: But see that's money, okay, And I thought that was

1129
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: a big deal and I was all important because I

1130
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: was doing this big money stuff. This is so much

1131
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: more important. I mean, this isn't bullshit. People think, Oh

1132
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: that's bullshit. People's lives. The guy sitting next to me,

1133
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: that's his life. And fortunately I don't know what prison's like,

1134
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: and I never want to know what prison's like. But

1135
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: if you want to send my guy to prison, you

1136
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: better you better prove it, because I'm gonna do everything

1137
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: I can to make it as difficult as possible, right

1138
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: and make you do your damn job right.

1139
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: And back to Brian Steele and her trying to impede

1140
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: on his integrity. I think what was interesting is that

1141
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Judge Whittaker, because we're off Glenville now he's been recused,

1142
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: right now, have Whittaker Whittaker openly in court made a

1143
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: statement criticizing Love saying, Yo, you've been mishandling evidence or

1144
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: like hiding evidence or playing some sort of you know,

1145
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: got your game at the end, what was What would

1146
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: you say to that?

1147
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: You know, people looking back on the trial or toward

1148
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: the end will say, well, Judge Whittaker clearly didn't like

1149
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: the prosecutors, was kind of against them. But that's not

1150
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: the reality of it. Really, what really happened is she

1151
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: went in there not biased toward anybody, with no real opinion.

1152
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Judge Whittaker is a former prosecutor. The position

1153
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: the prosecution got themselves in with Whittaker was a position

1154
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: of their own making. You know, they put themselves in

1155
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: that position. They destroyed, they destroyed their credibility with the court.

1156
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: I would always tell I tell all my clients this,

1157
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: I have the coin of the realm. What you carry

1158
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: and spend in court is your credibility. It's and I

1159
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: I I do everything I can I keep that credibility

1160
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: held tight. And if I'm going to file emotion, if

1161
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to do something, you spend your credibility. When

1162
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: you do that right, you spend it. And I'm not

1163
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: going to spend it unwisely. So you may want me

1164
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: to make some motion, and you may get pissed off

1165
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: because I don't want to.

1166
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: Make it right. But there's a lot of lawyers that

1167
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: go through that.

1168
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: What dudes is like, your file emotion and shit ain't right,

1169
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, but if some lawyers should be

1170
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: filing those motions. I know guys who have paid lawyers

1171
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money and then as they get four

1172
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: or five, six years into their time, they start to

1173
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: fill you know, he should have fouled a Well.

1174
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 2: We make mistakes. I mean, we're humans. I make mistakes

1175
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: all the time. But my point is I'm careful with

1176
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 2: my credibility. The prosecutors in this case destroyed their credibility

1177
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: with Judge Whittaker and and and and so to the

1178
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: degree she developed some disrespect for them, and that she

1179
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: would say things like, you know, get frustrated with them.

1180
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: They earned that, they earned that, they worked to get that.

1181
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: Yes, she said.

1182
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: She criticized Love, suggesting she was either withholding information or

1183
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: she was just merely disorganized.

1184
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: Either you're either disorganized and incompetent or you're intentionally hiding

1185
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: the ball. I think that's the word use. You're intentionally

1186
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,959
Speaker 2: hiding the ball. And that's the truth. That's the truth.

1187
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: And it may have been a bit of a combination.

1188
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: They were fairly disorganized.

1189
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this, how did how

1190
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,479
Speaker 1: did the wife and Lucie case intertwined with this case?

1191
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: If at all?

1192
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: Not really at all. I think if a little bit

1193
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: more of that may have come in had mister Hughey's

1194
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: case proceeded and he hadn't pled out when he did,

1195
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: so what would have made there was some people just

1196
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: there was some there were some instances between Hughey, mister

1197
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: Hughey and some wife in folks that would have been

1198
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: introduced into the trial because he pled out that ended

1199
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: up not coming in. And I wasn't as well versed

1200
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 2: in that area because that was mister Hughey and mister

1201
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: Matthews Senior and Junior were his lawyers, and they were

1202
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: totally up on that part of the case, and there

1203
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: was so much. I'm sure Max knew it, because Max

1204
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: knew everything, but that part of the elephant wasn't mine.

1205
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: I was leaving it up to them. But I think

1206
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: some of the wife and stuff would have come in then.

1207
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: Did did so?

1208
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: From your understanding at the beginning of the trial, did

1209
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: Luci ever have a chance to give information or cooperated.

1210
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was ever given the chance

1211
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: to do that. But I never saw anything come in.

1212
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: That will help that will validate him Testifian.

1213
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: I never saw anything come in that would have been

1214
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: from Lucci to help the state in the case against Wyasel.

1215
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: I saw nothing.

1216
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: So how could they have a rico about the beef

1217
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: between these two gentlemen or these two entities for lack

1218
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: of a better term, and then not present anything that

1219
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: the that the so called head of the other organization, Well.

1220
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: They got into some of that. They got into some

1221
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: stabbings at the jail that took place between you know,

1222
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: where a wife and a wife and guy was stabbed.

1223
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: So they got into it a little bit. They'd have

1224
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: gotten into it more if he would have stayed there,

1225
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: but by this point, by that point in the case,

1226
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: Mislove had pretty much been removed.

1227
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: Everybody, okay, yes, so there was a point where mss

1228
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Love stopped showing up the game.

1229
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last why why did that happen?

1230
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: You'd have to ask d A. Willis why? If you

1231
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: had to guess, I guess because Judge Whittaker got so

1232
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: sideways with her, so frustrated with her. I imagine they

1233
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: made the tactical decision to pull her back. She came

1234
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: maybe once or twice at towards the end, but that

1235
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: was all and to move Adam aboute forward. So it

1236
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: was probably a wise choice.

1237
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, they lost a dog because she

1238
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 3: was a dog getting there now.

1239
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: But it wasn't helping him. It wasn't well, it wasn't

1240
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: helping him. You don't think so the jury at that point,

1241
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: when I talked to the jurors, they did not care

1242
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: for her.

1243
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 1: But she wouldn't shut up when they say ma'am, she'd

1244
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: be like, but did she keep it coming?

1245
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 3: She's arguing for her side.

1246
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: I know, I know, And that's why I said that

1247
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: she could talk the ears off a donkey, right, because

1248
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: you did say.

1249
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: That I appreciate your honor giving me the moment to speak.

1250
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1251
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 6: You're on Ryapoulos for interrupting the state earlier, but the

1252
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 6: state can talk the ears off a donkey. This continued

1253
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 6: filibustering has got to stop so that opposing council can speak.

1254
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: Here's here's and I'll tell you why I did that.

1255
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: She had this game she would play with Judge Glanville

1256
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: very successfully, which is she'd argue something and if she lost,

1257
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: she'd just keep arguing until Judge Glambville would change his mind.

1258
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: And I had won that argument. I had won that argument,

1259
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: and I saw her doing her thing. Just go and

1260
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: she filibusters. In other words, she just talks and as

1261
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 2: a and she doesn't let her opponent say a word.

1262
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, with most judges you couldn't get

1263
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 2: away with that crap, but they'd shut it down. But

1264
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: that's what was. That was her tactic. And I thought,

1265
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: if I don't get up here and cut this woman off,

1266
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: she's going to do it again. She's going to get

1267
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: Judge Glanville to change his mind. And I wanted that

1268
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: evidence kept out.

1269
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: And that was another point where you were straightforward and

1270
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: you wasn't sitting on your hands like, oh my god,

1271
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: she's doing it again. See some people will be like,

1272
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, here's she, but they wouldn't say anything.

1273
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You stood up, You're honest.

1274
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: Here she is again with this, and you just went

1275
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: right there with I mean, I had to interrupt her

1276
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 2: because if I wouldn't have interrupted her, she's doing to

1277
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: get him. She was going to get him to change

1278
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: his mind, right, And that's so crazy and itt and

1279
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: it's really rude to interrupt another lawyer in court.

1280
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 5: And I I.

1281
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 2: I maybe I've done it, but I don't remember ever

1282
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: having done it other than that circumstance, because that was

1283
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: too important, too important to let go.

1284
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 5: Right.

1285
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: Where does the YSL trial stand at this point today?

1286
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: Is it all done?

1287
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 5: Well?

1288
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: Our trial is done. They've got three more people on

1289
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: trial right now, or three more people about to go

1290
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: on trial. And I think other than those three people,

1291
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: with the other twenty five, there were twenty eight defendants initially,

1292
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 2: I think twenty five have been resolved and all they

1293
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: have left are these three on trial, and I think

1294
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: Oliver them are charged with RICO and one of them

1295
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: also is charged with the murder of Donovan Thomas.

1296
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: What was yet Gotti's or what was your position, your

1297
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: feeling when Thug is now about to plee out? Because

1298
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: when Thug please out, if you ask me, you lose

1299
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the viewership, a lot of the interests,

1300
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: You lose some of the people who cover it every day.

1301
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: What was you guys feeling?

1302
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: My biggest concern with Thug pleading out was losing the

1303
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: resources that Thug and Brian Steele brought to that courtroom,

1304
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: Losing the brilliance of Keith Adams and Brian Steele as

1305
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: being part of our defense team. I don't want to

1306
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: say we were kneecapped, but I felt, oh my gosh,

1307
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: we are losing our star quarterback and best wide receiver right, Yes,

1308
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: that's who we're losing. They're taking that away from us.

1309
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: And I mean, Max and I just thought, man, we

1310
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: have got to step up our game.

1311
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 3: And it was scary.

1312
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: We got to step it up. And I'll tell you

1313
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: the good thing though, all these other defense attorneys whose

1314
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: folks pled out, they all told us We're still here

1315
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 2: for you. Anything you need you let us know, whatever

1316
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: it is. We got your back.

1317
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: Did you believe that or would you utilize that?

1318
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 2: That's a two points Okay, Yeah, I totally believed it

1319
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: because the amount of trust the brotherhood and sisterhood, the

1320
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: tightness that our defense team developed during that trial was tremendous,

1321
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: and so I totally believed them. I had no reason

1322
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: to doubt them, and I did call on them from

1323
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: time to time. I called on mister Matthews for some

1324
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: help regarding some alc against Hughie that we're going to

1325
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: come in.

1326
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 5: I know.

1327
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: I talked to Brian and Keith about things. I talked

1328
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 2: to Nicole Westmoreland. I think I pretty much talked to

1329
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: talk to everybody and got some help at various times

1330
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: from most folks there.

1331
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: So for people who don't know how this is played out, thug, please,

1332
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: where does your client stand on the day?

1333
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 5: What?

1334
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: Thug? Please? As far as his trial, his positioning.

1335
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit back here a man. Yeah do you think?

1336
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 2: Do you think get comfortable? Yes? Sir? Where did we stand?

1337
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 9: Well?

1338
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: We had the opportunity to plead out, as I said earlier,

1339
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 2: we could make that call. So we we had to

1340
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: make a decision are we going to plead? And Diamante

1341
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: told me Yak told me I had nothing to do,

1342
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: so he was standing on it absolutely. He said, I

1343
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the death of Donovan Thomas.

1344
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 2: I am not going to go to prison for anything

1345
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,439
Speaker 2: where I have to take any responsibility for the death

1346
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: of Peanut, death of Donovan Thomas. And so he's like,

1347
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: I have faith in you. We're going to go forward. Okay,

1348
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: we're going to go forward.

1349
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 3: What did you think. No, did you think, oh God,

1350
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 3: we're losing thug and we're going forward? Are you sure?

1351
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 10: No?

1352
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't put it that way. It was

1353
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: more like, Okay, I mean, now I've got a Really

1354
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: this is a tremendous responsibility because if we lost, he

1355
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 2: is going to prison pretty much for the rest of

1356
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: his life if we lost. So it's a giant responsibility

1357
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: and and I took it very seriously. I mean, it's

1358
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: ultimately the only person that makes a decision whether ple

1359
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: out is that defendant, that individual. And it's again, I'm

1360
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: not I'm not going to criticize people that plant out

1361
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: or criticize people that stay in. It's their call. And

1362
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: if you if you plea out, you gotta live with that.

1363
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: If you plea out and you you go into prison

1364
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: for something you didn't do, you gotta sit in I

1365
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: don't have to tell you. You gotta sit in that

1366
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: prison day after day knowing you're sitting there dealing with

1367
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 2: that shit on something that you didn't do. Right, Yeah,

1368
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: and how can you live? I mean, so, there's a

1369
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: lot of reasons people did the various things that they did.

1370
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: I respect each decision they all made. They made it

1371
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 2: for their own reasons. You know, I wish Thug hadn't

1372
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: play out.

1373
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 3: We're finna get to that actually right now.

1374
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: So so okay, so before we get to the pleat thing,

1375
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be I know, that's gonna be a

1376
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: kind of intense conversation.

1377
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 3: The the stabbing of yet Gottiyah. When did this happen?

1378
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: It happened like relative to the plea, actually like a

1379
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: month later. So it happened a month after Thug's plea.

1380
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was towards the very end. I'm trying to think.

1381
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: I think it happened around the time of closing arguments.

1382
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 2: Is when that happened, that he got stabbed in the head.

1383
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 3: How does some like this even take place?

1384
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: Well, he actually he wasn't stabbed in rice Street he

1385
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 2: was stabbed in like the South Fulton Annex. But you

1386
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 2: know there's weapons in these people fashion their own weapons.

1387
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, But.

1388
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if because my understanding that so are they

1389
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: treating Thug different than yack nginail Because I'm understanding well in.

1390
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: The sense that that I think I think they kept

1391
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: Thug more isolated from the general population, whereas they put

1392
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: y in. Jack's in there with everybody, right, So Thug

1393
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: was a little isolated. And then you know there's pluses

1394
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: and minuses to that though, right, because what kind of

1395
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: social interaction are you having when you're basically basically in solitary, right?

1396
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: But I would think when they're going to court, so

1397
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: where are they being transported from? When when Yak is

1398
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: coming to court, is he close or are they putting

1399
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: him on the bus every single morning for two years

1400
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: a year.

1401
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: Most of the time he's at Rice Street. So that's

1402
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 2: that's like, well, like at fifteen or twenty minute ride,

1403
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: it's not very far. South Fulton's a little bit more

1404
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: of a distance because that's that's in Union City, so

1405
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: that's more of a commute from Union City end. But

1406
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, Thug had a commute from Cobb County, which

1407
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: is a pretty good commute coming in every day.

1408
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn, they said four am. Wake up too. Man.

1409
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: Oh they're a wake shane, y'all.

1410
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1411
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: That ain't going. You saw me complain to Wiaker because

1412
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: like a couple of days they woke up, they woke

1413
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 2: up yack at like three am or court, and and

1414
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: I said something to the judge. The judge said something

1415
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: to the sheriff's office, and they moved it back to

1416
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: a more reasonable wow, because you know the reason why

1417
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: isn't just a humanity thing. But from a legal standpoint,

1418
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: I need Deanmante's part of that defense team. I need

1419
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: his input. I need him awake and alert and listening

1420
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 2: to those witnesses and so we can talk about everything.

1421
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 2: I can't have him there half asleep. That's not an

1422
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 2: effective defense. And I brought that up to Judge Whittaker

1423
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 2: and she supported us.

1424
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: So you say thugs shouldn't, So what's your position, what's

1425
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: your position on young thugs?

1426
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: Plea, That is none of my damn business what he did.

1427
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's anybody's business. And I don't

1428
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: think anybody should criticize what he did, even himself, because

1429
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: I know he's second guessing himself right now, right.

1430
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1431
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 3: And and why would you say that though? What why

1432
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 3: would you say he shouldn't.

1433
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: Be criticizing kicking himself? Yeah, because you gotta do what

1434
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 2: you gotta do when you're in that position. And he

1435
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: had been locked up in there for two and a

1436
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: half years. There was no guarantee, no looking back. It's

1437
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 2: so easy to say, man, you'd have gotten are not

1438
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 2: guilty too? And maybe he would have. Was he guaranteed

1439
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 2: that you tell me? Was he guaranteed and not guilty?

1440
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,919
Speaker 1: If you're asking me the way that case was presented,

1441
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying he was guaranteed. And I'm also saying that

1442
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: Brian Steele, although it's a different kind of celebration because

1443
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: thug is home, I would think Brian Steele wants to

1444
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: nail this to the ground.

1445
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah he does.

1446
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've spent two years away from my family in

1447
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 3: every day and we're whooping them.

1448
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah we got him on the mat is two Yeah,

1449
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: they just need one moment the match is over.

1450
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1451
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 3: So if we all felt that way, that's what I'm saying.

1452
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: That's true.

1453
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 3: So if I'm looking at it, and I know, I

1454
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 3: know Thug in that moment is like, yeah, but I

1455
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: get to go home.

1456
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing that I don't think people will appreciate.

1457
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: And let's talk about this for a second. So when

1458
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: most people think about please, they think about a negotiated plea.

1459
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 2: That's what a normal plea is. You and the prosecution,

1460
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: you agree on a sentence, and pretty much the judge

1461
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: accepts it for the most part most of the time.

1462
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: What Thug did was incredibly ballsy. It took nerve because

1463
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: what he took and I don't think people appreciate this.

1464
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: He took a non negotiated plea, which means he went

1465
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: before Judge Whittaker and said, I'm gonna plead guilty and

1466
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it to you, to you, judge, to

1467
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 2: set my sentence. My god, he didn't know he was

1468
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: going to go home when he played guilty.

1469
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: If I'm Brian Steele, I'm pulling my hair out knowing

1470
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: that I got these people against the ropes and here

1471
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: he is going in here for a non Now. I

1472
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: love him, so I support him, and I also think

1473
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: that this will probably come out of your favor, right

1474
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have let you do it if I didn't.

1475
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you always been two years

1476
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: and we got him, bro, we got him right.

1477
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, now I'm in a nitpick a second, Brian. Still,

1478
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't a matter of him letting him or not

1479
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: letting him do anything. That's entirely up to Jack. But

1480
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 2: that's entirely up to him. We advise, we tell people

1481
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: what we think is gonna happen, but the only one

1482
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: that makes that call.

1483
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: But what kind of respect is that when I've given

1484
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: you two years of my life? Right, And that's just

1485
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: on the front end, that's just in trial. But how

1486
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: long Thug and Brian has been together.

1487
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. Why did

1488
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: this trial in the month after all these guys played out?

1489
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 2: It's because all these guys played out. If Jeffrey were

1490
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 2: to stayed in that trial.

1491
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you how much time in

1492
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 3: that trial we.

1493
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: Would still be in trial today.

1494
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: So if Thug would would have not pleaded, how much

1495
01:13:58,479 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: time do you think.

1496
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: Child wouldn't know? If he wouldn't have played out, we

1497
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: probably would have been out by like April or May

1498
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: of this year. Damn, that's my guess. Yeah, that's my guess.

1499
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: So look, I know people, I know people say, and

1500
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,560
Speaker 2: it's not just hindsight. I know people said at the

1501
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 2: time he shouldn't have taken the plea. I get it.

1502
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: And then looking back, it's even easier now to say

1503
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have taken the plea. But again, I'm not

1504
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 2: going to criticize a guy that's been basically stuck in

1505
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: solitary confinement for two and a half years. You didn't

1506
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: know that, well, no, no, that was in He took

1507
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: that plea November first, and I said, we would have

1508
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 2: been there till May, so say six months, seven months.

1509
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 3: But the hard part over where and I could possibly

1510
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 3: be a free man?

1511
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know.

1512
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: And then just talk about the stipulation surrounding the plea agreement, right,

1513
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: do you see that as being different a cult to

1514
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, stay free or stay in complainants with the stand.

1515
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: Well, the terms that Judge Whittaker put on him were

1516
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: not nearly as bad as the terms and the negotiated place,

1517
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 2: so they're a little more free for him to do

1518
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: his art. And here's here's even here's something important. Here's

1519
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: something important. Here's something important. Yes, Judge Whittaker specified, if

1520
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: you bring him back here to court on a probation revocation,

1521
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm the one that's going to hear it.

1522
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 3: Right, So you can't run all these.

1523
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 2: Can't do some game and bring it back and you

1524
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: get some judge that doesn't know what the hell went

1525
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: on in here. You want to play some because you

1526
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: know that's what they do to people. Yes, they give

1527
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: them ten years probation knowing, knowing we're going to catch

1528
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 2: them at something and we're going to revoke them, right,

1529
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: Because it's easy to revoke probation. Man, it is easy.

1530
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 3: Got fifteen years and it's easy to revoke.

1531
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 2: Yes, it doesn't take much of a fuck up. And

1532
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: you don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt technical violation.

1533
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: You only have to prove more likely than not. It's

1534
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 2: easy to prove a pro probation ravocation. Those are tough

1535
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: tough to win, which is why I was so happy

1536
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 2: that Yaks got withdrawn by the way, So you know,

1537
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 2: I think he can follow it. I think he can

1538
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: follow He's gonna have to be careful. He's a little

1539
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: free to do his art, but he's gonna have to be.

1540
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: That's what I want to talk to you about, like

1541
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: the art form side of it. Right, they utilized lyrics.

1542
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 3: In this trial.

1543
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: That's one of my hot button is Right, they utilized.

1544
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 3: Lyrics in this trial.

1545
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: You stand for the rap Act and trying to be

1546
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 1: on the side of hey allowing them free expression and

1547
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: to and to uh protect their integrity as it pertains

1548
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: to creative integrity. What what was your feeling as they

1549
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: read lyrics as they played songs and videos and they.

1550
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,879
Speaker 3: Were wrong several times. It's just had a context.

1551
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: The whole thing pissed me off. I mean, I don't

1552
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: know any other way to say it, especially when it

1553
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: came to the lyrics they wanted to use against Diamonte,

1554
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 2: Because look, I get I can kind of understand if

1555
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 2: there's some connection between a lyric and the crime, but

1556
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 2: they were doing ship where they're bringing up thugs lyrics

1557
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: written months before, months and months before the crime. So

1558
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: how could it be talking about or bragging on the crime?

1559
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: Had nothing to do with the crime. You know, it

1560
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 2: was one hundred rounds in the Tahoe.

1561
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: And that's and so that's what was interesting to me

1562
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: just to see you, to see them doing like h

1563
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: with the little uzy diamond in the head or fast.

1564
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: That was the worst man. I mean, if you guys

1565
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: don't know about that, if you didn't follow that, they

1566
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 2: what was what was the line try head inwards head?

1567
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: You know he's talking about Luluzi Birt and that diamond

1568
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: in his head. If you read it in context, the

1569
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: whole thing, it's clear that's what he's talking about. The

1570
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: state puts it in the damn indictment like thugs putting

1571
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: a hit out on somebody, and that indictment, that indictment

1572
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: gets read to the jury. We can't do shit about that.

1573
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: It gets read to the jury. It's all out of context.

1574
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 2: It's total bad faith. It's just more the it's just

1575
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 2: more the crap that they tried to do. That's like

1576
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: the whole business ship, which was it slant? What was

1577
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 2: the album the album with the its future and Thug

1578
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: It's Future and Thugs album.

1579
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 3: Future, what's the future? And thug album called slime Season

1580
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 3: slut no slime Season?

1581
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: I think it maybe slime forgive me something, slime season.

1582
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 2: You know where they got the snake and and they're

1583
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: like this was a thread that was all crap, you know,

1584
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 2: what Thug had nothing. First of all, those are the

1585
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: symbols of those two guys.

1586
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, logos, same with NBC.

1587
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 2: It's logos. Thug had nothing to do with the design

1588
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: of the cover. That's like these lyrics. I brought this

1589
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: up in my cross examination of who the hell was that? Uh,

1590
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't remember. It was one of the artists that

1591
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 2: they put on the stand and I was cross examining

1592
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: him about his slime Life Shorty. I was cross examining

1593
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 2: slime Life Shorty about his lyrics. He doesn't write those

1594
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 2: lyrics alone. Everybody gets involved in that. Producers do record label,

1595
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: everybody gets involved in that. You know, that's just not

1596
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: He's not some monk on top of a mountain coming

1597
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 2: up with this stuff. So that's this whole use of

1598
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 2: lyrics is a real problem.

1599
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: What's your position on there? How do you get it changed?

1600
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: And what is the fight consists of?

1601
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm laying a little low right now because we've

1602
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: got some Republicans that are working on that right now

1603
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: in the Georgia legislature to get the wrap back passed.

1604
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna try to be kind of quiet,

1605
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: a little more quiet than normal about it and let

1606
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: them do their political things. Like I'm going to stick

1607
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: to the courts for right now and let them do

1608
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 2: their legislating. But I'm doing what I can behind the

1609
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 2: scenes to get stuff done. And I'd like it to

1610
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: be done nationally. But if we have to do it

1611
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 2: state by state, well damn, we'll do it state by state.

1612
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: You know, We'll do whatever is the name of it.

1613
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 3: Actually, superlam super slimy, Thank you, thank you.

1614
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: I'm glad.

1615
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 1: Also, also, I heard you be critical of the Ysale

1616
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: documentary that law in Crime.

1617
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: Well I just I just thought it was very superficial.

1618
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 3: And you have a relationship with low and crime, will

1619
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 3: head do you still have one?

1620
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 2: I mean, ever since I criticized them, they don't talk

1621
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 2: to me too much anymore.

1622
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 3: Will you should be able to have your opinion?

1623
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 2: That shouldn't It's fine, that's no skin off my notes.

1624
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think anybody that sees me on

1625
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 2: any of these interviews, I'm not very guarded. I pretty

1626
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,800
Speaker 2: much say what I think. I'm sixty years old. I

1627
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: don't give a fucking sam I'm gonna just say what

1628
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: I want to say, and and the chips will fall

1629
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 2: where they will. But yeah, Yeah, I just didn't think

1630
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: they did it. I thought it was sensationalized. I mean,

1631
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 2: if you want to to me, to me, there's a

1632
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: lot of people that do the YSL trial a lot better,

1633
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: like you're covering it, like you look at I think

1634
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: that George Cheaty and his partner did a great job

1635
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 2: with King Slime, the King Slime podcast. George Cheaty's an

1636
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: independent journalist. That King's that King Slime podcast. It's two seasons.

1637
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 2: They didn't get to do the whole trial because I

1638
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: guess it didn't get picked up, but it's a great

1639
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 2: podcast and it goes in depth into what happened. You

1640
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 2: look at like Megan Kanuff's covering of the trial. Megan

1641
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: did a great job of that. There's a lot of

1642
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: miss Sylvia was covering. I mean, and I mean the king.

1643
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: Who's the king, right, the king of all the coverage?

1644
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: I think, on like a minute basis thugger day Man.

1645
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: That guy, he he was awesome.

1646
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1647
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: I told him I want to get him with Thug

1648
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 1: at some point, like I want him to meet thug

1649
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: Man because yeah, he did so much for the trial.

1650
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if Thug know that, but

1651
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: I see we all know it. I don't know reposting

1652
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: him and ship so I know that there's something there.

1653
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 3: But I really think he deserves a handshake, you know

1654
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1655
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 6: All.

1656
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy deserves that guy deserves credit because if

1657
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 2: you couldn't watch the stream, like most working people can't

1658
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 2: watch the stream, you couldn't watch the stream.

1659
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 3: He really gave this was this moment, this moment, that moment.

1660
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 2: And what he said was factual and true. I mean, heck,

1661
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: he reach out to some of us and say, hey,

1662
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 2: explain what's going on here. I mean, I'm happy to

1663
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: tell people I was talking to thugger day because he's

1664
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 2: out there and the truth out about what's going on.

1665
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: He was doing a great job. Him and Cuff Boys

1666
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 3: actually did a good job.

1667
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 2: I haven't really talked to him. He did a great job.

1668
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: Yes, he did a great job, and he they these

1669
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: guys had a infinity for thug Man. They really really

1670
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: really wanted to see like whoa, this is our favorite YOA,

1671
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: don't do that, and they covered it different like Cuffboys

1672
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 1: he does this all the time, but for Thug it

1673
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: was it just felt a little different. This the whole

1674
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: WI sale trial felt a little different. It felt like

1675
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: it was journalism, it wasn't just content creation. And it's

1676
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 1: a difference.

1677
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: And when I talked to Thugger Daily about it, he's like, well,

1678
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: I came into this with kind of an open mind

1679
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 2: and just just like straight reporting about what's going on.

1680
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: But anyone that paid attention to this, you can't help

1681
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: but develop a feeling about what was going on in

1682
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: that courtroom, and what was going on in that courtroom

1683
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: at least until Judge Whittaker came on just wasn't right.

1684
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 2: And and Thugger Daily picked up on that. God blessed

1685
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 2: Thugger Day.

1686
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: Not for sure, for sure.

1687
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 1: Also, Law in Crime ended up releasing jail phone calls

1688
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: from Young the after he was released, and you know,

1689
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, calls from turmoil with

1690
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: him and his wife.

1691
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: You know, here's what I was very I'm glad you

1692
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: reminded me of that, because I was very critical of

1693
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 2: that as well. And the reason I was critical of

1694
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 2: that is people have to understand most people don't know

1695
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 2: this because they just see what happens in the movies

1696
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: since COVID. In COVID, they cut off any kind of

1697
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: personal visits. So the only way to visit with your

1698
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: loved one who's in jail is over video, and they're

1699
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 2: recording all that stuff, and you don't have a choice

1700
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: but to be recorded. Thug had no choice but to

1701
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 2: have his interactions be recorded. And for that shit to

1702
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 2: leak was just low. It was just low and so

1703
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 2: and spread and so the shit that academics was doing too,

1704
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 2: where he was spreading around a bunch of stuff.

1705
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,839
Speaker 1: And see that's the thing about what I don't understand

1706
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: people like academics right, which I'm in the same with peers,

1707
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: but I say what I want to say right for you.

1708
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: So so academics, especially at the beginning, was very critical,

1709
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh they're gonna hang him on these And I'm like, yo, bro,

1710
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: you represent us our culture, if anything, create a conversation

1711
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: surrounding the misunderstandings with using lyrics and this oozy shit,

1712
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: Like they clearly got a lot of stuff wrong from

1713
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: our cultural context.

1714
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 3: Why are you pouring on and saying they're gonna hang him.

1715
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 3: Oh he did it. Old Fanny willis in it. And

1716
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, ro, my god, it hurt.

1717
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 1: It hurts my feelings, bro, because I understand how powerful

1718
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: our voice is it literally changes people's minds. So I'm thinking,

1719
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: what if the jury is watching this and he's wrong,

1720
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: like academics is wrong about several things he's saying.

1721
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 2: Now, the jury, they're instructed to not watch anything outside

1722
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: of but it's that gonna happen. But and they say

1723
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: they didn't. But you know what, during well the trial's

1724
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 2: going on, I can't count on that.

1725
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

1726
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: I can't count on that, That's what I'm saying. So,

1727
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's not just I just got to

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01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 2: make sure that everything that's out there in public about

1729
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 2: Yak is truth. Please, and if there's some bullshit going

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01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 2: on about him, and by the way, this is the

1731
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 2: case for any of my clients, I'm not gonna let people.

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01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm gagged, I'm gagged.

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01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 5: And and I was.

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01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: Careful to follow the rules, like I didn't say stuff

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01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: outside of court that I didn't also say in court, right,

1736
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: because I got rules I gotta follow. But if you're

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01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 2: gonna say some crap about my guy, I'm going to

1738
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 2: counter that.

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01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you as you should. Yeah, you know, as

1740
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 3: you should.

1741
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 1: Because when I see these narratives online, people don't understand

1742
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: how one hand washed the other, but both washed the face.

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01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: So these people can start a narrative online that can

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01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: really lead to charges.

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01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 11: I e.

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01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: We saw r Kelly, whether he's guilty or not. We

1747
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: see the documentaries pop up it, and then following comes

1748
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: into rests, prosecution, and then ultimately he's in jail. We

1749
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: see the same thing with Diddy, We see the rumblings thing.

1750
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 2: You folks should have a voice. Whatever you call yourselves

1751
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: journalists and what you call yourself media.

1752
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 3: You know, I call myself a broadcast.

1753
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Okay. You people that have public reach, whether you're like

1754
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: for the New York Times or you're on Twitter or

1755
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 2: or or TikTok or whatever, you've got a responsibility that

1756
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: what you put out there should be truth, should be

1757
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 2: moving conversations forward, should not be dragging things down. And

1758
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: we all have a role to play in society. You know,

1759
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 2: I always say people, I always say, according to Jewish mysticism,

1760
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm Jewish, going to Jewish mysticism, the Kabo law. The

1761
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: world got shattered, the world got broken. It's our job,

1762
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 2: all of our jobs, to repair our world. Yes, to

1763
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: make it a better place. Yes, to repair that world

1764
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: it's called in Hebrew, it's called tikun olam repairing the world.

1765
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: So I don't always succeed. I fall down. I'm a human, yes,

1766
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 2: but I hope, I hope what I do is working

1767
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: to repair the world. And I think that's what we

1768
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 2: should all be doing and tearing folks up. And that's

1769
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 2: why I don't want to speak bad on people I know.

1770
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 2: Think that helps me repair the world.

1771
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Now, for sure, what's your feelings on Diddie's case, and

1772
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: then we'll get there.

1773
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: I've been following it at all.

1774
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 3: No, No, that's not true.

1775
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 2: No, it's you know what, that's not true.

1776
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 3: You're too involved in this culture now to no.

1777
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: But you know what, I have to tell the truth.

1778
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 2: Since why SLA has gotten out, We've got sixty cases

1779
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: to try. I got judges hauling me all over the

1780
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 2: state of Georgia into I am. I am busier than

1781
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: a one armed paper hanger. I am all over the place.

1782
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: So I followed the uh shoot that case in California,

1783
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 2: that Rocky I'm tired. I followed the Asap Rocky case

1784
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 2: because I think that's pretty interesting what's going on there.

1785
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 2: The Diddy case to the extent they tried to use

1786
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: some lyrics there. I'm going to be following that part

1787
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 2: of the case.

1788
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 3: But you just taking out man, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1789
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 3: I mean you didn't just come off a long run.

1790
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 3: You know a lot of a lot of you know,

1791
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 3: investigation and emotions. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1792
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 2: But I think I may have alluded to it earlier,

1793
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 2: like starting March first, I'm going out on my own.

1794
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 2: I'll have a little more time to follow all that

1795
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Start my own firm. Oh yeah, wowngrat

1796
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: I'm getting some space from Bruce Harvey. I'm gonna be

1797
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 2: down and down in his building and uh yeah, it's

1798
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 2: gonna be. Let let me do my own thing.

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01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that? What can you disclose what

1800
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: you were paid for representing?

1801
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 2: Yet?

1802
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 3: Gotti? Like, what is a case like that worth?

1803
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 2: Basically, well worth a lot more than we were paid.

1804
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 2: But here, you know, I'll tell folks the way criminal

1805
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: defense works in general if they don't know. Usually the

1806
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: way criminal defense works. As you come to us with

1807
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 2: a case, it's a flat fee. We look at the

1808
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: case and we say, based on our experience, we're going

1809
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 2: to charge you x amount of dollars and that's it

1810
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 2: for the most part. For the most part, that's how

1811
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: it works. So it's fair to say that, with maybe

1812
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 2: the exception of Brian and Keith, none of us got

1813
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 2: paid anywhere near what would be normal compensation for this

1814
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: task that we did.

1815
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 3: We take a beaten Yeah, for sure, we take all

1816
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 3: those hours.

1817
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 2: But you know what, it doesn't matter. You know why,

1818
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: a deal is a deal. You signed up for this.

1819
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 2: We have an agreement. Nobody's expecting a two year trial,

1820
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 2: but that's the deal. That's the deal. So we're you know,

1821
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 2: my boss, j Appt, you know, this is what we

1822
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 2: agreed to. We're going to try this case.

1823
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 3: Were you paid cash or by the state? Like not cash?

1824
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 3: Were you paid by your client or by the state.

1825
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: We get paid by our client. We're private attorneys. Were

1826
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 2: paid by our client. Still, yeah, we were not quarter pointed.

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01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: Misty Williams that represent low Rod. She was quarter point

1828
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 2: She was at the end of the case or the

1829
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: bulk of the case. She was the only quarter pointed

1830
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 2: attorneys still in there.

1831
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 3: Wow, so she was paid.

1832
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 2: It's public. I think she was paid five thousand dollars

1833
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: a month in that trial when that man she had

1834
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 2: to fight for that.

1835
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: Have you ever been to public. Now you went straight

1836
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: because wow, wow, you went right to the big league.

1837
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did go right to the right.

1838
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1839
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's okay. I love it.

1840
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: I love what I do well, man, I really appreciate

1841
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 1: this conversation. We chopped it up good that people gonna

1842
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 1: enjoy this, see a different side of you, and finally

1843
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: to speak No, for sure, bro, I've been waiting to

1844
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: speak to you. I'm always like I said, I watched

1845
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: you and I said, man, he's a dog, and now

1846
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 1: I want to speak to him. I also want to

1847
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: get brand still on he I just ain't called him

1848
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: and told him, but I want to speak to BRASSTI.

1849
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: I want to speak to some of the people. I

1850
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,559
Speaker 1: got the Juril thirty six Monday's great.

1851
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Everybody should watch that. I'm going to watch that.

1852
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, for sure, I really appreciate this though, man,

1853
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: and we'll be in touch and continue to have these

1854
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: conversations about other things about the Rap Act. You know,

1855
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I continue to lend my platform to you. Thank you,

1856
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 1: and again, man, thank you for coming on. Thank you

1857
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: for sure y'all do something with that game. It's up

1858
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: the podcast.

1859
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 3: Let's go

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Speaker 9: Assass