1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: It's time for the b a qk A the b 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: a q A, which is saying the b a q 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: A with Tiffin A, the b a q A with Mandy, 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: the b a qa A prohibition question and answer. You 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: have questions, we have answers written reason because we're not 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: your financial advisor, we're not your attorney, but we are 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: your smart financial girlfriends. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Okay, and the internet. 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, some smart ladies on the Internet. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm excited because Mandra has an update for so maybe 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: Manda paint. 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 2: The scene for like it's an update for what. 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 4: I love a good sequel. So if you guys have 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 4: been following. A few weeks back, we got a question 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 4: from a listener named Kevin. First of all, Kevin, shout 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: out to you because you know, not our target audience, 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 4: but we love you for listening. He had such an 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: interesting question, he he He sent us a message saying 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 4: basically that his wife was not going up for promotion 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 4: at work and he was trying to encourage her to 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 4: do so. He wanted her to be and this was 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 4: a kicker. He wanted her to be a good role 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: model for their daughter and basically show their daughter that 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 4: she could be a leader and I don't know Tip 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 4: if you remember our responses, but I know the one 26 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: thing I remember, and what Kevin has pointed out here 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 4: in his follow up is I was like, way, way, way, Mint, Kevin, 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 4: you think you know what's best for your wife. But 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: your wife because she doesn't want to go for this promotion. 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: It may not mean that she's not ambitious. It just 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: may mean that, like she has identified this as not 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 4: the place you know, I want to be stepping up, 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 4: like they may not support me, etc. What else about Kevin? 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 4: So anyway, it's been weeks. That was one of our 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: more popular, one of our most popular baq and a's ever, 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: And we have been waiting Kevin for your bids with 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: Vaden Breast. So let's get into it. He has, Oh, Kevin, 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: all right, let me read this to you. Greetings ladies, 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: I just want to say thank you for taking my question. First, 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: let me thank you for pointing out how my words 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: related to my wife setting an example for our daughter 42 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: could be misconstrued. Let me say that my wife is 43 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: an outstanding role model to our daughter. I was talking 44 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: in terms of negotiating for higher wages and getting promoted. 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: But I see how someone could read that differently, my 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 4: wife loves our kids beyond measure, and that's the best 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 4: possible example. Also, she's he's digging himself out of all 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: She's gorgeous, kind forgiving a gift from God, and ten 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: times smarter than me. 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: That Sorry, it took. 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: Someone for the update, but your advice opened up some 52 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: really good dialogue. I have to admit I wrote my 53 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 4: question hoping you would give me some tricks to convince 54 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: my wife to just go for it. But what happened 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 4: was the exact opposite. After listening to the podcast, it 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: was as if everything my wife had been telling me 57 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 4: shifted and my whole perspective changed. Through our conversation, I 58 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: realized that the fear I thought I saw was just 59 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 4: my wife not feeling she was in an environment that 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 4: would nurture and support her. I wouldn't call her environment 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: toxic because she likes her job and her coworkers. After 62 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 4: re listening to her, I realized she doesn't feel like 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 4: the current leadership at her job can provide enough support 64 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: and guidance for someone stepping into a brand new leadership position. 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: All right, Kevin, you're halfway out of the hole that 66 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 4: you've dug. But it gets better. TIF Are you ready? 67 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: Listening to the podcast, I realized that I was falling 68 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: into that trap where I knew what was best for her, 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: and like you said, she's one of those people who 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 4: knows when to say enough. I am now focusing on 71 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: just shutting up and listening and letting her tell me 72 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: what she wants, which honestly, she's been doing the whole time. 73 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: When I took a minute to stop and think about it, 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: I wrote into the podcast looking to help her, but 75 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: all along I was the one who needed help. At 76 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: this point, I don't believe that he's writing this, I 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: think is why it's writing this point. Oh, I can't 78 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: why because I just want all the husbands out there 79 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 4: to just listen. 80 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: Okay. 81 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: I like to think of myself as supportive, but sometimes 82 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 4: my ambition to be this power couple clouds my judgment. 83 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 4: I have to start realizing that our power as a 84 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: couple isn't tied up in our titles or how much 85 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: money we make, but in the fact that we are 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: a loving black couple that's been together for twenty five years, 87 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: love it. We have raised three awesome children, and we 88 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: love ours. We love each other now more than ever, 89 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: thank you for the advice. I don't think this email 90 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: can truly express how transformative your advice was. I'm a 91 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 4: better husband now because of the advice you gave me. 92 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: Your biggest fan, Kevin Kevin. 93 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: First of all, Kevin's wife was standing over her shoulders 94 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: say and say and write that, Yeah, the beautiful party, 95 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: beautiful smarter than me. 96 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: keV was like, like, let me reread it. 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: She said, you know, let me make some edits because 98 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: you over here not really fully express it. First of all, Kevin, 99 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: we stand a husband that wants to do and be better, 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: So let's fee around arose for that. 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: So that's awesome. 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: The fact that you the fact is you you reached 103 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: out to ask for help, but we're open when the 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: feedback didn't align with what you expected, which speaks volumes 105 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: about you and your character. 106 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: So you know, your wife is not the only You 107 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: are not. 108 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: The only lucky one. You know, she is fortunate to 109 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: have you as well. And I just love the fact 110 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: that I suspected she was already telling you. But oftentimes 111 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: we don't hear our significant other until someone else said 112 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: something similar. 113 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: So I love the. 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: Fact that you were like, wait, she has said that 115 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: and like, literally, Mandy, it's like what you said that 116 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: she was like you were like, I mean, she sounds 117 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: ambitious and amazing. Maybe she just looking around and was like, 118 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: oh no, you're not gonna have me up here looking 119 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: like how you looking up here without support and free falling. 120 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: No no, no, no no. 121 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: So I love the fact that that's what it was, 122 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: and that you figured out that's what it was, and 123 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: so like, I'm just honestly, I'm just this is like 124 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: my favorite baqa moment if I do say. 125 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: So myself, and I I think. 126 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 4: I would join you in that. Yes, so warm and fuzzy. 127 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: And this is why you've been married for twenty five years, Kevin. 128 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: We were never worried for you twenty five years. This 129 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: is how a man, This is how every couple should handle, 130 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: you know. Maybe don't you know, send questions to podcasters. 131 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 4: That's part of that fundamental you know process. But in 132 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 4: this case, it worked out, and I'm so glad that 133 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: it helped you better understand where your wife was coming from. 134 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 4: And this is the thing. I don't think I would 135 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: have been able to even think of this question and 136 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: this response in this way had I not spent the 137 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: past year talking to hundreds of black and brown women 138 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 4: who are feeling just like your wife, and it opened 139 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: my eyes up to this notion that oh, we're just 140 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: not you know, we're not earning more because we're not 141 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: ambitious enough. We're not going for the leadership roles because 142 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: we don't think that, you know, we would be good enough, 143 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: or we have imposter syndrome and all that bullshit, when 144 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: really it's like, so what are the organizations doing to 145 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: make us feel like we would succeed in that role? 146 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: And like what supports and resources are they giving us 147 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: so that we can thrive? So I'm just yes, big 148 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: fuzzy yes, over the moon with this response. I hope 149 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: you guys just have a beautiful date night and laugh 150 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: about this. Kevin, we're your biggest fans too, I would say, 151 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: Oh and I forgot the ps ps. He says, Tiffany, 152 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 4: I'm still putting your book on the prime spot at 153 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: every bookstore I go to. 154 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Okay, gegging with money, still out here 155 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: doing this thing. And just like, we just want to 156 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: shout out to Kevin's wife, who clearly reread this was 157 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: like and again because you was reckless at first, were 158 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: like Kev's wife. Girl, you got to stuff a good one. 159 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: Girl. 160 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: You got him all the way together, Like Okay, I 161 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: could just see him being like, I want to play 162 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: with the ladies. Head said, I wonder if he played 163 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: it for her. She was like, that's what I've been 164 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: trying to tell. 165 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: You with love. 166 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: So let's move on to some other people's lives that 167 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: we need to be saving. You know that, Oh yes, 168 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: because we are here. 169 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: Just it. 170 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: No pressure, no pressure. 171 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: We've got a message from Casandra not their real name, 172 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: but that's okay. We love Bake, Hi, Tiffany, and Mandy. First, 173 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: can I just say how much I admire both of you. 174 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I grew up in a household where we live paycheck 175 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: to paycheck and never talked about money, so your podcast 176 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: is bridging that gap. Thank you, you welcome girl. My 177 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: question is about navigating the option between public and private 178 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: work and pay. I'm a lawyer, okay, girl, smart, who 179 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: recently graduated, and I am currently deciding between accepting a 180 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: job in the public sector nonprofit or government or the 181 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: private sector law firm. My heart isn't doing public interest law, 182 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: but the salary gap is huge. If I went the 183 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: public interest route, I would be making anywhere from fifty 184 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: to sixty five thousand dollars. While at a law firm, 185 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: I would make two hundred and fifteen thousand starting and 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: be given oh wow, and be given an eighty thousand 187 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: dollars bonus. I have interviewed at law firms and this 188 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: is what they've offered. To top it off, I'm the 189 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: sole breadwinner. Oh my husband is a recent immigrant and 190 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: a full time student, and I have a two year 191 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: old daughter. I won't say her name because I'm assuming 192 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: that's saying her name. How do you suggest I approach 193 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: this choice? I feel like doing what I love is 194 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: completely out of the question because of the salary gap 195 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: if I go the private route. How do I deal 196 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: with the guild that comes from working for companies instead 197 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: of doing the work for the greater good? 198 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: What say you, Mandra? 199 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: Oh? 200 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 4: Well, Cassandra, I mean I, first of all, I feel 201 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: like you're so not alone in this predicament and the 202 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 4: thing that I want you to like what I can 203 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: tell that you're you're putting so much pressure on yourself, 204 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: as if this is the only career choice you're ever 205 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: going to make. You know, the facts are you can 206 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: get a really nice salary, and you can still do 207 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: good work working for a private firm. You can be 208 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: choosy about which firm you do. You can choose a 209 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: firm that gives you I've had coaching clients who've you know, 210 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: had pro bono cases that they can take or the 211 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: firm commits some percentage of their hours to pro bono work. 212 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: Think about what you how much, how much you would 213 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: be able to do with those additional resources for your family, 214 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 4: and then also potentially you could maybe give away some 215 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 4: of your knowledge yourself, like volunteering for a nonprofit or 216 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: volunteering for an organization or for people that you may 217 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: want to help. You can still do that, you know. 218 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: So I don't think you should feel guilty at all 219 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 4: for accepting, of really accepting what you're worth. You know, 220 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: from a private firm. You're a breadwinner. Everyone's circumstances are different, right, 221 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: You're in a situation where you don't have all the 222 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: options in the world to just take a job for 223 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: the love of it. Like, you have a family to support, 224 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: a husband who you said recently immigrated and maybe trying 225 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 4: to establish his career, so like you can take on 226 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 4: that role as breadwinner yeah, for now, and then you 227 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: could do it for a few years, a couple of years, 228 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 4: one year, whatever, and then if you decide to change 229 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: and it's not right for you, make that change at 230 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: that time, you know. So I feel like people just 231 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 4: put a lot of pressure on one choice, as if 232 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to make this choice and this is who 233 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 4: I'm going to be the rest of my life, when 234 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: that's not always the case. It's rarely the case. 235 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, Cassandra, because I struggle with this. 236 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: When I first started the Budgetnista, my intention was to 237 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: make it a nonprofit organization because I wanted to be 238 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: of service and I thought that's the best way I'm 239 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: going to give, you know, I'll find some funding and 240 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: to give my services a way for free. But it 241 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: just wasn't the right fit because for some reason, I 242 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: had decided that if you're going to do good work, 243 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: you have to be like a financial martyr, you know, 244 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: and I had done that being a preschool teacher. I 245 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: really didn't make much, but you know, it was just me. 246 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have children, I wasn't married when I was 247 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: in my twenties, and so you know, I made less 248 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: and I don't regret that, but I realized with the budget, Nissa, 249 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: that you can do both. That it is a business 250 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: that gives ways so much information for free. And then 251 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, we you know, I figured out ways to 252 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: monetize in ways that are still in alignment with my integrity. 253 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: So to Mandy's point, like there are organizations. 254 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: That you could donate your time and energy to, like 255 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I know, for example, in Newark, there is a like 256 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: a like a group of lawyers that, like you know, 257 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: every Tuesday you can kind of go to some office 258 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: and ask all these different questions of them and they 259 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: give that time away for free to the residents of 260 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: newer you know. And so there are things you can 261 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: still do that gives your time and with those financial funds, 262 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: you are able to if your husband is an immigram, 263 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: one thing I know for one thing for certain two 264 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: things for sure, people who you know, immigrants give money 265 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: back home, right, And so I look at my parents 266 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and how many people that they've helped while being here 267 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: and how we continue that legacy. And so you being 268 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: married to your husband, it opens up I'm not sure 269 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: what your background is, but it opens up your opportunity 270 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: to also help family members you know, potentially financially because 271 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: if you know, with that salary, which is incredible, plus 272 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: that bonus, which is super incredible, I can imagine how 273 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: hard you must have worked with a two year old. 274 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: That means you were pregnant while you were in law school. 275 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: Girl, you know you that's your Yeah, so girl, you're 276 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: just you're rock starring it. You don't have to take 277 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: less in order to prove that you care about people work. 278 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: Walking with integrity is not about taking less. It's just 279 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: about your day to day actions, and there are other 280 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: ways to do that without without sacrificing your family's financial future. 281 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: So congratulations, Cassago. We are proud of you over here 282 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: at the ba of the QA and continue soaring. I 283 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: have to see the decision is yours. But no, if 284 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: you needed that permission, that's what she was asking for. 285 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: Girl. 286 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Two brown girls were saying, get your money, honey, commissions up. 287 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 4: Grunted, Yeah, Gunted. I love that those private firms need 288 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 4: more women of color too. I just feel like, yes, 289 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: when you find the right fit, you'll be making a 290 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: huge impact no matter where you go. And I mean, 291 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 4: this is just the privilege of not having This is 292 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 4: the privilege that you can be building for your daughter 293 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 4: to maybe one day make a choice for whatever she 294 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 4: wants to do, just based on passion, because you're because you, 295 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 4: you know, starting off this new generation of wealth building, 296 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 4: like you're doing, like you've made that possible for her. 297 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: That's what I feel like I'm doing every day. Just 298 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: given Rio. Rio can just go be a poet. 299 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: I love that baby. 300 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: Just go be a go be an artist, whatever you 301 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: want to be. Oh man, All right, well I should 302 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: we take a quick break and we'll be right back 303 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 4: with a really good question from somebod who wants to 304 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: go by ag girl. I want to find out why. 305 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 4: See y'all right back here with more of your ba 306 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: q and a's l right, ba fan, we are back 307 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: with your question. Did you catch how I said holy shirt, Tiffany? 308 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 4: Because I almost died when I said holy shirt. This 309 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: is when you know Rio is now responding to and 310 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: repeating everything I say. 311 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: I was like, Manna, you cuss a little, and you're. 312 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 4: Like, no more. 313 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Now. 314 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 4: The other day I used and I did not say 315 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: holy shirt, and he repeated that all the way to daycare. 316 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: O God, I said, oopsie. 317 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 4: Anyway to our question, this comes from a listener who'd 318 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 4: like to go by ag girl, she or he says, 319 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 4: I am well she she says, I am a new 320 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: graduate and I landed an amazing job in my field 321 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 4: of my in the field of my dreams, with great benefits. 322 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: I'm wondering, how do you balance illustrating your oprah as 323 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 4: a new employee while still having a good work life balance. 324 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 4: You all stress not to overwork yourself, but I feel 325 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 4: like this is what I need to do to get noticed. 326 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 4: Can you provide some advice on illustrating your oprah as 327 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: a new graduate but not overworking ourselves to get noticed? 328 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: Excellent question that girl first. 329 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: For I guess so just for the fose of you 330 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: who are listening who might not know what illustrating your 331 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: oprah is. Honestly, it's just this term that I came 332 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: up with where I was like, because when I first started, 333 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: the budget needs to no one would like let me speak, 334 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: not even for free, let. 335 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: Alone pay me. 336 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: And I remember at first I was I used to 337 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: just tell myself, oh, that's because they don't have the budget. 338 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: They don't have money. 339 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: And then one day someone who had told me no 340 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: told someone else yes, like they told me no for 341 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: the free thing and paid them like two hundred dollars 342 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, what the hell? And I realized, like, 343 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: they do have the money, They're just not giving it 344 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: to me. Hey why, as I thought, and I remember 345 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: distinctly thinking, I bet if I was Oprah, they would 346 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: pay me. And then something in me it was like, yeah, 347 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: if you were Oprah, they would pay you because Oprah 348 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: clearly illustrates her value. And I was like, oh, it 349 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: was a read for filth internally, so I realized that, like, 350 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: somehow I have to showcase my value so undeniably that 351 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,359 Speaker 1: they pay me as quickly like they would pay Oprah, 352 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, And still to this day, I still work 353 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: on that. So just so you guys know, that's where 354 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: illustrating your Oprah comes from. Okay, So, at girl, you 355 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: are right in that there are not all time is 356 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: created equally, right, So there are going to be times 357 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: when you're going to be working more than others and 358 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: leading in more to others. 359 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: I don't believe in balance. 360 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: I believe in what I call harmony, So balance all 361 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: things at equal measure. Same, you know, like alone time 362 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: at home, you know, time with their girls is the 363 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: same time with your partner time at work. Now, ain't 364 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: no such thing as balance to keep all of those 365 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: things equally weighted. 366 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: Instead, there's harmony. 367 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: You ever listened to a song, Sometimes the pranos are 368 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: the sopranos are dominating. 369 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: They're a little louder. 370 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: So sometimes work is a little louder, and sometimes here 371 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: comes the baritones. 372 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: They dominate. 373 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: And so maybe that's like, you know, partner time, Like 374 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: that's what's dominant this weekend, and so it is okay 375 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: to fluctuate in and out of. Like you know, it's 376 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: like when you first start a business, same thing, you're 377 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: going to have to lean in and work harder than 378 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. Like I don't work nearly as 379 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: hard from when I first started the budget easte, but 380 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: when I launched something new, I knew, I know that 381 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: it's going to require more of me than when I'm 382 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: already coasting through doing that thing for a number of years. 383 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: So I don't want you to think that you're not 384 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: supposed to work hard, But overwork just means if you 385 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: are exhausted and spent and you're just like sick of it, 386 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: then you know you have pushed yourself too hard. The 387 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: sopranos are doing too much. They need to sit down 388 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: and let the altos sing a little song. 389 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 390 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: And so that's what it looks like. I'll give you 391 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: an example of someone on my team who's done them. 392 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: Her name is Logan. Shout to Logan. She's amazing. 393 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: So when Logan first came to me, Logan was the 394 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: She worked in customer support on the literature Academy side 395 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: of my business, so that's my online school, and Logan 396 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: was in customer support, you know, just literally making a 397 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: few bucks an hour. She was so good and she 398 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: created like a system for us to answer customer support 399 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: more succinctly that I made her the customer support manager, 400 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: you know. 401 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: And Logan is someone who's always reading. 402 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: A book, taking a course, taking a class, so she 403 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: got to be so good the customer support manager in 404 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: that she trained everyone, and so we could literally satisfy 405 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: thirty thousand people in our academy with like three or 406 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: four people on customer support. 407 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: I was so impressed. 408 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: I said, what do you actually want to do, Logan? 409 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: And she's like, I really love researching. I love how 410 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: you write your copy, tiftany I want to learn how 411 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: to copyright, I said, bet So I started to teach 412 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: her how to copyright, and she got so good. So 413 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: it took me her maybe six months to like eight 414 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: months to like kind of shadow me and like copywriting. 415 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: And then I let her take it on on her 416 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: own and just I would just review everything she wrote. 417 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: And by a year's time, Logan was just as good 418 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: as a copywriter. And now she's even better and to 419 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: the point now where then I promoted her to contact manager. 420 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: So she writes all my emails, she does all my 421 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: social media posts. 422 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: And you know what I mean. But you see the how. 423 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Logan illustrated her oprah was she didn't just do her 424 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: job well, she prepared for what the next level might 425 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: look like by learning something new. And so when after 426 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: my husband passed away, I could not support the fifteen 427 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: people I had on the team at Badjanista. It just 428 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: was too much. But I let go of everybody except 429 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: for my admin and Logan. Why because her value was 430 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: so illustrated. I was like, yo, if I can't let 431 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: a logan, I need Logan. 432 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: Right because she illustrated her value so much. 433 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: So like if I talk to Logan now, ask her, 434 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: what do you doing right now, she's like, oh, I'm 435 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: taking this Instagram course so I can learn how to like, 436 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, to get her Instagram like poppin' Oh I 437 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: took this course on Pinterest. Because that's Logan, always stretching 438 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: to learn, to grow, to add new skill sets to 439 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: her to her toolkit. You she illustrates her OPRAH so 440 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: so succinctly and so powerfully that even if I would 441 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: have let go lower, there are people now squatting on 442 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: you still work with Logan. Okay it Logan available, Like 443 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: Logan would have no problem replacing me with another job 444 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: because she's just so valuable. So that's what illustrating your 445 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: OPRAH looks like in real time. And also, you know, 446 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: creating harmony with working hard when you need to work 447 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: hard and pulling back when you need to pull back. 448 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 4: I love when you talk about that Logan story. It's 449 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 4: a great example of well. I also think it's a 450 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: really good example of as a leader recognizing like, because 451 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 4: people can be illustrating their OPRAH, but if you're not, 452 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 4: as a leader seeing it and like rewarding them and 453 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 4: showing them that with hard work, and for so many people, 454 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 4: there's a lot of out there who are just not 455 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 4: being seen because they have teams or management that just 456 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 4: not is recognizing their talent. What I love about a 457 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 4: recent grad. That's why I got excited, ag girl when 458 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: I saw your question. It's like, oh, you can be molded. 459 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: Like you're so young and this is your first you know, 460 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 4: it sounds like the first full time job you've had. 461 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: And just I would add to that, you know, how 462 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: do I define illustrating your oprah? You know, for me, 463 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 4: I think it's all about your professional brand, and first 464 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 4: and foremost, that's like how the outside world outside of 465 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 4: your employer is viewing your work. So this is people 466 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 4: who you may engage with on LinkedIn or through networking events. 467 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 4: What do they know about the work that you're doing 468 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 4: and are you telling them and showing them so you're 469 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 4: not the best kept secret. And then it's also like 470 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 4: how do people at your company view you? You're so 471 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 4: new that your first years. You know, if you go 472 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 4: back to Tiffany's story about Logan, you know, she spent 473 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 4: months doing really well and I'm assuming like demonstrating that 474 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: with Tiffany and letting you see the growth and all 475 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: of that and moving on to the next thing and 476 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: so I think in your first year especially, give yourself 477 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: time to make an impact, give yourself time to learn 478 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 4: and to see what is needed and to try to 479 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 4: fill that need. You know in your new role, I 480 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 4: wouldn't go above and beyond just working just to be working, Like, 481 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 4: take the task that you're given and complete them and 482 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 4: learn and grow. But the best way to sort of 483 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: expand your professional brand at work is to actually keep 484 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: your manager and your team abreast of what it is 485 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 4: that you're up to. So I love the idea of 486 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 4: doing a weekly recap email for your manager, especially when 487 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 4: you're new. Just literally can be a few sentences, Here's 488 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 4: what I've been up to, Here's what I've been doing. 489 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: This is really good for managers who are maybe a 490 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 4: little bit more off hands and you don't feel like 491 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: they're recognizing what you're doing. Demonstrate your oprah, tell them 492 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 4: what you've been doing. So keeping them updated with like 493 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 4: a weekly recap email a monthly. If you don't have 494 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 4: a regular one on one with your manager, ask to 495 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 4: schedule one. The key is just recognizing that sometimes we 496 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 4: have to tell people that we're ready for more and 497 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 4: tell them that we are worthy of more, and not 498 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 4: like waiting for them to tap us on the shoulder 499 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: and be like, you know, that's the ideal. I feel like, Tiffany, 500 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: you're just like you're a badass. I'm going to give 501 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 4: you more. Some managers are just clueless, and so we 502 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 4: have to like say, hey, hi, give me more. And 503 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 4: if not, you know, I'm going to be moving on 504 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 4: down the road to someone who will give me more. 505 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 4: So that's what I would say. Don't overwork yourself for 506 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 4: the sake of doing it. And I also think if 507 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: you're if you're being impactful and like really helping your team, 508 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 4: then you can't make the mistake of thinking that I'm 509 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 4: meant to do everything by myself and kill myself because 510 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, if they're not actually 511 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 4: asking you to do that, that'd be a problem too. 512 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: But if you're just telling yourself, I need to work 513 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: around the clock and you know, really burn myself out, 514 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: all you're gonna do is end up resentful and like 515 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: burnt out. And that's a mistake that too many women 516 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 4: are making. Professionals are making, you know, in their careers 517 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: as well. But you're so young, there's time. Don't don't 518 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 4: do that. 519 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: Yes, girl, you're gonna be looking good. It's opuspank account, 520 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: good luck, a new job. Yeah, oh the youths. Yeah. 521 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: In the fact you're asking that question speaks volumes about 522 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: like you know, I feel like you're gonna crush it 523 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: and kill it. 524 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: So check in with us in a few months. We'd 525 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: love to know how it's going. 526 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 4: Give us another Kevin update, Kevin Style update. All right, 527 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: a girl into all of our incredible listeners who sent 528 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 4: us your questions, Thank you so much. If you have 529 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: a question you want featured on the show and the 530 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 4: b a Q and A hit us up Ron Brown 531 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 4: Ambition Podcast. 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