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Speaker 1: Let's get to Intel.

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Speaker 3: This is a very interesting story, actually, lots of perhaps

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Speaker 3: some left right horseshoe, a lot of the right people

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Speaker 3: are very upset about it. So let's go ahead and

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Speaker 3: put it up here on the screen. New announcement made

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Speaker 3: by Donald Trump. He says, quote, it is my great

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Speaker 3: honor to report that the United States of America now

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Speaker 3: fully owns and controls ten percent of Intel, a great

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Speaker 3: American company that has even more incredible future. I negotiated

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Speaker 3: this deal with the highly respected chief executive officer of

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Speaker 3: the company the United States paid nothing for these shares,

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Speaker 3: and the shares are now valued at approximately eleven billion.

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Speaker 1: Great deal for America.

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Speaker 3: Also a great deal for Intel, building leading edge semiconductors

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Speaker 3: and chips, which is what Intel does, fundamental to the

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Speaker 3: future of our nation, make America great again. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for your attention to this matter. And so this has

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Speaker 3: invited a lot of very interesting discourse. Just to give

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Speaker 3: everybody some more details, so we can put the Wall

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Speaker 3: Street Journal story up on the screen, which gives some

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Speaker 3: of the some of the details. Basically, what it does

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Speaker 3: is it converts Chips Act grants into equity. So they

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Speaker 3: were going to get this money anyways from the government.

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Speaker 3: What it does is converts to equity in the company.

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Speaker 3: And what it basically says is going to be followed

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Speaker 3: potentially by other types of these deals. Under the terms,

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Speaker 3: the eight point nine million in grants that had already

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Speaker 3: not yet been paid, We'll just be transferred to equity

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Speaker 3: in the company with basically a swap of that. They

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Speaker 3: won't even have any voting direct control in the overall thing.

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Speaker 3: They're paying some quote twenty dollars and forty seven cents

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Speaker 3: was recently offered to the Japanese controlled SoftBank, just to

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Speaker 3: everybody aware. But the point is is that it's a

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Speaker 3: bigger question about government control and whether the government should

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Speaker 3: have a say in how these type of companies operate.

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Speaker 3: And this is a big libertarian more like Koch Brothers

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Speaker 3: traditional free market view and what I would say is

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Speaker 3: an industrial policy view. And it's actually important for everybody

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Speaker 3: to sit and to think about the story of Intel.

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Speaker 3: Intel was the flagship American semiconductor manufacturing company. It remains

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Speaker 3: one of the only major semiconductor manufacturers in the United

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Speaker 3: States today who creates their own fabs.

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Speaker 1: This is another important thing. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 3: Nvidia and AMD two of the largest shares of market

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Speaker 3: does that matter? Because if ninety percent of advanced manufacturing

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Speaker 3: moving away from that. That's why we're both supportive of

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Speaker 3: the Chips Act. Well, everybody needs to understand this. If

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Speaker 3: Intel is the story. You shut down, the FABS become

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Speaker 3: less competitive. Meanwhile, Samsung, which is aka a branch of

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Speaker 3: the question is how do you accomplish that the grants themselves.

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Speaker 3: Part of the problem is that they're not stringent enough

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Speaker 3: I think I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that.

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Speaker 1: But part of the.

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Speaker 3: Problem is still, you know, it's not an American company.

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Speaker 3: You're still don't have nearly as much control as you

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Speaker 3: And so before I get your take, Crystal, we got

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Speaker 3: to put out Senator Bernie Sanders, the goat, as always

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Speaker 3: sticking to his principle, let's put it up here on

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: If microchip companies make a profit from the generous grants

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Speaker 3: have a right to a reasonable return on that investment.

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Speaker 1: And so not only do I endorse.

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Speaker 3: That, but I actually would say that if anything, we

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Speaker 3: should have more of control with intel here. Yes, I know,

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Speaker 3: crony capitalism whatever, All right, let me you know again

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Speaker 3: spell it out for you. There is no critical national

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Speaker 3: because if you don't, then you're going to end up

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Speaker 3: like America today, which is basically a Holida husk of

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Speaker 3: people who design shit and then let the Chinese, the Taiwanese,

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Speaker 3: the Koreans, the Japanese actually build all of a for us.

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Speaker 3: God help us if we're ever actually in a bad situation.

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Speaker 2: That's my overall time Bernie's principle one hundred percent agree with. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I just know that Trump is going to use this

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Speaker 3: Gold ship, well, the first gold ship ever made factored.

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Speaker 2: I mean not only that, Like, I think it's also

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Speaker 2: important for people to really sit with these chips are

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Speaker 2: think actually opposed. The chips and Science Actor had some

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Speaker 2: American people should benefit from profits. However, because this is

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Speaker 2: just see the way Trump would use this way to

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, we'll see. I mean, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like with the tariffs, right in general. Do I support

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Speaker 2: some you know, protectionist policy and key industries. Sure, does

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Speaker 2: this man execute that in any sort of like a

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Speaker 4: In his own interests.

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Speaker 2: It's all about him having him personally having more power, money, influence, control.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why I can't totally be like, let's.

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Speaker 4: Go with this. Some of the same resumes some.

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Speaker 3: Crime reservation, right, Like I said, all they got to

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Speaker 3: do is build a gold chip and give it to

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't need to make anything.

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Speaker 3: Else here, But I still think it's worth fighting because

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Speaker 3: is basically grants Endvidia and AMD. As long as they

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Speaker 3: pay their ten percent to the US government, they get

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Speaker 3: to do business in China. No, we decide whether you

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Speaker 3: in a nutshell. Have you ever noticed every time you

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Speaker 3: the word say? It says designed by Apple in California,

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Speaker 3: Designed by Apple in California, manufactured in Guangzhou, shang, you

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Speaker 1: Same thing with all these chips.

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Speaker 3: The reason Nvidia and an AMD are so massively profitable

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Speaker 3: which we're great at.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: We have all the world's talent and we design all

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Speaker 3: This isn't to say, a whole endorsement of the Chinese model,

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Speaker 2: I mean the number of people that China has lift

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Speaker 4: Its crazy, genuinely an economic miracle.

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Speaker 2: However, do we think that Trump with Howard Lutnik and

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Speaker 2: course not. And so on the one hand, look, I

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Speaker 2: well they sort of laid down the marker here. We

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Speaker 5: There's no national security justification for this. In fact, I

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Speaker 5: my god, people, what have we been fighting for for

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Speaker 5: the last decade? You want smaller government. This expands it.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's no such thing as permanence in politics

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Speaker 2: We'll see now it all pans out, I will say,

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Speaker 1: That is how you move up in a pole. Yeah's go,

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Speaker 2: All right, right, Matt, I'm like, every ray's having a

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Speaker 1: Here we have Eric Adams was on the screen.

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Speaker 3: He says, quote a lifetime of hard work versus a

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Speaker 3: silver spoon. The results speak for themselves. The weight of

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Speaker 3: the job is too heavy for mom scrawny. The only

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Speaker 3: thing he can lift is your taxes. And I believe

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Speaker 3: Andrew Cuomo has weighed in as well.

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Speaker 6: D three.

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Speaker 3: Please let's put it up there on the screen. What

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Speaker 3: have we got, Andrew Cuomo. It's easy to talk, it's

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Speaker 3: hard to carry the burden. This guy can't bench his

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Speaker 3: own body weight, let it alone carry the weight of

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Speaker 3: leading the most important city in the world. I actually

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Speaker 3: do want to know how much Coomo can bench because

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Speaker 3: if you'll remember, his nipples were often very prominent shirts

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Speaker 3: during COVID.

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Speaker 4: I really comment that Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, listen, here's right.

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Speaker 4: You know he's running post for truity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. It's gross. All right, it's gross.

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Speaker 3: Put a damn you know, put a jacket on, man,

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Speaker 3: if that's your physique. Anyway, this is this has gone

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Speaker 3: quite viral for mister Zoron, So anyway, I am curious.

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Speaker 1: I do want to know what Coo could be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's and whether Adams is on TRT because

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Speaker 3: sixty four lifting a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm skeptical personally.

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Speaker 2: There's a whole dynamic in this campaign that's also like

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Speaker 2: a meme of them trying to like come up with

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Speaker 2: the silliest scandals for Zoran, like there was that whole

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Speaker 2: number of thing about like his college admissions and the

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Speaker 2: box he checked and whatever, all that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 2: or the other thing that like the New York Post

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Speaker 2: loves to do is they love to pull the DSA

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Speaker 2: platform and find something in that and be like, so

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Speaker 2: On supports this. I just even when he didn't say anything, I.

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Speaker 1: Literally just felt for that. It was the headline was like.

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Speaker 4: Zoron once a British misdemeanors and.

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, what an idiot. And I started

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Speaker 1: reading it. I was like, wait, this is the DSA platform.

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Speaker 4: He's not the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't say anything about that, but they'll just

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Speaker 2: pull anything from the DSA platform anyway.

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Speaker 4: So I do think this fits a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit in that vein of like finding the silliest possible

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Speaker 2: going to their flat.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just funny. I mean, it's personally fun.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm gonna I don't bench press at

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Speaker 3: the gym. My trainer doesn't have me do it because

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Speaker 3: he thinks it makes him very injury prone.

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Speaker 1: But I have spoken to him and I will be

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Speaker 1: doing the one.

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Speaker 3: Thirty five challenge, even though I don't think I've done

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Speaker 3: bench press in two years. But I'm gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: It would be pretty embarrassing if I couldn't consider it

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Speaker 3: a recording my body. Yeah, sure, I'll post a video.

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Speaker 3: I'll do it here. I'll do the bench press challenge.

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Speaker 3: I happily will three. This is just one plate on

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Speaker 3: each side. I mean for my size and body weight,

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Speaker 3: I believe I should be able to do two twenty five.

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Speaker 3: That's like you're host, Isn't that the metric You're supposed

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Speaker 3: to able to bench your own body weight. The one

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Speaker 3: guy who is the goat in this is Jamal Bowman,

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Speaker 3: who we've had show because he benched four hundred pounds.

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Speaker 3: That's impressive, man, That is very strong. That is genuinely,

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Speaker 3: like shockingly impressive.

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Speaker 4: He is very strong.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should book Jamal to give us a breakdown

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Speaker 2: on all of this supporter that's.

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Speaker 3: Right, n supporter who can bench four hundred Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Actually we should, especially on his form because again I

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Speaker 3: don't know enough about his form or whatever to see.

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Speaker 4: If it's Jamal Bowman.

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Speaker 2: Also, he's it's we had him on KKF and we

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Speaker 2: had him on our live stream when we're on when

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Speaker 2: the primary, and he's just in his like giving zero

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Speaker 2: fox mode too. So he's fun to talk to right

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Speaker 2: now because he will just spill all the tea about

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Speaker 2: what he'saw in Congress and his interactions with APAC and

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Speaker 2: all of that. So in any case it'd be fun

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Speaker 2: to hear his thoughts on the race more broadly. At

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Speaker 2: the same time, we've got to yet another genuine corruption

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Speaker 2: scandal with regard to Eric Adams. The details of this

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Speaker 2: are soap preposters. We can put the up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: So he has this lady who's affiliated with his campaign,

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Speaker 2: who does outreach to the Chinese American community in the city.

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Speaker 2: And so apparently after some event she said, you know,

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Speaker 2: she said, oh, meet me over at the Whole Foods

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Speaker 2: because I want to give you something. And so this

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Speaker 2: reporter walks over with Greco as the Chinese American lady

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Speaker 2: who's the advocate for Adams, and it says while inside

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Speaker 2: this door, Greco handed the reporter an open bag of

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Speaker 2: chips with the top crumpled closed. The reporter thought it

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Speaker 2: was an offer of a light snack and told Greco

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Speaker 2: more than once she could not accept the chips, but

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Speaker 2: Greco insisted that she keep them. The two parted ways

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Speaker 2: before entering a nearby subway station. The reporter opens the

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Speaker 2: bag and discovers a red envelope inside, stuffed with cash

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Speaker 2: at least one one hundred dollars bill several twenties. Reporter

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Speaker 2: then called Greco and said, I can't accept this money.

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Speaker 2: Asked if she was still nearby so she could give

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Speaker 2: it back. Greco said she left the area. Reporter told

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Speaker 2: her she had to take the money back. Greco said

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Speaker 2: they could meet at some point in Chinatown. Reporter then

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Speaker 2: texted Greco, I can't take this. When can I give

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Speaker 2: it back to you? She did not get a response.

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Speaker 2: In an interview later Wednesday, the city that's this publication

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Speaker 2: asked Grego what her intention was in handing money to

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Speaker 2: the reporter. In response, she'd said she'd made a mistake

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Speaker 2: and apologized over and over and actually her specific comments

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Speaker 2: are really funny here. I don't know if we have them,

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Speaker 2: but I'll go I'll just go ahead and read them

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Speaker 2: because her explanation was kind of entertaining. She says, quote,

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Speaker 2: I make a mistake. I'm so sorry. It's a culture thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand. I'm so sorry. I

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Speaker 2: feel so bad right now. I'm so sorry, honey. Then

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Speaker 2: she called the city back, advising that we call her attorney,

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Speaker 2: Steven Brill, and adding quote, can we forget about this?

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Speaker 2: I tried to be a good person. Please, please, please

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Speaker 2: don't do in the news. Nothing about me. I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to be her friend. I just wanted to have

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Speaker 2: one good friend. It's nothing.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Another age of sale is put Eric Adams responsive on

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Speaker 2: the stainless guy. You just can't make it up D five.

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Speaker 2: So there were some other issues with the same Chinese

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Speaker 2: American lady. There was like she roped a campaign volunteer

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Speaker 2: into helping her remodel her home. She lived at some

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Speaker 2: hotel for months at a time that was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be for formerly incarcerated people. There's all kinds of stuff

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Speaker 2: going on with this lady. In any case, when Mayor

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Speaker 2: Adams was asked about these findings previously, he deflected and

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Speaker 2: downplayed his relationship to Greco, saying he hadn't spoken to

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Speaker 2: her about the allegations. When I see her, I say

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Speaker 2: mehow you know that's hello, he told the press. So

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Speaker 2: that was that was his explanation.

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Speaker 3: About what wasn't her defense. Also, she's like, I'm Chinese.

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Speaker 3: That's just part of our culture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like just like Cuomo's Italian. So he's not

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Speaker 2: a sexual harasser. He's just Italian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, little dicey there. Also, if you're gonna bribe somebody,

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Speaker 1: you gotta do more Thane hundred and forty books. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: These are you know, there's partners. It's tough times. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's tough times. The news industries in free fall. A

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Speaker 2: couple hundred bucks I can make a difference.

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Speaker 1: Adams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just one of the greatest ever do it.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss him.

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Speaker 2: He was still the cartoonish level of corruption with this man.

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Speaker 2: I long ago lost. Count Ross Barkin could break it

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Speaker 2: down for us of the number of aides who were

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Speaker 2: indicted under investigation. This lady herself had previously been under investigation.

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Speaker 2: I think she had like an FBI rre in her

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Speaker 2: stuff sees previously, if memory serves correctly. But it's just,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's just it's like a throwback, you know

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Speaker 2: to the old school, decades ago levels of big city

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Speaker 2: machine level corruption. And there was one other thing that

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Speaker 2: was interesting about this, which is after the city gets

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Speaker 2: there bag of cash and reports it all out and

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Speaker 2: reports her to whatever the Ethics Commission is, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: or law enforcement, then the New York Times publishes this piece.

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Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, reporters also saw cash being exchanged in

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Speaker 2: these envelopes from the campaign, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Like, why didn't why didn't you write that? Totally? I agree,

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Speaker 1: that is the sketuch.

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Speaker 2: Weird, right, I just totally lag you. Just corruptions just

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Speaker 2: so assumed to be a part of the Adam's campaign

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Speaker 2: that they didn't even find it newsworthy.

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Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of corrupt shit here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: I actually have never seen cash change hands. That's the

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Speaker 3: one thing where everything is supposed to be you know, oh,

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Speaker 3: here's some free drinks, and here's a free dinner, and

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Speaker 3: you get to come to this and oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you're on your way there, you can ride on

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Speaker 3: my jet if you want. Everything is supposed to be soft,

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Speaker 3: like you're not supposed to be able to prove it.

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Speaker 3: Actual cash exchanging hands is wild. That's like Tammany Hall

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Speaker 3: level stuff.

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Speaker 2: Adams, he just needs to launch his own shit coin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: People can just fuddle him cash via that, because that's

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Speaker 2: apparently a thing that politicians can do now, no problem whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: So Zorn as a little tongue in cheek response to

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Speaker 2: this latest scandal from Eric Adams, and also just I

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Speaker 2: guess because they came up with this idea. He actually

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Speaker 2: did a city wide scavener hunt over the weekend, and

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Speaker 2: here is how he announced that.

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Speaker 7: Hello, my friends, I have to come clean. I have

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Speaker 7: something to hide. Many things is back because we're doing

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Speaker 7: a scavenger hunt. No, no, no, actually, we are doing a

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Speaker 7: scavenger hunt across from New York City. When you arrive

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Speaker 7: at the location, look for a campaign volunteer. We will

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Speaker 7: mark off your card and give you a clue to

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Speaker 7: the next location. At the first stop, you'll get this card.

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Speaker 7: At the final stop, you'll find a special surprise, not

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Speaker 7: a lot of cash, so make sure you go all

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Speaker 7: the way to the end.

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Speaker 2: So for those of you again are just listening, he

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Speaker 2: starts with like the bag of chips, and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I've got something to hide.

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Speaker 4: Here a reference.

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Speaker 2: It's the same type of chip in which the envelope

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Speaker 2: of cash had been stuffed, So that's a reference there

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 4: But I love this scavenger hunt thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like millennial cringe, I guess people

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Speaker 2: are saying, but I support it. I love the celebration

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Speaker 2: of New York. That's really a key ethos of the

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Speaker 2: Zoron campaign. It's personally making me very like nostalgic for

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Speaker 2: the city of New York and for the time period

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Speaker 2: that I lived there.

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Speaker 4: And apparently there's a huge response.

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Speaker 2: We could put this up on the screen that images

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Speaker 2: while you say what you thought about it.

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Speaker 4: On the one hand, thousands of people who showed up

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Speaker 4: for this.

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Speaker 3: On the one hand, scavenger hunds, Pokemon go and all

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Speaker 3: of this stuff is deeply cringe and millennial.

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Speaker 1: On the other we do have a crisis.

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Speaker 3: Of community and people going outside and doing things, So

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Speaker 3: I guess that's awesome. It's kind of like wome, kind

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Speaker 3: of like what's it called, like pickleball? You know, the

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Speaker 3: people in the tennis community really hate pickleball because it's

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Speaker 3: taking over the courts and all of that, but it's

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Speaker 3: the fastest growing sport in the country. I agree it

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Speaker 3: looks silly. Every time I played, I feel a bit silly.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of.

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Speaker 3: Fun as Zero buried an entry, and you know, anything

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Speaker 3: that gets people moving, gets outside, it's probably a good thing.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, sorry tennis people, your courts were seizing them,

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Speaker 3: were taking them over, And I feel similarly about this personally.

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Speaker 3: I do think scavenger hunting is cringe I would not engage,

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Speaker 3: but you know, it gets people to If it gets

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Speaker 3: people outside, I guess people doing something go.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite things to do when I lived

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Speaker 2: in the city was just to explore New York because

676
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Speaker 2: you could explore that city and five burrows for your

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Speaker 2: entire life and constantly every time find something new, interesting, unexpected,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. So in the spirit of that, I am

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Speaker 2: a full supporter of the Zoran Scavenger.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, you know, we didn't say the

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Speaker 3: we didn't say that everything wouldn't be cringed, but it

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Speaker 3: can also be good, so you know, you never know,

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Speaker 3: all right, Chrystal, what are you taking a look at?

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Speaker 4: Last week?

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Speaker 2: You unbacked experts with the IPC or Integrated Food Security

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Speaker 2: Classification System officially declared Gaza City in a state of

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Speaker 2: man made famine, only in the fourth such declaration made

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Speaker 2: in that organization's history. Here you can see the steady

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Speaker 2: rise in those facing emergency levels of food insecurity and

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Speaker 2: catastrophic levels of food and security. Already, Gaza City has

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Speaker 2: reached that organization's metrics for an official famine declaration, with

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Speaker 2: thirty five percent of households at that catastrophic mark. And

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Speaker 2: another fifty five percent at the emergency level. The other

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Speaker 2: regions of the Gaza Strip are also on track for

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Speaker 2: famine if a ceasefire and surge in aid is not

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Speaker 2: immediately achieved. With conditions worsening everywhere, the authors of the

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Speaker 2: report sounded a dire warning, saying, quote, if a ceasefire

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Speaker 2: is not implemented to allow humanitarian aid to reach everyone

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Speaker 2: in the Gaza Strip, and if essential food supplies and

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Speaker 2: basic health, nutrition, and sanitation and water services are not

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Speaker 2: restored immediately, avoidable deaths will increase exponentially. Now, will Israel

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Speaker 2: use this official report to take a step back, reflect

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Speaker 2: on how they could have lost their way so badly

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Speaker 2: as to go from genocide victims to genocide perpetrators in

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Speaker 2: just a few generations, or even just to consider with

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Speaker 2: shame the way that they've torched the reputation as a

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Speaker 2: civilized nation, with the entire rest of the world obviously not. Instead,

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Speaker 2: they wage an immediate all out war to try to

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Speaker 2: deny the veracity of this assessment. Pseudoscience propaganda reports were crafted.

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Speaker 2: Net Nahoo, of course called it a blood libel, and

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Speaker 2: official Israeli Hasbara influencers were dispatched to debunk the claims,

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Speaker 2: but the real high IQ genocide denial take came directly

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Speaker 2: from the Israel Twitter account. Here they claim that the

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Speaker 2: IBC lowered their standard to fifteen percent malnutrition in order

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Speaker 2: to unjustly smear Israel. Quote in other countries, the IBC

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Speaker 2: declares famine at thirty percent malnutrition. In Gaza only, the

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Speaker 2: UN backed IPC lowered the bar to fifteen percent, and

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Speaker 2: it is based on unreliable data. They didn't find famine,

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Speaker 2: so they forged one. This, of course, is total and

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Speaker 2: complete bullshit, a made up lie to deflect and to

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Speaker 2: confuse you. Refugees International President Jeremy Kanandike posted an excellent

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Speaker 2: thread to explain the trick that Israel is trying to pull.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: He points out that first of all, the exact same

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Speaker 2: metric was used for declaring famine and Sudan just last year,

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Speaker 2: so right out of the gate, this whole bl blood libel,

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Speaker 2: anti semitism double standard claim from Israel is completely blown up.

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Speaker 2: The TLDR is this There are two different assessments which

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Speaker 2: can be used to determine famine conditions, both of which

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Speaker 2: have been used by the IPC in the past. One

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Speaker 2: is weight for height, which is basically a BMI metric,

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Speaker 2: and the other is MUAC or mid upper arms circumference.

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Speaker 2: Connandike writes that both are valid ways of assessing global

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Speaker 2: acute malnutrition in a population and in line with IBC guidance,

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Speaker 2: Mid upper arms circumference is often used when assessors have

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Speaker 2: limited access, as is the case in Gaza due to

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Speaker 2: Israel's decimation of the healthcare system and attacks on international

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Speaker 2: aid workers. These two different metrics also have two different

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Speaker 2: thresholds for famine designation. Here so you know is the

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Speaker 2: relevant chart. You can see that for the BMI Weight

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Speaker 2: for height metric, thirty percent of children must be boundurished

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Speaker 2: for it to be deemed a famine. For the mid

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Speaker 2: upper arms circumference TAP, the threshold for Phase five famine

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Speaker 2: is fifteen percent of children, which is what was met

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Speaker 2: in Gaza City. As to why the different tests merit

746
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Speaker 2: different thresholds, Kanandike writes the following quote because they measure

747
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Speaker 2: different physical characteristics.

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Speaker 4: Weight for height and.

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Speaker 2: MUAC often manifest at different levels within the same population.

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Speaker 2: A lower MUAC usually equates to a higher weight for

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Speaker 2: height GAM that's a famine measurement. Hence the different thresholds

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Speaker 2: of fifteen percent and thirty percent, so essentially mid upper

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Speaker 2: arm circumference is a more stringent criteria, So if you're

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Speaker 2: seeing fifteen percent in trouble using that criteria, you would

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Speaker 2: likely have measured more than thirty percent if you were

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Speaker 2: able to do a full weight for height assessment.

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Speaker 4: The Israelis are not stupid. They know all of this.

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Speaker 2: They're just hoping you are stupid and that you won't

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Speaker 2: look past their surface level assertions and that the process

760
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Speaker 2: is rigged, or to be so terrified about being accused

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Speaker 2: of anti Semitism that you will back down at the

762
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Speaker 2: first challenge. There are other high ACU genocide denile claims, though,

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Speaker 2: and they are similarly dishonest. Israel claims that Gaza City

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Speaker 2: did not yet actually cross even that fifteen percent assessed

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Speaker 2: child malnutrition threshold as required in July. In fact, the

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Speaker 2: report breaks July into two halves. In the second half

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Speaker 2: of July, the threshold was in fact breached, clearly demonstrating

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Speaker 2: the trend is towards worsening conditions and that the most

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Speaker 2: recent data is in fact indicative of phase five famine.

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Speaker 2: Israel also claims that Gaza has not met the threshold

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Speaker 2: for famine based on the number of deaths from starvation. Here, too,

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Speaker 2: they are lying and they are gas lighting Hue. The

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Speaker 2: IPC standards take into account all famine related deaths, not

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Speaker 2: solely those in which the sole cause is starvation. As

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Speaker 2: Nir Hassan writes for Haretz quote, mass hunger is not

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Speaker 2: only a medical issue caused by food shortage. It is

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Speaker 2: a total collapse of the systems that sustained life. Elderly

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Speaker 2: people and infants die because their immune systems are weakened.

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Speaker 2: They suffer infections from living intense with sewage or clean water. Chronically,

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Speaker 2: ill patients died because they cannot access treatment or special food,

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Speaker 2: or are too weak to travel to clinics. Premature bursts

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00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: and pregnancy complications are rising, and this is only a

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Speaker 2: partial list. In other words, ignoring those deaths in which

784
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Speaker 2: starvation was a contributing factor is the equivalent of claiming

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00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: that there was no Holocaust because actually Ann Frank died

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Speaker 2: of typhus. But this is far from the only area

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Speaker 2: whereas Raeli propagandas echoed the despicable claims of Nazis and

788
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Speaker 2: Holocaust deniers. The Israeli government has been busy pushing their

789
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Speaker 2: influencer cutouts to back up all of their genocide denial.

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Speaker 2: According to Haretz, the Israeli Diaspora Affairs Ministry sponsored influencers

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Speaker 2: to take pr trips to the ghf Aid massacre sites,

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Speaker 2: where they, of course dutifully reported back that all was

793
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: well and no one was starving. Propagandasts like Al Yakabi

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00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: have been busily reposting videos purporting to show Gaza grocery

795
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Speaker 2: stores chalk full of food and Palestinia out there enjoying

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00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: lavish spreads of food. You should be very skeptical of

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Speaker 2: all of these photos and videos. There have been a

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Speaker 2: bunch of instances where they were actually old videos or

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Speaker 2: for somewhere else entirely, but even when they are actually

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Speaker 2: from Gaza in the present day, they prove nothing, and

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Speaker 2: as zed Jalani writes, they come straight out of the

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Speaker 2: playbook of Holocaust denial, drawing the parallel zed rights of

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Speaker 2: the way a few restaurants in the Warso Ghetto were

804
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: used to claim that Jews were not only just fine,

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Speaker 2: but they were actually gluttonous.

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Speaker 6: Quote.

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Speaker 2: The Nazis didn't have access to social media, but they

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Speaker 2: did have cameras. They used these restaurants in the ghetto

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Speaker 2: to portray an image of Jews getting fat off of

810
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Speaker 2: plentiful food, ignoring the mass hunger and violence that gripped

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Speaker 2: ordinary life in the ghetto. The following is the recollection

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Speaker 2: from Samuel Peterman, who was there. The guests were supposed

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Speaker 2: to eat a lot voraciously and wash down the food

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Speaker 2: with alcohol.

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Speaker 4: He said.

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Speaker 2: They were filming waiters bustling around the tables laden with

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Speaker 2: trays on which gourmet delicacies were piled up. They photographed

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Speaker 2: the general view of the crowded rooms, single ladies who

819
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: were ordered to lift up their dresses high, Jews eating

820
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Speaker 2: sardines from the can with their fingers, Jews playing under

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Speaker 2: the table with the bare calves of the female companions

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Speaker 2: of the libation. Jews throwing half eaten goose quarters under

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Speaker 2: the table. The film reel did not show fainting women

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Speaker 2: and the black and blue faces of people hit with

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00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: a whip. Jacobi and his elk are pulling the same

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Speaker 2: detestable trick, showing a few decadent looking scenes and claiming

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Speaker 2: this is remotely representative, daring you to disbelieve the doctors,

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Speaker 2: the experts, Palestinians themselves and what you can see with

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Speaker 2: your own eyes, on your own timeline every single day.

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Speaker 2: Haretz did a virtual tour recently of Gaza hospitals, and

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Speaker 2: they found exactly the horrific conditions you would expect among

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Speaker 2: the trapped, starved, bombed population. Child after child with bones

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00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: jutting out, abdomens, distended, full body rashes from the diarrhea

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Speaker 2: caused by malnutrition and poor sanitation. There's little Amar, an

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Speaker 2: infant whose hair was faded to a reddish brown, whose

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Speaker 2: mom was too starved to breastfeed and too poor to

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Speaker 2: purchase the one hundred dollars per tin formula, so she

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00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: fed him all that she had corn starch in water.

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Speaker 2: Doctor say, if he survives, his brain will be permanently

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Speaker 2: damaged and he will suffer life long, severe retardation. There's Sham,

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Speaker 2: a tiny two year old weighing less than ten pounds.

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Speaker 2: She was a healthy child just before October seventh. Now

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00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: her body is wasted, her face is that of an

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Speaker 2: old man. Her family too, could find no milk substitute

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Speaker 2: for her. The doctor caring for Sham said, quote, as

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Speaker 2: you can see, she's in a miserable situation. She's always crying,

847
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: she's always suffering. Tell me they aren't real, you sick freaks,

848
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: you disgusting monsters. Tell me I'm an anti semi for

849
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Speaker 2: believing that their lives matter too. Your lives, you're gas lighting.

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Speaker 2: Your number games are so paper thin. I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: you even find them convincing yourselves. I hope that these

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00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: babies whose lives you've stolen haunt you for the rest

853
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Speaker 2: of your days. You are utterly disgusting and a disgrace

854
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: to humanity, Sager. I have lost words to describe how

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Speaker 2: despicable I find this game that they're playing.

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Speaker 4: I hate that I had to spend And if.

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Speaker 3: You want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become

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Speaker 3: a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. Very excited

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Speaker 3: now to be joined by Shahed Garashi is a former

860
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Speaker 3: State Department employee who was summarily fired recently. Let's go

861
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Speaker 3: and put this up there on the screen. Fired this

862
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Speaker 3: official over internal debates over Israel. Gharaishi recommended expressing condolences

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Speaker 3: for slain journalists in Gaza and exposing the forced displacement

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Speaker 3: of Palestinians, According to documents reviewed. He was then fired

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Speaker 3: days later or so, Shi, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us on the show.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's start off with the top. You're

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Speaker 3: recently fired from the State Department. The State Department says

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Speaker 3: that they won't comment, but they're basically accusing you of leaking.

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Speaker 3: It appears that a lot of this comes down to

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Speaker 3: internal debates over Israel. First and foremost was about this

874
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Speaker 3: journalist statement. So why don't you describe this statement what

875
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Speaker 3: it was and why do you think got it what

876
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 3: it got you fired?

877
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Speaker 6: Sure?

878
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 8: So Sunday, August tenth, we got the breaking news that

879
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Speaker 8: on Us and his colleagues were killed in Gaza while

880
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 8: sleeping in a tent. It's very common when you're in

881
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Speaker 8: a press officer to receive one off questions from reporters.

882
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 6: So we got on submitted is what's the response? The

883
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 6: general open ended?

884
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Speaker 3: Somebody like me is like, hey, what's the departmentere Governments

885
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: really exactly?

886
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 8: And when you're reading an article, you will often read

887
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 8: a State Department spokesperson said X. That's usual, just us

888
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 8: emailing one of the press office, emailing the off ed

889
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Speaker 8: or the journalist, and so in that specific instance, I drafted,

890
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 8: we're still gathering information. It's still true, like it just broke.

891
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Speaker 8: And my second bullet was we are sharing condunces, which

892
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Speaker 8: is I think a human and response is also in

893
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Speaker 8: line with us interests, like we do want to have

894
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Speaker 8: that line out there. And immediately I was told that

895
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Speaker 8: we don't know what happened and we don't know what

896
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Speaker 8: he did, so to pause. And then by tomorrow, by

897
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Speaker 8: the next day, August eleventh, which was a Monday, Israel

898
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Speaker 8: said that he was Hamas and then that was the

899
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Speaker 8: line we ended up going with by the press briefing.

900
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Speaker 1: Okay, and so that how did that lead to your firing?

901
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 6: I think this is the first right.

902
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 8: I think it was a build up, So it was

903
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Speaker 8: that was the Sunday Monday, I drafted a line saying

904
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Speaker 8: we were against forced displacement of Gazans to South Sudan.

905
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Speaker 8: They cut that line out and I think that was

906
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Speaker 8: some sort of flag for them as well. And then

907
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Speaker 8: by day three, I think the nail in the coffin

908
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Speaker 8: was me removing the line in reference to Judaan's Maria

909
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Speaker 8: in my press guidance that was not in line with

910
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Speaker 8: anything in State department had been saying at the time,

911
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Speaker 8: but it's something that the senior officials at MBACY Jerusalem wanted.

912
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Speaker 8: So at that point it was I was flagged up

913
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Speaker 8: and by Sunday I was gone.

914
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Speaker 2: Which senior officials and what is your did they directly

915
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Speaker 2: sort of confront you about these about you, you know,

916
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: expressing condolences for journalists and saying, okay, it's the West Bank,

917
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Speaker 2: not ju Day and Sabaria.

918
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: By the way, what is your?

919
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: How did you gain the understanding that those are the

920
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Speaker 2: reasons why they let you go?

921
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 8: Sure, so some of it's obviously the Washing Post reporting,

922
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Speaker 8: but from my end, it was David Milstein that was

923
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Speaker 8: often pushing a particular agenda in the building and.

924
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Speaker 4: This is hucks senior advisor, okay.

925
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Speaker 6: And he would often.

926
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Speaker 8: Ask for certain lines or certain statements, I know, the

927
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Speaker 8: Washing Post reported on the island statement, and he would

928
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Speaker 8: go around the building try to get this through, and

929
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Speaker 8: it was in a more basic level, was very annoying

930
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Speaker 8: to like navigate his his requests in that particular instance

931
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Speaker 8: with the Judaan's Mary line, that's not a line a

932
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Speaker 8: bass Huckabee is using it. But it wasn't common for

933
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Speaker 8: anyone in DC to use.

934
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Speaker 3: It explain why what does that matter to Samara versus

935
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Speaker 3: West Bank and Gosa.

936
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Speaker 8: Because that was as a rature for the Palacitians living

937
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Speaker 8: in the West Bank, and it also really undermines our

938
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Speaker 8: relationship with our partners in the region. And also the

939
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Speaker 8: third it's for an Israeli audience, So it makes sense

940
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Speaker 8: for Master Huck we do want to use those terms. Sure,

941
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Speaker 8: And at that point I wasn't the only one in

942
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Speaker 8: the ability that wanted that removed, and so I went

943
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Speaker 8: in cut that line, the line we had been using

944
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Speaker 8: for the West Bank, which was, you know, a very

945
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Speaker 8: general response. It was like, we support stability in the

946
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Speaker 8: West Bank, which protects is really security, and saying we

947
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Speaker 8: support stability in the West Bank could be perceived with

948
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Speaker 8: someone who is a pro Israel hardliner as like, somehow

949
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Speaker 8: maybe if you're in that mindset condemning Israel because like, oh,

950
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Speaker 8: you're sitting up, we're not, We're making.

951
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Speaker 6: Unstable by doing these things.

952
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Speaker 8: I think that's how it's perceived, even though I think

953
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Speaker 8: it's a very standard, kind of simple line. And by

954
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Speaker 8: the next day, Wednesday, I was asked by people in

955
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Speaker 8: the spokesperson's office that who draft who tried to draft

956
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Speaker 8: that line, and they wanted to connect with millstein to

957
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Speaker 8: discuss it around me. So if they're having discussions with

958
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Speaker 8: Millsteine on Wednesday, and those three events happened in a row,

959
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Speaker 8: and then on Thursday and Friday, which was my last,

960
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Speaker 8: happened to me the last two days, I didn't know.

961
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Speaker 8: It was odd. The question I was receiving from senior

962
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Speaker 8: number of people in leadership in NEA twice once Thursday

963
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Speaker 8: and again Friday morning was where did that lineup Monday

964
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Speaker 8: come from? About force displacement? I was like that line

965
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Speaker 8: on Monday, I was like, four days ago, Why are

966
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Speaker 8: people asking about it four days later? And I was

967
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Speaker 8: asked to compile like an entire history of where like

968
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Speaker 8: the evidence of how I cleared it? And I was like,

969
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Speaker 8: I have evidence of clearing this, and Special Envoy Wikoff

970
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Speaker 8: and President Trump technically said something similar in the spring.

971
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Speaker 8: So I'm very in line with what the administration had

972
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Speaker 8: been saying. But that seemed to be the excuse at

973
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Speaker 8: that point.

974
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Speaker 2: Can you explain what is your understanding of what the

975
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: administration's policy is viz a vi Gaza.

976
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Speaker 8: Well, that's it's a good question, because I'm moving forward

977
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Speaker 8: with my firing, I think it's going to become even

978
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Speaker 8: more radical, which is I know, shocking, but I think

979
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Speaker 8: the language is going to lean into terms like Judae

980
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Speaker 8: and Samaria or are maybe more passive on these force

981
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Speaker 8: displacement I think cleansing rumors that are coming through. So

982
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Speaker 8: that's my concern moving forward now. In the past, on

983
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Speaker 8: West Bank or Tuesday Solution, we only have a straight response.

984
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 8: It was always hey, what's the review on Tuesday solution?

985
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 8: And it would be something like President Trump understands how

986
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Speaker 8: I don't.

987
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 6: I can't.

988
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 8: I want to use the right word, but it was

989
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 8: just something like, it's messy, so we're not there right now.

990
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 8: We need things, we need to release hostages and get

991
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 8: a right thing settled.

992
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 4: So basically a deflection, a deflection.

993
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so now that you have been fired, you

994
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: can speak freely.

995
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: How long have you worked at Day?

996
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 8: How long we were to say, September twenty twenty four

997
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Speaker 8: was when I started. Okay, I started as the this

998
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 8: is not what I was technically hired for, but because

999
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 8: of capacity shoes, I ended up covering Lebanon, Jordan Press

1000
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 8: right off the bat, which was a very quick start

1001
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 8: because Lebanon was very hot at the time.

1002
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Speaker 6: Got it.

1003
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 8: And then then in January I was officially asked to

1004
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Speaker 8: cover Israel pastine affairs, which was odd. As a contractor

1005
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Speaker 8: I had just started. You don't typically put that person

1006
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Speaker 8: covering that.

1007
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Speaker 4: Because it's very sensitive, so for your own person.

1008
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: So basically what i'd heard is, oh, he's a Democrat,

1009
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: of course you fired him.

1010
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's your response to that?

1011
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 8: That's not true because day to day, if I was

1012
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 8: an activist in the building, even the quote that Tommy

1013
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 8: used the Washington Post piece that I was some activist,

1014
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 8: I would have been fired much quicker. If this to

1015
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 8: be short, like if I was going in fighting in

1016
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Speaker 8: every single line, that would have hit up really quick

1017
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 8: red flags.

1018
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 6: I did. There were flags I did make.

1019
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 8: I would go up to leadership and be like hey,

1020
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 8: like on the podium because I'm only controlling press lands,

1021
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 8: I have no influence or policy. I'm just gutrolling language, right,

1022
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 8: So give me an example of like the yeah, like

1023
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 8: what something you would flag?

1024
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 6: I was thinking about.

1025
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 8: Flag on the day to day lines. It was difficult

1026
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 8: because I'm going through a clearance process. But I would

1027
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 8: look back, I would look at the guidance, and I'd

1028
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 8: be like, this is pretty hard line, and I would

1029
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 8: briefit like I was doing my job. At the same time,

1030
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 8: I would go behind the scenes and be like, hey,

1031
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 8: these lines are at the very least they're not very empathetic,

1032
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 8: Like when we're discussing fame in a month ago. I

1033
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 8: was worried that the language was just like you can

1034
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 8: if you want to do a hard line language of

1035
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Speaker 8: the podium, you can acknowledge that you're seeing horrific photos

1036
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Speaker 8: before you make your argument. But that was even happening.

1037
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 8: So I was like, we on the strategic level, there's

1038
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 8: a moral imperative, but on a strategic level, it just

1039
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 8: it looks parable at the podium.

1040
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about that moral imperative.

1041
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: We can put this next element up on the screen.

1042
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: I suspect you probably have seen this news this morning.

1043
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: This is just horrific video of these are a combination

1044
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: of journalists in medical work, personnel, and people who are

1045
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: there trying to rescue people who are on the scene.

1046
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: This is a double tap strike. There's been a document

1047
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Speaker 2: history of the idf using these double tap strikes, not

1048
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: only to kill whoever they originally wanted to kill, but

1049
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Speaker 2: then to kill any rescuers who are coming to the scene,

1050
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: something that's been reported out you obviously part of what

1051
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: got you in trouble was just the very basic, Hey,

1052
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: we express condolences for these journalists who were killed, and

1053
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: we know there have been hundreds of journalists who have

1054
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: been killed in the context of you know, of the

1055
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: Israelis targeting them inside of Gaza. How is a professional

1056
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: Did you grapple with your own, you know, sort of

1057
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: moral standing on this topic. And I don't say this

1058
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 2: puts you on the spot. I'm just genuinely curious, like

1059
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: day to day as someone who's trying to go in

1060
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 2: there and do the best you can and figure out, Okay,

1061
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: what is theration saying and what is our line for journalists?

1062
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: How are you absorbing those images and how are you

1063
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: thinking about your own sort of role in this capability.

1064
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Speaker 6: It's a very good question.

1065
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Speaker 8: And in terms of like the personal views, they're they're

1066
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Speaker 8: not wrong and said show it as often a day

1067
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Speaker 8: to day when I was doing my job, So it

1068
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Speaker 8: was it was an issue and it was something that

1069
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Speaker 8: like particular colleagues, we would discuss because I wasn't the

1070
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Speaker 8: only one because it could be the Israel file, but

1071
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 8: it could be another one too throughout the building. So

1072
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 8: there was there was two I think response to that one,

1073
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Speaker 8: like I said to the last thing, was I was

1074
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Speaker 8: like flagged with people in leadership that I would trust

1075
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Speaker 8: that certain try to make small changes. I do think

1076
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Speaker 8: those small chaines do matter, not just because you're an

1077
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 8: activist in the building, but because it's in line with

1078
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 8: us interest Because you can just be outside protesting, but

1079
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 8: you're not. You're just outside, right, So I think that's

1080
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 8: that's important to have that balance. And then two, this

1081
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Speaker 8: is a very more strategic response that I stepped back

1082
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 8: and looked at President Trump's words, and if you look,

1083
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Speaker 8: we started with a ceasefire in that context and in

1084
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Speaker 8: the region, we were talking with the Iranians for example.

1085
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 8: So I had on a macro level some hopes that

1086
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 8: even though these lines are difficult right now, in this moment,

1087
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Speaker 8: there could be a chance that something could come about.

1088
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Speaker 8: But it was getting worse, not better by the summer,

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Speaker 8: because by June we're bombing Iran and now the EMBc

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Speaker 8: Jerusalem really took over the pushback that I did see

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Speaker 8: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that because that's what I'm curious about.

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Speaker 3: There has been a flipping right in the initial policy

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Speaker 3: from ceasefire, talking with the Iranians, rocking with Putin to

1095
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: now it's like the opposite. So you talk about there

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Speaker 3: are the embassy in Jerusalem, what was your observation having

1097
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 3: seen that from the inside, how did we go from

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00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 3: Steve Wikoff constantly going to Doha and talking about ceasefires

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Speaker 3: or meeting with the Iranians, so then using that is

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Speaker 3: cover to bomb them and then also for basically allowing

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Speaker 3: my Kakabi to have carte blanche over the Israel policy.

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Speaker 6: That's good question.

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Speaker 8: So on the White House level, I can't say, because

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Speaker 8: President Trump I don't know what phone calls he's having

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00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 8: day to day that like that's shifting his direction. But

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00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 8: on my end, what I'm noticing is people were I

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00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 8: remember people when when President Trump was elected inaugurated, people

1108
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 8: are happy that the Pompeo's and the Boltons and Nikki

1109
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 8: Hayley's were God all true, they are all positivelopments. And

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Speaker 8: then you would see, you know, Elon was talking to

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Speaker 8: the certain like the Iranians at one end, and so

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Speaker 8: they were these small and the Wikcough wanted to make

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00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 8: deals when to end the war in Ukraine, want to

1114
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 8: end the war in Gaza, wanted to make a deal

1115
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 8: with Iranians. So I do think that the personnel is

1116
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 8: still an issue, Like people are glad that John Bolton

1117
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 8: might not be there, but having Secretary Rubio and Hukkabi

1118
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 8: is kind of the same thing, but a more sneaky level, right,

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00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 8: you know, it's not as in your face as Bolden,

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Speaker 8: but Secretar Rubo does kind of mirror some of President

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00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 8: Trump's language, like he wants peace, he wants to end wars,

1122
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 8: but you look at his team, it's all like a

1123
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 8: number of Heritage Foundation guys. Now you can say it's

1124
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 8: this prerogative, of course, it's present Trump point. He's gonna

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Speaker 8: have Heritage Foundation guys on his team, but on foreign

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00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 8: policy that's not in line with what his agenda was

1127
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 8: supposed to be. And the same thing goes with a

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Speaker 8: Bassa Huckaby there. So they're going to say that I

1129
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 8: was a political activist. I think they're the political activists

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Speaker 8: that are undermining what Present Truck claimed to have wanted

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00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 8: and campaigned on.

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Speaker 6: Initially got it with.

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00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: Regard to Huckaby, We saw one moment where there was

1134
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Speaker 2: a little bit of pushback from him on the Israelis

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Speaker 2: after they had what was it, they had like bombed to.

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Speaker 6: Church, right, yeah, was a Christians?

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: There was some sort of statement that went out, and

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Speaker 2: then after that he just went back to being, you know,

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00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 2: totally on board with the most extreme versions of the

1141
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: net Nyahu government from the inside.

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Speaker 4: What were the.

1143
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: Issues that were most difficult for this administration to grapple

1144
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Speaker 2: with because it seemed like, yeah, when Christians were being

1145
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: killed and attacked, that was one that was hard for

1146
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: them to ignore and hard for them just to accept.

1147
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 4: Were there other things like.

1148
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Speaker 2: That that you saw that were like, you know a

1149
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: little bit difficult for them to just totally do the

1150
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: pro Israel spin on.

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Speaker 6: The Christian thing?

1152
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 8: Was the only like Christians being targeted in a by

1153
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 8: settlers in the West Bank and the church in Gaza

1154
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 8: was the only time I saw some verbal accountability.

1155
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 6: He even had a statement.

1156
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 8: Was like I was shocked at the time that was

1157
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 8: like houses of worship must be protected.

1158
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Speaker 6: Like don't remember the exact language we brought up mosques.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, well, yeah, right, Like there's more you can

1160
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 8: say there, So that was the only accountability that I saw.

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Speaker 8: What was frustrating is that every time there was a

1162
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Speaker 8: Settler attack that was horrific, or the case with the journalists,

1163
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Speaker 8: or just your like terrible airstrike that killed X number

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Speaker 8: of Pala cities in Gaza, it was always defer to Israel.

1165
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Speaker 8: And so it was like, well, we can defer to

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Speaker 8: the government Israel to just to explain their air strike.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so then here's the question.

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Speaker 3: So did you work on any other countries while you

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Speaker 3: were on in state, on any other portfolios?

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Speaker 6: It was levet On Jordan. I started for a few months,

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Speaker 6: but that shifted by.

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Speaker 3: So based on your observation, is there any country else

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Speaker 3: in the world that we treat with the same level

1174
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Speaker 3: of defference?

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Speaker 1: No, give me an example from on the inside.

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Speaker 8: No. No, So if there were, if someone had an issue,

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Speaker 8: we would we would like we would always have our

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Speaker 8: own intelligence or our own commentary on every issue. Now

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Speaker 8: I can't think of one off the top of my head,

1180
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Speaker 8: but like in the loved On Jordan case, maybe we

1181
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 8: would have a lot of our lines had accountability, like

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Speaker 8: we would say, again it's a different administration, and again

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Speaker 8: there are issues there too, obviously, but in terms of

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Speaker 8: like language, and again I'm working with words, not with policy,

1185
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 8: so I'll use that as an example. But there would

1186
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 8: be hair strikes against like these Roman ruins and Lebanon,

1187
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Speaker 8: then they would be like, oh, these sisely easy protected

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00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 8: or journalists must be protected, and we would have those

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Speaker 8: lines built in very easily.

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Speaker 6: It was very like made sense.

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Speaker 8: But we're immediately like even in the case with on Us,

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Speaker 8: the line that our response was like, don't respond, we

1193
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 8: don't know what he did. You're already pre emptying that

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Speaker 8: refer to Israel, like, oh, let's check, you could say.

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: Before they even came out before us, Yeah, yeah, we

1196
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 2: were even.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're already saying what did he do? And so

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00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 8: it's like, okay, let's say you want you're the government,

1199
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Speaker 8: you're the US government, you wanted your due diligence. You

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Speaker 8: don't want to go out, you don't have to respond

1201
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 8: right away. You're not tweeting your policy. If you want

1202
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 8: to say, hey, let's get forty eight hours, we'll check

1203
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 8: our sources, and then on Tuesday and the daily Press briefing,

1204
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 8: then we'll give condolences that I would understand, but they

1205
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 8: weren't even doing that. It was like he probably did something,

1206
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 8: you know, and then the next day is what comes

1207
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 8: out with those So.

1208
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Speaker 1: It was just total difference, the total difference.

1209
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: We witnessed some of this publicly in the context of

1210
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Speaker 2: the decision to join Israel in striking Iran. Tulci Gabbard

1211
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: famously testifie, hey, you know, we don't see any indication

1212
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: they're pursuing a nuclear weapon. Then the justification given by

1213
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: the Trump administration was actually reliant on Israeli intelligence versus

1214
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: our own intel assessment. Were you witnessed to any of

1215
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: that and how that played out internally?

1216
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 8: Right, Well, it went from third people like I mean,

1217
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 8: I'm not I wasn't working on that file per se,

1218
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 8: but obviously you have your colleagues are building you talk

1219
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 8: people are working on it, uh and whatnot. And what

1220
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 8: I would hear is that from it went from certain

1221
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 8: people being like we're close with the next steps were

1222
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 8: of the negotiations, to all of a sudden like, oh well,

1223
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 8: even if certain people we are closer to the administration,

1224
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 8: we're like, oh well, Iran didn't respond to are the deal?

1225
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 8: We had a table that was like like two weeks

1226
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 8: ago those same people might have said like, oh, we

1227
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Speaker 8: might get a deal done, so it was quick to follow.

1228
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Speaker 8: It's it's a very like on a more macro level,

1229
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 8: it's more like a mega thing, right you kind of

1230
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 8: like you're there with them when it's the talk, shopping,

1231
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 8: there with them when the.

1232
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Speaker 6: Bombs are dropping.

1233
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Speaker 8: So but on the on the level of the intelligence

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Speaker 8: and on Tulsi just something on a personal front that

1235
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Speaker 8: was ridiculous because she because they were automatic through undermining

1236
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Speaker 8: her own words from the I think was a congressional discussion.

1237
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, just months, Yeah, were there people so we

1238
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: talked about like some of the problems and Hucky effectively

1239
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: taking over a lot of policy visa the Israel. Were

1240
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: there people who you worked with or who you know,

1241
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: interacted with who were really trying to take a different approach,

1242
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: who were upset about the you know, using diplomacy with

1243
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: Iran is basically cover to allow Israel to bomb them.

1244
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: Who were you know, looking to acknowledge journalists shouldn't be

1245
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: murdered during a war. Were there people who were looking

1246
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: for that different approach and who were committed to it

1247
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: and you know sort of fighting that fight on the inside.

1248
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Speaker 3: Uh.

1249
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Speaker 8: In general, I think the like the political points do

1250
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 8: have the lead, so it's difficult to make those changes.

1251
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 8: But when you're when you have influence understanding, you're on

1252
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 8: a mid level you can be as a press officer,

1253
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 8: you can have those discussions. There are people that like, yeah,

1254
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 8: we're political point is that you have sit down discussion

1255
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 8: with and be like, hey, this isn't right. And there

1256
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 8: were actually people that were easier to talk to than others. Right,

1257
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 8: you knew who to talk to, Like it was it

1258
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 8: was a bit of a typewrope constantly of like okay,

1259
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Speaker 8: like even saying this with this person might be what

1260
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Speaker 8: it might be a flag, But with this person, I

1261
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 8: can have this discussion and it was sometimes it was

1262
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 8: it could have been effective. And I think those small changes.

1263
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 8: I know people on the outside might be like like

1264
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 8: why were you there or whatever, but those small changes

1265
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 8: do make a difference because then someone says something about hey,

1266
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Speaker 8: this airtrake was wrong or we have provided condolencence. That

1267
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 8: leads to then journalists being able to provide accountablity because

1268
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 8: it's say, hey you said X. Then when if you

1269
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 8: go full hard line, then that's your policy.

1270
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Speaker 1: So is that your assessment now with your firing. That's

1271
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: where you think things.

1272
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's already kind of was the policy, but

1273
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Speaker 3: you just think it'll be even more mad.

1274
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, like if it is, so if if my replacement

1275
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 8: or whoever goes in front of me, who knows. I'm

1276
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 8: not sure what's going to happen. I think they realize that,

1277
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 8: like it's gonna be a political points here what I'm

1278
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 8: not sure, but no one's going to want to push

1279
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 8: back after what happened to me. That wasn't someone who

1280
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 8: was a random press officer like I was pretty well established.

1281
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 8: I was the guy I not only was I was

1282
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 8: doing the longest briefings I my colleagues in the room.

1283
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Speaker 8: I had to do a full, like twenty minute briefing

1284
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 8: with a spokesperson, where someone else might be on shorter.

1285
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 8: I was also the person who was be on social level,

1286
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Speaker 8: organized in the happy hours with just internally or with reporters.

1287
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 8: I was like in a position of I felt very

1288
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 8: secure and I was close with a lot of colleagues,

1289
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Speaker 8: and so to go from that and firing me very quickly,

1290
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Speaker 8: I think it sends like a chilling effect through the

1291
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Speaker 8: building and an nea of toe the line and now

1292
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,439
Speaker 8: what's the spokeserson's going to do. They're going to listen

1293
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 8: to the next press officer or are they going to

1294
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 8: call the David Milsteins of the world or him specifically

1295
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 8: before he goes to the podium to make sure he's

1296
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Speaker 8: covered right?

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Speaker 2: And do you think that was part of the intent

1298
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: and firing you was to send that chill?

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Speaker 6: Oh? I do, Yeah, I did one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Well, Jod, we appreciate you joining us. Man's a lot

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Speaker 3: of insight. I think the audience will find it very insightful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I certainly did.

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Speaker 6: Thank thank you for having me appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for watching, guys. You appreciate it. See

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Batt