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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do amazing snow

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Speaker 2: day lots to cover. We've got the big Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 2: versus Mike Huckabee interview, with Huckabee saying hey, he's totally

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Speaker 2: on board with the Greater Israel project based on Biblical scripture,

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Speaker 2: so that's caused huge fallout in the region. We'll show

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Speaker 2: you a bunch of quite extraordinary clips from that interview

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Speaker 2: with our ambassador to Israel. We also continue to watch

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Speaker 2: whether or not we are headed to war with Iran.

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Speaker 2: There's some new new reporting on that front, and Jeffrey

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Speaker 2: that down. We're also taking a look at what's going

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Speaker 2: on with tariffs, interested to get Sager's insights there as well.

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Speaker 2: And we are going to have the guy who you

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Speaker 2: So he is a grassroots organizer and we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to him about the pushback against AI data centers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, many are calling him an American hero. Many people

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Speaker 1: But before we even get to Tucker, we did have

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Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to Team USA, the

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Speaker 1: men's hockey team. However, their great victory was quickly besmirched

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Speaker 1: by the presence of one cash Pattel. Why are we

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Speaker 1: punishing our great American athletes. Let's go ahead and put

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Speaker 1: this video. It's just too juicy to pass up cash.

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Speaker 1: So remember, you know, the Nancy Guthrie investigation is happening.

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Speaker 1: She remains missing. There's all kinds of important There's all

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Speaker 1: this cartel violence, you know, very very close to our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And don't forget, you know, his little interview with

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Speaker 3: Do we get to somebody who's actually doing the real work?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently, let's get to the real work. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to the real work. Tucker Carlson's extraordinary interview with the

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Speaker 4: You've appealed to Genesis. Genesis fifteen says it's Abram, it's

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Speaker 5: A land that God gave through Abraham to a people

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Speaker 5: a purpose. We can look at it that way. Christian Zionism.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to let you off on this because

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Speaker 3: It would be fine if they took it all unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the best park Crystal is. Later

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Speaker 1: you're Ireland, screw you. It's about your right to conquests.

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Speaker 2: Crystal Well, I mean just to pause on this one,

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Speaker 2: because people like you and I who've been talking about

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Speaker 3: They're serious about this thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we were treated like anti Semit's conspiracy theorists, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: really justis of it. So we surely knew that he

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Speaker 2: was going to be questioned about it. But I guess

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Speaker 2: the answer is there really just isn't a good defense.

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Speaker 2: The best you can do is say, well, I didn't

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Speaker 2: really host him. I mean, yeah, we had a meeting,

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Speaker 2: but I wouldn't call it hosting him. And then it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: you can't just show up at the embassy and get

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Speaker 2: a meeting within that.

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Speaker 1: Ye, ambassador, Yes, let's do it right right, I'll fly tomorrow, brother.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, And you know clearly he thinks that his

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Speaker 2: little trick of being like, oh well it was the

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Speaker 2: fake New York Times on background, blah blah blah, might work,

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Speaker 2: It might do enough to muddy the waters. But Tuck,

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Speaker 2: or very cleverly, is like, okay, well maybe it's all lie.

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Speaker 2: You could tell me, tell me what actually happened. Let's

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Speaker 2: get into it. We don't have to take the New

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Speaker 2: York Times word for it. You're sitting right here.

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Speaker 1: So discussing last one. This one. Look, this is a

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Speaker 1: common talking point I hear from the IDF defenders in

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Speaker 1: the United States. It never fails to discuss me more.

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Speaker 1: You can say a lot about the United States military.

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of Americans died to protect Iraqi and Afghanistan lives

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Speaker 1: in the War on Terror. Now, we shouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: there in the first place. I want to be clear.

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Speaker 1: We should never have been there. They should never have

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Speaker 1: been put into that position. But once they were, their

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Speaker 1: lives were on the line, and in many cases they

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Speaker 1: died to prevent civilian casualties to try at many times,

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Speaker 1: sometimes yes, failing, but oftentimes living up to the expectation

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Speaker 1: that we will not conduct war in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: So when I hear this bullshit from senior American officials,

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Speaker 1: every US service member, if you're listening to this, he

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Speaker 1: insulted you, He insulted your command. He insulted every GWOT

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Speaker 1: veteran when he said that the IDF is more humane

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Speaker 1: than the United States military. Let's take a lessen Israel.

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Speaker 5: Goes to links that no other country, including ours, goes

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Speaker 5: to in the middle of an urban war, and yet

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Speaker 5: Israel ended up with fewer civilian deaths in an urban

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Speaker 5: war than any urban war of records.

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Speaker 6: You said, you didn't know how many civilian does there worse?

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Speaker 5: So how can you say that if you took Gaza's numbers,

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Speaker 5: hamas Is numbers.

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Speaker 6: Said, we just told me that, how can you say

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Speaker 6: it's a lower number.

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Speaker 5: But if you to the largest numbers that have been

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Speaker 5: reported out of Gaza by Hamas, Yes, let's assume they're true.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are true,

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Speaker 5: but assume they're true. Let's just take them.

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Speaker 6: At their word.

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Speaker 5: Then you still have a lower number of civilians killed

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Speaker 5: than in any urban warfare environment in modern history?

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Speaker 6: Fact? Is that a fact?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 6: What are you comparing it to.

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Speaker 5: To any urban war?

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Speaker 7: One?

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Speaker 5: We're in Afghanistan and you pretended are alleged that somehow

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Speaker 5: I'm not loyal to this and that I'm friticizing.

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Speaker 4: A better job than the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 6: And I said, what are the numbers? And you said,

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So on what basis are you making the claim that

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Speaker 4: the IDF and GAZA spared more civilians than the US

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Speaker 4: Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan and Iraq? Why

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Speaker 4: are you saying that? Like, on what basis are you

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Speaker 4: saying that.

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Speaker 5: From the conversations that I've had with the people who

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Speaker 5: fought there, And I don't have the exact numbers for you.

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Speaker 2: Imagine making that claim and then not even having some

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Speaker 2: bullshit numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yea, they do, you know the numbers. Look, you know, Tucker,

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Speaker 1: if you watch the interview, I actually recommend you watched

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Speaker 1: the entire segment, because it's not just the interview. He

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Speaker 1: does a good preamble. First of all, he dispels that

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Speaker 1: bullshit myth about the detention. It was an actual detention.

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Speaker 1: If you listen, and they haven't even disputed. They were

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Speaker 1: asking the producers where they work, who they work with,

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Speaker 1: who they text, They took their passport, They're menacing them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this was serious. It was an actual like

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Speaker 1: intelligence gathering operation. And remember none of that is disputed

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Speaker 1: currently by IDF authorities. They're saying, yeah, it's routine, we

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Speaker 1: always harass international journalists. Remember that. So the description not

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Speaker 1: only of the interview itself, but he said his main takeaway,

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Speaker 1: this man is not working for the United States. He

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Speaker 1: was like, when I interviewed this person, he is controlled.

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Speaker 1: Every answer was sensitive, and he seemed to be working

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Speaker 1: on behalf of the Israeli government. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: you could come away with a different conclusion. And the

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Speaker 1: only conclusion is if that's the case, what does that

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Speaker 1: say about our government, about the people that are supposed

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Speaker 1: to serve us. I mean again, I want to say,

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Speaker 1: how can you let a spy on US soil and

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Speaker 1: keep your job? It's insane. How can you, as the ambassador,

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Speaker 1: do an interview where you spark a diplomatic crisis with

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Speaker 1: all of these Middle Eastern countries and keep your job?

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Speaker 1: How can you insult the United States military and keep

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Speaker 1: it's like, over and over and over again, you are

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Speaker 1: working on behalf of this foreign country. It's like you're

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Speaker 1: a pr agent for this foreign country. And his tweets

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Speaker 1: after have just been absolutely badshit crazy, Like, let's go

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Speaker 1: and put some of these on the screen. Guys, we

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Speaker 1: have the vo like he's tweeted like dozens of times

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Speaker 1: about Laura.

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Speaker 3: Lumer endlessly copin. It's just endless cope on the time.

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Speaker 2: Dawson tells you how he knows that this interview went

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Speaker 2: for him because if you have one side in the interview,

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Speaker 2: that's having to just like endlessly cope and put on

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Speaker 2: this statement, in that statement and amplify this person or

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Speaker 2: that person who said something positive about their side of

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Speaker 2: the interview. You know, they're trying to overcome something that

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Speaker 2: went very poorly for that.

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Speaker 1: And can we talk about the you know, we talked

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Speaker 1: about the Olympics. He you know, is making the Jewish

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Speaker 1: ancestry of one of the guys who scores the goal

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Speaker 1: in Team USA's game. He goes, what the guy scoring

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Speaker 1: goal for first USA gold medal is a Jew? Oh my,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the jew haters will say Massad was behind it.

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Speaker 1: I just say, celebrate the incredible victory for USA and

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Speaker 1: be grateful for his love for the USA and this team. Dude,

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Speaker 1: you're the one making it about him being Jewish. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even know who was Jewish. Did anybody know who

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Speaker 1: he was Jewish? Nobody even cares he's Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Some of us do not have our minds so warped

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Speaker 2: that we are constantly fixated on various identity or sectarian differences.

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Speaker 2: I mean, woke does not hold a candle right to

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Speaker 2: Zionists and the way that they, you know, view the

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Speaker 2: world through this hard sectarian lens. And you know, this

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Speaker 2: whole interview with Huckabee just really underscores the fact that

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Speaker 2: the firmus, the most fervent supporters of whatever Israel wants

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Speaker 2: Israel gets, are Christian Ziant Zionists. So you know, for

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Speaker 2: all the people who want to say, like, oh, you're

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Speaker 2: anti Semitic if you criticize blah blah blah, and you

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Speaker 2: know this is Israel is directly linked to Jewish people

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Speaker 2: and only Jewish people. And that's you know, if you

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Speaker 2: were criticizing Israel, criticizing Jewish people, no, like, look at

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Speaker 2: the actual coalition of supporters here, right, Christian Zionists. Genuinely,

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Speaker 2: if you pull the Jewish popula, yes there's a you know,

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Speaker 2: significant attachment to Israel, but it is far from lockstep,

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Speaker 2: especially if you look at younger generations. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the last thing I do want to say about like

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Speaker 2: the most moral army thing is like I feel like

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Speaker 2: israelis don't even claim that anymore. It's so ridiculous at

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Speaker 2: this point, right, put aside, you know, the civilian death

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Speaker 2: ratios are very contested in both places. I think the

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Speaker 2: clearest numbers say it was overwhelmingly civilians who were mass

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Speaker 2: slaughtered in Gaza. But even if you don't want to

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Speaker 2: believe those numbers, look, Abu Grabe was a scandal in

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Speaker 2: the US, and the reason it was a scandal is

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Speaker 2: because we actually expected something more from our soldiers, from

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Speaker 2: our military, whereas in Israel they had protests over the

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Speaker 2: right of IDF soul to rape their prisoners. Okay, that

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Speaker 2: is a very clear moral contrast. And I am a

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Speaker 2: vociferous critic of the way we conduct her of the

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Speaker 2: wars themselves, and the way we conducted ourselves in those wars,

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Speaker 2: but we didn't institute a complete.

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Speaker 3: And total siege.

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Speaker 2: We didn't brag about how we're going to starve people

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Speaker 2: to death if they didn't comply.

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Speaker 3: We didn't destroy routinely.

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Speaker 2: There were hospitals that were destroyed, but we did not

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Speaker 2: make it a policy of mass destroying hospitals, churches, schools,

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Speaker 2: all of civilian infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible to me that he's even still pushing that

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Speaker 2: narrative because I don't even think Israel.

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Speaker 3: I don't even hear is Raeley's talking about that anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's all just complete nonsense. Okay, we've got Jeffrey Sachs

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Speaker 1: standing by. Let's get to it. Joining us now, is

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Speaker 1: Professor Jeffrey Sachs, a great friend of the show, to

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Speaker 1: discuss the ongoing situation with Iran, maybe some tariffs. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us again.

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Speaker 7: It's good to see you, great to be with you.

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Speaker 7: Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's kick it off. Unfortunately, we just did a

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Speaker 1: long segment about Ambassador Mike Huckabee. But one of the

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Speaker 1: more consequential answers was on war with Iran. Even though

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Speaker 1: the American people opposed this war, and he says that, yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, we do live in a democracy and our

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Speaker 1: peon brains they do matter somewhat. But also, policy considerations

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Speaker 1: cannot be conducted by Paul. Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 1: We'll get your reaction and get into all the details.

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Speaker 6: How much does it matter what americans think?

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Speaker 5: Well, it matters every bit what americans think. That's why

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Speaker 5: americans vote. It's why Americans have the opportunity to have

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Speaker 5: free speech. We want him to have that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So what percentage of Americans support a war with

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Speaker 6: the Run? I don't know, do you know?

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Speaker 7: I do it?

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Speaker 4: I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday within

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Speaker 4: it was like twenty one percent. Ok Is that enough

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Speaker 4: to have a war with run.

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Speaker 5: We don't live in a world where you have a

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Speaker 5: poll taken to find out whether our policy should be

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Speaker 5: a particular direction.

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Speaker 6: Because I thought you just said that. No, we care

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Speaker 6: deeply about it.

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Speaker 5: But on the other hand, do we make the decisions

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Speaker 5: of foreign policy and even domestic policy based on.

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Speaker 6: We care lately about it? What sense?

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Speaker 1: So we don't actually care about it, professor, So our

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Speaker 1: very own interests and thoughts on the matter don't appear

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Speaker 1: in our own government. Just give us your general reaction

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Speaker 1: here to the ambassador potential now war with Iran and

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Speaker 1: the destabilization to our world order.

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Speaker 8: Well, in general, Huckabee should resign immediately, not for the

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Speaker 8: segment that you played, but for the segment that if

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Speaker 8: Israel takes over much of the Middle East, that's just fine.

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Speaker 8: The United States government should immediately repudiate what he said.

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Speaker 8: I think that every Arab nation in the Middle East

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Speaker 8: that has been subject to Israeli US war since Netnyau,

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Speaker 8: who came to office in the mid nineteen nineties, should

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Speaker 8: call in the US ambassador immediately and ask if this

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Speaker 8: is US policy. By the way, it may well be

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Speaker 8: US policy, because US policy is dictated by the Zionist lobby.

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Speaker 8: And this is not an outrageous statement, this is a

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Speaker 8: literal statement. This is and Huckabee, by the way, he

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Speaker 8: is a core part of that lobby. He is the

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Speaker 8: quintessential Christian Zionist, biblical fundamentalist who wants to determine American

652
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Speaker 8: policy not by what Americans think, not by international law,

653
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 8: not by American security, but by his reading of a

654
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Speaker 8: biblical passage from two thy five hundred years ago. The

655
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 8: man needs to leave his job immediately. He's a disgrace.

656
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 8: But worse than that, what he said needs to be

657
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Speaker 8: repudiated by the United States government immediately.

658
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Speaker 7: Is that our policy?

659
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 8: If it is our policy stated so, then the American

660
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 8: people won't know that we are led by the most

661
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 8: dangerous kind of delusion imaginable if that is not our

662
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 8: policy stated that it is not our policy.

663
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and put the latest at New York

664
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Speaker 2: Times reporting up here on the screen about whether or

665
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: not we are headed to war with Iran. Their attempt

666
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: to divine the latest thinking from Trump. The headline here

667
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: Trump considers targeted strike against Iran followed by a larger attack.

668
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: So I guess we're in for two wars instead of

669
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Speaker 2: one now, they say in part here, President Trump has

670
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: told advisors if diplomacy or any initial targeted US attack

671
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: does not lead Iran to give into his demands that

672
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: give up its nuclear program, he'll consider a much bigger

673
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: attack in coming months, intended to drive that country's leaders

674
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Speaker 2: from power. People briefed on internal administration deliberations said, in addition,

675
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: in this article, they lay out one potential proposal to

676
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: allow Iran to have some limited enrichment program for purposes

677
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: of research alone, and they're sort of holding this out

678
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: like maybe that would be fase saving for both the

679
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: Iranians and the Americans. You know, what is your sense

680
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: of how real this diplomacy is and how likely we

681
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: are to be headed back into war with Iran.

682
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 7: Again?

683
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 8: This is like being in a delusional dream world. Iran

684
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 8: has said that it does not want a nuclear weapon,

685
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 8: and it is said so for decades, and it is

686
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 8: negotiated in that point for decades, and everybody watching.

687
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 7: Should appreciate that.

688
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 8: An agreement was reached in twenty fifteen called the Joint

689
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 8: Comprehensive Plan of Action the JCPOA, which was reached in

690
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 8: twenty fifteen and unanimously adopted by the United Nations Security Council.

691
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 8: It's an agreement of the P five, the permanent five

692
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 8: members of the Security Council, the United States, Britain, France, Russia,

693
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 8: and China plus Germany, in which the International Atomic Agency

694
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 8: would rigorously monitor any activities of Iran's nuclear program to

695
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 8: ensure that there was no nuclear weapons program, exactly what

696
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 8: Iran has said that it is its policy and.

697
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 7: Which agreed to rigorous monitoring.

698
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 8: Now what happened well, Trump, because he is a pawn

699
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 8: of net Yahoo ripped it up when he came into office.

700
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 8: Trump did the bidding of the Israeli government. Why did

701
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 8: the Israeli government want this ripped up? Because this has

702
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 8: never been about nuclear weapons. This has been about Israel's

703
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 8: regional hegemony in the Middle East. Israel wants to topple

704
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 8: the Iranian regime period it has said. So this is

705
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 8: not a mystery, This is not my claim. This is

706
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 8: Israeli policy repeated year in year out. The whole idea

707
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 8: that Trump is negotiating to prevent Iran from getting a

708
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 8: nuclear weapon. Uh, that was negotiated. Trump ripped it up.

709
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 8: The Iranians have come back every year to say, we

710
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 8: don't want a nuclear weapon, we want negotiations. The United

711
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 8: States does not accept yes for an answer because it

712
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 8: works for the government of Israel. This is the point.

713
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 8: Why does it work for the government of Israel. It's

714
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 8: a little hard to understand, maybe because it's of Mike

715
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 8: Huckleby's parishioners, because of the people who read the Bible

716
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 8: and say, Okay, that's our foreign policy.

717
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 7: That's possible.

718
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 8: It may be because of what's in the Epstein files

719
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 8: that haven't been released. It may be blackmail, it may

720
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 8: be corruption, may be many other things, but it is

721
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 8: not about America's interests. We have no interest whatsoever in

722
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 8: going to a war with Iran right now. If there

723
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 8: is such a war, it's a war because Israel has

724
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 8: told the United States what to do. And that raises

725
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 8: a question, why has the United States done what Israel

726
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 8: has told the United States to do for thirty years?

727
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 8: And I don't just mean about Iran, I mean across

728
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Speaker 8: the Middle East. Why did the United States bamb Libya

729
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 8: in twenty eleven? Why did Obama make it presidential finding

730
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 8: that the CIA should topple Bashar al a Sad in

731
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 8: twenty twelve Operation Timber Sycamore. Why did the United States

732
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 8: follow Netanyahu's lead to attack and invade Iraq in two

733
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 8: thousand and three, not on wrong premises, but on false pretenses.

734
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Speaker 8: Because Israel has had the policy that the United States

735
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Speaker 8: should clear the way of any government in the Middle

736
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Speaker 8: East that opposes Israel's hegemony. Is that our policy? It

737
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 8: should not be our policy. That's a policy of endless war.

738
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 8: That's a policy that has cost American seven trillion dollars

739
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 8: in wars, that never had to take place, and that's

740
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Speaker 8: the policy that is pushing us to war with Iran.

741
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Speaker 8: Right now, why do you think bab Natnau showed up

742
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 8: again in the White House just a few days ago?

743
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 8: He had to make sure that his vassal, mister Trump

744
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 8: would do the right thing in BB's terms. That by

745
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 8: that I mean the wrong thing.

746
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, professor, I do want to get your reaction.

747
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Speaker 1: You're just talking about false pretenses. We have a new

748
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: false pretense. We have the supposed negotiator who I had

749
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: some initial high hopes for, Steve Wikoff, who has now

750
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: turned into a complete disappointment, took to the American airwaves

751
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: and is now claiming that despite Operation Midnight Hammer some

752
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: seven months ago, where we supposedly wiped out Iranian capabilities,

753
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: they are now close to quote an industrial grade bomb. Mac,

754
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: can we go ahead and queue that one up? Still

755
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what industrial grade bomb means. Let's

756
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: take a listen. We have red lines here from the US.

757
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 6: How about over with the wrong The.

758
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Speaker 9: President asked me that this morning, and he's I don't

759
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 9: want to use the word frustrated, it's almost because he

760
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 9: understands he's got plenty of alternatives. But it's curious.

761
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 6: He's curious as to.

762
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Speaker 10: Why they haven't. I don't want to use the word capitulated,

763
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 10: but why they haven't capitulated. Why under this sort of pressure,

764
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 10: with the amount of seat power, naval power that we

765
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 10: have over there, why they haven't come to us and said,

766
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 10: we profess that we don't want to we don't want

767
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Speaker 10: a weapon.

768
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Speaker 9: So here's what we're prepared to do. And yet it's

769
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 9: hard to sort of get them to that place.

770
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Speaker 1: So he's saying, they're weeks away from industrial grade bomb

771
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: and we just are so frustrated. Why do they capitulate?

772
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, why use to capitulate?

773
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 8: First of all, they don't want a weapon. They want

774
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 8: to negotiate a solution. They want to negotiate a solution

775
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 8: with the International Atomic Energy Agency rigorously monitoring.

776
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 7: What they do.

777
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 8: That has been true for fifteen years. This is just nincompoops.

778
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 8: Honest to god, what do they think they're doing? By

779
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 8: the way, I spoke to someone that is extremely knowledgeable

780
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 8: about these negotiations, and there is no expert in the

781
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 8: room in the US side, nobody that knows what they're

782
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 8: talking about, No nuclear experts, no one that is involved

783
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 8: at a level of understanding what this is really about. Now,

784
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 8: in terms of substance, what is true is that the

785
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 8: bombing last summer did not stop Iran from getting a

786
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 8: nuclear weapon if.

787
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 7: It wants one.

788
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 8: So all of the bravado of Trump that, oh, yes,

789
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 8: we ended their nuclear program. This is the greatest thing

790
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 8: since this history of the world began. This is total

791
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 8: Trump bs from beginning to end. That's the world we

792
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 8: live in. It's all BS morning till night. No, it

793
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 8: didn't stop anything. It was a useless attack that made

794
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 8: the world a lot more dangerous. Could Iron get a

795
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 8: nuclear weapon, Yes, it could get a nuclear weapon if

796
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 8: it wanted one. Could it be stopped from getting a

797
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 8: nuclear weapon? Yes, under its own volition, it doesn't want one,

798
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 8: and it has said we agree to all of the monitoring.

799
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 8: We agree to the international controls. Trump is the one

800
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 8: that ripped up that agreement. This is so confused, so

801
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 8: upside down completely, it's hard to even begin to understand

802
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 8: any of this. But I just to credit Tucker Carlson

803
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 8: with exposing one piece of this. How utterly bizarre the

804
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 8: politics are at the top of the US government. Completely bizarre, delusional.

805
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 8: So that's where we are.

806
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Do you think those comments from Huckabee saying, yeahine, I'm

807
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: good if Israel pursues, you know, greater Israel based on

808
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 2: biblical prophecy or biblical promises as he reads it, Yes, yes,

809
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: exactly as he reads it. Do you think that has

810
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 2: any significant impact on some of the US allies in

811
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: the region, who would be you know, implicated by those comments.

812
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 7: It's sad.

813
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 8: The Arab world has been beaten down so long and

814
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 8: so hard for centuries by the way, first by the Ottomans,

815
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 8: then by the British, then by the Americans, then by

816
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 8: the Israelis. So they are so beaten down that when

817
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 8: they see something like this they complain, but they should

818
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 8: do more than the complaint. It's actually a little bit

819
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 8: sad if you if the lead American representative in Israel says, yeah,

820
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 8: if Israel wants to take over most of the Middle East,

821
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 8: that's good with us.

822
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 7: That's not a matter for complaint.

823
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 8: That is a matter for an emergency un Security Council session.

824
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 8: That is a matter for this person to be relieved

825
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 8: of duty immediately. That is a matter for the United

826
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 8: States government to repudiate those words. That's a matter for

827
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 8: the Israeli government to repudiate those words, though unfortunately there

828
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 8: are people in the Israeli government that have that insane

829
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 8: grandiosity that's going to get us all into into World

830
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 8: War three if we continue on this path.

831
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Speaker 1: So I do want to ask.

832
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 8: So just to answer your question. At Crystal, they're very concerned,

833
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 8: but they're so much under the hammer all the time.

834
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 8: They're really concerned about a war starting tomorrow. They're really

835
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 8: concerned about any kind of retribution. This is the sad point.

836
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 8: It makes no sense in terms of security, peace, honesty.

837
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 7: What either side is saying. Just one more point.

838
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 8: Marco Rubio said about ten days ago, well, we don't

839
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 8: want to just have negotiations about nuclear weapons. This has

840
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 8: to be about a whole range of issues. And the

841
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 8: Iranian Foreign Minister Arakchi gave a speech a couple of

842
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 8: days later in Doha, a very fine.

843
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 7: Speech by the way.

844
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 8: They said, yes, we could have regional peace, and here's

845
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 8: a path to regional peace, and he laid out the

846
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 8: two state solution. He laid out mutual security in the region.

847
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 8: The US didn't pick it up at all. The mainstream

848
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 8: media in the United States didn't even cover it. I

849
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 8: went to the New York Times reporters, you are going

850
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 8: to mention the speech. It was after Rubio said we

851
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 8: should have this. Then the Iranians responded. As far as

852
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 8: I know, they never even wrote about the speech. So

853
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 8: we're in a kind of game, bizarre, delusional, dangerous world

854
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 8: with the Mike huckabees.

855
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 7: Oh my god, this is the world we're in.

856
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Professor, that's what I was really going to

857
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: ask you about.

858
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 6: Is this?

859
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: You know, they like you're talking about the New York Times.

860
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: They present it as normal. We'll do a small attack

861
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: followed by a larger attack. Yeah, if it doesn't work.

862
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: And you're like, wait, what so you get two wars

863
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: for the price of one a small attack and if

864
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, what does work even mean? Like that,

865
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Speaker 1: they're going to agree to what they've already agreed to

866
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Speaker 1: and then continue to say that they will. The only

867
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: thing they don't want to give up is their ballistic

868
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: missiles for good reason, so that they don't become an

869
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Israeli rupt state, which is what they want.

870
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 8: And when they're told, yes, we're going to kill you,

871
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 8: we're going to destroy you, we're going to overthrow you,

872
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 8: you have to disarm.

873
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 7: If you don't want to be killed, destroyed, overthrown.

874
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 8: You have to disarm so then we can kill you,

875
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 8: destroy you, and overthrow you.

876
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 7: Of course, the whole thing is so absurd.

877
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 8: And let me add another level of absurdity The New

878
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 8: York Times, which just distinguish itself every day in the

879
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 8: propaganda and the falsity of its reporting. I'm sorry to say,

880
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 8: every day reports about the protests on the streets because

881
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 8: of the economic suffering of the Iranian people, but they

882
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 8: didn't report that our own Treasury secretary Bestened on January twentieth,

883
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 8: in Davos, in a nonchalant interview with Fox Business, said

884
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 8: that it was America's policy to crush the Iranian economy,

885
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 8: to destroy the currency, to create a dollar shortage, to

886
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 8: create a shortage of imports, so that people would go

887
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 8: out onto the streets. And then, with a little smirk

888
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 8: on his face, he says, we call this economic statecraft.

889
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 8: And he says it's going in a very good direction.

890
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 8: You'd think someone would ask a question, maybe even write

891
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 8: an editorial. Is this our state craft to destroy other economies,

892
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 8: especially ones that are saying they want to negotiate with us?

893
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 8: And mister Witcoff said, it's about capitulation.

894
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 7: Well, come on, what a world.

895
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 8: Sorry, this is so dangerous for us, and the American

896
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 8: people know it well.

897
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: Speaking of Scott Bessett, and by the way, I learned

898
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: from you that the way that he gained his wealth

899
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: and prominence was from attacking currencies.

900
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 3: So he is such a that's.

901
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 7: Why he's there all the job there.

902
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 8: He knows nothing about being a Treasury secretary. He's there

903
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 8: to destroy the Iranian currency.

904
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: Well, let's go ahead and turn to what's going on

905
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: here in the US, which obviously also has major global implications,

906
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: which is we got a Supreme Court ruling striking down

907
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: some of the tariffs authorized under AIPA that Trump has

908
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: been using as a cudgel in various negotiations and threats

909
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: around the world. First of all, just your reaction to

910
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: the significance of this decision, given that Trump is already saying, well,

911
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to use other authorities to try to accomplish

912
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: the same thing.

913
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 8: It's very significant because the Supreme Court did not buckle

914
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 8: to the stupidity and the bullying that now guides America

915
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 8: when Trump launched the so called reciprocal tariffs. I had

916
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 8: two reactions within the first minute. First that the actual

917
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 8: application of some stupid formula by our international trade representative

918
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 8: was so primitive you would not have thought of first

919
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 8: year student would come up with something so idiotic. So

920
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 8: the incompetence was stunning. But the second point was I said,

921
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 8: this is illegal, this is ridiculous. He doesn't have the

922
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 8: authority as one person to revamp the American tariff system.

923
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 8: That is Article one, section eight of the Constitution, which

924
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 8: says that the right to levy duties and taxes belongs

925
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 8: to Congress. That's why we created our country, by the way,

926
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 8: in a protest about one person making taxation for the

927
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 8: American colonies. It was obvious that what Trump was doing

928
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 8: was illegal. It was obvious that it was stupid in

929
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 8: that it would accomplish nothing if these people knew anything

930
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 8: about international economics. By the way, and our deficit in

931
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 8: goods went up in twenty twenty five, the employment in

932
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 8: manufacturing went down by eighty three thousand workers in twenty

933
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 8: twenty five. In other words, even on their narrow terms,

934
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 8: whether it was legal or not, it was a complete failure.

935
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 8: But it was predictably so. The only thing I couldn't

936
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 8: predict is whether the Supreme Court would cave in, But

937
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 8: they did a very good job, and I salute the

938
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 8: Chief Justice John Roberts, who's a classmate of mine, for

939
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 8: his very clear, correct, bold opinion.

940
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 7: Bravo.

941
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 8: Now there's another issue. Trump took from us illegally one

942
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 8: hundred forty billion dollars.

943
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 7: I want my part back. You should want your part back.

944
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 8: They can't just say, oh, well, isn't that something We're

945
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 8: just going to continue. They owe us one hundred forty

946
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 8: billion dollars illegally taken through a brazen grab of power

947
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 8: he stole from us.

948
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 7: Return the money.

949
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: To that point, sir, the Secretary of the Treasury is saying, no,

950
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: we're not going to return the money. Matt, Can we

951
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and queue up D one so that the

952
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: professor can listen to Secretary Scott Besson, who you said there,

953
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: who's like, no, we're not returning. There will be no

954
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: refunds and all of us will be litigated in court.

955
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

956
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 11: Will you refund the roughly one hundred and thirty four

957
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 11: billion dollars in revenue taken by these emergency tariffs?

958
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 12: Well, Dana, that's not the big question. Let's just level

959
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 12: set here. What the Supreme Court did was a very

960
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 12: narrow reading of the president's authority under the AEPA tariffs.

961
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 12: We have other tariff authorities which had been functioning Section

962
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 12: two thirty two terriffs, Section three oh one tariffs, and Dana,

963
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 12: when you say it's a big question, that's bad framing

964
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 12: because the Supreme Court didn't even address that. The Supreme

965
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 12: Court remanded it down to a lower court. And you know,

966
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 12: we will follow what they say, but that could be

967
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 12: weeks or months when we hear them. So the Supreme

968
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 12: Court did not address refunds.

969
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 11: Sure, they did an address refund that is clearly going

970
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 11: to be up to you, which.

971
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 7: Is no, no, no, no, it is not up to me.

972
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: It is.

973
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 7: Not up to the administration. It is up to the

974
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 7: lower court. Let's just be clear on that. He's such

975
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 7: a creep. You don't even know where to start.

976
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 8: You stole one hundred and forty billion dollars, give it back, bestent,

977
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 8: or just leave your job. You're not our treasury secretary.

978
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 8: You're a thug to bring down the Iranian government. Come on,

979
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 8: you stole the money, you did it illegally. It was

980
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 8: a brazen grab for power. Take some responsibility.

981
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: Please, let's go and put D four up on the screen.

982
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 2: Because one of the other questions is, like, Okay, in

983
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 2: the context of all of these threats of very high

984
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: tariffs using this authority, there are a bunch of countries

985
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: that did some sort of deal with the Trump administration

986
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: and now they're wondering what this means for them and

987
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 2: those deals. I'm sure they're probably also having some potential

988
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: buyer's remorse giving into these threats, given that this authority

989
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: has now been deemed illegal and unconstitutional. So two questions

990
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: really for you here, you know, reflectively on these countries

991
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: that did make deals, and then also, how much does

992
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: this newter Trump's ability to act like the mob boss

993
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: and the you know, the thug around the world since

994
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: these tariffs were one of the things tools in his

995
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: toolkit for behaving that way.

996
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 7: Great questions.

997
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 8: First of all, the authority that Trump is using right

998
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 8: now is also illegal. He's claiming a section one twenty

999
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 8: two of the Trade Act, which says that in the

1000
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 8: context of a balance of payments emergency, that tariffs can

1001
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 8: be put on for one hundred fifty days up to

1002
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 8: fifteen percent. We have no balance of payments emergency. He's

1003
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 8: doing it again. This is a brazen abuse of power.

1004
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 8: This should be understood. This isn't just a technical workaround that, oh,

1005
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 8: I have five ways to do it. He has maybe

1006
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 8: five ways to cheat. But he's cheating again, and he's

1007
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 8: deepening the mess. So this is the first point. What

1008
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 8: he's doing is illegal. We have no balance of payments emergency.

1009
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 8: I taught balance of payments economics at Harvard for twenty years.

1010
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 8: I can tell you we have no balance of payments emergency.

1011
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 8: So what he's doing is not legal. Now again, you

1012
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 8: can't predict what the Supreme Court will do, though we

1013
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 8: have more hope this time around that they'll again say

1014
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 8: you can't do this. But of course it's deepening the mess,

1015
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 8: the confusion. Trump keeps stealing our money. This is another

1016
00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 8: point people should understand. I think that they douitively. Trump

1017
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 8: says that the other countries are paying.

1018
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 7: This is absurd.

1019
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 8: This is money coming out of your household income, and

1020
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 8: it's an average of one thousand dollars per household that

1021
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 8: was taken in this first round of illegal power grab.

1022
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 8: This isn't coming out of foreign countries. This isn't oh,

1023
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 8: we're going to find another way to make them pay.

1024
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 8: This is the American people paying for this, not foreigners.

1025
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 8: And this is demonstrated all over the place in careful analysis.

1026
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 8: Because the Americans paid the tax. Because the foreign exporters

1027
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 8: to the US didn't cut their prices to keep the

1028
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 8: price the same, the prices went up. Duh, that's how

1029
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 8: it works. And so this is Trump stealing from us

1030
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 8: and bestn't stealing from us, and his nonchalance, I don't care.

1031
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 8: That's a small deal. Yeah, one hundred and forty billion dollars.

1032
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 8: Maybe a small deal for you, but it's not a

1033
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 8: small deal for the American people and for people that

1034
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 8: can't pay their bills. Now, as for the other countries.

1035
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 7: They should say everything stops. Are you kidding?

1036
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 8: We got bamboozled, we got threatened, we got blustered. As

1037
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 8: Trump said, he liked how the countries came to kiss

1038
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 8: his ass.

1039
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 7: That's a quote. And of course they should say.

1040
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 8: No, no deals, what deal you lied to us, You cheated,

1041
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 8: Your Supreme Court tells you, tells us you don't have

1042
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 8: this power. No deal, all on false pretenses.

1043
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 7: Period.

1044
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 8: So the New York Times agonizing about this, My god,

1045
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 8: how weird is that?

1046
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 7: Who are these people? Honestly?

1047
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: Wait, I know if you too, I often asked, sometimes

1048
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: even they asked that question. Can we put D two

1049
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: up here on the screen, because I'm curious for your reaction.

1050
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: The only statutory authority they have now is about this

1051
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: fifteen percent global tariff which.

1052
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 7: Will be in place.

1053
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I was just mentioned, right of course, But and you

1054
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: know you've talked there about the illegality. But how are

1055
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: you just the other countries you think about, Japan, South Korea, Britain,

1056
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: the EU. They came here, they made these fake promises

1057
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: to spend five thousand trillion dollars and none of it

1058
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: will actually come to pass. But now you have this

1059
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: fifteen percent tariff. It was raised from ten. It only

1060
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: has one hundred and fifty nine days I believe that

1061
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty days to be put into place. And

1062
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: yet we could potentially have fifteen percent global tarff. But

1063
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: how would that even affect the negotiation power? Like, that's

1064
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: my curiosity.

1065
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 8: He has no negotiating power, okay, because this is not

1066
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 8: what he was doing before, which was like a madman

1067
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 8: throwing you know, lightning bolts down from Mount a limb

1068
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 8: as saying, I punish you.

1069
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 7: I punish you.

1070
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 8: I don't like the ad being run in Ontario, I

1071
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 8: don't like the lawsuit against the former president Bolsonaro.

1072
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 7: I don't like you doing this.

1073
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 8: He was acting as if he just can punish and

1074
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 8: crush anyone he wants. Now, this is completely different. This

1075
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 8: is not emergency powers that he claimed that he never had.

1076
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 8: This is about a balance of payments crisis that actually

1077
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 8: doesn't exist. So he can't bludgeon and threaten other countries,

1078
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 8: and the other countries should say, well, excuse me. That

1079
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 8: was a bad year. You did a lot of bad

1080
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 8: things to us. You made a lot of threats that

1081
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 8: you didn't have the power to make. Let's just take

1082
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Speaker 8: a pause. Everything is set aside.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know that it is a

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Speaker 2: significant decision. Also to through Trump's reaction, he was lashing

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Speaker 2: out at the justices, etc.

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Speaker 3: Apparently exploded when he learned the news.

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Speaker 2: The last question I had for is a specific one

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Speaker 2: vis a vis Mexico and Cuba. Actually, this tariff threat

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Speaker 2: was one of the ways that Trump was trying to

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Speaker 2: coerce the Mexican government to, you know, abide by this

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Speaker 2: oil embargo. That the US is imposing on Cuba to

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Speaker 2: you keep them from sending oil to the island, which

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Speaker 2: is deeply suffering now due to our economic warfare against them.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this changes the calculus at all for

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Speaker 2: the Shinebomb government.

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Speaker 7: I hope that it does.

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Speaker 8: What Trump is trying to do to bring down Cuba

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Speaker 8: in a regime change operation is also extraordinarily illegal and

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Speaker 8: cruel and an active war. Actually it's a quarantine around Cuba,

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Speaker 8: and it's absolutely unacceptable. And I hope that there is

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Speaker 8: a solution, because, again, economic stakecraft should not mean the

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Speaker 8: suffering of other people. It should not mean a Middle

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Speaker 8: East that's a flame from Libya to Iran. If we

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Speaker 8: had any decency at all, which I'm not sure is

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Speaker 8: a term that can apply to our current administration or

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Speaker 8: our deep state for that matter, we would not be

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Speaker 8: doing the things that we're doing.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, we always appreciate your analysis, sir. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Great to be with you. Hope we do it again soon.

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Speaker 6: Oh always.

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Speaker 7: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys so much for watching. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. We should be back in studio tomorrow. As

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Speaker 1: long as all the roads, electricity and all of that cooperates,

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Speaker 1: and of course we're going to have our great State

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Speaker 1: of the Union live stream, so we'll see you all

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Speaker 1: then