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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I am your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. We always come to you every Wednesday. This

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Speaker 1: week's guest Kira Dixon doing work now for NBC and

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Speaker 1: Golf Channel, a former Miss America won that crown in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. But listen, she's a golfer. That's

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to have her on the podcast. You're

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Speaker 1: going to be seeing her, um interviewing you know, the

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Speaker 1: guys on the PGA Tour. But Um, she can play.

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Speaker 1: She's made the cut at the A T and T

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Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Pro Am and um loves golf. Golf has

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Speaker 1: been a huge part of her life. And again she's

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Speaker 1: one of those people. Um, it's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to do the podcast. Get people who

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Speaker 1: aren't necessarily playing golf on TV um weekend week out,

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Speaker 1: but our golf people. And I mean, what a story.

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Speaker 1: I mean if I if I had told myself five

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Speaker 1: years ago, I'd be doing a podcast and interviewing a

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Speaker 1: former Miss America who's now interviewing people on Golf Channel,

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Speaker 1: in NBC and in the golf space. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: that's the cool thing about all the people that you meet,

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Speaker 1: um when you're get to be around golf like I am.

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Speaker 1: And she's got a great story and uh, to to

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Speaker 1: make that jump from pageants to now being part of

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Speaker 1: the NBC Golf Channel crew. Um, it's cool story. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think it's some good stuff and I think everybody

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Speaker 1: will enjoy um listening to Kira. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the interview. Well, it's not every day

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Speaker 1: that my guest is a former Miss America. But the

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Speaker 1: idea behind the podcast was to get people that are

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Speaker 1: in the golf space, not in the golf space, in

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Speaker 1: the golf space and love golf. Um. I gotta be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, I didn't think i'd get a Miss

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Speaker 1: America winner on the podcast. Ask HERA, UM, it's been Avery,

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Speaker 1: there's a I mean, you're working for the Golf Channel,

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Speaker 1: now working for NBC and stuff like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: are you even surprised that kind of the trajectory that

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Speaker 1: entrenched from being you know, Miss America to now firmly

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Speaker 1: me five years ago, if this is where I would

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Speaker 1: be I would laugh. Um, but here we are and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean you get more into it. But

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Speaker 1: Miss America really blows up your life and kind of,

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Speaker 1: get exposed to this entire new world of opportunities and

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Speaker 1: doors that can be opened. And I happened to walk

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with you. What a life. Um. So

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Speaker 1: obviously now you're part of You're you're involved with NBC,

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Speaker 1: with Golf Channel, you're interviewing players, are at all the

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Speaker 1: tournaments competition to you're you know, interviewing professional athletes. How

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Speaker 1: much of a competition or the pageants because as an

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Speaker 1: outsider looking at looking into me, it just looks like

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Speaker 1: just it would be crazy. It would be a lot

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Speaker 1: you know what, I really compare pageants to golf because

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Speaker 1: you are competing against yourself and um, it's an individual

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Speaker 1: sport and you can only blame yourself if you mess up. Okay, So, UM,

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Speaker 1: golfers could could really find a lot of parallels to

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Speaker 1: I've always found that that's been an interesting thing for

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Speaker 1: me to draw on of of how can I relate

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Speaker 1: a on a basic level. But I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: people have seen ms congeniality or movies or cultural things

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Speaker 1: comes together once a year from all walks of life,

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Speaker 1: from all different backgrounds, UM, that end up really becoming

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Speaker 1: amazing friends. At twenty five of the goals I competed

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Speaker 1: with it, Miss America came to my wedding. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I've got to ask you this question. Is the

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Speaker 1: equivalent the the IRAQ statement, Is that the same thing? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what what what does that world like? And

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Speaker 1: American Pageant is a huge part of cultural American history. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I will explain why I did miss America and

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Speaker 1: then you know how it's evolved to today. So as

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Speaker 1: that's an education in itself. The two women that were

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00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: your pace of playoff like great. They don't care. You're

431
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: just out there to have a good time. And the

432
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: relationships that I've created have given me this life that

433
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: I've got now. I mean the amount the amount of

434
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: parents junior golfers that you know who brought their kids

435
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: to me and said, listen, he's probably not going to

436
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: be a great junior golfer, but the dad will say,

437
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, at fifteen, listen, I want him to be able.

438
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, I've done well in business, I'm golf is

439
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: a huge part of my life. I want my son

440
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: to to be able to play golf. At a decent level.

441
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: So that moving forward, after he goes to Harvard or

442
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: Yale or whatever, illuminat school they think he's going to

443
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: go to you know, then he'd used golf as a vehicle.

444
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: And there was a kid that I taught, I told

445
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: him as a junior. He just I think he went

446
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: three or four years to Florida Gulf Coast. And then

447
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: I saw a kid recently that was here to take

448
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: a lesson with another one of the instructors and he said, hey,

449
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: you remember this kid. I said, yeah, whatever happened to him?

450
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, he's in New York working, you know,

451
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: on on Wall Street, and you know, still plays golf

452
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: and you know, still using the golf thing. So played,

453
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: and we hear that, I think that is more stereotypical

454
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: thing in the golf world. For me, that's more of

455
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: a stereotypical male thing as it is I feel. I mean,

456
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: I have met a lot of young girls going yeah,

457
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: our parents who said, my fourteen dog, you know, she's

458
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: probably not going to play on the tour, but we

459
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: wanted to do this from a business standpoint. That's that's

460
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: the reverse of what we normally hear. Yeah, but we

461
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: should be hearing that more absolutely the time I meet

462
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: parents that have young girls, especially get your girl into

463
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: golf and don't let her quit. I quit in high

464
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: school because it made me weird and different, and there

465
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: were not many girls around me that played golf. I

466
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: couldn't see on social media the cool things that Nellie

467
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: and jess Quarter and Michelle we get to do because

468
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: of golf. So I just thought it was never really,

469
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: at that age gonna give me much else. But I

470
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: had played so intensely at a young age that I

471
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: had those fundamental skills that when I did finally pick

472
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: up on the back of my golf was going to

473
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: continue to be such an important force in my life

474
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: that when I was started again, it was very easy

475
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: for me to pick up and immediately rep rewards from.

476
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: But that is my number one advice to any parent.

477
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't you know, your kids probably not can be

478
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: nearly Quarda, but your kid is going to be able

479
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: to really take advantage of this and have a leg

480
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: up and competition either in business or whatever else um

481
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: simply because she or he understand this game. So going

482
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: back to what I was talking about earlier, you know,

483
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: when I was growing up. Pageants were only about the

484
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: way women looked. It was you know, it was only

485
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: the physical side of things. So it's a swimsuit competition.

486
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: I mean I remember as a kid watching the swimsuit competition.

487
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: You'd watch these things, um, and I could see that,

488
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: you know now through the lens that we look back at,

489
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, from two we look backwards. That was incredibly

490
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: misogynistic and incredibly kind of narrow minded on what people

491
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Speaker 1: thought women should be. You know, let's just stand up, smile,

492
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: put a swimsuit on. That was it. There wasn't you know,

493
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, there wasn't. There were only

494
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: when I'm fifty three, there were only three channels. Growing

495
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: there's four channels. There was NBC, ABC, CBS and PBS.

496
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: There wasn't cable, right, So anything that was big on

497
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: TV and the Miss America pageant every year it was

498
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: the Academy Awards, the Grammys, the Miss America Pageant, the

499
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, all of those things were part of our

500
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: regular viewing as a kid. So I think it would

501
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: have been easy. And I think, you know, pageants and

502
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: Miss America and people that were there, it was easy

503
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: to kind of just say, yeah, you know they're not

504
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: smart people. They don't and and so I think that

505
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: is that has really changed. And you know, you look

506
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: at someone like yourself. You speak three languages, You've traveled

507
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: all over the world, You've done a listen, the pageants

508
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: allowed you to see the world, Like you said, I

509
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: don't think people realize that I had. I had heard

510
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: that before, but when you said that, I was reminded

511
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: of that that the Miss American Pageant, the work that

512
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: they do to help put young women into universities, into

513
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: college educations that some people like, like sports for both

514
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: men and women, will never have that opportunity because they

515
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: can't afford it. Yeah. Completely. I mean I the scholarship

516
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: money that I earned was around UM eighties and ninety

517
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and I ended up not going to law school. However,

518
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: I use that money to pay for a master's in

519
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: journalism at USC Vannenberg, one of the best journalism schools

520
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: in the world. UM, and it's that it's helped me

521
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: get to where I am today with my career. UM. Yeah,

522
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny people people do see that the

523
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: swimsuit competition, and UM, I competed in the swimsuit competition.

524
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: They've actually now taken that away from from the competition,

525
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: which I kind of have mixed feelings about. But that's

526
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: a whole, a whole different discussion. Um No No. So

527
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: so seriously, as a woman who competed in a pageant,

528
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you said, listen, there was a swimsuit competition. They've taken

529
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: that away. So where do you fall on that? Do

530
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: you think? No? No, because I think that's really fascinating,

531
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: because it's hard for me. It's hard for men to say, oh,

532
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: I think they should put the swimsuit competition into the

533
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: paget because I can't have an opinion on that, right,

534
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't come down on either side of it.

535
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a really really fine one. I mean,

536
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm interested as a woman who's competed in it. The

537
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: you're where you're coming from with regards to all of it,

538
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: from the evening gown, from the interview, from the swim

539
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Oh man. So um I in my experience,

540
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: I enjoyed competing in the swimsuit competition because I go

541
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: walked across that stage and it was such an empowering

542
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: moment of the culmination of so much hard work of

543
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: being an athlete in the gym, So it was an

544
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: opportunity for me to to showcase what I had achieved

545
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: with my body. UM. However, so that's that's one part

546
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: of it. The other part of it is it's it

547
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: seems to reward a certain type of body and that

548
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: other like other types of bodies are not competing on

549
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: these stages because of the um. The people that that

550
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: end up winning because of the perception of who UM is.

551
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: You know, has a great body. You know, just because

552
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you look this way from from the gym, you know,

553
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: somebody else might put in the same amount of time

554
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: in the gym and look completely different UM. And the

555
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: so that there's also evening gown people wear makeup there.

556
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: It's very much a an image thing because they've they've

557
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: branded it as you are the face of an organization,

558
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: you should look at a a certain way. But the way

559
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: that the organization has gone now is they've removed the

560
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: swimsuit competition. The evening gown portion I don't think is

561
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: really even there. It's not scored like you can you

562
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: can win wearing in an evening gown, but you can

563
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: also if you decide to wear a pant suit for

564
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: the crowning. They they'll let you wear a pant suit,

565
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: which is fine. Um. So much of it is also

566
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: based on how how you can market yourself on social media,

567
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: Like last year they had this whole campaign TikTok um,

568
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: how you know, how how can you best use those

569
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: those skills? And and then a ton of it is

570
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: also like a an impact statement where you're talking about

571
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: you're basically giving a speech on whatever cause it is

572
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: that you care about. So I don't know that they've

573
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: done a great job of bridging the gap between like

574
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's still a pageant, right,

575
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Like at the end of the day, you can take

576
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: away evening gown, you can take away some so you

577
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: can take away all those other things. And I'm still

578
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: judging people based on their appearance in some way, shape

579
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: or form, And that's just what it is. So if

580
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: you don't agree with that, then like, you know, fine,

581
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: but then Miss America should go away, Like it should

582
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: just be like an essay contest or uh, you know

583
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: whatever else. I don't know, So it's there at a

584
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: certain point you have to be like accepting of what

585
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: it is. And it's a pet at the end of

586
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: the day. In my lifetime, I can't remember. I can't

587
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: remember how old I was, but it must have been.

588
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: It's got to be in the nineties. It had to

589
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: be in the nineties. There was a commercial. I want

590
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: to say it was a bud Light commercial because I

591
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: don't even know why. They did a how Miss American Pageant?

592
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: It's like a parody of a Miss American pageant, you know,

593
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: it's like the obvious choice or something like that. And

594
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: so it was this guy, you know, the pageant guy.

595
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: This is this is a commercial that was on national

596
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: television and it was like the guy's like, how how

597
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: would you make uh, the planet a better place? And this,

598
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, this brunette girl goes, you know, investment tax

599
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: credits for this, and then the next girl says, um,

600
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, education and stuff. And then at the end

601
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: there's this blonde girl and she looked into the camera

602
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: She's like, which planet and they at the end of

603
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: the commercialist then crowning her with the scene. I was like,

604
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, that was so commercial that an ad

605
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: agency came up with and sold it to a major

606
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: US corporation and they ran it on nighttime TV. It

607
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah, I mean people love to poke

608
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: fund it and people love to uh. You know what

609
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned at the very beginning was the the Iraq Girl.

610
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: Um it. It is such an interesting thing that's entered,

611
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: like the American cultural lexicon. Um. And I think at

612
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: a certain extent, like you just have to accept it

613
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: for what it is. And I don't know that it

614
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: has a place in the world today the way that

615
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: it's being marketed now. Um, I'm not really involved with

616
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: the organization anymore. I loved my experience. I love the

617
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: friends that I have made, um, but it's yeah, it's complicated.

618
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a direct answer. Do I

619
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: want Miss America to have a place in the world

620
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: because of the opportunities that I got from the organization, Absolutely, um,

621
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Speaker 1: But I don't know that we've figured out the exact

622
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: formula for modernizing it and making it, um, you know,

623
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: at least a more open forum, uh than than how

624
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of been in the past. Is limited to

625
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: certain body types, certain looks, certain whatever. Um. Yeah. So

626
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean I love, I love um Miss America as

627
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: like a institution, you know, part of these these women

628
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: we have like a list and email list serve of

629
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, however, many of us seventy of us, there's

630
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: only been nineties something miss America's um the only years

631
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: that they skipped the pageant or COVID and I think

632
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: some of the World War through the World War two

633
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: over One'm not sure. Um. So to be a part

634
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: of that history is pretty insane. UM. But I wanted

635
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: to continue to have another hundred years. And I don't

636
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: know that we've gotten to the point where we figured

637
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: out the formula from modernizing it for those next hundred years.

638
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: So to to be disperment God E B D TB

639
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: D keep up on that check back soon. As a

640
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: result of you being in Miss America and being Miss America,

641
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: you got to travel. UM. I kind of heard through

642
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: the grape vine, there's an interesting story about your husband

643
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: who was in the military. You on a trip. Um,

644
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I'd like, she did, I'd love you, I'd love you.

645
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: I'd love you to tell the story because I she told,

646
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like, that can't be real. That's my mother.

647
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: My husband was in the Marine Corps and the week

648
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: the week before, let's see, he was Yeah, so he

649
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: was deployed the to Afghanistan the day that I won

650
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: Miss America. So as he's on his way there, he

651
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: stops in Germany for whatever transfer at the Air Force

652
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: based in Germany to get to Afghanistan, and he checks

653
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: his phone and he's got a million text message saying, dude,

654
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: you're you're dating effing Miss America. So on the U.

655
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: S O Tour that I mentioned earlier, UM, I found

656
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: out that we were going to be going to Bagram

657
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: Air Force Base in Afghanistan, which is where Andrew happens

658
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: to be stationed. And I was going on this tour

659
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: with the Vice Chairman of the Joints Joint Chiefs of Staff,

660
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: Admiral winifeld Um. It was his tour, so he's, you know,

661
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: a high security individual in the military. So they told me, I,

662
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: under no circumstances can tell anybody that I'm going on

663
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: this tour. I was convinced UM the n essay or

664
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: somebody was listening into my phone calls, because every time

665
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I would get on the phone to call anybody, I

666
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: was hearing these clicks. I was like, Okay, somebody is

667
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: tapping my phone. For tapping my phone for sure. So

668
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: every time Andrew and I would get to talk. I

669
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: couldn't tell him because you know, maybe someone from a

670
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: stand is listening to the call. I don't know that

671
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the whole thing, So I didn't

672
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: tell Andrew that I was actually going to be at

673
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: the base. He found out on his own because there's

674
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: a poster posted in like the mess hall or something

675
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: of who is going to be coming on the U

676
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: s O Tour. And he walks by the poster with

677
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: one of his Marine Corps buddies because that's my girlfriend,

678
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: and they're like yeah, okay, and he's like no, no,

679
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: So everybody, everybody Andrews America, Yeah yeah, sure, sure ha ha.

680
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: We get there and it's this I haven't seen him

681
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: in six months, Like this is such a reunion, It's

682
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: this American love story moment. And and Andrew, my husband,

683
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: is like bleased. He ever wants to be on a stage,

684
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: is very shy, like it's not for him. They pull

685
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: him up on stage in front of like five thousand

686
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: Marines and Air Force people, army people or whatever, and

687
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: this is like his worst nightmare. When I asked him

688
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: about it, he's like, I blacked out for the entire thing.

689
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: All the Marines in the back or just like cheering

690
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: and screaming, and oh my gosh, it was like, yeah,

691
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: there's a huge American flag behind. This was one of

692
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: those moments of like, how did I end up here?

693
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Seeing Andrew in Afghanistan? It just it was a while.

694
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: It was the most highly supervised date of four hours

695
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: that I've ever had. And now and now you're married,

696
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: and now you you guys just adopted rescue dog named Steve.

697
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's full circle. Now you've got a dog

698
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: named Steve. What is life? Yeah, it's wild. We live

699
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. We just renovated a house. We're like

700
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: real adults. It's crazy. Is he still in the military.

701
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: What does he do now? Um? So he's got he

702
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: got out. I think last year he was had five

703
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: years after duty five years there's reservist and um now

704
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: he runs a defense tech software company, UM that works

705
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: primarily on drones. Drive a Tesla, you guys live. It's

706
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: just it's just such a stereotype. When people in San

707
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Francisco find out that I don't work in tech, they're like, oh,

708
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 1: so interesting. You're telling me how you're one of those

709
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: I've heard about those of those. Yeah, I've never seen

710
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: one in the wild. But what what for? What venture

711
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: firm do you work for? Yeah? What round of seed

712
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: funding are you on? So now you work in golf,

713
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: talk to me about how you got into I mean,

714
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: now you're at golf tournaments interviewing the best players in

715
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: the world and you work for Golf Channel. Man, how

716
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: does how does someone go from pageants to golf Channel? Yeah?

717
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: So during the year I mentioned, I played in those

718
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: proems in the Golf Channel interviewed me. I think they

719
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: actually broke down my swing in slow motion once and

720
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: this was really unfair because it was so bad at

721
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: the time. It can't it can't be too bad. You've

722
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: made the cut twice, a T and T double of

723
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: each program. I mean, yeah, I should have gotten much better.

724
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: I've been grinding on the game. There are there are

725
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: people that play that every single year, rich people, um athletes, actors,

726
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: musicians who are desperate to make the cut and they

727
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: never make it. You've made it twice. It's really pretty

728
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: good to tell you. Yeah. Yeah, So after the year,

729
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I thought I wanted to do entertainment news because of

730
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: all the Dick Clark stuff that I've gotten to do.

731
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: So I wanted to work for like entertainment Tonight or

732
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Extra or something like that, and moved to l a UM,

733
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: and I was I was doing a ton of that

734
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: type of work, all on a freelance basis, but to

735
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: supplement my income, I was also hosting random golf pro

736
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: am events. And you know, there's a lot of big

737
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: clubs in the LA area, so I was you know,

738
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: people would hire me for you know, whatever charity fundraiser

739
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: to to be able to host their golfing and then

740
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: sometimes I would play. And I started to make a

741
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: lot of connections in in that world. And I was

742
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: also because I was working on this like entertainment lifestyle

743
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: e type content that is very transferable to the golf space.

744
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: So I was doing some random freelance work for either

745
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: Golf Channel or the Tour or whatever brand on some

746
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: of that more you know, not not as newsy, but

747
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: more like let me do this outfit video or I'll

748
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: go and host this travel series. UM. And my first

749
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: crack at real reporting was the U s g A

750
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: was looking for a digital reporter for the US Open

751
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Shinnikock and I had never really done any true golf

752
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: news reporting, and they called me out of the blue. Uh.

753
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: Through a random connection, I got a phone call from

754
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: the creative director guy named John Mummer, and he was like, hey,

755
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: you know this is I'm from the U s g A.

756
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: We're looking for La La La. And I was like,

757
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: is this a joke? Like do they know that this

758
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: isn't really what I do? But okay, sure why not? UM?

759
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: I was also in a time where I was like,

760
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: my what am I going to do with my life?

761
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Maybe I should go to business school, but I'll give

762
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: this a shot. So I worked the U S open.

763
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: They handed me a piece of paper on Gary Woodland

764
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: and they asked me to write a report and do

765
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: this report. And I was like, what's the report? What?

766
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: How do I? How do I do that? So I

767
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: like looked up. I think it was a video of

768
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: like Jessica Marksbury from Golf Magazine of something that she

769
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: had done for them in the past, and I just like,

770
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, used her template essentially and like Gary Woodland

771
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: owned the day today, La La La La, and I

772
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: figured out how to very much fake it till I

773
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: made it and was able to create this content for

774
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: them that I was actually about what happened at the

775
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: US Open as opposed to what people were wearing and

776
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: eating at the US Open. And I grew more and

777
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: more with the U s g A doing all their

778
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: championship coverage and doing some lifestyle e stuff as well. UM,

779
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: and then eventually figured out I've always said that specificity

780
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: in this business is really key to figuring out how

781
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: to get to the next stage. When in the minute

782
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: that I figured out that I specifically wanted to be

783
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: a golf reporter that I really love the day to

784
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: day storylines of the PGA Tour, golf players that go

785
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: through these insane ups and downs, how they get there,

786
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: what makes them tick, everything that goes into the process, UM,

787
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: is when I got that job with the Golf Channel

788
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: and became a reporter, I also UM in the meantime,

789
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: when and got my masters and journalism said also very

790
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: much underlined why I wanted to do what I do now.

791
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: And now it's been two seasons. I just finished my

792
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: last season, my last event at BMW Championship. I have

793
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: a bit of time off. I can't believe it's been Um,

794
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: it's already been two years. It's been an insane two

795
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: years to be a reporter in golf. Um, but yeah,

796
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: here we are. I mean, I mean does it. I

797
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: mean I did. I worked for Sky for I mean,

798
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: I know you've done some stuff for Sky and when

799
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: they first started bringing up the skycart, we were the

800
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: first people to do the sky cart and then Amanda

801
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: did the same thing at CBS. So but when we

802
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: were doing that, they've done some stuff for Golf Channel

803
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: um and done some morning drive stuff. And so my

804
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: dad had worked for Sky and they said, hey, we're

805
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna have we're just some new contract with the pg Tour.

806
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: We've got to have teams at every PGA Tour event.

807
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: Now Sky does. So they brought up the sky cart

808
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and they said, listen, you you can audition for it

809
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: because we need bodies, right because we just you know,

810
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: we've got forty some odd tournaments. Um. It took me

811
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: a long time to get comfortable on TV because when

812
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: you go on TV, especially when you do golf television,

813
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I think, um, you feel like you have to play

814
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: a character on golf television, right because golf golf is

815
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: so specific. You feel like you have to talk a

816
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: certain way. And I think the people that come on

817
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: like yourself, who come from not a real golf background

818
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: or even really a television background. I think that's why

819
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: you know you've been successful. We've got a new crop

820
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: of young people. You Amanda knows you. You all were

821
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: able to just come on TV and just be yourself.

822
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: And I think that that's a very that's hard to

823
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: do because you're trying. I always found like they throw

824
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: me into commentary and I'd be like, I am just

825
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: horrendous at commentary because I don't know what I'm doing.

826
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: I got pretty good at doing the skycar, and I

827
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: felt like I could interview people. I felt like I

828
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: could do all the stuff. I didn't mind doing stuff live,

829
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: but when they put me in commentary, I I found

830
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: myself saying, Okay, I'm going to try and talk like

831
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: a golf commentator as opposed to just talking like I

832
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: talked exactly. And I have had moments of, especially the beginning,

833
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: thinking that I needed to talk a certain way or

834
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: to be a certain way, to interview a certain way.

835
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: And the moment that I was able to let go

836
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: of that and just be myself and have a real conversation,

837
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: which is like such a novel idea. Um reporting and

838
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: interviewing got so much easier um, and I also have

839
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: to recognize that, you know, if they want me to

840
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: be there, if they're gonna hire me, then they want me.

841
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: They don't want you know, insert name. They're there paying

842
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: for the specific product of Ci Dixon. And I need

843
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: to accept that, be okay with that, and feel empowered

844
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: through that and just be myself completely. And it seems

845
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: to it's working out. Let's take a quick break and

846
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: we are back. I'm always interested in the female reporter

847
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: in the male dominated in the male dominated sports. UM

848
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: is very is very different. UM. I used to always

849
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: we would when when Amanda and CBS started doing their

850
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, their cart, Um, it kind of got put

851
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: right in the same areas as ours, and I'd be like,

852
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: and I'd say to Amanda, they all want to give

853
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: interviews to you. They don't want to give any interviews

854
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, yeah, you know, it is interesting. UM,

855
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: but I think that, you know, I'm just there to

856
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: do my job and and I'm doing it well, Amanda's

857
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: doing it well. UM. You know, there's a certain like

858
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: social aspect to it, especially with golf, but hey, if

859
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: you know your sport and you know how to discuss it,

860
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: you know they don't care, um, if you're a man

861
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: or of They're just happy. They're just happy that they

862
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to have an interview because that means

863
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: they played well. So for the most part, these guys

864
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: will stop and talk to whoever and whatever because it

865
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: means that things are going well for them on the

866
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: golf course. Uh. And if if I get to talk

867
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: to them, that's also a privilege for me. So it's

868
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: always it's I don't think people realize that the best

869
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: part of your job is on Sunday when you get

870
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: to interview the winner. Right, you know Jordan's speech, Hey, Georgan,

871
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: you know it's amazing. But invariably they're going to ask

872
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: you to interview somebody that's just the last four holes

873
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: coming down the stretch and throw away an opportunity to

874
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: win their first tournament. And I don't think the fans

875
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: and people that watch golf that on TV that don't

876
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: understand how TV works, is they throw these players they

877
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: don't want to talk, right, that's just the last thing

878
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: that they want to do. You've you've got to stand

879
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: there and ask them questions. It is. It can be

880
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: a really awkward thing because I don't also think the

881
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: fans realize they've literally come it's ten minutes from the

882
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: last time since they come off. The poles signed their card.

883
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: The winners are elated, But the guys that you have

884
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: to interview sometimes that I didn't get it done, that

885
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to win. I mean you can see them,

886
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: they're they're driven with sweat. They've just come off the

887
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: golf course. That that's a tough one. Oh yeah, you're

888
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: just describing it gives me like the hejs. It's like,

889
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't do you do the same thing that you apologize, Hey,

890
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We have to I'm sorry I have to

891
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: do apologize because they know the deal, right, Like they

892
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: know that this is part of the deal. So I

893
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: just say, like, we're going to get you out of

894
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: here as quickly as possible. I'm I try not to,

895
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to belabor the point that

896
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: you just lost. Maybe maybe max three questions depending on

897
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: what they say. Usually keep it to two. I mean,

898
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: my first interview post round interview with winner and loser

899
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: ever was at riv the year that Max Homa beats

900
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Tony Fine in a playoff, which is already insane. It's

901
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: like an instant classic, right, Like Max misses this shorty

902
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: to have to get into the playoff, Tony plays out

903
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: of his mind and I So we interview Max first,

904
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just managing the nerves of doing this

905
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: for the very first time, and so I you know,

906
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: get to be a part of this amazing, you know,

907
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: life changing dream moment for Max. And then go and

908
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: talk to Tony who it's like a thing now people

909
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: are talking about I'm not able to finish the win

910
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: and the tournament to be able to actually raise the trophy.

911
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: And he was so gracious in defeat and so understanding

912
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: that this is part of the deal, this is just

913
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: what what he needed to do. He gave me a wonderful,

914
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: very nice, eloquent answer. And that was that same with

915
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: when you know Patrick Cantley loses to Jordan's speed at

916
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: the RBC Heritage. You know we have to we have

917
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: to talk to Patrick, like in the little tunnel of

918
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: where they get they go to to get into the

919
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: car to leave, like he stops answers two questions. Great,

920
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: moving on. I mean there's so many moments of just

921
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: like they get it. Um, it sucks, it's uncomfortable, for

922
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: all parties, but they owe it to the viewer and

923
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: the fan to do it. That's why they have to

924
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: do it. Um, they don't always do it. There there

925
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: are some that don't don't do it, and that's up

926
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: to them. Um. But getting to do the winner interview

927
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: for me is always so special because it is in

928
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: a huge responsibility because it is incumbent upon you to

929
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: facilitate a moment in a very high pressure, high emotion

930
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: piece of of time and their lives. They will always

931
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: associate you with that moment, so you must make sure

932
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: to facilitate a positive, great way for them to be

933
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: able to express the emotions of of winning on the

934
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: PGA Tour or wherever. So um, yeah, those are my favorite,

935
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, high stakes. Just I walk away from that

936
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: with adrenaline, in so much excitement of this is what

937
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: I do. This is so much fun. So there's parts

938
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: of this job that can be really monotonous and long

939
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: hours and long days whatever, but when you get to

940
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: that moment and it's great, you walk away feeling like,

941
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just crushed that, Like it's everything

942
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: I always liked when I was doing the skycart because

943
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, they bring the players for interviews. You know

944
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: you're in you're in that last hour of the tournament

945
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: and you've got your producer, you're watching the golf. You're

946
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who you're going to get for interviews.

947
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, if he if he Bertie Celestry, holes,

948
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: we've got to get him. And then you know you've

949
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: got to get him in a very very quick period

950
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: of time, and then they get out and then somebody us.

951
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: But I always found that last hour to be a

952
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: lot of fun. It's chaotic. You're trying to get the

953
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: requests in, You're trying to run around, and then they

954
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: keep bringing them and you're like, Okay, we're doing this now. Okay,

955
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this now. And that was the part

956
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: of it. I actually are always liked um. I think

957
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: one of the dirty secrets about TV. Unless you're Trevor

958
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Immelman or Tony Roma and they're grooming you to take

959
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: the seat where you're on camera, they don't really give

960
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: you a lot of training. People people say to me,

961
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: you know how, what kind of training you have for Scott?

962
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: I said, listen, believe it or not. One of the

963
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: ways that you're gonna stay on TV is you show

964
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: up on time, you don't cause really any drama with

965
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: the crew or the lighting, and everybody likes you, and

966
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: you don't mess up on air. If you do those

967
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: three things on a consistent basis, they'll invite you back.

968
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: Because the amount of people that cannot mess up on

969
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: air when it's live, that don't get flustered, that don't

970
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: show up on time because I don't think people that

971
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: come out. I found a lot of um, the influencers

972
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: that come into the Gulf television space that I've worked

973
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: with in the past, they're so used to doing everything

974
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: on their own to themselves. They don't realize that Okay, no, no,

975
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: Now there's a guy operating the camera, and there's five

976
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: people for lighting, and there's producers. There's no editing. There's

977
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: there's no editing. You've got to do it live and

978
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: it's not just about you in front of the camera.

979
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: It's about this whole thing you're telling. Yeah, it's a

980
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: completely different skill. I will say NBC did a good

981
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: job of, um, you know, sitting me down and just

982
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: describing exactly know what this was going to be like.

983
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: Lah lah lah. They had me um speak with a

984
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: very seasoned reporter that took me through a bunch of

985
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: examples of the way that you know that she phrases questions.

986
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, even with the

987
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: master's journalism, the only thing that will truly prepare you

988
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: for TV is reps. And when the light goes on,

989
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: when the light goes on, some of the better come

990
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: out of that mouth. Um. You know, you can theorize

991
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: about how it's going to be, so many people can

992
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: walk you through, but the feeling, like the inner body

993
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: feeling of live television of millions of people watching, is

994
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: something that cannot be taught, and it will only come

995
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: with reps. And you can either do it or you can't.

996
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: And it's not meant for everybody. But when you do

997
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: master it, it is the most exhilarating thing on the

998
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: planet to to me at least. Um, And look, I

999
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: have messed up so many times I have, um, you know,

1000
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: said the wrong number, said the wrong stud And the

1001
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: golf audience will not go not like anything by the golf.

1002
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: Social audience loves any mistake of human you know, hey, hey,

1003
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: you know Tony, it was a great put on fourteen

1004
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: and it was a put on fifteen you immediately as

1005
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: soon as he walks away, you your your social feed

1006
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: just goes yeah, nice going, idiot. It's like, come on man, totally, totally, totally, totally,

1007
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: or or if you phrase something to the golfer themselves

1008
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: that and they don't like the way that you phrased it,

1009
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: they will in the interview call you out for it,

1010
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm on television, bro, like give me

1011
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: trying to make you look good. I'm trying to just

1012
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: to help me out here. So there's just so many

1013
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: of those little nuances and things that you don't think

1014
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: to think about ahead of time, and it takes years

1015
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: to understand. And those nuances changed from player to player.

1016
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: Your tone of voice, the way that you the way

1017
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: that you phrase something to them, the way that you

1018
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: bring up something from the past or whatever. Like you know,

1019
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 1: one player might react to question with this wording um,

1020
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: but if you use the same wording for a different player,

1021
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: they'll give you a one word answer. So you have

1022
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: to then also understand, like you know, from a field

1023
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: of a hundred and fifties six people, how you're going

1024
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: to to make sure that you're catering this to every

1025
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: single athlete that you speak to and that just takes time.

1026
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: So anyone that's interested in reporting, just keep in mind

1027
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: that it takes a lot of time. And um and

1028
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: just reps is year, Like my second year at Sky,

1029
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: they threw me out at Deutsche Bank during the playoffs.

1030
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: They threw me out and they said we're gonna throw

1031
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: you on course and I was like, grand, I've never

1032
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: done on force reporting in my entire life, never done it.

1033
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: And so Rory was in the group. Um, I had

1034
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: me out there. They weren't really coming to me a

1035
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: lot um and so a couple of times they'd come

1036
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: to me, and so Rory middle, I mean, we're now

1037
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: on I think we're on fourteen or fifteen. It's late,

1038
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, we're going off air. We're just gonna follow

1039
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: them in. So um, and it's a Thursday, and so

1040
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: we're out on the course and so um, Rory's the

1041
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: military hits one over the green and I don't go

1042
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: down there to check the lie because I'm like, they

1043
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: haven't come to me at all. So they're like, and

1044
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: he's standing over he's getting ready to hit, and I

1045
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: was like, and I panic, and I was like, Okay,

1046
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: he's hit that. I was like, Oh, that's that needs

1047
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: to slow down, that that's gonna roll all the way

1048
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: off the green, and my reporter Dave Randall says, to

1049
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: be in my ear, yeah, we can see that, and

1050
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: and so they go away, and I immediately pushed back

1051
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, that's all that training you

1052
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: gave me, Like I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah,

1053
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean there's I fully empathize with that feeling of

1054
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: like oh crap, like what did I just say? Um

1055
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: and whatever. It's part of the learning process. And the

1056
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: people that I've worked that I work with have been

1057
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: really great about giving me feedback. I am, um, probably

1058
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: really annoying about constantly calling people and asking them for

1059
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: for feedback um. And and when you ask for it,

1060
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: they'll give it to you. They're not necessarily just hand

1061
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: things out willy nilly, but I uh yeah. I bother

1062
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: my producers and everybody back in Stanford to constantly let

1063
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: me know if things are good, if they're bad, what

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00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: can I change? La la la. I saw Jim Nance

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00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: at Wimbledon this summer and we were talking Trevor and

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00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: woman who's one of my very close friends. I worked

1067
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: with Trevor when he was a player and now Trevor's

1068
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: going to take um uh Nickleson's seat at at CBS.

1069
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: And I was talking to we were having lunch and

1070
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jim about it, and he was saying,

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00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, the thing I love most about Trevor is

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00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: from day one, he would any time he was on air,

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00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: he would he would see me and he would say, Hey,

1074
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: anything that you could give me advice, any pointers and

1075
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And Jim said, to watch Trevor's kind

1076
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: of rise from when he started as as a player,

1077
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if he wanted to play, then

1078
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: going to TV to where he gets the big chair

1079
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: now next to an icon in in you know, sports

1080
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: broadcasting a guy like Jim nance Um, I don't think

1081
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: the fans realize how much homework and how many reps

1082
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 1: you're trying to get. It is like a sport. Being

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: on TV is like a sport. The more the more

1084
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: times you're in the hunt on the back nine on

1085
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: Sunday as a player, the less you're gonna panic. Your

1086
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: first time, you're gonna panic. Lie, TV, they're throwing a

1087
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff at you. You've got to do a

1088
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: bunch of interview like it, and it happens sometimes so

1089
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: fast here it does it You're like, are we done?

1090
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: Are we all fair now? Because it seems like it happens,

1091
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: but it is. It does take reps and practice to

1092
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: get comfortable. Because I think the great people on TV,

1093
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: guys like Jim nance Um, guys like Dan Hicks, they

1094
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: make it look so easy. I mean, they just make

1095
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: it look like and people don't realize how hard that

1096
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: job is to make. Being on air and telling stories

1097
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: and all of that seems so easy. I've had a

1098
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: conversation with Jim about that as well, and he this

1099
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: is so Jim, he said, the way he describes what

1100
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: it's like to sit in the booth and talk about

1101
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: it is he because it's just like poetry, like like

1102
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: freestyle poetry, which it really is. But to be able

1103
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,479
Speaker 1: to react, not to just you know, everybody can say,

1104
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: okay to twelve, the approach shot for Tony Final, whatever,

1105
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: But to be able to react to breaking news or

1106
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: crazy situation or a wild story or a moment within

1107
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: seconds and to be able to put it eloquently in

1108
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: a way that moves people is just It's an insane skill.

1109
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: To Rico is also really really good at Mike's amazing,

1110
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's mind blowing that they're able and like

1111
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: the retention that they have on the stats and they

1112
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, of course there's people that are that are

1113
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: helping them out with some of the specific numbers. But sometimes,

1114
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, Torico will be like, and how could you

1115
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: forget you know, in two thousand and five that la

1116
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: la la, Like, uh, yeah, I'm sorry, Mike, I don't

1117
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: have that in my back pocket. But um, you know,

1118
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: from a reporter standpoint, you have, you know, some breaking

1119
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: news happens. You have to walk the range and convince

1120
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: guys to talk to you about maybe something that they

1121
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: haven't even looked at or seen or whatever. And they're

1122
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: going to stand there and be on live television and

1123
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: like make sure that they are comfortable with knowing that

1124
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: you're not going to put them in about situation. You're

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: just trying to get the facts. You're just trying to

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01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: get reaction. And that's another thing with you know, I'm

1127
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: sure that you run into all the time. It's just

1128
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: your relationships and developing your credibility with people on tour,

1129
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: on the range or whatever that they know that they'll

1130
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: talk to you and that everything will be okay in

1131
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: terms of it's it's on the record, if it's on background,

1132
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: if it's whatever, um And that takes time of just

1133
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: establishing because when I first started, especially I first started

1134
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: with when COVID was very much um you know, everyone

1135
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: was masked. You couldn't even go near at players. So

1136
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: it's very hard to report in golf when no one

1137
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: knows you, and then they also cannot physically speak to

1138
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: you because they're so far away. I also think professional golfers,

1139
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: certainly on the men's sides, are a little bit like dogs.

1140
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: They'll they'll kind of look, they'll look at you, they

1141
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: might bark a little bit, but if they see you

1142
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: enough times, then they'll come over and they'll they'll kind

1143
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: of there's a familiarity to where where a lot of

1144
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: times they can be stand off. Two years in um

1145
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: um interviews that you like, because obviously when I was

1146
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: doing interviews, if there were people that I knew, people

1147
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: that I had good relationships with, people that I felt

1148
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: comfortable with off camera, I think not always shines strong.

1149
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: Are there players that you look forward to interviewing? Are

1150
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: their players that you say to yourself, I mean, let's

1151
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: be honest. There are guys that are good interviews that

1152
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: think that way, um, and then there are got me.

1153
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: Rory is a great interview. Rory likes to talk, Jordan's

1154
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: speech likes to talk. DJ doesn't like to say much.

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01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Brooks doesn't like to say much. Right, Um, Who are

1156
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: the interviews that you really really like? And have there

1157
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: been interviews that you've done to where when you walk

1158
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: away you have that moment where you both look at

1159
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: each other and you go, that was really good. Yeah, Yeah,

1160
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: I've had. I've been lucky to have a lot of them,

1161
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: and you mentioned a few. Jordan's speek is amazing to

1162
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: talk to. Will always give you a thoughtful, insightful answer

1163
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: that's real. Um. Rory obviously will always do that. John

1164
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: rom if you ask him good questions, we'll give you

1165
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: amazing answers. Um. Zala Torus has become one of my

1166
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: favorites to always talk to, always willing to give genuine,

1167
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: real insight. Um. I'd say, you know, in terms of

1168
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: interviews that have been my favorite over the last few years.

1169
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: I interviewed Joseph Bramlett last year after he won the

1170
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: Corn Ferry Tour Championship. And this is a guy that

1171
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: has had, you know, five six years of insane health

1172
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: issues with his back, battling back to finally get to

1173
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: a place where he can be competitive and professional golf,

1174
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: and he wins the Corn Ferry Tour Championship and it's

1175
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: this moment of just it was overwhelming to know how

1176
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: much he had fought through to get to that place

1177
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: of a winner interview and to be the one that

1178
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: facilitated that moment that emotion for him was was so

1179
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: it was so incredible. It was such a special thing

1180
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: of like this has truly affected and changed to this

1181
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: person's life. And I walked away from that just feeling like,

1182
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, like this is this is why I

1183
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: do this, This is the best thing ever. I love

1184
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: this job. I had a similar thing with j T

1185
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: Posting at the John Deer Classic this year. He uh

1186
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: just was so raw and emotional about how hard this

1187
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: is and was able to share that in a um

1188
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: just a really genuine way that you don't always get.

1189
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: And then I had a great one with Rory after

1190
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: he won the c J Cup. I think it was

1191
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: his twenty win, which gives you lifetime status. Yeah, and

1192
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: it was right after they had lost the Writer Cup.

1193
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: There was still a lot of emotion associated with that.

1194
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: So it just it felt like a a really poignant

1195
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: moment in his career, an insane career, that I could

1196
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: have a small piece of being a part of that history.

1197
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: Um So if those are the ones off the top

1198
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: of my head that come to mind of like, Okay,

1199
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: this was really special. Lastly, you said that you know,

1200
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: one of the things that you have to do is

1201
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: is is be able to react to breaking news stories. Um,

1202
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: the golf professional landscape right now, I was like a lot,

1203
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: but it is. It is as crazy as it's ever been.

1204
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, Um, you're on the p g A Tour.

1205
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: You're working for Golf Channel and NBC, who are very

1206
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: closely aligned with the PGA Tour. There is this massive

1207
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: divide right now. I've gone the opposite direction. Right now,

1208
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: the only players that I currently am working with are

1209
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: playing on the live tour. So it's like I've gone

1210
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: to and entire as as as you know, and I

1211
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: think it's hard for people to to realize that aren't

1212
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: around it like we are. There is a giant PGA

1213
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: tour ecosystem. There is a real living, breathing ecosystem that

1214
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: is the p g A Tour. And now that you know,

1215
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: I would say that that's been I guess I guess

1216
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people on the PGA tour think

1217
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: LIB has threatened that um, but it is for for

1218
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: those of you that are in media, that are on

1219
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: the front line, it's I mean, you don't have to

1220
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: search for things to talk about. No, no, it's so funny.

1221
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: Every week it's like, oh boy, like, what's what's those

1222
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: the breaking storyline this week? So like the week of

1223
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: three m was the week that um, I believe the

1224
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: lawsuit news was announced that this that you know I watched,

1225
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: I watched you going up, so you know, the three

1226
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: players announced that they're gonna be um um suing for

1227
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: temporary restraining order and then the anti trust suit and

1228
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And it was one of those exhilarating,

1229
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, adronaline moments of like, Okay, we gotta track

1230
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: down sound, we gotta get reaction from people, um so

1231
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: that we have something to put on the show, uh,

1232
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: and also some information, some actual concrete facts about what

1233
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: is happening, what what is the kind of legally is

1234
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: behind this that I can say in layman's terms, um,

1235
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: without you know, pretending to actually understand what the legal

1236
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: ramifications of all these things truly are. UM. And then

1237
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, this week it's last week at the BMW Championship.

1238
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: It's this secret meeting of twenty two. So every week,

1239
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: like are now running joke with the producers is like

1240
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: what are we going to talk about this week? And

1241
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: it's it's honestly really exciting when we get to just

1242
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: talk about birdies and bogies because the other stuff is like,

1243
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: now it's just guaranteed that we're gonna be talking about

1244
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: some breaking news. I mean, you know, you kind of

1245
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: you have to laugh at it because otherwise it's just,

1246
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, it gets very serious and bogged down and

1247
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: like the ramifications of what this is going to have,

1248
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: the you know, the impact on professional golf if you

1249
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: think about it, like two years, five years, whatever down

1250
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: the line, like who knows what all this is going

1251
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: to look like. But in the meantime, like we're just

1252
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: like in the trenches trying to find the facts. It

1253
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: seems like they change not day by day but hour

1254
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: by hour, and just get the facts to the people.

1255
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: But honestly, on a serious dark here. Have you noticed

1256
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: that since Lived has launched, since they've had three tournaments, now,

1257
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: have you noticed a difference on the PGA Tour from

1258
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: a vibe standpoint pre we Live? Because you know, I

1259
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: was talking to my dad about this, um, you know,

1260
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: privately a couple of weeks ago. I was like, I

1261
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: just come back from Bedminster, and I was like, if

1262
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: you you know, they had the Big Live had their

1263
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: Big Player party at Gotham Hall and downtown Manhattan. Nelly's

1264
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: on stage, you know, Donald Trump's. I mean, it's just

1265
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: and I'm saying to myself, Okay, if I can go

1266
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: back in time, and I can go back to the

1267
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 1: Masters and say, okay, guys, I've gone forward in time,

1268
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you with you, take me, I'm gonna

1269
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: take you with me. This is what the third Live

1270
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: tournament is gonna look like. These are the players are

1271
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna be played and and I guarantee you go. There's

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01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: no there's no chance and help, there's no way this

1273
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: happens right. And I think it's it's interesting that for

1274
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: all the yes, there's a ton of negative stuff, but

1275
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: I think we are at a really interesting time, not

1276
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: only engulf but I think we are in a really

1277
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: interesting time in in sports, um, you know, with what's happening.

1278
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean I've gone to all the live events and

1279
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: three of them, and people ask me what they're like,

1280
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: and I say, um, either feel like I'm part of

1281
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: we work and this is there are times where you're

1282
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: like you're listening to all the extraneous people talk and say,

1283
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: there's no way this can work. There's no way this

1284
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: can work. It won't last, it won't last. So as

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01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 1: someone who has you know, been a part of the

1286
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: live experience and had had spent you know, the majority

1287
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: of my you know, professional life working on the PGA Tour,

1288
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: it's a completely different thing. And I constantly am saying

1289
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: to myself, am I part of a dot com startup

1290
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: that won't work? Or am I at the start of Google?

1291
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: And this is going to turn into something that nobody

1292
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: could envision? And I think it is a fascinating time

1293
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: for for all of us that are involved in professional golf,

1294
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: regardless of what side you're on. Um. You know, my

1295
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: dad on my podcast recently and he said, you know,

1296
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: it's live in the PGA Tour like our politics, right,

1297
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: they just keep getting further and further apart as opposing

1298
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: to try and come to the middle and say, okay,

1299
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: let's figure out a way to work this out. Because

1300
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: I can tell you that hera as much animosity as

1301
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: there there seems to be. When we all went to

1302
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: the Open Championship, I saw all the same people and

1303
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: I didn't see anybody get treated any different. I mean,

1304
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: Rory rocked up next to DJ, put his balls right

1305
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: now next to him on Tuesday and today, what are

1306
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: you guys up to? We talked him for twenty minutes

1307
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, what are you doing? And he

1308
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: said him going to play practice found and Roy said hey,

1309
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: can I join you? And we went yeah, because that's

1310
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: what we always do. I mean DJ probably plays twenty

1311
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: twenty times a year in practice rounds of Roy. Yeah, yeah, Well,

1312
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: I think the Open Championship is also before a lot

1313
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: of the UM. Not to say that that Rory and

1314
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: DJ wouldn't still have that interaction, and I don't know.

1315
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you I'm not I'm not them, um.

1316
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: But as far as a vibe check, I GA, you

1317
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: can say on the PGA tour, UM, I have noticed

1318
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: a ton more. You know, this has gone from like

1319
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,879
Speaker 1: hush hush whispers to like everybody's talking about the random

1320
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: breaking news or whatever the story of the day is. Um.

1321
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: And it also seems, you know, just based on all

1322
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: the changes that have been announced, people have gone from

1323
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: really thinking about golf. This is just my impression that

1324
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: you know, people think about golf is a very individual sport.

1325
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: I just put my head down and play. That's what

1326
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: I need to focus on. And it's changed from like, Okay,

1327
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: now we need to be advocates of our sport, and

1328
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: how are we going to pull our power and all

1329
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: come together and bring our influence into one thing so

1330
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: that we can create this product to be what we

1331
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: what we envisioned it to be, and to make all

1332
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: these changes and make them quickly. UM. And I don't

1333
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: know that that's ever really happened. And I mean, I

1334
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: guess in the sixties it did with with Arnie and Check,

1335
01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: but not to this level. So that has been fascinating. Um.

1336
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 1: There's probably guys that have sat in meetings and had

1337
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: conversations that they've never ever thought that they would ever

1338
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: do things like that because all all they've ever done

1339
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: is hig golf ball. Um. So it's it's interesting to

1340
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: see that evolve UM and see people take more more

1341
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: agency over the league that they play in or the

1342
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: future that they want to have. UM. But yeah, I

1343
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: mean you sit in a I mean I sat in

1344
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: player dining at one point at BMW and there's like

1345
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: all these little groups and everybody's chatting away, and like

1346
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: it's just you know, that fascinating to you know. Care.

1347
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: One of the things that I can do find interesting though,

1348
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: is I've been you know, my dad played the PGA

1349
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: Tour of my grandfather won the Masters, So I've been

1350
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: around professional golf literally my entire life. I was told

1351
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: that two weeks after I was born, my dad was

1352
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: still playing the tour. So I was in the back

1353
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: of a station wagon and I was on tour. So

1354
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,839
Speaker 1: it's really been the majority of my my adult certainly

1355
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: you know more about this world. And but what I

1356
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: find really interesting is just for all of the supposed

1357
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: negativity that this whole thing has happened since lives come in,

1358
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: it is galvanized people to act and band together. The

1359
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: live people of galvanized and feel like they're part of

1360
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: something that they're all going to band together, that there's

1361
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: a brotherhood on the Live Tour now and out of nowhere,

1362
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're getting the best players on

1363
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour to say, Okay, we're going to commit

1364
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: to playing these tournaments. You know, these guys are all individuals.

1365
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: They practice when they want, they play when they want,

1366
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: they play which tournaments they want to play. And I

1367
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: think one of the positives to come out of it

1368
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: is as as many negatives that have come out of it,

1369
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: is somehow, some way through all of this turmoil, a

1370
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: bunch of individuals on both sides are saying, hey, listen,

1371
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 1: let's get together and talk, as opposed to just doing

1372
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: our own things. Because when I when I grew up,

1373
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: co chain on the European Tour, the European Tour was

1374
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: like that. Everybody got on the same planes, everybody got

1375
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: in the same cars, everybody stayed at the same hotels.

1376
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: We all ate together, we all traveled together, we all

1377
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: went to the course together. And then you would go

1378
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: to the PGA Tour and the joke was Phil's getting

1379
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: on his jet, bj is getting on his jet, Um

1380
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: Tiger is getting on his jet, nobody's sharing jets, nobody's

1381
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: doing anything, and everything was really, really individual. And I

1382
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: think it's been fascinating to watch not only the guys

1383
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: on the Live band together, but as a result, you're

1384
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: getting guys on the PGA tour now to say, hey, listen,

1385
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: what can we all do for the greater good of

1386
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: our tour? And I think this would have never happened.

1387
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: Something like this wouldn't have come along. Well, I don't

1388
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: see them sharing jets anytime soon still cloud, but but um,

1389
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: it is interesting to see them come together and build

1390
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: a better product because there there were things that that

1391
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 1: needed to change and that we're lacking in the product,

1392
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: and and things that you know, just from a lifestyle,

1393
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: lifestyle perspective for them, from a length of season or

1394
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: feeling that you're if you're not playing certain fall events

1395
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: that you're then way behind infedex cut points or you know,

1396
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: all the minutia of all those little things. So and

1397
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be better for the for the golf fan,

1398
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: and it's going to be better for the viewer to

1399
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: be able to see these guys come together a lot

1400
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: more often. Um. I wish that there's a world in which,

1401
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, I could see some of the guys that

1402
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: have gone to Live play against the guys that are

1403
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour on a more consistent basis, because

1404
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: I love those storylines. I love the kind of clashes

1405
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: that come with that as a golf fan. Um, I

1406
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: don't know that we are going to see that outside

1407
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 1: of majors and depending on you know how all these

1408
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: the world ranking points, everything shakes out and la la

1409
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: la um. So that is a bummer for the fan. However, Um,

1410
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, I new storylines will emerge, whatever it ends

1411
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: up looking like, and I'm very curious to see how

1412
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: it all ends up. Is like the bridge to all

1413
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: these new things really go into effect from the PGA

1414
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: Tour side. Um, it's fascinating. Well, I think, Um, the

1415
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: good news for you is I think you'll continue to

1416
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: have a lot of amazing things to talk about. Um,

1417
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: it's been great to talk to you. So it's hard

1418
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: to kind of watch kind of where you started a

1419
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Get now, the last question I

1420
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: have to ask you, because I know everybody listening wants

1421
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: to know how many times a year do you wear

1422
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: the Miss America set? How many times a year do

1423
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: you put it on? And so I don't wear this,

1424
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: I really don't ever but I just realized I'm sitting

1425
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: at my desk and what I have here as a

1426
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 1: decorative item. But I'm going to show you, oh the crown.

1427
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: Look at that. There is the crown that is so

1428
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: good just just lying around decorative items. This is actually

1429
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: an extra. The real real one is upstairs in a

1430
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: glass box in my living room. But this is my

1431
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: decorative desk paperweight. So this is like me giving an

1432
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: interview to somebody, go, you know what, you know what

1433
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: I just happened to have here? It's I just got

1434
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: the green jacket. It just happened. It happens to be

1435
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: hanging around when the other this one it's got, it's

1436
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: broken a little bit right here. This was the one

1437
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: that was like if the other one wasn't cleaning, this

1438
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: is the one I would there. All right. I mean,

1439
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: obviously no one's going to see this because the podcast,

1440
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: but can you go ahead and put it on for

1441
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: for us? Okay? How do I look? What do you think?

1442
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean? I mean, I know everybody listening can't see it,

1443
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: but I mean you look like you look like a

1444
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: Miss American winner debate. Yeah, I always have my invisible

1445
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: crown on these days. But Yep, there it is. You're

1446
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: great to talk to you. Hopefully, UM, you can all

1447
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: come together and we'll get to see um all you

1448
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: peeps on the PGA Tour more often, because I mean,

1449
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're in the same boat. Sure there's players, caddies,

1450
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: other people, and you're like, I don't get to see

1451
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 1: those people anymore. They're gone. Because I feel like that.

1452
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many people on the PGA Tour, caddies, players,

1453
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: coaches that were such a we you know, part of

1454
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: the tour championships. The first tour championship in Atlanta that

1455
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: I've missed in over a decade. It's it's it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah,

1456
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: there's definitely players that that I no longer see in

1457
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: a regular basis, And I'm like, man, that was a bumber,

1458
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: especially because you're you know, I just getting to this

1459
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: point where like we've got a good thing going here,

1460
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: Like I know I can go to you for good information.

1461
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 1: A lot another gone. Um, So yeah, that part is sucks, um,

1462
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: And I like the animosity and things like that are

1463
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: also not not nice. So I hope that everything works

1464
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: out and everyone will keep happy and there will be

1465
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: world peace. We look forward and we'll look forward to you,

1466
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: Kira bringing us all of the break Yes, we'll do.

1467
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: Please tune in. Thanks for talking to Terry, appreciate it.

1468
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: So that was a really cool interview with Kire Dixon.

1469
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: And listen you if you're a golfer and you're watching

1470
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: golf on TV, you're going to see her interviewing players,

1471
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: UM at all the big events, and uh, I think

1472
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: she's doing a hell of a job and really cool

1473
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: to see her and make that jump from um, you know,

1474
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: probably an industry that you would never think would mix

1475
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: with golf, but UM, I really enjoyed talking to her,

1476
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: and she's somebody that you know, when I'm on the

1477
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and I see her, you know, we talk

1478
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: and it's always fun to see what she's doing. So

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01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: good stuff from her. So questions, let's see what's the

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01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: difference between a corn ferry player and a p G

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: A tour player? UM, I mean, I think the gist

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: of that question is what is the difference between people

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01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: playing on tours um that aren't where they want to be?

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01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: And then you know, the holy grail of making it

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: to the p G A tour. Um. You know, I

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01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: was lucky enough this summer to go to Wimbledon and

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01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: got to watch Novak Djokovic in the quarterfinals. Lost the

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 1: first set, and um it got tight in the second set,

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01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: and every big point afterwards that Novac needed to win,

1490
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: he won that point. And the player that he was playing.

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01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: UM is as talented as he is, hits it as

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01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 1: hard as he is, has the shots that he has.

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to it being able to

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: execute the right shot at the right time, not only

1495
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: in tennis, not only in football, not only in basketball. UM.

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01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things I think because

1497
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: the playing field and golf is so much different than

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01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: other sports. UM from a talent level. I mean, listen,

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01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: when you watch basketball, UM, you're sitting even if you

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01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: played basketball, you know, not many people are lebron Not

1501
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: many people have the physical size of other sports. So

1502
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: it's easy to think that the playing field is very,

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01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: very on what level in golf because a lot of

1504
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: golfers look the same, a lot of golfers have a

1505
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: lot of the same skills. But at the end of

1506
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: the day, when you have to make shots, when you

1507
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 1: have to hit the right shot at the right time,

1508
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: when you need to make a downhill left or right

1509
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: put for six ft for par on the fifte hole

1510
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: with a one shot lead. Um. In my experience in

1511
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: watching and again I've been so lucky in my career

1512
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: to be around some of the best players in the world.

1513
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: They have the ability at the right time to execute

1514
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: the right shot. And I think when you watch golf

1515
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 1: on TV, we see it every year. You will see

1516
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: a player that isn't necessarily a household name has an

1517
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to win a golf golf to a great example

1518
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: this year, um Mito Pereira mean, I mean Mito. He's

1519
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: playing unbelievable golf. He was on the podcast. Um, he

1520
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: has a chance to win the p GA. He's on

1521
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: the last hole. All he needs to do is hit

1522
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: the fairway and he hits the ball in the water

1523
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: and doesn't get in of the playoff. Um. You have

1524
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: to be able to execute. And I think, UM, once

1525
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: you get to the PGA tour, Um, everybody is talented, right,

1526
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody is a great player. Um, if you

1527
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: make it to the corn Ferry Tour, Um, that's a

1528
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: hell of an achievement. But being able to execute, and

1529
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 1: also I think, um, one of the big differences is um,

1530
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: not making dumb mistakes. And again, to use a tennis analogy,

1531
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 1: unforced airs and tennis. I think a lot of players,

1532
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 1: when they're trying to get to that next level, they

1533
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: make dumb mistakes. Um. You've heard me talk about on

1534
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: the podcast before, making double boghies, triple bogies at the

1535
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: wrong time. So, UM, I think executing is what separates

1536
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: the good from the great. Let's see one of the

1537
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: top three things teenage kids should be working on most

1538
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: likely in the game and um, and likely don't UM,

1539
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think there's a lot out of things. UM.

1540
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 1: I think junior golfers You've heard me talking about it

1541
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: on the pod before. UM. I think junior golfers tend

1542
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: to practice what they're good at. UM. I go, you

1543
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: know when I watch junior tournaments, when I work with

1544
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: junior golfers, if they're a good driver of the golf

1545
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: ball and they're warming up, UM, they're gonna be hitting

1546
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: a ton of drivers. UM. If they're a great putter,

1547
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be on the putting green. If they're great

1548
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: in the short game, they're going to be in the

1549
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,599
Speaker 1: short game. So I think, UM, again, it's I say

1550
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: this all the time, UM, practicing what you're not good at.

1551
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: And I think you know, juniors and teenagers specifically tend

1552
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: to gravitate towards the things that they're proficient at. UM

1553
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: it's they're comfortable with. It's it's kind of a comfort level. UH.

1554
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 1: They don't like to practice things that they're they're not

1555
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: good at, that they're not proficient at. So UM, practicing

1556
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: your weakness is more than your strengths, I think is huge. UM.

1557
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: I think most junior golfers UM spend a lot of

1558
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: time on the drive being range and need to spend

1559
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: more time playing golf. So to me, the number one

1560
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: thing that I would tell you a teenager is play

1561
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: more than you practice. UM. I think you've got to

1562
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: learn how to play. There is an art to playing golf. UM.

1563
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: And just so everybody thinks that I don't make these

1564
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: UM questions up, we have a question from my dad

1565
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: b Charman. He says, who will be the next UM

1566
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: Jump to Live Which player? UM? Dad? If I knew

1567
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: that answer, UM, I'd be making money on that. I

1568
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 1: do think that in the off season UM Lives the

1569
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: Live Tour is going to end in three weeks UM

1570
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: and doesn't restart until kind of February. Maybe. UM, I

1571
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: do think that you're going to say, I don't know this. UM.

1572
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: I hear the same kind of rumors that everybody hears. UM,

1573
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: But I do think that you're going to see um

1574
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: more players go. UM just fact to life. I think

1575
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: anybody that thinks that Live is going to fold anytime

1576
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: soon is UM. They either want that to happen and

1577
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: that's the narrative they're trying to push, or UM their

1578
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: naive because they just aren't aware of what's actually happening.

1579
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: And UM, I think you are going to see players go.

1580
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: I think you UM, I think we will be surprised,

1581
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: as as as fans and as people that watch golf.

1582
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: I think you'll be surprised. Maybe it's someone that does go,

1583
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: but UM, I think players are going to go. And UM,

1584
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: I think Live is going to continue to UM do

1585
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: what it does. And I think the PGA Tour is

1586
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: going to continue to do what it does. And I

1587
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 1: might be in the minority, but UM, I think they

1588
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: can both be true at the same time. And UM, listen,

1589
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the p g A Tour

1590
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: and you're a fan of the players that play on

1591
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, and that's what you want to watch.

1592
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: Watch that. If you like what the product it lives,

1593
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: and you like the players playing at that, watch that.

1594
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: I I believe there's an audience for both. And I

1595
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: just don't. I fundamentally just don't get all this animosity

1596
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: as to what's going on. So Dad, I wish I

1597
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: knew the answer that question. Sadly I do not. UM listen.

1598
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: I really want to thank everybody for listening. UM. We

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01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: shut down the pod in the summer, came back with

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01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: my heart radio and really excited to be back doing it.

1601
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: And UM, I can't thank everybody enough for listening. UM rate, review, subscribe.

1602
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: But wherever you get your podcasts, and if you've got

1603
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 1: people that you know love golf and our interested in golf,

1604
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 1: UM tell them about the pod and we'll keep getting

1605
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 1: good guests. And I'm working on some UM some guests

1606
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: which I think we're going to be able to get

1607
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: the next month, which I think everybody is going to

1608
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: enjoy listening to and will definitely be UM thought provoking.

1609
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: Son of a bisch comes to you every Wednesday. Thanks

1610
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: for listening to everybody and We will see you next week.

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Speaker 1: He