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Speaker 1: Guys with me an all Star. Panela kurt nermy renowned

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Speaker 1: defense attorney, author A Trap with miss Arius, Parts two

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Speaker 1: and three of My Final Words on Amazon. Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: she said, Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Ray Kaputo, Lead

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Speaker 1: then there was only of the one wife time stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, he's called a love of fraud

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00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: and he is the focus of a Showtime docuseries called

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Speaker 1: The Love Fraud. His real name Richard Scott Smith. And

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Lisa, who was married to this guy

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00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: at the time. She was married to him. She found

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00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: out he's married to three women at the same time,

433
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: but there have been up to eight. He wormed out

434
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: of that by getting a Norman for one filing for

435
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: a divorce from her in absentia, leaving him for the moment,

436
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: we think, just married to one wife. His plan it's

437
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: not till death do his part. It's till you find

438
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: out about my fraud and you find out your bank

439
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: account's empty, your credit is destroyed, and your home is

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00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: being foreclosed on. That's what this guy is all about.

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00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: To Lisa, who created the website Scott the Crooked Smith

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00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: Dotweebley dot com. So in your mind, you went from

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00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: meeting Thurston Howell the third off Gilligan's Island to the devil, Yes, exactly.

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00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: And you know, when I first met him, I had

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00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: a job, a house, in a car, But when he

446
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: was through with me, I didn't have any of those things.

447
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: I was working at the time. I was working like

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00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: some chump assignment and he told me that he wanted

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00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: me to quit my job, that I didn't need to

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: work because he made enough money. But she was making

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: good money legitimately at the time that we were together.

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00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: But it wasn't millions of dollars a year like he

453
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: wanted everybody to think it was. It was really good money,

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00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: but not to that extent. He worked for a mortgage

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00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: company that was based out of Huntsville, and he did recruiting,

456
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: which meant that he would try to recruit other mortgage

457
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: brokerages to sign over to his brokerage, to take his brokerage,

458
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: to buy franchise of his brokerage. So I'm wondering if

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00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: that may have been a way that he finds his

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00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: targets through the banking business. I mean, you can look

461
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: right at bank accounts. I would assume you know. Another

462
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: thing I'm hearing Kurt NERMI defense attorney joining me out

463
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: of California, Kirk, we are hearing that bigamy or polygamy,

464
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: as Lisa said, is not prosecuted that much. Why is

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00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: that a low priority? Yeah, it's I guess it's one

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00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: of those unique crimes that maybe just doesn't draw that

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00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: much attention. You know, it's hard to say why prosecutors

468
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: don't fall up on this. Maybe it's difficult, maybe it's

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00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: across state lines. Maybe some of them see it as

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00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: a federal issue. But in this case, you're right. Certainly

471
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: charges of this elk should be brought in whatever states

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00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: is possible so this man can wind up behind bars.

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00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: One of his victims, Tracy, gave this guy access to

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Speaker 1: her money. They bought a house. They were planning to

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00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: invest in, a retirement condo on the beach in Florida.

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00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: He going by the name of Richard at that time,

477
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: said he was expecting a multimillion dollar payout for a

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00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: medical malpractice suit. Everything they did together revolved around the

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00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: date November seven, because that's when the money was supposed

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00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: to come in, and he would always say, November seven,

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00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm getting the check. Will be millionaires that day. But

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00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: it all fell in when Tracy's daughter got into his

483
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: car discovered pure bottles papers addressed to a lot of

484
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: different people with different names. At first they thought he

485
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: was a drug addict, but by the time she got

486
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: to her bank account, she found out it wasn't drugs.

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00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: He was bleeding her dry. How many women have fallen

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00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: victim to this one guy. He was not prosecuted at

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00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: that time for bigamy. So let me ask you this, Lisa,

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: do you know if he is with a woman right now?

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00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: I actually got about a month ago, who said that

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00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: her sister was engaged to him and living in a

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00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: house with him, and the sister who contacted me had

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00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: found the blog and then she saw the trailer for

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00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: the documentary and she was like freaking out, and I

496
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: just told her to get her sister out of there,

497
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: tell her she's going to have to cut her losses

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00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: financially and just leave, you know, And that's what she did. Yeah,

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00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: So he's still he's not. This hasn't slowed him down

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00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: as far as I mean, I'm sure it's caused issues

501
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: for him finding new victims, but he is still out there.

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00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: And what he's done since the blog started, what he

503
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: would do is he would try to control these women

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00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and prevent them from googling his name. Because some of

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00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: the women didn't know about the blog. I guess they

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00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't go online or anything. And I think a couple

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00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: of people he said something about, you know, this is

508
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: all Flanders. It's not true. He always has an answer

509
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: for what he's done and he's always the victim. Do

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00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: you remember that, maybe doctor Bethany Marshall, it's like a

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00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: willis join him out of la the liar, No matter

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00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: what you threw the liar. The liar had a lie

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00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: for you, and it was always believable, even my children.

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00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: What I tell my female patients when they call me

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00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: up all excited about somebody they've just met and it

516
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: sounds too good to be true, it's too If it

517
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: sounds too good to be true, run the other way.

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00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: I had a lady call me yesterday she just met

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00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: a guy. They talked for twenty hours on the phone.

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00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: She hadn't even gone on a date yet. She said

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00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: that he said that he owns a yacht, he used

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00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: to work for the CIA, he worked in the White House.

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00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: And she send me a link, and when I tried

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00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: to link to google him, the link was broken. It

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00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: was dead, so there's no proof of it. So, yes, live,

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00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: they're like a chameleon, but they always weave a story

527
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: that's too good to be true. I have a multimillion

528
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: dollar settlement coming in I don't know. I'm a king

529
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: in another country, the self a grand eyes. And also

530
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: I tell my female patients, there's no such thing as

531
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: a free lunch. This guy's not doing it for you

532
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: because he wants to do you a favor. He's not

533
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: saying he's going to pay your mortgage off because he

534
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: loves you so much, he's trying to get something out

535
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: of it. All of us need to get some reward

536
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: from all of our behaviors. And if you're dating somebody

537
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: who says they're going to give you the world, you know,

538
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: give you the moon, but you can't really figure out

539
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: what's in it for them, that's very suspicious. You know

540
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: what happened to playing old marrying for love? You know,

541
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: back to you, Lisa, you were talking about a woman

542
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: who is now with him. You think do you believe

543
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: that his actions have actually escalated since you guys parted. Yes, absolutely,

544
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: it's escalated, even since I was with him. I think

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00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: it's escalated in the sense that you know, he assaulted

546
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: someone number one, and then also he was I know,

547
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: after he split up from one of the ladies, he

548
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: actually took out a loan and forged her name, and

549
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, he was doing things like that, Like his

550
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: criminal activity was escalating because when I split up from him,

551
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: I did a background check on him and he did

552
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: not have a criminal record at all. So his criminal

553
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: activity escalated to where you know, he first got arrested

554
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: when he was charged with the assault, and then and

555
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: then he you know, he went on probation and he's

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00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: gotten the rest of for a few other things I

557
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: believed since then. So yeah, I think it's definitely escalated,

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00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, to you Jess got Morgan, I remember the

559
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: first case I had that was handwriting comparison. It was

560
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: a bank robbery. It's a bank robbery. Note once you

561
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: do it a couple of times, it's easy to tell

562
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: a forgery. J Scott. Yeah, it is nancy, particularly with

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00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: people that are not very well practiced at it, and

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: one say practiced at it. If you have a target, say,

565
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: for instance, one of these women, he would have to

566
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: be with them for like a protracted period of tom

567
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: and practice their writing over and over. What strikes me

568
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: is that he's gone through these women so quickly. There's

569
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: no way he could be necessarily as proficient at it

570
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: as somebody that was a professional unless tracing it. If

571
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: he got there are segments you're on something, he could

572
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: trace it. You know. I want to go to Lisa.

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00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: You created this website, Scott the Crook at Smith Dotweeley

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00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: dot com. What is your hope for this documentary on Shaytime.

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00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: My hope or my goal is to, you know, expose

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00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: him on a wider scale. Obviously, the documentary is gonna

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00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: I totally expect, fully expect more women to come forward,

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00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: you know, now that the documentary has come out and

579
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: that's getting a little bit more attention. I want other

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00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: women to be warned about him. Maybe they can prevent

581
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: themselves from being victimized by him. You know, we're hoping,

582
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: since he's on probation that if he screws up, it's

583
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: then he'll go to jail. I mean, we all want

584
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: to see him go to prison, to be honest with you,

585
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: But there it just hasn't been any charges that have

586
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: merited that kind of sentence for him. He's done thirty

587
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: days in jail here, is thirty days in jail there.

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00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: But that's about the extent of it. So we really

589
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: want him stopped. Like however, that looks probably prison is

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00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: the only things that is going to stop him, because

591
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: obviously he's still going on and seeing other women and

592
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: pulling them in, and also the fact that he gets

593
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: from jurisdiction, and jurisdiction is hard for the jurisdictions to

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00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: coordinate an effort to catch him. Richard Scott Smith, the

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00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: subject of a brand new DOCA series. It's not just fiction,

596
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: it's real. You don't believe me, Ask Lisa Nancy Grace

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00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,