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Speaker 1: you get that push. I'm not gonna go as hard

428
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Speaker 1: as I would if somebody else is right there one

429
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,200
Speaker 1: Either I'm you know, don't want to let them down

430
00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,560
Speaker 1: or I want to beat them either way, and so

431
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,000
Speaker 1: they're always a competitive always for sure and going on

432
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 1: and so that just that just drives why we do

433
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,040
Speaker 1: what we do. Yeah, I love it. No, it's it's

434
00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,119
Speaker 1: been uh, it's been really uh refreshing to have guys

435
00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,400
Speaker 1: that want to suffer with you, especially guys that even

436
00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,640
Speaker 1: guys that weren't military just regular dudes are Like it's

437
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 1: the same mentality I think at a high level, especially

438
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,120
Speaker 1: for you guys, what you have here, it's you know,

439
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,119
Speaker 1: those guys would be willing to suffer with you for

440
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,040
Speaker 1: a common goal I guess to like obviously be better,

441
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,640
Speaker 1: but you know, be good acrossmen for the most part.

442
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 1: But but having that is is awesome.

443
00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 2: So I feel like we've found that a lot with

444
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 2: hunting as well, Like the groups will hunt with not

445
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,000
Speaker 2: to compare to the military, but it's.

446
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 1: A similar thing where we hunt.

447
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,800
Speaker 2: It's a similar people, but like you're up against the

448
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 2: elements or whatever the deal is, and you're all in

449
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,040
Speaker 2: the shared suffering.

450
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 1: You're all doing it together. So it brings you a

451
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 1: lot closer together and builds those bonds and those friendships

452
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 1: I think faster than how like if if you and

453
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 1: I hadn't hunted, I don't think we would have the

454
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 1: relationship we we do at the same like speed. Right,

455
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 1: So we talked about that on a different podcast. I

456
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 1: was saying it was like dog years, you know, like

457
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: one day is like a week. And because you don't,

458
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,199
Speaker 1: you don't have these distractions, right, You guys have a

459
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: common goal. You're working towards something. You gotta you gotta

460
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: have each other's back.

461
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for you, like when we're hunting, it's it's different,

462
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 2: but for you it's life and death. Like you have

463
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: to roll like you're you're banking your life on those guys.

464
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: Correct it. You literally are making sure the guy next

465
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 1: to you on both sides is like that guy is gonna,

466
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 1: you know, take care of me, and I'm gonna take

467
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: care of him kind of thing. But there's a lot

468
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of intimacy with hunting, with with

469
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 1: the military, but especially hunting too. It's like, like you said,

470
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: you're not distracted. It's like you really are getting bonded

471
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 1: with somebody else going out there and suffering for the

472
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: most part, but like you have that common goal. And

473
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: that's just the military in general right there. Now, how

474
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: long have you been out I'm still in the SIEL reserves. Okay,

475
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: but what is that? What? Like, what what do you

476
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: the reserve units more of? Like, honestly, for me, his retirement.

477
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: So instead of being on active dude anymore, I show

478
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,239
Speaker 1: up once a month, do some administrative stuff. There might

479
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: be some training going on. I'll I used to go

480
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 1: out to San Diego more than did Virginia Beach because

481
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: we have we have two seal reserves of teams, but

482
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 1: also the active duty side in Virginia and San Diego.

483
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: And you do some training, just stay somewhat proficient. The

484
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: reserves used to be something where they call you up

485
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: to go active duty that they're not called We have

486
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: enough active people that they don't need us. But for

487
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: most part for me, it's retirement benefits that kind of stuff. Yeah,

488
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: ok so what was your day to day look like?

489
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 1: Uhan military stuff? Definitely nothing training though to stay ready.

490
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: In case for me, it's just it's a I actually

491
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: just saw this thing with Arnold Schwarzenegg where he's like,

492
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a reason to really do

493
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 1: it because it's an addiction. And so now it's just

494
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a good person if I'm not working out

495
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: that's it's just a fact. It's like if I don't

496
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: do it, I'm kind of a dick. Honestly, It's like

497
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: I just need to go do it, and then it's

498
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: like okay, now my day can carry on. But I

499
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 1: just like being you know, in shape and honestly a

500
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 1: lot of it, which obviously our kids are relatively close

501
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: to the same age. Like I want them to see me.

502
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: I want them to see my fiance Sam always working out,

503
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: because then they follow us. It's like they want to

504
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: be in the gym. I take the kids to are

505
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: CrossFit gym. It's a I've ever been to Trivium or not,

506
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, James uh Free Jamie, and so I go

507
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: there and bring the kids and it's like they want

508
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: to be a part of that kind of stuff. And

509
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 1: so for me to see so the house working out,

510
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: it's like I want them to have that kind of

511
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: structure growing up because my dad was military, he was

512
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: Air Force, but like I didn't really see him a

513
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: lot working out the house. It wasn't you know, there

514
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: wasn't house gyms right back then, so they were gone

515
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: doing whatever they were doing. But now it's like it's

516
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of uh giving them a good amount of structure

517
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: for what they see growing up. And obviously you know

518
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: your kid was in here swinging around saying I want

519
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: them doing that versus like sitting inside playing video games.

520
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: Like we don't have any video games. They just aren't

521
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: allowed to have them. And so that's kind of why

522
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, train for stuff. We've done some high

523
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: rocks events, iron Man stuff, Marathon's that kind of thing,

524
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: CrossFit events. But it's like I want the kids to

525
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: see that kind of stuff and just stay physically ready

526
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Ye love that. Well, where'd you grow up? Again?

527
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: Dad was Air Force? We moved on all the place

528
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: I was born in, uh Dayton, no Ohio. I think

529
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: I lived there for nine days, not positive. And then

530
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: we moved mostly suburbs of Chicago, Naperville if anybody know

531
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: where there is. But and then went into college at

532
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: Belmont Nashville, played soccer there, and then went out to

533
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: San Diego for for Navy for a decade and then

534
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: came back to Nashville. What years were you at Belmont? Oh?

535
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: Four to eight? Okay, a little bit after uh before

536
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: My buddy you know Judah Judea the line you ever

537
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: heard of? Them. He went to Belmont he played baseball there.

538
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: What years he play would have been probably oh nine

539
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: to probably just missed him, Yeah, missed him. Probably.

540
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: How do you, uh, how did you end up going

541
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: the Navy route with your dad being air Force?

542
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: Like?

543
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: What made you decide to go a different route than him?

544
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: This is not one of those like patriotic things, to

545
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest, I was supposed to play soccer, so

546
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: like I was in the I got put in the

547
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: draft my junior year to go play MLS, which I

548
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: would have been all right, I would have done a

549
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: few good years, but heart wasn't in it. I oddly

550
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: had my college roommate, who was a goalie in our team,

551
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: have a seal recruiter come to the house and not

552
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 1: at the time, I had no idea what that was,

553
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: but except for like, it's pretty specialized, Like it seems

554
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: pretty hard, and I said, I don't think you can

555
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: do that, dude, I don't think that's like your your thing,

556
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: and he goes, why don't you do it? So a

557
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: year later and it just kind of stuck in my

558
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: head and I had a buddy of mine, justin who

559
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: who I think he'd give me a book or I'd

560
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: seen a book on seal stuff. I'd read it on

561
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: some like soccer road trips that we had gone to

562
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: play some other schools and started reading up and I

563
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: was like all right. And then I'd gotten picked up

564
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: for like an accounting firm to go work. There didn't

565
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: accounting internship, and I was like this sucks, dude, Like

566
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: accounting sucks. I'm good at numbers. I'm really good at math.

567
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: Major in accounting, and I realized very quickly, like this

568
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: is not for me. At twenty one year twenty years old,

569
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, I was like, what is the

570
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: one thing that nobody can give you? Know, like parents

571
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: couldn't help you with it, any of that kind of stuff.

572
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: I'd never thought about the military. And then all of

573
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, I was like, well, seal program seems like

574
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: the hardest thing I could think of at the time.

575
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: And that's when I was like, I'm just gonna walk

576
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: into the recruiter's office and and go tell them I

577
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: want to be a seal. That's kind of how the

578
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: whole thing started with there's no like lifelong ambition to

579
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: be a seal. And then like blowing stuff up when

580
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: I was a kid. That's why it's a shooting thing.

581
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: Don't well?

582
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: And then like did you have to shift? I guess

583
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: your training and goals then to prepare for that or

584
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: how did that go down?

585
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: The running aspect was not an issue. It was running

586
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: sub five minute miles, you know, consecutively four or five miles,

587
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: and was no issue. I mean that was great. And

588
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: I was also about forty five pounds a lighter. I

589
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: mean college I was the same hype, but one hundred

590
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: and seventy pounds, like just could run all day, could

591
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: not lift a thing. I just wasn't a strong person.

592
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: Never grew up lifting, and uh once I got out

593
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: of college, done with soccer. Oddly, my senior year I

594
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: played college tennis just I walked on, which is so random.

595
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: So I technical claim in two sport athletes, but I don't.

596
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't ever really claimed the tennis part. But it

597
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: just turned into like I need to learn to swim.

598
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: I was good at diving boards, doing flips and stuff,

599
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: hugging myself off cliffs and everything, but not long distance swimming.

600
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: And I had to watch YouTube like figure out how

601
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: to swim the seal way, like combat side show breaststroke

602
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and uh, I think it

603
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: was Stu Smith had a video and if you ever

604
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: heard of that guy, but he was like one of

605
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: the original Seals to run or do like a video.

606
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: I followed his thing, had to figure out on my own.

607
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: Worked at a gym in Brentwood or Franklin, whatever it was,

608
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: and uh, I would spend like three am before the

609
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: gym opened. They'd let me go in and swim. I would.

610
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: I worked at the gym for about eight months, didn't drink,

611
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. I just I trained all day long

612
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: with some like UFC guys, some of the National Predators

613
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: guys all went there. It's like, what are you guys

614
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: doing that will make me stronger? And figure it out?

615
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: And then it just turned into like thousands of push

616
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: ups a day, thousands of flutterkicks, swimming, running. That was

617
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: about it. And I like CrossFit wasn't a thing back then,

618
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: back in eight oh nine, Like I didn't know about it,

619
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: and uh, but guys were doing like functional fitness and

620
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well, surely that'll help. I don't

621
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: know anything about it, didn't know any seals, didn't know

622
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: anything about it. And uh, and then I just had to,

623
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, keep practicing the test to get in. So yeah,

624
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: just kind of shipped that did you feel prepared? I mean,

625
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure no matter what, it's a system shock, But

626
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: did you feel prepared at all when you started doing things? I? Yes,

627
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I did. I got super addicted to it. I mean

628
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: I was so focused on, like, I don't care what

629
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: anybody tells me to do. I don't care what you

630
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: want to do. This is what I'm doing every day

631
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: until I get asked to go leave, Like you know,

632
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: the Navy's gonna like, hey, you're in now. But I

633
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: ran so much and I swam so much that when

634
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: I got in, I knew that my times were faster

635
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: than what they expected on the high end. I was like,

636
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to beat the fastest times that they want

637
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: us to do so that I know when i'm just exhausted,

638
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: that way, my body will still be able to do it.

639
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And so I knew when I got in, I'll be prepared.

640
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: But you're still in a shock when you get there, Like,

641
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: holy shit, dude, this is rough, Like it is very

642
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: hard that they surprise you very quickly. It's just complete.

643
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: It's chaos. There's hundreds of people there. God, but you're

644
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: like everybody that shows up is the best person from

645
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: where they're at, the best high school football player, baseball player,

646
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: soccer player, college, whoever it might be. And then you

647
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: get humbled real quick because I was fast, but then

648
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: there was like Naval Academy officers who are like triathletes

649
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: that weigh one hundred and forty five pounds. You're like

650
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: that kick can run, you know, like I was always

651
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: top three to five for everything we did. But being

652
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: on the slightly bigger side and taller side, it's just

653
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: your little disadvantage. But I but I definitely felt prepared

654
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: to sip. But also when you get like hunting, you

655
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: get cold, things change. Yeah, when you get wet things

656
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: and cold, things change then and you're completely sandy from

657
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: head to toe in everything and wet all day long,

658
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: things change. My hell week was in the wintertime, so

659
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: it oddly snowed in San Diego. Our shaved heads were

660
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: like slightly crispy from like get icing over and everything.

661
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: And I do remember at one point, because I had

662
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: done this living in Franklin, day like today were it's cold.

663
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: I remember sitting in the water by myself at like

664
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: three in the morning and looking up in the sky,

665
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: dead ass quiet out there, and then that flashback happened.

666
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: When I got to training, I was like, I do

667
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: this by myself, Like, surely I can do with other

668
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: guys that are suffering. So that shared suffering that you

669
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: have with other guys when you're hunting, it's the same thing.

670
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: Like that guy's miserable too, but he's not quitting, so

671
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: why would I quit? So that's kind of where I

672
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: knew what I was prepared for because I had done

673
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: so much to get ready for it. By yourself, by myself.

674
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: Is it hard during that week because there are people

675
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: quitting to see, like does it motivate you to not quit?

676
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Or are you?

677
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: Like, man, that guy's going to.

678
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Be controversial, But I loved it. I would listen for

679
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: that bell to ring. It was the best sound in

680
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: the world, because you're like, that means I'm better than

681
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: another guy, And I would pick somebody that was close

682
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: to me, right like I pick you, And I'm like,

683
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: that guy's so good at everything he's been doing up

684
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: to this point, but when he quits, I'm like, dude,

685
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm better than that guy. And I'll pick you, you know,

686
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: like he's better than me and all this stuff. Okay,

687
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: well if he's still here, why would I leave? I

688
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: know I'm pretty close. But then you quit, I'm like,

689
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: who's the next guy to watch to make sure that

690
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't quit because I know that I'm close to them,

691
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: or they're suffering, whatever it might be. So I love

692
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: the bell, it's the best. But I've never rung a

693
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: bell since I got the Navy, and I won't won't

694
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: do it no ever, No PR Bill, No, I don't

695
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: do PR bells because that's the sound to quit and buds. Yeah, yeah,

696
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: that's what I figured. Yeah, yeah, well night PR and

697
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: anything anymore. Yeah.

698
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: It's like the ultimate gathering of like alpha males and

699
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: then some of them are breaking.

700
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean it really is. Again, you have a lot

701
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: of guys that show up that are the best from

702
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: where they're at, and they have that in their head,

703
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: and then they get humbled quick because of how bad

704
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: it really is what you're doing.

705
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: It's kind of like here, like when you get close

706
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: to the Games and you've got ten, twelve, fifteen Games

707
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: athletes training and they're all the best in the world

708
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: that CrossFit, but they have different things that they're good at,

709
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: and it's great for them to train together because you know,

710
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: different people are winning each workout such.

711
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: A virtual too. Yeah yeah, well maybe training together exactly,

712
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, same concept and everyone's getting better from

713
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: that environment. But you can see some people start to

714
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: break people.

715
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a limit.

716
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: You know, like yeah, oh yeah, for sure, Yeah, you

717
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: can that last probably six weeks leading up to the games.

718
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people, you know, I wouldn't say they

719
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: physically get burnout, but mentally they get burnout. Right after

720
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: the games, you can just tell, or right at the games,

721
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: you can tell. Does anybody here ever not, I would say,

722
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: how do they say? Is not win all of the

723
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: workouts when they're training, when they get to the games,

724
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: they do better than they expected. Yes, yeah, yeah, there's

725
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: definitely game day athletes like Angelo is like one of

726
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: the I would say, like, you're a game day athlete,

727
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: but you're also very fit in training, which he's not

728
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: not fit in training, but but he's substantially the difference

729
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: between practice and playing for him is a huge difference.

730
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: It's crazy, he's an Alan Iverson, But yeah, you have

731
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: some practice. We just have some people that completely they

732
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: get in get under the pressure situation, they either go

733
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: out too hot, they they feed off everybody else. They well,

734
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: there's a difference in feeding off everybody else and else. Yeah,

735
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna yeah, there's like a there's a fine line

736
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: right where I fed off of everybody else's competition. Some

737
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: people feed off of everybody else and they get either

738
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, scared, or they they just make stupid mistakes

739
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: where they go outside you know, what they're either capable

740
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: of or what their strategy was, and it's just you

741
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: just you find a lot about like I'm sure you

742
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: did in high pressure situations, you find out a lot

743
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: about people. And then once you really like you know,

744
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: after you've been in those real life life or death situations,

745
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: you know when not to say, you know, I had

746
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: a couple of firefighting incidents that were life and death situations.

747
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: Those were so far removed from when I competed that,

748
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: but you realize that, oh, it's not really that big

749
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: of a deal. You know, it's a competition, which is

750
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: a huge deal because some people, you know, it's their livelihood,

751
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: but it also isn't life and death like the situations

752
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: you've probably been livelihood makes a big difference. And yes,

753
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: it's not your life or death situation, but it is

754
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: your livelihood. If you're relying on competing as your livelihood,

755
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: that pressure can eat you alive or fuel you, which

756
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: seems like it's fueled you a little bit, but it's

757
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: also eating people alive. And it's the same for us

758
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: where guys have so much immense pressure under themselves because

759
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: you're in the military now you don't have any rights,

760
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, like you're at the mercy of the military.

761
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: So whether it's green berets or seal teams or anything

762
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: or any specialized stuff, it's your livelihood. It's also your life.

763
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: So it's like, well, if you don't make this, you're

764
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: stuck in the military. For the most part. Some guys

765
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: are able to get out, which I don't know how,

766
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: but I don't think they should. I think they should

767
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: suffer the attach if you quit, especially if you get hurt.

768
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: It's different, like they might let you out. Well, don't

769
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: you sign up and have a separate like job that

770
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: you can fall back to. Yeah, mine was mine was Corman. Well,

771
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I told my recruiter this is odd because my recruiter

772
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: found me years ago. And I think I was the

773
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: first person out of Brentwood, Tennessee to actually make it

774
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: and he's like, no one's ever made it here. He

775
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: found me years ago and he's like, you're the only

776
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: person that you know. I think there's more now. Yeah,

777
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: but uh, but a lot of a lot of guys

778
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: was a question saying I got off track on that one.

779
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

780
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: It was livelihood, livelihood. We were talking about livelihood. We

781
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: were talking about high stress situations and guys kind of

782
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: cracking under the pressure, right, And so you had a

783
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: recruiter that found you. You had a recruiter that found

784
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: I got off the track on that one. I don't

785
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: remember where we were going, but either where you were going, yeah,

786
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 1: but the high high stress situations that you're talking about

787
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: livelihood and how the parallel I picked Corman, But at

788
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: the time I told the guy said, I don't have

789
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: another reason to get into the Navy right now. I

790
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: just want to be in the seals. But a lot

791
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: of guys fall back, That's what it was. So a

792
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: lot of guys fall back on, well, I can go

793
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: do this instead, And that's already what screws you over

794
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: because you're like well I'm safe on this part. And

795
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: I told the guys like, I don't want to pick

796
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: anything else. You're like, well, you have to to sign

797
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: up for the name because you can't pick seal. I

798
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: think you can now. I think you're allowed to pick seals,

799
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: like the reason you get in. If you don't make it,

800
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: they send you whatever they want wherever the needs of

801
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: the Navy are or army of whatever you're doing. But

802
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: for me, I was like, I don't I don't want

803
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: to plan B Like this is the only option that

804
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: I want to go in. I had so many guys

805
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: that were elite junior Olympians that quit because it got

806
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: too cold. And it gets cold, it's visible. But a

807
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: lot of guys are like, I'm gonna miss my family. Well,

808
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: no shit, you're sealed, Like you want to be a seal,

809
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: Like you're gone two hundred and eighty three hundred days

810
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah. On average, it's like, well, of course

811
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: you don't miss your family, but now you're gonna be

812
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: on a ship the most part, Like you're not even

813
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: gonna be around them at all. It's like, at least

814
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: we come home every now and then and we see

815
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: our families. But when guys had that plan B, it

816
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: makes it so much easier for them to quit. But

817
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: then their life is just completely shifted. Word for CrossFit

818
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: for competition. I don't know, because I haven't been to

819
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: your level. But you shouldn't have a plant be, like,

820
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: you should go all in on this and don't think of, well,

821
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: if I just don't do as good as this one,

822
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: it's okay. It's like I have a plan B. Like,

823
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: don't have a plan BE for go all in on it.

824
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have a plan B competing, you know. My

825
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: plan B was like, oh, I'll go back to the

826
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: fire department, you know, and get a real job and so.

827
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: But my goal was to win the crossweak And we

828
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: always joke that people have their plan B or their

829
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: their pocket excuse for oh, well I went into this

830
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: competition and had this injury and whatever. You know, everybody

831
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: has an injury, always has their excuse. Everybody has an injury,

832
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: right or.

833
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: Everyone wants balance.

834
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: Everybody wants balance. Yep, you gotta have balance. Another one. Yeah,

835
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: balance isn't if you want to be the best in

836
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: the world at anything, there's no balance, right, you know,

837
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Like you have to be obsessed. You have to be

838
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: all in, you have to be hyper focused on that

839
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: one thing. And that's the only way. There's no like,

840
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna balance my family with you know, my work

841
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: life and competition or my you know, my headspace or

842
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, my you know, there's just just a different world.

843
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: What's the biggest thing that suffered for you when you

844
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: got to your like initiate, I'd say relationships for sure,

845
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, I'm not I wouldn't say that,

846
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm not proud of it. You know, my relationship with

847
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: my wife. You know, there were times where we wouldn't

848
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: go to like we wouldn't do extra family stuff because

849
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: it was before I had kids. And that's why I

850
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: stepped away, was because I knew I couldn't couldn't be

851
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: a dad and a present dad and still compete as

852
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: an individual. You know, like family gatherings, I'd either sneak

853
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: out early and go out and hit the rower or

854
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, whatever machine I was doing in the barn,

855
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: or you know, we wouldn't go on trips, or I

856
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: would take equipment with me on trips or just different things.

857
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, relationships for sure. And then yeah, you're just

858
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: hyper focused on that like every day I woke up,

859
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: it was when the Crossby games, Like, I'm sure for

860
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: you is be the best seal. Yeah, relationships suffer. Yeah,

861
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: I mean I think we have the highest of arge

862
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: rate of any of the military's is because because we're

863
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: gone so much, it seems great on paper, but then

864
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: you're gone so much when you're saying it off if

865
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: you are I again, same thing mentor kids, I'm like,

866
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: if you're a relationship, it's not gonna work. Don't be,

867
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: especially if you're young. Don't be because if you are

868
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: truly committed to what it entails for seal or high

869
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: level anything, it is very difficult. Something's going to suffer

870
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: if you really want to do it, because if you

871
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: have this mindset of like, well I can balance it all,

872
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: you can't. It's not possible, especially in the seal community,

873
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: because you're just not there, not a present dad. And

874
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: that was another reason why I want to step away

875
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: at a certain point, because I had my daughter, let's see,

876
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and then got out in twenty nineteen,

877
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: so there's no way to be present. You're there for

878
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: a couple of days, a couple of weeks. Maybe training

879
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: might be in San Diego training, but usually we're gone

880
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: somewhere else. You're just not there, and so you have

881
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: to have either a somebody at home that can completely

882
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: live her own life and be comfortable with that, truly

883
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: comfortable or not. There's no in between gray area with that.

884
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: It's like if you want to be at a high level,

885
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: especially in a specialized community in the military, because you're

886
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: just not around, it's it's very difficult. Suffers a lot.

887
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: So what are you doing now with Navy Seal Foundation

888
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: official team? Maybe the Seal Foundation. Yeah, so they put

889
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: on a lot of events and it's kind of one

890
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: of those be one of the faces for it. Try

891
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: to look good for them. Yeah yeah, yeah, and uh

892
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: race kiss babies. Yeah, absolutely. So there's a lot of functions, golf,

893
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: golf outings, marathon type stuff. My grandparents ran a country

894
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: club when I was a kid, and so I spent

895
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: a lot of summers golfing. I don't do it as

896
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: much anymore, but the Sea Foundation puts on good golf events,

897
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: and so I used to go to quite a bit

898
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: of them to not embarrass them. I can. I can play,

899
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: just don't do it as much anymore, but I but

900
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: I do enjoy it, just hasn't been as frequent as

901
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: it used to. But again, they're putting on you know,

902
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 1: the running events and swim events all that kind of stuff,

903
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: so it's fun to go do those. It's gonna be

904
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: a phase for it, and he'll braise money. Yeah, do

905
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: you hunt much it's been a while in a while. Yeah,

906
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: I got my my buddy logan. I think he's trying

907
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: to get us to go out a little more often.

908
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: He's he's a big elk hunter. Okay, just did uh,

909
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: let's see three forty six x seven. That's just got that. Yeah.

910
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: I think he took his wife their anniversary the first

911
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: time she's gone on it, and she loved it, so

912
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: got her. I don't know if she's addicted to it yet,

913
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: but I think he enjoyed. So he's trying to get

914
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: He's got some land a little bit south of us

915
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: that he brings us out to some dove hunt and

916
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: something like that. But I think we're all going to

917
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: try to do a big elk hunt. You'd love it, manly, yeah,

918
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: if you like obviously like suffering and being miserable, but

919
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: also but it's fun, it's it's core memories. Yeah, core

920
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: memories with the with the boys for the most part

921
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: of girls if you guys bring them along, but it's

922
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: just core memories of that kind of stuff. It's super enjoyable. Yeah,

923
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: especially too if like we've talked about this before where

924
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: I both of us fall in this category where archery

925
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: is like more fun to us, and like I think

926
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: we nerd out a little bit more on bows than guns.

927
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: But maybe with your background, like rifle hunting might be

928
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: your thing and you're just nerd out on the aspects

929
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the rifle hunting. Man. I just I think I like

930
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: elk hunting so much because even archery is a group.

931
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: You know, you got you work in a team. You work,

932
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're got to interactive too. It's interactive, you're

933
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: gonna have somebody call for you, like guys do it

934
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: calling for themselves. But it's way more, way higher success

935
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: rate when you're working in a team, and it's just

936
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: more fun. Man. I A lot of these guys going

937
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: these pure solo hunts and it's just not It just

938
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: does not sound fun to me. And so you know

939
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about yesterday, I was gonna go out

940
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: and just sit in the tree and the bow hunt,

941
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: archery hunt. It is muzzleoder hunt season here in Tennessee.

942
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: And so the fact that Trice, you know, was out

943
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: of school and didn't really uh, him and Hillary weren't

944
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: getting along great. So I said, hey, I'll take him out,

945
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: and me and Trice just sat out there and ended

946
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: up getting a dough right before dark. And he was

947
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: fired up, you know, and so just having him, yeah,

948
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: he he'll he'll sit with me. He he loves squirrel hunting.

949
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: He's like a little squirrel dog. He's afraid of the

950
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: We have a crossbow. I bought them a crossbow this

951
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: year just so they could go sit archery season. He

952
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: just didn't. Uh, he's afraid of it. Like the way

953
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: it kicks. He'll shoot twenty two. But that man, that

954
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: crossbow is aggressive. Yeah, and I'd never shot one or

955
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: seen one shot and uh, man, that things it's rowdy.

956
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: Have you seen it shoot yet?

957
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: I shot it?

958
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's for Is it for kids? No? It's

959
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: an okay, but you know, as you set it up

960
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: on something. My my youngest, she's seven, she loves shooting it,

961
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: but my older two are afraid of it. So Trice,

962
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I think he would shoot rifle seasons in two weeks

963
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: and so I think I've got ah yeah, and I

964
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: think he'll shoot him and Lakeland my oldest in Violet too.

965
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: So Violet is not afraid of anything. And my daughter's

966
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: got a little twenty two that my my best friend's

967
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: got her for Christmas. And I set up in the

968
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: back of my tahoe or I had a little hide sight,

969
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: like old sniper hide side whose shoes. I was like,

970
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: is what daddy used to kind of get involved because

971
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: she didn't know for a long time. When I what

972
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: I used to do and everything. I was like, all right,

973
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna drop this down, like you're gonna behind cover

974
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And she's I got steel set

975
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: up for hanging it. So he started pinging. She's like,

976
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: I like this. I like this for something else. Some

977
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: squirrels kind of thing she really enjoys. And we try

978
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: to do that because we've got some my dad got

979
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: some land out and closer to where we live that uh,

980
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: there's turkeys out there and there's squirrels that run around,

981
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: so like we go out there and have some fun

982
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: with it.

983
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, probably have some deer there too.

984
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: A lot of deer.

985
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: There's there's like an overpopulation of deer in the whole

986
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: Nashville area.

987
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: Like you need to have a Navy Seal foundation out

988
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: there and an event we've been talking about. We've been

989
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, we've got a group of guys up here,

990
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: probably an hour from here. We went out to their

991
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: farm and they they do some wounded warrior heads hunts,

992
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: and man, it's it would be awesome. He's gonna I

993
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: think we're gonna like Guide one in December at some point.

994
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: My guide You just take them out to the blind

995
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: and sit there and talk. But it's all winded. Were Yeah,

996
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: he forget which one they work with, but one of

997
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the wounded vents groups. That'll be awesome for sure. Yeah,

998
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be cool. So it'd be a lot

999
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: of fun. We'll have to get involved with it. Yeah,

1000
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome. Elk hunt though, I think you'd love

1001
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: especially you know, it's very white tail hunting is an

1002
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: acquired taste of We finally kind of acquired the taste

1003
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: for it. I guess needs to be some high traffic,

1004
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: needs to be more of a meat hunt than anything.

1005
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm not super selective. I'm pretty bad at that

1006
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: out to you guys hunting, Uh, archery, we were. We

1007
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: went on two archery elk hunts, so six seven days

1008
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: each and then we went on a five day rifle

1009
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: hunt back in October. In October, so we we hunted

1010
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: quite a bit. You guys, I think you asked me earlier,

1011
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: do you shift your training for Yes? And no? Yeah, yeah,

1012
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: So I mean i'll uh once again, I stayed pretty

1013
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: pretty well rounded throughout the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll

1014
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: do you know, I'll peak for a CrossFit event. I

1015
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: did three events this fall, all summer, one in July,

1016
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: one in August, one in October, and so about six

1017
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: eight weeks out, I'd just kind of specialize on what

1018
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: the movements we were going to be doing there or

1019
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: just CrossFit pure stuff, and then i'd add StairMaster at

1020
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: a lot of sled pushes. But I mean, some of

1021
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: the best years I had in the mountains and still

1022
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: are the years that I competed at the CrossFit games.

1023
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's a high level of crossover. You just

1024
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: got to get a little bit more time on your feet,

1025
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: get your traps used to carrying a rock. So I'll

1026
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: do lower back, lower back gets lit up calves now,

1027
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: but we got the stair Master's. StairMaster is great, but

1028
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: I've heard good things about Jacob's ladder just hours on that.

1029
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, how uh what kind of equipment did you guys

1030
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: have at your disposal when you're on deployment?

1031
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: Oh, it depends on where we are. Yeah, if if

1032
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: we were at a like a bigger fob that somebody

1033
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: else owned, like the army or something like that, or

1034
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: at least we're flying out of there, they would have

1035
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: a full set up road obviously, you know, Yeah, take

1036
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: care of it. Places that we were stuck in might

1037
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: be fifteen to twenty of us in a location or

1038
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: piecing together. There some uneven you know, platforms and and

1039
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: some bars that don't spin at all. The neuralinks can

1040
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: pally gone. You're you're working out next to a conn

1041
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: X box kind of thing, so just out on gravel.

1042
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes we'll make make shift stuff that we're making, but

1043
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: for the most part, you can you can get it in.

1044
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: So guys are usually too tired. Yeah, which is tough,

1045
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: but you're at least doing a little bit doing any

1046
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 1: kind of high level CrossFit's tough.

1047
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 2: Were you trying to train a lot to like pass

1048
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: the time or stay ready or anything, or is it mostly.

1049
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: When I was in Yeah, so be perfectly honest, we don't.

1050
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: We don't have a test when we're in. They tried

1051
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: to put a program in at one point, like a

1052
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: SEAL standardized test, but it didn't really it didn't really

1053
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: work because for the most part, unless you're sitting in

1054
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: the office in your high level admiral or something like that,

1055
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: like you're constantly working out, especially when you're home, especially

1056
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: when you're getting ready for deployment. On deployment, a lot

1057
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: of mobility stuff, if you can. Everybody's tight everbody's got

1058
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: torn shoulders, everybody's got torn labor rooms, ankle are busted,

1059
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: something like that. Knees are are wrecked, hips are wrecked.

1060
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: So you're trying to just get through some movement, do

1061
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of crossway type stuff. But there's not

1062
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: like any kind of real competition stuff between guys most

1063
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 1: of the time. So it's it's tough for that.

1064
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 2: But it's trying to stay healthy.

1065
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: It's best you can, Yeah, it's best you can healthy. Yeah,

1066
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: probably a bunch of mobility, yeah, yeah, you're just on

1067
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: your feet all the time, you know, and how much

1068
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: weight do you carry around like normal day, Oh, I

1069
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: mean super dependent on what you're caring, whether you're carrying

1070
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: a scar, if you're carrying your rifle, what you carry

1071
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: first deployment forty eight, so you got the most weight.

1072
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: It's usually the bigger guys. And by that time I

1073
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: was I was around at the time six two three. Yeah,

1074
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: you're carrying most of the most of the weight. Guys

1075
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: will carry some boxes amo for you, but you have

1076
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: the load. And so basically like the patrol is dictated

1077
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: on you or who the slowest person is is typically

1078
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: the the a up guys, the pig gunners. And so

1079
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: you're just sitting back there with you know and carrying

1080
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: weight and hugging or rocking it along, and uh, guys

1081
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: up front are just cruising, you know, pointing and just

1082
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: coasting along. It's like gonna sloot out of buddy, you know,

1083
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: deal with that. The big guy just gets screwed. I mean,

1084
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: the little guys are gonna be even slower, you know.

1085
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: It's we have our advantage. I've always noticed it, which

1086
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: is odd. I always feel like the Green Beret guys,

1087
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: the SF guys are always like more of the same

1088
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: size for some reason seals. We have one of my

1089
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: officers who's one of the the best seals I know,

1090
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: was like one hundred and forty five pounds cross country runner.

1091
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: You're just not going to carry weight. Yeah, it's like,

1092
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm almost a foot taller than this guy. You're

1093
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: carrying the weight, buddy, you know, like, especially a new

1094
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: guy's like there's really no options a new guy, You're

1095
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: carrying the weight unless you're a corman, then you can

1096
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: do all the medical stuff. But the bigger guys always

1097
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: gonna get more weight, and it's like just deal with it.

1098
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: So then you're usually the one, especially in training they

1099
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: put down first, like all carry the big guy now,

1100
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: so right. We had one kid, we called him hod Or.

1101
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: He was six foot nine, two hundred and sixty five

1102
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: two hundred seventyounds. I put him through training. I was like,

1103
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: you're a disservice to us, you know, like you're too big, bro,

1104
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Like you gotta get out here. But you made it.

1105
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it, but no, he was. He was

1106
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: a great, great asset of the teams. But he's just

1107
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: such a big dude. Yeah, it's tough.

1108
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 2: So I love the game of Thrones inspired.

1109
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: This is funny. So I was a buzz instructor for

1110
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: two years. I loved it. I loved everything about it.

1111
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a I don't scream, I don't yell, but

1112
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I definitely like hit people's heads. I'm very subtle, mostly monotone,

1113
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: and and and and kind of get in your head.

1114
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: And I was a dive instructors. The second phase your

1115
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: past Hell Week, all that kind of stuff, all the

1116
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: mess around games, but you're in the water all the time,

1117
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: which is a whole nother mind game. I would rather

1118
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: do Hell Week over again than pool comp I don't

1119
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: know if you pol I know enough like I went.

1120
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: It's where we try to We don't try to drown you,

1121
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: but we get you very close, we get you very

1122
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in the water.

1123
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: What's the like, how does that go? What's the process

1124
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: for that for for the.

1125
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: Water suffer buds in general? The pool Once you pass

1126
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: first phase of like six or seven weeks, Hell Week

1127
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: the main So for reference, I had two hundred and

1128
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: twenty guys to start. We finished. We graduated with thirty

1129
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: six of that. Five of us. It was our first

1130
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: time doing it. Everybody else had been to buds before

1131
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: rolled quit, gone to the fleet, come back, and so

1132
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: there's only five of us that have made it through

1133
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: the first time. Once you pass that, you go to

1134
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: the dive phase where you learn water competency, so like

1135
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: they put you on scuba tanks twent eighties. You get

1136
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, learn how to breathe underwater, die for stuff,

1137
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. Then you go to our

1138
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: dragger system, which is a rebreather and so there's no bubbles.

1139
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: That's how we sneak up on ships and all that

1140
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and you learn instructors are just tying

1141
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: your hoses up, trying to strangle you underneath the water,

1142
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: getting you hypoxic to where you're just not thinking straight.

1143
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: And so underwater it's way different because on land you're fine,

1144
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: but once you can't breathe, your life flashes before your eyes.

1145
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: Just like what do I do? Either freak out or

1146
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: I have to figure out a way very quickly, like

1147
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: in a competition, like I am at my red line

1148
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: right now, what do I do? But you pass a

1149
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: series of tests in the pool where you follow certain

1150
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: just structure like order right, check your straps, check your jvalve,

1151
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: turn on your air in a certain sequence, and if

1152
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: you don't do it, and it's like, okay, well, I'm

1153
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: gonna test you again. You got to do exactly what

1154
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. If you don't do it again, okay,

1155
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: well it's another HiT's like while panicking while not breathing.

1156
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: And so I used to watch the kids. As soon

1157
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: as they would breathe out I can see it, especially

1158
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: in the twin eighties, and as soon as they would

1159
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: breathe all their air out ready to breathe in, I

1160
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: would close off everything and tie them up, flip them around,

1161
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: take off all their straps and everything, because that's when

1162
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: you see the panic set in. It's like, how long

1163
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: can you operate underwater with no air, which is not

1164
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: pretty long without freaking out because if you bolt to

1165
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: the surface after breathing that you get an age, which

1166
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: is arterial gas embolism. You're gonna be sitting in a

1167
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: chamber ride for six hours and decompress you to bring

1168
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: you back down because you get basically an airboble on

1169
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: in your brain kill you. So that's the real dark

1170
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: side of like the pool stuff. But it's to simulate

1171
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: being in the ocean and diving in there, which is

1172
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: a whole different beat. It's the worst thing. It's dark, scary.

1173
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: And then the sea state when that starts fluctuating you

1174
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: and bringing up and down, that can also do it

1175
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: if you're not breathing properly. It's like you have to

1176
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: learn to control that. But I but I love the

1177
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: buds side of it's like train the kids to like

1178
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: learn to be really uncomfortable and see how they operate,

1179
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: because then you're like, Okay, this kid can handle some stress.

1180
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: Because first phase is working out. It's a it's the

1181
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: best boy scout camp in the world. Like you learn

1182
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: some cool stuff with somebodies that want to suffer. But

1183
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: it's just a workout all day long. You get to eat,

1184
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: you eat as much as you possibly can, and then

1185
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: you're back to working out. There's no in between time.

1186
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: But then it's like once you pass that and you

1187
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: get a second phase, how well can you stay uncomfortable

1188
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: and control it. That's where then we start to learn,

1189
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: like who's who's ready for this so well?

1190
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: I feel like some people when they're in that situation,

1191
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: they panic. It's just like hunting when you're about to

1192
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: kill something. The situation arises. Some people, they panic some people.

1193
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: When that moment comes, everything slows down and there's like

1194
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: a moment of clarity almost sports, yeah, sports, hunting, those

1195
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: situations and the people where everything slows down, they're the

1196
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: ones that are going to excel in any of the situation.

1197
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, thrive in it. Yeah, I think for it might

1198
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: be for hunting as well, but for us, it's like

1199
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: the guys that really control that are very good operators.

1200
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: It's like that's kind of their calm. The chaos is

1201
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: call me. So, whether it's hunting or competition, it's like

1202
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: there's it is chaotic right now. I know I'm in

1203
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: a bad place, but how well can I control this?

1204
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's how he knows who's going to control

1205
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: what you can control absolutely as you can't. And I

1206
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: think on a different level, but having gone through fire

1207
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: school and then done some training, different training, whatever you

1208
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: want to call programs or stuff, we do confined spaces

1209
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: training and breathing air and all that, and he's a

1210
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: smoke trailer and guys messing with your stuff or you've

1211
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: got all these entanglements or whatever, and you know it's it.

1212
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: You really find out who who can kind of chill out,

1213
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: like you're saying, and slow stuff down, or who just

1214
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: goes straight to panic? You know, because we used to

1215
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: have well we had the SCBA, and it like when

1216
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: you're down to about I forget what percentage, it start dinging, right,

1217
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: so it's letting you know, hey, you only have a

1218
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: certain amount of alarm be alarm bell and it's just

1219
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: ding and that starts creeping in your head. And you're

1220
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: going through this maze trailer and then there's one point

1221
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: you got to get through like a I want to say,

1222
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: like a sixteen inch tube, So you got to take

1223
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: your seba off and it goes in front of you

1224
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: and then you've got to like slowly go through this pipe.

1225
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: And I remember a guy he ran out of air

1226
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: in the pipe and it was like full panic. You know,

1227
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: what do you do in that situation? Because this is training, right,

1228
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: this is training, and we're outside and we could kind

1229
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: of hear it and then you hear him go I'm stuck.

1230
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm stuck. And so luckily on that part of the

1231
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: confined spaces training, there's like a little latch that you

1232
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: could pull that tube out. So we like pulled the

1233
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: tube out and pulled him out of the tube. You know.

1234
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: Luckily it was completely controlled situation, but it was a yeah.

1235
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: But we had a guy just in fire school, and

1236
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, it was a maze trailer but you know

1237
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: it's it was wide, you know, it like it wasn't

1238
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: that confined space, and he just would not go through it.

1239
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: And they were like, we're gonna fail him if he

1240
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: can't go through it. And he was one of our

1241
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: guys from our city, and so me and another buddy

1242
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: one he was ex military Air Force, and uh, it

1243
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: makes sense he would get no. No, my other buddy

1244
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: that getting other buddy that helped he would get He

1245
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: was in front and I was behind, and anytime this

1246
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: guy would get hung up, he'd pull him and I'd

1247
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: just like just push him with my head and we

1248
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: got him through it. But he was that close to

1249
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: quitting fire school, which nowhere near the same, you know,

1250
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: but just could not go through. Some guys just get

1251
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: hung up on just one certain thing. And I'm sure

1252
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: you saw it where it's just like you just you

1253
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: can't have that in those situations though, because then you

1254
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: become a liability, not only to the people you're trying

1255
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: to like help or save or protect, but also your

1256
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: your team. It's it's one hundred percent you being able

1257
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: to make it through, which seemingly is a simple task. Yeah,

1258
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: if they can't handle that, what else can they not handle? Yeah,

1259
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: and it's it's very scary for that. I remember one

1260
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: Air Force guy, he was a PJ so Special Operations

1261
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: Air Force, but he tried to come through a seal

1262
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: program smartest can be, super smart guy, perfectly fluent in Spanish,

1263
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: just to slightly overweight, you know, regular white guy, and yeah,

1264
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: lights out on everything. But we get to the CQC house.

1265
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: This guy could not figure out how to operate in

1266
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: the house quickly, live fire at the tempo that we

1267
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: needed him to, and he got dropped from the program

1268
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: as a as a PJ. Like he's one of the

1269
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: smartest dudes in the military as a PJ Medical Side,

1270
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: Special Operations Air Force, but could not keep pace on

1271
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: a very simple set of tasks for like it's just

1272
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: a floing rooms. Especially when he got to like four man,

1273
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: six man, eight man teams are like, dude, what do

1274
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: you do? Like what's going on? Rolled him back because

1275
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: they wanted to get him in, couldn't handle it, got

1276
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: at like, dude, do you.

1277
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 2: Think people that can't handle those situations are Is that

1278
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: something you're just born with or not? Or do you

1279
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 2: think it's like a learned thing, like whether it's panicking

1280
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 2: in competition or panicking in those moments? Can you can

1281
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: you get better at that?

1282
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: I think maybe exposure to it, Yeah, I think it.

1283
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're I don't know if you're

1284
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: born with that, because I know plenty of guys that

1285
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: are in the teams that are just definitely not born

1286
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: with anything. Yeah, but I mean dumb as rocks. However,

1287
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: they learn it. And I almost think if you're a

1288
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: clean slate and have no prior experience on things, you

1289
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: can be taught how to do well. There's plenty kids

1290
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: that come out of high school, especially back in the

1291
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: day for the seal teams, that don't have any life experience,

1292
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: but they're taught how to shoot, how to move, how

1293
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: to communicate, all that kind of stuff, so they learn it.

1294
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: But I think if you have any kind of like

1295
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: preconceived notions of how to do things, you're already kind

1296
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: of messed up on what you're gonna do. Yeah, those

1297
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: people don't have to relearn Yeah, there's there's that, and

1298
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: I think guys that know too much that can't learn,

1299
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: especially the PJ guy. It's like he had his set

1300
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: of operations for what he was doing with the Air Force,

1301
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: but like he couldn't get past a certain way of

1302
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: doing it with us, which is a lot faster and

1303
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: a lot more difficult. I think he had a difficult

1304
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: time too, So like you can I don't know if

1305
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: you can be born with it, but I definitely think

1306
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: you can be taught it. Because when you screen for

1307
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: Damn Neck or Green Team, they're like, hey, we're gonna

1308
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: crawl walk round like we do with everything else the

1309
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: sealed teams, there's gonna be a lot faster. But if

1310
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: you think that you already know how to do it,

1311
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: they're saying, just do this. If you do anything outside

1312
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,479
Speaker 1: of what we're telling you to do, you're not gonna

1313
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: make it. Just do what we tell you to do.

1314
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: Don't think of anything else, Which is why I'm like,

1315
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: if you're a clean slate, you're good to go. Yeah,

1316
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: you can just be taught. So your guy that can't

1317
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: get through it's like settlem now, dude, Yeah, just do

1318
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: this procedure. It's all you gonna do, relax, I think

1319
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: about anything else. If you can relax, you're gonna be

1320
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: all right. But most guys cannot get out of their

1321
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: own head.

1322
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: Do you think that's the hardest part of getting in?

1323
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: Is that? Right?

1324
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: There is there something else that holds a lot.

1325
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: I think most of it's mental because most guys come

1326
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: in physically ready. Some guys might be under But for

1327
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: the most part, if you can't get out of your

1328
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: own head, you're screwed. That's that's really what it comes

1329
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: down to. Like again, we talked about this, you're you're

1330
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: all suffering. Just keep going. For the most part, for

1331
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: the most part, you're not gonna die. We've had some

1332
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: casualties in training, but you're not gonna like we're there

1333
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: to make you survive or just gonna get you really close.

1334
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna know like this is not great. The guys

1335
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: can't get out of their own head, and they start

1336
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: thinking about other things like what if it's like, well,

1337
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: you're screwed, you're done because we know that, we can

1338
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: see it in your eyes.

1339
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that probably translates over to actual deployment too.

1340
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: It's probably more mental than physical deployment. Itself, deployment itself.

1341
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: You're a robot. You just you've trained so much that

1342
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: it's it's almost calculated, Like I'm not gonna compare it

1343
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: to AI, but like you just know what you kind

1344
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: of know what to do. Now there's situations that you've

1345
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: never planned for, but you've done so much training that

1346
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: it just kind of kicks in. You kind of get

1347
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: into that zone of like, one, we don't we know

1348
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: how to pivot from whatever we're doing. A workout goes wrong,

1349
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: how do I pivot? How do I make this more

1350
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: advantageous for me than just suffering my own head? Yeah,

1351
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: like making it worse than it actually is. So yeah,

1352
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: it's it's thank you. You gotta get him on an

1353
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: elk hunt. Yeah.

1354
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: I would seeing our buddy Matt when he sees it

1355
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: out and like the panic that sets in. It'd be

1356
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: so funny to like put that up against like you

1357
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 2: in that situation or anyone that's you know, done some

1358
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 2: real stuff and then it's like probably like a like

1359
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 2: a robot, right, like you're talking about being prepared. It'd

1360
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: be it'd be so interesting to see.

1361
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys use Harry monitors. I've got whoop,

1362
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: but I don't really. One of the coolest things ever

1363
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: we do, and I'm sure they still do, is that

1364
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: we go into when they take us int the CQC house,

1365
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: especially depend on where your training. We have a facility

1366
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: outside of close to Memphis. I was gonna say Memphis

1367
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: Bridges used to come up and hang out when he

1368
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: would go there. That place. They would put Harry monitor

1369
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: heart rate monitors on us and they would watch your

1370
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: heart rate as soon as you enter the building, and

1371
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: for the most part, a lot of guys their heart

1372
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: rate would go down because outside of it there's no chaos.

1373
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: Inside of it, there's chaos, but they teach us, for

1374
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: the most part, to lower your heart rate. You're not

1375
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: like consciously thinking like I need a little heart rate,

1376
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: but that's where your calm is. It's like, I'm going

1377
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: in and I love this stuff. I love seq s

1378
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: like it's the best. It's so much fun. If you

1379
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: love shooting, you love clearing rooms, you love shooting at people,

1380
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, that's the best because you get

1381
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: in there like I love this, Okay, now now I'm

1382
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: in a good place. It's like you just go through

1383
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: your flow. Whatever you're doing. It's like they would watch

1384
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: your heart rate get lower because you're in the chaos,

1385
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of like being able to control it.

1386
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: That's insane. It'd be awesome, it's cool, but I'm curious,

1387
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: your buddy. Put them on a heart rate monitor and

1388
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: see what happens when.

1389
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 2: You it's probably two five yeah, man.

1390
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: Which is funny because he was a firefighter for a

1391
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: while too. Good friend of mine. But we get him

1392
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: in any type of stressful situation.

1393
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean last year, we were out hunting and it

1394
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: was me, Rich, one other guy, and this guy, Matt,

1395
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: and we saw this bowl, what a thousand yards off

1396
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 2: maybe it's.

1397
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: Probably a mile, yeah, and then we closed about twelve.

1398
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: We were together because we hike a little quicker, and

1399
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: we closed the distance down to like four five hundred yards,

1400
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: but we had to go up on this finger. And

1401
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: by the time he gets there, he is so worked

1402
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 2: up and out of breath and panicking that the bull's

1403
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: right there. He's like riches, Riches, like.

1404
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: Set, I set up the tripod, I got his range,

1405
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: I told him his ma, and he's trying to talk

1406
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: to him. He's like, I can't hear, I can't hear you.

1407
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: My heart's beating in my ears, like he just could

1408
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: not what's my range? What's my range? I wish we

1409
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: could put the full video out because the time a

1410
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: time at least of the full thing. Yeah, because it

1411
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: was just chaos. It was awesome. But yeah, I mean

1412
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: Hunts has been on a bunch. He grew up out

1413
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: here whitetail hunting. He's just never he signed an ELK

1414
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: three or four times, only been in those situations.

1415
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: I guess, Well, that's why I was interested to Well,

1416
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: that's why I asked about, like if you can train that,

1417
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people that listen to this

1418
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: podcast where they have target panic, so maybe they're bow

1419
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 2: hunting and what comes out and or target panic or

1420
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: just the jitters where they start shaking so much like Jason,

1421
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: the arrow is literally about to come out of the

1422
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: rest because they're shaking so much.

1423
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: At that bucks, I get the shakes before, but as

1424
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: soon as I draw, I'm fine. Right. Yeah, Like for you,

1425
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: I think you've been in so many situations with high

1426
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: level athletics or firefighting or whatever, like well like the

1427
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: rich Chada Bowl and Idaho last year, and like didn't

1428
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: even the last like minute or two minutes before you

1429
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't even remember what happened. I don't remember, like I

1430
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: black out a little bit of Like, so you go

1431
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: just fall back. You default to what you know exactly

1432
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: what you're saying you're training. You just default to those

1433
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: For me and archery, you know, I find my anchor points. Yeah,

1434
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: I find where I'm gonna shoot, and I shoot and

1435
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: then I forget about it.

1436
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't even know what the range was.

1437
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 2: But then we I have video of it and he

1438
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: ranges the spot. You see him like move his sight

1439
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: around whatever. So he's doing all the things, but after

1440
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: the fact has no clue. But you're in a flow.

1441
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you default the training. So it's like, how hard

1442
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: is your training? Are you training the right way for it?

1443
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: And are you training past what you think is going

1444
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: to happen on deployment, on operation, on a hunt. It's like,

1445
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: are you training past are you training past that? For

1446
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: crossway games? Yeah? Are you training harder than what you

1447
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: expect to happen in the games, Because if you are,

1448
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: your default will be better than most people, which is

1449
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: what you want. Do you train any like tactical game

1450
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: type stuff? I don't do a ton of tactical games.

1451
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: We'll we make up our own stuff here. We do

1452
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: a lot of like high heart rate shooting archery, which

1453
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: is where I think you can heavy weight stuff buddy,

1454
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: for sure, like you can learn. We could give him

1455
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: a moving target, you get him to work out or

1456
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: just throw like a clay across the ground or something

1457
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: like that. He not, but I mean he's a good shot,

1458
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: like some like one of the best shots I've ever seen.

1459
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't work out a ton, which is a huge

1460
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: or at all, and so that's a huge detriment to it.

1461
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just that hard, right, he

1462
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: gets that right up. He can't bring it down. He doesn't.

1463
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 1: He's outside of what you know. He shoots a ton,

1464
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: but it's calm, well you know, kind of no rangy. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

1465
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: And so he just grew up around it. But you

1466
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: see stress courses. Stress do a ton of tress courses. Yep.

1467
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: That's that's really what it is. Like I just can't

1468
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: get him to stress, but we I mean, you get

1469
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: him out here working the buffalo, he'll stress and front

1470
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: We race cars every once in a while, and he's

1471
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: full panic in there too, where you're just like, dude,

1472
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: calm down. But it's good. You race cars. Yeah, that's

1473
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: a long story. You heard of twenty four hours of Lemons.

1474
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: So basically, take a crappy car and you go race

1475
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: it at a racetrack for eight hours on a Saturday

1476
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. It's it's like beaters, like old ish you

1477
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: can you're supposed to like isn't anymore. It's an LS

1478
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Speaker 1: swapped early two thousands BMW. It's it's bad but uh yeah,

1479
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Speaker 1: so the idea is that like their crowd. I'll show

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Speaker 1: you a video, but yeah, it's awesome. It's good high

1481
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: stress right here, for sure. They do. They do them

1482
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Speaker 1: all over but we'll go we go to road Atlanta

1483
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Speaker 1: in December, Okay, so that'll be fun. Yeah, I'll show you.

1484
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Speaker 1: But it's something you're good. Good activity with the boys. Dude,

1485
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Speaker 1: are you crashing at each other? You're racing, you're like,

1486
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Speaker 1: you know, couple mid low low hundreds in some of

1487
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Speaker 1: the straightaways it's road course stuff. You're not allowed to

1488
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 1: make contact. They do a good job of like keeping

1489
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Speaker 1: it uh safe ish as safe as you can be

1490
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Speaker 1: going that fast and doing that. Man, it's a ton

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Speaker 1: of fun. So well, dude. Appreciate you coming out. Man,

1492
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: you want to do some stuff more often comes on

1493
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: a little bit absolutely up sent not far down the road.

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Speaker 1: We'll do some stress courses. Here you go, heck, get

1495
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Speaker 1: from the awesome. Appreciate it, man, Thank you