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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Baths and I heart

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Speaker 1: reading a podcast. Hello and welcome to Frosted Tips. I

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Speaker 1: am Kristin Krook. I'm your guest host for today. I

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Speaker 1: have never hosted a podcast before, so this will be

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Speaker 1: interesting and please bear with me on this adventure. So,

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Speaker 1: I have a new series coming out on Fox on

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Speaker 1: September twenty fourth called Murder in a Small Town. It's

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Speaker 1: you Know about. It's a murder mystery that follows a

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Speaker 1: detective as he moves from an urban police work environment

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Speaker 1: to solving crimes and a picturesque Pacific northwestern town. And

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Speaker 1: this town seems to attract an inordinate amount of murders

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Speaker 1: and at the center is a love story. And the

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Speaker 1: lead of this television series is the actor Rossif Sutherland,

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Speaker 1: who I am interviewing today and you may not know him,

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Speaker 1: but now you will get to know him. So, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: How's your day going?

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Speaker 2: It's going just fine?

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Speaker 1: Great. Do you wanna do you want to tell people

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Speaker 1: about how you got into acting?

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Speaker 2: How I got into acting. I come from a family

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Speaker 2: of actors. My dad, his dad.

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Speaker 1: Is Donald Sutherland. Just so they know, we might as

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Speaker 1: well just get it out of the way.

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Speaker 2: My father, who recently passed away as Donald Sutherland. My mom,

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Speaker 2: Francine Roussette, was a French Canadian actress who made a

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Speaker 2: career in France. My brother, Keifer is an actor. All

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Speaker 2: my other brothers, my sister, they're all in the industry.

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Speaker 2: I had no ambition to be an actor as a

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Speaker 2: young man. I became an actor because I was studying

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Speaker 2: philosophy at Princeton. My ambition was to be a writer.

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Speaker 2: And a friend of mine that approached me to direct

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Speaker 2: this short film which was going to be her senior thesis,

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Speaker 2: And on the first day of shooting and I was directing.

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Speaker 2: I had no experience directing whatsoever. I'm guessing it was

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Speaker 2: did not. I'd been on sets as a child, but

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Speaker 2: that was the extent of it. And on my first

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Speaker 2: day of shooting, my lead actor was nowhere to be found.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he thought very highly of the project.

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Speaker 2: Probably didn't think very highly of this Sutherland kid who

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Speaker 2: was going to direct him. Yeah, what the hell. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: luckily i'd cast somebody who who was my height. So

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Speaker 2: after three hours of waiting, I put on his clothes

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Speaker 2: I didn't have the courage to watch it with him,

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Speaker 2: with things he could tell his son as to, you know,

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Speaker 2: had tears rolling down his cheeks, and he said, kid,

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Speaker 2: be a director. He said, well, well, who knows, but

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Speaker 1: So would you say that acting itself is something that

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Speaker 2: No, No, I've been doing it for I guess over

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Speaker 2: left the whole you know, dance of it all. But

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Speaker 1: And really is that a circus of misfits?

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Speaker 2: And so acting became an opportunity to be part of

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Speaker 2: love the exploration of character. I studied with this gorgeous

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Speaker 2: Harold Guskin. He wrote a book called How to Stop Acting.

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Speaker 2: And he was the one when I asked the question,

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Speaker 2: and said that acting, in fact was not pretending to

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Speaker 2: the people that you could have been. And for this

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Speaker 2: But he taught me never that the job was never

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Speaker 2: bring that to life, just in a different form, through

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Speaker 2: a different voice. And so that exploration was fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: And I guess just like just like being with a

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Speaker 1: It's like, where is this going to come? Of all

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Speaker 1: of the roles you've played in your life, what do

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Speaker 2: Well, I've truly enjoyed working with you, Kristen Krook. I've

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Speaker 2: I guess the lead of a show.

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Speaker 1: Not I guess you are the lead of a show, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm the leader of the show. Actually, I kept seeing

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Speaker 1: Next time, number one, you are number one.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, every day it was a panic. Number one.

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Speaker 2: Really that's you. If only they could change it from

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Speaker 2: one day to the next. But but but yeah, I've listen.

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a while. I've seen I've

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Speaker 2: of storytellers who will get to come with their own

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're wonderful done Little films too, And I've I've really

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Speaker 2: enjoyed working with young creators who are who are just

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Speaker 2: filled with passion, more passion than experience, but just have

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Speaker 1: A vision, but not everybody has a vision. No, No,

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Speaker 1: But yes, it's wonderful to work on things with that

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Speaker 2: I had no idea, and I.

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Speaker 1: Wonder how it has been for you, kind of launching

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Speaker 1: this show and also grieving your father's passing and having

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Speaker 2: My father passed away in late June, and the family

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Speaker 2: quite empowering to feel like, you know, okay, well, these

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Speaker 2: because of him, and he's been very involved, and we

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Speaker 2: seemed to be a surprise to him that this was

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Speaker 2: the film was going to be made with my father.

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Speaker 2: They were trying to do it thirty years ago. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I haven't really processed it yet. This is, in many

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Speaker 3: That's what I answer that, you know, well, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah. Working with you was my preparation. They

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Speaker 1: No, I think we're talking about process though, we're talking

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Speaker 1: While we were talking about jazz and music, right, the

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Speaker 1: Rossif doesn't know because because he doesn't know anything, No,

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Speaker 2: It's it's when the edge the tips of your hair

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Speaker 1: Great, Yes, I think they've just become little yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: Great, you've been through a bit, yes, yeah, you've had

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Speaker 2: What I like to listen to.

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Speaker 1: Now, well, you know, let's let's take you back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, taking me back.

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Speaker 1: Let's take you back to the nineties, the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Well, the nineties. I was a little Canadian boy in France, yeap,

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Speaker 2: To study like three four hours every night. The French

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Speaker 1: Yes, the French have a very much to steal.

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Speaker 1: It was a segue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, you're not bad at this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I am bad at it.

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Speaker 2: It's been a while I did music. This happened too

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Speaker 2: Said, why don't you sing? He picked up a guitar

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Speaker 1: So I was an improviser, right, So you didn't write

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 2: So I would deal with all these uh, these musicians

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Speaker 2: that's great, it's really great. Okay, and now we got

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Speaker 2: write anything down, I said, But and so anyway, so

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Speaker 2: that was that then it didn't go anywhere, but until

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Speaker 2: I became an actor, And that was the big lesson

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Speaker 2: for me before I understood that that's what I'd be

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Speaker 2: doing with my life, was that the words of a

442
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Speaker 2: writer can be written in stone, and your job is

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Speaker 2: to breathe life into it and to them. And so

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Speaker 2: that's when I started writing. And I've written a bunch

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Speaker 2: of songs that was a very therapeutic for me, maybe

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Speaker 2: too therapeutic, and so I didn't.

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Speaker 1: The professional songs of emotional songs.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, but yeah, it's something that I'm

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Speaker 2: going to do again. Okay, Yes, my mother's instructions.

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Speaker 1: Your mother's instruction.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to listen to my mother.

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Speaker 1: Now, have you not listened to your mother?

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Speaker 2: No, I've listened to my mother, But I'm going to

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Speaker 2: listen to her.

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Speaker 1: Fully, fully listen to her.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, because she's been writing about pretty much everything,

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Speaker 2: for example, oh gosh, where to begin? Yeah? Yes, no,

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Speaker 2: but I will yes, no, that's that's been I've been

459
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Speaker 2: saying that a lot lately.

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Speaker 1: I actually yes, yes, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, no, yeah, but I'm going to sing,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to write, I'm going to do a lot

463
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Speaker 2: of things great, and hopefully I get to keep acting

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if everyone watches our television show again, if you

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Speaker 1: let us, then we'll be allowed to do it again, and.

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Speaker 2: Then it'll be better the second time.

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Speaker 1: It'll be much better. It's always better the second season.

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course we learn bear with us.

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Speaker 1: Please, Yeah, it won't have to it's not it's not

471
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be fun for them. No, it's a lovely, lovely,

473
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Speaker 2: lovely show. Yes, it's a it's a murderous hugs.

474
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. Yeah, yeah, a murderous huge yes.

475
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that people can pack of suspense. I don't know.

476
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Speaker 2: I'll stop now.

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Speaker 1: Your son THEO was on set with us, Yes he was, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a bit about his experience and

479
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Speaker 1: what it was like for you to have him on

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Speaker 1: set with you.

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Speaker 2: I grew up going to sets here and there. My

482
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: mother spared us from being, you know, set kids. But

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00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: it was quite a mystery to THEO what his mom

484
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Speaker 2: and dad did for a living. He knew that we

485
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Speaker 2: were actors, he knew that his granddad was was a

486
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: famous actor, and but but yeah, he was really taken

487
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: by all the crew members who really invited him to

488
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: try different things. He worked behind the camera and hung

489
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: out with the sound guys and watched his work.

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Speaker 1: He graded us, He graded us on our work.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. His idea

492
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: was that, I said, I was number one on the call.

493
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: She But his idea is to add to the call

494
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Speaker 2: sheet a grade for your work from the previous day,

495
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: and that if you had a failing grade for two

496
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: consecutive days, you were no longer invited to come work.

497
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: Some very strict it was a scorecard. Yeah, yeah, anyway,

498
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: there's something to be said about that. Yes, but but yeah,

499
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Speaker 2: I don't know if my son will well be an actor.

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Speaker 2: He jokes that he wants to be an agent like

501
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: his uncle, because he likes to make deals, make deals.

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Speaker 2: He had a lemonade stand this summer. Yeah, and he

503
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Speaker 2: he made the money from the squeeze lemons that he

504
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: paid for with recycled soda cans. So, I mean, I

505
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: think he's got a few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I mean, at eight, he's got some good ideas. Yeah,

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00:30:53,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: he's moving along. Indeed, Well, what else shall we talk about?

508
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: Why don't we talk about you?

509
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: Why? Well, why not there's nothing to talk about me about.

510
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: Why do you do this show, this show.

511
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: The one frosted tips.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm doing this show. You mean

514
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: the show?

515
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Yes, our show, our show.

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00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did it in large part because

517
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: it was shooting near my home, and because I knew

518
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: Tina and Kim, who were producers on the show, and

519
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: I worked with Ian Weir when I was seventeen years old.

520
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: He wrote the first show I ever was a part of.

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00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: So it was a choice I made in part because

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00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: it was full circle, and in part because it was convenient,

523
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: and I happened to really like the character and I

524
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: thought I could do something different with her than I

525
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: had done with other characters. Really happy that I did

526
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Speaker 1: the show.

527
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: What's she like your character? Because I do. I love

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00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: an Ador as a participant and as a as a

529
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: future viewer.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, she's a passionate community member. She's

531
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Speaker 1: a librarian, she has visions for her town. She is

532
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward. She doesn't adhere to convention. She has lived

533
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: her life the way that she wants to live her life,

534
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: very much, not caring about the judgment of others. And

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00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: she has carved a path that is incredibly unique to her,

536
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: and she carries that with her. So when her and

537
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: Carl meet, she brings that. She brings her full life

538
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: experience and her unwillingness to bend too much, which I

539
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: think is fun between them.

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00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

541
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's it. That's all we're asking about me.

542
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: No, I can keep going.

543
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: No, No, it's fine. We can talk about other things.

544
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: What else shall we talk about? Oh? You and me? Yes,

545
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: both worked on c W shows at the same time. Yes,

546
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: in the studios, right next to each other. You worked

547
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: on Rain, I worked on Beauty and the Beast. Do

548
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: you have any recollections of your working on that show?

549
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: I do. I remember wearing a lot of attempting to

550
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: do anyway, as you can tell by if you're still

551
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: listening to me, I speak a little funny, and they

552
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: wanted me to do a British accent, and the accent

553
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: that came out of me was I don't think it

554
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: was British. I think it belonged in the middle of

555
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Well that's mid Atlantic. There you go is technically fine.

557
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: So there you go. I was that's my memory of it.

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Speaker 2: But I never met you.

559
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: No, not that we know of. We probably ate in

560
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: the same cafeteria.

561
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: Probably probably.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going I'm going back to the accent, so

563
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: rossef and I have a joke that his accent is

564
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: from Atlantica, a made up.

565
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 2: Land, well made up, made up for you. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's my It's this very small island in the middle

567
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Speaker 2: of the ocean, the middle of the Atlantic, with a.

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Speaker 1: With There were two residents.

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Speaker 2: Residents, yes, John Malcovich and myself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can you tell the story?

571
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: Quickly abandoned me when I was six years old. By

572
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Speaker 2: the age of eight, I was a very good swimmer

573
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: and made myself made my way to a cruise ship

574
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: set for New York. And I've been looking for John

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Speaker 2: Malcovitch ever since.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, thank you Lance for letting us

577
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't know take over your show and talk about

578
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know lots of interesting things. Yes, and please

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Speaker 1: tune in and watch our show September twenty fourth, Murder

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Speaker 1: in a Small Town on Fox.

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Speaker 2: Please do much love, Hey, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at Frosted Tips with Lance and

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00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: Michael Turchinard and at Lance Bass for all your pop

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Speaker 1: culture needs and make sure to write a review and

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Speaker 1: leave us five stars six if you can see you

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Speaker 1: next time,