1 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Phillies Show with Rubern Tomorrow 2 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Junior Jim Salisbury. I'm todd z a lucky It is Thursday, 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: May ninth, twenty twenty four. The Phillies just snapped an 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: eleven game home winning streak with a five to three 5 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: loss to the Blue Jays on Wednesday. They left the 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: tying run on second They had the tying run on 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: second base with one out in the ninth A couple 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: pop ups ended it. But the Phillies are twenty six 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: and twelve. They still have the best record in baseball. 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: The Dodgers are. The Dodgers are hot now. They swept 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: the Braves over the weekend. They pummeled the Marlins this week, 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: and I think they're a half game back of the 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: Phillies right now. And the Phillies have done most of 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: this so far this season without a really super Bryce Harper. 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: But we might be seeing signs of a hot Bryce Harper. 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Homer three consecutive games Sunday through Tuesday. Last four games, 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: he's batting four hundred three home runs ten RBIs. This 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: is a guy who never sees pitches in the strike zone. 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler was talking about it the other night saying, 20 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: this guy, I think it's nothing to hit, and you know, 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: a guy like him just wants to hit so badly, 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: so his patience is really impressed. Zach Wheeler and then JT. 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Real Muto, I thought I had something interesting to say 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: the other night in terms of Bryce getting things turned around. 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: He said, you can tell in his takes how good 26 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: he feels right now. I thought that was an interesting 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: comment from JT. I And you know, maybe that has 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: something to do with it. 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: What is that? Yeah, yeah, I think so. 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 3: The big deal for me was who was going to 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: protect this guy in the lineup, like JT was was 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: protecting him. Early they had him in the four hole 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: and Alec Bohone got super super hot, and you could 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: tell that at some point you just didn't know when 35 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: Rob Thomas was going to make the move. He made 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: the move, he slid him into the four hole to 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: protect Bryce Harper, and I think from that point on, 38 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: I think he started at they almost had to start 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: pitching to the guy because if they didn't pitch to him, 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: the next guy was going to pummel him. And I 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: think the fact that I think there's a couple of 42 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: factors here. I think he made a little minor adjustment 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: with his swing. But additionally, and most importantly. 44 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: He's got some protection. 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: Now. 46 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 3: You know, there's a reason why Trey Turner was doing 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: really well because he's got protection from Bryce Harper. Now, 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: Bryce Harper's got a little protection from Alec Bohm because 49 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 3: Alex is legit threat for a pitcher. And you start 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: backing guys up and protecting them, then I think you're 51 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: going to start to see more pitches, get better pitches, 52 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: and have more success. I'd like to think that the 53 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: fact that I said he's going to be the greatest 54 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: you know, Philly of all time publicly, that that got 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: him going. 56 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: But that is not the truth. 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: Bryce Harper's gonna be a great player regardless of who 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: says what about him. 59 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of it has to do 60 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: with protection. 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 5: Gym Yeah, and going nut comment that JT said that 62 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 5: his takes are good. I actually put some stock in 63 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: that as well, because you know, a lot of times 64 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 5: we judge a hitter by the result or by a 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 5: good swing. Sometimes just a good watch can tell you 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 5: a lot about how he's picking up the ball, how 67 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 5: he's seeing pitches, how he's seeing spin is he got 68 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 5: a good feel for the strike zone at that moment 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: in time. Uh, And it appears that he does because 70 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 5: it's led to, you know, three great swings on two 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: three run home runs and a grand Slam. So Bright 72 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: we talked about it all along that you know, Bright 73 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 5: hadn't even begun to fight yet. You know, it was 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 5: kind of kind of you know, Mosy along getting his hits, 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: but he hadn't gotten hot yet, and he's gotten hot, 76 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 5: and no one is surprised. And you know, I often 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 5: over the years, I like to talk to Larry Anderson 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 5: about pitching, and he would tell me stories about when 79 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 5: he was a young minor leaguer in the seventies that 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 5: sometimes on the teams he was on, this is how 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 5: baseball's changed a lot. Sometimes on the minor league teams 82 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 5: he was on, there wasn't even a pitching coach. You'd 83 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 5: have a rover come in once every two or three 84 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 5: weeks and you'd throw a bullpen and he'd make an adjustment. 85 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: And in the rest of the time, you know, you'd 86 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 5: have to self evaluate and try things in the bullpen. 87 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 5: You'd have to help yourself get better, and part of 88 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 5: the process in helping yourself get better was talking to 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 5: your teammates. They would notice things, you'd pick up things 90 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 5: from them trial and error. Hey try this, see what 91 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 5: you know you'd learn by speaking. 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: With your peers. 93 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 5: And I was kind of reminded of those conversations with 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 5: Larry when I was reading something you wrote Todd this 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: week about Bryce and about his swing and about his 96 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 5: production that he kind of feels like this little hot 97 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 5: streak could have been the result of a chat, a 98 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 5: batting practice chat with Trey Turner. I found it fascinating. 99 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 5: What did you learn from that? 100 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so after Bryce homered on Monday, you know, Bryce, 101 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: everything he says, he says, you know, he knows what 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: he's saying at all times, and he made a point 103 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to say, I'm doing a little bit better laying off 104 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: pitches out of the zone, recognizing pitches in the zone, 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: doing damage. But I did have this little chat with 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: Trey the other day Sunday before I made that first hit, 107 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: that first home run, and yeah, maybe it helped a 108 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: little bit. And so that kind of stuck out to me. 109 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: And it stuck out to me because Johann Rojas had 110 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: a similar comment about Trey Turner a couple of weeks 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: ago in Cincinnati, talked at length about this just great 112 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: conversation I had with Trey Turner, and it meant so 113 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: much to me that he would spend so much time 114 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: with me, and that Trey was showing me videos of 115 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 1: the of the players and himself to get me on track. 116 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: I went up to Tray yesterday, I said, so, what's 117 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: with all these players talking about you, uh and these 118 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: conversations that you are having in the batting cage And 119 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: he kind of laughed, he said, and he said this 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: probably fifteen times. He said, listen, total luck, total luck. 121 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with their turn around. He's like, 122 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: but I did have some conversations with these guys over 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: the past, you know, a few weeks, And the one 124 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: he said he had with Bryce was Bryce felt he 125 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: was getting frustrated because he felt he was coming, you know, 126 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: not not able to get to the pitches that he 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: wanted to hit in the strike zone and he couldn't 128 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: figure out why. And so Trey actually went and watched 129 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: some twenty twenty one video of Bryce, and because he says, 130 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: Bryce love was that video of himself, obviously, because he 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: won the MVP that year, so he started watching the 132 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: video and then he started watching what Bryce is doing 133 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: this year, and he said he noticed his hands were late, 134 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: and Ruben, you could speak to that better than me, 135 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: but I guess that just means either they got started 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: later or they're late firing through the zone. And so 137 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: he found himself missing some pitches and Tray said, I 138 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: think maybe your hands are a little late, and Bryce 139 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: said okay. And so it was funny because Tray says, now, listen, 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Bryce is such a natural hitter. That part of me 141 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, I hope he doesn't go out 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: here and just sucked tonight because he gave him some advice. 143 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: But so he said, the first at bat, if you 144 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: remember on Sunday, he took had like three really good 145 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: takes and then he hit a rocket up the middle. 146 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't out, but it was like one hundred nine 147 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: miled hour ground ball up the middle. The next at 148 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: bat he crushed a home run off of logan web 149 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: and then Trey was like, wow, that that was it. 150 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: And then interestingly enough, Trey had a similar another talk 151 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: with Alec Bohm in Saint Louis in mid April early April, 152 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Boom was off the slow start, and Turner knows a 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: couple of mechanical things where he was kind of sliding. 154 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: I guess his front hip was sliding towards the mound 155 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 1: instead of firing his you know, turning as he was swinging, 156 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: and Alec Boone got hot. So I don't know what's 157 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: going on, but again, Trey, it was just funny because 158 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Trey did say, it's like a bunch. I'm just lucky 159 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: right now. I'm on a crazy run right now. I 160 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: don't want to get to I don't want to take 161 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: any credit for this. It's a crazy run, but it's 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: kind of that's that cool stuff that you hear inside 163 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: the clubhouse that makes baseball fun. 164 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: So this is the. 165 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: Beauty of what this ball club does and why they're 166 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: sort of special, and how they really care. There are 167 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: a lot of ball clubs and there are a lot 168 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: of players in this day and age who would not care, 169 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: who would like, let just let the hitting coach do 170 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: and of assisting hitding coach and the other assistant, let 171 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: them do the work. These guys really care about each other, 172 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: are watching and they're observing and they're helping. I got 173 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: to tell you, I as a player in the minor leagues, 174 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: I had a good friend named David Escer who worked 175 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 3: on hitting. All the time. We talked about hitting. He's 176 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: now the head coach at Stanford. I actually got sort 177 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: of lucky that I got sent back to the A 178 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 3: lower minor league level and Quad Cities to work with them, 179 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: because all he did was observe every single one of 180 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: my at bats, and after every at bat we talked 181 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: and broke broke it down and it really really helped me. 182 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: We did the same thing when I was in the 183 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: big leagues with Kevin Jordan. Kevin Jordan was a benchmate 184 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: of mine. We talked about are at bats, We threw 185 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: BP to each other. 186 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: We did it all the time because. 187 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: Frankly, at that time, Hal McRae, who was the hitting coach, Frankly, 188 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: he was working with Scott Rowland, he was working with 189 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: Greg Jefferies, he was working with Regoe Brynan. 190 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 6: He didn't give two craps about Ruben Tomorrow and Kevin 191 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 6: Jordan because he wasn't making them the money, and so 192 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 6: it was important for us to observe each other, what 193 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 6: we did well, what we didn't do well. There wasn't 194 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 6: the same video and there wasn't the same stuff that 195 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 6: you could break down, but you could watch yourself and 196 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 6: you give yourself a good picture. 197 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: And you know, we would do that with each other. 198 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: I mean I do it with friends on the golf course, 199 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: now you know. 200 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 6: And I do it with Paul holmger and stuff on 201 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 6: the golf course and good and good friends I work 202 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 6: with because you care about each other. 203 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: And that's what the difference. That's like the big difference 204 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: that you see. 205 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 5: In this team. 206 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: It's sort of an old school team. 207 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: Where guys actually care about each other and want to 208 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: help each other have success. And that's a really cool 209 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: thing and a really cool piece of information that you 210 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: wrote about, Todd, And it's something that you love about 211 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 3: this team and why they really do care about playing 212 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: with each other and why they seem to gel so well. 213 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 5: And I also think it shows. I mean the disappointment 214 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 5: of twenty twenty two losing in Game six of the 215 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 5: World Series, the disappointment of twenty twenty three losing in 216 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: Game seven of the CS, I mean, those disappointments still smart, 217 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 5: and I think they still I think I'm sure they 218 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 5: fuel this team and it's strived to end this season 219 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: with something other than disappointment, end the season with a 220 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 5: victorious feeling in a world series. So I don't think 221 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 5: they care how they get it done, or where they 222 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 5: get advice from, where they get tips from, where they 223 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 5: find their success. They're all in it together, and if 224 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 5: it leads to where they want to go, then it's 225 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 5: going to be They're gonna be all ears and it's 226 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 5: going to be worth it. I mean, and it's great that. 227 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 5: I mean, Turner's going to have probably five more weeks 228 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 5: to make these contributions. It just shows you go on 229 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,119 Speaker 5: the il, you're still a contributor. 230 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: That's why I tht. 231 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it was so important for me that, like 232 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 3: when Chase was down and hurt, I want to Chase 233 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: to be in the dugout. I want to Chase to 234 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 3: be around so we could help people, so we could 235 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 3: observe and help. And I know he was trying to 236 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: take care of himself, but that's why it was so 237 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: important to have him around. 238 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 2: You talk about the disappointment in two thousand and seven when. 239 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: We got knocked out, Like immediately guys were like, man, 240 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: that ain't happening again. I saw it happen in Boston 241 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: when the year that we all got let go. We 242 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: got to the playoffs two years in a row, got 243 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: knocked out pretty quickly. We all got let go. I 244 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: know that those players, the Mookie bets Is and the 245 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: Ben Attendees of the World and the Jackie Bradley's and 246 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: all those guys, you know, they wanted to get back 247 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: to the World Series and win it. And that's you 248 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: know that that's the kind of stuff that sort of 249 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: fuels you. If you have a cohesive unit, some of 250 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: those losses can really help, uh, you know, help propel 251 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: you to the next level. 252 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: Riberty mentioned Mookie Bets. That was another thing that Johan 253 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: Rojas mentioned. He didn't he didn't mention it, but he said, yeah, 254 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Trey took the time out of his day to like 255 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: pull up all these videos and show me how his videos. 256 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: And I asked, Tray, said, so, who were you showing them? 257 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: He said, I was showing him a lot of Mookie Bets. 258 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: He's like, I talk about Mookie Bets a lot because 259 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: he is what is he He's under six foot right, 260 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's five nine or five ten, and. 261 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: He's about one hundred and sixty seven pounds. 262 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he hit thirty nine home runs last season, 263 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: So he said, a guy like him, he does so 264 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: many things, right, that's a guy I want to show 265 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: to a guy like Johann Rojas. 266 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: So obviously in the two years, I mean, he's one 267 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: of my favorite all time players and one of my 268 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: favorite all time people. But Mookie Bets, I used to 269 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: marvel at watching him take batting practice because he could generate, 270 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 3: because he had great hands. Man, he could generate bat 271 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: speed as well as anybody great athlete, but you know, 272 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: fast twitch muscles, all that stuff. 273 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: But his ability to. 274 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: To throw the barrel head was as good as anybody's 275 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: I've ever seen in that size, honest to god. I mean, 276 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: Chase Something was phenomenal as well. He's a little bit taller, 277 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: had a little bit more leverage, and had great, great hands. 278 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 3: They're different types of hitters, but their hands were just incredible. 279 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: Jose Al Tuve, who's five five or five six, great hands. 280 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: I mean you talk about, you know, manipulating the barrel. 281 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: These guys are special. And if Joann Rojas can concentrate, 282 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: because he's got pretty good hands, he's got pretty good 283 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 3: hand action. 284 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: If he can do that and trust it, he's gonna 285 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: become a better hitter. 286 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 5: Well, it's just it's really great to hear that. I mean, 287 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 5: Trey Turner is a great player, but to hear that 288 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 5: his contributions are now transcending the field and impacting others. 289 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: You know, that's gonna be music to the people who 290 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 5: signed that big check. It's gonna be music to their ears. 291 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably probably not great music to Kevin Long 292 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: because those guys, because they work every day with those guys. 293 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: But really, I mean, this. 294 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 5: Is I would I would say that maybe Rob Thompson 295 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 5: and the coaching staff have created an environment, an inclusive 296 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 5: environment where everybody feels comfortable speaking up. So I would doubt. 297 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 5: I would doubt that's frowned upon. But it's an interesting point. 298 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: Well, you know, no question. Well, it's funny. 299 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Long had been working so Johann Rojas's thing, I 300 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: guess was that he was firing everything at the same time, 301 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: and they were trying to break down his swing, start 302 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: certain things at different times. And Kevin Long was talking 303 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: about that in spring training and Trey Turner basically seemed 304 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: to almost reiterate that same point. But maybe just hearing 305 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: it from a teammate, which you guys talked about, you know, 306 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: with the Larry Anderson stories and whatnot, maybe that just 307 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: resonated more with Johan, you know, just hearing it, I. 308 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: Will tell you that there's no more impact. 309 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: I mean, with all due respect to all the coaches 310 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: I've had, there's a lot of impact on your peers. Man, 311 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: if your peer is is caring enough about you to 312 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: make a comment, and hopefully it's not it's not a 313 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: comment that is different from from what the coaching staff 314 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: is giving you, but it's something to help maybe bring 315 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: something to light that he was working on and to 316 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: see it or or to verbalize it in a different 317 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 3: way so that you accept it better. 318 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: Then what the hell is the difference? As long as 319 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: it gets it done right right. 320 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: Bryson Stott played some shortstop. It was funny if you 321 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: hours after we talked about Bryson Scott, when's he gonna 322 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: play shortstop? 323 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: He started at shortstop on Money Brethren Sooth Shop. 324 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: So the question I'm wondering is, you know, when does 325 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: he start getting in there a little bit more and 326 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: he's he is heating up. Wit Mayfield is kind of 327 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: heating up, you know, Wit Merrifield was last nine games 328 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: batting three fifty five, a couple doubles, a couple of 329 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: home runs. Bryson Stott in his last nine games, batting 330 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: three seventy three doubles, two home runs. You know, Edmundo 331 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: Sosa a good defensive player, good utility player. I'm thinking 332 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Stott's maybe is early. Well, I shouldn't say this weekend 333 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: because they're going to face three lefties I think in Miami, 334 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: but maybe next week he starts getting in there a 335 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: little bit more at shortstop, giving with a little bit 336 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: more play in right at base. That seems to be 337 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: the way to go. That seems the way that way 338 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: it's gonna end up going, isn't that. 339 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 5: I think they're giving Sosa a little bit of a 340 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 5: a little respect here, Yeah, but ultimately I think that's 341 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 5: going to provide your best lineup. Now it's up to 342 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 5: you know, it's up to especially Merryfield to hit stay 343 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 5: in there. But I think that's gonna eventually over this 344 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 5: five or six weeks span, get a lot of looks, 345 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 5: but we'll see. 346 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you know Merrifield has played, I mean, 347 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 3: just having watched him in a short period of time. 348 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: He's played a pretty solid second base. Not a liability there. 349 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: I mean he's that's the place that he has played 350 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 3: the most at and I think he feels comfortable there. Yeah, 351 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: I gotta believe that Stotts could end up being pretty 352 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: much the every day shortstop. And I think you're right, Jim. 353 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: I think Rob Thomps has just given you know so 354 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: so some love and given give him an up to Hey. 355 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: Hey, let's let's face it. When Sosa gets in there, 356 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: it gets opportunities to play. He always somehow makes an impact. 357 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty beauty. It's a beautiful thing that 358 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: the guy is off the bench. 359 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: If actually, you know, continue to provide some such sort 360 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: of impact every time they get a chance, just needs 361 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: to be something small. Yeah, Code has been great, And 362 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: that was one of the things I wanted to talk 363 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: about too, is the Cody Clements And I think there 364 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: was a comment that that that that that Topper made. 365 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: I thought that was really spectacular for a bench player 366 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: like myself, for the major league manager to tell to 367 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: say publicly, hey, when when I got sent out, Hey, 368 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: this guy is. 369 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: A major league player. He should be a major league player. 370 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 3: The numbers are working out such that he's not, but 371 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: he's a major league player. When I hear that, as 372 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 3: a player, you're going, Wow. 373 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 374 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: And so when I get a chance to play and 375 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: I get come back and he puts me in the 376 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: lineup up, you know, you're feeling pretty damn good about 377 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 3: yourself and you're and you and he's contributing, and so 378 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: I think that hasn't I mean, that's that's just brilliant stuff. 379 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: From Rob Thompson. Man. 380 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how important that is to hear 381 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 3: that as a twenty sixth or twenty seventh man, To 382 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: hear that from your manager who is making out the 383 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: lineup every day and then giving you an opportunity, that's 384 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: great stuff. And it can translate into you know, into 385 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: w's and it can translate into some production too. 386 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 5: It's it's it just shows there's more to managing than 387 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 5: you know, putting on a sign calling for uh, you know, 388 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 5: an infield defense player making out a lineup. You're dealing 389 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 5: with human beings and you have to manage personalities and 390 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 5: part of that is building confidence, not bsing the guy, 391 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 5: but there's ways to build confidence, and you know, sending 392 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 5: a guy out the door saying, hey, it's a number 393 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 5: scrunch or a big league player. That guy goes to 394 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 5: Lehi thinking I'm the next man up when they need 395 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: me and I'm gonna perform. It gives him. It gives 396 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 5: him a little booster shot of adrenaline and feel good, 397 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 5: and that stuff works. That stuff works on the mind, 398 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 5: and the mind ends up leading the body in a 399 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 5: lot of cases. 400 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned mentioning managing people, Jim, I mean Rob Thompson's 401 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: got to manage this Spencer Turmble situation, you know, which 402 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: is so tricky. The other night, Chris Sanchez comes out, 403 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: he starts and before the game, Rob's like, we have 404 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: we have a plan. We have a plan now. A 405 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: couple of nights earlier, I asked, and I think we 406 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: talked about this on the last episode when Taiwan Walker 407 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: went out and pitched. It was starting the seventh inning. 408 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: I was like, what do you have pitched Turnbull the 409 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: final two? He's like, no, we when Turnbull comes out 410 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: and pitches, we got to give him three innings. We 411 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: need him to get three innings to keep them stretched out. 412 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: Well, then I. 413 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Figured for sure turn Berle is gonna come out and 414 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: pitch three innings the other night when Sanchez starts, but 415 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: then sanchez pitch is so good that, uh Turnble only 416 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,239 Speaker 1: gets the final too. So you know, I don't know 417 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be. You know, it's a great problem 418 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: to have, like we've said, but I think it's gonna 419 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: be so interesting to see how they keep him stretched out. 420 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: Now Rob has already said, listen, the good news is 421 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: that we can bring Turmble back earlier than we want, 422 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: but that probably if he comes back earlier than we 423 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: want or then you know, in the next few days, 424 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna be able to follow up Sanchez again. 425 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, we have to give him 426 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: a long look within the next seven to ten days 427 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: or ten to fourteen days to make to keep him 428 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: stretched out. Otherwise he's not gonna be stretched out anymore. So, uh, 429 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: Rob's got to kind of manage that as well, because 430 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: Turble clearly wants to start. I mean, he clearly wants 431 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: to start. 432 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: You make plans in baseball and God smiles, brother. 433 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: I mean, Sanchez comes out and just deals and you know, 434 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: you got to win baseball games, and you got to 435 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: just let him go because he's a fishing. He's pitching well, 436 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 3: and he's throwing one inner or whatever, giving up one run, 437 00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: whatever the heck he was doing. Hey, sometimes you got 438 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: to make adjustments on your plan. I thought for sure, 439 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 3: after the seventh inning or after the sixth inning, he 440 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: was going to bring a Turnbull in. 441 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 6: He has a good inning, he throws it back out 442 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 6: there like holy smokes, and you think that's awesome. 443 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: I think it's great. 444 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 6: Man, he was dealing. 445 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: I gotta win this baseball game. Let him pitch. He's 446 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: stilling a shutout or whatever. 447 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 5: Do you think Turnbull might not have been ready because 448 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 5: as a starter he required a little more time. Maybe 449 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 5: I want to I don't know. Maybe he called on 450 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 5: and said I'm not ready. 451 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think he started getting I think he started 452 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: warming up. But even before the six he started getting loose. 453 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, yeah, he. 454 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 5: Was out there early. 455 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 456 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 5: Right, you're out there twenty five minutes early. 457 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. He says it's gonna take time to get used 458 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: to it. He says he's not quite used to it. Obviously, 459 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: there's only something he's only Yeah, he's only done it 460 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: once the entire life. 461 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 5: Something, something will present itself. 462 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: Sure, no doubt he'll know that he'll get it. There's 463 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: gonna be a rain delay or a range, something's gonna happen. 464 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: I know they're going to Miami and or laying in 465 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: the dome or whatever. But somebody's gonna blow up with somebody. 466 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: Something's gonna happen where he's gonna get an opportunity in 467 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: the next ten days to pitch. 468 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: Good problem, good, great problem. You kidding me. I would 469 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: have died for those problems. 470 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: Going down, going down to Miami. Nick Castillas is from Miami. 471 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: I remember last year he uh, he was terrible in July, 472 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: terrible in July, and then they opened uh. I think 473 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: they had like a three game series in early August, 474 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: and he went home the night before. He said he 475 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: hit in the cage till about one thirty in the 476 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: morning with his brother and one of his buddies, and 477 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: he went back on a terror in August. So Castianos 478 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: Is had in last eight games, Nick Castillos betting three 479 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: thirty three, three doubles, one home run, nine to eight 480 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: ops all, there's only four extra base hits of the 481 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: entire season of coming to last eight games. So now 482 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: he gets to go home, see his wife, see his kids, 483 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: maybe he gets going against a terrible, terrible Marlins team. 484 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 2: Terrible funny. 485 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: When we last saw the Marlins, it was here in October. 486 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 5: They had just earned their first playoff birth in a 487 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 5: full one and sixty two game season since two thousand 488 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 5: and three. To put that in perspective, Jack McKeon was 489 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 5: managing them, and Miguel Cabert was a rookie, so Philly 490 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 5: swept him out quick, and I thought kim Ming did 491 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 5: a really great job kind of getting him moving in 492 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 5: the right direction, got him in the postseason. Sounds like 493 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 5: she wanted to continue to do a little more moving, 494 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 5: and ownership said no, no, no, no, no, not open 495 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 5: to the wallet. She was moved on from after doing 496 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 5: really great work, and they didn't sign George Soler. It 497 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 5: didn't even try. Now they've traded Luis right and a 498 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 5: two time batting champ, and obviously winning is not even 499 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 5: on their radar. It's not a priority. So that's sad, 500 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 5: sad situation. They're gonna be in the long rebuild and uh. 501 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 5: But nonetheless, the Phillies have to go there and they 502 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 5: have two challenges. One is the environment. It's very lifeless 503 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 5: down there, especially coming out coming out of Citizens Bank Park, 504 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 5: where it's you know, thirty eight to forty three thousand 505 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 5: people every night, the four hours of Hell cliche or 506 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 5: whatever saying going down there, it's you know, four hours 507 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 5: at the library. So you gotta you gotta bring some energy. 508 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 5: You gotta conquer that challenge. And you've got to remember 509 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 5: that there's kids over there trying to prove themselves as 510 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 5: a big leaguer and you don't want them to have 511 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 5: their three best days as a big leaguer against you. 512 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 5: So to win this division, you know, last year the 513 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 5: Braves i think went nine to four against Miami pretty good. Right, 514 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: If you want to win this division, you gotta clean up, 515 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 5: clean up on Miami. What while they're not really trying. 516 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's just let's let's let's look at this. 517 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 4: They're gonna throw three left handers at him. Right, some 518 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 4: of their best hitters in this lineup for the Phillies, 519 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 4: left handers, Shoreber, Harper, marsh Stop. Those are four very 520 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 4: very good bats from the left side that maybe neutralized 521 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 4: a little bit by the left handers. 522 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 2: And so that's that's a real issue. So the other 523 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 2: you know, the other boys. 524 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: Are gonna have to step up and uh and provide 525 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: a little thump in that lineup. The guys from the 526 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: right side, particularly Cassianos. I know he loves home cooking 527 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: and I know he loves being at all. That's big 528 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: for him. But you know, it's you have to be 529 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: able to motivate yourself in these situations. I know they're 530 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: coming off having lost. I think in some ways that 531 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 3: one loss was sort of a good thing because I 532 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: think that they'll be hungry to get bounced back and 533 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: get another winning street going. It was a game they 534 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 3: probably could have won and didn't. They had opportunities at 535 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: least to win. But hopefully that their mindset is where 536 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: it needs to be so that they can play good, 537 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 3: solid baseball down in Miami, down in the South Florida. 538 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: Yea. 539 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: Jim has a story on the All City Network all 540 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: pH l y dot com about that. You can read Jimmy, 541 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: I Love Jim. Jimmy had a great story last week 542 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: on Alec Bohm and and the I Love this Place 543 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 1: t shirt and just embracing that moment. That's you know, 544 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: it's good to have Jimmy writing bass. 545 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 5: He's right right, So go to Miami. We've all spent 546 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 5: a lot of time in two ballparks down there. But 547 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 5: I'm gonna guess maybe like the high life for maybe 548 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 5: all three of us in Miami. What I wasn't there. 549 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 5: I was there. 550 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: I was for the for the perfect game. 551 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Perfect Game was amazing. 552 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: That moment was so spectacular for me because I was 553 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: right there with my brother watching it. And I was 554 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: with my brother Ruben, my half brother brother from another mother, 555 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 3: and uh and younger brother and he. We sat there 556 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 3: for like the last five innings and in the scouts 557 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 3: box right behind whole plate, watching Doc go to work, and. 558 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: I swear to you, we could not he talks more 559 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: than I do. 560 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 3: And the dude did not say a word from the 561 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: from like the fifth or sixth inning on. It was 562 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: pretty funny, pretty cool, and it was an unbelievable moment 563 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 3: when he made that when Castro made that one play 564 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 3: in the hole, like a really tough play like it. 565 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 2: In between hopspun and I'm like, oh my god, please 566 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: make this play and he did. 567 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: I swear to you, I was in tears with my brother, 568 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: hugging him high five and I'm loving on him. 569 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: It was a spectacular moment. 570 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 5: So I kept sneaking into the back, one to get 571 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 5: ice cream. 572 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 2: Shock, I remember that, and two to get a burger. 573 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 5: One to get ice cream, and two to watch the Flyers. 574 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 5: They were playing the black Hawks in the final, so 575 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: I kept going to the back to watch the hockey 576 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 5: game and get a little ice cream. And uh, you know, 577 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 5: all of a sudden, no twenty minutes of going by, 578 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 5: and it's already the fifth inning, and I'm like, oh, 579 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 5: I gotta get my game face on and some things 580 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 5: happening here. So I you know, I get out on 581 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 5: my keyboard and start hacking a little bit. But uh, 582 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it was so surreal, and Joe 583 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 5: Biden called him after the game, and I just remember 584 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 5: the clubhouse. Everybody was so pumped, and and you know 585 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 5: the fact that it was like his tenth or eleventh 586 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 5: start with the Phillies, like it seemed like he had 587 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 5: just gotten there and then he does this truly amazing. 588 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 5: It was. But you know, I've covered two world series 589 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 5: down there, a lot of really memorable moments, but that 590 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 5: certainly every time I go there, I think. 591 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 7: Of that, and so so two moments really stick out, 592 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 7: like what you know, it was pretty obviously he was 593 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 7: sort of my white whale when I got my job. 594 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: As a GM and went to day Montgomery's. 595 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 8: And I really would love, love, love if I ever 596 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 8: got a chance to get a player that'd be the guy, 597 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 8: because I've been watching. 598 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: Him beat us up in spring training for the. 599 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 8: Like the last ten thousand years, and acquiring him and 600 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 8: watching him perform, and seeing what he did in his 601 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 8: very first game as a professional in a playoff. 602 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: Game, to throw a no hitter ridiculous. 603 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 7: Throwing a perfect game also ridiculous, and it just made 604 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 7: all those efforts to bring him to Philadelphia just so 605 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 7: worth it. 606 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: Man. 607 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: I just I think back on those moments man with. 608 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 7: Great, great pride and a full heart, man, because he 609 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 7: was unfreaking believable. 610 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: So good man. 611 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 5: So you weren't there that night, but you did a 612 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 5: pretty darn good job chronicling it all in the shoulder. 613 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that I mean that was Wait. 614 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: Wait that one. 615 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. 616 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 5: There we go, there you go. I mean that was. 617 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean that that game, just talking all those players 618 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: getting other recollections of it, you know, it was just amazing, 619 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: you know, talking. I remember Jason Worth and talking to 620 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: him about what he remembers of that and all those guys, 621 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: you know Wan Castro reliving that play. That's a play 622 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: I made a thousand times as a kid, you know. 623 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: Then you know, through the minor leagues. I just practiced 624 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: that play over and over and over and actually have 625 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: it happened in that moment. 626 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: It was. 627 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. So yeah, no, I wasn't there that night. 628 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest with you, guys. I was 629 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: at home at my old house in Rocksboro and the 630 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: Flyers were on upstairs, and I was watching downstairs, and 631 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: I was I was like borderline nausea, sick to my 632 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: stomach because I because I'm going like, listen, I probably 633 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: will never have the opportunity. I covered the Phillies. This 634 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: is my job, and I am going to miss. I 635 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: think it was at the twentieth perfect game in baseball 636 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: history or nineteenth twentieth at the time. Yeah, and I'm 637 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: going I will probably never see this. And I am here, 638 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm here in my basement in Rocksboro. Well, roy Hell, 639 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: it is making history. 640 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: But it was. It was cool. It was cool. Good. 641 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: So So Friday, We've got Ranger Suarez versus Trevor Rodgers 642 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: on Saturday, it's Taiwan Walker, his use Loszardo is going 643 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: to come back from the IL. 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