WEBVTT - S2 – 12: There Is No Death

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<v Speaker 1>Welcomed, unobscured a production of I Heart Radio and Aaron Minkey.

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<v Speaker 1>The stage was stripped of adornments. Maggie promised that her

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<v Speaker 1>act would be as well. Finally, The New York Times

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<v Speaker 1>described the platform as bare and somber, but the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>was anything but. They filled the room with noise, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them hissing and shouting before Maggie could even begin.

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<v Speaker 1>The press was wild with excitement. They filled the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Academy of Music in October when Maggie appeared on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>just as she had so many times since her childhood

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<v Speaker 1>in Rochester. A front page illustrated story in that morning's

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<v Speaker 1>issue of The New York World ensured the crowd would

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<v Speaker 1>pack the hall. After an opening act that highlighted the

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<v Speaker 1>tricks used to debunk other mediums, Maggie arrived on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>still dark haired in her fifties. She out needed glasses

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<v Speaker 1>to see the words she'd written for herself. Maggie held

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<v Speaker 1>the lenses up to her eyes and read off a declaration.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything she had done for spiritualism over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>her life was a falsehood. She had already published a

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<v Speaker 1>letter in The New York Herald that called spiritualism, a

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<v Speaker 1>curse and a covering for heartless persons and the vilest miscreants,

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<v Speaker 1>people who used it to cloak their evil doings. As

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<v Speaker 1>she said, now she was making the same pronouncements in person.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't just statements. Of course, Like so many

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<v Speaker 1>other rooms before, the hall became filled with knocking sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>They started around Maggie's feet faintly, then they rose along

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<v Speaker 1>the walls and scattered upward, where they rang out from

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<v Speaker 1>the ceiling, thundering throughout the room. Here's author Nancy Stewart,

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<v Speaker 1>and she and hikes up her skirts and shows how

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<v Speaker 1>she makes these sounds their feet with her toes. And

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<v Speaker 1>by now there's a national Association of Spiritualists and so on,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are just outraged. What follows is an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>controversy that goes on for a long time. A committee

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<v Speaker 1>of doctors stepped on stage and solemnly confirmed what she

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<v Speaker 1>told them. Maggie made the sounds with her feet. It

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<v Speaker 1>was all a hoax, a fraud, and it was everything

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted, an exorcism of Mrs Satan herself and everything

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<v Speaker 1>she stood for. The newspapers, crowd doubters and cynics roared

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<v Speaker 1>their approval from the rooftops. This was spiritualism defeated. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the perpetrators of the nineteenth centuries most infamous fraud

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<v Speaker 1>finally dragged into the light around the Fox family acid

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<v Speaker 1>rumors had always circulated that Leah, a single mom, saw

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to take a simple gag her younger siblings

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<v Speaker 1>were pulling on their parents and turn it into something

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<v Speaker 1>which larger a chance to enchant and enthrall audiences. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was also her chance to do more than be

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<v Speaker 1>a part time piano teacher for the daughters of aspiring

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<v Speaker 1>middle class families. But did Leah, like Cornelius Vanderbilt throughout

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<v Speaker 1>his own life, see an opportunity and seize it with

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<v Speaker 1>a vengeance? She was like P. T. Barnum, just someone

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<v Speaker 1>who knew how to profit from spectacle when it crossed

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<v Speaker 1>her path. For viewers of Maggie's very public confession, at

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<v Speaker 1>least that was the takeaway, But it wasn't so simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's historian and Browdie. Fraud is a very fraud subject

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<v Speaker 1>in spiritualism, because there are no question that there have

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<v Speaker 1>been fraudulent mediums who perpetrated deception on the public and

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<v Speaker 1>profited by it, and that there have been gullible people

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<v Speaker 1>who were embarrassed and disserviced by fraudulent mediums. Yeah, now

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<v Speaker 1>that is also true of many professions, law and medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Not to mention politics provides opportunities for deception

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<v Speaker 1>and double speak and misrepresentation. Does that mean that all

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<v Speaker 1>participants in it have those motives and are dishonest? Spiritualist

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<v Speaker 1>believers weren't swayed by Maggie's performance, As we've noticed throughout

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<v Speaker 1>this season of Unobscured. The Fox Sisters were often put

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<v Speaker 1>forward as the mothers of the movement, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>far from the only mediums at work in their world,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if their own stage shows were faked, those

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<v Speaker 1>hoaxes didn't invalidate centuries of spiritual visions and experiences that

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<v Speaker 1>had breathed life into the movement long before the Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sisters were even on the scene. And when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to Kate and Maggie, spiritualists pointed to Maggie's history of alcoholism.

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<v Speaker 1>She was already discredited. They said, there was nothing she

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<v Speaker 1>could say now, no lie she could fabricate that could

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<v Speaker 1>undo a lifetime of miracles. She was simply pandering to

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<v Speaker 1>the doubters in order to stir up controversy, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>and to put herself in the headlines once again. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Leah's husband, Daniel Underhill, soon went to the newspapers to

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<v Speaker 1>make it known that Maggie had betrayed spiritualism out of spite,

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<v Speaker 1>just to put a knife in her sister's back. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie and Leah had been at odds for decades, and

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<v Speaker 1>three years earlier, Leah, at this point in her seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>had published her own book, The Missing Link in Spiritualism.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lot of ways, Maggie's on stage confession was

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<v Speaker 1>an axe that hacked at the root of Leah's claims.

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<v Speaker 1>But could that attack banish everything, including Andrew Jackson Davis's

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<v Speaker 1>harmonial philosophy, Cora's trans lectures, Emma's histories, and Sojourner Truth's

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime of work and love and power. New Yorkers had

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<v Speaker 1>certainly witnessed a disaster, yes, But like so many spectacles

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<v Speaker 1>from the world of spiritualism, it seemed that ultimately what

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<v Speaker 1>observers took away from it all looked very much like

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<v Speaker 1>what they brought in belief this is unobscured. I'm Aaron Manky.

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<v Speaker 1>Cora took the age. She had been doing it her

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. After all, it was eight and she had

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at the National American Women's Suffrage Convention with an

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<v Speaker 1>official title from an official group. She was now the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the fraternal delegation to the Convention from the

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<v Speaker 1>National Spiritualist Association, and she was there to celebrate the

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary of eighteen forty eight for the women's suffrage movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It marked fifty years since meeting at Seneca Falls, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Declaration of Sentiments that had placed a stake

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<v Speaker 1>in the ground for American women's rights and equality. There

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<v Speaker 1>was still so much work to be done before those

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<v Speaker 1>rights would be recognized, but much had changed in those

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years. Women had already cast legal ballots in Utah, Wyoming, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>and Colorado, but it would still be decades before the

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteenth Amendment would be passed into law in nineteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>giving women across the nation the right to vote. One

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<v Speaker 1>courageous and outrageous woman had even run for presidency, however

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<v Speaker 1>unconventional her approach might have been. For Cora, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>also marked fifty years since the fateful events around Rochester.

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<v Speaker 1>That decade that followed Maggie's confession of fraud in New

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<v Speaker 1>York had done little to overthrow Cora's worldview or her

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<v Speaker 1>place among spiritualists. In fact, the eighteen eighties and eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineties were a time when spiritualism and Cora's role within it,

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<v Speaker 1>took on a more permanent form. She had settled in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago right around the time when Victoria Woodhall was cutting

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<v Speaker 1>ties and leaving for England with a pocket full of

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt money. Victoria's reputation as Mrs Satan had threatened COR's livelihood,

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<v Speaker 1>as it did for spiritualist mediums across the nation, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't stop Cora from marrying into a widely respected

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago family and taking a paid position as the shepherd

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<v Speaker 1>of the city's first society of Spiritualists. In eighteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Cora and other Chicago spiritualists formed the Morris Pratt Institute

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<v Speaker 1>in Wisconsin, built with the proceeds of a mining company,

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<v Speaker 1>a company that had been guided to valuable mineral deposits

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<v Speaker 1>by mediums and their helpful spirits. The Institute would become

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<v Speaker 1>a Temple and School for Spiritualists, a place where teachers

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<v Speaker 1>and students could meet together and study the works of

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualist theology that mediums like Andrew Jackson Davis, Emma Brittain,

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<v Speaker 1>and even Cora herself had delivered to the world. Three

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<v Speaker 1>years later, in Nettie Colburn died, she had been the

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<v Speaker 1>most prominent medium to ever claim that she'd had the

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<v Speaker 1>ear of Abraham Lincoln. When she was laid to rest,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Cora who took the pulpit to preside over

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<v Speaker 1>her funeral. The following year, eightee saw an astonishing event

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<v Speaker 1>come to Chicago. Along with the World's Columbian Exhibition. Something

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<v Speaker 1>new arrived, the World Parliament of Religions, a two week

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<v Speaker 1>summit on faith. But while the spiritualists weren't part of

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<v Speaker 1>the larger gathering, they were certainly there in spirit. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>and Browdie once again in we have the World's Colombian Exhibition,

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<v Speaker 1>where we have Americans exposed to many of the religions

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<v Speaker 1>of Asia for the first time, and we have Swamy's

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<v Speaker 1>and other Asian religious leaders recruited to come to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and teach Americans about their faith. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we have the whole movement of theosophy which is attempting,

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to combine the wisdom of the East and make

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<v Speaker 1>it accessible to Westerners. And Spiritualism moves in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of all of these developments. Because spiritualism is always available,

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<v Speaker 1>you can always talk to the dead and in any movement,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you think that wisdom is going to come from

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt or from Tibet, or from South America or from Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>you can always make contact with the spirit from one

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<v Speaker 1>of those places who can give you wisdom that draws

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<v Speaker 1>on those traditions and on esoteric practices from another part

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. In fact, spiritualists saw that the reason

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't share the stage with their fellow believers was

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<v Speaker 1>that they still had no organization, and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>precise agenda of their meeting to form a permanent national association.

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<v Speaker 1>They believed it was time for the best interests of

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<v Speaker 1>spiritualists to have a more unified home, and one that

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<v Speaker 1>was more identifiable than a simple network of newspapers passed

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<v Speaker 1>between spirit circles in Washington, Boston, and Chicago. By the

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<v Speaker 1>end of their meeting, the National Spiritualists Association was born. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they said outside societies could contact them at their headquarters

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<v Speaker 1>with requests for information, or you know, with invitations to

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<v Speaker 1>important meetings of the world's religions. Wink, wink. The irony

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<v Speaker 1>of spiritualists boxing themselves in wasn't lost on those at

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting, or on Cora herself. She started her welcome

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<v Speaker 1>address to the convention by noting that in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>asking spiritualists to join an organization was like talking to

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<v Speaker 1>someone who had escaped from prison about going back again.

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<v Speaker 1>All things connected to human life, she once said, have

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<v Speaker 1>been organized to death. Cora was probably not the only

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<v Speaker 1>one to remember just how many spiritualists had left their

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<v Speaker 1>churches to join the ranks of science schoers. That had

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<v Speaker 1>certainly been true for the Posts who had left the

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<v Speaker 1>Quaker organization behind. It was true of Henri and his

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Carmonique, and for Catholics everywhere who wrestled against church authority,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a strong memory for any spiritualist who

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<v Speaker 1>had been present for the Ruckus at the Hartford Bible

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<v Speaker 1>Convention forty years earlier. Although those numbers were shrinking every day,

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<v Speaker 1>Spiritualism had always threatened the priest, politicians, and profiteers who

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<v Speaker 1>benefited from the status quo. It had given spiritual and

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<v Speaker 1>moral authority to people who had been stripped of their rights,

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<v Speaker 1>pushed to the margins, and burdened with work, while others

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<v Speaker 1>reaped the rewards. The last thing spiritualists wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 1>even in the nineties was to give up on their

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<v Speaker 1>labors and returned to a world of the strong crushing

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<v Speaker 1>the week. But in the coming decades, Cora and the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Spiritualists weren't the only ones who saw a spiritualist

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<v Speaker 1>future finally taking shape. It just wasn't the future they

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<v Speaker 1>had expected. Death was not something to be afraid of.

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<v Speaker 1>For Henri and the Cir Carmonique, death was just what

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Jackson Davis taught it to be, a door into

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<v Speaker 1>a new and more perfect existence. It was the chance

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<v Speaker 1>to leave a corrupt world behind and to climb into

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<v Speaker 1>a higher, more sublime, more magnificent country. For as long

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<v Speaker 1>as their science circles had gathered together, the cir Carmonique

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<v Speaker 1>had held onto the belief that by talking with the spirits,

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<v Speaker 1>they could learn all about that more magnificent country, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they could make this world more like it. In

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<v Speaker 1>his role as a city official and a school board

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<v Speaker 1>member on reh had seen the chance to do just that.

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<v Speaker 1>But as time went on, it became clear just how

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<v Speaker 1>fierce the opposition was. Here's historian Emily Clark. Violence, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Mechanics Institute right, was not alone. In seventy four

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<v Speaker 1>of the Battle of Liberty Place, during which the White League,

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<v Speaker 1>a white supremacist organization, takes control of New Orleans and

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<v Speaker 1>is like cutting telegraph wires and so that messages can't

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<v Speaker 1>get out, they slaughter the At that point, integrated police

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<v Speaker 1>kill some people who are just walking by. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>black carpenter who's killed with his own hatchet by White

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<v Speaker 1>leaguers who are just like marauding through the city. During

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<v Speaker 1>that the spirits of Mechanics Institute riot martyrs appear to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sar Carmenique and encourage them to keep the faith

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<v Speaker 1>that their rights will be maintained. Henri did keep the faith,

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<v Speaker 1>but he watched pieces of his world fall apart around him.

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<v Speaker 1>Black students were kicked out of New Orleans schools not

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<v Speaker 1>long after he was forced off the school board as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Efforts to rebuild the South in the image of a

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<v Speaker 1>different world had been abandoned by the political powers of

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government. This is a place that is increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>becoming more and more dangerous to hold two ideas of equality,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like actually starting in late eighteen Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the seance records for the last two years are mainly

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<v Speaker 1>just on re and the following years were tough. One December,

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<v Speaker 1>Andre's home was burned to the ground. His seance records

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<v Speaker 1>were saved, including the handwritten messages from countless spirits, but

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<v Speaker 1>much of what was precious to Anri was lost to

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<v Speaker 1>the flames, and slowly the members of the circle died

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<v Speaker 1>or moved on. I think about him sometimes, just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>by himself at a table, a table that used to

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<v Speaker 1>be full of vibrant conversation about the potential of what

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit spoke of, and now it's just him. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure the silence records offered some comfort, but in the end,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just him, and the records end in November of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy seven, as reconstruction itself comes to a close.

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<v Speaker 1>Even as the radical fire burned low in some spiritualist circles,

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<v Speaker 1>the fight for equality continued. The Great Railroad Strike of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy seven inspired working class people across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine years later, forty thou workers in Chicago fought with

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<v Speaker 1>police in another nationwide push for an eight hour work day.

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<v Speaker 1>In one street battle, police killed four strikers. The following day,

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb was thrown into a crowd of police as

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<v Speaker 1>they marched toward protesters. Eight of the officers were killed

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<v Speaker 1>and dozens more were in In response, the police opened

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<v Speaker 1>fire on the crowd and each other. Eight of the

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<v Speaker 1>city's anarchist organizers were scooped up in the following police raids,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when Cora stepped in, taking up the mantle

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<v Speaker 1>that Victoria had laid aside. Believing in the cause of

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<v Speaker 1>the striking workers, Cora was shocked when she heard that

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<v Speaker 1>the arrested anarchists were going to be hanged on circumstantial evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>She organized an amnesty committee and then set out for Springfield, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>to confront the governor and asked him to support the

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<v Speaker 1>eight hour work day. A massive crowd of people from

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<v Speaker 1>across the state had gathered at the state House pleading

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<v Speaker 1>for the men to be saved. One reporter noted that

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<v Speaker 1>Cora's lecture was so moving that it left the group

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<v Speaker 1>in tears. More than any other. It was this act

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<v Speaker 1>that wrote Cora's name into Chicago's history. In the end,

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<v Speaker 1>though the governor met Cora's please the same way New

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<v Speaker 1>York met Victoria, she was turned away. Four of the

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<v Speaker 1>men were hanged, and Cora turned home in mourning, but

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<v Speaker 1>also certain of her righteous cause. She later wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>the power of money and of human selfishness are doomed,

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<v Speaker 1>whether in the individual, or in society, or in corporations,

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<v Speaker 1>or in governments, or in crowns or in kingdoms. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>it would just take longer than the spirits had led

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<v Speaker 1>her to believe. But Cora wasn't the only one on

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<v Speaker 1>daunted by setbacks, because there were Spiritualists across the country

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<v Speaker 1>who had begun to revive that dream of a model

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<v Speaker 1>community that had fostered Spiritualist beliefs way back in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forties. All of them, we're looking for a place

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<v Speaker 1>the finally call home. It was a camp, but only

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<v Speaker 1>in name. In fact, the thriving Spiritualist community in western

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<v Speaker 1>New York had showed signs of being a permanent settlement

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<v Speaker 1>from its early ist years. They would eventually rename their

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<v Speaker 1>town lily Dale. They built their own post office, hotel, store,

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<v Speaker 1>and library. They even took on a bold new project.

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<v Speaker 1>They relocated the house where the Fox family had first

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<v Speaker 1>been shocked by the sounds of spirit rappings, and once

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<v Speaker 1>it was safely at home in lily Dale, the structure

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<v Speaker 1>turned their community into the destination for spiritualist pilgrimages in

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<v Speaker 1>the Northeast. Down in Florida, friends of the lily Dale

0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.720
<v Speaker 1>community followed spirit voices to a home of their own

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<v Speaker 1>on the Atlantic Coast. Previous meetings in Florida had brought

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<v Speaker 1>together as many as one thousand spiritualists, so in the

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<v Speaker 1>president of the National Spiritualist Association joined the founders of

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<v Speaker 1>lily Dale and many others to open camp meetings in Cassadega, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>As so many spiritualists had done before, they put out

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<v Speaker 1>a call for universal brotherhood, welcoming people of any race

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<v Speaker 1>or class who were interested in spiritualism. But when white

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<v Speaker 1>Northern leaders welcome their new black neighbors to lectures at Cassadega,

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<v Speaker 1>they violated several Jim Crow laws, highlighting the spirit of

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<v Speaker 1>liberty that had visited so many seance tables in previous decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's historian Kathy gutierres the Cassadega community, the Wily Deal community.

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<v Speaker 1>These folks understood perhaps the single most important thing about spiritualism,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the vanguard for multiculturalism. I completely think

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<v Speaker 1>that Spiritualism's primary contribution is to ethics, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>to the dismantling of a duality of heaven and health,

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<v Speaker 1>and to the relegating of all of your neighbors who

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<v Speaker 1>are not exactly like you to help. There are other

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<v Speaker 1>people who didn't actively believe in a hell, the Unitarians,

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the universalists, right, everyone was going, you know, to heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want universalist smith. But as a mainstream, low

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<v Speaker 1>splashy movement, spiritualism really was a driving force behind nascent multiculturalism,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that that is its lasting contribution. Even today,

0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the Cassadega community continues to be a home for Spiritualist practice.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Lily Dale in New York. It remains an enduring

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<v Speaker 1>testament to the power of the harmonial philosophy and the

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<v Speaker 1>deep belief of the generations who had lived and loved

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<v Speaker 1>its teachings. But it wasn't just on the East Coast

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.679
<v Speaker 1>that spiritualists made more permanent homes. In California, Spiritualist settled

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<v Speaker 1>along the Pacific and form settlements like harmony growth, a

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<v Speaker 1>community that's still meeting in a spot first marked by

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a simple ten foot platform and a hitching post. In

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Barbara County, Spiritualist formed a colony they called Summerland.

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<v Speaker 1>It was their own slice of heaven, and it became

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<v Speaker 1>a haven for spiritualist all throughout the West, even more

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<v Speaker 1>so when they drilled for oil off the coast, and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard that right, by pumping crude oil up from

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the seafloor in eight six, the Summerland Project became the

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<v Speaker 1>nation's first offshore oil well. It was one more sign

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<v Speaker 1>for those still certain of their spirits guiding them at least,

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<v Speaker 1>that they were entering a new age of prosperity. If

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<v Speaker 1>only those spirits had been more foresighted. But if there

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<v Speaker 1>were some spiritualists who held true to those original goals

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<v Speaker 1>of the mid nineteenth century, there were others who had

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<v Speaker 1>veered away. They were looking for new revelations in a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction. And even as those new offshoots of spiritualism grew,

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<v Speaker 1>they watched the influence of the old spiritualism fade and change.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've been listening to the stories of figures like

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<v Speaker 1>Sojourn or Truth, Cora and the Fox Sisters. And you've

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<v Speaker 1>been wondering what happened to spiritualism. Well, the answer might

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<v Speaker 1>lie closer than we think. Here's historian Molly McGarry. It

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<v Speaker 1>had found its way to theosophy, which does grow. During

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<v Speaker 1>that time, spirituals are still meeting in camp meetings in

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, in the eighteen eighties and beyond, they're

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<v Speaker 1>still doing their work. I think what's true is because

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:15.360
<v Speaker 1>the newspapers become less important and the community becomes more diverse,

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<v Speaker 1>and because many historians look at the northeast and don't

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<v Speaker 1>look at the west quite as much, that they've missed

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the rebuilding that goes on in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighties and the kind of experiments that are happening

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<v Speaker 1>outside the northeast or the central New York, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that area that had borth the original movement. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's less that spiritualism declines. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be one way to see it. But it just

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<v Speaker 1>becomes more difficult to see for all sorts of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and it moves, it moves into different formations, but it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I yes, theosophy was one of the new religious movements

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<v Speaker 1>that drew strength from its spiritualist roots but also from

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<v Speaker 1>its spiritualist founders. And among the earliest visionaries of theosophy

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 1>was Henry Steele Alcotts, that veteran investigator of frauds who

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<v Speaker 1>turned his mind to spiritualism in the eighteen seventies, and

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>he was joined by Emma Britton, whose theatrical performances were

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<v Speaker 1>surpassed in their power by her histories of spiritualism itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Kathy Gutierres once again. Well, Emma was at the

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<v Speaker 1>initial eighteen seventy two party in New York that founded

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<v Speaker 1>the Theosophical Society. And what the Theosophical Society and Madame

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<v Speaker 1>Bolvowski in particular proposed is that spiritualism was this is

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<v Speaker 1>my phrase, and obviously but too exoteric, right, That actual

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 1>occult work requires initiation, it requires adepts, and it requires secrecy.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you could talk to the dead, you were

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 1>approaching something important, but you weren't there yet. So they

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>actually set out to create a much more esoteric as

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<v Speaker 1>an actively secret and requiring gradations of initiation that sort

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>of spun off of some of the primary principles of spiritualism,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was also unlike spiritualism, which, as we've discussed,

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>it's very optimistic in so many ways, theosophy is paranoid.

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a massive conspiracy theory. So it has a different trajectory, right.

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:37.719
<v Speaker 1>It is not progressive or kind or healing. At the

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<v Speaker 1>core of it. It's much more about self transformation. It's

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>much more about the secrecy and inner sanctum. In the

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventies, Mary Baker Eddies Christian science joined theosophy as

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<v Speaker 1>another religious belief that blossomed in the world that spiritualism

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.159
<v Speaker 1>had made. But it wasn't just new religious movements that

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 1>found their origin in spiritualism. It was science too, especially

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the science of the mind in the eighties. When you

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<v Speaker 1>really see the rise of neurology and psychology as medical disciplines,

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>then they start edging into what has traditionally been religion's purview.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you have women speaking in multiple voices than

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally okay, are you a saint, are you a witch?

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Or are you mad? And Nancy Stewart agrees, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a gateway, if you will, into what we know today

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 1>is a modern psychology and understandings about psychiatric states and

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<v Speaker 1>trance states, and illnesses and and so on. I think

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:47.119
<v Speaker 1>that's all pretty familiar to people today, but then was

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>brand new investigation. In many ways, it's fair to say

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>that spiritualism was the bridge from our past to our

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>presence even today. If we know where to look, we

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>can find its trace is all around us. If we

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>listen closely, if we know how to interpret the quiet echoes,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 1>we can sense its eerie presence in the background of

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>our everyday life, like the sounds of knocking on a

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>distant door and I'm scaring. The past doesn't always mean

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>delivering a simple story. Sometimes it means stripping away the

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>simple parts of our past that we think we know

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>in order to explore the complexities of what really happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes that means we come into a chapter of history

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>thinking we have all the answers, and then learning that

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the story we were told barely even gets the big

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 1>picture right, let alone the smaller details. And honestly, it

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>sometimes means re examining a familiar moment in time and

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 1>noticing the ways the crucial parts of its history were

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>written out of the story, the embarrassing, the uncanny, the

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>parts that look foolish when we're using today's lenses to

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>filter out the uncomfortable parts of our past. But when

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>we look back objectively, with help from scholars and historians

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like those who have joined us this season, we can

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>start to see with a bit more clarity. Spiritualist people,

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>along with their ideas and hopes and fears, were embedded

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>all throughout life in nineteenth century America. Religion, science, finance, technology,

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>and politics were all braided together with the echo of

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 1>voices from beyond the grave. Rapid changes in the world

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>gave rise to modern spiritualism, and then those spiritualists turned

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 1>around and changed the world some more. By listening to

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and following those spirit voices. Spiritualists showed just how much

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the age old questions still capture our hearts and minds,

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>even as a rush of new ideas and new devices

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>turn our world into something unfamiliar all over again. Here's

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 1>historian and browdie. We tend to think of seances as

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a parlor game, and certainly they could become that, and

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>they did become that a popular entertainment. But the first seances,

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're games at all. I think they

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>show us the deep, deep hunger to communicate with the

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 1>spirits of the dead, the deep hunger to be reconnected

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>with loved ones that we have lost, and the deep

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>hunger for knowledge of the divine, for knowledge of what

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>will happen after we die. I think how long it

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>took to get a spirit message by passing your hands

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>over the alphabet until you heard raps at a single letter,

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>and then you had to repeat that process, maybe fifty

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>or a hundred times to get a brief spirit message.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, you're kind of hoping that you have a

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>human medium who will be an effective vehicle for communication.

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:03.560
<v Speaker 1>And to my mom, as a historian, I feel completely

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>confident in saying that the majority of mediums were absolutely

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>sincere in their belief that they were channeling communications from

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the spirits of the dead. Spiritualism earned many critics throughout

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen hundreds. It suffered through predators and fell victim

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>to profit seeking opportunists, just like so many other realms

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>of American life. But I can't help but think back

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>to Amy Post and her mixture of ardent, hope and

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>sincere belief in the eighteen fifties, because it was that

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.239
<v Speaker 1>mixture that led her to spend those long hours at

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the seance table taking down messages from the spirit world,

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and all the criticism that can land at spiritualism's doorstep. Well,

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the death knell people assumed it would be.

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>In many ways, we're still living in a world that

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 1>spiritualism made. Here are some final thoughts from Molly McGarry.

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>If it's very easy to sort of look back at

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the past and see irrationality and superstition and a kind

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>of secularization narrative in which we, you know, are are

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 1>no longer part of this kind of you know community

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>community of believers are dupes or the credulous ones. And

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I live in Los Angeles. Most people know

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>their sun sign, if not their rising sign. People don't

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>know their blood type, and they know their astrology. This

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>hasn't gone away. I mean, what can be seen as

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a kind of spurious consolation or after dinner pastime speaks

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to a real need for people for contact, for connection.

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's easy to see a superstition or as a

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>child kids parlor game, but it was really powerful. It

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>was amazing to me the way that the imagination, the

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>possibility that spiritualists could cross from this world to the next,

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>allow them to collapse, distinctions between world, between bodies, between genders,

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>between races in some cases. That that cosmology allowed for

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a remaking of things in this world, and that material connection,

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I think remains very powerful. There is no death. That's

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>what one of the best known British mediums called her memoir.

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>She borrowed the title from American poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>but the idea of messages traveling across fathomless depths had

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>always defined spiritualism's power. Besides, spiritualists had been saying it

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>for decades. For spiritualists, there is no Death wasn't just

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>a platitude. It was truth. The memoir was published in

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen nineties and it reads like the personal recollections

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>that we've discussed throughout this season. The medium tells stories

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of encountering the spirits of dead children and lost friends,

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and by doing so, she offered hope that even when

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 1>our loved ones pass away, they will always be there.

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>We can always talk to them because are always near.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>After all, there is no death. But the First World

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>War was coming. It would deliver death to European families

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>on an unbelievable scale, and all that loss created a

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>home for spiritualism in Britain that deserves to have its

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>own story told. Here's historian John Busher. There was a

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 1>big revival of spiritualism in the post War War One period,

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and in some sense it's still a part of what

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>lay at the heart of spiritualism is still in continuity

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>with what we see around us all the time in

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>our own culture. Belief in psychic powers, relief in channeled

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>texts that give some higher revelation. A lot of that

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 1>interest is now labeled new Age, which is a term

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>that was, as far as I know, was invented in

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>its original center, or in the sense that we know

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>it now in the spiritualist community. You know, a lot

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of that still with us today, just like the thousands

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of American mediums who haven't entered our story this season.

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 1>The long and complex legacy of spiritualism in Britain has

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 1>only gotten a few brief mentions. But the same can

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>be said about any of the other nations where spiritualists

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>traveled and taught and heard their questions answered in the

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>dim light of a seance, places like Europe, Brazil, Puerto Rico,

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>and Australia in the early nineteen twenties, though, spiritualism may

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 1>have found its most ardent new student in the person

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 1>of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who added his name to

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the list of the Curious and then the converted. Here's

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Nancy Stewart. You know people have laughed about this, people

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>like Arthur Conan Doyle. Here we are the most rational

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>detective writer. He's a spiritualist. Fudini started out believing in

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>it and then he got to debunk it as a magician.

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, it just kind of goes on. This leads later,

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 1>much later into investigations by people like William MacDougald, Harvard

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>psychology professor was the chairman. Duke and his disciple Dr

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Banks Ryan look into esp In the first decades

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of the New century, Spiritualism was revived and responded to

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>new catastrophes and to offer answers to the questions of

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a new century with its new wars, new technologies, and

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>new social formations. It survived countless tests and investigations. It

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>even outlived its most powerful publication, The Banner of Light,

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>which finally ceased printing in nineteen o seven, and it

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 1>survived the decline of its most hopeful early projects, as

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>well as the scandals of its most prominent mediums. And

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there are so many more stories left to be told

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>because for spiritualism, well, there is no death. She was

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the oldest, and of the many medium we followed this season,

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 1>it's easy to see how sojourn Or Truth forged a

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>path for others to follow with her courage. Here is

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Margaret Washington to share a final word on her life.

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:17.919
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's almost like a no brainer. And spiritualism,

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>how is that different from spirituality except that people want

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>to get in touch with loved ones who have gone on,

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and an African spirituality that is taken as a given

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 1>that your loved ones not only do they not leave,

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 1>they protect you. They surround you, so they're part of you.

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>So spiritualism for her was an extension of that. Sojourner

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 1>finally reconnected with those loved ones in three when her

0:36:55.239 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 1>traveling feet finally found rest. Yes, she was oldest, but

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>there were others who had walked most of that road

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:05.879
<v Speaker 1>with her. They might not have had the same destination

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>all the way, but Sojourner and the Fox Sisters were

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>travel companions nonetheless, and they were ambassadors for spiritualism, just

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like she was in their own ways. Even after Maggie's confession,

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the show went on because just one year later, she

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 1>changed her mind and tried to take back whatever she

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>had thrown to the wind, but time got away from

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 1>her and in Leah would pass away to the other side.

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Their sister Lee riffed unhealed. Here's Nancy Stewart with the

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>end of their story. Long story short. It's it's kind

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 1>of sad, but it leaves a lot of questions about her.

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Towards the end of her life, Katie's dying and does

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>die of alcoholism. Ultimately, Maggie does die two and they're

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:56.359
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of mysterious knocks and sounds A person who

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>is her nurse, who was not a spiritualist, cannot explain

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>them at the time of death. At the very end,

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Maggie seemed to be challenging the world to explain the

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 1>power that had flowed through her. She and Kate barely

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>outlived their first interpreter, their friend and mentor, Amy Post,

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>who had been more than certain than anyone else about

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>how to explain that power. In eighty nine, though she

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 1>passed away into the summer lands. The last surviving member

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>of the Sir Carmonique left New Orleans in and moved

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>with his children to Jamaica. His letters to relatives in

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Chicago show that in both places the deep belief in

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the power of the spirits lived on. He died in

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen four, and his son in law would later donate

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the seance record books of the Sir Carmonique to the

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>library at the University of New Orleans. Here's Emily Clark, So,

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the Sir Carmonique, over the course of their roughly twenty

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>years of practice, bill something like thirty five or thirty

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>seven books with messages. If you stack all of the

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 1>science record books up, it reaches around my rip cage.

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 1>of pages of messages from the world beyond this one.

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Those records are a testament to the faith and conviction

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Afro Creole community in New Orleans who poured

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>their heart and soul into a new vision of the

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:29.879
<v Speaker 1>future when the cover closed on their last record book.

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Though it was far from the end, New Orleans spiritual

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.360
<v Speaker 1>churches rose in their wake, led by a generation of

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>new Black leaders who would be the mothers of a

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>vibrant religion in the twentieth century. In Chicago, Cora finally

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>laid her head to rest in nineteen twenty three. She

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 1>had traveled, taught, organized, and lectured on the world of

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the spirits for more than half a century. Her legacy

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>still lives on in countless ways too, and the efforts

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>she made to lay a foundation for the Spiritualists of

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the future held true. The Morris Pratt Institutes and the

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>National Spiritualist Association of Churches are still active today. Yes,

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>some things do pass away, but others stand the test

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of time, especially when they're rooted in something eternal hope.

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Victoria Woodhall found a new home in England. She found

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>a new husband too, and a new life. When the

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>British Museum opened a display that explored the Beach or

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Tilton scandal that had destroyed Victoria's place in New York,

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 1>her husband John took the museum to court for libel.

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Victoria was ready to be Mrs Martin. Now no more scandal,

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>no more battles, no more smears. But even if you

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.720
<v Speaker 1>believe there is no death for the soul, the body

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>can't survive on belief alone. In nine seven, John Martin

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 1>had been sick. He wanted to see if island air

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 1>would help him heal, so he set out to spend

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the winter in the Canary Islands off the northwest coast

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>of Africa. But when he did, he left Victoria back

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>home in England. She had also been ill, maybe even

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>too sick to travel. When he was on his way out,

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>John wrote to his father that Victoria was very much depressed,

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.439
<v Speaker 1>just like Elisha Caine. Traveling away from Maggie Fox into

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the frozen North, John left, but anxiety nod at him,

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and he wrote Victoria often during his winter stay. In

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>one of his last letters, he said he wondered if

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.240
<v Speaker 1>it would ever reach her. I am out of the world,

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 1>he wrote. There is no telegraph, no newspapers. A flurry

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of lonely telegrams from Victoria were finally answered in March

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>when he sent a note saying I will sail tonight

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>for the most remote of all the islands and be

0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>cut off from the world for ten days. He promised

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 1>that he would come home to her afterwards because he

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting any better, But he was cut off from

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 1>the world more severely than he had imagined. John died

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:12.160
<v Speaker 1>far from home on March. His doctors sent Victoria a

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 1>telegram with the devastating news. But if she still believed

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 1>that messages crossing an enormous gulf could be a comfort,

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>there is no record of it. On his death, Victoria

0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>inherited John's wealth, including shares in his bank and his

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>family lands, and then she retreated. One note that she

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 1>wrote to herself explores the devastation that she clearly felt.

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Your temperament is of an active type, she wrote. Maybe

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>she was thinking back to her younger years criss crossing

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 1>America in a carriage with James Blood. Are going toe

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>to toe with New York City's hypocritical ministers and corrupt tycoons.

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:53.839
<v Speaker 1>But I feel a sad, tired feeling. She continued a lonesomeness,

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>so she retreated to the Tutor's style mansion that had

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 1>been empty for ten years. From there, she had a

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:04.399
<v Speaker 1>view over the Severn Valley and the Cotswalds. She even

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 1>started driving throughout the countryside to keep her mind off

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the dark moments of her past, and by all accounts,

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 1>she fell in love with cars. Here's Mary Gabriel once again.

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>John Martin, her husband had a family property in Gloucestershire

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and the west of England, and she literally would move

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>there and live in this grand house up on a

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 1>hill and wage for the rest of her life, wage

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 1>very small battles for education, for driving, for women's rights

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to drive, of all things. She got involved in minor

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:40.399
<v Speaker 1>scuffles with local authorities. She was still that fighters, still

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Victoria Woodhall, but her days of trying to change basically

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:49.879
<v Speaker 1>America and the world were well past her. She went

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 1>on to become the first woman to take driving tours

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>through London's Hyde Park along with her daughter. She drove

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>all throughout England and France. But she wasn't done forming

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>societies either. Her Lady's Automobile Club attracted others from her

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>new social set, including the Duchess of Sutherland. Their first

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>parade of cars drove right past Buckingham Palace. After the

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>First World War, though Victoria finally laid those activities to rest,

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>her sister Tenney had also married into English money, but

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>she continued to travel and speak. She even went back

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to America to confront Theodore Roosevelt about women's suffrage. But

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Victoria had begun to shut herself off from the world

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and its troubles. One of her gardeners remembered that once,

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>when he was weeding the path outside her mansion, he

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>heard a strange tapping sound ring out. He looked up

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>to see Victoria standing inside, knocking on the glass of

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.320
<v Speaker 1>the window. She shouted at him through the window pane, saying,

0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>those weeds had the courage to grow in the path

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of man, and you murdered them. Maybe it was a

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 1>hint at the place she felt she had begun to

0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.839
<v Speaker 1>inhabit in the world, somewhere between the world and it's

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 1>untamed edges. She had been uncontrollable in the face of

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.800
<v Speaker 1>men who wanted to clear the land, always coming back,

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 1>always stirring up life where others only saw death. When

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<v Speaker 1>death finally came for Victoria in ninety seven, she was

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight years old. Her ashes were carried into the

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<v Speaker 1>North Atlantic and scattered into the chasm of the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Mary Gabriel once again. The war she was waging

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<v Speaker 1>then she could be waging today basically almost using the

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<v Speaker 1>same language, which is really both sad and kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that she's a very pertinent figure for us

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<v Speaker 1>to study at this moment in that period of history

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<v Speaker 1>is a fascinating one for us to look at because

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<v Speaker 1>of the changes that were occurring, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>where society wasn't eighteen forty eight, no one could have

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<v Speaker 1>predicted where it would have been even in eighteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>Last story. When Victor Maria had sued the British Museum

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighteen nineties, she had taken the stand

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<v Speaker 1>to give testimony. Naturally, the museum's lawyers peppered her with questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Was her spiritualist Guardian Demosthenes? They asked, just as Theodore

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<v Speaker 1>Tilton had written, I do not think I shall tell

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<v Speaker 1>you who he is or what he is, she replied.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they asked her, would it be true that she

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<v Speaker 1>took a prominent part in all the movements social and

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<v Speaker 1>political that we're going on in America? Yes, she told

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<v Speaker 1>them I had, would she say? They asked that her

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<v Speaker 1>life was a career of what would be called a

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<v Speaker 1>very remarkable kind. It was, she said, a very laborious career.

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<v Speaker 1>They then asked if she had at one time been

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<v Speaker 1>a clairvoyant. Not at one time, she answered, all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and still are they asked, Victoria nodded, and still am.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode was the final leg of this season's exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the spiritualist movement, bringing our journey to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to our next tour through the darker corners

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<v Speaker 1>of history. But we're not quite done with the story

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<v Speaker 1>of season two. Starting on January, we'll be releasing all

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, if you stick around after this brief sponsor break,

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<v Speaker 1>time on un obscured Spirit Communication is ancient. It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>as old as mankind. It goes way back into the

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<v Speaker 1>Greek philosophers, many Asian religions, Native Americans. They have pet seances,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that your beloved animals continue with you through eternity. Personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of no stronger argument for belief in spiritualism.

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin Ekland was a favorite medium for the communication of

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<v Speaker 1>scientific information, and the notion that spirit mediums could communicate

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<v Speaker 1>scientific information was understood as another kind of evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>spirit presence. They didn't just focus on machine to make

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<v Speaker 1>contact between the living and the dead, but they also

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<v Speaker 1>put their minds at work to try to get inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>spirit help to invent new machines that would help everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>They take up nineteenth century Victorian notions of the virtues

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<v Speaker 1>of white female womanhood that allow certain kinds of power

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<v Speaker 1>for women and girls to speak in public, but also

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<v Speaker 1>a range of masculinities for men who might have sat

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<v Speaker 1>outside the strictures or boundaries of what was possible for

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<v Speaker 1>Victorian men. They believe that humanity writ large was also

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<v Speaker 1>on a ladder of progress, and figures like John Brown

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<v Speaker 1>and Tis Sultan over tour. They helped push humanity along

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<v Speaker 1>the ladder of progress. People from all levels of society

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<v Speaker 1>used religion as kind of an umbrella to either hide under,

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<v Speaker 1>to seek salace from, or to use as a mask.

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<v Speaker 1>So Journer, when she wasn't on the platform, she liked

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<v Speaker 1>to sit at the foot of the platform. That way

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<v Speaker 1>she could interject things she could say, Can I say something?

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<v Speaker 1>Un Obscured was created by me Aaron Manky and produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Matt Frederick, Alex Williams, and Josh Thane in partnership

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