WEBVTT - Episode Seven: Gut Instinct

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to how I eat in a day where it's

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<v Speaker 1>not about what I eat, but how I eat. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do this first things first, going to check in with

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<v Speaker 1>the body. Are we hungry? How hungry are we? I

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<v Speaker 1>am hungry, yes, and I want a full meal. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>choose it. This is Victoria Garrick. She's a former college

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<v Speaker 1>volleyball player who's gotten kind of a falling on TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>talking about body image and health, and she's showing on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok how she approaches something called intuitive eating. I'm staring

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<v Speaker 1>at the fridge because sometimes that helps me. When I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have an immediate craving, something might pop out at me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it did. Sahitas, Yes, do we have tortilla? Yes

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<v Speaker 1>we do. Victoria find some salsa too. In the video,

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<v Speaker 1>she microwaves the food, eating some chips and salsa off

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen counter. As she waits, she's clearly enjoying it,

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<v Speaker 1>closing her eyes after a bite and nodding vigorously after

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<v Speaker 1>eating another chip. She even does a little dance. And

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<v Speaker 1>then her food is ready and she sits down to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>This is divine. That first bite is hitting. She eats

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<v Speaker 1>another chip, then goes back to her fahita. Then she

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<v Speaker 1>takes a brief break, saying that she feels like she's

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<v Speaker 1>been moving too quickly. Where's going to slow it down?

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<v Speaker 1>Get back too mindful. It's like moment by moment she's

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to her body, how the food tastes, but

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<v Speaker 1>also whether she's still hungry. I'm getting to a point

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<v Speaker 1>now where I'm like kind of full, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>totally done eating, so just trying to determine when I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be done, and sure enough, once she's full, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>she stops. All of this is part of intuitive eating,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about healing people's relationships with food. Intuitive eaters

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<v Speaker 1>say that the way we eat has been screwed up

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<v Speaker 1>by diets and all the various rules about food. The

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<v Speaker 1>diets teach people that were so focused on calorie counts

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't actually tell what our bodies need anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok is full of these kinds of videos, people like

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria talking about what they eat in a day and

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<v Speaker 1>how they go about eating. Some of the videos are

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<v Speaker 1>just about eating in ways that aren't about dieting, about

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<v Speaker 1>having dessert and carbs, the kinds of things. Lots of

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<v Speaker 1>diets say are off limits, but also eating healthy stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like oatmeal or an apple. Think about the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you eat something. What made you eat those things? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it lunchtime or were you just getting hungry? And what

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<v Speaker 1>made you choose that particular food. Did you crave that

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<v Speaker 1>thing specifically or maybe you chose it because you felt

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<v Speaker 1>like you should like it was the healthy choice. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when did you stop eating? Did you finish your

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<v Speaker 1>full plate or just some of it and you were done?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you full? Did you feel satisfied? These are the

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of questions at the core of intuitive eating. The

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<v Speaker 1>movement was started by two dietitians in THEES. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a lease rush one of those dietitians. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>be aware of your instincts. You want to be aware

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<v Speaker 1>of what emotions might pull you away from your natural instincts,

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to be able to use your caring,

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<v Speaker 1>self compassionate, loving, cognitive part of your brain to help

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<v Speaker 1>you find a way to eat the nourishes you and

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<v Speaker 1>gives you spatisfaction. That all sounds great, don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>but what does that actually mean? Intuitive eating? Yes, gives

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<v Speaker 1>you the freedom to choose whatever it's going to satisfy you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also takes into consideration how does your body feel based

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<v Speaker 1>on your on your choice of eating. Like a last

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<v Speaker 1>just said, intuitive eating is eating what satisfies you, eating

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<v Speaker 1>in ways that make you feel good. Some people would

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<v Speaker 1>call it regular old eating. Eating when you're hungry and

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<v Speaker 1>stopping when you're satisfied. Sounds easy enough, right, But intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating exists because we can't just eat, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>many people can't. There's no way around it. We've just

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<v Speaker 1>gotten so screwed up about eating. Intuitive eating advocates say

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<v Speaker 1>that's why people need to relearn how to eat. They

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<v Speaker 1>say that our bodies don't need rules because we naturally

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<v Speaker 1>know when and what we should be eating. M or

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies knew at least we knew when we were babies.

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<v Speaker 1>We cried when we were hungry and stopped after we

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<v Speaker 1>were fed. That's the intuition that we have to relearn.

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<v Speaker 1>So what changed? Why don't we know anymore? Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>can blame diets, and intuitive eating does blame diets. Deprivation

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<v Speaker 1>always leads to seeking what you can't have, and diets

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<v Speaker 1>are depriving. You know, culture dominated by diets. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty radical idea. Is intunivating. The solution, Yes, is intunivating,

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<v Speaker 1>the remedy, the healing that comes from deprivation, and a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of lack of trust in oneself. Yes, we are

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<v Speaker 1>constantly being told that eating fewer calories is not just

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<v Speaker 1>good but even virtuous, That dieting will make you thinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and losing weight means being healthier. But those things are

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<v Speaker 1>actually totally wrong. That's what this whole series has been about.

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<v Speaker 1>Our ideas about weight are messed up. Diets don't actually

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<v Speaker 1>make most people thinner in the long term, and they

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<v Speaker 1>probably aren't the best way to get healthier either. The

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<v Speaker 1>battle to lose weight it's actually a losing battle. And yet,

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of all that, dieting still has a hold

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<v Speaker 1>on us. We're just not always calling them diets anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>We keep believing that being thinner is better, even though

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<v Speaker 1>that's questionable. Intuitive eating sells itself as the solution to

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<v Speaker 1>all this, as a fix for so many years of

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<v Speaker 1>messed up ideas about food, weight, and health. It says

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<v Speaker 1>the people have put their faith in diets and food

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<v Speaker 1>restrictions for far too long, and that people should put

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<v Speaker 1>their faith in intuitive eating instead. Naturally, I was intrigued

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<v Speaker 1>by this. Intuitive eating seemed to offer a way forward

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<v Speaker 1>past dieting and into something new, But I was skeptical too.

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<v Speaker 1>If there were no rules about eating, would people still

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<v Speaker 1>eat in healthy ways? And what happens to their health,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention their weight. In our final episode, You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come with me on a journey to Intuitive Eating University.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not actually a real place, but there are classes

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<v Speaker 1>that teach people what intuitive eating is and how to

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<v Speaker 1>put these ideas into practice, something that's a lot harder

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<v Speaker 1>than it sounds. By the end of this episode, you

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<v Speaker 1>may well be convinced that it's time to ditch dieting.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we also have to ask does it work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bloomberg News health reporter. I'm a court and from

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<v Speaker 1>the Prognosis podcast. This is Losing It. Welcome to your

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<v Speaker 1>first day at Intuitive Eating University. Take a seat. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you brought a notebook and the syllabus. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go meet our instructor. I found her on where

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<v Speaker 1>Else TikTok. My name is Sammy Prevett and I am

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<v Speaker 1>a registered dietitian, certified Intuitive Eating counselor, certified personal trainer

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<v Speaker 1>and the founder of Fine Food Freedom. She also offers

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<v Speaker 1>online classes like the one we're taking. Intuitive eating has

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<v Speaker 1>been around for nearly thirty years, but it's become incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>big in the era of social media. It's also taken

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<v Speaker 1>off at a time when more people are fed up

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<v Speaker 1>with diets. Intuitive eating very explicitly defines itself as anti diet.

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<v Speaker 1>According to TikTok, videos with the hashtag intuitive eating have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten more than a billion views. Some of those are

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy's videos. Sammy is thirty one, peppy, and has blonde hair.

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<v Speaker 1>She makes these really accessible videos about intuitive eating. Intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>Eating Breakfast Edition. Here you will see I have one

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<v Speaker 1>of my two because I already ate the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>Frozen waffles covered with peanut, butter, cheese, seeds, livered almonds, raspberries,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as topped with honey. Sammy will give viewers

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<v Speaker 1>tips and little exercises to do, like challenging them to

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<v Speaker 1>eat a food they forbid themselves to have. She encourages

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<v Speaker 1>people to feel free to eat in ways that diet

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<v Speaker 1>culture forbids, and here to remind you, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>are allowed to eat ice cream whenever you want. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds crazy, right, Well, if you're like, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not Why write what diets have you been on

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<v Speaker 1>that I've told you can only have ice cream at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain time. Sammy has this very plain spoken way

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<v Speaker 1>of talking that's appealing. You feel like she's talking too

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<v Speaker 1>straight and probably because of that and other reasons will

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<v Speaker 1>get into later. Sammy's TikTok's are pretty popular. She has

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<v Speaker 1>more than six hundred and fifty thousand followers. Sammy is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the dietitians and certified Intuitive Eating counselor. Out

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<v Speaker 1>of practice, she started called Find Food Freedom. They call

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<v Speaker 1>themselves non diet Dietitians and they offer coaching along with

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<v Speaker 1>the online classes I took to be a certified Intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>Eating counselor, Sammy and others went through special training and

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<v Speaker 1>even coaching by the founders of Intuitive Eating. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to understand what intuitive eating really is? This is

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy teaching and Intuitive Eating training that I went to

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<v Speaker 1>a little while ago. At first, I honestly wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect. I figured though, that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>my attitudes about food were about to get challenged big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a desire to find food freedom but

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<v Speaker 1>are also feeling afraid to give up the pursuit of

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss and don't really know how those interact together.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you genuinely want to improve your health? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to understand how it impacts health? Have you been

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<v Speaker 1>dieting for what seems your entire life? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>shame and guilt associated to body size? Do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable or discomfort in your body? All? Right, now that

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<v Speaker 1>we've met our instructor, it's syllabus time. Intuitive eating has

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<v Speaker 1>ten core principles. We'll go over some of them today,

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<v Speaker 1>like the first rule of intuitive eating, which is you

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<v Speaker 1>do not talk about intuitive eating. Oh wait, that's fight club,

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<v Speaker 1>My bad. But actually the first principle of intuitive eating

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<v Speaker 1>is to reject diets, specifically to reject the diet mentality.

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<v Speaker 1>That means tossing the South Beach Diet book, getting angry

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<v Speaker 1>about how when a diet didn't work you felt like

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<v Speaker 1>it was your fault, un following social media accounts that

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel bad, telling up how much time you've

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<v Speaker 1>spent logging food in the new map, think about how

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<v Speaker 1>many hours of your day are spent on the obsession

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<v Speaker 1>about food or body image. And I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>think about what would you do with those hours, those

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<v Speaker 1>minutes every single day, if you could get them back right,

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<v Speaker 1>take it seriously, think about it, I for one, would

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot better at some of my hobbies like pottery.

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<v Speaker 1>During the training, it became clear just how much dieting

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<v Speaker 1>takes over people's lives and how sad they were about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They got really emotional. Sammy asked people how long they

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<v Speaker 1>had been dieting for trapped in a cycle of weight

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<v Speaker 1>loss and weight regain. So let's look at some of

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<v Speaker 1>these answers coming through years since I was twelve, ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life over forty years, since high school thirty

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<v Speaker 1>plus years. Then Sammy asked people what they thought would

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<v Speaker 1>happen if they chose a different path, and they gave

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<v Speaker 1>such hopeful answers. Here's Sammy reading those out from a

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<v Speaker 1>chat in the online training. I would be the best

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<v Speaker 1>version of myself. It would take away the guilt. I

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<v Speaker 1>would not be thinking about food always right. I would

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<v Speaker 1>think I would feel free. Did you hear that last one?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would feel free to me? This reflects

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<v Speaker 1>how constrained diets make a lot of people feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they're running on some kind of treadmill. They can never

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<v Speaker 1>get off. Rejecting diets means letting go of them in

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<v Speaker 1>an abstract sort of way, rejecting new and paleo and

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<v Speaker 1>whole thirty. But it also means rejecting diets in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what you wanted them to do for you. No

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<v Speaker 1>longer holding out hope that there's some new program that

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<v Speaker 1>will work for you, no longer believing that you can

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<v Speaker 1>change your diet, change your body, and change your life.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, along with rejecting diets, Intuitive eating asks people

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<v Speaker 1>to also cut weight out of the equation. Stop worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about your weight when you eat, even stop weighing yourself entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>The scale is just a false idle. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>lease again, the co founder of Intuitive eating with self care,

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<v Speaker 1>self compassion, tuning into hunger, fullness, and enjoyment satisfaction. Our

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<v Speaker 1>bodies are going to be what they're going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about learning how to be liberated from a

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<v Speaker 1>belief that you have to change your body in order

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<v Speaker 1>to be acceptable. Discomfort with diets is actually where intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating first began back in the es. Remember how I

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<v Speaker 1>said earlier that Elise Rush is a dietitian. You can

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<v Speaker 1>think of dietitians as food and nutrition experts. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>them work in medical settings, including to help people lose weight.

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<v Speaker 1>When Alice was first starting out, what you wanted was

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<v Speaker 1>to work with kids living with developmental disabilities, but that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't end up happening. Instead, doctors were sending patients to

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<v Speaker 1>her for weight loss to help improve health metrics like

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<v Speaker 1>blood pressure and blood sugar, and I wasn't interested in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Alice had previously struggled with an eating disorder, so she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't of doing this kind of work. Then she comes

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<v Speaker 1>across some books that sparked a totally different way of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about eating and weight. One of them was a

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<v Speaker 1>bestseller called Fat is a Feminist Issue. It was written

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<v Speaker 1>by the psychotherapist Susie Orbach and is still known today

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<v Speaker 1>as a classic anti diet book. The other book, called

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<v Speaker 1>Overcoming over Eating, was also geared at helping people stop dieting.

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<v Speaker 1>Lease is intrigued by this idea of letting go of

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<v Speaker 1>dieting and helping people trust themselves instead of depriving themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>so she gets together with another similarly minded dietitian named

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<v Speaker 1>Evelyn Tripoli, and they write a book. It's called Intuitive Eating,

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<v Speaker 1>first published it's sold more than five hundred thousand copies

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<v Speaker 1>to date. Back to our lesson plan, we were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how the first principle of intuitive eating is

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<v Speaker 1>to reject the diet mentality check. The next principle is

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<v Speaker 1>to honor your hunger a k a. Eating when you're hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mentioned earlier, that doesn't sound like it should

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<v Speaker 1>be so hard, but remember we've absorbed all these rules

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<v Speaker 1>about food from diets. Intuitive eating teaches that because of this,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to rediscover things like hunger and fullness. First

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<v Speaker 1>things first, how do you know that you're hungry? Your

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<v Speaker 1>stomach growls, right, Maybe you feel a little sick, dizzy

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<v Speaker 1>or tired. And for that matter, how do you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're full? You can actually feel it in your stomach. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you're not as interested in your meal anymore. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in class, so your homework assignment today is to

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<v Speaker 1>track how hungry and full you are over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of a day. This is actually an exercise Sammy private

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<v Speaker 1>assigned in our classes together. As you're eating, think about

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying your food. Are you able to savor it and

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<v Speaker 1>take pleasure in eating? Then, when you're finished, how does

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<v Speaker 1>that fullness feel do you feel a little too full,

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<v Speaker 1>does it feel pleasant? Or maybe you're not full at

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<v Speaker 1>all and you need to eat more. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>enough to just tune into your bodily cues about eating,

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy take it away. To be able to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the body, to be able to be intentional and aware

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<v Speaker 1>of hunger and fullness, we have to drop the guilt

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<v Speaker 1>and shame associated with food because so often what will

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<v Speaker 1>happen is people will want to listen to their hunger

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<v Speaker 1>and fullness and satisfaction, but they can't even tap into

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<v Speaker 1>that because there's so much noise going on in their

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<v Speaker 1>heads saying you shouldn't be eating that, why are you eating? That,

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<v Speaker 1>you're such a bad person. I bet a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people listening right now have had these kinds of feelings

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<v Speaker 1>about food. I know I have, But it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>crazy to think about because when you step back for

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<v Speaker 1>a second, I'm sure you can see that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a bad person for eating a brownie, and you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a good person because you had grilled vegetables at dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet we get these kinds of messages all the

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<v Speaker 1>time about food, which brings us to the third principle

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<v Speaker 1>of intuitive eating, we have to make peace with food.

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<v Speaker 1>Intuitive eating argues that the reason we overeat a k

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<v Speaker 1>a binge is because of restrictions on food. Dieting has

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<v Speaker 1>some form of restriction. We do that restriction as long

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<v Speaker 1>as humanly possible, right until maybe we don't have access

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<v Speaker 1>to food, or stressful life event comes up, or simply

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<v Speaker 1>we just can't do it anymore. And then we usually

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<v Speaker 1>binge or feel out of control around the foods that

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<v Speaker 1>were restricted. We say, see, this is why I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be on a diet. I can't be trusted around X,

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<v Speaker 1>Y or Z food. Right. This also aligns with how

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<v Speaker 1>researchers think about scarcity, which is that it leads people

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<v Speaker 1>to focus disproportionately on whatever is in short supply. If

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to avoid sweets and there's a dispenser of

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate covered almonds at work, I'm going to think about

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<v Speaker 1>them a lot. An Intuitive eating argues that I will

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<v Speaker 1>at some point eat those chocolate covered almonds, and probably

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<v Speaker 1>over eat them. Actually, you hit a breaking point where

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<v Speaker 1>you say about that I would like some cars. By

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<v Speaker 1>intuitive eatings, logic diets are actually creating the very issues

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to stop Okay, so learning how to intuitively

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<v Speaker 1>eat means getting rid of food rules. Now, what does

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<v Speaker 1>intuitive eating mean? Basically just having whatever you want to eat?

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy says that this is sort of a misconception because

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<v Speaker 1>what you want might actually change once you let yourself

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<v Speaker 1>have it. That's the idea. Anyway. Now, when we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to big getting stages of our intuitive eating journey

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to make peace with food, we do allow

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<v Speaker 1>all foods and it will feel We call it a

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<v Speaker 1>couple different things. You might hear celebratory binge phase, honeymoon phase,

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<v Speaker 1>where we're eating a lot of those fun foods or

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<v Speaker 1>those playfoods, or those foods that were restricted for fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>plus years. Sammy teaches that over time, you get used

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Once you've given yourself permission, those foods may

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<v Speaker 1>not seem as exciting anymore. When there are no good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad foods, food is just food. You can have

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<v Speaker 1>it when you want it. Any good college class wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be complete without a case study. So here's an example.

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<v Speaker 1>A Lease Rush, one of the founders of intuitive eating,

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<v Speaker 1>gave me. She had this one client who loved to

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<v Speaker 1>eat grilled cheese sandwiches, but wouldn't let herself eat them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said, well, how about having grilled cheese every

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<v Speaker 1>day for this coming week? Until I say it again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, grilled cheese every day for a week, prescribed

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<v Speaker 1>by none other than a dietitian. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>of that? If your reaction to that was really you're

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<v Speaker 1>probably not alone. It's worth thinking about why that was

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<v Speaker 1>your reaction, Probably because it's really really hard to shape

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<v Speaker 1>diet culture and the messages it sends. I'd also gently

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<v Speaker 1>remind you that we're in coast today to learn to

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<v Speaker 1>make peace with food. Remember, but you almost can't do

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<v Speaker 1>that without principle four of intuitive eating, which is challenge

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<v Speaker 1>the food police. That refers to the way diets have

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<v Speaker 1>conditioned us to make all these moral judgments about food.

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<v Speaker 1>In this example, Elisa's client has been thinking of grilled

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<v Speaker 1>cheese as bad even though she enjoys it. Maybe she's

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<v Speaker 1>eating salads for lunch instead because salad is good. And

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<v Speaker 1>who was telling her that exactly? Other people or some

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<v Speaker 1>little voice inside herself. That voice is the food police,

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<v Speaker 1>as I learned from Sammy's class. And you challenge the

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<v Speaker 1>food police by letting food be neutral, cutting out all

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<v Speaker 1>the moral judgments about it. So let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Elsa's client, who has been told to live her best

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<v Speaker 1>grilled cheese life. What happened with that? She came in

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<v Speaker 1>the next week and I said, how did it go?

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, after about three days, I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at any grilled cheese, and all I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>was a salad. Imagine a world in which grilled cheese

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<v Speaker 1>isn't bad and a salad isn't good. They're just foods.

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<v Speaker 1>They both fuel you, even if one of them is

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<v Speaker 1>more nutritious, and you can choose the grilled cheese because

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to enjoy it more without feeling like the

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<v Speaker 1>size of your body means you need to make a

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<v Speaker 1>different choice. Intuitive eating says this world doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>live just in our imaginations, that it is entirely within reach.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be wondering by now whether people gain weight

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<v Speaker 1>when they intuitively eat, and the answer is yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>could happen. People could also lose weight, or their weight

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<v Speaker 1>could stay the same. Anything could happen. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>me that the whole point is to take fear out

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<v Speaker 1>of the equation, to not think of your weight changing

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<v Speaker 1>as a consequence. Instead, the point is to develop a

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<v Speaker 1>new relationship with food, to see it as both fuel

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<v Speaker 1>for your body but also a source of enjoyment and pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>and also to develop a new relationship with your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Recognize that you may never be in as small a

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<v Speaker 1>body as you would like to be, or as beauty

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<v Speaker 1>ideals say you should be. You might look the way

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<v Speaker 1>you look your whole life, and that would be okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because intuitive eating says that people can be healthy no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what they weigh. But I still couldn't help but

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<v Speaker 1>think about healthy eating. If we could eat whatever we wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>would we still make healthy choices? Elise and other intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating teachers say that we would. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big misconception that having that food available will lead you

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<v Speaker 1>to only eating that food. If you're really listening to

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<v Speaker 1>your body, you're not going to feel very well. If

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<v Speaker 1>that's all you need, you might start craving a salad

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<v Speaker 1>after a few days of eating grilled cheese sandwiches like

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<v Speaker 1>Alice's client. Alice says that making peace with food is

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally healthier for us, and that when it comes to eating,

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<v Speaker 1>mental health is as important, if not more important, than

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<v Speaker 1>physical health. Intuitive eating also does teach people about nutrition,

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<v Speaker 1>which they call gentle nutrition. It is the last principle

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<v Speaker 1>of intuitive eating principle number ten, and was the final

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<v Speaker 1>lesson of the course I took. Alice says that eventually

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<v Speaker 1>you're not eating only so called bad foods or so

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<v Speaker 1>called good foods. You have a nice balance of many

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds of foods so that you can feel good

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<v Speaker 1>and get satisfied. And who doesn't want to feel good

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<v Speaker 1>and get satisfied. Even before I started reporting this series,

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<v Speaker 1>I have thought a lot about food and weight. They

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<v Speaker 1>are incredibly thorny subjects. We get so many messages about

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<v Speaker 1>them in society, especially as a woman. And also they

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<v Speaker 1>are completely unavoidable. You've got to eat, and no matter what,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to weigh something, so you're faced with countless

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<v Speaker 1>fraud decisions each day about how to handle it. Intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating seems like it could offer a solution. Listen to

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<v Speaker 1>what your body needs. Let food be fuel and also

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<v Speaker 1>a source of pleasure. Stop judging yourself for what you eat.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to be thin to be healthy. In

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<v Speaker 1>some utopian world where what you eat doesn't matter and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no baggage or judgment about food and weight. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the way you might design things. It's very appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, there's a clear draw. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>real world you feel like you can't do that because

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<v Speaker 1>if you eat chocolate cake when you want to eat

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate cake, you worry about gaining weight and harming your health.

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<v Speaker 1>Intuitive eating gives you permission to eat and think about

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<v Speaker 1>your weight more on your own terms. Can you truly

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<v Speaker 1>make peace with food and your body if it means

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<v Speaker 1>that you change the world around you? Doesn't? And that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the only issue I ran into when I started

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<v Speaker 1>digging deep into intuitive eating, Like, for example, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether eating this way will actually make you healthier.

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<v Speaker 1>First the good Calling food the enemy may sound melodramatic,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is genuinely how it feels. Sometimes, Shifting to

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<v Speaker 1>think about food as fuel and also a source of

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure felt pretty empowering to me. I began to ask

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<v Speaker 1>questions about how hungry I was in a given moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and why some kinds of foods felt off limits, whether

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<v Speaker 1>I really needed to feel bad after eating chocolate as

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<v Speaker 1>an afternoon snack. Also, until this, I hadn't realized how

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<v Speaker 1>many diet foods I eat, even though I'm not on

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<v Speaker 1>a diet, they just have this hold on me on

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<v Speaker 1>lots of us. Really, when I see a hard boiled egg,

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<v Speaker 1>I almost immediately remove the yolk before eating it. Why

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<v Speaker 1>diet culture? I buy race cakes as a snack. Why

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<v Speaker 1>diet culture? Even the trend in recent years towards cauliflower

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<v Speaker 1>versions of everything from pizza crusts to pasta's diet culture?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we eating these things because we actually like them?

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<v Speaker 1>Intuitive eating, to its credit, asks these kinds of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and it brings some important insights to the table. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how dieting takes these things we rely on

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<v Speaker 1>for life and twists them, turning them into bad things

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<v Speaker 1>like calories which fuel our bodies each day. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>holbalism which takes those calories and uses them to keep

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<v Speaker 1>us going. Yet we're afraid of having too many calories,

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<v Speaker 1>and we blame our metabolism for being too slow. Not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention, dieting makes us hate our actual bodies, which

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<v Speaker 1>do so many things for us besides look great in

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of pants, like breathe pump gallons of blood

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<v Speaker 1>each day, he'll broken bones, fight off viruses. Intuitive eating

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<v Speaker 1>points out how wrong it is to demonize the very

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<v Speaker 1>things keeping us alive. It also tries to take the

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<v Speaker 1>judgment out of food, treating food choices with gentleness and

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<v Speaker 1>understanding instead. No good or bad foods again, every offids

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<v Speaker 1>are emotionally equivalent. This appealed a lot to me too.

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<v Speaker 1>All this thinking inspired what I like to think of

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<v Speaker 1>as the great chocolate covered almond experiment of Yes, for

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who listened to episode one, we're talking nuts again.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I say? I've actually been eating a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more since that episode. I hadn't realized before how rarely

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<v Speaker 1>I eat them. We tend to think of nuts as

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<v Speaker 1>high calorie foods, but studies have found that they actually

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<v Speaker 1>have fewer calories than we thought. Of course, in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of intuitive eating, that also shouldn't matter. Nuts aren't

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<v Speaker 1>good or bad. They're just food, and you can eat

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>them if you want to. Chocolate covered almonds are probably

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite, probably because of the chocolate part. We have

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<v Speaker 1>them at work, and honestly I usually try to avoid

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>them because I've been thinking of them as not the

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<v Speaker 1>healthiest thing. Right, intuitive eating inspired me to buy chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>covered almonds and bring them home. I ate them as

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<v Speaker 1>an afternoon snack one day while watching TV. Another day

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<v Speaker 1>in the evening, I even shared a few with my partner,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the bag was done and I felt fine

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:44.720
<v Speaker 1>about it. The earth didn't chatter or anything, my pants

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<v Speaker 1>still fit, nothing really happened. I like treating the almonds

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>like they weren't dangerous a threat to everything I hold

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 1>near and dear, Like I could have them and it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't really change anything. They were just chocolate covered almonds

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<v Speaker 1>after all. Still, I wondered if I was really eating intuitively,

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<v Speaker 1>was I doing it right? So I put the question

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<v Speaker 1>to Sammy, the intuitive eating teacher. Kudos to you for

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 1>that experiment, and you know, kind of digging deeper there.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of the reason I was second guessing myself so

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<v Speaker 1>much with the chocolate almonds is that they seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe still a pretty healthy food at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, even if they were liberally doused in chocolate.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I explained that to her. Was I still at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day buying into diets in some way

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<v Speaker 1>giving myself permission to eat but not too much permission?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there right or wrong food? Absolutely not. This is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be different for every one, And what I

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<v Speaker 1>would invite you to do is get curious about whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's chocolate covered almonds, whether it was the chocolate part

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<v Speaker 1>of the chocolate covered almonds. You know, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>messages you've gotten around chocolate covered almonds? Sammy is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>where did I get the idea that I can't eat

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>the chocolate covered almonds? My guess is it's because of

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<v Speaker 1>the chocolate part. Sweet treats like this are completely villainized

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>by our culture, even though depending on where you live,

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<v Speaker 1>they're also kind of everywhere. As a result, I've kind

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<v Speaker 1>of developed all these ideas about how often it's okay

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to eat these kinds of desserts and also at what

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>times of the day self imposed rules that lead me

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid chocolate covered almonds at work. She also said

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<v Speaker 1>that what I experienced when I brought them into my

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<v Speaker 1>house is called food habituation. The big fear people here

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<v Speaker 1>when they're like, Sammy, you don't understand if I have

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<v Speaker 1>unconditional permission to eat I'm just going to eat chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>covered almonds, pizza cake, cookie, ice cream, brownies, like all

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<v Speaker 1>these foods for the rest of my life. But Sammy says,

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<v Speaker 1>actually you won't. So what you did is you normalized

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate covered almonds. Right, You brought them into the home

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<v Speaker 1>and said, I'm going to allow myself to eat these

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I want, however much I want, and they're here

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<v Speaker 1>and they're normal, and then by the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>week you're like, you know, I'm kind of like good.

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<v Speaker 1>The point isn't to like ruin chocolate covered almonds for

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<v Speaker 1>myself and never have them again. The point is to

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<v Speaker 1>stop being afraid of them by simply making them available.

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<v Speaker 1>If diet rules have made them feel off limits, make

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<v Speaker 1>them neutral instead. The idea is pretty simple. If you're

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>craving chocolate covered almonds, eat the chocolate covered almonds. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I was talking about this with my editor Kristin V. Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>she raised this interesting question. Here's she said, Can we

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<v Speaker 1>really trust the food cues our body are sending us? Like,

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're stressed and eat a bunch of snacks, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not because you're actually hungry, And there is a difference

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<v Speaker 1>between physical hunger and emotional hunger. In fact, our environment

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>is pretty optimized to make us feel like we want

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to eat, even if it isn't actually lunchtime. We smell

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>the fries being cooked, or see an enticing picture of

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a slice of cake in a store window. Scientists sometimes

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>call things like this the obesogenic environment. It basically means

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the kinds of unhealthy environments that surround us each day.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Sarah Dowset, a psychologist who teaches an intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating class called Diet Culture Dropout, about that. She told

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>me that we can eat the fries or a slice

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of cake. It's okay. Even if you don't feel so

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<v Speaker 1>good afterwards. That feeling will pass and you can move

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<v Speaker 1>on enjoying food and taking comfort in It is demonized

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<v Speaker 1>by our society, but they actually shouldn't be. If food

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<v Speaker 1>offers us comfort in a difficult time, maybe that's actually good,

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<v Speaker 1>not bad. It happens, and it doesn't make you a

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<v Speaker 1>bad person. Might do a behavior exercise where I ask

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<v Speaker 1>people to list five forbidden foods. I was just telling

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah that I have a bit of a sweet tooth,

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<v Speaker 1>so for you, it might be the chocolate and the

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<v Speaker 1>cinnamon buns. And to get five helpings of those foods.

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<v Speaker 1>So five sittings of those foods and allow yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>eat them just for that, just for that one time,

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<v Speaker 1>to take away the guilt, just to engage in the

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 1>pure pleasure of eating those foods. It turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>my chocolate covered on and experiment was pretty on point.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, that's one part of intuitive eating, ditching diets

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and food rules along with them, trusting your body, actually

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.440
<v Speaker 1>enjoying your food instead of fearing it. And believe me,

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<v Speaker 1>I can get on board with all this, especially after

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<v Speaker 1>all we've learned about diets. But there's another part of

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<v Speaker 1>intuitive eating too. Maybe you remember this from our lesson earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Intuitive eating means eating without worrying about your weight. I

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<v Speaker 1>can appreciate the value of looking inwards and questioning why

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you eat the way you do. Are you enjoying it?

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Is it serving you? But applying that knowledge moving forward

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<v Speaker 1>as I live my life was harder than I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it would be. Like does that mean no checking nutrition

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<v Speaker 1>labels anymore? Or that you shouldn't choose foods just because

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>they sound like healthier choices. And at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, healthy eating is important. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>lose track of that. All this, by the way, turns

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<v Speaker 1>out to be something other people find challenging too, especially

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<v Speaker 1>letting go of the weight calculation. But at last, Rush,

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<v Speaker 1>the Intuitive Eating co founder, we spoke with earlier says

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<v Speaker 1>it's absolutely critical. That is a very difficult part of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And as long as you're thinking about losing weight and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to be able to start trusting your

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<v Speaker 1>own body. In other words, diets and food rules make

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of background noise, and as long as they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, you can't listen to what your body is

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<v Speaker 1>really saying. Here's Sammy again, the entire your purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>it is to bring back trust and connection with your body,

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<v Speaker 1>so to quiet the external noise and rules of diet

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>culture and to be able to turn inward and trust

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:18.560
<v Speaker 1>your body's cues. But there are limits to turning inward.

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<v Speaker 1>As I took intuitive eating classes and experimented with not

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<v Speaker 1>feeling guilty about eating chocolate covered almonds, I kept coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to this one thought. Does such an idealistic way

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:38.319
<v Speaker 1>of thinking and eating work in the real world. Like

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Sammy just said, intuitive eating means tuning out all of

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<v Speaker 1>the pressures and messages of the world and just listening

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<v Speaker 1>to your body. Is that even possible? The world that

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<v Speaker 1>we live in is full of pressure to eat better

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and look thinner, But our world is also set up

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that it's often hard to do these things,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when money, time, and other resources are limited. We

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>live and work in places where it's hard to access

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 1>nutrient dense foods and easy to access the opposite, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to drive but hard to walk, where long

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<v Speaker 1>hours at the office and other obligations like taking care

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of your kids mean that healthy meals and exercise don't

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 1>always fit into a day. We can try to quiet

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the external noise and rules of diet culture and listen

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 1>to our bodies, but there is plenty of other noise

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 1>out there already guiding how we eat and live. In

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<v Speaker 1>this way, intuitive eating seems a lot like dieting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The goals of intuitive eating are different from a diet, obviously,

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 1>but its way of getting to that goal is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the same. Both tell us that it's on us

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve whatever we want, while we'll sort of ignoring

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the realities of life. Both insist on individual change in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of societal barriers. I don't know if we

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<v Speaker 1>can do that, and I'm skeptical that our bodies naturally

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 1>know how to be healthy. I don't think that the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest problem here is that we just haven't been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to what our bodies are telling us. I wondered whether

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<v Speaker 1>anyone had tried to answer that question. That brought me

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<v Speaker 1>to Jatta Banasi, a researcher at Columbia. Jatta recently did

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>an analysis with colleagues that looked at whether intuitive eating

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<v Speaker 1>is actually linked with health benefits. Remember, lots of studies

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>usually focus on weight loss. They didn't do that. Instead,

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 1>they were looking specifically at measures like blood pressure and

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>regulation of blood sugar, but not a lot of studies

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>had actually measured this, only about ten. There were some

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>signs that intuitive eating could improve these kinds of health

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>outcomes more than say, dieting, but that wasn't always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>To say these interventions are really what we're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>to promote the parameters is still difficult to to say

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 1>it's not possible at the current time. Seven of the

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<v Speaker 1>ten studies they looked at found that intuitive eating was

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:02.680
<v Speaker 1>more effective than a control group dieting in improving cardio

0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>metabolic outcomes like glucose regulation, lipid profile, inflammatory markers, and

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>blood pressure, but the results on those measures weren't consistent

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>across studies. Like with glucose regulation, two studies found intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating helped that more than the control group, while four

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 1>found no relative effect. So it's unclear weather intuitive eating

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>leads to better physical health, but the results were way

0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 1>more clear when it comes to mental health. This kind

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 1>of intervention can be used to promote a better relationship

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 1>with food and body. Intuitive eating can help us feel

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>better about eating and our bodies, but when it comes

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>to our health, even though we have some promising signs,

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the science is very mixed. We just can't say right

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 1>now that intuitive eating makes us physically healthier. The relationship

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:14.800
<v Speaker 1>between the two is still to be determined. So keeping

0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 1>that in mind, what's the value of intuitive eating if

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make you physically healthier, If it actually makes

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 1>you physically unhealthier but you're in a better place mentally.

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer to that, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to have confidence in a system that can

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 1>only do so much for you. Feeling better about yourself

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:44.720
<v Speaker 1>is good, don't get me wrong, but it can only

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 1>go so far, especially if physically you're not feeling all

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.439
<v Speaker 1>that good. There are things that we have to do

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>for our health that aren't always gonna be something we

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:03.360
<v Speaker 1>want to do, and maybe harsh rules about what's good

0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:07.399
<v Speaker 1>and what's bad have screwed us up, but I think

0:49:07.440 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people do need that, to be told to eat

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:15.319
<v Speaker 1>your broccoli or get enough protein in your diet. Every

0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 1>day diets have definitely taken it way too far, but

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:27.840
<v Speaker 1>rules aren't always bad. People come to dieting to improve

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:33.240
<v Speaker 1>their health. Intuitive eating pitches itself as a better way forward,

0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>except we don't actually know that. People also come to

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 1>dieting to change the way they look. Intuitive eating makes

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it pretty clear they can't do that for you. Changing

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>how you look isn't the point. But even in this world,

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the same beauty ideals are perpetuated. I saw that as

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I researched this episode, a lot of the prominent intuitive

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>eating personalities look a certain way thin, white, blonde. Are

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 1>people just following them because they want to look like them,

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.960
<v Speaker 1>because they hope intuitive eating will get them that body.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of it is still about that elusive hope

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<v Speaker 1>of losing weight at the end of the day, being

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>white and thin cells. This is Delina Sodo, a registered

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<v Speaker 1>dietitian who's Dominican and lives in Philadelphia. Delina has brown,

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>curly hair and a big, expressive smile. She's also thin

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>herself and so when we see these big accounts, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, I think that people are gravitated

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 1>to them more because they fit that mold of what

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the beauty standards that we have created are. She also

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 1>sees this as a problem, although there's a lot of

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 1>us trying to push back on that narrative, because again,

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:09.000
<v Speaker 1>intuitivating isn't eat like me, look like me, right, it's

0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:12.840
<v Speaker 1>allowing yourself to um kind of like make peace with

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<v Speaker 1>your body and fight that weight neutrality. Except weight neutrality

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the norm today. There are all these really widely

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<v Speaker 1>held societal beliefs that being thinner is not only healthier

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<v Speaker 1>but better. Weighing more can sometimes even feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>is a moral judgment attached to it. The list of

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<v Speaker 1>people who are still very focused on the scale includes doctors,

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<v Speaker 1>family members, friends, co workers, and classmates. Intuitive eating says,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just supposed to choose a different path and have

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<v Speaker 1>different beliefs. But how do you do that throughout everything

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<v Speaker 1>you've thought you knew and start all over again? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the real question is what exactly are we trying to

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<v Speaker 1>accomplish here? Anyway, Dieting is trying to get people healthier

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<v Speaker 1>by making their bodies smaller, and by this point we

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<v Speaker 1>know that you can't really use dieting to make people's

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<v Speaker 1>bodies smaller. Intuitive eating isn't trying to do that. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about making people feel better about their bodies and

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<v Speaker 1>how they eat, and it's based on the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be skinny to be healthy. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, intuitive eating isn't necessarily going to

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<v Speaker 1>lead to better health, and even if you feel better

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<v Speaker 1>about eating in your body, you still have to live

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<v Speaker 1>in a world where thinner is treated as better. In

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<v Speaker 1>that sense, intuitive eating only solves part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You can try to change the way you think about

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff, but you can't change how everyone thinks

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So you can certainly try, and that'll make

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<v Speaker 1>it harder for you too to stay the course. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me be clear, people have really messed up attitudes about

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<v Speaker 1>food and people in bigger bodies. We can and should

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<v Speaker 1>try to change that. But if it's just one person

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<v Speaker 1>at a time, will it work. Maybe at some level

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<v Speaker 1>these problems are unsolvable anyway. There's a reason people have

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<v Speaker 1>turned to dieting for hundreds of years. It has this

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<v Speaker 1>irresistible pull. We're drawn to the idea that everything in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives will be better, or if we just lost

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<v Speaker 1>that stubborn weight, that getting skinnier will stop us from

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<v Speaker 1>developing terrible sounding diseases or dying early. We want that

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<v Speaker 1>for ourselves and the people we love. We all want

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<v Speaker 1>to believe it's within our reach, but we can't actually

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee any of it, that we won't develop terrible sounding

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<v Speaker 1>diseases or die early or anything else. And we can't

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee weight loss either, even if we do all the

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<v Speaker 1>right things. It would be great to send you away

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<v Speaker 1>with this utopian new approach to eating that will solve

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<v Speaker 1>all of our problems. But I'm not going to do

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<v Speaker 1>that because giving you a simple answer to complex questions

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what diets have done for countless years, and

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<v Speaker 1>the answer isn't eating. And even though intuitive eating brings

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<v Speaker 1>some valuable new ideas to the table, probably not intuitive

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<v Speaker 1>eating either. I hope instead that you'll walk away thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about change, how we can make it easier to be healthier,

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<v Speaker 1>but also how we can be more inclusive and let

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<v Speaker 1>people make their own decisions that freedom intuitive eating tries

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<v Speaker 1>to bring to the process of eating. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>could all benefit from that in ways that go far

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<v Speaker 1>beyond our dinner plates. Losing It is written and reported

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