1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: The President who caused the chaos of the border needed 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: to be here. It just so happens. He's two years 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: and about billion dollars too late. They made a lot 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: of resources. We're gonna cutting for Bloomberg Sound on Politics, 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: policy and perspective from DC's tough name. That was easy, huh. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: I never thought we'd get a liberty over limitation, maturity 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: over Mara Lago, normal fee, open negativity. Bloomberg Sound On 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden heads south 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: of the border, but will it help solve the immigration crisis. 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as the Three 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: Amigos Summit kicks off in Mexico City, a day after 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: President Biden's tripp to the border where Texas Governor Greg 14 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Abbott gave him things to think about. We will talk 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: about them and the potential opportunities at hand this week 16 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: with an expert. Leon Fresco joins US former Deputy Assistant 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Attorney General for the Office of Immigration Litigation at the 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Justice Department. Kevin McCarthy finally gets the gavel, but he 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: faces his first big test as speaker. Tonight, we'll have 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: the latest from Capitol Hill, with insights from strategist Doug High, 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: former communications director at the r n C, and from 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: our signature panel. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeannie 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: Chanzano are with us for the hour. Joe Biden becomes 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: the first American president to visit Mexico in nine years. 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: There is sound of his arrival at Philippe A. Angelis 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: International Airport, and it self a controversy as it turns out, 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: as the airport was a pet project of President Lopez overdor, 28 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: more than an hour's drive north of the city, very 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: expensive recently didn't even have running water. But the two 30 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: leaders to ride together on the beast back into town. 31 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Everyone happy. Nothing to see here, of course, they have 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: some very controversial issues to deal with despite the visible camaraderie. 33 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Starting today with the two leaders, and then it will 34 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: extend it tomorrow. They will add Canadian Prime Minister Justin 35 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 1: Trudeau for the North American Leaders Summit, known unfortunately as 36 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: the Three Amigos Summit. Where Steve Martin when you need him. 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: White House National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan laid out the 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: agenda for reporters today in Mexico City today with the 39 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: President Lopez overdoor, President Biden is looking to dive deep 40 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: on a set of issues that are priorities for his administration, 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: including continued close coordination on migration questions and the trip 42 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: south for the President follows his visit to the US 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: southern border. He went to El Paso on Sunday, where 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Texas Governor Greg Abbott was waiting at the airport uh 45 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: a hand delivered letter demanding the President stop illegal immigration. 46 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: He gave him five pointers on how to do that 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: and spoke with reporters on the airport's tarmac. Here he is, 48 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: I said, you have you, Mr President. You have a 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: job to do, and that is to enforce the immigration 50 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: laws already on the books and online, five ways, and 51 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: that letter of what he can do right now without 52 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: any new law having to be passed. Letter opens with 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: the line, your visit, dear Mr President, Your visit to 54 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: our southern border with Mexico today is twenty billion dollars 55 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: too little and two years too late. As I mentioned, 56 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: it offers five bullet points on how to stop illegal 57 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: immigration the llegal border crossings. Now. Governor Abbott repeating that 58 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: phrase or here heard him say this, it's about enforcing 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: the laws already on the books. Here he is again, 60 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: this is nothing but for show unless it begins to 61 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: enforce the immigrasstion laws already that exists in the United 62 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: States of America that are contained in the letter that 63 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: are provided to the President of So this is my 64 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: first question for Leon Fresco. I wanted to get to 65 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: a real expert here when it comes to immigration policy. 66 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Immigration law is a partner at Holland and Night, former 67 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Immigration Litigation 68 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: at the d j's Civil Division. Leon, thank you for 69 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: being here. Would it make a meaningful difference? Is that 70 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: actually a fair way to put this from the Governor 71 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: of Texas and I realized they are political opponents, But 72 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: is it a matter of enforcing the laws already on 73 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the books as opposed to embarking on comprehensive immigration reform. Well, 74 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: the issue is that people have different definitions of what 75 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: it means to enforce the laws already on the book. 76 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: If what it means is to indiscriminately look for people 77 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: all across the United States and the board them regard 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: without regard to any sort of prosecutorial discretion for how 79 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: long they've been here, how many US it is in 80 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: children they have, whether they're criminals, or whether they have 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: they probided by all of the criminal laws here in 82 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: the United States. Then that's the routes that a lot 83 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: of people, including the governor of Texas take, And that's 84 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily a route that has to do with what 85 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, and that's what was in his letter, and 86 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: that's a different route than what has to do with 87 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: the actual immigration laws of the United States. Same thing 88 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: with Title forty two, which is a CDC COVID related measure, 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: but it's a disease related measures that's also part of 90 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: the normal traditional American immigration laws. And so those things 91 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: that are cited are sort of these more aggressive political 92 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: talking points, but really don't go to the heart of 93 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: the asylum crisis. That's what's happening at the border right now. 94 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 1: Was it important for the President to stop by the border, 95 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: to go to El Paso on his way to the summit. 96 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: I think it's always good to see on the ground 97 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: what's going on at the border. I think it's good 98 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: to take away a political talking point, and I think 99 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: what was announced is something that has shown to work, 100 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: and if it's implemented properly, and here's the key of 101 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Mexico really allows you to robustly remove people who are 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: coming into the United States without any sort of ability 103 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: to actually claim asylum, then that's gonna work. People will 104 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: take the legal pathways that the Biden administration is now operating, 105 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: and they don't want to take the illegal pathways, but 106 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: they take them because there isn't a legal pathway to 107 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: do it in And so it will also be interesting 108 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: to see whether the State of Texas suze the President 109 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: for actually offering these legal pathways the people from Cuba Haiti. 110 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: So you're talking about this UH, this new policy that 111 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: the President rolled out, proposed policy UH that indeed would 112 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: would would tighten immigration enforcement by blocking Cuban, Haitian and 113 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: Nicaraguan migrants at the border. It got very little coverage 114 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: last weekly on because of all the madness in Washington 115 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: and the drama in the House with Kevin mc are 116 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: se UH and going through these many votes to become speaker. 117 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: But it's starting to pop up now and there's been 118 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: a lot more attention paid to it. How much of 119 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: a difference it sounds like you're in favor of it 120 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: with this policy change. Make it will depend on scalability 121 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: if it's allowed to be scaled robustly, so that Mexico 122 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: actually because the biggest problem is right now Mexico to 123 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: not except people we are trying to deport who are 124 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: not from Mexico or Central America. And so that's why 125 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: we have the problem we have with Cubans and with 126 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: Haitians and even Nicarago, which is considered too far acut 127 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: it's not in the Northern triangle. And so if Mexico 128 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: allows us to deport people who try to sneak in 129 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: between the ports of injury, enix sane forgiving people a 130 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: legal pathway, and we have a robust enough legal pathway 131 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: that people won't choose to sneak across the the the 132 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: the ports of juries, you will see a dramatic reduction 133 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: in the number of people sneaking across. And the best 134 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: evidence of that is when the Ukraine Russia war broke out, 135 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: we saw thousands of Ukrainians on the southern border, and 136 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: when we told them, look, it's not gonna work to 137 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: go to this other border. Here's a program for you 138 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: to use every Ukrainian used the program and stop going 139 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: to the southern border. Well, yeah, of course, it's a 140 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: little bit difficult to compare the two, right, But in 141 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: terms of of of this moving the needle at the 142 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: summit here the talks today with lo Press over door. 143 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Of course, we're gonna need the cooperation of the Mexican 144 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: government to make this work. Uh, and Justin Trudeau added 145 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: to the conversation tomorrow. It's really the meeting today though, 146 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: isn't it, with these two leaders that could make a difference. Absolutely, 147 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna come down to what President Biden has in 148 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: terms of carrots and sticks to convince Mexico to have 149 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: a robot acceptance of people who are coming across in 150 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: between our ports of entry illegally. President Trump when he 151 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: had this, he said, I'm gonna make tire us on 152 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: cars if you don't accept people, and Mexico ultimately accepted people. 153 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if Biden is willing to tie those 154 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: two issues together, but he will also need to think 155 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: creatively to convince Mexico to do the sixth part of 156 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: this process and show people, hey, look we're gonna do 157 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: a robust carrots part of the process. That will allow 158 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: people not to just be waiting in Mexico for days 159 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: and days and days. Well, you talk about carrots and 160 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: stick comes as comes down the money, doesn't it. We 161 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: need to give them the money to make that possible. Well, 162 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: we need the money to make it possible for the 163 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: group of people that are going to be on the 164 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: northern border of Mexico the southern border of the United 165 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: States who are going to be turned back, and then 166 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: who will need to be addressed. That's part of it, certainly, 167 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But to be fair, the Trump 168 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: administration really didn't give a lot of funding to Mexico 169 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: to implement that either, and they still nevertheless implemented it 170 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: because they didn't want the burden of automobile. So the 171 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: point is, there's ways to think about this creative. But 172 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: in any case, what is to what I think a 173 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: superior to the Trump approach is that it won't just 174 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: be all sick. There will be carrots to this approach too, 175 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: and I think that is important in keeping with our 176 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: humanitary obligations. Title forty two is going to be lifted 177 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: at some point. Uh. Look, this is obviously up to 178 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: the court now, and we'll see what happens with that 179 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: leon is the administration ready, well, it sounds like what 180 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna do to replace Title forty two is to 181 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: issue the kind of travel band order that President Trump 182 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: issued when he was president that says, if you come 183 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: in between the ports of entry, you are going to 184 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: be banned from ever asking for a pile of in 185 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: the United States. Now, you can get a different kind 186 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: of release called withholding of removal that just temporarily stops 187 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: your deportations. But you can't get a sylum which will 188 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: give you a passive citizenship and which will allow you 189 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: to bring in your family members that will be banned. 190 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: You will have to go through a legal process, either 191 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: at the ports of entry or through this parole process 192 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: to enter. And that's what they're gonna be replacing Title 193 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: forty two with and hoping that that's a sufficient deterrence 194 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: to stop people from crossing in between the ports of entry. 195 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: We we certainly do assume a lot, though, don't we, 196 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: that everyone's got the latest updates on this stuff. I mean, 197 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about desperate people crossing deserts on foot for 198 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: crying out loud. Where do they care? Necessarily is the 199 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: latest one immigration policy. I mean, I would say, I 200 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: would say that there's gradations of this certain not everybody's 201 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: listening to the top news outlets of the day getting 202 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: every single update. Having said that, the people assisting a 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: lot of the people to come across the border are 204 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: generally aware of the laws, and they become the layer. 205 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: As the border patrol tells the people, Hey, you're gonna 206 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: have to use this other way, you can't use this way. 207 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: That word does get out over time, and people do 208 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: start to use processes that are easier and that are 209 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: observedably easier than more difficult processes that people will know, Hey, 210 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: use this port or go through this area. Those words 211 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: do get out, It's just that they don't maybe get 212 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: poculated infantaneously. It's great to have you back, Lee, and 213 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: appreciate your expertise. Lee on Fresco at Holland and Knight, 214 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: who spent time as Deputy Assistant Attorney General at the 215 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: Office of Immigration Litigation at the Department of Justice is 216 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: Civil Division. He has been around this for a long 217 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: time and really understands the in and outs. UH in 218 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: a good opportunity to assemble our panel. Let's just get 219 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: into it here. With Jennie Chanzano and Rick Davis Bloomberg 220 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: Politics contributors. Really, you know, getting back to where I 221 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: started here with Leon Fresco. Rick. Governor Abbott to President Biden, 222 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: you have violated your constitutional obligation to defend the States 223 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: against invasion through faithful execution of federal laws. Is he 224 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: right or wrong? Well, I mean too little, too late, 225 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: is right. Uh. This is an administration who knew when 226 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: they were coming in that they had a crisis on 227 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: the border. They spent a year claiming there was no 228 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: crisis when the crisis was apparent. Now they're trying to 229 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: deal with the crisis in Uh. It's you know, arguable 230 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: as to whether or not the solutions that are being 231 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,599 Speaker 1: promoted by the Biden administration today are going to have 232 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: any impact on it. Genie, this is a tough spot 233 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, obviously, it's uh, you know, it's an 234 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to look presidential, but to be knocked in the 235 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: teeth like that when you're getting off the airplane in 236 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: El Paso. And for Governor Abbott, I don't know if 237 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: you actually saw the optics of this. President Biden gets 238 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: into the beast, he gets into the motorcade and they're 239 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: rolling out while Governor Abbott is addressing the media with 240 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: with the president behind him, leveling criticism on that level, 241 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: and it was pretty heated. Does he come out of 242 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: this trip to El Paso looking weakened by going You know, 243 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: I don't think so. You know, he has been criticized 244 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: for a long time for not making a trip to 245 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: the border, yet this is his first trip, and um, 246 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, the White House has said, you know, us 247 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: going down there is not going to change anything, but 248 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: they they sent him down there. I think that Leon 249 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: was right when he said he they sort of removed 250 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: that talking point. But the reality is this is an 251 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: issue that has disrupted and vexed Washington presidents going back decades, 252 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: long before Joe Biden, and it will continue to He 253 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: is now for the very policy you just talked about, 254 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: this expansion of Title forty two, being criticized by many 255 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: people who are immigrant rights activists, who are saying, you 256 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: have just upended years of requests at asylums which we 257 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: allow in this country. You are now upending that. So 258 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: in my mind, it's very similar to the kind of 259 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: criticism Barack Obama was facing when he finally decided to 260 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: take executive action on the Dreamers, and I think it's 261 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: gonna vex Joe Biden in the same way it's vexed presidents. 262 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Going back to George Bush, if not before, was it 263 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: smart of him to go or at least check the 264 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: box they I've been to the border Rick absolutely. I mean, 265 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, if he is intending to run for office again, 266 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: and he is um vulnerable on this issue of immigration, 267 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: both from the human right side but also from the 268 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: security side. Uh, he's kind of made everybody unhappy with 269 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: the current plan. Uh than going there and embracing it 270 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: and dealing with it. It's not gonna go away. It's 271 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: going to be a political issue next year for him, 272 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: and he's got to have a plan to fix it. 273 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: And hopefully his fix will work for him politically, because 274 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: otherwise it will dog him throughout the campaign season. Yeah. Sure. 275 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: Greg Abbott says he's simply not enforcing the laws on 276 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: the book's genie, and that is a very popular belief 277 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: around the country Politically, it's pretty difficult to get around that. 278 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: Is there not some truth to it? Well, you know, 279 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden would tell you his first day in office, 280 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: he put forward a plan, a plan to deal with immigration, 281 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: and the reality of the way our system works is 282 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: that a president cannot unilaterally handle this issue. It's got 283 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: to be done via congressional action. So he really needs 284 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: to keep asking Congress what they are doing. We see 285 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: a bipartisan group led by Kristen Cinema down there, you know, 286 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: trying to address us. We saw them try to put 287 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: it forward during the lame duck. I am not optimistic 288 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: something is going to happen, but the reality is if 289 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: a president does act on this like Barack Obama did 290 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: on the dreamers, they are then going to be leveled 291 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: with charges they should be impeached for exceeding their authority. 292 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: And that is exactly what would happen to Joe Biden 293 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: as well. So it's you know, I wish there was 294 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: a simple solution, like Greg Abbott is talking about, there 295 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: is no simple solution to this. Two very important things 296 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: that that Jeannie just mentioned here we're going to talk 297 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: about next. One is the move in Congress to solve 298 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: this problem. Is that even possible in this world? And 299 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: does it need to be a comprehensive bill. Maybe there's 300 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: some ways to chew around this Rick has lived that 301 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to us about it. But also a 302 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: bipartisan group of senators headed for the border just on 303 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: the heels of Joe Biden's trip. That's next. This is Bloomberg. 304 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. So long with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg 305 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: Radio of Joe Atthew and Washington. Glad you joined us 306 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: here on Bloomberg's sound. On the letter that Governor Abbott wrote, 307 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: typed out somebody did he handed it to President Biden 308 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: on the tarmac. It's pretty tough the way this is 309 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: written here written so I of course would read it 310 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: and others on the air, but it's very specific. Five 311 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: bullet points on how to manage illegal immigration now, and 312 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: the first one says you must comply with the many 313 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: statutes mandating that various categories of aliens shall be detained 314 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: and end the practice of unlawfully parolling aliens on mass 315 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: stop sandbagging, implementation of Remain in Mexico entitled forty two. 316 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: That's another. Aggressively prosecute illegal entry between ports of entry. 317 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: It says, immediately resumed construction of the border wall and 318 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: then finally designate the Mexican Drug cartel's foreign terrorist organizations. 319 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: None of these would require comprehensive immigration reform. Right, let's 320 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel. Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano here Bloomberg 321 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: Politics contributors. We heard from the President last week. I 322 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: mentioned this when we were talking a couple of minutes ago. 323 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: It didn't make a lot of news because, well, everybody 324 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: was talking about Kevin McCarthy. But here's Joe Biden at 325 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: the White House turning to Congress on this issue as 326 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: he unveiled his new immigration policy proposals. That work will 327 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: not be done in a lesson until the Congress and 328 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: accent funds a more comprehensive immigration plan that I proposed 329 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: on day one. Until Congress has acted, I can act 330 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: where I have legal capacity to do so. And so 331 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: he's doing what he can here, tweaking around the edges, 332 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: as we discussed earlier. Uh, Genie, you know, it's a 333 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: pretty interesting and very important point here, as we just 334 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: came through this exercise last week where it took fifteen 335 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: rounds to figure out who the Speaker of the House 336 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: is going to be, How the heck is anything involving 337 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: immigration going to get through this Congress? Is certainly on 338 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: a comprehensive level. Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to imagine 339 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: at this point. You know, right off the bat, you 340 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: start with Democrats who's focused will be on the Dreamers, 341 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: and that's what they'll want to start. And then you 342 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: have Republicans who want to focus on border security first 343 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: and then maybe address the Dreamers and issues of legal 344 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: and illegal immigration. And so getting those two groups together, 345 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: particularly in the House, is going to be really tough. 346 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: But this is all gonna be muddied and toxic, if 347 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: you will, because of the investigations that the Republicans are 348 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: promising against a majorchists and and the Homeland Security and 349 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: their activities at the border. So that's gonna make it 350 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: much harder to get together. And you know, this bipartisan 351 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: group of senators we mentioned, including Chris Coons, who's a 352 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: confidant of the president. That's a good start, except that 353 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: you know, that can't just be a little group in 354 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: the Senate. It's got to be the entire Senate, the 355 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: entire House to get a bill together. And that's where 356 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: the ReBs gonna be. So look at these names, Kirsten Cinema, 357 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: John Corn and there these are the two lead years. Right, 358 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: they're going to travel with UH, Tom Tillis, Mark Kelly, 359 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: James Langford, Chris Coons, Jerry Moran, Chris Murphy's pretty level 360 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: headed bunch. Right, this is the this is the group 361 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: of moderates. I guess, Rick, how do they? How do 362 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: they crack this Congress? Though? How do you do it? Now? 363 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: You know? I think that the prospects to get some 364 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: movement in the Senate seemed to be pretty obvious. This 365 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: is not a bad core group to go with. UM. 366 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: They can incorporate enough components of the original bill that 367 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: they were trying to produce last year, which really just 368 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: addresses the immigrant issue, right. It doesn't get into some 369 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: of the extraneous issues of dreamers and other things, but 370 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: it does deal with the crisis at the border. It's 371 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: really a border crisis bill. And and I think by 372 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: now there's probably a lot of support for some of 373 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: the measures. They actually overlap to some degree, uh, some 374 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: of what UM Governor Abbott has been talking about. So 375 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: in the Senate, I think there there is a prospect 376 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: for a legitimate conversation around UH, this kind of border 377 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: security bill. That being said, where you find the votes 378 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: in the House are going to be much more complex 379 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: because one of the signers of that bill that they 380 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: were working on last year with corn In and Cinema 381 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: is uh, Congressman Tony Gonzalez, who feels very left out 382 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: of the border visit by Biden because he's the only 383 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: congressman from the El Paso area who is a Republican 384 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: and also was left off of the visit. And so 385 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: here's the one guy in the House who signed onto 386 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: a border bill who actually has something to add to 387 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: the conversation and he's not allowed to, you know, be 388 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: part of the visit with the president. Not good and uh, 389 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: by the way, he could loom large in this rules 390 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: battle in the House tonight as well from what we hear, right, Uh, Jennie, 391 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: how about these five bullet points? Can't Joe Biden take 392 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: off a couple of these without uh, without moving his 393 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: immigration policy too far from where he is? Yeah, you know, 394 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: I think he can. You know, the reality is Title 395 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: forty two, as you mentioned, and in your conversation with 396 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: Leon probably goes away and then that is you know, 397 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: going to fall by the wayside. But but particularly naming 398 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: the Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, you know, 399 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: before Biden's visit this today, Um, we saw the arrest 400 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: of El Chapo's son, many of the media in Mexico 401 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: describing that as a gift to Biden. So I do 402 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: think there are ways, you know, points at which they 403 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: can come together on these you know this at least 404 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: some of the things on this bulleted list. But you know, 405 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: and I thought that maybe the Biden administration should turn 406 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: around and avite Greg Abbott to a conference, a you know, 407 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: a meeting in in d C. At the White House 408 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: and get together and talk publicly about what they want 409 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: to do. But the reality is is that politically works 410 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: for Republicans to complain about Biden on this issue, and 411 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: so the political incentive to work together for a resolution 412 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: at this point is simply not there. Let's not forget 413 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: this is how Abbott, this is how De Santis and 414 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: many other Republican governors, not to mention, people in Congress 415 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: are hitting the Biden administration and you know, shoring up 416 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: their runs for president in twenty four Rick, you live 417 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: this with Senator John McCain. Is the word comprehensive the 418 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: problem here or is it the only path? Well, it 419 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: is a problem because it's been demonized so much that, um, 420 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say that and not see people 421 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: flee the halls of Congress. UM. That being said, it's 422 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: it was the strategy at the time that the only 423 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: way you're going to get uh any support for all 424 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: of these measures individually, because no one of them could 425 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: pass UH, certainly not in the Senate, is to bundle 426 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: them so that so that everybody feels like they have 427 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: some skin in the game. In order to get my 428 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: border security bill pass, I've got to have uh, somebody 429 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: in there who's not going to vote for me for that, 430 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: but would be willing to vote for the dreamers. And 431 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: and and then you know, I guess worker bill, Well, 432 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: you know that's gonna bring in a lot of the 433 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Chamber of Commerce Republicans. If we could get a guess 434 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: worker bill, maybe we could sign on to some of 435 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: these others. And and that was the whole construct, is 436 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: to piece it together so that the common interest had 437 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: enough of what they wanted to be able to be 438 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: with going to support other people's measures and actually do 439 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: something that can fulfill the need to to solve the crisis. 440 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we still have twenty million undocumented workers running 441 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: around the United States that need to be dealt with. 442 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: That used to be the biggest issue. You don't hear 443 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: that about anything about that at all now, Isn't that right? Uh, Jeanie, 444 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Does Joe Biden have 445 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,239 Speaker 1: the word comprehensive in his vocabulary? Here? Are we going 446 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: to see these more targeted attempts to to prevent a 447 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: crisis more more imminently? Yeah, I think at this point 448 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: he's going to stay more targeted because, of course he 449 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: simply doesn't have the power at this point to expand 450 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: he could certainly in his State of the Union. I'm 451 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: curious as he does he talk about something comprehensive, but 452 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: they're going to have to find a new word to 453 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: describe that because, of course, as Rick mentioned, it has 454 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: been demonized over time and has not been successful. So 455 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: but you know, he does need to talk about this 456 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: in his State of the Union this year, and he 457 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: needs to reintroduce his package, even though it has little 458 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: hope for getting through Congress at this point. You mentioned 459 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: the investigations. Jeannie listened to alejand majorcas the Secretary of 460 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: course Homeland, who is being threatened not only with investigations, 461 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: but impeachment by this new Republican leadership in the House. 462 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: He was on ABC this week and he was asked, 463 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: are you ready for this? I am, I will be, 464 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: and I'll continue to do my work throughout them. Okay, 465 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: what's that going to mean for this conversation? It's going 466 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: to feel differently when he's sitting in front of Jim 467 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: Jordan and company. Rick, Well, sure he's gonna lawyer up right. 468 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean all of a sudden, If he's going to 469 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: have that kind of scrutiny and and and challenged by Congress, 470 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: the Republican majority in the House, then does that kill 471 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: any chances of talks though on immigration reform? No, I 472 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: I those things certainly can happen over top of this issue. 473 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: But as far as his ability to communicate with House members, 474 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: especially committee chairs like Jim Jordan, who are going to 475 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: be basically prosecuting him according to what they're claiming, Um, 476 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: it's not going to be a very fruitful exchange. He'll 477 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: do his job. He has to buy virtue of his 478 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: appointment by President Biden. But the reality is it, it's 479 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: not really the approach you would take if you're actually 480 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: trying to solve a problem. Does that color the negotiations 481 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: here as far as Joe Biden's concerning you know, I 482 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: think it does. It can't help it. I think it 483 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: was James Comer who said they're going to give ma 484 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: Yorkis his own parking pass at Congress. He's gonna be 485 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: up there testifying so much. I mean, you know, that's 486 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about. And you know, whether it's 487 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, Biden's are professional, he knows how these things 488 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: are done. But I think it can't help but make 489 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: the environment up there toxic. Democrats are going to be 490 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: thinking these guys are not serious about a solution if 491 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: all of their focus is on impeachment of Alejandra ma 492 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Yorkist for what's going on at the border. Wow, Well, 493 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: we've got a lot to consider here, and we're gonna 494 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: be talking about this more tomorrow. Of course, the summit 495 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: itself is tomorrow. They're going to have major news conference 496 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: as well. Is that a trilateral I we'll get details 497 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: on that for you because it's gonna be near showtime 498 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: tomorrow as well. Uh, coming up the big test here 499 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: in the House for Yes speaker say it out loud, 500 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. Boy, that didn't come easily. We'll go through 501 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of that. Late Friday night almost came 502 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: to blows on the House floor. And what might happen tonight. 503 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a pretty important check on exactly what 504 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy has made for himself. This is Bloomberg Son 505 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Kevin McCarthy is 506 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: now Speaker of the House. It took fifteen rounds. You 507 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: got there early Saturday morning, in the wee hours after 508 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: a week of deal making. Here he is from the 509 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: speaker's roster. That was easy, huh. I never thought we'd 510 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: get up here. Thank you, Minority Leader Jeffries. How came? 511 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: I've got to warn you two years ago I got 512 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: of the vote from my conference. I thought that was 513 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: pretty good. And indeed Hakim Jefferies handed the gavel to 514 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: him in the formal act and he's speaker today. It 515 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: was not easy. In fact, we lived through some of 516 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: the more difficult moments with Doug High, who we had 517 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: to talk with today, Republican strategist, former deputy chief of 518 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: staff to Eric Canter. He knows what goes on in 519 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: that office former r n C communications director. He got 520 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: it done here. Dougs almost lead to blows at one 521 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: point between Mike Rodgers and and Matt Gates. How in 522 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: the world does he step into this rules debate tonight 523 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: and get anything done. Well, first, you've got to get 524 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: the rules package agreed to. And if it's not agreed to, Joe, 525 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: we could find ourselves in a situation where we have 526 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: to have multiple balance on changing the rules so that 527 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: we can get to you know, ultimately two eighteen votes. Um. 528 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: I suppose some people could vote present on this as well, 529 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: but um that this is the challenge is to get 530 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: there and once that's done, we'll have the framework for 531 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: how VLICE representatives will operate for the next two years. 532 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: We currently don't have that, and it's delayed because of 533 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: obviously what happened last week. Um, and it looks like 534 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: members are getting there. You know, this is an opportunity, 535 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: it's sort of a last opportunity for members to make 536 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: a huff and do to raise a point, but ultimately, overwhelmingly, 537 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: as they did with Kevin from the first vote to 538 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: the last one, overwhelmingly Republicans will support it. It's just 539 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: a question, right now whether or not it gets the 540 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: two eighteen or a majority on the floor. Well, they're 541 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: back in session now. The big test we've been talking 542 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: about is, indeed, this rules package that includes a lot 543 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: of the dealmaking from last week when Kevin McCarthy was 544 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: trying to get the votes, they will not all be 545 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: popular with moderate Republicans. Doug, will that be a problem tonight? 546 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't think tonight it should be a problem. But 547 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: there's a challenge for the party moving forward, and part 548 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: of it is you have a slim majority. The other part, 549 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: but one of the things that Kevin talked about very 550 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: early on was getting rid of UM, the votes that 551 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: are done by proxy. And you know, when it was 552 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: first brought up by Democrats, it made sense, I think 553 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: UM not to every Republican, but certainly made sense to 554 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: me in that we had very real health fears of 555 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: the room of four hundred and thirty five people all 556 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: being together. But as people got vaccinated and you know, 557 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: things like that, UM it really seemed to be a 558 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: crutch that people used to come up for reasons not 559 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: to be in the House Chamber and do other things. 560 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: They could be at fundraisers, they could be in their district, 561 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: but not necessarily doing official business. This actually gave Nancy 562 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: Pelosi leverage and power. It made a lot of the 563 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: things that she passed with a very small majority passable 564 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: because she just got all the proxy votes um for 565 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: for McCarthy. Not having that may prove a challenge, and 566 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: not just for McCarthy. This then be ums more of 567 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: a challenge for Steve Schools, the majority leader, Tom Emmer, 568 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: the majority whip to plan these votes out methodically and 569 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: to make sure that at the end of the week 570 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: everybody is there so that they have a majority. They 571 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: can't depend on proxy voting. Yeah, okay, Doug, have you 572 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: seen anything since the weekend? Will say, and I realized 573 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: that that that none of this is set in stone yet, 574 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: but any of the components of this rules package that 575 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: raised your eyebrow? That said, boy, you know what, that 576 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: must have been a late night when he agreed to that. No, 577 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: not really. You know, a lot has been made of 578 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: lowering the threshold um for a motion to vacant the 579 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: chair to one person. The reality is there's good and bad. 580 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: The reality is that's traditionally been the threshold. He's basically 581 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: returning it to what the standard has traditionally been. That's 582 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: not a problem. The problem is what we've seen over 583 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: the past uh ten twelve years is that Republicans are 584 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: a lot more willing to do things like that. This 585 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: is something that Mark Meadows claimed he didn't know what 586 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: he was doing, and I will say I defer to 587 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: Mark Meadows when he says he doesn't know what he's doing, 588 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: that he might know what he's talking about. But he 589 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: used this against John Bainner at least threatened to, and 590 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: that caused some real problems and the willingness um of 591 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: some members to go there. I don't think anybody will 592 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: go there quickly, but three months, six months down the line, 593 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: it's not that Kevin McCarthy will be handcuffed, but people 594 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: will be able to point the handcuffs on the wall. 595 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: Boy boy, this is gonna be something to see tonight. 596 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: We'd love to compare notes with you once we get 597 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: through it. Doug High, great to have you back, as always, 598 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, former r n C communications director. I'd like 599 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: to hear from the panel on this because we heard 600 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: from Chip Roy, Genie and Rick about the near fisticuffs 601 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: on the House floor that some suggest was alcohol field 602 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: early Saturday morning. Listen to Congressman Chip Roy talking about 603 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: this on Sunday morning. Some of the tensions you saw 604 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: on display when we saw some of the you know, 605 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: the interactions there between micro jers and decades. Uh, you know, 606 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: some of that is we need a little of that. 607 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: We need a little of this sort of breaking the 608 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: glass in order to get us to the table and 609 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: orders to fight for the American people and to change 610 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: the way this place is dysfunctional. That was on CNN. Rick, 611 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: is he right? People who are outraged where they saw 612 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: this photo. These guys had to hold Mike Rogers back. Yeah, 613 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure we want to be encouraging fisticuffs on 614 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: the floor of the House. Um. And as you know, 615 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: as you were just saying, I mean, this is definitely 616 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: a different environment than what we've seen in the past. 617 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: So we talk a lot about tradition and and and 618 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: and what the House rules have been in the past, 619 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: and how people conduct themselves on the floor. We're in 620 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: an uncharted territory when members regardless of what the costs 621 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: are or what the pressure is, um, you know, late 622 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: at night, you know, for the speaker's vote, Uh, but 623 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: for Mike Rodgers to go after another member, uh, and 624 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: there's no question that's what he was gonna do. UH 625 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: is pretty extraordinary. And I think the caucus needs to 626 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: do what they can, I mean like get back together again. 627 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean now that if they get through the rules 628 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: package tonight, I think they need a retreat somewhere where 629 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: they can go and do the little Kumbaya, because you know, 630 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: you don't need Republicans attacking republicans. I mean, you know, 631 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: where's the old adage that you know, we only ever 632 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: attack Democrats? And so it's uh, it's really it's really 633 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: not healthy. And I can't believe that anybody thinks that 634 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: that's something that's gonna be uh good for the country 635 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: and good for good legislation and good for the caucus 636 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: UH at large. Well, I'll tell you I don't know. 637 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's said that it might have been what the 638 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: founders intended. Jennie and I have to admit. Uh. The 639 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: Senate at Senate dot gov. You can find it for 640 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: yourself in the historical highlights section. We'll we'll tell you 641 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: all about the caning of Senator Charles Sumner. Is this 642 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: going to have an entry like that? Oh gosh, it 643 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: could you know. And it's not the first time on 644 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: the House floor. There was the time when the Wisconsin 645 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: Republicans ripped the hairpiece off of the guy from Mississippi, 646 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: the Democrat in the eighteen fifties. So it's it's gotten 647 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: there a few times. You know, we don't you know, 648 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: we sort of think it's unusual, and it is unusual, 649 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: but it's not unprecedented when you know, people's lives are 650 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: at stake and and they really believe very strongly, and 651 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: they're tired, and they've been there and they want to 652 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: go home and do the business of the people. So 653 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: you know it, but it, boy, was it something to see. 654 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: It kept me up late on Saturday night. It was 655 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: absurd Reality TV. You both think this rule's package passes tonight, right, Jeanie. 656 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: I think it does, but I'm curious to see what 657 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: the secret components are. Okay, Rick, does it pass tonight? Yeah, 658 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll pass tonight in some shape or form. 659 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: Do you have it from our signature panel? With some 660 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: final thoughts coming up next on the Fastest Hour in Politics? 661 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: How does it go by? I'm Joe Matthew. This is 662 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: Bloomberg This is Bloomberg So Long with Joe Matthew on 663 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio work from the White House late today, the 664 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: President and has spoken with Joe Biden. That is Brazilian 665 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: President Lula da Silva following the riot that broke out. 666 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: Did you see the video, my goodness, with the shades 667 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: of January six where something this happened in Brazil yesterday 668 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: the sound of breaking glass. Here they turned hoses inside 669 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: government buildings and ransacked Congress, the presidential Palace and the 670 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: top court in Brazilia in the hopes of triggering a 671 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: military intervention. Is are thousands and some of them are 672 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: still milling around. There are thousands of supporters of ex 673 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: President Jayira Bolsonaro, who has been hanging out in Florida 674 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: testing the leadership of Lula da Silva. This is fascinating 675 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: to think that he'll be at the White House soon. 676 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that he takes the opportunity and takes the invitation. 677 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan, the National Secure Already advisor, spoke briefly about 678 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: this with reporters today in Mexico City. We think Brazilian 679 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: democracy is resilient, strong, and will come through this. Quick 680 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: thoughts from the panel here, Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano, 681 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, the shades of January six we're haunting. 682 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: It was almost like they were imitating what happened here. Yes, 683 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: deja vu all over again. I mean, the weekend after 684 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: the second anniversary of January six, we're seeing these images. 685 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: It looked just like what we had been shocked by 686 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 1: when when the attack on the capital occurred two years earlier. 687 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: And you really wonder how much of this is a 688 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: contrived political message that the Basonaro Party and its uh 689 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: fervent supporters are trying to send, or whether this was 690 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: a legitimate attempt to overturn a duly elected government. I 691 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: guess we'll know later through investigations and reporting like we 692 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: did um with the January ex Committee. But I think 693 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: that this is a very disturbing thing, and we now 694 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: realize why it is so important to pursue the people 695 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: who attacked our capital and to um and to do 696 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: the investigation in January six committee did because it sets 697 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: the historical standard and puts it into context, and and 698 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: and and tries to keep these kinds of things from 699 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: happening in the future. Jennie, this is good politics for 700 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to bring him here, to bring little Da 701 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: Silva here to Washington. Right, these two gentlemen have something 702 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: pretty remarkable in common. They do. And it's not just 703 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: striking similarities between what happened in Brazil and what happened 704 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: here on January six, but between both Sonaro and Trump. 705 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: You know, a first term president from the right refuses 706 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: to concede, claiming fraud with no proof. He fled before 707 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: the inauguration of his successor, and of course that's why 708 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: he was called the Trump of the Tropics. And he's 709 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 1: sitting in Orlando, not they they are, And of course 710 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon is out there, you know, promoting what he 711 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: and and this group have done. So the similarities are 712 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 1: are really scary. They're very eerie, as Rick said, and 713 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know. I think Joe Biden will 714 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: certainly have Dissolva here and he will play on that. 715 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: He He has been hospitalized now, according to his wife, 716 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going to happen, but Bolsonaro 717 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: has been admitted to an Orlando hospital. In the meantime, 718 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: My goodness that the images of him milling around the 719 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: public supermarket is something that is hard for us to forget. 720 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,800 Speaker 1: Much like the images over the weekend. Rick and Genie 721 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: thank you, as always our signature panel here on Bloomberg 722 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: Sound on uh, does does Joe Biden bring him to 723 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: the White House? A S A P. Rick, Is that 724 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: something that happens? Well, I certainly think the offer has 725 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: to go out in the sense you're talking about President Lula. Yes, yeah, 726 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean we need to show other major 727 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,240 Speaker 1: democracies of the world that we're in um in sync 728 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: with the promoting democracy and the rule of law and 729 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: and so I think throwing any kind of aid they 730 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: can to President Lulu would be important. I can't imagine 731 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: a scenario where Lulu would want to leave the country 732 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: in this moment. So I think that it looks good 733 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: for us to say welcome aboard. But I think he's 734 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: got issues at home. He's gonna have to tend to 735 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: great conversation has always Rick and Genie, thank you. The 736 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: Rules Committee a vote or the Rules package vote, I 737 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: should say, taking place starting about half an hour from now, 738 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: they think in the U. S House we're gonna be 739 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: talking about this tomorrow in detail. On the fastest hour 740 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: in Politics Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg