1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you should Know from house Stuff 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Josh Clarkinner's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and um. Chuck thinks 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: we should include a warning on this one. I think 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: we probably should. This is gonna be pretty gruesome at times. Warning. Kids, 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: maybe ask your parents if you should play that. Parents, 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: maybe don't play this for your kids. Done, pretty good warning. 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: And this is history, you know, it's pretty it's pretty 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: uh gruesome history though. Yeah. So the Middle Ages are 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: the Medieval period in Europe. Man, Yeah, they were very 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: gruesome time, starting about the fifth century after the fall 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: of the Roman Empire, uh and lasting until the Renaissance 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: the fifteenth century. It's many English years, a thousand years 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: of um, nasty, brutish and short life. Yeah, so that 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: the average life expectancy during the Medieval period. And all 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: historians don't like they call it the Middle Ages because 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: that implies that it's just basically this little bit of 18 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: time in between two really important ages, the Middle Period. 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: It's like the Jane Brady of history. Um. And they're saying, like, no, 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: there's some really great things came about during this time 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: and Um, you can't just call it that, so they 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: call it the Medieval period. I still think it's the 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: Middle Ages or the Dark Ages is another great way 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: to put it. Brutish behavior. There was a expectancy somewhere 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: in the forties. I didn't see specifically, but yeah, at 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: the very least it's yeah, average age, you could live 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: longer than that. I mean, like you, you know, if 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you're a woman, the chances of you dying in childbirth 29 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: were pretty high. If you were a man, the chances 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: of you being killed by getting kicked by your horse, 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: we're probably pretty high. If you were a child making it, 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: I think you had a thirty three percent chance to 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: not make it past five. It was not good. It 34 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: was a violent time. Um. Nutrition was not very good, 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: it was a dirty time, and it was just it 36 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: was a bad time to be alive. I think we 37 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: can agree on that. Um, if you're time traveling, skip 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. One of the one of the one 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: of the I guess hallmarks of the Middle Ages, UM 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: was that after the fall of the Roman Empire, Rome 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: like owned Europe owned it outright, and under this control 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: also came things like Rhodes currency, government justice. Yeah, like 43 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: to the farthest reaches of the Roman Empire. It was 44 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: under controlled generally, and these areas had public service, right 45 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: public services. After the Roman Empire fell um there was 46 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: a power vacuum and for three hundred years the Franks 47 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: and the Saxons and the Anglo Saxons um all were fighting. 48 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: And finally in about eight hundred Charlemagne was crowned the 49 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and the Church took 50 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: over basically, which good news, right you would think. The Church, however, 51 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: had a hatred of women in their fondness of torture, 52 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: and the Middle Ages was also characterized by a period 53 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: of really inventive thinking in how to produce human suffering. Yeah, 54 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: I think it is a great quote from L. A. 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Parry's nineteen seventy book A History of Torture in England. 56 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: The first part of this really hits home on it 57 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: and hit home. But yeah, it brings up bad memories. 58 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: What strikes us most in considering the medieval tortures is 59 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: not so much their diabolical barbarity as the extraordinary variety 60 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: in what maybe term the artistic skill they displayed. So 61 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: they definitely delighted and especially reading these torture devices and 62 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: being very uh inventive and probably trying to outdo one another, 63 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: and how awful it was and the different mechanisms, you know, 64 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: because mechanics was new, so they were probably like, look, 65 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: you know this has five gears that will you know, 66 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: rip your toes off. How cool? But uh yeah, so 67 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: it was very ah, perversely inventive period. Yeah. Perry says 68 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: that they basically ruminated and considered how suffering occurs to 69 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: figure out how to produce it. That it was like 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: basically an art form by the end. Yeah, they would 71 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: in court sometimes they would um just do things like hey, 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: let me put your arm in boiling water, and we're 73 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: going to base our verdict on how long it takes 74 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: it to heal. Um. I know the old thing about 75 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: you know, does the witch float throw it? Throw in 76 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: the lake and let's see and if she drowns, hey 77 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: she was not a witch. That's sad. But if she lives, 78 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: then Berner at to stay exactly. Yeah, so either way 79 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: the lady dies, which is very sad. Um. And they 80 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: even had a thing when they would torture people for confessions, 81 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: but they wouldn't They would say basically that confession doesn't count. 82 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: So they would say, you know what, within that twenty 83 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: four hour period, we won't torture you, see if you 84 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: still confess, and if you don't, we'll just torch you again. Right. 85 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: That was to corroborate your own confession that was extracted 86 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: under torture. So even even back then, they realized, like, yeah, 87 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: you can't really rely on a confession under torture because 88 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: people say anything to get you to stop doing the 89 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: things that we're about to describe they were doing to them, right, 90 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: or they would torture you very publicly. That's a very 91 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: common thing with most of these dissuade criminal activity. Yeah, 92 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: humiliation shaming, scarlet letters, Yeah, that kind of thing, permanent 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: scarlet letters. Even so, we're talking about the torture advices, 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: some of the more famous, more diabolical ones that came 95 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: out of the Middle Ages. Yeah, and this is a 96 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: surprise for you. I told you I had a little 97 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: game we're gonna play. We're gonna as we go, we 98 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: will also find out, because I've done this research, which 99 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: of these torture devices are also the names of heavy 100 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: metal bands. Oh yeah, that's a great one because at 101 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: the very first one I saw The Brazen Bull, I 102 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: was like, surely that's a band. Yeah. When I was 103 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: researching this, I was thinking, like, I wonder how many 104 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: times Chuck's gonna be like, that's a great band name. Well, 105 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: the Brazen Bull is, in fact the band in Chicago, 106 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: three piece uh grinder core metal band. Give me another 107 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: example of grind core. So I I know, I don't 108 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: even know. I think it's just the stuff that's so 109 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: like fast and heavy and like I like that. Yeah, 110 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: so I've I found. I tweeted out this picture of 111 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: like the different characters from Lord of the Rings and 112 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: then based on like their looks, what kind of metal 113 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: they were into? Really yeah, like Golam was in the 114 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: new Metal New Metal. Yeah, and then I can't remember. 115 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: I think um Vigo Mortenson was into like, um, I 116 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: can't remember. It's it's worth checking out going too our 117 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Twitter for you look like three weeks four weeks back. Yeah, 118 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: I'll find it, you'll love it. I'm sure I didn't 119 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: describe grind Cork correctly. That's cool. I'm not hip on 120 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: the metal scene, Chuck. The Brazen Bull. The Brazen Bull 121 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: is old. Indeed, they think that an ancient Greek name 122 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: Perillus invented it, yeah, for for a tyrant named Phalaris 123 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: of a grinchined him and so basically like, hey, let 124 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: me build you this torture device. You're gonna love it. 125 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: And the guy was like, I love it, get in it? 126 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: What And apparently that's how it went down, right. So 127 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: what is the Brazen Bull. Well, it's a brass bull, 128 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: which is why it's brazen. And the bowl yeah, um, 129 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: it's a large one, big enough for human to fit him, 130 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: and there is a locking mechanism on the outside once 131 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the human is in. Because they built fires around the 132 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: brazen bowl, lit them and then waited for the brazen 133 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: bowl the heat up with the person inside, who would 134 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: then scream and move around. And the muted sounds because 135 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: it was brass because their tongue was often cut off. 136 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Um made it look and sound like the the bull 137 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: was alive and making noise. Yeah, And we found through 138 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: all of these grab Sir wrote this. Of course at 139 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: Grabanowski it was usually followed with to the delight and 140 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: entertainment of the crowd. So apparently, you know the bull 141 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: started rocking and making noises. People were just like, oh, 142 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: I love it. It's great. Someone's getting seared alive inside 143 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: that hollow bowl. Yeah, because this thing you're not being 144 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: You're not being like charred, You're being seared to death. Ultimately, Ultimately, 145 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: I imagine you would pass out and die from the heat, 146 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: probably hopefully, but I mean being seared to death that's 147 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: pretty bad. Or even being steered in the meantime before 148 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: you pass out from the heat. Yeah. I think with 149 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: most of these, your best hope is to pass out 150 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: as soon as possible from pain, you know. So, thumb 151 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: screws is one that that are They're interesting in that 152 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: they aren't designed to kill you, like a lot of 153 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: these tortures are designed like to either kill you or 154 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: you could die from them. And if you do well 155 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: whatever with thumb screws, it's like, no, this is just 156 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: for inflicting pain on you. Yeah, band or not a band? 157 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: A band thumb screw out of Austin, Texas metal band. 158 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: Uh so Yeah, like you said, you're not gonna die. 159 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: It's basically a these upright metal bars, three upright metal 160 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: bars that you put your thumbs in and then a 161 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: wooden bar slides down and presses your thumbs down, and 162 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: then it has screws and they just crank it down, 163 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: like squeezing your thumbs until they're crushed and broken. I 164 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: would imagine, Yeah, if you want to just start to 165 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: get even the slightest bit of idea of it, just 166 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: just pressed down on your thumb a little bit about 167 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: within the top third of your thumb above the quick 168 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: Jerry's not doing it, She's just watching us, and it 169 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: just it starts as like a little throbbing pain. Now, 170 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: imagine like somebody's screwing a vice down on top of 171 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: that while you're screaming. That's what the thumb screws met for. 172 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Apparently there was a tin finger version called a pilly wink. 173 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: And that's a cute name. Is that a metal band name? No? 174 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: I looked that up though, um, and it's supposedly originated 175 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: in the Russian army is punishment for bad soldiers. And 176 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: then a Scotsman said, this is great, let's bring it 177 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: back home to the UK. Yeah. A guy named Quotability 178 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: tam Delio who was a seventeenth century UH minister of 179 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: parliament um who liked to use them himself. Not on himself, no, 180 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: but he liked to use them on people. Okay, Number eight, 181 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: the rack band not a band band. No, I couldn't 182 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: find it. It's gotta be I think. Um, it's just 183 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: a little too like vague. That was my explanation. But 184 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: it is a workout device. Someone's actually named their little 185 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: workout machine the rack. No way. Yeah, it looks like 186 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: it looks like a walker, you know, like if you 187 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: can't walk, so great, but you can do like dips 188 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: and push ups and sit ups and stuff with it. Yeah. 189 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: So do you think they were like making a joke? 190 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: I have no idea, I hope so. Um. So the 191 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: rack is pretty self explanatory and you've all seen this before. 192 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: Um has many different forms, but generally it is a 193 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: person tied to a table with each limb um, you know, 194 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: tied to a corner, and then it is cranked and 195 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: you were pulled apart or at least dislocated, right, like 196 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: the wheel is cranked, or like an axle is cranked 197 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: or something that that that wines that coils the rope 198 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: that your limbs are tied to up And yeah, it's 199 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: either dislocated or if you really want to get down, 200 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: you can just keep going and pull the limbs right 201 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: off of the body. Yeah, I imagine there was a 202 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: about a four second period where it was great, you 203 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: know where your back just cracked just right, and they're like, oh, 204 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: that's fantastic. And then it was like no, no, no, no, no, 205 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: can we stop there? Oh no, yeah, I don't like 206 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: this anymore. Uh. And they called you you know, would 207 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: be called broken on the rack or racked or stretched 208 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: on the rack. And there was one type that apparently 209 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: looked like a horse even yeah, I get the impression 210 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: that was a little bit like a sawhorse, looking kind 211 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: of just a beam with legs, and um torque Mata, 212 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: who was the head of the Spanish inquisition, he preferred 213 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: one called the portoro, right, but again the inventiveness, like 214 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: they would make one look like a horse, or you know, 215 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: they would apply little artistry to it, which is even 216 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: more perverse I think. And there's another one. It's kind 217 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: of related to the rack. It's called the wheel. Virtually 218 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: the same principle, no man um the it's basically the 219 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: same principle as the wreck. Your your limbs are tied 220 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: to the wheel, or they're broken ahead of time in 221 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: two places with an iron bar and then threaded through 222 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: the spokes in the wheel, and then once you're secured 223 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: this wheel. They can do all sorts of stuff. They 224 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: can swing it like a pendulum and spikes that you're 225 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: you're grazed over or fire or the fire below you, 226 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: and just swing you slowly over that. Or they can 227 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: use the wheel as it was meant to be used 228 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: and tie you to it and send you down a 229 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: rocky hillside. You'll tell you on the outside of it. Yeah, 230 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: it's not to make you dizzy. Myself almost said that 231 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: was my favorite. The wheel is your favorite? Well, tying 232 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: them on the outside and rolling them down the hill. 233 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: When I read that, I was like, very inventive. Yeah, 234 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: that's off to you. What else you gonna do with 235 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: the wheel using as a pendulum? That's stupid. Yeah. The 236 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: one where they would break your arms was kind to 237 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: crucifixion because, like you said, basically they would thread you 238 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: through it and then put it high on a steak 239 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: and just let you bake out in the sun until 240 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: you died with four broken limbs. Alright, the rack in 241 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: the wheel, the steak burning at the steak not a 242 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: band name, no, and it was usually a form of execution, 243 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: but it was so painful that it's also considered a 244 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: form of torture. How long would it take, Josh, So 245 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: it's just a poll that somebody's tied to with some 246 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: dry kindling around it, like kindling and um. Depending on 247 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: the conditions, it could take thirty minutes for you to 248 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: finally go unconscious from the pain of the fire. Thirty 249 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: minutes of being burned before you finally feigned. Now, if 250 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: it was windy out and the fire is blowing away 251 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: from you a little bit, you could be during that 252 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: for up to two hours, unbelievable of being burned to death. 253 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: Two hours of being burn to death at the steak. Yeah. 254 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: And the Netherlands they got a little more creative with it. 255 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: They would um a lot of times. They would remove 256 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: the tongue or do something to the tongue I think, 257 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: to just muffle the screams and make it a little 258 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: more palatable. Uh. And in the Netherlands they would apparently um, 259 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: sandwich your tongue between two hot iron plates and uh. 260 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: Of course you couldn't do a lot with that except 261 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, make weird muffled screaming noises. Right. I don't 262 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: know if it was to make it more palatable or 263 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: people during the Dark Ages thought it was hilarious where 264 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: people couldn't talk. Yeah, maybe so you know, you're right 265 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: like that was like Jerry Lewis of periods, the Jam 266 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: Brady and the Jerry Lewis of periods. Wow, that's pretty 267 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: exciting time. Um, are we onto the Pillory? Oh well, 268 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: we should say probably that there was a modicum of 269 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: mercy with the steak where the church would strangle you 270 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: if you confess to being a heretic, they would strangle 271 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: you to death first before burning you at mistake, and 272 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: then it was just a symbolic burning. Right, you're being 273 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: consumed by fire. That's a very nice thing to do. 274 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: So Pillory band or not a band? I would say 275 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: they are a band out of Boston and they're a 276 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: hardcore band and actually listened to one of their songs. 277 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: You want to know the name of it is, what 278 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: hang nail in a Jeez? That's a metal band song title. 279 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: It sure is. So the pillory you've all seen. It's 280 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: um basically the two parallel wooden boards that are classed 281 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: together around your neck and arms and you're bent over 282 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: hanging through them. Your hands are your hands and your 283 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: head stick through these things. Yeah. I always thought that 284 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: was the stocks. Yeah, it's just like to restrain your ankles. 285 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: But the point is your immobile and you put on 286 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: a platform in a very public area to be shame 287 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: and humiliated and have rotten fruit thrown at you and 288 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: more than that, feces. And I imagine the worst case 289 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: scenario for this would be a group of like twelve 290 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: year old boys in the Middle Ages when you're in 291 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: the pillory. Yeah, twelve year old boys have like families 292 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: and kids by that, that's true, But I bet they 293 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: were the meanest of all. Like, some people would die 294 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: in the pillory because they would be you know, beaten 295 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: to death. Uh. Some people would be lauded though, if 296 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: they were like thumbing their nose at the government and 297 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: saying I didn't pay my taxes, some people would bring 298 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: them flowers and like food and stuff. Yeah, basically the 299 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: pillory was meant to just be left up to the 300 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: crowd what what was to be done with you. At 301 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: the very least, you were shame publicly just for being 302 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: up there for an hour or two. But if the 303 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: crowd decided that, you know, you needed more justice, Like 304 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: there was a four Englishmen who would um wrongfully accused 305 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: some people and send them to the gallows in order 306 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: to get the reward money. Those guys were beaten to 307 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: death when they were put into the pillory. That's no good. 308 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: That's what they call English justice. Yeah, and can you 309 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: imagine that being able to move and just have someone 310 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: like beating you about the head that brings up a 311 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: not be able to bring her hands up at least 312 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: guard your face. That still goes on today as public execution. 313 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: There are some countries out there that use stoning. Iran 314 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: is a very prominent one where you are sentenced to 315 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 1: death by stoning. Yeah. They bury you up to your 316 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: neck and your head is just exposed so you can't 317 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: move and people throw rocks at you until you die. 318 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: Usually they cover you with the sheets that they can't 319 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: see you, but they judge that you're you're done when 320 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: you stop moaning and you're bleeding through the sheet. But 321 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: there's a really interesting article I think you should read. 322 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: I wrote this blog post, Chuck. It's called five most 323 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: entertaining academic papers of all time, and one of them 324 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: and entertaining I use this in a strange way. But 325 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: one of them is called the possible pain experience during 326 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: execution by different Methods is by Harold Hillman, was written 327 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: in the I think the early nineties, and one of 328 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: the ones he covers is stone. But he goes through 329 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: and takes like all of this like, um, He's like, 330 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: there's no there's no body of work on how much 331 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: pain stoning causes. So he compares it to pain reported 332 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: from like a car crash or something like that, and 333 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: then makes assumptions that are you know, pretty good educated 334 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: guesses of what pain a person experiences, and basically rates 335 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: methods of execution from hanging to stoning to the gas chamber, 336 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: um in in so far as how much pain and 337 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: suffering they produce. Entertaining, Yes, the other ones are much 338 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: more entertaining that one had to be in there. It's 339 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: just the Originally I call them the five greatest academic 340 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: papers of all time. But you know s e o 341 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: um okay, so we're done with the Pillory and the Stocks. Correct? Yeah? 342 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: Were the Stocks a band name? No? Uh? And actually 343 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: have the Iron Maiden band or not a band? Uh? 344 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: You know they have their own beer Iron Maiden Beer 345 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: trooper Ale. Really yeah, it's got Eddie on the cover 346 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: and everything. Oh wow, it's pretty neat. I'll try that 347 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: around the label. I should say, can you get it 348 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: like here in the States? No, you're gonna only get 349 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: in the EU. I tried. It's probably sixty announces too. 350 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: It looks good, like it's well made. It's not just 351 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: like I'll put her name on this crap. Like it's 352 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: clearly like a kind of craft beer. That's awesome. Yeah, 353 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Dickinson's like a full on pilot, like 354 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: seven pilot. I don't know, Like he flies there big 355 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: jumbo jet that the band travels on. That's cool. Um. 356 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: So the Iron Maiden um. At one point they didn't 357 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: even believe this was real because it sounded so diabolical, 358 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: but then they found one in uh Nuremberg, Germany and 359 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: uh sometimes it's called the Iron Maiden of Nuremberg for 360 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: that reason. But it's a sarcophagus, you've seen it before, 361 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: like King Tutt was buried in. But it's got little 362 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: double doors and very strategically play spikes on the inside 363 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: done well. When you shut these double doors, including one 364 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: over the door, including one over the face that has 365 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: two spikes that are designed to take your eyes out. 366 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: These spikes go into your vital organs. They're arranged in 367 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: such a way so that your heart gets it, your kidneys, 368 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: your liver just a bit right. Yeah, The spikes aren't 369 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: so long that they just go right through you and 370 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: kill you. They're short enough that they're gonna puncture these 371 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: organs and you're gonna die. But it's gonna take many hours, 372 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: and the the lord of the castle in Nuremberg gets 373 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: to sit there and listen to you moan and die. Wow. 374 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: And they had one apparently that was even shaped like 375 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary and her arms so when he got 376 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: in she would hug you. Yeah, when you like turn 377 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: to crank, the arms would draw you closer into the 378 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: spikes again very fiendish. Uh. Scavenger's Daughter band or not 379 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: a band? I know that as a band. I ran 380 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: across it during my research to four bands. From what 381 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: I saw it was one of the UK, one in St. Louis, 382 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: in Shanghai and when in Poland? Cool? Did they really 383 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: spread out? Maybe it's all the affiliate to the same band. 384 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: They're also city are he's a scavenger's daughter co well? 385 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: Hell see uh? The original name for the Scavenger's daughter 386 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Skeffington's Jeeves or Geeves. I don't know how you would 387 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: pronounce that g y v E s. That's a band too, 388 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: Is it from Tallahassee? I can believe that so um. 389 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: It was named after the inventor Skevington and Todd Skevington. 390 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: This the best way I'm gonna describe this is um. 391 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: It looks sort of like an arch. Imagine the St. 392 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: Louis arch shrunk down two about two ft and attached 393 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: to a bass plate, and you would get down in 394 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: like the tornado crowds position and get inside of this thing, 395 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: and then they would crank it down on the back 396 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: of your neck and back at the top of the arch, 397 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: the top of the center of the archers screw that 398 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: they can crank to crank the whole arch down on 399 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: top of your Yeah, so you're in like a crowd's position. 400 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: They just further crouch you until your spine cracks in 401 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: your breastbone breaks, and like it's the opposite of the 402 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: wreck where the rack tears you apart. The Skevington's gyre 403 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: dives is meant to compress you and like you will 404 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: bleed out of your fingertips and your eyes and your 405 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: ears because your body is being compressed into this tiny 406 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: balls like a car crusher. And yeah, and you're exactly 407 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: And there's actually one on display at the Tower of London. Yeah, 408 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: it's all on the on the internet. Was pretty cool 409 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: looking and again not delighting in this, but it's just insane. 410 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Like I was looking at it on the internet today too, 411 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: and I was thinking, like human beings used to be 412 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: placed in that a few hundred years ago, like the 413 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: suffering that this machine, this contraption produced at the hands 414 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: of other people. Like if you just sit there and 415 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: like forced perspective on yourself, it's really it's really unnerving. Yeah, 416 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: well some people might say that putting someone in a 417 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: chair and sitting like Trusty through their body until they 418 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: dies the same thing. Oh yeah, you know for sure. 419 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that the Errol Morris documentary on 420 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: the inventor of the Electric Chair? No, what's it called 421 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: Mr Sparky? No, I think it's called Doctor Death. Uh. 422 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: And then Colin what his name is Lucher maybe or something. 423 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Really fascinating though, because he Yeah, just 424 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: just read it and it's Errol Morris, that's all you 425 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: need to know. Uh. These last two are really pretty Uh, 426 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: brutal and brutal against women. Yeah, and it's pretty gross. 427 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: So if you're not into hearing about that, maybe you 428 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: should turn off the podcast. Yeah, this to me is 429 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: like this is the worst. The other ones for um, 430 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: gender neutral, Yeah, you know, and I guess the last 431 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: one we're going to talk about is technically gender neutral, 432 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: but like the the idea of it being inflicted on 433 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: women to kind of, as Grabowski points out, to destroy 434 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: aspects of femininity. Yeah, is it makes everything even more disturbing, 435 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, agreed. And this is called the breast Ripper, 436 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: not a band. And not to make light of this, 437 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: but there was a Yahoo answer where a guy said, quote, 438 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: I need a brutal band name something like diseases or 439 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: disorders or something to do with babies being eaten. It 440 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: needs to be killer. And one of the people said, 441 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: you should call yourself the breast Ripper. Did he say awesome? No? 442 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: I didn't like to follow up and like look to 443 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: see if that's what he chose. But the guy had 444 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: listed it like a bunch of names, you know that 445 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: were mainly torture devices. I mean, if you're a metal 446 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: band searching torture devices, medieval torture devices, it's going to 447 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: yield nine D or two exactly. So uh, extending back 448 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: to the Roman times and probably before, females have had 449 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: a rough time of things, um when it comes to torture, 450 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: being marched through the streets, naked, public humiliation, uh, forced rape, 451 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: sexual mutilation. Um all like just terrible, terrible things, specifically 452 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: geared towards women. And the breast ripper was probably the 453 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: worst thing I've ever heard. Yeah, so basically wants to 454 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: describe it. I thought it was very bad too. Back 455 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: to you, go ahead, um, after you a woman was 456 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: it would be tied to a wall or basically forced 457 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: to be a mobile. And then this, um, the breast ripper, 458 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: which was basically a claw of spikes that could be 459 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: open and then placed on the breast and then shut 460 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: clamped down onto the breast, but then we pull away, 461 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: basically just mangling the breasts and like the thumb screws, 462 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: it was not intended to kill. As a matter of fact, 463 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I get the impression from this article that it was 464 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: used very frequently, um to basically say, hey, everybody, look 465 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: at this person, like like the scarlet letter, right exactly. 466 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: It was it was meant to label somebody. Yeah, in England, 467 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: I know they were fond of branding women on the 468 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: face to shame them. Yeah, and apparently if you're in 469 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: the stock case or the pillory, one of the things 470 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: that may also a company that was to be branded 471 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: by having your nose slit or an ear cut off. Maybe. Yeah. 472 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: What was wrong with people back then? I don't know. 473 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: And what changed? I wonder that's like that the most 474 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: peaceful period in history? What right after the Middle Ages? Well, 475 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: that's what we were talking about, like remember Stephen Pink 476 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: Like the Middle Ages were particularly bad. I don't know 477 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: what it was that that changed, but the I think 478 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: the idea that government came in and created a monopoly 479 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: on violence, that's fairly That's that's what we're talking about here. 480 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: That doesn't really account for it because the government had 481 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: not necessarily a monopoly. It was supposed to. But it 482 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: was pretty violent itself. Yeah, And it's not like things 483 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: got great, like you said, they're still stoning people and 484 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: they use the electric chair in this very country. But 485 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't the Middle Ages. No. And also when 486 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you could get you could be 487 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: richards for all sorts of things like your neighbor could 488 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: be like you're a witch, and all of a sudden 489 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: you're tortured, right, you know, so I would be very 490 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: curious to know exactly what accounts for that change, because 491 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: something changed. Yeah, And they also point out in the 492 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: article I did that. UM. A lot of times these 493 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: were used to also get you too, uh sing about 494 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: your accomplices, and that was basically like you just say 495 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: whatever you want, like yeah, it was my my neighbor there, 496 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: and the neighbors like huh, and then all of a sudden, 497 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: it's in the pillory to you know, alright. Our final 498 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: one is the pair of Anguish band or not a band, 499 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: It's got to be a band. It's a band, pour 500 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: metal band from Roanoke, Virginia, man Roanoke, North Carolina. So 501 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: the pair of Anguish was, UM, I guess I'll do 502 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: this one since you had to did the breast ripper. 503 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: It is a pear shaped device and the pair is 504 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: actually four metal leaves um joined at the top by 505 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: a hinge with like a key crank. So just imagine 506 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: a pair that if you crank like where the stein 507 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: would be, the four leaves would open up and they 508 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: would use this on women in like the worst places 509 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: and on homosexual men in the worst places an orifice basically, yeah, 510 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: and open it up. And I showed Emily this morning. 511 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: She was like, so that looks like an early speculum 512 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: to me. And that's you know, kind of this along 513 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: those same lines, and that's the pair of Anguish. And 514 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: you can get pictures of all these and look at them, 515 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: not in use obviously, but actually some of them are 516 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: like they have drawings of like the rack and things 517 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, but luckily not of the pair of English. 518 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: There's a spoon from I think the Nuremberg Castle um 519 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: that has many iron maiden on the top of it. Yeah, 520 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: probably displayed. Wow, yeah you can. I mean there's there's 521 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: photos of these and and some of them are relics 522 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: in in museums around the world, like the Skevington's Jeeves 523 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: in the Tower of Lone. Then there's probably a torture 524 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: museum and that somewhere. There's there's the London Dungeon. That 525 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: one's awesome. I went with my dad my sister years 526 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: and years ago. I was like seventeen, maybe it was 527 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: like thirteen maybe perfect though, Yeah, well, yeah, anywhere from there, 528 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: but it's like they really did it up because they 529 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: use like whack dummies and it's like there's like a 530 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: head in the basket on the guillotine exhibit. Plus there's 531 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: a great Misfits song named that too, name what London Dungeon? Nice? Uh? 532 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: And one more thing I wanted to say. And two 533 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: thousand three, after the US invaded iraq Um, they found 534 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, Udi Hussein Saddam's oldest son. He was the 535 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: Minister of Sports and he was very famous for like 536 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: torturing athletes that he didn't think we're performing well enough. 537 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: What they found an iron maiden at the Ministry of Sports, 538 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: his iron maiden that he used on people. Yeah, that 539 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't encourage athleticism, you know. No, it encourages defection 540 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: and running away whenever you go somewhere to play somebody 541 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: in another country. Wow. Yeah, that's very sad. So that's 542 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: it for ten medieval torture devices. Yeah, very bizarre time 543 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: in this world's history for sure. Uh. If you want 544 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: to see pictures of these things read more about them. 545 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: You can type that in medieval m E D I 546 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: E v A L Torture devices in the search part 547 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: house stuff works, and I said search bars, its time 548 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: for messenge brick and now I listener mail Yes, all right, 549 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: thank you. So this from Matthew and Cook listened to 550 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: the Living Off of the Grid podcast and it reminded 551 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: him of his friend Michael's aunt. Uh. He and his 552 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: friend are very technically oriented and they've been wiring little 553 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: dude dads and things for years. His aunt bought a 554 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: house some years back which turned out to be a 555 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: long term witness protection house for local authorities. She called 556 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: us in because there were about a thousand little switches 557 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: and project boxes all over the house, tucked in the 558 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: nooks and crannies, automated everything from the window blinds to 559 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: the lights, to the door and window locks. It's very 560 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: reminiscent of something we've seen in old James Bond movie, 561 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: so this is not like a new thing, which is 562 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: why it was weird. She had no idea how to 563 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: operate any of them, or even what half of them did, 564 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: so we got to come and play in the house 565 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: basically for a while and figured out what we could. 566 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: We found the house had many defense measures, including motion 567 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: sensor alarms in the surrounding woods and driveway, and backup 568 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: power and water supplies, which included rainwater collection, solar panel panels, 569 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: a huge backup generator, and a wind turbine on a 570 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: telephone pole type thing that could be raised or lowered 571 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: and adjusted using a hand winch. What made the house 572 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: really cool is while many of the home automation and 573 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: power water conservation measures implemented are now things that can 574 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: be purchased and installed professionally, this was all done well 575 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: before this, as evidenced by all the project boxes and 576 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: very retro togcle switches and such. For us, it was 577 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: like seeing history as some clever guy or girl actually 578 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: had to think up these pieces and then design and 579 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: build them from scratch. I feel like I'm really not 580 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: doing this house justice and the engineer's justice, but that 581 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: could be the over excited geek and me. We're calling 582 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: this find Matthew and Cook. So that's pretty cool. It's 583 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: very cool, Thanks Matthew. Apparently the aunt wasn't too into it. Yeah, 584 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: she's like, I got a good deal on this house. Yeah, 585 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: Like once they figured out how to do like the 586 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: lights and stuff, she's like, all right, get out. Um, 587 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: I would be very curious to see photos of this house. 588 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: Send them along. Yeah. 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