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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: So we are gathered here today to commemorate, to eulogize, right,

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Speaker 2: to memorialize the NFL season that was the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three campaign, a celebration of life, if you will. The

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Speaker 2: season that was well too dramatic. Okay, it's just Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 2: Paul Kevy c, Danny Surrect, Darren Urban and it's good

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Speaker 2: to see everyone here. Darren is under the weather. It's

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Speaker 2: not one of those ploys like right after the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl or half of America calls in sick. No, Darren

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Speaker 2: really is a little bit under the weather. Danny made

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Speaker 2: it back from Vegas and made it to work on time. Boom,

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Speaker 2: there she was ready to go, and we are ready

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Speaker 2: to bring you this edition of Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see you, Danny. We're glad you made

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Speaker 3: it through the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like Darren doubted your attendance here this week.

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of insulted you guys think that I would

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Speaker 4: be such a degenerate that I can't show up to

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Speaker 4: work on time Monday morning or out on podcast one

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Speaker 4: days after arriving back to town. But thank you.

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Speaker 2: If you would have spent the weekend at the Phoenix Open,

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Speaker 2: you would have been considered doubtful. That would have been

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Speaker 2: the debauchery. Okay, but Vegas, that's nothing compared to the

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Speaker 2: fiel Knix Open and what was witnessed out there this

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Speaker 2: past weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: Darren. We were you at the Open.

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Speaker 3: I don't even in the best of times, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: really I don't need to drive all the way out there,

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Speaker 3: and it's to deal with a million people.

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Speaker 2: We didn't see you any of those videos. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: that's good. All right, So there we go, Danny takeaways

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Speaker 2: from the Look, we all watched the game on TV,

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Speaker 2: and okay, and we can go ahead and you know,

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Speaker 2: make comments on the on the commercials. Are we in

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Speaker 2: agreement that the Ben af Flack, Matt Damon, the whole

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Speaker 2: you know, Dunk Kings, you know, j Lo Tom Brady

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Speaker 2: was at the best. Was that the hands down commercial

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Speaker 2: winner this year?

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Speaker 3: That was a pretty good one. That was a pretty

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Speaker 3: good one. But I'll be honest, I wasn't paying close

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Speaker 3: enough attention.

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Speaker 4: Come on, come on, yeah, I guess that was the

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Speaker 4: best one. It's interesting that because the Super Bowl commercials

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Speaker 4: used to be so good and people used to talk

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Speaker 4: about them for so long and just as much for

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Speaker 4: the actual game, that it became insanely expensive to purchase

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Speaker 4: time for Super Bowl commercial to where now everybody is

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Speaker 4: just trying to be the next viral commercial. And I

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Speaker 4: feel like, with the exception of maybe two, none of

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Speaker 2: I guess I'd agree with that, Like you know, I mentioned, But.

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Speaker 4: Besides the dunk and one which one even really stands

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Speaker 4: where it's like that was really bizarre, Why do you

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Speaker 2: The couch potato concept was pretty good. Farming the couch

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Speaker 2: potatoes that was pretty good.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure do you remember that one?

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Speaker 2: And then as much money as Holmes dot Com spend

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Speaker 2: on those, I'm still not exactly sure what they do

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Speaker 3: I did like the Christopher Walk in imitation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that was highly rated, by the way, supposedly

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Speaker 4: Thereafter, there's one company which I don't know if I

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Speaker 4: don't think I get in trouble. It's definitely not a sponsor.

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Speaker 4: But there's one company that is known for stealing like

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Speaker 4: doing so to have like two or three Super Bowl ads.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like I need to call my parents

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Speaker 3: Because they only.

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Speaker 4: Haven't seen that like this company is they's like truly

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Speaker 4: of like false whatever it is of people trying to

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Speaker 3: So okay, that's funny.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what happened to me over our July fourth

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Speaker 2: of my young punks tried to purchase something that it's.

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Speaker 4: A brand that like, for a hot minute, was like

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Speaker 4: all over TikTok okay.

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Speaker 3: I wonder why what if it's the brand I'm thinking of.

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Speaker 3: It's it.

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Speaker 2: There's a connection there, there's based on the origin thereof

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Speaker 3: Country were you? Did you stay in Vegas through the

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Speaker 4: I left mourning of I made at home, unpacked shower

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Speaker 4: with about ten minutes before I kid off.

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Speaker 2: How many people under the age of forty, by the way,

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Speaker 2: know who mister t is. That's just a round. Well

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Speaker 2: I didn't get that.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I honestly I saw that, and I was

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Speaker 4: more excited after the commercial to come back from break

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Speaker 4: and have Tony Romo talk about the commercial and not

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Speaker 4: a single peep about it. I'm like, well, he's called

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Speaker 4: the game. Why would you not poke fun at the

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Speaker 2: By the way, Tom Brady next year as a broadcaster

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Speaker 2: has to be better than Tony Romo. Correct. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to go off sawed off here, but I mean

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Speaker 3: To like Tony Romo as a broadcaster. But it does

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Speaker 3: feel like it's kind of it's.

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Speaker 2: The operative word used the past tense. So look, here's

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Speaker 2: the thing, Kansas City getting ready for the parade. The

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Speaker 2: big question will Taylor Swift show up at the parade

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Speaker 2: once again? They've tracked her flight. It would be a

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Speaker 2: Friday in Australia. Can she Will she make the parade

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Speaker 4: Here's the more important question. What'd you guys think of

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Speaker 4: JJ Watt's hairstyle?

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Speaker 2: That was the thing on Good Morning Football? They actually

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Speaker 2: through it there on Twitter? Are you in or you out?

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Speaker 4: Out? Feel like I was back in elementary school looking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, COSTAKELVC was out. My wife was definitely out. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: did he ever explain to anybody? Hit him up? Because

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Speaker 4: Fun on Twitter of saying, you know, you think nobody

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Speaker 4: will notice when you change up your hairstyle, and people do, which, right,

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Speaker 4: props him for owning it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you got to do something to call

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Speaker 2: attention to yourself when you have one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: three million viewers on average and you're their pregame, halftime

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Speaker 2: in postgame. I guess it's not a bad strategy. Maybe

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Speaker 2: his publicist said, you know, you got to do something

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Speaker 4: He's also having to fight six other people on a

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Speaker 2: He got three turns. Most of the other people on

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Speaker 2: the desk got two turns. He got three. He started

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Speaker 2: and he ended. And if you know, JJ, that was

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Speaker 2: by design. He had a little game plan going in there.

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Speaker 2: And but props to know, props to the halftime and

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Speaker 2: JJ actually cracking that rotation as a rookie. There's a

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Speaker 2: no doubt about that. So all right, Danny, any other

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Speaker 2: you know the big winner from Super Bowl week the sphere?

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Speaker 2: Was that not the big winner? You know?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean how much advertising did they sell? How

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Speaker 2: and out? How could you not watch? I go, Wow,

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Speaker 2: that would be a really cool venue to go to.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing their ticket sales as if they weren't already

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Speaker 2: after Super Bowl fifty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you consider how much you're going to

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Speaker 3: to make up for what it cost to build the thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. I have no idea. So was

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Speaker 2: it more than the Rams Stadium? That's that's that's the

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Speaker 2: benchmark at this point, six billion dollars plus for Sofi Stadium,

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Speaker 2: when I think it was a schedule to be about

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Speaker 3: This sphere it costs two point three billion to build?

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Speaker 2: Mm wow, okay, yeah, dare I even ask how much

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Speaker 2: it is to see you two and get a ticket

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Speaker 4: Well, supposely when I was out there, I was somebody

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Speaker 2: Hmmm. So it's sort of like Broadway, you know, you

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Speaker 2: wait to the day of and maybe one of those

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Speaker 2: off Broadway type deals. Okay, all right, So what is

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Speaker 2: the biggest question in the NFL right here, right now?

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Speaker 2: And we'll circle back to the super Bowl itself, but

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Speaker 2: as we stand in real time, what is the biggest

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Speaker 2: question league wide? Right now? And I'll start How about

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Speaker 2: the Bears? How about the Bear? What are the Bears

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Speaker 2: gonna do at number one? Overall? Are they getting rint

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Speaker 2: of Justin Fields? Are they maybe gonna trade him to

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Speaker 2: I don't know. The Pittsburgh Steelers all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: look poised to do something monumental at quarterback. Perhaps.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any doubt they draft Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: A little bit? A little bit really, but I do

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Speaker 2: think they probably restart the whole rookie contract clock and they.

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Speaker 3: Pro so when you say you're not sure about Kayleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: you're saying they're going to get a quarterback. You just

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's Caleb Williams. Not that they're keeping

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Speaker 3: just In Fields.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it will be Caleb Williams. As many

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Speaker 2: doubts as I personally am in Caleb Williams, I think

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Speaker 2: I'm probably the outlier on that, and I'm guessing that

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Speaker 2: he will be the number one pick overall and he

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Speaker 2: will go to Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Even if Chicago traded down a spot with Washington. It

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Speaker 4: doesn't feel the same as last year when you're talking

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Speaker 4: about quarterbacks of you can still get a really good

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Speaker 4: the discourse this year. It really still feels like Caleb

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Speaker 4: it would make much sense for Chicago to trade with

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Speaker 4: time with Caleb Williams at USC, doesn't seem like that

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Speaker 2: There are two things that are going on right now

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Speaker 2: Number one is something that was the word out of

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Speaker 4: Dion Sanders already said his son is going to be

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Speaker 2: I don't know I missed that.

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Speaker 3: I did see that. He his son himself said he

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's what I saw. So there's one quarterback right okay?

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Speaker 2: Uh. The other what we call QB rising, we call

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Speaker 3: See to me, there's no way I'm going from four

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Speaker 4: All the picks you especially if it's going to be

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem, though, this is the one problem. If

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Speaker 2: The most likely trade candidates. They are eight at Atlanta

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Speaker 2: sounds like I'm not worried about It's not like you

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Speaker 3: To let me make this very clear, if they want

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Speaker 4: Five well first round and then it was a third

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with Darren. I think, especially when you

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Speaker 2: Third So should last year with that in mind, is

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Speaker 2: and somehow got him from worse to first. Okay, every

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Speaker 2: And then there's what you left on the board at

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Speaker 2: If you're a number four and a team comes calling,

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Speaker 2: don't try and overplay your hand. Just take the generational

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Speaker 4: I don't know how correlated those two are. Because you're

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Speaker 4: that decision still makes sense. It made sense then, it

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Speaker 4: to pick a player just because CJ. Stroud and Will

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Speaker 4: Anderson happen to have good years with Houston. That's not

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Speaker 4: going to happen every year. Now. I think that could

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Speaker 3: Would I would agree in the standpoint that if you're

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're telling on yourself if you

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Speaker 2: Yes, if he gets drafted before four, and I've said

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Speaker 4: For that Quarterby where they're there, I kind of feel

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Speaker 2: They really are. I guess my question would be, is

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Speaker 4: I agree with that completely of the needs and how

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about? Like if Harrison still is there

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Speaker 2: Anyways, there's no better scenario right than being that third

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Speaker 3: That would be my question though, is if quarterbacks go one, two, three,

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, there could be a handful of teams,

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Speaker 2: If you're coming up, there's going to be a quarterback

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Speaker 2: because of that, and we don't know where that first

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Speaker 2: For example, Atlanta, if they get a quarterback that works,

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Speaker 2: year for number three, I would.

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Speaker 4: Think that would be fair. I agree with you there

442
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Speaker 4: should be a surcharge if somebody's jumping up to take

443
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Speaker 4: a quarterback. Absolutely well.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing too, is you're assuming the Cardinals

445
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Speaker 3: aren't going to be picking very high with their own pick.

446
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Speaker 3: I mean the assumption is is you're going to be

447
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Speaker 3: making a jump enough where your pick is going to

448
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Speaker 3: be a lot lower in the first round.

449
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Speaker 4: Look, we could be we could be in for a

450
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Speaker 4: wild ride to where awesome Ford decides to bundle both

451
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Speaker 4: first round picks and after dropping back right somehow makes

452
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Speaker 4: his way back. I mean, look, I feel like even

453
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Speaker 4: after one draft, something crazy like that would truly not

454
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Speaker 4: be out of the realm. I'm not saying that's a

455
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Speaker 4: likely scenario, but it does help, especially if you're going

456
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Speaker 4: to be back remembering that the Cardinals also have pick

457
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Speaker 4: twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: But going circling back to what Daniel Jeremiah said, and

459
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Speaker 2: he's not the only one. We interviewed Matt Miller from

460
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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, the ESPN NFL Drift analyst, and he said,

461
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Speaker 2: two weeks ago that was the word in Mobile that

462
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Speaker 2: the next year's QB draft class is poor and a

463
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Speaker 2: lot of teams are aware of that. So if you're

464
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Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh right now, for example, you just part of

465
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Speaker 2: ways with Mitch Trubisky, are you really sticking with Kenny

466
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Speaker 2: Pickett for two more years? If you're you know, Denver,

467
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Speaker 2: if you're some of the other teams a Seattle. Not

468
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Speaker 2: that Seattle's going to do business with a team in

469
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Speaker 2: their own division. But if you're the Seahawks and Gino

470
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: Smith was on a glorified one year contract and now

471
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Speaker 2: you have a new head coach and in new OC,

472
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Speaker 2: is Gino your guy this year and next year? So

473
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Speaker 2: I think there are some teams out there, some dark horses,

474
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Speaker 2: that could come out of nowhere with more quarterback desperation

475
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Speaker 2: and need than perhaps we originally anticipated.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a really fair point, because the scouting

477
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,479
Speaker 4: department is already looking ahead and for every team, they

478
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Speaker 4: already have their eye on players for next year for

479
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Speaker 4: reasons like this of making decisions right now on also

480
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Speaker 4: what you think next year is going to look like.

481
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Speaker 2: All right? Takeaway from the Super Bowl, speaking of quarterbacks,

482
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Speaker 2: three times Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes. There he was,

483
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Speaker 2: and it was amazing because the AP threw out a

484
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Speaker 2: stat that during the regular season his numbers in the

485
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Speaker 2: clutch trying to tie or take the lead in the

486
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Speaker 2: fourth quarter overtime were not very good this regular season.

487
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Speaker 2: But has there ever been a better example of when

488
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Speaker 2: a team needed to play its best ball, they were

489
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Speaker 2: playing their best football. And that was Kansas City that

490
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Speaker 2: lost five out of eight, culminating in the jack stomping

491
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Speaker 2: they took by the Raiders physically, not necessarily on the scoreboard.

492
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting to hear Andy Reid after the game

493
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Speaker 2: say that he actually texted Antonio Pierce in December and said, thanks,

494
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Speaker 2: thanks for resetting that. Maybe we're not all we thought

495
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Speaker 2: we were. And as a defending Super Bowl champ, sometimes

496
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Speaker 2: the little things are allowed to slide, and the veterans

497
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 2: have to be reminded that little things matter and that

498
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Speaker 2: attention to detail. And the Chiefs learned the hard way.

499
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Speaker 2: And there they were ten to one shots to enter

500
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Speaker 2: the playoffs, and they went on the road and they

501
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 2: defied all the underdogs in the last three postseason games

502
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Speaker 2: and now they're a two time champ. What was into

503
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: twice in a row?

504
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Speaker 4: That is interesting as I thought about the TV at

505
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Speaker 4: one point watching the game because Banks well, because at

506
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Speaker 4: one point I was thinking to myself when San Francisco

507
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 4: they either had the ball or they were on defense

508
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Speaker 4: trying to get a stop, or unexpectedly, in my head,

509
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Speaker 4: I was kind of cheering for San Francisco and it

510
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Speaker 4: made me realize and I think more now in hindsight,

511
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Speaker 4: after watching the Chiefs players hoiste Lombardi Trophy, that maybe

512
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Speaker 4: I do have a little bit more Kansas City fatigue

513
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Speaker 4: then I thought I did.

514
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Speaker 2: And if you don't have KC fatigue, you at least

515
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: have Kelsey fatigue, don't you. Come on, let's be honest.

516
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's that's fair.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean I did not.

518
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Speaker 3: I just couldn't just remind myself.

519
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Speaker 4: It'll die down in a week after the parade, right

520
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: once we start getting into combine mode, it'll die down.

521
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Speaker 2: I purposely walked away in the postgame from the TV

522
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: when it was his turn on the podium. I purposely

523
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Speaker 2: walked away. And then the wife gave me a hard

524
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Speaker 2: time because she had me profiled as a forty nine

525
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Speaker 2: Ers fan, and she said I was a sore loser

526
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Speaker 2: and I needed to watch the entirety of the postgame

527
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl celebration. I tried to tell her I haven't

528
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Speaker 2: been a forty nine Ers fan in thirty years, and

529
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Speaker 2: I didn't really have a horse in that race, even

530
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Speaker 2: though I grew up on that team and so, but

531
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Speaker 2: she just couldn't stop from from needling me and rubbing

532
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Speaker 2: it in but I if I'm the forty nine ers,

533
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really kicking myself. Just a series of

534
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: inexcusable errors. Whether it's unblocked Chris Jones on third and

535
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Speaker 2: four from the nine in overtime when there were two

536
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Speaker 2: wide open receivers that forced brock Party to get rid

537
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Speaker 2: of the ball, you know, whether it's gift wrapping Kansas

538
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Speaker 2: City's first touchdown on the punt return, gaff in the turnover.

539
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Speaker 2: I mean, think of the extra point getting blocked. Think

540
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Speaker 2: of everything that went wrong, you know, players not knowing

541
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: overtime rules. That's a really bad look.

542
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: Turnovers, running away from running the ball right.

543
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Speaker 2: Yes, the first three possessions of the second half, you're right.

544
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: They went three and out each time, and eight out

545
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: of the nine plays were pass plays.

546
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Speaker 4: It felt more like San Francisco lost to themselves rather

547
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Speaker 4: than to Kansas City.

548
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Speaker 2: You can't be Kyle Shanahan and not be sick to

549
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Speaker 2: your stomach for a good month and and honestly taking

550
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: the temperature of that locker room from the outside looking

551
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Speaker 2: in and hearing a very honest Kyle Yuschek, an Ivy

552
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: League guy say he didn't know the rules of overtime.

553
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 2: Not only was that shocking, it really makes you wonder

554
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: if a lot of those veteran players are going to

555
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: hold the coaching staff accountable and culpable, not unlike that

556
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: Seahawks juggernaut that lost a chance to repeat on the

557
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 2: worst play call arguably in the history of the NFL,

558
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: not giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch. Beast mooded the

559
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: goal line, and that tore that team apart because the

560
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: defense always blamed the offense and they were never the same.

561
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Speaker 3: Can I ask a question, though, and this is one

562
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Speaker 3: of the things that's been bothering me about, are you

563
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: saying that the team is going to rebel because they

564
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: took the ball first?

565
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: Not rebel? I just think that they resent the fact that,

566
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: in their minds they might think they lost a championship

567
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: ring based on decisions made by coaches and or through

568
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Speaker 2: the who lack of preparation.

569
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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing about we can argue all day

570
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: about who knew the rules and all that stuff. In

571
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: my view, Number one, when overtime was starting, and I

572
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: follow a bunch of the analytics, so people on Twitter

573
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: and everything like that, the analytics say the decision to

574
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: take the ball second or take it first, literally, like

575
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: it was such a sliver of an advantage to take

576
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: it second, it was negligible, like there are it didn't

577
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 3: matter statistically whether you took it first or second. Now

578
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: everybody's gonna say, well, Mahomes this, mahomes at Okay, So

579
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: if Mahomes goes and scores a touchdown, like you're just

580
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 3: assuming he's going to well, by the way, we don't

581
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: care about the forty nine ers defense. They're totally off

582
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: the hook. Mahomes is gonna score a touchdown no matter what,

583
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan. So it doesn't really matter what decision you make.

584
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 3: Your defense sucks apparently so bad that you're assuming Mahomes

585
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: is gonna score this touchdown. But then he scores a touchdown,

586
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: and then you have this massive pressure on brock Purty,

587
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: a guy who's never been there before, to have to

588
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: go down and do a mahomes y like Mahomes like

589
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: thing and score that. Like, I don't that's an argument

590
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: to be made. I don't see why. It's like this,

591
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't believe you didn't take all second, Like,

592
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: I don't see it that way.

593
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: At the very least it defies conventional coaching wisdom. For example,

594
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: this is essentially the same format as in college football,

595
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: and ninety plus percent of the time, if you win

596
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: the toss, you defer in college football. Somehow all the

597
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 2: college coaches have decided I'm going to it's more advantageous to.

598
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: Defer, and I would have deferred if each team was

599
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: starting on the twenty five yard line and not having

600
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: to drive length of the field. This goes for me, though,

601
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: This goes back to the same thing that I always

602
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: argued about changing the overtime rules in the first place.

603
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: Play some damn defense.

604
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: I get it. But when Kyle Shannan explains to the

605
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: media that was predetermined predecided, it wasn't a byproduct if

606
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: he looked at his sideline and his defense was gassed

607
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take the ball first and save

608
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: my defense. It wasn't a byproduct of you know, my

609
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks to go.

610
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: You just don't like, well how he prepared.

611
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: No, what I'm going to say was his reasoning in

612
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: explaining why is predetermined was because he want the third

613
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: possession when it truly would be sudden death. Now, the

614
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: chief's response to that was Okay, if you kick a

615
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: field goal, we score a touchdown. Game over. If you

616
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: score a touchdown, we score a touchdown and then go

617
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: for two. Game over. You're never gonna see the third

618
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: possession in any scenario because we're not gonna let you

619
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: see that third possession. Thank you for letting us go second. Thereby,

620
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: we know what we need.

621
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: Again, I understand that art art, but see you can't again.

622
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: You can't sit there and say Kyle Shanahan was unprepared

623
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: for the moment and then say, I'm.

624
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: Not saying it's unprepared. I'm saying it was the wrong decision.

625
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you was pre determined, and I'm telling

626
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 3: you the math was that it wasn't. The math says

627
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: that that it wasn't the wrong decision. There was no

628
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: wrong decision. People can say it's a wrong decision. Now,

629
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: if Patrick Mahomes had thrown the interception, nobody would be

630
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: saying jack squad about this. And again that's the other

631
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: problem I have is this feels very much like a

632
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: hindsight type of argument for me, just like just like

633
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: the lines going forward on fourth down felt like a

634
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: hindsight kind of argument.

635
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: And I get it. We had the same argument on

636
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: the Lions, and you know the whole thing where you know,

637
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: logic is so much more astute in the rear view mirror.

638
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: And okay, you know, in this case, all I'm saying

639
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: is the Chiefs were confounded by the forty nine ers

640
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: decision because that's not the way they would have gone

641
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: if they would have won the toss.

642
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 4: It is interesting, I do see, I could see both

643
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: sides of Okay, right, if you do go second, you

644
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: get the ball second, you know exactly what you need.

645
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: I also, I don't know that I necessarily love this change,

646
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 4: and going back to what you were just saying, Darren,

647
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: of it, it lessens the importance of defense and places

648
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: all of the emphasis and being deserving of a win

649
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: on offense. And I don't I don't particularly love or

650
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: appreciate that, because winning a football game takes all sides

651
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 4: of the ball. Sure, there are teams, there are games

652
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: where you are able to rely maybe on one side

653
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: more than the other. They carry their weight, But in

654
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 4: moments like that you should be able to and you

655
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: need to rely on your defense. And it was interesting.

656
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: This was the first chance we got to see this

657
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: playoff overtime rule change, you know, right in front of us.

658
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 4: Of course, happened in the Super Bowl. I wish there

659
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: was still that emphasis on defense, and its just the

660
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: fact is it's not anymore with this rule change. I

661
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: do think it'll be interesting moving forward in playoffs what

662
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 4: teams decide to do based off this, and if they

663
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: do see more of the value in going second and

664
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: knowing what you need, or if you're looking more at

665
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: the bench and you're looking at your defense, or if

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: your offense was hot, or did they just score on

667
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: they have a game winning drive to send it to

668
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: overtime and you want to keep them on the field

669
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: while they're hand it's hot. I'm curious to see if

670
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: logic plays more of a role in those decisions moving forward.

671
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: I'd be fascinating. Like you already said, the Chiefs would

672
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: have gone for two, which I do know that the

673
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: math does say that if you go second and the

674
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: other team scores seven, you go for two. However, if

675
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: if they go and this is one of the reasons

676
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: this bothers me, this whole argument, Let's say that would

677
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: have gone down that way, and if it wasn't for

678
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, pretty much fing up the pass protection,

679
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: they probably do get a touchdown there, the forty nine

680
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: Ers do, so let's say they go down. So the

681
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 3: difference between whether Shanahan made the right decision getting the

682
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: ball first or second then comes down to whether the

683
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: Chiefs make a two point conversion.

684
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I don't know, but let me put it

685
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: this way. The third and fourth and nine where Chris

686
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: Jones went unblocked, yes, and bus through and forces Brockbirdy,

687
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: you get rid of it and it's incomplete. If it's

688
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: the inverse and you're running second, if you're a second possession,

689
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: now guess what instead of kicking a field goal there,

690
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: you're running a play on fourth and four at the nine,

691
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Kyle Shanahan is going to

692
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: the best play he has, honest sheet at that very moment.

693
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: And if I'm a forty nine Ers player, I'm asking myself, man,

694
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: I would have loved shot at fourth and four from

695
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: the nine, one more play instead of having to settle

696
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: for the field goal. I so to me, to me,

697
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: how can you be a player? And I think, okay,

698
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: we left one play out there on the field that

699
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: could have won us the Super Bowl. We never had

700
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: a chance to run that play because we had to

701
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: settle for the field goal because we took the ball first.

702
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: Why would that play be any different than the punt

703
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: punt that you screwed up. Like again, I understand what

704
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: you're saying.

705
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 2: Saying it's a series of it's a series of gash

706
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: I'm not putting that one.

707
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 3: To me. This is the dumbest argument. That's like sitting

708
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: there saying one play changed everything. One play didn't change everything.

709
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: You had Valdez scantling run backwards when he had like

710
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: a six yard gain and end up losing four on

711
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: the play, and the forty nine ers had them stuck

712
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: at second and fourteen and couldn't get a stop.

713
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm not putting the decision anywhere ahead of the blown

714
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 2: punt return that gift wrapped the Kansasity's first touchdown. There's

715
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: a whole series of gaffs. What I'm gonna come back

716
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: to my original point, I'm wondering if the locker room's

717
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: gonna hold the head coach accountable and culpable for this

718
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: because he now has a track record of blowing double

719
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: digit leads two in Super Bowls won in an NFC

720
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: Championship game against the Rams. Yes, you can blame Juwoski's

721
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: tard for the dropped interception at center field. Just hold

722
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: on to the football. There's a lot of things, but

723
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I wonder if the forty nine ers

724
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: locker room it's gonna be divisive, just like it was

725
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: once upon a time with the Legion a.

726
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: Boom, don't. I don't know if it will be divisive

727
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 4: to me a locker room that feels like that could

728
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: be more so the case with how season ended would

729
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 4: be New Orleans and that weird way that their season ended,

730
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 4: and then their head coach basically going and throwing his

731
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: players under the bus in the press conference. That to

732
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: me feels more like a scenario. I think, if anything,

733
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 4: for the forty nine ers, when you're talking about Kyle Shanahan,

734
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: players might just say, you know what, the forty nine

735
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: ers have been good, They've been dominant, they've been close,

736
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: haven't been able to get that final push. And I

737
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: think maybe you're gonna see more so of and not

738
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: being divisive, players going elsewhere, pending free agents saying you

739
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: know what, maybe this is not the place for me

740
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: to win. When you've got all the pieces and you

741
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: could be dominant in the regular season, can't really find

742
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: a way to win it all. Maybe you won't see

743
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: as many of those star power free agents finding their

744
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: way to San Francisco. Maybe somebody like a pending free

745
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: agent in ASU along wide receiver Brandon Are you going elsewhere?

746
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: But see that? To me again, that's a completely different thing.

747
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: And I don't think that's based off off the decision.

748
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, I want to be clear. I'm saying

749
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 4: more big picture of losing that's not based on the

750
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 4: overtime decision.

751
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: I think one. I think completely apples and oranges. When

752
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: you start talking about what Seattle did on the goal

753
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: line and anything that happened with the forty nine ers,

754
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: I don't even think that's close of an argument.

755
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: The situation might not be the same the game situation,

756
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: But I'm what I'm saying is the locker room blaming

757
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: the head coach. I got similar.

758
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that's if. If that happens in this situation,

759
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: then the forty nine ers never had a chance to

760
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: win Super Bowls anyways, in my opinion, because then you're

761
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: you have the wrong locker room and I just I

762
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: just think that ultimately somebody's gonna lose. I mean literally,

763
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: this came down to the very end of a fifteen

764
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: minute overtime and it's like Kyle Shanahan's the worst coach

765
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: of all time, and I'm just stunned by it. I

766
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 3: understand that he blew leads. I get it. Uh, Once

767
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 3: upon a time everybody said Andy Reid was a loser

768
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: that couldn't win a Super Bowl. Too true.

769
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,959
Speaker 4: I think the difference is Seattle. When we think about

770
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: it again, it's not just one play to necessarily win

771
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: or lose it. But that is one play. And what

772
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 4: we're talking about is a decision of going first or

773
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 4: second when you have the ball in overtime, and that's

774
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: a series of plays. We're Seattle, We're talking about that

775
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: final play you're on the goal line where the decision

776
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: here is. We're not talking about a play call that

777
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 4: Shanahan made or something like that, where we're talking about

778
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: either way, whether or not you deferred or you got

779
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 4: the ball, you still have to stop Patrick Mahomes right

780
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 4: like it I either way, you're still needing a series

781
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: of stops from your defense, and that to me is

782
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: kind of the difference of the two scenarios.

783
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: And also Seattle the legion of Boone and Russell Wilson.

784
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: That whole thing was fracturing long before that play too.

785
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: Look in hindsight, maybe it'll just be Look, we lost

786
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: to Patrick Mahomes. That's the bottom line. Patrick Mahomes with

787
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: a game on the line, when thirteen plays seventy five

788
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: yards eight for eight passing, he's up there. He's changing

789
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: pass protections, he's checking into different plays based on your defense.

790
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: He ran for a pair of first downs right eight

791
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: yards on fourth and one. Then he had the big

792
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: run of nineteen yards to set up the game when

793
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: he touched down. So you know, in the end, it's just, Hey,

794
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: we were the latest team to get victimized by Patrick Mahomes.

795
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: And we did have a discussion on the Red Sea

796
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: Report about man, did you did you notice anything that

797
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: maybe the Cardinals can borrow. Patrick Mahomes is a singular quarterback,

798
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: but if there's one of the few people on the

799
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: face of the earth who have somewhat of a similar

800
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: skill set, it would be Kyler Murray. And some of

801
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: those run pass options they ran on key downs, third

802
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: and fourth downs where you gotta have him in those

803
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: run pass options. I mean, I couldn't help but think

804
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: of a Kyler Murray keeping a defense honest and some

805
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: of the other things that they are able to do

806
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes. And I also think of the progress

807
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: he made with his receivers. They led the NFL as

808
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: a receiver group with forty four drops in the regular season,

809
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: but in the postseason pretty much flawless. At least Patrick

810
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Mahomes made it work, didn't Ever, what has happened since

811
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: they got rid of all pro Tyreek Hill. They've gone

812
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: back to back to Lombardi Trophies.

813
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: It was funny too as I'm watching the game and

814
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: I hate to go back to your Kelsey fatigue, Paul,

815
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: but it felt a lot like when the Cardinals were

816
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl early on when Kelsey wasn't getting

817
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: any catches. The same thing with Fits and then all

818
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: of a sudden you look up at the end of

819
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: the game. Obviously Kelsey didn't have quite the game that

820
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: Fits did in the Super Bowl, but it was the

821
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: same kind of thing. You look up and like, wow,

822
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 3: he had a way better game than you thought he did.

823
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: You know, well, Kyle Vannenbosch made the point that the

824
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: loss of Drake Greenlaw was felt the most in covering

825
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey. And if you remember back to the second

826
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: game Cardinals and Niners, Trey McBride had a big thirty

827
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: yard chunk catch early in that game when Fred Warner

828
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: was on him, and then what did the Niners do?

829
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: They put Drake Greenlaw on McBride the rest of the game.

830
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: He did a much better job. So that was costly,

831
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. That was very costly because

832
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: there was Kelsey after one catch for one yard, telling

833
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: the media at halftime he said, yeah, I got to

834
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: stop playing like a DABBRONI his word, and then he

835
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: said in the second half, boom. He ends up with

836
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: ninety ninety three on the game.

837
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: It is kind of interesting to talk about what you

838
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: could kind of take from that offense, but again, there's

839
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 3: so many things. There were things that were playing out

840
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: like that fourth down run pass option. Obviously that's something.

841
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: Love that concept for Kyler Murray, love it. Agree in

842
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: the red zone. Love that for Kyler.

843
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: But I will also say that there's so many things

844
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: that Mahomes does off schedule.

845
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: That yeah, you're right, You're right. I mean, and look,

846
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: I still remember I go back to it was the

847
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: first mandatory mini camp of Kyler Murray's rookie year twenty nineteen.

848
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: Patrick Peterson comes into the locker room and he's fuming

849
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: and he's like you, you know, it's a competitive thing. I mean,

850
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: nothing was on the line, but they were competing offensive defense. Pat,

851
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: what's going on? What's wrong is though these baseball quarterbacks

852
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: are killing me. And that's a direct quote Mahomes, Russell Wilson,

853
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: now Kyler. Just the different arm angles to the ability

854
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: to throw off platform. You know, nobody is Patrick Mahomes,

855
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: but Kyler does have some of that ability to do

856
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: some of those sort of throws. And Jim Almhundro during

857
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: the Red Sea Report, had played the highlight of the

858
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: James Connor one handed catch against Philadelphia. Don't forget he

859
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: was backpedaling and throwing off his back foot with a

860
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: man right in his face and put that right on

861
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: the money in the back of the end zone. So

862
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: I just I was watching and thinking is there any

863
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: application to what the Cardinals are doing, and also wondering

864
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: those cryptic words by Jonathan Gannon whether it was for

865
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: real or not. I don't know how real you took it.

866
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: When Jonathan Gannon in his final press conference said we're

867
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: gonna tear this offense down now, I don't think they're

868
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: gonna put it up on blocks and rebuild the whole

869
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: thing like you take a car in your garage. But

870
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 2: I do wonder what else they're adding or transitioning from

871
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: year one to year two, because think of everything you

872
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: couldn't do in the offseas with Kyler a year ago

873
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: he wasn't available, and now you truly know what you

874
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: have and Kyler Murray, and then Kyler conversely knows what

875
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: this offense is all about. So what does that mean

876
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: this offseason as you go ahead and you evolve the offense?

877
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: To me, when I hear teared down, I feel like

878
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: the offense was kind of already falling right. It's not

879
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 4: like you're having to do a lot to really tear

880
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 4: it down and build it up. You have some good

881
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: pieces to build around with Kyler Murray, with James Connor,

882
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: having Michael Carter that that took a good amount of

883
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: time to figure out because he wasn't acquired till late

884
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: in the season. Needed a couple of weeks to get

885
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: him acclimated. I feel like you have a pretty good

886
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 4: idea of what you've got in the backfield. Also with

887
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: the Mario de Mercado on third down as your running backs,

888
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 4: you now have a good idea of Trey McBride and

889
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: a true number one tight end. And did the coaching

890
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: staff see enough from somebody like Elijah Higgins who made

891
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: the transition from receiver to tight end this year as

892
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: a rookie as maybe more of a blocker. You do

893
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 4: have some of those pieces. I think there's some good

894
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: pieces on the offensive line. You could and stay with

895
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 4: Yell Defroholt as your center and get by and work

896
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: on other pieces. So yes, tear down the offense. But

897
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: I think in the sense of now you've got enough

898
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 4: of the pieces to know where you want to work

899
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 4: around building it back up. And the key is no

900
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: secret is wide receivers and that's where I think needs

901
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: the most work. I don't know about most significant because

902
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: it's a big old question mark at left tackle with

903
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 4: DJ Humphries now having to rehab in ACL what do

904
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: the Cardinals want to do at left guard? That was

905
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 4: a revolving door all year, But wide receivers is the

906
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 4: most glaring. There's like a red flash siren everything when

907
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: you're trying to build up this offense. Of that is

908
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: the key.

909
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: The thing is is when you talk about like what

910
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: we saw in the Super Bowl and what might be there, Like,

911
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with what you're just saying, Danny, but

912
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: I just right now, my head just keeps going back

913
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: to what are they going to do defensively, who's covering

914
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: the other team, who's rushing the passer? Like, offensively, I

915
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: think they can get better, but if they don't get

916
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: extremely better defensively, it's a moot point anyways, right.

917
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: Just talking about tearing down the offense, Yeah, yeah.

918
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: You know, if we're gonna flip to the defense. I

919
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: mean the underrated part of that Kansas City team was

920
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 2: their pair of cornerbacks. Yes, I mean McDuffie and Sneid.

921
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: These guys are really good, really good. Casey doesn't have

922
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: an elite pass rush, although they do have an elite

923
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: defensive tackle dot dot dot. Chris Jones and I know

924
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: both the GM and the head coach Andy Reid a

925
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: Kansas City have gone on the record after the Super

926
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: Bowl saying we got to get that deal done, but

927
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier said than done, so a lot

928
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: of people wondering, Okay, he's got a couple of rings

929
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: now he's looking to cash in. Could the Cardinals be

930
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: a player? I don't know, But if you're looking to

931
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: rebuild the defense and you're looking for a Hall of

932
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: Fame defensive lineman to teach a bunch of young guys,

933
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: you can do a lot worse than Chris Jones based

934
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: on what we've seen the last few years.

935
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: But if you are in that rebuild transition era for

936
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, one is a summer Chris Jones is going

937
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: to want to come? And two is that going to

938
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 4: we're spending the money it would take for him to

939
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 4: come when you were going to have to have money

940
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 4: to build every other aspect of this defense that you need.

941
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 4: That would be great. I don't know how realistic it

942
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 4: is to get not only somebody like Chris Jones, but

943
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: Chris Jones himself. Of one, is this the right spot

944
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 4: for him at this point in his career and how

945
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: close the Cardinals are or are not to having the

946
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: pieces they need to have long term success, and is

947
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: it worth spending the money when you've got a lot

948
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 4: of pieces you need to bolster up on this defense.

949
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: I think I keep getting a lot of questions in

950
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: the mailbag of like, Okay, what specific defensive players might

951
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: they go after at free agents in general, And it's

952
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: just it's so hard to know right now because we

953
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: are we're right outside the combine and whether people are

954
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 3: supposed to or not. That's oftentimes when information starts to

955
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 3: be exchanged over what might be there for a player

956
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 3: on the open market, and until we know for sure,

957
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: like like you said, like I think the Chiefs would

958
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: really like to find a way to keep him. And

959
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: if I'm Chris Jones, if I can get paid enough,

960
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 3: I'd rather stay, yes.

961
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: So and go for a three piece Yes, think of

962
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: all think think of how you could cement just your

963
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: endorsement ability right your post playing career ability with that

964
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: sort of profile, playing with Mahomes and.

965
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: So ultimately, like I want to get a lot closer

966
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: to mid March when free agency actually starts to actually

967
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: think about who the Cardinals might be able to chase

968
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: that isn't on their own roster, because I do think

969
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: that there's going to be a handful of these guys

970
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: that makes some sense for this team one way or another,

971
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: especially defensively, that just are not going to be available

972
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: by the time we get to there.

973
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: So if you go beyond Chris Jones to Danny's point,

974
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: I do think that's a salient point. If you're gonna

975
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: spend twenty to thirty million a year on a defensive lineman,

976
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: is this the point in the timeline of the reset

977
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 2: of the Aarson A Cardinals where you would do that?

978
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: Because typically if you're gonna spend that sort of money

979
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: on a single position player along the defensive line, usually

980
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 2: that would be a team that's a defensive lineman away

981
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: from competing for the Super Bowl. My most accounts, Cardinals

982
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: aren't there yet. So okay, does that make sense at

983
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: this point in the timeline? And I get that, So

984
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: with that, you know, but then again it is a

985
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: serious dire need.

986
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, you're right on that.

987
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: I mean, so all right, you know, and you have

988
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: to start that rebuild somewhere, and we all know what

989
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: happens when you can get that one guy and then

990
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: there's a trickle down through the rest of your defense.

991
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: It's sort of it's sort of unlike, I know, you

992
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: tell me if there's an app comparison or not. Dbacks

993
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: made a run to the World Series last year, right

994
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: first half of the year, their bullpen was awful. They

995
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: got the closer, and then everybody else fell into their role,

996
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: the eighth inning guy, the seventh inning guy, the lawn

997
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: really everyone else found a role after they got the guy,

998
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: the closer in that bullpen, and boom they took off

999
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 2: from there. I would sort of look at that akin

1000
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: to football. If you can get that elite pass rusher

1001
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: off the edge, if you can get that game wrecker

1002
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle, aon Aaron Donald at Chris Jones, that

1003
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: type of dude right there, then all of a sudden,

1004
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: guess what, It's amazing how the rest of your defense

1005
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 2: sort of falls into place.

1006
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: Well, then you are making the argument of what Danny

1007
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: was just talking about, which is they are close, because

1008
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: if you can get one guy and everybody kind of

1009
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: clicks into a place, then you're saying that you have

1010
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 3: most of the pieces. You just need that alpha.

1011
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean you need it now. I mean I

1012
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 2: know you need the alpha. The question is this question

1013
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: is can you get two to three good years out

1014
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: of that player?

1015
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: Right? And that the thing is. I want to be clear,

1016
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 4: I am very well aware that you're going to have

1017
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 4: to spend money. This is the point where the Cardinals

1018
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 4: are going to have to spend money. You're going to

1019
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: have to get veterans here. I've said that. That's what

1020
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: I think is the defense specifically, that side of the

1021
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 4: ball is where you need to spend good amount of

1022
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 4: your money on free agents and bringing bringing in veterans

1023
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: who play and practice the right way and our game

1024
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 4: wreckers in whatever position they're playing. And Chris Jones specifically

1025
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 4: is just an interesting player of I don't know if

1026
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: a situation like here in Arizona bodes well for him

1027
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: and what he wants to do in his career.

1028
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 2: So all right, look you go into this point now.

1029
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Now you also have the combine, right, which is really

1030
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: where all the free agency starts, does it not? Darren

1031
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: is a guy who's been doing it for two decades.

1032
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where the conversation starts supposed to. But yeah, yeah,

1033
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: and so okay, anything particular to this year is combine anything.

1034
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: Preparations are beginning, you know, Cardinals will be out there.

1035
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 2: They have eleven picks in this draft obviously, and based

1036
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: on last year and everything we heard from many Austin

1037
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: for it, they value the interviews as much as anything, correct.

1038
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I have yet to find a coach or

1039
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: or a personnel department that isn't going to say that

1040
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: the medicals and the interviews are the most important thing

1041
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 3: the rest of them. It's nice to have, but they

1042
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: want to talk to these players and they want to

1043
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 3: check them out medically. As we were talking about off air,

1044
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: when we were talking about Michael Pennix and all the

1045
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: injuries he's had and how that might impact stuff. But ultimately, yeah,

1046
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 3: we're in that final run up and it just seems

1047
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: so weird to me that we're, you know, you finally

1048
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: get to the end of the season and now the

1049
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: combine's right on top of you. And I mean, obviously

1050
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: the Cardinals have been away for a little bit here,

1051
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: but we're about to like get going in earnest real

1052
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: quick here.

1053
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: See, there is no off season in the NFL. It's

1054
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: just game season and non game season is what it is.

1055
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: And by the way, before we officially usher in twenty

1056
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 2: twenty four, is there any Umbradge taken with the Angry

1057
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: Run Award winner, the Ultimate Award winner and NFL Honor.

1058
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: Speaking to James Connor, who we reference speaking of Patrick Peterson,

1059
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: whose name came up earlier in this edition Cardinals Underground,

1060
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 2: brought you by Pacific Office Automation. There he was, James Conner,

1061
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 2: one of the finalists, and Kyle Brandt did his whole

1062
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: stick in front of the whole theater and on live TV.

1063
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: And it's very well done and he's uber talented the

1064
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: whole thing. But ultimately it went to Najie Harris, the

1065
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: Angry Run Award winner and the Scepter El Grande for

1066
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

1067
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: Would have been nice for James Connor to get it,

1068
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 3: but he didn't.

1069
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 4: I really thought using the word usher was your segue

1070
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 4: to finally talking about the halftime performance.

1071
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: Here we go, Danny, here we go. That is the segue.

1072
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: What'd you think? What'd you think about it?

1073
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 4: First? I want to hear what the two of you thoughts,

1074
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 4: so I know how to properly rebel.

1075
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: I barely paid attention.

1076
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: Any opinion I'm about to give is really a courtesy

1077
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: of our colleague Jay, who gave me an unbelievably detailed

1078
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: breakdown in the last twenty years of Super Bowl halftime

1079
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: shows over the lunch table earlier today, I couldn't believe

1080
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: Jay really had him. I said, where does the Bruno

1081
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: Mars halftime show rank of all time? And he said second.

1082
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 2: He said the year before Beyonce put the gold standard there,

1083
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 2: and then nobody wanted to do it, according to Jay,

1084
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 2: the year after Beyonce, but then brun O Mars stepped

1085
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: up and he said, give me a shot at it.

1086
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 2: And he said, in his estimation, Bruno Mars will be

1087
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: number two in his powerpoll the last twenty years in

1088
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: Super Bowl halftime shows. So I'm just gonna go.

1089
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 4: Really liked Rihanna, But my point with here's what I

1090
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 4: thought about Usher. I liked it. I grew up young

1091
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 4: but listening and loving Usher. I didn't love the performance.

1092
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 4: It felt like two different performances. I appreciated Usher incorporating

1093
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 4: Vegas and his Vegas residency with you know, some of

1094
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 4: the costumes and things of that nature. The first part

1095
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: of the performance was just kind of all over the

1096
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 4: place for me, I didn't really love that, But I

1097
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: did love when it kind of transitioned to the second

1098
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 4: half and he brought out Alicia Keys and Ludacris and

1099
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 4: Little John and Jermaine dupri and and used everybody and

1100
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 4: was singing those classic songs and doing what Usher does

1101
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 4: best and just commanding the stage. I really did like it.

1102
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 4: I didn't particularly love it. I just like when I

1103
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 4: think you start to look at overall the production value

1104
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 4: of the costumes, of the lighting and the camera angles

1105
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 4: and the choreography all of that. It wasn't one of

1106
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 4: my like, top top favorite to the way Beyonce or

1107
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 4: Bruner Mars or Rihanna was. But I liked it. I wasn't,

1108
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 4: you know, hating on it where people thought it was

1109
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 4: absolutely horrible.

1110
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, if I saw it correctly, the

1111
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: viewership peaked at the halftime show, that is where the

1112
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: viewership was at its all time highest in what was

1113
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: a record setting telecast.

1114
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 4: So I will say the biggest disappointment of it was

1115
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 4: the rumors of Justin Bieber being one of his cameo

1116
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: artists guests did not come true, and Justin Bieber was

1117
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 4: in the building.

1118
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: So that disappointed you. On a personal level.

1119
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 4: It appear I'm not even I wasn't even a huge

1120
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 4: Justin b Let me explain this to you, Usher does

1121
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: please do Usher discovered Justin Bieber when Justin was like

1122
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 4: ten years old singing acoustic guitar on a street curb

1123
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 4: off YouTube and helped make him into who he was.

1124
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 4: So when Justin Bieber went on his first big role

1125
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 4: tour when he was I don't know, fifteen, like, he

1126
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: was performing with Usher, and Usher had a major influence

1127
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 4: on Bieber's career, and so everybody kind of thought that

1128
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 4: it would only make sense for Justin Bieber, who hasn't

1129
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 4: really performed in the last couple of years, to make

1130
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: his return and perform with Usher at halftime. And then

1131
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 4: everybody saw that Bieber was in attendance at the super Bowl,

1132
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: and then he did not come out perform. That was disappointing.

1133
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: That's good, all these pop culture things I've learned here

1134
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks, you know, like, for example,

1135
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: with the passing of Toby Keith Rest in Peace, I

1136
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: did not know that his labels signed Taylor Swift as

1137
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: a fifteen year old high school sophomore. That was our

1138
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: first record deal.

1139
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: I know that speaking of halftime shows, talking about stuff

1140
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: that I might have remembered in the moment, but I

1141
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 3: did not remember all these years later in nineteen ninety three,

1142
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: I believe Fox had the show in living color with

1143
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 3: Jim Koy and the Wayne's brothers and everything, and they

1144
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: did a live telecast of that show at halftime. That's Fox,

1145
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: and the super Bowl was on CBS, so they timed

1146
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: it up and they did a live show of Theirs

1147
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 3: at halftime, and everybody watched it. And that's when the

1148
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: NFL decided our halftime shows have to be a big deal.

1149
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: They got Michael Jackson the next year and then ever

1150
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: since then is that's why we have these giant shows.

1151
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: Fun fact, the year that Michael Jackson was the halftime performance,

1152
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 4: my dad had Super Bowl tickets. That was the very

1153
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: first professional football game my mom ever went to. And

1154
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: she said nothing, Well, yes, when Michael Jackson performed.

1155
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 3: Where was that?

1156
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 4: That was in Pasadena? I believe. Wow, So I've been

1157
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 4: the cowboy cowboys? Yeahoy, Yes. And then and then just

1158
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 4: to continue the story, uh, in ninety it would have

1159
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 4: been February of ninety four, so that Michael Jackson must

1160
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 4: have been ninety three. Because February of ninety four, which

1161
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: was about a month before I was born, my mom

1162
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: was on bed rest, so she wasn't out of travel

1163
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: and was upset that my dad still went to the

1164
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 4: Super Bowl to watch the Cowboys play without her, because

1165
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 4: obviously she had a great time the year before. So

1166
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 4: that's why know, Michael Jackson must have been in ninety three.

1167
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: Got it?

1168
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: By the way, did they announce the Hall of Famers

1169
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: at halftime as well? Is it? Did? They didn't? They

1170
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: parade them out at some point during half time?

1171
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 4: I might have missed that.

1172
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: How was it?

1173
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

1174
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: It was NFL Honors where they brought up ay and

1175
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 2: that's what it was the night before. So because there

1176
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: was Dwight Freeny and uh, I still remember him showing

1177
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: up at the Greenbrier for.

1178
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: The first time, baby walking to the long.

1179
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: Gag, like, here's he, Here's here there Dwight free right over.

1180
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 3: That turned out to be a really good signing.

1181
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: That was a really good signing, no doubt. And I

1182
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: mean just his confidence level in the spin move right, yes,

1183
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: I mean he's he's like, look I'll use it on

1184
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: anybody anytime, at any point in the game. And his

1185
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: confidence love he just smiled that smile and said here

1186
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: it comes, try and stop it.

1187
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: I think it's probably fair to say dwy Freenni would

1188
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: have been in the Hall of Fame even if he

1189
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: hadn't played for the Cardinals. But it still was a

1190
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: good part of the story there with eight sacks and

1191
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: eleven games or whatever he had.

1192
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: It's like the Mariano rivera slider or whatever. What was

1193
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: his go to pitch? Right, is one pitch that put

1194
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: him in the Hall of Fame? Caught fastball? There you go.

1195
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: That's what Dwyight Frenia.

1196
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 4: I told you all about the theory online of the

1197
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: colors of the NFL Super Bowl logo predicted, and I

1198
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: know that there wasn't a purple team Baltimore that was

1199
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 4: in the logo. However, the New Orleans logo color scheme

1200
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 4: is very heavy on the red and the green. So

1201
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: are we predicting a Cardinals Jets Super Bowl?

1202
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: Jesus wow?

1203
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 3: Per Okay, okay, Red and green just means it's going

1204
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: to be played on Christmas.

1205
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's a little more likely that we

1206
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 4: would see a Cardinal's Jet super Bowl then a super

1207
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 4: Bowl on Christmas Darren probably.

1208
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: By the way, Speaking of games, let's see, they announced

1209
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: that a twenty twenty five game will be in Madrid, Spain.

1210
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: Interesting Also, do you see where the owners voted in December.

1211
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: I missed this to authorized up to eight games internationally

1212
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: each season, So they're going to expand, and it's happening immediately.

1213
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: Five games this year, three in London, one in Munich,

1214
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: one in Brazil. Now Philadelphia is going to host in Brazil,

1215
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: so Cardinals are not going there. However, Cardinals still have

1216
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: a chance to play Carolina in Munich, still theoretically have

1217
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: a chance to play Minnesota in London. And you're thinking, wow,

1218
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: wait a minute, they just went to London in twenty seventeen. No,

1219
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: hang on, Chicago played in London in twenty nineteen, and

1220
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: they're hosting this year in London. And Minnesota was in

1221
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: London in twenty twenty two and they're going to be

1222
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:54,479
Speaker 2: back in London in twenty twenty four, and so you know, look,

1223
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: there are more and more international games, and so teams

1224
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: are going to be going to these international games with

1225
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: more and more frequency. So really, twenty seventeen wasn't that

1226
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: long ago for London, even though two years ago obviously

1227
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: the Cardinals went to Mexico City.

1228
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 3: We are coming to a time where every team is

1229
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: going to play internationally once this season.

1230
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 4: Do you think the league is taking into consideration all

1231
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 4: the Cardinals underground international fans and who wants to see

1232
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 4: us do a live podcast overseas.

1233
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: That's right, British bird Gang.

1234
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 4: The German bird Gang.

1235
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: Was a game year. Yes, you're absolutely right that a.

1236
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 4: Should come into play when deciding if Arizona goes abroad

1237
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 4: and where we go in my opinion.

1238
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're looking at A twenty twenty five,

1239
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: in that game in Spain, they say the host most

1240
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: likely be an AFC team because they have the extra

1241
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: home game in twenty twenty five the AFC. But but

1242
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: the stadium in Madrid, they've been getting it ready for

1243
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: like three years. They reconfigured and renovated the whole thing

1244
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: to accommodate NFL football, Like Spain is all in.

1245
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: I've often said that Spain is all in.

1246
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: So just get to know that that's.

1247
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 4: Impracticing your Spanish pol.

1248
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: That's right, So all right, there you go. Anything else?

1249
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: We skipped over what Travis Kelcey did to his head

1250
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: coach on the sideline.

1251
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 4: I mean that's being I feel like so blown out

1252
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 4: of I.

1253
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: Don't know, you know, the head coach is the third

1254
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: rail all the years have been down on the sideline.

1255
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anybody front up a head coach the

1256
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: way Travis Kelsey did. Coordinators and assistance, yes, sometimes they'll

1257
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: bear the brun of a TI rate, but the head

1258
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: coach and the play caller.

1259
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 4: Doesn't it feel different because it's Travis kelcey of all

1260
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 4: players and what he has done for that organization, and

1261
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: essentially the offense revolves around him and Patrick Mahomes. That's

1262
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 4: the only thing to me that feels a little different.

1263
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 4: I think about when everybody is right, like nobody has

1264
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: a problem, When when Tom Brady was doing it, people

1265
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: had a problem when Kyler Murray did it. I just

1266
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 4: to me, this feels like I believe it of Andy

1267
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 4: Reid saying essentially kind of shaking it off because it's

1268
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey, somebody else or any you know. I just

1269
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 4: it feels different for some reason of their relationship and

1270
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 4: what Kelsey means and whether or not it's fair. I

1271
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: think he's above every other player, which is why, of

1272
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 4: anyone he could have reacted that way. I don't necessarily

1273
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: think it was appropriate. You're still a leader, right, you

1274
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 4: still need to keep yourself composed in that manner.

1275
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: I'm just going to say that I'm good with whatever

1276
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: Andy Reid, however he wants to interpret it, and we

1277
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: don't know that he didn't at some point, even though

1278
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: he's publicly playing it off. We don't know he didn't

1279
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 3: sit Travis Kelcey down one on one in a quiet

1280
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: room and said, don't you ever effing do that again

1281
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 3: to me? So I mean if that happened. Although I

1282
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 3: will say this interestingly, I had a friend who put

1283
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 3: on Facebook a article about basically saying, here's the problem

1284
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 3: I have with it is you've drawn in all these

1285
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: new fans because of Taylor Swift that are following you

1286
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 3: because of Taylor Swift, and now you you weren't a

1287
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: good role model. Now I know what you're saying, But

1288
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: the argument of this person is, you know, Danny Sirek,

1289
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: you're whatever you are, twenty nine years old. You're not

1290
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old girl that is now paying attention

1291
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: to all this.

1292
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 4: So Travis Kelsey now has to live his life and

1293
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 4: how he conducts himself every second of doing his job

1294
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 4: because of Taylor Swift's fans, and they might not even

1295
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: end up together. And he is playing a professional sport

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Speaker 4: where you have to be aggressive and you have to

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Speaker 4: be physical, and it is on the biggest stage that

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Speaker 4: you are trying to come from behind and win a game,

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Speaker 4: and he is one of the best in his positions

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Speaker 4: to play, and he is not allowed to express that

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Speaker 4: emotion because heaven forbid a thirteen year old girl sees

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Speaker 4: that and thinks, oh my gosh, Taylor Swift don't know

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Speaker 4: if that's the person for you.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, that wasn't. He wasn't saying had anything to

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Speaker 3: do with whether Taylor should be dating him. It's just

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Speaker 3: that you're now in front of a lot more people

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Speaker 3: and you just said it was inappropriate.

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Speaker 4: So you can here's my kind of argument. If that's

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Speaker 4: how people feel, why are their players who have actually

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Speaker 4: been proven to have been caught or what's the word

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for. There are players in this league who

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Speaker 4: have been charged with domestic assault or violence, so why

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Speaker 4: are they allowed to play in the league. But the

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Speaker 4: moment that Travis Kelce, which you're right, it wasn't appropriate

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Speaker 4: to get in his coach's face, why is that what

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Speaker 4: people are harping on, rather than maybe the players who

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Speaker 4: are actually putting other people physically in danger and are

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Speaker 4: allowed to keep getting paid and keep playing the game.

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Speaker 4: Why is it Travis kelce we're focusing on that, Well,

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Speaker 4: one because it just happened in the super Bowl, and

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Speaker 4: number two, I don't know if those are mutually exclusive.

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Speaker 3: You're assuming the people that are arguing against Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 3: didn't also argue about those other people.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm not saying put handcuffs son on Travis Kelson.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that just kind of smacked of the

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Speaker 2: h don't you know who I am? Moment where maybe

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Speaker 2: the ego ran amuck a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And let's face it, Kyler got hammered pretty good when

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Speaker 3: he did. It's a cliff and that was so why

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Speaker 3: wouldn't Travis Kelsey get hammered? And was shouldn't he get?

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Speaker 1: Thought?

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Speaker 2: Winning solves everything? Winning to absolved Travis Kelsey at that moment?

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Speaker 4: Yes, my thought right, My thought of being blown out

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Speaker 4: of proportion is when I'm seeing people because they are

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Speaker 4: tying it into Taylor Swift. Do you want to feel

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Speaker 4: some type of way about it because of his ego

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Speaker 4: or a player or undermining your head coach? That's fine,

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Speaker 4: but don't feel some type of way about it for

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Speaker 4: the sole fact that you're trying to defend a pop

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Speaker 4: star and wondering whether or not she's dating a good person.

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Speaker 4: Because of those two moments, That's why I felt it

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Speaker 4: was being blown out of proportion because that's what I've

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Speaker 4: seen online.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't have a problem with that argument,

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Speaker 3: although I'm going to say this, this is what happens

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Speaker 3: when you date the biggest star in the world. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't you don't get to it's for me. It's

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Speaker 3: just like it's just like if you're a pro athlete

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Speaker 3: and you you don't get to say I don't want

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Speaker 3: the attention. It doesn't work that way. You get the attention.

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Speaker 3: So how you deal with it is how it's going

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Speaker 3: to be presented. And you have every right to be

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Speaker 3: upset that he's being treated in a certain way, as

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Speaker 3: as just the other people. But this idea that it's

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Speaker 3: not going to be under the white hot spotlight. And

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Speaker 3: let's also face it, it's not like Travis Kelsey doesn't

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Speaker 3: invite that white hot spotlight whether he's with her or not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he does every commercial under the sun. He

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Speaker 3: wants all the attention, So it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking right here at pictures of fans

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Speaker 2: of Taylor Swift wearing T shirts. One T shirt reads

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Speaker 2: Karma is my tight end, Karma is the guy and

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs. And then here's a fan and she's wearing

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Speaker 2: a T shirt go Taylor's boyfriend.

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Speaker 4: I have no problem with any of that, No, no problem.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's benefiting from from all that. By

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Speaker 2: the way, have we got an answer yet is she

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Speaker 2: going to be at the parade or not? I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've got pressing issues right now, as do Taylor's Swift

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Speaker 2: and the win also actually also will absolve yours, truly,

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Speaker 2: Paul idiot face of maybe the dumbest question.

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard, Paul idiot face that.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to understand who were the other luminaries

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Speaker 2: and celebrities in the suite with Taylor. So the wife

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Speaker 2: and daughter were explaining to me who some.

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Speaker 3: Of the people were.

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Speaker 4: Very on one of them, but.

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Speaker 2: They said they said ice, spice, and I.

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Speaker 4: Said, I have a thought on that.

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Speaker 2: So wait a minute, that's not.

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Speaker 4: When we talk about that off air.

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Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately I made I wondered out loud if that

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Speaker 2: was one of the Spice girls like, and then I

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Speaker 2: did the maths. Waitman, spice girl daughter. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 2: that's yeah. She looked much older than that, and I

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Speaker 2: was told at that point, Dad, stop talking, which is

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Speaker 2: what I'll do right now. On Cardinals Underground, brought to

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