WEBVTT - Andrew Cuomo: A Conversation with the Former NY Governor 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:07.040 Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.760 Good morning, as we speak with Andrew Cormo. He was 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.960 a governor of the Empire State. He's running for mayor 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.480 here in a contested primary to get to the election 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.560 November fourth as well. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.720 I'm going to begin with my family. I'm a Kodak. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.079 Brat from western New York, and I remember it was 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.040 like in Mary Poppins when the weather vane changed their 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.320 I remember this is years ago, and a guy who 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.440 was in the Pittsburgh Pirates baseball organization. It was a 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.760 fractured New York City, a fractured Empire State, and your 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:41.600 father in the middle. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.560 Eighties pieced it together again. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.800 I give the clearest memory of Republicans and Democrats and 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.120 West Junior going, who is this guy? 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.519 How are you going to piece together a fractured New 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:54.160 York City. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.600 Yeah, it's a very good question. When my father took 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.640 over at that time, the big fracture was upstate versus downstairs. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.959 Right, you lived it, Yes, we lived it. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:10.720 And Upstate for non New York is primarily Republican leaning conservative. 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.200 New York City at that time very very liberal. So 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:19.440 that was the big divide. Now it's basically within New 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.280 York City, and it's really within the Democratic Party. I mean, 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.760 we have the Democratic Republican schism obviously in New York City, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.400 but the Republican Party is relatively small in New York City. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.640 But we are working through this. What is the future 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.600 of the Democratic Party post Trump? And that is playing 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.760 out in New York City and cities across the country. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:42.600 I'm going to give you a vignette. My Bellley was 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.640 in the garage today. I had to take hoover to 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.760 come into work. My driver's Dominican republic barely speaks English. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.120 He was so pleased to talk to me about you. 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.960 He said, I'm voting for Andrew Cromo, and this was 0:01:55.960 --> 0:02:01.080 his exact language. I am a Democrat, concernervative. I want 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.520 to go back to javits at coach all of them. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:09.680 How does the Conservative Democratic Party, that Dominican Republican driver, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.600 how does it move forward out of this primary where 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.680 the liberals the progressives have been so dominant in the verbiage. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.200 Well, this is what's interesting. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.680 I was a crazy liberal all my life, right, My 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.120 father was the father used to tell me that, Yes, yeah, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.280 I was the son of a crazy liberal and a 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:36.160 crazy liberal. But the progressives have gone so far. First 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.680 of all, I disagree with the word progressive right, like 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.880 it's a new phrase that they coined. FDR was a progressive. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.240 My father was a progressive right, so it's not a 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.400 new term. But they are so far to the left 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:57.679 that they have eclipsed what were traditionally progressive. Liberal use 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:05.040 your word ideology, and it is unrealistic and it is counterproductive. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.079 And that's what people are starting to find out, especially 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.799 in this environment. You know, post COVID, cities are going 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.200 through a crisis. Another had I was the former Hut 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:21.240 Secretary Housing in Urban Development under Clinton, and cities have 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.000 gone through transformations over time post COVID. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:26.840 This is going to be a major. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.680 Transformation for urban America. You don't have to be in 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.600 a city anymore. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.200 Right, the old days you had to be here. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.119 The old days you had to show up, and cities 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.520 took advantage of that. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:44.640 You didn't have an option. You have options. It's called mobility, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.000 it's called remote work. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:51.320 And cities now have to be more competitive economically. They 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.920 have to be competitive. You can move to a better 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:59.280 tax climate, a better weather climate, and cities are just 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.600 now working through that. Adjustment. 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.440 I believe. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.040 If you were to be elected governor a mayor of 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.720 this great city, what would be job one on day 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:10.320 one for you? 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.720 Job one problems. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.760 Job one is like three jobs. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:23.600 It's public safety, because nothing works without public safety. It's 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.360 getting the homeless mentally all off the streets, which plays 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:32.880 into public safety, equality of life. People feel the city 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:36.279 is out of control, right, there's a sense of chaos 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:37.480 when you walk down the. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:38.479 Streets, that is correct. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.320 There's a fear. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:47.479 When you descend into the subway. Now that's relatively new, right, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.960 and that has to change. Before you get to the 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.720 economics and taxes and are we chasing you out? 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:54.160 Et cetera. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.159 The first thing that chases you out is you're just 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.440 not safe here. You don't feel comfortable here. And I 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.400 think that's the first crisis. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.400 Well, then to follow on from that talking to Laura 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:09.840 Namius or lead on this, Jessica Tish gets high marks. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.800 Can you give Jessica Tish high marks in her early 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.440 months of running NYPD. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.200 Oh, she's done a very good job. She has done 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:18.800 a very good job. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.960 Who do you reappoint hers at? Or do you have 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.440 someone else? We got to make some news here. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:25.680 We're gonna have to make some news. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.320 The I am not in the I don't believe in 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.440 saying who you're going to appoint, who you're not going 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.080 to appoint, this kind of arrogant until you get the job, 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.279 I can tell you I think, uh Commissioner Tish is 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.200 doing a very good job this stability. We went through 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:46.640 a number of police commissioners. Each one brought their own 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.560 tumult and their own transformation. Jessica Tish is steady. The 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:58.640 NYPD feel steady. But the NYPD alone really is not 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.480 going to be enough to restore to people the sense 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.600 that I feel comfortable in. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:05.320 New York City. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.800 It's worth my paying the premium to live here. I 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.920 pay a premium to live in New York City, right, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.680 I'm paying high taxes, but I get X y m P. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.200 We just heard that from Charles Cant exactly right. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.120 You mentioned the subway here, the MTA. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:23.680 I don't know. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.160 I've been riding this subway for thirty five years. Every 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.719 day I tell people the only thing that's changed in 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.719 thirty five years the cars are now air conditioned. Everything 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.240 else is the same, which is a good thing. That's 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.640 a compliment. It gets millions of people around the city 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.839 every day. However, as governor, you said the city should 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.000 pay more for the MTA. As mayor, how would you 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.040 manage the MTA, because we've got congestion pricing, We've got. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.840 A big, big shortfall there. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.400 How do we keep this subway riding safely efficiently. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:59.360 The first step on the subways is safety, quality of life. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.960 Get the homeless mentally ill off the subways. That's what 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:08.760 frightens people, not just homeless people. We've certain urban environments 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.120 have homeless people. These are homeless mentally ill people that 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:19.640 threaten individuals or their presence is threatening, and that has 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.320 to change. Now, you're right, was it as bad as 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.960 it was back in the early nineties. No, but a 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.440 lot of people weren't here in the early nineties, right, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:38.720 And if you were here, really, Bloomberg mayor Bloomberg post, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.360 this city was much safer, much cleaner, felt much different. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.720 And this is a dramatic juxtaposition to that. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.000 Andercomo over the source who welcome all of you on 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.400 Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio accrastination of course out on 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.720 YouTube Good morning, and of course on the Nation Serious 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.840 Extent Channel one twenty one, as well, we're trying to 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.400 get them to say for two hours. He's saying, yeah, 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.640 maybe I can't, but we're going to have a good 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.040 conversation here with a former governor. I want to get 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.680 this out of the way right now, and it's on 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.600 all the allegations of this, that the other, the COVID stuff, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.360 the sex stuff, and that. Let's just get it out 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.760 of the way so we can move on. The fact 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.400 is it's reported you've gone after, not going after in 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:21.200 a collegiate way. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:21.600 I'm going to. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.440 Say, you have your own litigation, your own lawsuits. These 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.920 are all distractions if you become mayor. In the floating 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.280 out there is the idea. Okay, now, Mike told me 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.080 once mayor's a twenty eight hour week job. I don't 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.719 know if that's sure or not, but let's say it's 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.280 a full commitment to be mayor. Will you push aside 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.120 all of the different things you're doing in litigation and 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.640 lawsuits to focus solely on being mayor. Do you postpone 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.319 them or just say enough that part is over, that 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:53.160 past is over. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.760 Yeah, look in these jobs when I was a governor, 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:01.400 saying this for mayor, if you don't get sued five 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.400 times a day, you're not doing your job, you know. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:06.880 So you have to be very. 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:13.479 Good at taking compartmentalizing, to use a word, but handing 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:18.040 off pieces that are not currently relevant. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:20.560 And that has to be done no matter what. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.800 We saw some very disturbing images coming out of the 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.440 city of Los Angeles over the weekend. How do you 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.720 view kind of I guess, just kind of how we 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.400 deal with immigrants, how we deal with the policing of 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.000 our cities vis a vis the federal government sending in troops. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.720 When you look at the images this week of Los Angeles, 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.560 how did you project that upon New York City? 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:43.360 Ha. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:52.600 This gets into President Trump's strategy, I believe, and look, 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.920 first of all, on the immigration issue, he's very clear 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.640 in his campaign he believes it's an issue that works 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.360 for him. During the campaign, he said he was going 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:08.600 to deport criminals, dangerous criminals, dangerous criminals, and everybody support said, yes, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.800 support dangerous criminals. Of course, now we're deporting seven year 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.319 olds and we're disrupting families. And by the way, we're 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.360 deporting people who shouldn't be deported. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:19.760 So that's a change. 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:25.280 But this issue works for the president politically. The President 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.200 is also very good, and I worked with the president 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:34.840 in the first Trump administration, worked with euphemism. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:36.200 We had a lot of. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:43.120 Controversy, but this is a different tempo for him. Wayne 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.320 Gretzky skate to where the puck is going to be, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.160 not where it was. The Democrats have to adjust. They 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:56.240 are skating to where the puck was. This immigration issue, 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:02.320 in some ways is a distraction from what Trump is 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.080 really doing with cities, which is cutting the budget in 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.200 a way that is so dramatic that you might really 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.720 cause major difficulties for urban areas. 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.080 Kevin Cromo pro tip. 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.920 When you're going to talk a hockey you're in a 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.400 mayoral race, you pick Genre Tell or someone like that 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.680 with the New York Rangers. You don't go with Gretzky 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.360 Andrew Cromo with us here as we look at this 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.240 mayle race. Okay, Robert Kuttner, no friend of yours, writing 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.680 an American Prospect. He says to Cuomo, peak too soon. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.800 You've got the tensions of the primary. If you take 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.920 the primary, the tensions of a general election with different 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.960 independent candidates, and that is the present mayor in the 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.480 back pocket of the president of the United States. And 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.599 if we get LA, as Paul mentions, here, can you 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.400 imagine this? I mean, I'll let you pick the geography, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:58.440 Governor Cromo, but the present mayor of New York, can 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:03.480 he protect the citizens of this city given the relationship 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.360 with the president, after what we've seen in LA. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:12.880 Short answer, no, And let's remember how extraordinary these issues. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:17.360 What's happening in LA. This is the exact reverse of 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:22.720 what normally happens. Normally, it's the local government that makes 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.960 the decision on how to handle an emergency and calls 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.960 on the federal government. So a mayor, a governor would 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.520 call on the federal government say I need help, Please 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:37.840 send a National Guard, or please send an additional federal help. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.920 I don't believe there's been a time where the president 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.959 has sent in federal troops. You'd have to go back 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:52.000 to like the sixties and President Johnson and Wallace, Right, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.840 that's how far you have to go back. So this 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.480 is Trump being Trump. This is Trump on this sensue 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.840 of immigration. I'm muscled, it's law and order. These cities, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:10.719 these democrats, they're filled with illegals, and I'm gonna come in, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.720 and I'm gonna come in hot and heavy. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:13.520 Uh. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.800 He started in LA. It will happen in New York. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:18.960 It will happen. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.160 He knows the formula, right, it happened in New Jersey. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:24.800 Is this formula to go after you? 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.559 I mean this is his formula is to create chaos 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.640 in the cities, and he is the voice of law 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.840 and order. And you know cities, all those Democrats, that's 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:42.800 where all those illegal immigrants are. And he's going to 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.560 come in and he's going to clean up. The flip 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.760 side is okay, create chaos in LA, create chaos in 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.920 New York, create chaos in Chicago. Pretty soon you create 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.679 chaos in the nation. And that's bad for the economy. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.920 So what it's the biggest chance n for you in 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.960 this primary race here and then potentially in the general election. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.920 What do you have to get. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.480 Across in a Democratic primary? And you now have the 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:17.440 tension between post Trump, what directions does the Democratic Party go? 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.000 And some people believe we lost to Trump because we 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:28.000 didn't go left enough. So I have a democratic socialist. Really, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.440 there's no such thing as a democratic socialist. It's just 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.160 a socialist. They use democratic as a modifier because socialist. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:40.720 There's a shocking but it's a socialist who says, dismantle 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.320 the police. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.240 The police state is oppressive. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:53.200 Everything free, free, transportation, free everything, Tax the rich, so 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.680 there's class warfare in there. We'll tax the one percent. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.600 The one percent should pay because they're rich and fat 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.440 and they made money on the rest of us, and 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:05.960 everything is let's migrate there. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.040 The Financial Times there, that's summary article this week, and 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.160 Andrew Cromo, where the folks, and we welcome all of 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.160 you on Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio worldwide and of 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.920 course here in the Tri State area Bloomberg eleven three 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.760 to zero across the five boroughs. The ft lined up 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.920 the halves who are supporting you. You're the guy a 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.760 choice and he answers. Some of them really are behind 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.920 Andrew Croomo, and others are betting this guy might win, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.200 so we better get behind with him. 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:33.440 How do you say, take. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.360 The landlords and they gave you X number of million. 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.920 I would say that's like almost normal politics. But then 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.880 how do you protect tenants and renters in a city 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.800 of horrific housing economics? 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.760 Yeah? Well, first, if you. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.480 Are going to be in elected. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:56.280 Office, you cannot be influenced by who gives you money, right, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.720 that's rule number one. That's I think to a journalist, well, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.280 look at who's taking advertising in your newspaper and write 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.280 favorable things about the advertisers. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.640 Then you're not a journalist. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.360 It's unethical if you and I've been in an elected 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.880 office many times. I've raised hundreds of millions of dollars. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.560 It can't matter who gives you money. Now to the 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.960 extent people are supporting me who are institutional interests because 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.080 institutional interests need a city that works, right. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:30.720 They want a city with the future. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:36.080 What they're afraid of is you elect a socialist who 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:41.600 tries to give everything away free, doubles the taxes on 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.520 the wealthy, and the wealthy say that's it. I'm gone. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.040 By the way, we lost five hundred thousand people since 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.720 COVID to begin with. You're now going to double taxes, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.520 and people will say, I'm going to Florida, I'm going 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:02.000 to Texas, etc. It's not worth the premium, especially since 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.680 the quality of life has deteriorated and I'm afraid to 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.520 get on the subways. So why would I pay the 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.800 premium to live here when I'm not getting the benefit 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.480 of living here? I'll go to Texas, I'll go to Florida. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:18.760 I'll come back a few times a year. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:19.800 I'll see you play. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.440 I can hire a private jet with the tax savings. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:27.960 That's what we have to worry. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.520 About, governor, speaking of Trump's relationship with city mayor's President, 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:36.200 Trump's Justice Department is investigating you or allegations you lied 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.400 to Congress about COVID. You said that that's politically motivated. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.560 But how afraid of you are the possibility of getting indicted, 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.560 perhaps even arrested by the Trump administration. That's got to 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:46.160 be on the table. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.160 Yeah, I know this is a joke, but this investigation 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.399 is a joke. But there's no doubt that Donald Trump 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.160 uses the Department of Justice and the justice system as 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.159 one of the tools in the political arsenal. When I 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.160 was governor, the governor the first When I was governor 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.919 and dealt with Trump in the first administration, he investigated 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.600 me twice with the Department of Justice. That sort of 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:15.600 like is his left jab. Just keep throwing it out there. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.080 I want to go back here. I want to get 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:21.240 back to the primary the election. At Hanne Lauri is saying, Okay, 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.240 all this big picture stuff is great, you got to 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.879 win the primary, you got to get onto the election. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.280 How about nineteen seventy seven, folks, this is New York 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.080 City in the five boroughs. Bella Absick took Manhattan, a 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.280 Beam took Brooklyn, but Dio took the Bronx. A guy 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.400 named Cuomo took Queens and Staten Island, and Ed Koch won. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.679 That's how nuts New York City is. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.520 Which geography right now is most critical for you in 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.359 the five boroughs for you to take this primary. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.359 Yeah, it's interesting it. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.879 Back in nineteen seventy seven, the borough were more homogeneous 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:06.320 and sort of class oriented. That has changed over time. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:16.760 The basic division is you have younger, more activist, more progressive, 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:22.879 if you will, voters who identify as socialists. They will 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.560 say I am socialist, I say tax the rich, I 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:33.880 say everything should be free. Palestine factors in there. And 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:39.080 that's one demographic. And then you have a second demographic, 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:46.480 which is a little bit older, more mainstream, if you will, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.280 and that's the democrat demographic that I appeal to. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:52.000 You brought up. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.200 Palestine, Let's go there right now. There's a unique relationship 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.000 of this city with the Israel. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:58.040 Everyone knows this. 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:03.000 We see nationwide, a new form, a new debate over 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.199 anti Semitism. 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:05.280 I think of Earth eleven. 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.680 My household happened to worship his father a million years ago. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.919 Explain to me your relationship with Israel as mayor of 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:16.800 New York City. 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.960 How will that be distinctive given the horror that we 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.120 see in the levant. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:27.399 Well, it's a great question, and it is unique to 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.800 New York. I believe if you grow up in New 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.400 York the way I have, the Jewish community is such 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.240 an integral part of New York. Right, New York is 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.679 not New York without the Jewish community. Jewish community started 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.639 coming to New York in sixteen fifty, one hundred years 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.320 before the other immigration groups, and they have been in 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:55.280 major institutions, So you grow up with the Jewish community. 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:57.520 I have two brothers in law who were Jewish, my 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.920 son in law is Jewish. It's that close a connection. 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:07.080 And I've been one hundred percent supportive of Israel. My 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:13.080 father was before me. I've done numerous trips to Israel. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.399 I was very aggressive supporting Israel. This was the first 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:24.080 state to go against boycott, discriminate, disinvestment, and sanctions for Israel. 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.480 So it is a very pro Israel state. 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:28.560 Paul, get one in here. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.439 Please, Governor No One presumably arguably takes the air out 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.760 of the room more than President Trump. He just demands 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:36.760 the media attention. 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:39.920 In a way we've never seen before. Are you surprised 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.919 that the Democratic Party no One has stepped up, no 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:46.879 voice has emerged to at least counter some of the 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.159 policies and some of the arguments coming out of the 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:50.640 Trump administration. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:52.920 And would you relish that role at some point? 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.679 Well, I'll go back to the Wayne Gretzki quote that 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:57.760 I wasn't supposed to use a. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.800 Stranger in New York. 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:03.800 Marks. 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.480 First, the Democrats have to get the cadence of the game. 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.479 They are coming up a day late, right. I don't 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:20.360 believe this. I believe this uh immigration, uh and Los Angeles, 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.119 and it's going to get worse, and it's going to 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:26.359 be New York. I believe this works politically for Donald Trump. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:33.800 I also believe it masks the budget debate, which is 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:39.199 really the consequential debate for urban America short term. And 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.320 he's onto a new topic now, and the Democrats wind 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.760 up a day late. Because if you're arguing about the 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.679 budget today, you're missing Los Angeles and New Jersey and 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:50.840 the immigration debate. 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:52.480 We're going to wrap up here in a moment here 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.360 for Bloomberg Television, of Bloomberg Radio. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:58.960 Andrewcomo with Politico. There was a mayor from Chicago who 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:00.359 can be a little spice. 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:04.000 You name Emmanuel He's out this weekend, and Ramas all 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:08.119 wound up about the week in the Democratic Party brand, 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.840 and I would say he was basically, he is mayor 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.880 of Chicago, and potentially you as mayor of New York. 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.880 The one's fighting the fight to get the Democratic Party 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.520 to get some backbone. Does that lead to a presidential 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.080 effort in twenty twenty eight? I mean, is a Democratic 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.479 Party going to shift back to that centrist tendency that 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.600 we talked about in nineteen eighty five? 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:31.600 Centrist? 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.159 Forget the trying to define political at the ideology I 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.600 worked with ram and the Clinton administration. It's sort of 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:40.919