1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Good morning, as we speak with Andrew Cormo. He was 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: a governor of the Empire State. He's running for mayor 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: here in a contested primary to get to the election 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: November fourth as well. 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to begin with my family. I'm a Kodak. 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: Brat from western New York, and I remember it was 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: like in Mary Poppins when the weather vane changed their 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: I remember this is years ago, and a guy who 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: was in the Pittsburgh Pirates baseball organization. It was a 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: fractured New York City, a fractured Empire State, and your 12 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: father in the middle. 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 3: Eighties pieced it together again. 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: I give the clearest memory of Republicans and Democrats and 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: West Junior going, who is this guy? 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: How are you going to piece together a fractured New 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: York City. 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very good question. When my father took 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: over at that time, the big fracture was upstate versus downstairs. 20 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 4: Right, you lived it, Yes, we lived it. 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: And Upstate for non New York is primarily Republican leaning conservative. 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: New York City at that time very very liberal. So 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: that was the big divide. Now it's basically within New 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: York City, and it's really within the Democratic Party. I mean, 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: we have the Democratic Republican schism obviously in New York City, 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: but the Republican Party is relatively small in New York City. 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: But we are working through this. What is the future 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party post Trump? And that is playing 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: out in New York City and cities across the country. 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a vignette. My Bellley was 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: in the garage today. I had to take hoover to 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: come into work. My driver's Dominican republic barely speaks English. 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: He was so pleased to talk to me about you. 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: He said, I'm voting for Andrew Cromo, and this was 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: his exact language. I am a Democrat, concernervative. I want 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: to go back to javits at coach all of them. 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: How does the Conservative Democratic Party, that Dominican Republican driver, 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: how does it move forward out of this primary where 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: the liberals the progressives have been so dominant in the verbiage. 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: Well, this is what's interesting. 41 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: I was a crazy liberal all my life, right, My 42 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: father was the father used to tell me that, Yes, yeah, 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: I was the son of a crazy liberal and a 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: crazy liberal. But the progressives have gone so far. First 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: of all, I disagree with the word progressive right, like 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: it's a new phrase that they coined. FDR was a progressive. 47 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: My father was a progressive right, so it's not a 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: new term. But they are so far to the left 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: that they have eclipsed what were traditionally progressive. Liberal use 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: your word ideology, and it is unrealistic and it is counterproductive. 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: And that's what people are starting to find out, especially 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: in this environment. You know, post COVID, cities are going 53 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: through a crisis. Another had I was the former Hut 54 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: Secretary Housing in Urban Development under Clinton, and cities have 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: gone through transformations over time post COVID. 56 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 4: This is going to be a major. 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: Transformation for urban America. You don't have to be in 58 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: a city anymore. 59 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: Right, the old days you had to be here. 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: The old days you had to show up, and cities 61 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: took advantage of that. 62 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: You didn't have an option. You have options. It's called mobility, 63 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: it's called remote work. 64 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: And cities now have to be more competitive economically. They 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: have to be competitive. You can move to a better 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: tax climate, a better weather climate, and cities are just 67 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: now working through that. Adjustment. 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 4: I believe. 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: If you were to be elected governor a mayor of 70 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 5: this great city, what would be job one on day 71 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 5: one for you? 72 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: Job one problems. 73 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: Job one is like three jobs. 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: It's public safety, because nothing works without public safety. It's 75 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: getting the homeless mentally all off the streets, which plays 76 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: into public safety, equality of life. People feel the city 77 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: is out of control, right, there's a sense of chaos 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: when you walk down the. 79 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 3: Streets, that is correct. 80 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: There's a fear. 81 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: When you descend into the subway. Now that's relatively new, right, 82 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: and that has to change. Before you get to the 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: economics and taxes and are we chasing you out? 84 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: Et cetera. 85 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: The first thing that chases you out is you're just 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: not safe here. You don't feel comfortable here. And I 87 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: think that's the first crisis. 88 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: Well, then to follow on from that talking to Laura 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: Namius or lead on this, Jessica Tish gets high marks. 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: Can you give Jessica Tish high marks in her early 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: months of running NYPD. 92 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: Oh, she's done a very good job. She has done 93 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: a very good job. 94 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: Who do you reappoint hers at? Or do you have 95 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: someone else? We got to make some news here. 96 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: We're gonna have to make some news. 97 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: The I am not in the I don't believe in 98 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: saying who you're going to appoint, who you're not going 99 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: to appoint, this kind of arrogant until you get the job, 100 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: I can tell you I think, uh Commissioner Tish is 101 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: doing a very good job this stability. We went through 102 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: a number of police commissioners. Each one brought their own 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: tumult and their own transformation. Jessica Tish is steady. The 104 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: NYPD feel steady. But the NYPD alone really is not 105 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: going to be enough to restore to people the sense 106 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: that I feel comfortable in. 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 4: New York City. 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: It's worth my paying the premium to live here. I 109 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: pay a premium to live in New York City, right, 110 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm paying high taxes, but I get X y m P. 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: We just heard that from Charles Cant exactly right. 112 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 5: You mentioned the subway here, the MTA. 113 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 114 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 5: I've been riding this subway for thirty five years. Every 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 5: day I tell people the only thing that's changed in 116 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 5: thirty five years the cars are now air conditioned. Everything 117 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 5: else is the same, which is a good thing. That's 118 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 5: a compliment. It gets millions of people around the city 119 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 5: every day. However, as governor, you said the city should 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 5: pay more for the MTA. As mayor, how would you 121 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 5: manage the MTA, because we've got congestion pricing, We've got. 122 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 4: A big, big shortfall there. 123 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 5: How do we keep this subway riding safely efficiently. 124 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: The first step on the subways is safety, quality of life. 125 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Get the homeless mentally ill off the subways. That's what 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: frightens people, not just homeless people. We've certain urban environments 127 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: have homeless people. These are homeless mentally ill people that 128 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: threaten individuals or their presence is threatening, and that has 129 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: to change. Now, you're right, was it as bad as 130 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: it was back in the early nineties. No, but a 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: lot of people weren't here in the early nineties, right, 132 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: And if you were here, really, Bloomberg mayor Bloomberg post, 133 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: this city was much safer, much cleaner, felt much different. 134 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: And this is a dramatic juxtaposition to that. 135 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: Andercomo over the source who welcome all of you on 136 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio accrastination of course out on 137 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 2: YouTube Good morning, and of course on the Nation Serious 138 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: Extent Channel one twenty one, as well, we're trying to 139 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: get them to say for two hours. He's saying, yeah, 140 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: maybe I can't, but we're going to have a good 141 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: conversation here with a former governor. I want to get 142 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: this out of the way right now, and it's on 143 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: all the allegations of this, that the other, the COVID stuff, 144 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: the sex stuff, and that. Let's just get it out 145 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: of the way so we can move on. The fact 146 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: is it's reported you've gone after, not going after in 147 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: a collegiate way. 148 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: I'm going to. 149 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: Say, you have your own litigation, your own lawsuits. These 150 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: are all distractions if you become mayor. In the floating 151 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: out there is the idea. Okay, now, Mike told me 152 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: once mayor's a twenty eight hour week job. I don't 153 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: know if that's sure or not, but let's say it's 154 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: a full commitment to be mayor. Will you push aside 155 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: all of the different things you're doing in litigation and 156 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: lawsuits to focus solely on being mayor. Do you postpone 157 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 2: them or just say enough that part is over, that 158 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: past is over. 159 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, look in these jobs when I was a governor, 160 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: saying this for mayor, if you don't get sued five 161 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: times a day, you're not doing your job, you know. 162 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: So you have to be very. 163 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:13,479 Speaker 1: Good at taking compartmentalizing, to use a word, but handing 164 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: off pieces that are not currently relevant. 165 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 4: And that has to be done no matter what. 166 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 5: We saw some very disturbing images coming out of the 167 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 5: city of Los Angeles over the weekend. How do you 168 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 5: view kind of I guess, just kind of how we 169 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 5: deal with immigrants, how we deal with the policing of 170 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 5: our cities vis a vis the federal government sending in troops. 171 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: When you look at the images this week of Los Angeles, 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 5: how did you project that upon New York City? 173 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: Ha. 174 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: This gets into President Trump's strategy, I believe, and look, 175 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: first of all, on the immigration issue, he's very clear 176 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: in his campaign he believes it's an issue that works 177 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: for him. During the campaign, he said he was going 178 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: to deport criminals, dangerous criminals, dangerous criminals, and everybody support said, yes, 179 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: support dangerous criminals. Of course, now we're deporting seven year 180 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: olds and we're disrupting families. And by the way, we're 181 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: deporting people who shouldn't be deported. 182 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: So that's a change. 183 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: But this issue works for the president politically. The President 184 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: is also very good, and I worked with the president 185 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: in the first Trump administration, worked with euphemism. 186 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 4: We had a lot of. 187 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: Controversy, but this is a different tempo for him. Wayne 188 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: Gretzky skate to where the puck is going to be, 189 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: not where it was. The Democrats have to adjust. They 190 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: are skating to where the puck was. This immigration issue, 191 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: in some ways is a distraction from what Trump is 192 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: really doing with cities, which is cutting the budget in 193 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: a way that is so dramatic that you might really 194 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: cause major difficulties for urban areas. 195 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: Kevin Cromo pro tip. 196 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: When you're going to talk a hockey you're in a 197 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: mayoral race, you pick Genre Tell or someone like that 198 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: with the New York Rangers. You don't go with Gretzky 199 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo with us here as we look at this 200 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: mayle race. Okay, Robert Kuttner, no friend of yours, writing 201 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: an American Prospect. He says to Cuomo, peak too soon. 202 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: You've got the tensions of the primary. If you take 203 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: the primary, the tensions of a general election with different 204 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: independent candidates, and that is the present mayor in the 205 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: back pocket of the president of the United States. And 206 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 2: if we get LA, as Paul mentions, here, can you 207 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: imagine this? I mean, I'll let you pick the geography, 208 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: Governor Cromo, but the present mayor of New York, can 209 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: he protect the citizens of this city given the relationship 210 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: with the president, after what we've seen in LA. 211 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: Short answer, no, And let's remember how extraordinary these issues. 212 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: What's happening in LA. This is the exact reverse of 213 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: what normally happens. Normally, it's the local government that makes 214 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: the decision on how to handle an emergency and calls 215 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: on the federal government. So a mayor, a governor would 216 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: call on the federal government say I need help, Please 217 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: send a National Guard, or please send an additional federal help. 218 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe there's been a time where the president 219 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: has sent in federal troops. You'd have to go back 220 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: to like the sixties and President Johnson and Wallace, Right, 221 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: that's how far you have to go back. So this 222 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: is Trump being Trump. This is Trump on this sensue 223 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: of immigration. I'm muscled, it's law and order. These cities, 224 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: these democrats, they're filled with illegals, and I'm gonna come in, 225 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna come in hot and heavy. 226 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: Uh. 227 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: He started in LA. It will happen in New York. 228 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: It will happen. 229 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: He knows the formula, right, it happened in New Jersey. 230 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: Is this formula to go after you? 231 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: I mean this is his formula is to create chaos 232 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: in the cities, and he is the voice of law 233 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: and order. And you know cities, all those Democrats, that's 234 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: where all those illegal immigrants are. And he's going to 235 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: come in and he's going to clean up. The flip 236 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: side is okay, create chaos in LA, create chaos in 237 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: New York, create chaos in Chicago. Pretty soon you create 238 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: chaos in the nation. And that's bad for the economy. 239 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: So what it's the biggest chance n for you in 240 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 5: this primary race here and then potentially in the general election. 241 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: What do you have to get. 242 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Across in a Democratic primary? And you now have the 243 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: tension between post Trump, what directions does the Democratic Party go? 244 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: And some people believe we lost to Trump because we 245 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: didn't go left enough. So I have a democratic socialist. Really, 246 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a democratic socialist. It's just 247 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: a socialist. They use democratic as a modifier because socialist. 248 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: There's a shocking but it's a socialist who says, dismantle 249 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: the police. 250 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: The police state is oppressive. 251 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: Everything free, free, transportation, free everything, Tax the rich, so 252 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: there's class warfare in there. We'll tax the one percent. 253 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: The one percent should pay because they're rich and fat 254 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: and they made money on the rest of us, and 255 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: everything is let's migrate there. 256 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: The Financial Times there, that's summary article this week, and 257 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: Andrew Cromo, where the folks, and we welcome all of 258 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: you on Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio worldwide and of 259 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: course here in the Tri State area Bloomberg eleven three 260 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: to zero across the five boroughs. The ft lined up 261 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: the halves who are supporting you. You're the guy a 262 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: choice and he answers. Some of them really are behind 263 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: Andrew Croomo, and others are betting this guy might win, 264 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: so we better get behind with him. 265 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: How do you say, take. 266 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: The landlords and they gave you X number of million. 267 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: I would say that's like almost normal politics. But then 268 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: how do you protect tenants and renters in a city 269 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: of horrific housing economics? 270 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, first, if you. 271 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: Are going to be in elected. 272 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: Office, you cannot be influenced by who gives you money, right, 273 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: that's rule number one. That's I think to a journalist, well, 274 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: look at who's taking advertising in your newspaper and write 275 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: favorable things about the advertisers. 276 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: Then you're not a journalist. 277 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: It's unethical if you and I've been in an elected 278 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: office many times. I've raised hundreds of millions of dollars. 279 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: It can't matter who gives you money. Now to the 280 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: extent people are supporting me who are institutional interests because 281 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: institutional interests need a city that works, right. 282 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: They want a city with the future. 283 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: What they're afraid of is you elect a socialist who 284 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: tries to give everything away free, doubles the taxes on 285 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: the wealthy, and the wealthy say that's it. I'm gone. 286 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: By the way, we lost five hundred thousand people since 287 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: COVID to begin with. You're now going to double taxes, 288 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: and people will say, I'm going to Florida, I'm going 289 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: to Texas, etc. It's not worth the premium, especially since 290 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: the quality of life has deteriorated and I'm afraid to 291 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: get on the subways. So why would I pay the 292 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: premium to live here when I'm not getting the benefit 293 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: of living here? I'll go to Texas, I'll go to Florida. 294 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: I'll come back a few times a year. 295 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: I'll see you play. 296 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: I can hire a private jet with the tax savings. 297 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: That's what we have to worry. 298 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 5: About, governor, speaking of Trump's relationship with city mayor's President, 299 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 5: Trump's Justice Department is investigating you or allegations you lied 300 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 5: to Congress about COVID. You said that that's politically motivated. 301 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 5: But how afraid of you are the possibility of getting indicted, 302 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 5: perhaps even arrested by the Trump administration. That's got to 303 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 5: be on the table. 304 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know this is a joke, but this investigation 305 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: is a joke. But there's no doubt that Donald Trump 306 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: uses the Department of Justice and the justice system as 307 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: one of the tools in the political arsenal. When I 308 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: was governor, the governor the first When I was governor 309 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: and dealt with Trump in the first administration, he investigated 310 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: me twice with the Department of Justice. That sort of 311 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: like is his left jab. Just keep throwing it out there. 312 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: I want to go back here. I want to get 313 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: back to the primary the election. At Hanne Lauri is saying, Okay, 314 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: all this big picture stuff is great, you got to 315 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: win the primary, you got to get onto the election. 316 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: How about nineteen seventy seven, folks, this is New York 317 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: City in the five boroughs. Bella Absick took Manhattan, a 318 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: Beam took Brooklyn, but Dio took the Bronx. A guy 319 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: named Cuomo took Queens and Staten Island, and Ed Koch won. 320 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 3: That's how nuts New York City is. 321 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: Which geography right now is most critical for you in 322 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: the five boroughs for you to take this primary. 323 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting it. 324 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: Back in nineteen seventy seven, the borough were more homogeneous 325 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: and sort of class oriented. That has changed over time. 326 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: The basic division is you have younger, more activist, more progressive, 327 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: if you will, voters who identify as socialists. They will 328 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: say I am socialist, I say tax the rich, I 329 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: say everything should be free. Palestine factors in there. And 330 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: that's one demographic. And then you have a second demographic, 331 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: which is a little bit older, more mainstream, if you will, 332 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: and that's the democrat demographic that I appeal to. 333 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: You brought up. 334 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: Palestine, Let's go there right now. There's a unique relationship 335 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 2: of this city with the Israel. 336 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: Everyone knows this. 337 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: We see nationwide, a new form, a new debate over 338 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 2: anti Semitism. 339 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: I think of Earth eleven. 340 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: My household happened to worship his father a million years ago. 341 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: Explain to me your relationship with Israel as mayor of 342 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: New York City. 343 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: How will that be distinctive given the horror that we 344 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: see in the levant. 345 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: Well, it's a great question, and it is unique to 346 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: New York. I believe if you grow up in New 347 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: York the way I have, the Jewish community is such 348 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: an integral part of New York. Right, New York is 349 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: not New York without the Jewish community. Jewish community started 350 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: coming to New York in sixteen fifty, one hundred years 351 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: before the other immigration groups, and they have been in 352 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: major institutions, So you grow up with the Jewish community. 353 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: I have two brothers in law who were Jewish, my 354 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: son in law is Jewish. It's that close a connection. 355 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: And I've been one hundred percent supportive of Israel. My 356 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: father was before me. I've done numerous trips to Israel. 357 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: I was very aggressive supporting Israel. This was the first 358 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: state to go against boycott, discriminate, disinvestment, and sanctions for Israel. 359 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: So it is a very pro Israel state. 360 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: Paul, get one in here. 361 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 5: Please, Governor No One presumably arguably takes the air out 362 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 5: of the room more than President Trump. He just demands 363 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: the media attention. 364 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 6: In a way we've never seen before. Are you surprised 365 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 6: that the Democratic Party no One has stepped up, no 366 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 6: voice has emerged to at least counter some of the 367 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 6: policies and some of the arguments coming out of the 368 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 6: Trump administration. 369 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 3: And would you relish that role at some point? 370 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: Well, I'll go back to the Wayne Gretzki quote that 371 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to use a. 372 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: Stranger in New York. 373 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 3: Marks. 374 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: First, the Democrats have to get the cadence of the game. 375 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 1: They are coming up a day late, right. I don't 376 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: believe this. I believe this uh immigration, uh and Los Angeles, 377 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: and it's going to get worse, and it's going to 378 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: be New York. I believe this works politically for Donald Trump. 379 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: I also believe it masks the budget debate, which is 380 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: really the consequential debate for urban America short term. And 381 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: he's onto a new topic now, and the Democrats wind 382 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: up a day late. Because if you're arguing about the 383 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: budget today, you're missing Los Angeles and New Jersey and 384 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: the immigration debate. 385 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: We're going to wrap up here in a moment here 386 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: for Bloomberg Television, of Bloomberg Radio. 387 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 3: Andrewcomo with Politico. There was a mayor from Chicago who 388 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: can be a little spice. 389 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: You name Emmanuel He's out this weekend, and Ramas all 390 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: wound up about the week in the Democratic Party brand, 391 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: and I would say he was basically, he is mayor 392 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: of Chicago, and potentially you as mayor of New York. 393 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: The one's fighting the fight to get the Democratic Party 394 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: to get some backbone. Does that lead to a presidential 395 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: effort in twenty twenty eight? I mean, is a Democratic 396 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 2: Party going to shift back to that centrist tendency that 397 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: we talked about in nineteen eighty five? 398 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 4: Centrist? 399 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: Forget the trying to define political at the ideology I 400 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: worked with ram and the Clinton administration. It's sort of 401 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: practical and common sense. 402 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: Right. 403 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: The Democrats lost to Trump? Why did we lose to Trump? 404 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: I don't believe Trump won. I believe the Democrats lost. 405 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: I believe what happened is the Democrats became disconnected from 406 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: their people. They became disconnected from the kitchen table issues. 407 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: Talk to me about my more, talk to me about 408 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: my job, talk to me about the economy, talk to 409 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: me about public safety. I don't want to hear about 410 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: these esoteric issues right now when I'm worried about my 411 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: life today. 412 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 3: And do something for me. You're the Democratic Party. 413 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: The Democratic Party fundamentally believes in the functionality of government, 414 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: and you haven't functioned. Show me something that you did 415 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: for me that made a difference in my life. Joe Biden, 416 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: you were president. What did you do that I can see, feel, 417 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: or touch. That's where the Democrats belove Paul. 418 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: This is so important. 419 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: I want to get back to some of the basic 420 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: stuff Paul was talking about. I mean, day one, the 421 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: congestion text, day one, bike lanes. 422 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: Day one, nobody can afford to live in the city. 423 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: What's the day Paul as this earlier, what's your day 424 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: one mandate to those kitchen table Democrats, independents and disaffected Republicans. 425 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: What they're saying first is make me say I'm afraid 426 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: to take the subways and I haven't felt that way 427 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: in fifteen years. Make me safe, and that is public safety, 428 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: that's mentally homeless, etc. Blending into quality of life. That's 429 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: job one. And then affordability. I need to be able 430 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: to pay the rent. 431 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: I got forty five seconds because of all the fancy 432 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: stuff here in the Bloomberg News organization. Your father stopped 433 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: America with a convention speech. 434 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: Are you going to be at a convention running for 435 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 3: president in the future. I'm running for mayor and that's enough. 436 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: Andrew Clmo, thank you so much, greatly appreciate it.