1 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: And welcome in yet again Late Kick on the air. 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: It is now Thursday night. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: It is July sixteenth, the year of our Lord, twenty twenty. 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: Is it jam packed? 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: We don't do shows that aren't jam packed, so yes, 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: it is. Among the things that we will discuss this evening. 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: We are going to continue that little mood Tracker series 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: that you guys have really latched onto. Comments have been 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: out of this world, plentiful and mostly kind, and we're 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: going to do the mood Tracker for the ACC tonight. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about a little issue concerning 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: eligibility and particularly a high profile quarterback transferring to Georgia 13 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: getting that eligibility, and with that, we will revisit what 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: we were told from some albeit just a few, but 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: so some of our Georgia fans when the news about JT. 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: Daniels transferring first went down. You guys, remember that it 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: was only about a month or two ago. It seems 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: like a year. I don't know how long it was ago, 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: fairly recently. So we're going to discuss that the most 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: hostile environments that we've ever witnessed in person. This was 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: a question that was submitted for the Late Kick Extra podcast, 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, this has got to get some 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: airtime on Late Kick Live, so we're going to do that. 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: And also I think I took actually two questions from 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: the Late Kick Extra batch of questions, and there was 26 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: another one about comparing some programs, and it was namely 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: Texas and Michigan, where do you think they stand right now? 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: Which would you invest in? Which would you rather believe 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: in or be a fan of? Over the next three 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: to five years, we're going to do all that. If 31 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: you haven't already, please subscribe to the twenty four seven 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: Sports YouTube channel, which you're watching right now, and if 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: you're merely listening, you're doing it via podcast and likely 34 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: have already subscribed. If you haven't, please subscribe and leave 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: us a five star review. Thank you so much. We 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: have had those pouring in so from us to use. Sincerely, 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: thank you. So let's get it started tonight, and let's 38 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: begin with our ACC mood Tracker. We've done this for 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: the SEC, We've done it for the Big ten, so 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: now we're going to do it for the ACC. 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Eventually, we're trying to. 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: Work our way across the entire country, and all we're 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: doing to give you a very brief update on the concept. 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: All we're doing is we're cutting off the fringe ten 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: percent on either side, the pessimists and the eternal optimists, 46 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: and we're taking the middle eighty percent, and we're finding 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: out what the majority of these fan bases are thinking 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: and feeling, what mood are they in about their respective programs. 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: And with that in mind, let's go and let's start 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: word else in the ACC. 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: We'll start at the top with Clemson. This one. 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of like when we did Ohio State the 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: other day. This one's not really all that difficult. They're 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: in king of the World mode. That's where they are. 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: They are by ten miles the class of their conference. 56 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: They much like I described Ohio State as being, view 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: themselves as being on an entirely different train. 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: They've already, like I said, gotten to the station. 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: They've departed one train, it's the ACC train, and they've 60 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: gotten themselves on the national train. And yeah, they play 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: all of you every year, but really they don't view 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: themselves as being among you, for lack of a better term, 63 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: They almost think of themselves as an independent. 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: And I can understand why. 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: If you're honest with yourself, you can understand why there's 66 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: been very little competition in conference for them, But there 67 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: has been competition. They just got it from Ohio State 68 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: or they've got it from Alabama. That's where the competition 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: comes from. When we're talking about Clemson versus fill in 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: the blank on the recruiting trail, that's where the challengers 71 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: in all likelihood are coming from. You can throw Georgia 72 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: in there, LSU in there, and so that's where Clemson 73 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: fans view themselves right now. And the only thing I'm 74 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: thinking about with them is I remember when we were 75 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: out in Santa Clara for the title game they played 76 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: against Alabama a couple of years ago, it'll be three 77 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: years ago this coming year, and that was when Lawrence 78 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: was a true freshman, and you know, we're standing on 79 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: the field there and it's a snoozer in the second 80 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: half for everyone but Clemson fans obviously, but you know 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: it's a blowout game and a true freshman is just 82 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: shredded Nick Saban's defense, and the talk is, obviously, I mean, 83 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: how many more championships can he win? They have him 84 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: two more years and so last year they were a 85 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: good team, but they got beat in the National championship game. 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: So this is his third year, final year of eligibility, well, 87 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: final year he will be playing college football in ninety 88 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: nine percent likelihood. So you just kind of wonder, like, 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: if they don't win a national championship this year, you 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: look back and you certainly wouldn't call it a failed 91 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: career by any stretch, but you'll look back kind of 92 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: like you did with Tua at Alabama. He comes off 93 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: the bench, wins the title as freshman year, they didn't 94 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: win a national championship again under him. Just that's the 95 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: way the sport works. So with Trevor Lawrence, I mean, 96 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: what if the only title they won with him was 97 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: when he was a true freshman. It's not crazy, that's 98 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: not crazy to suggest, just a little something to think 99 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: about there. But until further notice, King of the World. 100 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: That is the mood for Clemson fans. How about Florida State? 101 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: Florida State, The mood there is just hoping and praying 102 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: that this is the right fit. 103 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: This, of course being Mike Norvel. 104 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of questioning about whether 105 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: Norvell knows what he's doing. I don't know if there's 106 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: a lot of questioning his football documen. No one inside 107 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: the game or even around that program questions his offense. 108 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: And this is an offense that has been exceptional if 109 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: you watch him at Memphis at leveraging talent at the 110 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: running back position, the wide receiver position. So all of 111 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: that sounds great, Like you plug that into Florida State. 112 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Sounds like a perfect fit. I don't think that's what 113 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: Florida State fans are worried about. 114 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: Florida State fans are hoping and praying that he is 115 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: a cultural fit, that the mentality of the locker room 116 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: jives and synergizes with who he is and who his 117 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: staff is. 118 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: And if they do, you know, if he is a 119 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: fit there, which. 120 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: Remains to be seen because he's brand new, But if 121 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: he is a fit there and if that culture starts 122 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: to reflect his mentality, and that's what you hope for, 123 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: that synergy you hope for that, then all systems go 124 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: in Tallahassee. But it's just it's a wait and see. 125 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: And you know, we know we have talent this year, 126 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: we don't necessarily know what to expect because while we 127 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: have that talent, we've got an entirely new staff coming in. 128 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: They lose Spring so whether twenty twenty ends up being 129 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: a proper sample size for what we can expect in 130 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: the future from Norvel and FSU, I don't know that 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: really that answer either, but I do know that if 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: he is that fit, and Florida State fans thinking the 133 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: same way, If he is that fit, then finally we 134 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: don't wonder anymore whether we're doing it right Monday through Friday. 135 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: We don't wonder if our schemes match up. 136 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: We don't wonder if our culture and if our philosophies 137 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: match up. None of that's a question anymore. And now 138 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: it's just a matter of building the roster. So once 139 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: you get all that stuff out of the way, then 140 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: there's certainly hope for the future because you've checked a 141 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: lot of the preliminary boxes you need to check. 142 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: Let's head down to Coral Gables. How about Miami. Miami. 143 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: I wrote down our fault in our time, our fault 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: meaning a lot of the wounds of the program have 145 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: been self inflicted. Not talking necessarily about fans, but I'm 146 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: talking about whether it be hiring the wrong folks, making 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: the wrong decisions. What you can go down the list 148 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: of what stunts of program's growth but whatever has happened 149 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: in the past, let's just own it. And then let's 150 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: also say it's our time. There were some bold moves 151 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: made after the first year of Manny Diaz. He is 152 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: entering his second year here as head coach, and yet 153 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: there have already been some moves made. He brings in 154 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: Rhet Lashly as his new offensive coordinator, and that's got 155 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: a lot of people excited down there, and for that matter, 156 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: a lot of people are still excited about Manny Diaz. 157 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: I remember this time last year talking about what opportunity 158 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: he had even as a brand new coach. 159 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, if they even if they. 160 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: Had a good showing against Florida in Week zero, in 161 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: that neutral site game against Florida last year, their schedule 162 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: set up very well for them to make some noise 163 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: even in year one ended up not happening. Well, now 164 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: we're in year two. The change was made it offensive coordinator. 165 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: And the other glaring weakness they had last year was 166 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: week the week you had no clue what was happened 167 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: in the quarterback position. So now you've got a high 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: profile transfer in there by the name of Derrick King. 169 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: And if we've answered offensive coordinator and if we've answered quarterback, 170 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: then let's see how things play out this year. We're 171 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: gonna roll some dice. Let's see how it plays out 172 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: this year. If we struck gold with either one of 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: these moves or you know, perfect case, both of these moves, 174 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: then we'll see Miami football look like something different. And really, 175 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: I wrote in all caps, give South Florida kids a 176 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: reason to believe they want to stay home. Kids in Homestead, 177 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 2: Florida don't really necessarily grow up wanting to go play 178 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: in Clemson or Columbus or Tuscaloosa. But if you're not 179 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: giving them a reason to stay home, they got to 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 2: make a business decision. 181 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: Give them a reason. 182 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: You don't have to you don't have to overwhelm them, 183 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 2: just to be close, get in the same ballpark, all 184 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: for the same opportunities that the big boys can offer. 185 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: That's where we got to get if we're Miami. So 186 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: the mood right now, our fault in the past, our 187 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: time in the future. Let's go to North Carolina. North 188 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: Carolina is in kick it in mode. That's the mood. 189 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: Kick it in. 190 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: And basically, if I'm sitting around, let's just be honest 191 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: amongst ourselves for a second. If I'm sitting around and 192 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: I'm a North Carolina a lum, if I'm just a fan, 193 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: I'm a supporter of the program, I'm looking around and 194 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying, judging by the history of this sport, Miami 195 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: should be dominating Florida State should be dominating Clemson should 196 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: be pretty darn good. Instead, what we have here, Virginia 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: Tech should be at our near the top of the 198 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: conference every year. But instead, what we have here is 199 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: we have a situation where Clemson is fulfilling their end 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: of the bargain, but yet no one else is. And 201 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 2: these people have messed around, and they've let us get 202 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: the right head coach in here, and they've let us 203 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: get a dynamic and dynamite coaching staff in here, and 204 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: now we're killing it in recruiting. And we've got quarterback 205 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: figured out in the present with Howell, and we got 206 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: quarterback figured out hopefully in the future with Drake May 207 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: and so so many of these dominoes are falling, so 208 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: many of these tumblers are falling into place, that let's 209 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: kick it in. If no one else is going to 210 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: do it, will be the ones to challenge Clemson. Hey 211 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: By the way we almost beat them last year. So 212 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: if no one else is going to kick it in, 213 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: let's kick it in ourselves. And lastly, with Virginia Tech, 214 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: Virginia Tech fans have to be sitting around thinking why 215 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: not us? Why aren't we the ones? Why aren't we 216 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: the ones that are in full out ascension mode like 217 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: North Carolina is? Right now, what in the world do 218 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: we lack? Well, I'll tell you most notably, what I 219 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: have observed them lack, and what I think most Hoky 220 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: fans would agree with is the identity on offense that 221 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: you hope you'd have at this point under justin fline, 222 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: don't necessarily know that they possess that. And now you 223 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: can pound that with looking at the personnel defensively and 224 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: making a change at DC. But looking at the personnel 225 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: defensively and wondering, do we have the roster right now 226 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: to field a unit that plays the kind of football 227 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: on that side that we have grown accustomed to seeing 228 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: over the last couple of decades, that's. 229 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: A big question mark. 230 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: Cohesion to me with that program has been a big 231 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: question mark just because of the turnstiles not stopping. You 232 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: have guys coming in, guys leaving, coming in leaving. So 233 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: you want some cohesion, and you want a discernible identity 234 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: enough to where if I live in Atlanta or Dallas 235 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: or la or Seattle or Minneapolis, and I'm a college 236 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: football fan and you say Virginia Tech football, first thing 237 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: that comes to mind, something should come to mind. Right now, 238 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: all that comes to mind is enter Sandman and Beamer 239 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: ball and Frank Biemer hasn't been the head coach there 240 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: in quite a while. 241 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: So what does that tell you? 242 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: What that tells you is nationally the places you have 243 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 2: to recruit to be Frank, there aren't really many people 244 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: who have a clear vision of what. 245 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech is. That's got to change. 246 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: Why not them? Why not us? Being the mood there? 247 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: I can't answer that question for you. I know at 248 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: the moment it's not. And as we all hope, because 249 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: I hope for as much competition in any conference as possible, 250 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: it changes in the future. So that is your acc 251 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: mood tracker for the twenty twenty football season. Now, we 252 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: had a good question when I was doing the Late 253 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: Kick Extra podcast, And for those unfamiliar, the Late Kick 254 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 2: Extra podcast is the Spillover. It's the reservoirs where all 255 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: of your questions go that we can't get to on 256 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: the actual show, and. 257 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: We release it every Wednesday. Tony does a. 258 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: Great job with that and gets it out pretty quickly 259 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: because I do that thing late Tuesday night. 260 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: And it's really fun, really free flowing. 261 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: But sometimes I'll come across questions like this one, and 262 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: I'll say, I could answer that on the podcast, but 263 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: why don't I just take that over to our next show? 264 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: And so Chris and Rod both submitted a version of 265 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: the same question, and the question was essentially, what are 266 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: either the best or the most hostile environments college football 267 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: environments that you have ever personally witnessed? Caveat really the 268 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: one and only caveat here. I haven't been to every stadium. 269 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: I haven't covered games in every stadium, so there are 270 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: going to be some venues. For example, Penn State white Out. 271 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: Never been able to witness it, never been able to 272 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: experience it. I can definitively tell you had I experienced it, 273 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: that would what would be on the list. As far 274 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: as I can tell on TV, looks like it would 275 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: be on the list. But let me tell you just 276 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: from what I personally have either been in the crowd 277 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: or on the field to witness by a significant margin. 278 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: Alabama going to LSU is the craziest scene that I've 279 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: experienced in college football. And I've done it several times now. 280 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: I've been down there several times. It's like you have 281 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: walked onto a different planet. The passion, the intensity, which 282 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: doesn't border on rabbid, it well exceeds what you would 283 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: call rabbid. People just frothing at the mouth, the palpable 284 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: energy of hatred and venom. It's really a beautiful thing 285 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: if they're not directing it at you. But let me 286 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: tell you what stands out the most. I remember the 287 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: first time that I went down there for a Bama 288 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: LSU game. It was a night game, and I will 289 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: never forget walking from the media parking lot just through 290 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: the tailgates and walking into the stadium. I had a 291 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: young lady with me at the time who worked at 292 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: the station, and there was nothing that happened to us. 293 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: But that's the whole point. No one needed to do anything. 294 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: It just felt so unsafe. This is certainly a compliment. 295 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: I've said this many times. LSU folks who watched the show, 296 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: they've heard me say this before. 297 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,119 Speaker 1: It made you feel so uneasy. 298 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,239 Speaker 2: And we were in neutral colors, we were wearing station polos, 299 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: so we were in no real danger, but you were 300 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: so uncomfortable. I did not feel safe, really, and it 301 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: wasn't me. I was worried about her. You understand how 302 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: it is, but you didn't really feel safe until you 303 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: got through the media gate and into that empty stadium. 304 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking to myself, off, if that's what I 305 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: felt like, and none of these people care about me. 306 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: If that's what I felt like, what do rival fans 307 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: feel like? What does the rival team feel like? And 308 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: I was there when Bama's bus is pulled in, rocking 309 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: back and forth. Oh some of you, some of you 310 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: need to atone for some of the things I heard 311 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: come out of your mouth that day. By the way, 312 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: but oh my goodness, when they took the field for 313 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: the first time defensively and you're standing at field level 314 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: and you hear that place get full throat loud for 315 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: the first time, it's like standing I can imagine it's 316 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: like standing on a tarmac at Hartsfield International Airport where 317 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: jets are all around you, but you don't get to 318 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: wear those earmuffs that the guys who drive the little buggies. 319 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: Around get to wear. 320 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: I was standing next to someone I could have yelled 321 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: as loud as I wanted to at that person. That's 322 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: all they would have seen. That sounded like great radio 323 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: or a podcast for those of you listening to the 324 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: audio version. So Alabama at LSU hostility like you would 325 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: not believe. I'll tell you another place probably underrated from 326 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: a national perspective, they get their proper credit regionally, and 327 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: that's Auburn. And I want to talk specifically about Georgia 328 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: at Auburn. 329 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: Let's say twenty seventeen, but you can pick a number 330 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: of games. 331 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: You could pick the Iron Bowl from this same year, 332 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: that happened two weeks later, but I was at both 333 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: of those games. This is I don't know how to 334 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: describe it to you. A lot of people down here 335 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: haven't figured it out, but everyone will swear to you 336 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: there's something that happens, not every year, but there's something 337 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: that happens around Auburn football in these certain years. 338 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: Usually it's the. 339 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: Odd number years where Georgia and Bama both have to 340 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: go in there if they start to build some kind 341 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: of momentum. Twenty thirteen is a good example. Twenty seventeen 342 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: was a great example. If they start to build some 343 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: kind of momentum, it almost seems like there's this sort 344 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: of voodoo. Can't describe it any other way. But here's 345 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: bad side. When Auburn fans realize it, they latch onto it. 346 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, you remember how that season went. Thirteen You 347 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: have the tip pass, said the prayer Jordan Hair, and 348 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: then a couple weeks later the kick six. Those things 349 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: are multi generational occurrences that happened within the same three 350 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: week spam okay, and then you fast forward to twenty seventeen. 351 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: Number one Georgia comes in there, blowout. Number one Alabama 352 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: comes in there, taken down this a month after everyone 353 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: wanted Maleson fired, And there's this feeling like I've never 354 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: experienced in any other venue. 355 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: Including LSU. 356 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: Like I told you, I was there for Alabama at LSU. 357 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: It's the most hostile place I've ever witnessed. But Alabama 358 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 2: won the game. Alabama's won every game that I've attended 359 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: down there. These teams are coming into Jorden Hair Stadium, 360 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: and I swear to you, you can't quantify it. It 361 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: just feels like the actual venue has an effect on 362 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: the final score. 363 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: Don't know what that means, don't know how to describe it. 364 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 2: It's like if you ever think that you saw a 365 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: ghost and you try and explain it to people like 366 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: me who don't believe in ghosts, how do you explain it? 367 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: You know what you believe, you know what you think 368 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: you saw. Just like I think I know a lot 369 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: of things I've witnessed happened at Jorden Hare Stadium, like 370 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen or twenty thirteen against Georgia against Alabama. 371 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: I don't think those things would happen if they played 372 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: those games in a sandlot. But yet they don't play 373 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: them in a sandlot. They played them there, and it's 374 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: just crazy, crazy stuff. You look to your left and 375 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: look to your right, and like everyone's just kind of 376 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: shaking their head and smiling, and it's like this understood 377 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: joke of there it goes again, jhs, there it goes again. Now, 378 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: let me give you one from very recent history. This 379 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: is last year, same two teams we talked about a 380 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: second ago. Let's just change the venue. LSU at Alabama. 381 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: There's a funny thing about Alabama too Bryant Denny Stadium. 382 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: Bryant Denny Stadium has a little bit different reputation. You 383 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: think about Bryant Denny Stadium, if you've been there in 384 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: the last maybe five four or five years, and you've 385 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: been to these other venues like I have, you probably think, oh, 386 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: that place, it's not que is loud, it's not quite 387 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: as intimidating as some of these other venues. And most 388 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: of the time you're right. It's not because it's not 389 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: as big. They got one hundred thousand in there. It's 390 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: not because those folks aren't as passionate, but they keep 391 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: winning and they've been winning for a long time. And really, 392 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: you don't get to hear a stadium truly at full 393 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: throat unless they're angry or unless they're threatened. So it 394 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: stands the reason Alabama home games do not really include 395 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: a stadium full. 396 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: Of folks who feel threatened. 397 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: Very often, with the exception of last year LSU at Alabama, 398 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: they felt threatened. Whether they want to do admitted or not. 399 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: They felt threatened even going into the game. So last 400 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: year we were on the field for this one too. 401 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: Last year Bryant Denny Stadium sounded about as intense and 402 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: had about as loud a sustained roar for four quarters 403 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: as I've heard up there in a long time. They've 404 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 2: had some games against Tennessee that have been kind of 405 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: weird because they've been favored, but they've had some games 406 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: against Tennessee that rivaled it. But this was a true 407 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: big game atmosphere. And boy, I mean, even though they 408 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: were down, that was the other weird thing. They were 409 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: down pretty much the entire game, well, the entire game. 410 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: That was an incredible, incredible atmosphere. 411 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: Think about this. 412 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: I had a buddy that was able to go to 413 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 2: the game with me, and that was the first one 414 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: he had ever been to up there, Which is really 415 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: funny because I mean, I can't tell you how many 416 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: I've been too up there at all these venues. Really, 417 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: I'm very fortunate to be able to say that, But 418 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 2: I mean that being your first impression of any place, 419 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: that place, or any place. He still talks about it 420 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 2: to this day for that reason and some other reasons 421 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: that I can't talk about. Statute of limitations on the 422 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: second part there and the other one, Colin, I don't 423 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: even know if I told you this one, but the 424 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: other one was Clemson at FSU. Just run through this 425 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: one real quick. This was twenty sixteen. It's the only 426 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: time I've ever been able to go to Dolte Campbell Stadium. 427 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: This was when Deshaun Watson was They were on their 428 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: way to winning the national championship that year, and there 429 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: were a lot of folks who were them that year 430 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: of you know, we see them, but we think they 431 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 2: may be a paper tiger. They haven't been tested on 432 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: the road yet, and so they went on the road. 433 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: Very competitive game. I think it was a field goal final. 434 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: But that's the time that I've been able to go 435 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: to a Florida State game and really see that place 436 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: as close to vintage Dolt Campbell Stadium as I would 437 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: have ever been able to experience. And they do a 438 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: great job at giving zero comfort factor to the road team, 439 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: which is common in college football. But it just there 440 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: aren't a lot of frills. There aren't a lot of 441 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: bells and whistles. It's not, like I've said before, it's 442 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 2: not this sparkling, immaculate, brand new facility. It's a place 443 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 2: that's got a little age on it, and it's not 444 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: all that easy to get into, and you know, the 445 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: corridors are very narrow, especially for the visiting team. 446 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: That's great. 447 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 2: I love that because that is part of what true 448 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: home field advantage is. So those, to me are the 449 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: most hostile environments I've been in. Now, I don't do 450 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 2: these calls to action all the time, but on this 451 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: particular video, or if you're watching the entire show, I'll 452 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: be very interested to look in the comment section because 453 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: a lot of you have been to a lot of 454 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: different places, and I want to know some of the 455 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: most hostile environments you remember. Give me the stadium, give 456 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: me the game, and then I'll try and see if 457 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: I remember how it went. 458 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: JT. Daniels is eligible. What do you know? JT. 459 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: Daniels announces he's transferring from Southern cal transfers to Georgia. 460 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: A couple of months later thereabouts, he is ruled eligible. 461 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: And so this broke earlier in the week. So let's 462 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 2: just kind of unfold this for a second, because several 463 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: of you have had several different takeaways, and I understand 464 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: all of them. There were some of you who looked 465 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: at this headline and said, how in the world did 466 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: he get eligibility when so and so is still waiting. 467 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: My answer is I have no idea, nor in all 468 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: likelihood do the people responsible for granting the eligibilit You 469 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: remember that episode of South Park where they just had 470 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: the idea manatees and there's just this tank full of 471 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 2: manatees and you know, they pushed a little ball up 472 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: and like that's what they went with. I think they 473 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: have an eligibility manatee tank in Indianapolis with the powers 474 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: that be who decide these sorts of things, and I 475 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: think that there was just a friendly manatee that pushed JT. 476 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: Daniel's ball up to the top of the tank, and 477 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: so they opened it up. Voila, You're eligible. At least 478 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: that's what I've been told off the record. So you 479 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: have that takeaway and then you have the okay, well, 480 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: at this point, shouldn't all transfers be allowed to happen. 481 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: This is what Bud Elliot and I were talking about 482 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: earlier this week, and I told him. He said, what's 483 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: your take on that? I said, hypocritical? He said, what 484 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: do you mean. I said, well, I mean, on one hand, 485 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: I understand what the point here is. If these aren't employees, 486 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: and if these are just student athletes, then they should 487 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: be free to move about the country any way that 488 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: they see fit. At the same time, I don't like 489 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: messing with the fabric of college football. So how do 490 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 2: I square those What's easy? 491 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: I don't. 492 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: It's just a hypocritical viewpoint I have. We all have 493 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: hypocrisy somewhere in our lives. That's where mine is. So 494 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: I don't make a big fuss about this stuff one 495 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: way or the other. That's my point. So Daniels or Newman, 496 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: J T. Daniels now eligible. We got Jamie Newman, who 497 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: was thought to be entrenched as the starter. I saw 498 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: a lot of you flip your opinion on this. 499 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. 500 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: Jamie Newman is still the dude I'm riding with. He's 501 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: still the horse I'm gonna hook my card up to. 502 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: I saw some odds put out, and I mean they 503 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: were very competitive if you want to side with either 504 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: one of them. I saw a lot of juice behind J. T. Daniels. 505 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: Here's what I can gather from the Georgia side of things. 506 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: I have not heard anyone tell me that J. T. 507 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 2: Daniels possesses all the intangibles necessary to be the starting 508 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 2: quarterback at the University of Georgia over Jamie Newman. I 509 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: haven't had anyone tell me that. That doesn't make it untrue. 510 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: I just haven't heard it. I have heard several reputable 511 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 2: people around Georgia talk about the leadership and intangible qualities 512 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: of Jamie Newman. That's what sticks in my mind. Like, 513 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 2: I don't think he lacks for talent. I know a 514 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: lot of people DM me and whatnot and email me 515 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: and say you need to go watch his Wake Forest film. 516 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: That's the point, guys, it's the Wake Forest film. 517 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: So I also know a lot of folks who grade 518 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: the position for a living, who would tell you Jamie 519 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: Newman is one of the most underrated next level talents 520 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 2: that you'll have in college football this year. There are 521 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: folks who would tell you if he went out for 522 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: the draft last year, a number of franchises could have 523 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: talked themselves into taking him early second round. 524 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: You can have people tell you. 525 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: That who do it for a living, who grade the 526 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: quarterback position for a living. So at the very least, 527 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: we're not dealing with just a random tomato can with 528 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: arms and legs. This is a very good quarterback, and 529 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: you've got to be better than very good in order 530 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: to overtake him. I personally don't think that's going to happen. However, 531 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: what I wanted to do is take you back just 532 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: a second to the reaction that we talked about on 533 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: late kick at the time of transfer, when it was 534 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: Daniels to Georgia. We had some Georgia fans that actually 535 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: have the following take. Oh, I don't know if this 536 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: is a smart move by Kirby, smart pun intended. I 537 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: don't know that this is the right way. What message 538 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: does this send to Jamie Newman. Well, let me be 539 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 2: clear as I was that night. The message to Jamie 540 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: Newman is, we're trying to put people on this roster 541 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: capable of taking your job, which isn't your job yet 542 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: because you haven't played a snap for us. But even 543 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 2: if you are the perceived starting quarterback, it's no different 544 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: than we treat outside linebacker or safety. We're trying to 545 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: recruit over you the second you get here. That's not 546 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: unique to Georgia. They do it at Bama, they do 547 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: it at Clemson, they do it at Oklahoma. 548 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: That's competition. 549 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 2: That's stacking a roster as deep as you possibly can. 550 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: It is also why you will never hear me say 551 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: quarterback controversy on this show. It is not controversial to 552 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: have multiple talented option at the quarterback position. The only 553 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: controversy is when you don't have any, and that's not 554 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: the situation at Georgia right now. 555 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: Some places out. 556 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 2: There this year are going to choose between a bunch 557 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 2: of average to below average options. At Georgia, you just 558 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: gave yourself the opportunity to choose between at least two 559 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: very good to elite options. Potentially you got another five 560 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: star in the pipeline coming in and brought Vandergriff. Carson 561 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: Beck's on campus right now. And that leads me to 562 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: the final question that I've been asked by my Georgia buddies. 563 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: Here's the quote. 564 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: Colin had a buddy today text me and say, okay, 565 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: but what if Brock, Vandergriff, or Carson Beck decided to transfer? 566 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: What if they do? Let me go ahead and spoil 567 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: the ending for you. Not all these quarterbacks are going 568 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 2: to remain on Georgia's roster. Some of them are going 569 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: to transfer. I'm not telling you it's a possibility. I'm 570 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: telling you it is an inevitability. And so what you 571 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: do to that is, you either think about it and say, 572 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, we're screwed. 573 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: Our quarterbacks are transferring, or. 574 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: You can use a bit of common sense and think 575 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: to yourself, well, if X is recruited, or if player 576 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: X is transferring, or if player why is transferring, it 577 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: probably means player Z beat them out and we have 578 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: got a solid, entrenched starter at quarterback and probably un 579 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: entrenched solid too deep, and they're looking for greener pastures, 580 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: and what are we gonna do with that. We're gonna 581 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: just recruit like we always have, and we're gonna try 582 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: and fill their spots and continue to fill the spots 583 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: that are filled by. 584 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: Guys who take their spots. That's how this works. 585 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: The other concern that I don't know why it's a concern, 586 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 2: But the other concern that I had that I'm gonna 587 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: address more Sunday night was another one of my Georgia buddies. 588 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: Believe it or not, it's all the same person. It's 589 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: not all the same person. Another one of my Georgia 590 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: buddies said, remember Justin Fields. I said, yeah, I remember, 591 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: And what about him? 592 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: Said? 593 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: Well, you remember how that went? We started the wrong 594 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 2: guy and we paid the price, as you can tell. 595 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: That's why I'm pushing that to Sunday night. Having said that, 596 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: let me just wet the appetite a little bit, Forday Night. 597 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: Even if you did make the wrong decision, even by you, 598 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: I mean Kirby, even if Kirby Smart did choose the 599 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: wrong starter, even if he did let the right guy 600 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: get away. Do you let one bad decision just impair 601 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: your decision making for the rest of eternity? 602 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: Is that what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to say, Okay, 603 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: we've got the. 604 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: Opportunity to have two good quarterbacks, but last time we 605 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: had two good ones, I chose the wrong one. So 606 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: instead of getting as many options as possible on this roster, 607 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: let's just go with one and see what happens. 608 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: No, No, you. 609 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: Run your program that way, you're going to be sitting 610 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: in section three twenty eight paying for a ticket in 611 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: the not too distant future. Really really good, really good 612 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 2: stuff we got coming up Sunday night, though, So before 613 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: we wrap it up, I wanted to get to Kyle's question, 614 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: and this was another one that we had in the 615 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: late kick inbox. He said, if you had to choose today, 616 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: which program's future. You're more optimistic about which would it 617 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: be Texas or Michigan. I lean slightly Texas, ever so slightly, 618 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: and I could probably make a very solid argument for 619 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: both sides here. So I'd love to wait a year, Kyle, 620 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: that's really my answer. I'd love to be able to 621 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: wait a year. But that's not how you phrased the question. 622 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 2: So with Michigan, if I were to make the counterpoint, 623 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: if I were to go with the Michigan side, I 624 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: feel things are moving in the right direction. I could 625 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: easily convince myself that Jim Harbaugh has already made the 626 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: right move. We've spoken about it many times on this show. 627 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: Josh Gattis being offensive coordinator offense, started to light it 628 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: up a little bit second half of last year, got 629 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy in the pipeline as a future five star quarterback. 630 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: But that's twenty twenty one. That's when he gets here. 631 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: So until then, what are we looking at with Texas? 632 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: There are several pivot points that we're looking at. We're 633 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: looking at Chris ash coming in as DC, We're looking 634 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: at yours. It's coming in as OC. But we didn't 635 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: have a spring. We had no time for installs. To 636 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: what degree we were going to install new concepts, I 637 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: don't know, But having said that, you could see very 638 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: easily why either. 639 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: Texas or Michigan either one way I go. 640 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: I'd really love to wait this thing through until twenty 641 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: twenty one, strictly because of geography. If I'm close in 642 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: comparing programs strictly because of geography, I'll choose the one 643 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: that's closer to the most talent. Texas doesn't have to 644 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: leave home to recruit talent. Michigan has to leave home 645 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: to recruit a lot of talent. There's more. Like I 646 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 2: said when I was making the Texas point, they're just 647 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: more potential flash points. What I mean by that is, 648 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 2: if Chris ash ends up becoming the best defensive coordinator 649 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: in college football, that's a really big deal. That could 650 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: be what precipitates several double digit win seasons for Texas. 651 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: If your if the offensive changes that they've made end 652 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: up precipitating a chain of events wherein they become a 653 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: top five or top ten offense, If they end up 654 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: mirroring in a lot of ways what Oklahoma's doing in 655 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: the Big Twelve, well, then all of a sudden that 656 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: could be the impetus for them going on in extended 657 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: run of success in double digit win seasons with Michigan, 658 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: it feels a lot like it's gaddus or bust. 659 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: Hey. 660 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: That's fine if it pays off, But if it doesn't 661 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: pay off, are we really going to hit the proverbial 662 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: reset button up there again? So I would just rather invest, 663 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: at least invest my attention. 664 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: If I have to toss it one way or the. 665 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: Other, invest in the Texas side, because at least with 666 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: the Texas side, there were more chances taken recently and 667 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: I could see one go right. But as you can tell, 668 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm not very convicted on that answer. So Kyle, see 669 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: me again this time a year from now. 670 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Really good show tonight. 671 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: If you haven't already again, subscribe to the twenty four 672 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: to seven Sports YouTube channel. We will be back here 673 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: at the same time Sunday night, eight eastern, seventh Central. 674 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: So for director Colin, for Aaron, for TONI I'm Josh Bait. 675 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: Have a great night, have a great rest of your week, 676 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 2: and God bless